WEBVTT 00:00:16.239 --> 00:00:20.300 Hey there, everybody. Welcome out season four 00:00:20.300 --> 00:00:22.679 of Redeemed Through His Blood. Scott Durfey here 00:00:22.679 --> 00:00:26.500 joined by the beautiful Debra Durfey. Say hi, 00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:29.899 Deb. Hello, friends. It's good to have you here, 00:00:30.039 --> 00:00:34.179 babe. Here we are, season four. This is episode 00:00:34.179 --> 00:00:36.840 one of season four. Deb and I are super excited 00:00:36.840 --> 00:00:38.939 about the transition happening here and being 00:00:38.939 --> 00:00:42.500 able to do this together. We wish Dave and Chris 00:00:42.500 --> 00:00:45.500 the best of luck on their mission as they depart 00:00:45.500 --> 00:00:50.500 soon for Sydney, Australia. Deb, I'm actually 00:00:50.500 --> 00:00:52.700 super excited. I've loved doing this with David, 00:00:52.740 --> 00:00:55.659 but I'm super excited. You and I have done a 00:00:55.659 --> 00:01:00.119 lot of wonderful things, not completely unlike 00:01:00.119 --> 00:01:03.100 what we're going to do here as part of this podcast, 00:01:03.100 --> 00:01:05.640 but this is a totally different medium for us 00:01:05.640 --> 00:01:09.920 to do what we do. So I'm going to have you, Deb, 00:01:09.959 --> 00:01:12.120 if you don't mind, just take a few minutes, introduce 00:01:12.120 --> 00:01:15.599 yourself, but and tell us a little bit about 00:01:15.599 --> 00:01:18.840 you, why it is that you want to do a podcast 00:01:18.840 --> 00:01:21.019 like this. I know you don't, but why you are 00:01:21.019 --> 00:01:24.560 doing a podcast like this and stuff like that. 00:01:24.560 --> 00:01:27.700 But before you do, I just want everybody to know 00:01:27.700 --> 00:01:32.780 that Deb's my best friend. We have been very 00:01:32.780 --> 00:01:36.659 close ever since we met and have been best friends 00:01:36.659 --> 00:01:40.840 for Most of that time, I'm happy and super excited 00:01:40.840 --> 00:01:43.200 to call her. I would hope all of that time, not 00:01:43.200 --> 00:01:45.980 most of the time. Well, I just met, you know, 00:01:46.079 --> 00:01:49.379 it grew, we grew into it more and more, but Deb's 00:01:49.379 --> 00:01:52.400 my counselor, she's my cheerleader, she's my 00:01:52.400 --> 00:01:55.260 best friend, eternal companion, and everything 00:01:55.260 --> 00:01:58.760 else that I could think of that would be a positive 00:01:58.760 --> 00:02:01.040 descriptor, babe. Take it away, just tell us 00:02:01.040 --> 00:02:02.599 a little bit about you and whatever you want. 00:02:02.739 --> 00:02:07.140 That's very nice of you. So I grew up in Mapleton, 00:02:07.239 --> 00:02:10.840 Utah, little farm town. I was the sixth of nine 00:02:10.840 --> 00:02:15.699 children. I have six brothers, so I didn't do 00:02:15.699 --> 00:02:17.340 a lot of girl things growing up. I did a lot 00:02:17.340 --> 00:02:24.719 of boy things. But Scott and I met in 1998. I 00:02:24.719 --> 00:02:28.219 was a facilitator for the LDS substance abuse 00:02:28.219 --> 00:02:33.379 mission. It had just come to Utah County. They 00:02:33.379 --> 00:02:36.740 had asked me to facilitate. in that meeting because 00:02:36.740 --> 00:02:40.439 I was there to fix somebody else and save them 00:02:40.439 --> 00:02:44.669 from their addiction. And I remember meeting, 00:02:44.770 --> 00:02:49.310 I started in 1996, but I met Scott in, I believe, 00:02:49.509 --> 00:02:52.030 November. It was, yeah, it was November of 1998. 00:02:52.030 --> 00:02:55.810 Of 1998. And I remember when he introduced himself, 00:02:55.889 --> 00:02:57.629 and I was like, Scott Turvey, Scott Turvey, I 00:02:57.629 --> 00:03:01.310 know him. And it just sounded so familiar. Now 00:03:01.310 --> 00:03:03.669 I know why, but then I just kept thinking, I 00:03:03.669 --> 00:03:07.189 know him, I've met him somewhere. Anyways, as 00:03:07.189 --> 00:03:12.870 time goes on, and of course, I... instantly became 00:03:12.870 --> 00:03:17.009 friends with Scott and he became friends with 00:03:17.009 --> 00:03:24.050 everybody else. But four years into that, going 00:03:24.050 --> 00:03:28.289 to those meetings, we decided to blend a family 00:03:28.289 --> 00:03:34.069 in August of 2002. And it was so awesome because 00:03:34.069 --> 00:03:37.810 I first off when Scott mentioned that he was 00:03:37.810 --> 00:03:39.849 even interested in dating me at all because I 00:03:39.849 --> 00:03:42.659 was I was literally his cheerleader for dating 00:03:42.659 --> 00:03:44.960 all these awesome women and you're going to find 00:03:44.960 --> 00:03:47.199 somebody that's going to be the best wife and 00:03:47.199 --> 00:03:50.389 I remember I mean, almost thumping on his chest 00:03:50.389 --> 00:03:52.449 saying. Not almost, you were thumping me on the 00:03:52.449 --> 00:03:54.110 chest. And I was like, you're gonna find a woman 00:03:54.110 --> 00:03:56.050 that appreciates you. Anyway, that is a true 00:03:56.050 --> 00:03:58.509 story. Yeah, that was at the church in Lehigh. 00:03:58.810 --> 00:04:02.569 Anyway, and I had no clue at that time, not even 00:04:02.569 --> 00:04:05.090 a guess, that that would be me. But we got married 00:04:05.090 --> 00:04:08.990 in August 2002. My parents were on a mission 00:04:08.990 --> 00:04:13.389 in Nauvoo serving, and I remember living in my 00:04:13.389 --> 00:04:18.089 parents' basement at the time. while I was single 00:04:18.089 --> 00:04:22.389 and Calling my parents and saying I'm dating 00:04:22.389 --> 00:04:27.269 this guy and he is Like a knight in shining armor. 00:04:27.430 --> 00:04:31.889 He is like so it's I almost feel like I am Watching 00:04:31.889 --> 00:04:35.250 a Disney movie mom. I really I cannot believe 00:04:35.250 --> 00:04:37.329 I'm dating this guy. I can't believe he's so 00:04:37.329 --> 00:04:39.170 perfect He's so wonderful. He loves the church. 00:04:39.170 --> 00:04:42.290 He loves the gospel. He has four kids and I I 00:04:42.290 --> 00:04:46.339 just I was so smitten absolutely smitten. And 00:04:46.339 --> 00:04:48.259 my mom just kept saying, I know it's because 00:04:48.259 --> 00:04:50.000 we're serving a mission. I know it's because 00:04:50.000 --> 00:04:52.839 we're serving a mission that you found him. Still 00:04:52.839 --> 00:04:57.509 to this day, she says that 23 years later. I 00:04:57.509 --> 00:04:59.389 question this story every time I hear it because 00:04:59.389 --> 00:05:01.790 I can't imagine a mother being super excited 00:05:01.790 --> 00:05:06.829 about a daughter meeting her what would be unbeknownst 00:05:06.829 --> 00:05:09.430 to her at the time but what would be her future 00:05:09.430 --> 00:05:12.990 son -in -law in an addiction recovery program. 00:05:13.250 --> 00:05:16.269 You have no idea what my mother had seen previous 00:05:16.269 --> 00:05:20.990 to this. Holy moly. But thank goodness, you know, 00:05:21.149 --> 00:05:23.970 I'm grateful that Shirley was like that, and 00:05:23.970 --> 00:05:26.589 she still is. She still likes me, I think, a 00:05:26.589 --> 00:05:28.449 little bit. And for our honeymoon, we went out 00:05:28.449 --> 00:05:31.189 to Nauvoo. We did. No, no, no, no. Oh, no, we 00:05:31.189 --> 00:05:34.750 went to Education Week. Education Week. Oh, my 00:05:34.750 --> 00:05:38.009 land. What a couple of geeks. What a derpy bunch. 00:05:39.670 --> 00:05:43.129 And we had our kids go with their other parents 00:05:43.129 --> 00:05:47.670 and we had just gotten our place put together. 00:05:48.389 --> 00:05:52.389 And so we went to education week and then we 00:05:52.389 --> 00:05:55.490 hopped a plane. Yes. And then the next month 00:05:55.490 --> 00:05:58.810 we hopped on a plane and I introduced my night 00:05:58.810 --> 00:06:01.329 and show you in armor to my parents in Navu. 00:06:01.610 --> 00:06:06.279 And it was such a tender, sweet. memory for me 00:06:06.279 --> 00:06:09.079 because I remember hearing stories that my dad 00:06:09.079 --> 00:06:12.240 was telling you, Scott, in their living room, 00:06:13.019 --> 00:06:16.240 telling them, um, telling him stories I had never 00:06:16.240 --> 00:06:19.139 heard before. So obviously it was an instant 00:06:19.139 --> 00:06:22.060 connection and instant love and appreciation. 00:06:22.360 --> 00:06:26.399 And they, evidently they trusted my taste. I 00:06:26.399 --> 00:06:30.240 think they had learned, uh, through sad experience 00:06:30.240 --> 00:06:32.779 that they didn't have a choice in that. Well, 00:06:32.920 --> 00:06:36.339 they still and have always loved you, but that 00:06:36.339 --> 00:06:39.100 was a pretty magical. Anyway, we were able to 00:06:39.100 --> 00:06:42.139 go to the Nauvoo temple there and do some ceilings 00:06:42.139 --> 00:06:44.180 with my mom and dad, and that was a tender moment 00:06:44.180 --> 00:06:50.420 too. Anyway, we have, when we blended in 2002, 00:06:50.540 --> 00:06:54.740 our oldest two were 15 years old. They were actually 00:06:54.740 --> 00:06:57.319 born on the same day, same year, and they were 00:06:57.319 --> 00:07:00.560 in the same kindergarten class, which is so wild, 00:07:01.040 --> 00:07:04.579 but At 15 they weren't really big fans of each 00:07:04.579 --> 00:07:07.879 other Yeah back then we thought oh my gosh. These 00:07:07.879 --> 00:07:11.279 two are so polar opposite And as they get older, 00:07:11.519 --> 00:07:13.519 they're very much alike. They're twins. Much 00:07:13.519 --> 00:07:16.879 alike. And then the youngest two, Kirby and Bowen 00:07:16.879 --> 00:07:19.920 were seven and eight and they were best of friends. 00:07:19.939 --> 00:07:23.100 They loved getting in mud and playing and running 00:07:23.100 --> 00:07:27.000 and jumping. And it was absolutely, I was in 00:07:27.000 --> 00:07:28.560 heaven. All I ever wanted to be when I grew up 00:07:28.560 --> 00:07:30.899 was a mom. And to have four bonus kids, man, 00:07:30.899 --> 00:07:35.180 I was in heaven. So grateful. So, so, so grateful. 00:07:35.980 --> 00:07:39.459 And the family just keeps growing because since 00:07:41.649 --> 00:07:45.410 2002, we've had in -laws added and we've had 00:07:45.410 --> 00:07:49.569 17 grandkids. We just got our new, our newest 00:07:49.569 --> 00:07:52.589 grandchild last month, little Molly in March. 00:07:53.089 --> 00:07:56.470 Our oldest grandkid is Xander who will turn 13 00:07:56.470 --> 00:07:59.889 in June. So we have lots of littles. Our house 00:07:59.889 --> 00:08:03.290 is noisy, crazy, messy, chaotic, and I love every 00:08:03.290 --> 00:08:06.470 second of it. Perfect in every way, right? It's 00:08:06.470 --> 00:08:10.889 a perfect chaos. Yeah. Yeah, I do too. Well as 00:08:10.889 --> 00:08:14.589 you can see our our little love story is everything 00:08:14.589 --> 00:08:19.750 anything but Traditional I guess but but to us 00:08:19.750 --> 00:08:22.629 Deb. I think it's perfect. It is perfect One 00:08:22.629 --> 00:08:25.189 of the signs in our bedroom says it's never too 00:08:25.189 --> 00:08:27.269 late to have a happily ever after and I love 00:08:27.269 --> 00:08:29.829 that sign What does the sign in our kitchen say 00:08:29.829 --> 00:08:33.250 as far as anyone knows our family is a nice normal 00:08:33.250 --> 00:08:38.649 family? Yeah, we we have a lot of fun. This is 00:08:38.649 --> 00:08:42.850 a big family a great family We all you know kind 00:08:42.850 --> 00:08:45.289 of take different paths in this family We're 00:08:45.289 --> 00:08:48.830 not all perfectly aligned in our spiritual journey 00:08:48.830 --> 00:08:52.129 or a religious journey and We'll probably be 00:08:52.129 --> 00:08:55.230 talking a lot about that as we you know travel 00:08:55.230 --> 00:08:59.289 through this Podcast this season, but you know, 00:08:59.389 --> 00:09:01.309 I think but I think that that's okay I think 00:09:01.309 --> 00:09:03.409 that you know, Deb There's probably a lot of 00:09:03.409 --> 00:09:06.509 people in the church or not in the church people 00:09:06.509 --> 00:09:09.330 that are listening to this podcast of many different 00:09:09.330 --> 00:09:12.929 face We know that there are the that are kind 00:09:12.929 --> 00:09:17.590 of like They my family's not just normal. It's 00:09:17.590 --> 00:09:19.889 just not like everybody else's family. It doesn't 00:09:19.889 --> 00:09:23.549 fit the mold and we certainly don't Well, I think 00:09:23.549 --> 00:09:25.889 normal is just a setting on a washing machine 00:09:26.909 --> 00:09:29.309 I don't know what normalism the more I get to 00:09:29.309 --> 00:09:32.230 know other people I I just think you know what 00:09:32.230 --> 00:09:35.289 we're all in a perfect Yeah, a glorious mess. 00:09:35.289 --> 00:09:37.850 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and that's right, you know, 00:09:37.889 --> 00:09:39.970 and it's cool that we acknowledge it I think 00:09:39.970 --> 00:09:43.129 I mean is you know, whatever well, you know, 00:09:43.250 --> 00:09:45.710 thanks We'll get to know you more as we go through 00:09:45.710 --> 00:09:49.110 a couple of things that I might add Debs and 00:09:49.110 --> 00:09:52.190 I have just been having an absolute wonderful 00:09:52.190 --> 00:09:54.470 time teaching Institute for the last about five 00:09:54.470 --> 00:09:58.750 years now at BYU in a BYU stake. It's a calling. 00:09:58.929 --> 00:10:00.909 It's not a paid position or anything, but we've 00:10:00.909 --> 00:10:03.330 been doing it nonetheless. And for those of you 00:10:03.330 --> 00:10:05.129 who have been following the podcast for the last 00:10:05.129 --> 00:10:08.350 three seasons know that the course that we teach 00:10:08.350 --> 00:10:11.250 is actually a divine gift of forgiveness. It's 00:10:11.250 --> 00:10:14.549 taken after the book written by Elder Neil L. 00:10:14.629 --> 00:10:18.990 Anderson helped to do that by our former co -host 00:10:18.990 --> 00:10:24.610 here, David Durfey . But Deb has just absolutely 00:10:24.960 --> 00:10:27.960 won the hearts of college students from all over 00:10:27.960 --> 00:10:39.629 the country that come here to BYU and UVU. Tell 00:10:39.629 --> 00:10:40.769 us a little bit about that. Well, when we first 00:10:40.769 --> 00:10:43.710 got that calling, it was during COVID. And so 00:10:43.710 --> 00:10:47.350 we started on Zoom. And I remember being upstairs 00:10:47.350 --> 00:10:49.549 in my office, and you were downstairs in your 00:10:49.549 --> 00:10:52.129 office. And we would turn on the Zoom and be 00:10:52.129 --> 00:10:54.610 prepared to teach this lesson. And we'd get maybe 00:10:54.610 --> 00:10:57.990 one, maybe two kids on there. And I just thought. 00:10:58.029 --> 00:11:00.070 And when we first started, it was repentance 00:11:00.070 --> 00:11:02.950 using the atonement of Jesus Christ. Yeah, that's 00:11:02.950 --> 00:11:07.370 right. remember getting completely discouraged 00:11:07.370 --> 00:11:10.809 thinking first off it intimidated me because 00:11:10.809 --> 00:11:12.769 I'm like I didn't go to college I mean I'm not 00:11:12.769 --> 00:11:16.830 I am NOT gonna teach college kids but of course 00:11:16.830 --> 00:11:19.710 then I read my patriarchal blessing and I said 00:11:19.710 --> 00:11:22.409 my prayers and Heavenly Father said yes you're 00:11:22.409 --> 00:11:26.000 gonna do this and so I said I will go and I will 00:11:26.000 --> 00:11:29.120 do. You've got a few of those inconvenient truths 00:11:29.120 --> 00:11:32.340 in that patriarchal blessing. I know, I know. 00:11:32.600 --> 00:11:34.980 And my patriarchal blessing keeps reminding me 00:11:34.980 --> 00:11:37.919 I'm not in charge over and over and over again. 00:11:37.980 --> 00:11:41.779 I am a little bit of a control freak, but I'm 00:11:41.779 --> 00:11:44.500 learning to get out of the driver's seat and 00:11:44.500 --> 00:11:48.700 not be in charge. As soon as we went live in 00:11:48.700 --> 00:11:52.190 Institute, In person, meaning in person. Yes, 00:11:52.210 --> 00:11:55.269 sorry, not life. But in person, we started going 00:11:55.269 --> 00:11:58.649 over to the church or whatever and started teaching. 00:11:58.970 --> 00:12:01.370 I was terrified. And I even told them one of 00:12:01.370 --> 00:12:04.190 my first classes, I said, I won't be afraid of 00:12:04.190 --> 00:12:05.990 you if you won't be afraid of me, because I'm 00:12:05.990 --> 00:12:09.830 terrified. Because I was so intimidated. And 00:12:09.830 --> 00:12:12.389 it has been such a gift. And I think more than 00:12:12.389 --> 00:12:16.009 anything is reading. Call, I get emotional quick. 00:12:16.169 --> 00:12:19.549 um, reading the book, the divine gift of forgiveness. 00:12:20.850 --> 00:12:24.830 And it changed me. It literally, the stories 00:12:24.830 --> 00:12:29.129 in there, the things that they talk about, um, 00:12:29.309 --> 00:12:32.090 people's stories, the way people forgive, the 00:12:32.090 --> 00:12:34.070 way that people use the atonement in their own 00:12:34.070 --> 00:12:37.169 lives. I literally have read and listened to 00:12:37.169 --> 00:12:41.690 that book at least 12, a dozen times minimum. 00:12:42.610 --> 00:12:46.080 And mine is marked up the The book is white and 00:12:46.080 --> 00:12:49.500 mine is very handled dirty. If I could wash it, 00:12:49.500 --> 00:12:52.679 I would. But it's marked up and it's tattered. 00:12:52.679 --> 00:12:54.879 You wouldn't want to wash that. It would lose 00:12:54.879 --> 00:12:57.860 its charm. Seriously, it's beautiful. It is one 00:12:57.860 --> 00:13:01.159 of the most cherished books I own. You say it 00:13:01.159 --> 00:13:03.940 changed you. How did it change you? I think more 00:13:03.940 --> 00:13:06.419 than anything helped me understand the atonement. 00:13:06.840 --> 00:13:08.940 I read The Miracle of Forgiveness when I was 00:13:08.940 --> 00:13:12.460 younger, and that book scared me, honestly. I 00:13:12.460 --> 00:13:15.360 just thought... you know, because of my path, 00:13:15.399 --> 00:13:18.480 because of things that I had done, I, I felt 00:13:18.480 --> 00:13:21.200 like I was too far gone. And even though I had 00:13:21.200 --> 00:13:24.000 gone through the repentance process with so many 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:28.019 things, I just kept thinking, but, but you, if 00:13:28.019 --> 00:13:30.539 you just knew this part and it's almost like 00:13:30.539 --> 00:13:32.759 I had to dig up more dirt to just prove that 00:13:32.759 --> 00:13:36.980 I wasn't worthy of, of that. And it was, I think 00:13:36.980 --> 00:13:39.460 when I read the divine gift of forgiveness and 00:13:39.460 --> 00:13:45.309 it, it helped me realize I'm not that special. 00:13:46.289 --> 00:13:49.309 Just like the rest of us. I'm not that you are 00:13:49.309 --> 00:13:51.730 subject to the effects of the fall of Adam and 00:13:51.730 --> 00:13:55.809 Eve, just like the rest of us. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 00:13:56.230 --> 00:13:59.769 Well, again, we get to know you more and more 00:13:59.769 --> 00:14:02.669 as we go through. For those of us who know you, 00:14:02.669 --> 00:14:05.850 we love you. And for those of you who don't quite 00:14:05.850 --> 00:14:08.809 yet, you'll love her, too. You probably already 00:14:08.809 --> 00:14:11.860 do just sitting here listening to this. Deb's 00:14:11.860 --> 00:14:15.000 got quite a story encourage you to go back. We'll 00:14:15.000 --> 00:14:19.759 be talking about it throughout the podcast But 00:14:19.759 --> 00:14:23.000 but I'm gonna I'll tell you what I will actually 00:14:23.000 --> 00:14:26.120 Provide a link to an interview that David and 00:14:26.120 --> 00:14:29.059 did with David and I did with Deb a couple of 00:14:29.059 --> 00:14:32.019 years ago And it goes through her complete story. 00:14:32.019 --> 00:14:35.480 Oh, it is not complete. Okay her story I know 00:14:35.480 --> 00:14:38.360 I know as soon as I said that I knew I was I 00:14:38.360 --> 00:14:41.049 was speaking in error, but But it goes through 00:14:41.049 --> 00:14:44.350 a lot of what she just referred to about, I just 00:14:44.350 --> 00:14:46.169 didn't feel like I could do it. I didn't feel 00:14:46.169 --> 00:14:48.929 like I was enough and all of those things. So 00:14:48.929 --> 00:14:51.629 I'll put that link in the podcast show notes. 00:14:52.070 --> 00:14:54.629 So thanks, Deb, for doing that. As we transition 00:14:54.629 --> 00:14:59.809 here, we just came through the most holy week 00:14:59.809 --> 00:15:02.789 on the Christian calendar, that being the week 00:15:02.789 --> 00:15:08.659 of Easter. We had a complete episode, our last 00:15:08.659 --> 00:15:12.539 episode of season three. David and Deb and I 00:15:12.539 --> 00:15:16.940 all went through the week, the days and the events 00:15:16.940 --> 00:15:20.639 of Holy Week one by one. Pretty exhaustive. I 00:15:20.639 --> 00:15:23.059 mean, we left a lot out, you know, it's just 00:15:23.059 --> 00:15:26.580 impossible to cover that all in a one hour podcast. 00:15:26.580 --> 00:15:29.039 And that was actually a one and a half hour podcast. 00:15:29.179 --> 00:15:31.080 We broke an all time record. We promised not 00:15:31.080 --> 00:15:34.059 to do that again. I'm not that talkative. But 00:15:34.059 --> 00:15:37.100 we extended a little extra grace being that it 00:15:37.100 --> 00:15:40.419 was David's last episode with us, at least for 00:15:40.419 --> 00:15:43.559 a year and a half. But so now we move into the 00:15:43.559 --> 00:15:47.929 week after. Easter dub we've talked about this 00:15:47.929 --> 00:15:51.190 a couple of times even as recently as today is 00:15:51.190 --> 00:15:53.250 it's just like man We just need to make an effort 00:15:53.250 --> 00:15:56.769 to put Easter in our life all the time Yeah, 00:15:56.789 --> 00:16:00.470 and I think even the last episode in the recording 00:16:00.470 --> 00:16:04.389 when they said that some some traditions You 00:16:04.389 --> 00:16:08.470 know do the 40 days before and then 40 days after 00:16:08.470 --> 00:16:12.799 then we say he is risen and then you say Indeed, 00:16:12.879 --> 00:16:15.679 he is risen, that's right. And I said, we're 00:16:15.679 --> 00:16:18.179 gonna do that, so we're gonna keep practicing 00:16:18.179 --> 00:16:19.759 that. I don't know if we're gonna do it perfect, 00:16:20.059 --> 00:16:26.600 but it's such a celebration. But as we, the Easter 00:16:26.600 --> 00:16:31.059 season, I so looked forward to the, to coming 00:16:31.059 --> 00:16:34.320 upon the Easter season and then to have general 00:16:34.320 --> 00:16:38.720 conference and then to be able to have so many, 00:16:39.320 --> 00:16:42.879 I like, when Easter is later in April because 00:16:42.879 --> 00:16:45.159 it makes it feel like the Easter season is longer. 00:16:45.460 --> 00:16:48.799 And as it as Holy Week was was ending, I just 00:16:48.799 --> 00:16:52.519 thought, oh, I don't want this to be over. But 00:16:52.519 --> 00:16:56.100 we had a tender little couple of tender experiences 00:16:56.100 --> 00:17:02.299 with the Sunday Palm Sunday. Our kids come over 00:17:02.299 --> 00:17:05.420 every Sunday, not all of them, but a lot of them 00:17:05.420 --> 00:17:08.079 come over and I was going to make more waffles. 00:17:08.349 --> 00:17:10.910 forum and I said hey before we before they all 00:17:10.910 --> 00:17:14.210 come let's let's go for well a motorcycle ride 00:17:14.210 --> 00:17:19.170 and you know let's just buzz around it was a 00:17:19.170 --> 00:17:22.349 beautiful sunny day and so Scott tried to start 00:17:22.349 --> 00:17:26.089 his motorcycle and the battery was dead and which 00:17:26.089 --> 00:17:28.490 is interesting because I had just ridden it the 00:17:28.490 --> 00:17:31.609 day before and it was not dead yeah well you'll 00:17:31.609 --> 00:17:34.609 find out why it was dead so he said let's just 00:17:34.609 --> 00:17:37.400 get on the e -bikes Well, we live really close 00:17:37.400 --> 00:17:42.119 to a trail that is amazing. And one of our favorite 00:17:42.119 --> 00:17:44.819 rides, and it had to be really short because 00:17:44.819 --> 00:17:47.740 I had kids coming soon, was over to the Linden 00:17:47.740 --> 00:17:50.440 Utah Temple. So you get on this little paved 00:17:50.440 --> 00:17:54.200 trail, and we ride these electric bikes, and 00:17:54.200 --> 00:17:58.099 it's literally a Sunday cruise. And we started 00:17:58.099 --> 00:18:02.180 riding over to the Linden Temple. And on the 00:18:02.180 --> 00:18:06.420 drive, um, or on the ride, I noticed on the path 00:18:06.420 --> 00:18:10.740 there, somebody had taken time and artfully had 00:18:10.740 --> 00:18:15.019 drawn, he is risen, there is hope, Jesus loves 00:18:15.019 --> 00:18:19.440 you, Gethsemane, all along this path, just so 00:18:19.440 --> 00:18:22.980 such beautiful messages as we were on that trail. 00:18:23.099 --> 00:18:25.059 And I even said, let's, let's go to the temple. 00:18:25.160 --> 00:18:27.339 And I was like, man, this is like they're preparing 00:18:27.339 --> 00:18:30.839 us to go to the temple. It was overwhelming. 00:18:31.550 --> 00:18:35.369 Especially yeah, I you know, I tell him you're 00:18:35.369 --> 00:18:38.650 overwhelmed. Yeah. Well, yeah, Debs kind of I'm 00:18:38.650 --> 00:18:44.890 pretty sensitive. I'm emotional. I I cry. I don't 00:18:44.890 --> 00:18:48.210 necessarily like them, but I'm glad you do. But 00:18:48.210 --> 00:18:50.529 it's who I am. I when I get when I feel the spirit, 00:18:50.569 --> 00:18:54.759 that's just what happens to me. And. I guess 00:18:54.759 --> 00:18:56.599 I'm kind of like my grandpa Fagan that way, you 00:18:56.599 --> 00:18:59.240 know when he'd bless the food he would cry You 00:18:59.240 --> 00:19:04.119 do that, you know sometimes but So we I cross 00:19:04.119 --> 00:19:06.839 the road and then as I get on to that part of 00:19:06.839 --> 00:19:10.619 the path That's what I saw in big beautiful pastel 00:19:10.619 --> 00:19:15.819 color Sidewalk chalk he is risen, you know Happy 00:19:15.819 --> 00:19:18.559 Easter and all the things that you said and at 00:19:18.559 --> 00:19:21.880 the first the first one I saw I I was you know, 00:19:21.880 --> 00:19:24.259 we had We had been to church already. We had 00:19:24.259 --> 00:19:27.299 had some tender experiences. Testimony. Taken. 00:19:27.460 --> 00:19:29.859 Yeah, it was fast Sunday, right? We had we had 00:19:29.859 --> 00:19:31.680 we had done that. We had taken the sacrament. 00:19:31.759 --> 00:19:34.180 And just like we challenge our kids in Institute 00:19:34.180 --> 00:19:37.319 each week, I try to make the sacrament extremely 00:19:37.319 --> 00:19:40.319 meaningful. I know you do, too. And so, you know, 00:19:40.319 --> 00:19:43.039 it was a day of worship. It was just a day of 00:19:43.039 --> 00:19:45.160 worship. We had kept the Sabbath day holy and 00:19:45.160 --> 00:19:48.079 holy. Indeed, it was. And so we hop on that trail 00:19:48.079 --> 00:19:51.140 and it became even holier to me because I see 00:19:51.140 --> 00:19:53.420 this and And I know where I'm going, you know, 00:19:53.559 --> 00:19:55.819 the representation of Jesus Christ on earth, 00:19:55.980 --> 00:19:59.920 the temple. And here I am seeing these messages 00:19:59.920 --> 00:20:05.720 and I become kind of overcome. By the spirit, 00:20:05.900 --> 00:20:08.200 you know, I'm wiping tears from my eyes people 00:20:08.200 --> 00:20:10.319 are looking at me like who's this weird guy on 00:20:10.319 --> 00:20:13.200 this bike riding on this But I don't really care, 00:20:13.420 --> 00:20:16.900 you know, that's just I don't care But anyway 00:20:16.900 --> 00:20:20.880 continue on anyway as we there's the it's a it's 00:20:20.880 --> 00:20:24.619 a wet windy Trail. Yeah, and as we were going 00:20:24.619 --> 00:20:26.720 around corners and reading these sweet messages 00:20:26.720 --> 00:20:29.420 We came around that final corner and there is 00:20:29.420 --> 00:20:32.500 this big beautiful white temple and it's still 00:20:32.500 --> 00:20:35.220 under construction so we like to go over there 00:20:35.220 --> 00:20:40.759 often and see the progress of the temple And 00:20:40.759 --> 00:20:43.980 as we went over, as we were getting closer, it's 00:20:43.980 --> 00:20:48.299 almost like majestic. Literally, it was a majestic 00:20:48.299 --> 00:20:51.660 feeling to just have that overwhelm and just, 00:20:51.819 --> 00:20:54.920 and I have such a love for the temple. It's such 00:20:54.920 --> 00:21:00.220 a sacred, sacred place for me. And when it's 00:21:00.220 --> 00:21:03.000 finished and dedicated, it will be our temple. 00:21:03.079 --> 00:21:06.519 So I, I definitely have even a tender, more tender. 00:21:07.309 --> 00:21:10.549 place for that. I'm just so anxious for it to 00:21:10.549 --> 00:21:13.890 be done. Anyways, as we were getting closer, 00:21:14.089 --> 00:21:16.190 I noticed there's a lot of people on the trail. 00:21:17.390 --> 00:21:21.789 And as we got almost right in front of the temple, 00:21:22.470 --> 00:21:27.980 like I said, the trail is windy. see a big group 00:21:27.980 --> 00:21:30.640 of people walking towards the temple from the 00:21:30.640 --> 00:21:34.299 other direction. And they all have palms, palm 00:21:34.299 --> 00:21:38.220 leaves. And I can hear singing and hymns. And 00:21:38.220 --> 00:21:40.619 the first one we heard was, I Feel My Savior's 00:21:40.619 --> 00:21:45.000 Love, wasn't it? Yeah. Yeah. And I stopped, we 00:21:45.000 --> 00:21:47.220 both stopped, pulled our bikes over like dead 00:21:47.220 --> 00:21:49.779 in our tracks almost. We just stood there with 00:21:49.779 --> 00:21:53.269 our jaws dropped like, what is happening? And 00:21:53.269 --> 00:21:56.710 as we watch this group of people more and more 00:21:56.710 --> 00:22:00.130 and more people came singing and waving these 00:22:00.130 --> 00:22:05.589 palms, young and old, like little kids, strollers 00:22:05.589 --> 00:22:09.950 and older couples, people that, uh, and I remember 00:22:09.950 --> 00:22:13.269 seeing wheelchairs and people just singing and 00:22:13.269 --> 00:22:16.730 praising. And I just, I kept thinking, wow, is 00:22:16.730 --> 00:22:21.130 this what it was like when the savior came in? 00:22:21.529 --> 00:22:24.710 And that triumphal entry and I get to eyewitness 00:22:24.710 --> 00:22:31.009 this on Palm Sunday. What a sacred, sacred, tender 00:22:31.009 --> 00:22:36.930 mercy that your motorcycle didn't start. I mean, 00:22:36.970 --> 00:22:42.130 what a gift. What a gift. So I had a couple of 00:22:42.130 --> 00:22:44.589 experiences while that was happening too. There 00:22:44.589 --> 00:22:47.390 was a young man. I don't have any idea how old 00:22:47.390 --> 00:22:49.869 he would be. Probably my guess would be in his 00:22:50.359 --> 00:22:55.380 late teens, early 20s, who had some sort of handicap 00:22:55.380 --> 00:22:58.400 and was in a wheelchair. My guess would be cerebral 00:22:58.400 --> 00:23:01.460 palsy, but I don't know for sure. But obviously 00:23:01.460 --> 00:23:06.519 had a handicap and and singing. I feel my Savior's 00:23:06.519 --> 00:23:10.000 love at the top of his lungs. He was grinning. 00:23:10.319 --> 00:23:15.660 Oh, he was so excited. So excited, so excited 00:23:15.660 --> 00:23:18.299 to be going to the house of the Lord, right? 00:23:18.359 --> 00:23:21.480 So excited to be in the procession to welcome 00:23:21.480 --> 00:23:27.759 the King of Kings. And then I saw this old couple. 00:23:28.059 --> 00:23:30.319 I mean, old couple. I mean, we're kind of old, 00:23:30.720 --> 00:23:33.059 but I mean, older than us. Even older than our 00:23:33.059 --> 00:23:37.480 parents, I think. Walking with Cain's very very 00:23:37.480 --> 00:23:39.779 deliberately and it was painful for them, you 00:23:39.779 --> 00:23:42.920 know But I white hair and and kind of hunched 00:23:42.920 --> 00:23:48.079 over and and just making the best Yeah with what 00:23:48.079 --> 00:23:50.720 the kind of hope they had and and it occurred 00:23:50.720 --> 00:23:53.200 to me, you know is and it not in the moment it 00:23:53.200 --> 00:23:55.420 didn't but it has since and occurred to me that 00:23:55.420 --> 00:23:58.859 you know, maybe the faiths of those people on 00:23:58.859 --> 00:24:01.599 that day were Pretty similar to the faith of 00:24:01.599 --> 00:24:04.500 those that were literally there when they saw 00:24:04.500 --> 00:24:08.680 Jesus himself. Yeah, it was overwhelming to see. 00:24:09.160 --> 00:24:13.519 There ended up being around 1 ,300 people gathered 00:24:13.519 --> 00:24:16.400 that day. And the reason why we knew that is 00:24:16.400 --> 00:24:19.279 because right there at the temple, there's a 00:24:19.279 --> 00:24:21.960 path that goes into the lawn just south of that 00:24:21.960 --> 00:24:25.420 temple. And they all gathered there, had a microphone, 00:24:25.900 --> 00:24:30.200 and they had Andrew Skinner there talking about 00:24:30.730 --> 00:24:33.609 um, holy week and talking about his experience 00:24:33.609 --> 00:24:36.910 in Jerusalem. And we stood there and on, I was 00:24:36.910 --> 00:24:39.930 like, Oh gosh, I gotta go home and make waffles. 00:24:40.950 --> 00:24:44.549 So I'm texting them saying, Hey, we got, we got 00:24:44.549 --> 00:24:48.210 stuck. on purpose. Yeah, they all ended up coming 00:24:48.210 --> 00:24:51.690 up with this. Anyway, it was it was just such 00:24:51.690 --> 00:24:54.170 a wonderful, wonderful experience. You know, 00:24:54.289 --> 00:24:56.190 some of the things that I reflected on, Deb, 00:24:56.529 --> 00:24:58.990 while that was taking place is, you know, Jesus, 00:24:59.089 --> 00:25:01.289 when he entered into Jerusalem, he was fully 00:25:01.289 --> 00:25:03.890 aware of what was ahead of him. Yeah. Can you 00:25:03.890 --> 00:25:07.589 imagine? He was fully aware. And and you know 00:25:07.589 --> 00:25:11.829 his gentleness his courage his commitment To 00:25:11.829 --> 00:25:14.930 save even knowing the cost you know like we mentioned 00:25:14.930 --> 00:25:18.549 in the podcast last last episode You know even 00:25:18.549 --> 00:25:20.730 considering the cost of what he was going to 00:25:20.730 --> 00:25:22.890 do He did it willingly and then you know and 00:25:22.890 --> 00:25:25.730 then I thought of the contrast You know and we 00:25:25.730 --> 00:25:28.589 heard them waving the palms and singing hymns 00:25:28.589 --> 00:25:34.380 and and shouting hosanna hosanna What is that 00:25:34.380 --> 00:25:38.019 the whole saying hosanna hosanna? Yeah, it means 00:25:38.019 --> 00:25:41.279 save us Save us now. Yeah, it seemed like there 00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:42.779 was something more to it But anyway, they're 00:25:42.779 --> 00:25:45.859 waving the palms and shouting hosanna and you 00:25:45.859 --> 00:25:48.880 know, which means save us now hosanna to the 00:25:48.880 --> 00:25:51.059 most high God which means save us now like you 00:25:51.059 --> 00:25:55.339 just said but But I wondered I wonder how many 00:25:55.339 --> 00:25:58.140 of the original crowd as we've talked about in 00:25:58.140 --> 00:26:01.000 there Episode last time I wonder how many of 00:26:01.000 --> 00:26:03.539 that original crowd not only yelled hosanna as 00:26:03.539 --> 00:26:06.500 he came into the city But then through the confusion 00:26:06.500 --> 00:26:09.579 and because it wasn't exactly the way they thought 00:26:09.579 --> 00:26:11.740 it should be You know They thought that this 00:26:11.740 --> 00:26:13.819 Messiah was going to come and save him from their 00:26:13.819 --> 00:26:16.559 political oppression and all of that other stuff 00:26:16.559 --> 00:26:19.200 And they're saying hosanna hosanna here He comes 00:26:19.200 --> 00:26:21.119 he's you know and many of them are thinking that 00:26:21.119 --> 00:26:23.119 the government is now going to be overthrown 00:26:23.119 --> 00:26:25.880 But then when they find that it was not going 00:26:25.880 --> 00:26:27.839 to be that way. I wonder how many of those it 00:26:27.839 --> 00:26:31.269 was that we're yelling Hosanna on Sunday, we're 00:26:31.269 --> 00:26:35.609 yelling crucify him Friday morning. Yeah, yeah. 00:26:36.009 --> 00:26:38.490 It's a lot to think about. Yeah. You know, and 00:26:38.490 --> 00:26:45.289 as we as we as I reflected on the Easter that 00:26:45.289 --> 00:26:48.869 that holy week, we had a really awesome opportunity 00:26:48.869 --> 00:26:51.569 to spend Good Friday in the temple. It's one 00:26:51.569 --> 00:26:53.109 thing that we've been doing for the last few 00:26:53.109 --> 00:26:58.990 years is. taking Good Friday off and spending 00:26:58.990 --> 00:27:04.789 the sacred day in the Lord's house and filling 00:27:04.789 --> 00:27:09.410 His Spirit. That was so, so, so sweet. We kind 00:27:09.410 --> 00:27:12.009 of make it a point to try and be there. I know 00:27:12.009 --> 00:27:14.410 that the timelines don't align between here and 00:27:14.410 --> 00:27:18.269 the Holy Land, but we do it nonetheless out of 00:27:18.269 --> 00:27:22.329 our own, just the way we do it. But we try to 00:27:22.329 --> 00:27:25.400 be there between noon and three. That would have 00:27:25.400 --> 00:27:28.559 been during the time that Jesus hung even without 00:27:28.559 --> 00:27:31.059 the father's support. That's when the father 00:27:31.059 --> 00:27:34.759 had turned and Jesus, one of his seven statements 00:27:34.759 --> 00:27:37.960 while he was on the cross, why hast thou forsaken 00:27:37.960 --> 00:27:43.740 me? Anyway, you know, so that kind of a poignant 00:27:43.740 --> 00:27:49.059 point for sure. Yeah, and then that evening we 00:27:49.059 --> 00:27:51.740 went to the Tulip Festival with my brother Evan 00:27:51.740 --> 00:27:56.730 and his sweet wife back. And as we walked through 00:27:56.730 --> 00:28:00.849 the Book of Mormon part and then the New Testament 00:28:00.849 --> 00:28:02.190 part at the Thanksgiving point. So this is at 00:28:02.190 --> 00:28:06.789 Thanksgiving Point there in Lehigh, Utah. But 00:28:06.789 --> 00:28:11.190 they have figurines of all these different... 00:28:11.190 --> 00:28:13.589 They're probably more like statues than figurines. 00:28:14.869 --> 00:28:17.769 They are statues. You said figurines. I did say 00:28:17.769 --> 00:28:19.809 figurines. They are statues. They're not figurines, 00:28:20.150 --> 00:28:23.309 babe. They're human -sized figurines. No, they're 00:28:23.309 --> 00:28:27.329 larger than that. Anyway, they have a lot of 00:28:27.329 --> 00:28:29.450 the story, and as we were walking through there, 00:28:30.170 --> 00:28:33.910 my sweet, sweet sister Bec says to me, I call 00:28:33.910 --> 00:28:38.269 her my sister in love, she said to me, my New 00:28:38.269 --> 00:28:42.269 Year's resolution this year is more Jesus. That 00:28:42.269 --> 00:28:44.710 really touched my heart, and I just thought, 00:28:45.009 --> 00:28:48.289 yeah, me too. I'm not going to do it on January 00:28:48.289 --> 00:28:51.529 1st, but I'm going to do it on April 20th or 00:28:51.529 --> 00:28:54.829 April 19th. And I just thought, what a sweet 00:28:54.829 --> 00:28:59.250 way to keep the Holy week very much alive in 00:28:59.250 --> 00:29:05.390 our lives. And I love, um, in October of 2024, 00:29:06.069 --> 00:29:09.710 when president Nelson talked about having a relationship 00:29:09.710 --> 00:29:13.329 with the savior. He gave a promise in that talk 00:29:13.329 --> 00:29:16.089 that says, here is, here is my promise to you. 00:29:16.519 --> 00:29:20.460 every sincere seeker of Jesus Christ will find 00:29:20.460 --> 00:29:23.799 him in the temple. You will feel his mercy. You 00:29:23.799 --> 00:29:27.400 will find answers to your most vexing questions. 00:29:27.799 --> 00:29:32.559 You will better comprehend the joy of the gospel." 00:29:32.559 --> 00:29:35.200 And I just thought, man, that is quite a promise. 00:29:35.740 --> 00:29:38.259 And you know, I remember a time in my life when 00:29:38.259 --> 00:29:41.400 I couldn't go in the temple but being among those 00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:44.980 holy grounds just like on those bikes. feeling 00:29:44.980 --> 00:29:49.619 that power and that connection, just being on 00:29:49.619 --> 00:29:53.380 the grounds or near a temple. What do you think 00:29:53.380 --> 00:29:57.619 it means to have more Jesus in my life? Definitely. 00:29:57.779 --> 00:29:59.380 I caught you off guard because you didn't know 00:29:59.380 --> 00:30:01.099 I was going to ask you that question, but it 00:30:01.099 --> 00:30:04.079 just, it just, it just occurs to me. That's probably 00:30:04.079 --> 00:30:06.799 something that we should all contemplate. Right? 00:30:06.900 --> 00:30:08.839 What does that even mean? What does that look 00:30:08.839 --> 00:30:13.869 like? How would I behave differently? So, I don't 00:30:13.869 --> 00:30:15.549 know. What are your thoughts babe? Let's phone 00:30:15.549 --> 00:30:22.490 a friend To me I have really been reflecting 00:30:22.490 --> 00:30:25.309 on that since she's told me that and You know, 00:30:25.309 --> 00:30:28.150 I I thought you know, I can definitely up my 00:30:28.150 --> 00:30:31.289 attendance in the temple. I can definitely up 00:30:31.289 --> 00:30:35.009 my My personal scripture study. There's nothing 00:30:35.009 --> 00:30:39.690 I get up quite early to read and and study the 00:30:39.690 --> 00:30:44.000 scriptures that come follow me the And I love 00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:47.160 to be in the Book of Mormon, and I am loving 00:30:47.160 --> 00:30:51.220 the more that I study them. But it's, I feel 00:30:51.220 --> 00:30:54.740 like, well, I will tell you this. This last year, 00:30:54.880 --> 00:30:58.339 I have got a highlighter. And in my Book of Mormon 00:30:58.339 --> 00:31:02.400 and in my Doctrine and Covenants, I have highlighted 00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:07.900 Holy Ghost, Comforter. Savior, Him in capital 00:31:07.900 --> 00:31:11.160 letters, anywhere that I see the Savior, I have 00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:15.799 highlighted that to find more Jesus. I think 00:31:15.799 --> 00:31:19.460 I was doing that sort of, I just didn't realize 00:31:19.460 --> 00:31:22.400 it, that I really needed to intentionally say, 00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:27.559 you know, find Jesus, find more Jesus. I think 00:31:27.559 --> 00:31:31.160 that's so key. to everything in our lives. I 00:31:31.160 --> 00:31:34.720 mean, literally everything is to put him at the 00:31:34.720 --> 00:31:38.359 center of our lives. Right. I mean, you remember 00:31:38.359 --> 00:31:43.299 a year or so ago, we did a little kind of a series 00:31:43.299 --> 00:31:48.019 for our ward on how to heal mental illness and 00:31:48.019 --> 00:31:49.859 those types of things through the atonement of 00:31:49.859 --> 00:31:53.059 Jesus Christ. Well, and I don't remember the 00:31:53.059 --> 00:31:57.000 exact year, but we use the talk a lot from President 00:31:57.000 --> 00:32:00.440 Nelson. And I don't remember the name of the 00:32:00.440 --> 00:32:02.900 talk, but in it he said that Jesus is literally 00:32:02.900 --> 00:32:10.490 the answer to everything. To say it to I want 00:32:10.490 --> 00:32:12.789 to have more Jesus in my life I think you know 00:32:12.789 --> 00:32:15.690 a more reverent way to say that would be I want 00:32:15.690 --> 00:32:19.970 to align myself More with his will for me, you 00:32:19.970 --> 00:32:22.490 know I because I think about how this is so important 00:32:22.490 --> 00:32:24.690 in every aspect of our life and automatically 00:32:24.690 --> 00:32:27.390 immediately because maybe the biggest impetus 00:32:27.390 --> 00:32:33.119 for me to understanding the necessity of Jesus's 00:32:33.119 --> 00:32:36.240 atonement in my in his power through his atonement 00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:39.759 in my life was through my alcoholism because 00:32:39.759 --> 00:32:43.559 of that experience and then knowing now what 00:32:43.559 --> 00:32:46.890 I know because of the cleansing experience, there 00:32:46.890 --> 00:32:50.210 was just nothing. There was just no way that 00:32:50.210 --> 00:32:53.829 that I could ever have any semblance of peace, 00:32:54.089 --> 00:32:56.309 let alone happiness, but any semblance of peace 00:32:56.309 --> 00:32:58.670 in my life. When I was on the collision course 00:32:58.670 --> 00:33:01.049 with disaster, like I was for so many years with 00:33:01.049 --> 00:33:03.509 my with my alcoholism and addiction. Well, when 00:33:03.509 --> 00:33:06.109 I found Alcoholics Anonymous and when I was directed 00:33:06.109 --> 00:33:10.589 there by a good, loving stake president one day, 00:33:10.589 --> 00:33:16.089 and and I and I and I really found out You know, 00:33:16.269 --> 00:33:21.609 step one is pretty obvious. My life's unmanageable. 00:33:21.670 --> 00:33:24.130 I'm powerless over alcohol. My life's unmanageable. 00:33:24.390 --> 00:33:26.109 But step two has come to believe that a power 00:33:26.109 --> 00:33:28.210 greater than myself could restore me to sanity. 00:33:28.329 --> 00:33:30.309 And then three is to make a decision to turn 00:33:30.309 --> 00:33:32.130 my will and my life over to the care of God as 00:33:32.130 --> 00:33:34.789 I understand him. It took alcoholics anonymous, 00:33:34.890 --> 00:33:39.089 Deb. It took alcoholics anonymous to help me 00:33:39.089 --> 00:33:43.279 know. what it looks like to have a deeper relationship 00:33:43.279 --> 00:33:45.700 with Jesus, where I feel like He's more present 00:33:45.700 --> 00:33:49.000 in my life through the Spirit of the Holy Ghost, 00:33:49.039 --> 00:33:51.019 the Comforter, like you just said. Yeah, can 00:33:51.019 --> 00:33:53.380 I share a quick story about that? I remember 00:33:53.380 --> 00:33:56.119 being in those same rooms and I remember a gentleman 00:33:56.119 --> 00:34:00.559 walking in, tatted up, something that I would 00:34:00.559 --> 00:34:04.119 have... considered in the past extremely scary. 00:34:04.180 --> 00:34:07.859 He was large. He was bald. He was intimidating, 00:34:08.079 --> 00:34:10.039 to be honest with you. He came in and sat down 00:34:10.039 --> 00:34:13.159 in those meetings and they opened the meetings 00:34:13.159 --> 00:34:16.039 to share your experience, strength and hope. 00:34:16.639 --> 00:34:20.239 And this gentleman changed me, literally changed 00:34:20.239 --> 00:34:24.360 me. I will never forget this. He had just gotten 00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:28.619 out of prison and he talked about how he had 00:34:28.619 --> 00:34:31.280 read the Book of Mormon and how it had changed 00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:34.179 him and how grateful he was to his Savior Jesus 00:34:34.179 --> 00:34:38.179 Christ. And I literally, that was the first time 00:34:38.179 --> 00:34:41.920 I had tangible experience with the Atonement. 00:34:42.039 --> 00:34:45.920 He just wept and there was not a dry eye in that 00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:50.820 room talking about how much he needed and how 00:34:50.820 --> 00:34:53.420 scared he was to be on the outside of those prison 00:34:53.420 --> 00:34:57.219 doors and how much he still relied on. Him, I 00:34:57.219 --> 00:34:59.940 will never, and that was probably 20 plus years 00:34:59.940 --> 00:35:02.760 ago, I will never forget that day because it 00:35:02.760 --> 00:35:06.559 was such a tangible experience for me. And I 00:35:06.559 --> 00:35:10.059 thought, wow, I need to know Jesus better. So 00:35:10.059 --> 00:35:14.699 powerful, so tender. And, you know, we see a 00:35:14.699 --> 00:35:18.400 lot of that, don't we? There and just in life. 00:35:18.480 --> 00:35:22.380 Yeah. You know, we go to church. And it's great 00:35:22.380 --> 00:35:24.139 and it's this is how it should be, you know We 00:35:24.139 --> 00:35:25.960 go to church and everybody's there in their white 00:35:25.960 --> 00:35:28.539 shirt and ties and they're nice pretty clothes 00:35:28.539 --> 00:35:32.039 and Dresses and everything else and we just tend 00:35:32.039 --> 00:35:33.900 to bring our best selves there and we should 00:35:33.900 --> 00:35:35.699 you know We should do that because we're there 00:35:35.699 --> 00:35:37.840 to worship the Lord We should be respectful and 00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:42.059 we should come as we do there's no question to 00:35:42.059 --> 00:35:44.900 me But but I think sometimes that that gets that 00:35:44.900 --> 00:35:48.139 gets we get confused with that's us approaching 00:35:48.139 --> 00:35:50.940 the Lord and we have to be in a certain demeanor 00:35:50.940 --> 00:35:53.880 in order for us to approach him or to have his 00:35:53.880 --> 00:35:57.780 blessings affect our lives. And that's just wrong. 00:35:58.000 --> 00:36:01.460 I love that you shared that about the guy with 00:36:01.460 --> 00:36:05.099 the tattoos. He scared me by appearance, but 00:36:05.099 --> 00:36:07.179 man, by the time that man left that meeting, 00:36:07.780 --> 00:36:11.260 I hugged him and thanked him like I have never 00:36:11.260 --> 00:36:13.940 hugged and thanked somebody before for testifying 00:36:13.940 --> 00:36:16.719 of the Savior Jesus Christ like he did. Because 00:36:16.719 --> 00:36:20.719 only true and lasting change comes through Jesus 00:36:20.719 --> 00:36:25.159 Christ. There is no other source. that true and 00:36:25.159 --> 00:36:28.380 lasting change can come from, especially the 00:36:28.380 --> 00:36:30.500 true and lasting change that will draw us peace, 00:36:30.619 --> 00:36:32.320 that will draw us closer to our Heavenly Father, 00:36:32.340 --> 00:36:34.500 that will put us on a covenant path that will 00:36:34.500 --> 00:36:39.179 allow Him, you got that right, allow Him to bless 00:36:39.179 --> 00:36:41.659 us. He just wants to bless us. We just have to 00:36:41.659 --> 00:36:44.000 align with those blessings. And the greatest 00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:46.320 blessing of all that He's given us is His Son, 00:36:46.639 --> 00:36:49.179 that we could be redeemed from the fallen world. 00:36:49.340 --> 00:36:53.389 Yeah. I was just reminded when you said that 00:36:53.389 --> 00:36:57.230 about the talk from Sister Roonya at this last 00:36:57.230 --> 00:37:00.710 conference, the invitation to repent is an expression 00:37:00.710 --> 00:37:04.630 of God's love. And saying yes to that invitation 00:37:04.630 --> 00:37:08.489 is an expression of ours. That's all he wants. 00:37:08.570 --> 00:37:11.050 He just wants us to come to him. The only thing 00:37:11.050 --> 00:37:13.489 we have that he doesn't is our agency. And when 00:37:13.489 --> 00:37:15.829 we come to him with an open, broken heart and 00:37:15.829 --> 00:37:18.579 a contrite spirit, what a gift. Do you think 00:37:18.579 --> 00:37:20.400 we sometimes get confused on what it looks like 00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:23.280 to come to him though? Absolutely, and we get 00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:28.380 distracted life's busy. I am number one offender 00:37:28.380 --> 00:37:33.159 for me is Busyness and it it takes conscious 00:37:33.159 --> 00:37:38.280 effort for me to pause and be still And it's 00:37:38.280 --> 00:37:41.920 it's sometimes hard. It's harder than being busy 00:37:41.920 --> 00:37:45.519 Being still being still is harder to me than 00:37:45.519 --> 00:37:49.269 than being busy Yeah, it's it's definitely such 00:37:49.269 --> 00:37:51.550 a distraction definitely definitely absolutely 00:37:51.550 --> 00:37:54.750 definitely absolutely definitely that way for 00:37:54.750 --> 00:37:59.250 me as well, you know dub I think that a little 00:37:59.250 --> 00:38:04.010 more of Jesus Christ in our Heavenly Father and 00:38:04.010 --> 00:38:07.929 and they Holy Ghost in our lives would definitely 00:38:07.929 --> 00:38:10.329 create that peace for us, right? That I think 00:38:10.329 --> 00:38:12.289 so many of us feel like we're missing those of 00:38:12.289 --> 00:38:14.949 us who have have just feel like we've gone too 00:38:14.949 --> 00:38:18.150 far. I know that I have felt that way multiple 00:38:18.150 --> 00:38:20.710 times, like I have just gone too far. You know, 00:38:20.829 --> 00:38:25.309 this time, I mean, I mean I have just felt like 00:38:25.309 --> 00:38:28.530 I have gone too far beyond the reach and I and 00:38:28.530 --> 00:38:31.150 I remember back to a story that David used to 00:38:31.150 --> 00:38:33.010 tell about when Elder Anderson would come to 00:38:33.010 --> 00:38:36.030 the prison and and he would talk to him about 00:38:36.030 --> 00:38:38.489 the atonement of Jesus Christ and how Heavenly 00:38:38.489 --> 00:38:41.219 Father loves him and one time there's this person 00:38:41.219 --> 00:38:43.480 man that was sitting there with his arms folded 00:38:43.480 --> 00:38:46.099 and just looking down and Elder Anderson approach 00:38:46.099 --> 00:38:49.440 team and and the guy and I'm paraphrasing he 00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:51.260 would have to go back and find the episode where 00:38:51.260 --> 00:38:55.079 David told the story but he says I've gone too 00:38:55.079 --> 00:38:59.289 far there's nothing that can save me and David 00:38:59.289 --> 00:39:01.590 said that Elder Anderson every time David tells 00:39:01.590 --> 00:39:03.889 a story says Elder Anderson almost come out of 00:39:03.889 --> 00:39:07.630 his shoes there has nothing there is nothing 00:39:07.630 --> 00:39:11.869 that you have done or no you have not gone so 00:39:11.869 --> 00:39:14.949 far as to be beyond the reach of the atonement 00:39:14.949 --> 00:39:18.530 of Jesus Christ and I don't think we understand 00:39:18.530 --> 00:39:22.650 that I really don't feel like, I mean, because 00:39:22.650 --> 00:39:25.309 I feel like we all have this unique story and 00:39:25.309 --> 00:39:28.630 we have this. If you only knew. Yes. If what 00:39:28.630 --> 00:39:33.010 I, I remember working through some, some truths 00:39:33.010 --> 00:39:36.590 and my sponsor said to me, what I don't want 00:39:36.590 --> 00:39:40.070 you to know about me is, and I just thought, 00:39:40.269 --> 00:39:44.050 Whoa, that is overwhelming with how honest am 00:39:44.050 --> 00:39:47.530 I willing to get? Because you know what? We don't 00:39:47.530 --> 00:39:51.190 surprise him. There's, I mean, that's that. But 00:39:51.190 --> 00:39:53.190 numerous times I would say, I'm taking that to 00:39:53.190 --> 00:39:55.530 the grave. I'm taking that to the grave. And 00:39:55.530 --> 00:40:01.329 I remember feeling like I'm too far gone. And 00:40:01.329 --> 00:40:06.230 I think that's where this book and the scriptures 00:40:06.230 --> 00:40:11.650 has helped me find that hope and help me understand 00:40:11.650 --> 00:40:16.090 no matter how deep and dark and ugly and horrible 00:40:16.090 --> 00:40:20.679 our messes are, We have a God bigger than us 00:40:20.679 --> 00:40:23.980 that, I mean, we're not gonna fix it, but he 00:40:23.980 --> 00:40:28.179 can. You felt that way. I have felt that way. 00:40:28.239 --> 00:40:30.280 Like we're just beyond the reach, right? Like 00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:32.239 we've just gone too far. And I know that we're 00:40:32.239 --> 00:40:35.340 not alone. You and I have had an opportunity 00:40:35.340 --> 00:40:38.500 now to meet with and be with hundreds of Institute, 00:40:39.360 --> 00:40:44.019 young, single adult age men and women. home off 00:40:44.019 --> 00:40:46.420 of their missions sometimes, sometimes not going 00:40:46.420 --> 00:40:50.800 on missions. And I have to say, they are so valiant 00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:55.920 and so good. They are so good. They don't have 00:40:55.920 --> 00:40:58.920 to be there on a Wednesday night to seek for 00:40:58.920 --> 00:41:03.159 the Spirit, but they come thirsting. And they 00:41:03.159 --> 00:41:07.679 too battle with this. Maybe I'm just not good 00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:10.809 enough for that. Maybe it just doesn't... include 00:41:10.809 --> 00:41:14.349 me. Maybe my mental illness is too big. Maybe 00:41:14.349 --> 00:41:18.230 my abuses and the PTSDs that I have to go through 00:41:18.230 --> 00:41:21.670 now are just too big for me to overcome. Maybe 00:41:21.670 --> 00:41:24.650 and on and on and on and on it goes. You know 00:41:24.650 --> 00:41:27.969 I've had numerous times where some of the kids 00:41:27.969 --> 00:41:30.949 mostly women because I tell them I'm gonna puke 00:41:30.949 --> 00:41:33.690 truth on you. I'm gonna tell you things that 00:41:33.769 --> 00:41:36.750 Have happened or things that I have learned in 00:41:36.750 --> 00:41:41.210 my life because I don't want anyone To feel the 00:41:41.210 --> 00:41:44.710 way I felt when I was going through some of my 00:41:44.710 --> 00:41:47.909 challenges in in my life because I was raised 00:41:47.909 --> 00:41:51.730 a active member of the church and I remember 00:41:51.730 --> 00:41:54.150 certain things that happened to me and certain 00:41:54.150 --> 00:41:57.369 things that I had done to other people and Things 00:41:57.369 --> 00:41:59.989 that I were that I was participating in that 00:41:59.989 --> 00:42:03.269 I just thought there is no hope for me. And I 00:42:03.269 --> 00:42:05.250 don't belong in this church. I don't belong in 00:42:05.250 --> 00:42:09.889 this if they only knew. And I, I, I told them, 00:42:10.110 --> 00:42:12.969 I said, I don't want anyone to feel like they 00:42:12.969 --> 00:42:17.369 don't deserve a seat in that chapel, in that 00:42:17.369 --> 00:42:23.179 ordinance room to re to connect and to renew 00:42:23.179 --> 00:42:27.119 sacred covenants with Heavenly Father in the 00:42:27.119 --> 00:42:31.500 name of Jesus Christ. If I could stand on a mountain 00:42:31.500 --> 00:42:35.139 and just say, please don't let the accuser tell 00:42:35.139 --> 00:42:39.679 you these lies, because it's not true. We are 00:42:39.679 --> 00:42:45.219 literally divine sons and daughters of divinity. 00:42:45.500 --> 00:42:48.920 I mean, we are direct descendants of the divine. 00:42:49.190 --> 00:42:53.869 So when you say that quit listening to the accuser, 00:42:54.269 --> 00:42:57.829 that takes me to Revelations, right? Of course 00:42:57.829 --> 00:42:59.809 you have a scripture for that. Revelations chapter 00:42:59.809 --> 00:43:04.570 12. And in here, this is one of the... few places 00:43:04.570 --> 00:43:08.969 that satan is actually refute referred to as 00:43:08.969 --> 00:43:11.550 the accuser and this is something that we're 00:43:11.550 --> 00:43:14.090 going to talk about more as the season as the 00:43:14.090 --> 00:43:16.230 season goes along what is the accuser how does 00:43:16.230 --> 00:43:19.369 that actually i mean what how does that accuser 00:43:19.369 --> 00:43:21.550 of what what is how does that apply to us we'll 00:43:21.550 --> 00:43:25.250 find out but a lot of it is is just exactly what 00:43:25.250 --> 00:43:27.309 you've been talking about i'm not good enough 00:43:27.309 --> 00:43:29.369 that's an accusation where's that accusation 00:43:29.369 --> 00:43:33.070 come from doesn't come from god right um i'm 00:43:32.909 --> 00:43:35.150 I've gone too far, where does that accusation 00:43:35.150 --> 00:43:38.230 come from? That's from the accuser, the enemy, 00:43:38.369 --> 00:43:40.949 the accuser. So this is in Revelation chapter 00:43:40.949 --> 00:43:43.789 12 verse 10, and I heard a loud voice saying 00:43:43.789 --> 00:43:45.969 in heaven, now has come the day of salvation, 00:43:45.989 --> 00:43:48.190 now has come salvation and the strength and the 00:43:48.190 --> 00:43:51.510 kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ, 00:43:51.650 --> 00:43:54.329 for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, 00:43:54.650 --> 00:43:56.730 which accused them before God day and night. 00:43:56.960 --> 00:44:00.000 So, you know when and obviously this is talking 00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:02.019 about us when we're in the pre -existence and 00:44:02.019 --> 00:44:05.880 and how did we? Overcome the accuser. What was 00:44:05.880 --> 00:44:09.719 it by what power were we able to overcome the 00:44:09.719 --> 00:44:12.340 accuser there? Well, obviously the same power 00:44:12.340 --> 00:44:15.079 that we're able to overcome the accuser here 00:44:15.079 --> 00:44:17.239 And here's what it says and they overcame him 00:44:17.239 --> 00:44:22.199 by the blood of the lamb the blood of the lamb 00:44:22.300 --> 00:44:24.840 we are redeemed through his blood. There's a 00:44:24.840 --> 00:44:28.239 reason we call this podcast, Redeemed Through 00:44:28.239 --> 00:44:31.860 His Blood. They overcame him by the blood of 00:44:31.860 --> 00:44:35.480 the lamb, by the word of their testimony, and 00:44:35.480 --> 00:44:38.199 they loved not their lives unto the death. So 00:44:38.199 --> 00:44:40.380 the testimony, you know, the burning within, 00:44:40.940 --> 00:44:44.360 that was important. And the blood of the lamb, 00:44:44.519 --> 00:44:47.079 the testimony of the blood of the lamb. Well. 00:44:47.880 --> 00:44:50.579 We're accused every day. You know, when you say, 00:44:50.579 --> 00:44:52.860 I don't feel like I belong here, when I feel 00:44:52.860 --> 00:44:55.500 like I don't belong here, when I feel like I've 00:44:55.500 --> 00:44:57.880 gone too far, when I feel like when I look at 00:44:57.880 --> 00:44:59.840 some of the trials that some of my kids are going 00:44:59.840 --> 00:45:03.800 through and I blame myself, when I accuse myself, 00:45:04.079 --> 00:45:06.780 I overcome that through the blood of the lamb. 00:45:07.119 --> 00:45:10.019 through the blood of the lamb. And so that's 00:45:10.019 --> 00:45:12.460 gonna be our invitation through the entirety 00:45:12.460 --> 00:45:16.900 of this podcast season. Season four is to invite 00:45:16.900 --> 00:45:20.280 you to come out of the accusations. You do belong. 00:45:20.679 --> 00:45:24.920 You are here. You are his. Already you are his. 00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:28.059 You don't have to qualify to be his. You have 00:45:28.059 --> 00:45:30.739 to qualify for the blessings that are available 00:45:30.739 --> 00:45:33.159 to us. But sometimes that qualification looks 00:45:33.159 --> 00:45:37.599 much different, Deb, than we think. than we think, 00:45:38.000 --> 00:45:42.400 so. And I think, you know, just remembering that 00:45:42.400 --> 00:45:46.880 the accuser is the thief of hope. And if there's 00:45:46.880 --> 00:45:50.679 anything I could testify of, is there is hope 00:45:50.679 --> 00:45:53.079 no matter where and what you've been in. I've 00:45:53.079 --> 00:45:55.760 been in those holes where I feel like I've gone 00:45:55.760 --> 00:45:59.420 too far and I cannot get out. I have pictures 00:45:59.420 --> 00:46:04.380 to go with those words. And you know, it's not 00:46:04.380 --> 00:46:08.099 earned. I don't earn it. it's offered through 00:46:08.099 --> 00:46:10.340 the blood of the lamb. Exactly, we qualify it 00:46:10.340 --> 00:46:12.760 for it by aligning with his will. We're gonna 00:46:12.760 --> 00:46:14.820 talk about that throughout the season. Oh, thank 00:46:14.820 --> 00:46:17.079 heavens for our covenants, yeah. I know, right? 00:46:18.059 --> 00:46:21.579 I just kinda wanna maybe draw it all to a close 00:46:21.579 --> 00:46:24.980 as we kind of wrap this first episode of season 00:46:24.980 --> 00:46:27.739 four with a scripture from Alma. This is one 00:46:27.739 --> 00:46:30.960 of my very favorites. Our students at Institute 00:46:30.960 --> 00:46:33.900 hear it. frequently and they love it too, you 00:46:33.900 --> 00:46:35.739 know, they don't get tired of it. They love it 00:46:35.739 --> 00:46:37.539 too because of the hope that it breathes within 00:46:37.539 --> 00:46:40.219 each one of us. So this is in Alma 7, we're going 00:46:40.219 --> 00:46:43.460 to start in verse 11, probably go through 13. 00:46:44.880 --> 00:46:47.820 now he being Jesus, right? He shall go forth 00:46:47.820 --> 00:46:51.099 suffering pains and afflictions and temptations 00:46:51.099 --> 00:46:55.559 of every kind. And I always stop, you know, when 00:46:55.559 --> 00:46:58.659 we read this in class, I stop every time almost 00:46:58.659 --> 00:47:02.099 and say how many kinds? And they repeat back 00:47:02.099 --> 00:47:04.940 every kind. This is all inclusive. This leaves 00:47:04.940 --> 00:47:07.659 nothing out, sweetie. Nothing is left out of 00:47:07.659 --> 00:47:11.679 here. He suffered the pains, the afflictions 00:47:11.679 --> 00:47:15.320 and temptations. of every single stinkin' kind, 00:47:15.420 --> 00:47:17.320 right? That's not what it says in there. I know, 00:47:17.460 --> 00:47:21.239 but it does. And this, that the word might be 00:47:21.239 --> 00:47:23.179 fulfilled which saith that he will take upon 00:47:23.179 --> 00:47:26.039 him the pains and sicknesses of his people. So 00:47:26.039 --> 00:47:28.900 he's taken upon him our pains and sicknesses. 00:47:28.940 --> 00:47:31.079 I'm not sure exactly how that works, just based 00:47:31.079 --> 00:47:34.059 on what we've read here so far, but as we go 00:47:34.059 --> 00:47:36.739 through the podcast season, we will. And he will 00:47:36.739 --> 00:47:39.159 take upon him death, that he may loose the bands 00:47:39.159 --> 00:47:41.579 of death, which bind his people. There's two 00:47:41.579 --> 00:47:43.880 types of death that bands are loosed because 00:47:43.880 --> 00:47:46.809 of this. Physical death. and spiritual death 00:47:46.809 --> 00:47:49.250 spiritual death and physical death exactly right 00:47:49.250 --> 00:47:51.670 we're going to talk about the ramifications and 00:47:51.670 --> 00:47:53.989 and how all of those the effects of all of that 00:47:53.989 --> 00:47:57.389 as well and he will take upon him death that 00:47:57.389 --> 00:48:00.489 he may loose the bands of death which bind his 00:48:00.489 --> 00:48:03.369 people and he will take upon him their infirmities 00:48:03.369 --> 00:48:06.610 that his bowels may be filled with mercy there 00:48:06.610 --> 00:48:09.070 it is mercy that's what we are that's all that's 00:48:09.070 --> 00:48:12.630 all we want it's just a little mercy according 00:48:12.630 --> 00:48:15.030 to the flesh that he may know according to the 00:48:15.030 --> 00:48:19.130 flesh how to succor his people." So that was, 00:48:19.150 --> 00:48:22.550 again, Alma 7, and it was only verses 11 and 00:48:22.550 --> 00:48:25.150 12. But, you know, I think as we just kind of 00:48:25.150 --> 00:48:28.550 wrap up tonight, our hope is there. Our hope 00:48:28.550 --> 00:48:32.329 is that he's done it. We don't have to do it. 00:48:32.869 --> 00:48:35.369 He did it. He suffered all the pain and all the 00:48:35.369 --> 00:48:38.429 punishment and penalty for sin. Pain, penalty, 00:48:38.429 --> 00:48:40.809 and punishment for sin was answered by Jesus 00:48:40.809 --> 00:48:44.530 Christ. We don't do that. So how do we then tap 00:48:44.530 --> 00:48:47.710 into and access the blessings of the atonement 00:48:47.710 --> 00:48:50.530 of Jesus Christ in our lives? And those are blessings, 00:48:50.829 --> 00:48:52.630 just to kind of summarize those. You know, we 00:48:52.630 --> 00:48:54.750 think of the atonement of Jesus Christ as being 00:48:54.750 --> 00:48:57.619 important to us for the forgiveness of sin. And 00:48:57.619 --> 00:49:01.909 it is. Definitely is there are other there are 00:49:01.909 --> 00:49:04.489 other blessings that come to us though by way 00:49:04.489 --> 00:49:08.409 of Jesus's Atonement and and the two main category 00:49:08.409 --> 00:49:11.130 three main categories are redemptive and that's 00:49:11.130 --> 00:49:14.190 where the sin falls in Enabling and strengthening 00:49:14.190 --> 00:49:16.889 that's one category strengthening blessings and 00:49:16.889 --> 00:49:18.829 enabling blessings. We'll talk about those throughout 00:49:18.829 --> 00:49:22.570 the podcast and then finally the Compensatory 00:49:22.570 --> 00:49:25.489 blessings were compensated and so our invitation 00:49:25.489 --> 00:49:28.230 is going to be as we go through this is just 00:49:28.230 --> 00:49:31.320 to keep coming back, keep coming back and enjoy 00:49:31.320 --> 00:49:35.400 and joining us in what we're doing here. So as 00:49:35.400 --> 00:49:37.219 we close today, we just wanna say wherever you 00:49:37.219 --> 00:49:39.679 are, however you're feeling, you're welcome here. 00:49:40.280 --> 00:49:43.820 Jesus isn't just waiting for you to clean everything 00:49:43.820 --> 00:49:46.860 up before you come to him. He meets us right 00:49:46.860 --> 00:49:50.480 where, right in the middle of our mess. That's 00:49:50.480 --> 00:49:54.280 where his grace shines brightest. So come as 00:49:54.280 --> 00:50:00.250 you are, broken. hopeful, questioning, searching. 00:50:00.630 --> 00:50:03.909 You're not alone. And we'd love to stay connected 00:50:03.909 --> 00:50:06.110 with you. So if you have thoughts or questions, 00:50:06.269 --> 00:50:09.550 if you have stories you want to share, and if 00:50:09.550 --> 00:50:11.190 you want to send some words of encouragement 00:50:11.190 --> 00:50:14.710 to Deb for just kicking this thing off with us, 00:50:14.949 --> 00:50:18.110 that'd be great, too. You can do that. He redeems 00:50:18.110 --> 00:50:21.130 us at gmail .com. We read every email. We'll 00:50:21.130 --> 00:50:25.750 try and respond to all that we can, either in 00:50:25.750 --> 00:50:29.769 person or on the podcast itself. And if this 00:50:29.769 --> 00:50:32.789 episode or any other episode touched your heart, 00:50:33.110 --> 00:50:35.690 we hope you'll share it with someone you love. 00:50:36.610 --> 00:50:39.969 A friend, a family member, anyone who could use 00:50:39.969 --> 00:50:43.630 a little more hope right now. So next week we're 00:50:43.630 --> 00:50:47.800 going to talk about who we are. and whose we 00:50:47.800 --> 00:50:50.599 are, why that's important in the grand scheme 00:50:50.599 --> 00:50:53.960 of things. And we're going to build on how to 00:50:53.960 --> 00:50:56.460 access and the importance of the atonement of 00:50:56.460 --> 00:50:59.800 Jesus Christ in our lives one step at a time. 00:51:00.519 --> 00:51:02.500 Thank you so much for being with us, friends. 00:51:02.679 --> 00:51:05.920 And remember, there's always hope through Him, 00:51:06.480 --> 00:51:10.239 because you have been, and I have been, redeemed 00:51:10.239 --> 00:51:13.079 through His blood. Thanks for being with us, 00:51:13.079 --> 00:51:14.579 everybody. We look forward to being with you 00:51:14.579 --> 00:51:17.989 again, and until then... See you next time. Be 00:51:17.989 --> 00:51:18.289 well