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Welcome out to another episode of Redeemed Through

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His Blood. I'm Scott Durfey, and I have a couple

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of guests with me today, one that you're pretty

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accustomed to. Hi, Dave. Yeah. Probably bored

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with. Not even close. David Durfey, how are you

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David? I'm good, Scott. I'm good. This is my,

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my last podcast for a while. Oh man. Yeah, that.

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For a while we'll. That brings up. Pick it up

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when I get home from Australia and I'll have

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lots of stories to. Sure. Yeah, that'll be awesome,

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too. I can tell you about spiders and all kinds

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of things. Yeah, we can't wait. I experience

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in Australia. For sure. I hope to have at least

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one kangaroo story. Yeah. Maybe a koala. For

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sure. Yeah. Maybe a wombat. I don't know. That's

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my extended knowledge of Australia. Yeah. And

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koalas. They have koalas and all kinds of things

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that I hope to see. Yeah, I hope you do too.

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Well, so yeah, we're gonna miss Dave. This has

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been an amazing experience over the last few

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years and thankful to you, Scott. Man, I can't

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tell you this kind of become the Holy of Holies.

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Yeah, for me, too. This little room and all the

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yeah, this little room does kind of facilitate

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a lot of growth and healing. I worked a fifth

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step with the Young man here just recently and

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I'll be doing another one You know what's the

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fifth step steps where we talk about all that

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that's our personal inventory Okay in alcoholics

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anonymous the four steps. We take a personal

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inventory We acknowledge everything we've done

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wrong. We know and things that have done, too

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We just it's just an inventory and then we share

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that where do you make the list where? And step

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four? Yeah, four. Make a list of all the people

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that you hurt and offended. No, that's eight.

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Step four is made a personal inventory. That's

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where I hear a lot of people get hung up is on

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eight. Oh yeah, yeah. Well, eight, four and five

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too. If somebody doesn't do four and five, they

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won't get sober. And it's the same with eight

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and nine. Eight and nine are tied together, but

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that's not the purpose of our podcast today.

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I'm super excited to have my sweetheart with

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us today. You know, we talk about the holy of

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this room kind of being, I hate to call it a

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holy of holies, but it does have a sacred feel

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to it. But when Deb comes in this room, that

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elevates. Yeah, for sure. That even gets higher.

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Also gets better looking. And that was my next

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comment, for sure. As handsome as Dave is, to

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have Deb sitting across from me for the next

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year and a half, and maybe even beyond that,

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maybe we'll be a trio then, who knows? But I'm

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really looking forward to it. Hi, Deb. Hello.

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Hi, everyone. Say hi to everybody, will you?

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Hello, everyone. Yeah, Deb's been a little bit,

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I don't know if I'd use the word apprehensive.

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Oh, you could use apprehensive, for sure. A little

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bit apprehensive to do. You wanna tell us why

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you're doing it? So I, in the past I just kept

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saying no, absolutely not. No, no, you and Dave

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would do a great job. But I think it's because

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Dave and I have the same initials. Deb Durfey,

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Dave Durfee, I think that's kind of what happened.

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That's gotta be it. DD. Yeah. We're the DDs.

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No, I really did resist a lot. And when you said,

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you know what, pray about it. And I even was

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resistant about that. But when I finally did

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pray about it, I had an overwhelming, a very

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overwhelming feeling of you can do hard things.

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And I also tell my institute, our institute kids.

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No growing in the comfort zone and no comfort

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in the growing zone. So just so you know, I'm

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very uncomfortable. Looking forward to growth.

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That's good. A lot of growth. A lot of growth.

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Well, super excited to have you, sweetheart.

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So this week, we will be releasing. This is our

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this is our final episode of season three. We'll

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begin season four when Deb and I begin recording,

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hopefully next week. But we began season one,

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episode one, I believe, was actually on Easter.

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And so how appropriate, Dave, that here we are.

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You know, first shall be last and the last shall

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be first. Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah. So we started

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this way. I'm going to finish this way. So grateful

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that Deb's going to continue. But yes, Scott,

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and that seems to be appropriate because I think

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the heart and center of everything that we do

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on this podcast is just that one needful thing

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that, you know, our faith in Jesus Christ and

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really understanding His life. There's, I think,

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such an important part of our faith in Christ.

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It's not really enough if you want the faith

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of power in Christ to just know that He died

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for you and that He was resurrected. I mean,

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if you really want faith in the Lord Jesus Christ

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and His Atonement, you have to study it. You

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have to. Because there's a spirit behind it.

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It's not necessarily knowing the facts about

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it. It's the spirit that comes by by studying

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it and by Having a vision and and kind of seeing

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it with the eye of faith You know what he what

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he actually did and the last week of his life

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this You know this Easter season that we're celebrating

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is is really the major focus of all the gospel

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writers It's interesting, Scott, that, for example,

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the Gospel of John, 40 % of the Gospel of John,

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more than 40 % of the Gospel of John is spent

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on the last week of the Savior's life. Now, the

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Savior lived 33 years. Out of 33 years, He spends

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almost half of His Gospel just describing the

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last week of the Savior's life. That's important,

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and John wrote for the saints. You know, Matthew

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wrote for the Jews, and Mark was for the Romans,

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and Luke for the Gentiles, and John, he wrote

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to the church. And here we are at the church.

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The Gospel of John was for us, and he spends

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half of his Gospel describing the last week.

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I think that's really an important aspect of

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my faith, is understanding the week of Easter.

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And I think that if we would all study it as

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individuals and families, it would strengthen

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our faith in Jesus Christ, which leads to repentance,

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which is the beginning of the doctrine of Christ.

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So, anyway, I'm really thankful that we started

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that way, and I'm thankful that we're going to

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end that way. Talking about the events of the

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last week. I've been thinking about this a lot

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over the last couple of days. This episode being

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together, you know, kind of for the last time

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in a year and a half for a year and a half. And

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obviously there's some emotion attached to that,

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too. But where the real emotion for me comes

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as we prepared. you know, have been preparing

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for this podcast. And I think the way we prepare

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for this podcast is the way we should be preparing

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for life. It's just really, as you said, diving

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in and really making a study of not just what

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he said, not just what he did, but maybe even,

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you know, accepting the invitation to look unto

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me in every thought like we read about in Doctrine

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and Covenants 6, but then to follow that up to,

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you know, fill the prints of the nails in my

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hands and my feet and to actually go there. You

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know, we've talked right from the very beginning,

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David, gratitude. Can really grow our desire

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to follow him to be like him and I think it's

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through that study And that's the beginning of

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everything Scott it all comes down to desire

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Really? I mean the reason people do what they

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do is because of desire and yeah If in fact as

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I have learned for myself at least for me It's

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true that gratitude is always the beginning of

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desire and if I lack if I lack desire it's because

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I can go back to the source. I lack gratitude.

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And if I can change that, I can change my desires.

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That's true for me. I've seen that be true for

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other individuals. I think that's an absolute

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principle and fact, an absolute truth. So studying

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the last week, it ought to fill us with gratitude,

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which then will increase our desires to be disciples.

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So, you know, this is this is awesome and I know

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it takes time to do that and people need to slow

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down and Spend maybe a little less time focusing

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upon the worldly aspects of Easter and to really

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focus upon the the spiritual aspects of Easter

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That would make such a difference all the difference,

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right? That would probably make all the difference.

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I love how and Deb's had a lot of comments around

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this maybe W you'd chime in here, but, um, we,

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uh, we just finished conference, general conference,

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April, 2025 just came to completion. Wow. Right.

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I mean, you know, all the, all the stuff that

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we talk about in the podcast, David, um, was

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talked about in conference, uh, and, and, you

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know, with even greater authority and conviction

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as it's coming through. But, you know, the things

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that we learned there, one of the main things

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that was really emphasized there was our worshipful

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attitudes around the Easter season. Deb, you've

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had some experiences with that this year, some

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internal experiences, maybe some external experiences.

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Share those with us. Yeah, about three years

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ago, I was asked to give a talk in sacrament

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meeting about Easter. And there were two of us

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that spoke in church and the gentleman that spoke

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before me took the entire meeting. I had two

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minutes to deliver my message at the end and

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I I I sat there and I thought wow this is really

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sad because I really learned a lot. And then

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I just push pause and reflected on what a gift

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that was for me to dig and to search and and

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to really look at. the events of Easter and the

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traditions of Easter and the Holy Week and the

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Savior's life. And each year since, and even

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we had the opportunity to go to Israel and walk

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on those holy grounds, oh my word, and to be

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able to be on the Sea of Galilee and just feel,

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touch, and I'm more of a feel person. You'll

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notice I am not a huge word person and so I have

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a hard time sometimes articulating exactly what

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I'm feeling but the things that were so amazing

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for me in from that moment up until even this

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Easter is just the fact that This Easter season,

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I have been very present and intentional on paying

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attention to those bright colors that come out

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of that dead ground. Paying attention to the

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blossoms that come out on the tree and how everything

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points to Christ. Everything. And I just I love

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how on that we were able to. Right, go. Listen.

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to conference and every single speaker testified

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of Jesus Christ, talked about his life. And I

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remember in April of 2023 when Bonnie Corden

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talked about never give up the opportunity to

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testify of Jesus Christ. And I just think what

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a gift and what an opportunity to not only sit

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at the feet of these disciples and prophets but

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to feel that the Holy Ghost testify to me and

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then to be able to even look forward to Holy

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Week. I mean in this Sunday is Palm Sunday and

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my intention is to hyper focus on the events

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of Palm Sunday. Anyway, it's been, I've had a

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lot of feels. That's really awesome. That's sweet,

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Deb. I'm so thankful for the church and the little

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course of correction that President Nelson has

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made in the church in celebrating Easter. You

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know, I have felt that for so many years that

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we do such a great job, you know, celebrating

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Christmas, but Wow, we haven't been very good

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celebrating Easter, and that's changing in the

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church, which I'm so grateful for. I think it

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really all started maybe with President Hinckley's

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statement years ago, you know, when he said that

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there would be no Christmas if there would have

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been no Easter. And that kind of began the ball

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rolling, and I think every year we get a little

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better. I'm really thankful that every day of

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this coming week, beginning with the triumphal

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entry on Sunday, Palm Sunday, that we have videos

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to watch and references to study. I know I used

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to make my own and hand them out this time of

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year to my classes and faculty, and that's all

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done. done now on the Church's website, which

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is so, so great with videos to accompany those

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events. So we are doing so good. And there, you

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know, there's another tradition. Let's talk about

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just Easter in general for a minute here, Scott.

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I think one thing people always wonder, a question

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I used to always get asked, is why is Easter

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on a different weekend every year? Why is the

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date, you know, Christmas is always on the 25th

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of December, but Easter is always on a different

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day every year. And the reason that is, is because

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of, we follow, to try to be a little more accurate,

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we follow the Jewish lunar calendar, which is

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determined by the moon and not the Roman solar

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calendar. And so based upon the lunar calendar,

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Easter is always the first Sunday after the first

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full moon after spring equinox. So spring equinox,

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right, is March 21st. First full moon after that,

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whenever that is, and then the first Sunday after

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that. Always is when we celebrate Easter. And

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there's some Eastern Orthodox churches and a

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few other religions, they have a little bit different

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Easter because they go by the Julian calendar,

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and we go by the Gregorian calendar. So some

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people might find it strange why Easter is listed

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twice. their calendar, if they look at it, and

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one is for the Orthodox Eastern religions, which

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go by the Julian calendar. Caesar, Julius Caesar,

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started a calendar, which is not as accurate

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as the Gregorian calendar, which Pope Gregory

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started in about 1500. And anyway, so it's kind

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of interesting to understand that, but I I just

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really want us today to get into the last events

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of Easter and to celebrate it as a week, not

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as a day, but Easter season. First time I heard

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the term Easter season was Elder Holland in general

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conference about seven, eight, nine years ago.

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He said we should celebrate it as a season. True.

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I have a friend that I grew up with. You know

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who they are probably, but his family was Greek

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Orthodox. He wasn't Buddhist. And so they celebrated

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Orthodox Easter. Yeah. And it was incredible.

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You know, some of the Greek Orthodox religions

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have really great Easter traditions. And one

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of them, which I wish my own family would adopt,

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is that on Easter, and then for 40 days after,

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that whenever they greeted someone, they would

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say, he is risen. And the other person would

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say, indeed, he is risen. That was the formal

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way they would greet one another, or truly, he

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is risen. And they would say that for 40 days

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from the time of Easter and the resurrection

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until his ascension. 40 days, you know, when

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He came back and then 40 days ascended. They

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would say that for 40 days. That would be the

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kind of the formal greeting. And I thought, man,

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I wish my own family could do that. You know,

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they would say, Christ is risen or He is risen.

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Indeed, He is risen. We're gonna practice that,

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Scott. 40 days after Easter. I'm down for 40

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days. And then, you know, for 40 days before

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Easter, the Protestants and Catholics celebrate

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Lent, where they sacrifice something, give up

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something, thinking about the coming of Easter.

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I mean, you know, if you did that 40 days before

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and 40 days after, you got three months. Almost

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three months of an Easter season and I just wish

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We could expand it even from a week. Yeah two

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weeks Yeah of celebrating Easter. We do Christmas.

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Yeah, but we start celebrating Christmas now

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after Halloween Yeah, but it's not we don't celebrate

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it. We commercialize it I know I don't I don't

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well that never happened. We start listening

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at least to music. Yeah Okay, you do. Yeah, I

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do right after Halloween Deb does too, actually.

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I've actually had Christmas songs in my head.

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Yeah, yeah. Well, so, you know, the traditions,

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traditions of Easter and all of us should just

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kind of review that and try to make our own family

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Easter traditions that would point our minds

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and our hearts to the Savior. Agreed. Well, Dave,

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then I think maybe a way, I don't know the best

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way, but a way to kind of approach our recognition,

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even our worship, even our being with Easter,

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beginning Sunday. I mean, it's beginning for

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all of us, probably has quite a bit ago, you

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know, especially with conference, general conference

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just having passed. But Dave, I think as we prepare,

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I remember a Palm Sunday, Deb and I went, we

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were in Dallas, Texas at a friend's home. They're

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very, very strong. religious Protestant people

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and we went with them to a Palm Sunday experience.

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That was just an amazing experience for us, Deb,

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wasn't it? And then... I love how they teed up

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the entire week with that celebration, that worship

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of Heavenly Father and Jesus because of what

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He did beginning on that Palm Sunday. So maybe

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we just take each day, kind of go through each

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day of the Holy Week. You've got a lot of insights

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for us. I think Deb does as well. So maybe let's

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just, can we just? Yeah, let's start with Sunday.

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Palm Sunday, so we call this triumphal entry

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the triumphal entry. Yeah wipe wipe home. What's

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the poem? Yeah, so the palms this is really cool

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this and you know and I knew this but to have

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a Physical learning experience with this we had

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that in Texas when we were there on Palm Sunday.

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We waved the palms You know, so what this is,

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so Palm Sunday, the waving of palms is a way

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to recognize royalty. Yeah, they would wave them

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and they would lay them in front of his white

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donkey. It was like rolling out the red carpet.

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Yeah. So they'd place down these palm leaves.

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in front of Jesus as he rode into Jerusalem on

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a white donkey, which was a kind of a reenactment

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of David. And it was fulfilling of Zechariah's

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prophecy too. Prophecy as well as a reenactment

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of the King David as he rode into Bethlehem and

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established his kingship over Israel. It was

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symbolic of all of that. I also don't think it's

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a coincidence. That a palm is a palm Like if

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you think of the palm of the hand if we wave

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our hands I mean there's things we do with our

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hands and our palms in the church as well waving

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or raising or I That just came to me. Well, that's

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what's the scripture. I have I have engraved

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thee upon the palms of my hands Isaiah in the

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Book of Mormon And we sustain and we testify

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with our palms as one. Yeah. That's awesome.

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That's great. Many of these people in this procession,

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as they witnessed, there would have been a throng

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of them. This is also Passover, Scott and Deb.

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And there would have been millions of people

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in Jerusalem at this time who have come back

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for Passover. They're celebrating Passover, you

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know, this week. as will all of the Jews all

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over the world celebrate Passover this week.

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And anyway, as he comes in with all of these

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people, and I don't know how many were actually

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in the parade or following him or lined the streets,

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but there would have been probably thousands.

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And many of them are raising their palms and...

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and laying palms and celebrating this, and they

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are shouting, Hosanna! You know, they're, Hosanna,

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save us! They're recognizing Him as the Savior

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and Redeemer. But by the end of this week, there

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will be another crowd, and maybe some of the

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same people in that crowd who are chanting, crucify

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Him. crucify him. So what happened in that week

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to change him from a celebration and Hosanna

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to the end of the week seeking to destroy his

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life, chanting crucify him? I just think that's

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a fascinating way to kind of couch this last

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week, how it starts and then how it goes downhill

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and how it ends, and really not downhill, because

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this was all, of course, the way God had designed

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it would go, and Jesus kind of makes that happen

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by calling out the Jews, and this is where all

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hell really, really breaks loose by the end of

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the week. So Sunday he comes and rides in triumphal

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entry. He's probably at the evening staying with

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Mary and Martha and Lazarus in Bethany or nearby.

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It's assumed that he's staying with them. There

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are probably many others of his friends and family

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who are staying there or in the area, including

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his mother Mary. His father Joseph has probably

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passed. and would probably be one of the first

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to greet Him when He dies on Friday. Joseph,

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the carpenter. Anyway, so Jesus is staying in

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Bethany, and every day He's going to go into

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Jerusalem except Wednesday, and Wednesday is

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probably just a day of rest. On Monday, as He,

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with some of His disciples and followers, goes

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into Jerusalem, just outside of Jerusalem. Bethany,

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by the way, is about six miles south of Jerusalem,

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so this would be quite a walk, really. They'd

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start early in the morning in order to get there.

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They passed a victory, and I just think it's

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so interesting that Jesus, everything Jesus touched,

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you know, He healed. He was always healing things.

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We only know one thing that he killed, and that

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was a victory. And it was a powerful, powerful

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symbol. So he curses his victory, and the reason

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he curses it is because there's no fruit. It's

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bearing no fruit. This is the spring of the year.

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There's probably no blossoms on it, really. It's

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not that it's too early for there to be really

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fruit, but it's just he knows it's going to be

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barren. He says something about that, and then

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he curses it. And when they go back near the

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end of the day or the next day, they comment

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that the tree is dead. Really like what he says

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about that that You know that we are not we're

00:27:19.970 --> 00:27:25.109
not born to be fig trees Baron fig trees, we're

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not born to be shade trees you know we are we

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are to be examples and doers of the word and

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to be To be bare to be bearing fruit to be to

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be fruitful So anyway, that's that's what happens

00:27:43.529 --> 00:27:46.809
on Monday and then he goes to the temple immediately

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Arriving in Jerusalem and and there they are

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Because it's Passover again. There's the money

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changers because people from the Jews have come

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from all over You know hundreds of miles from

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all over the Middle East to celebrate the Passover

00:28:02.470 --> 00:28:07.259
and there's the money changers the Jewish leaders

00:28:07.259 --> 00:28:12.920
making money off those travelers by Trading in

00:28:12.920 --> 00:28:17.740
their money for temple coins It's just so corrupt

00:28:17.740 --> 00:28:22.480
and Jesus hates that and so for the second time

00:28:22.480 --> 00:28:26.420
second recorded time I Think he actually did

00:28:26.420 --> 00:28:29.000
it every Passover. I just don't think it's recorded,

00:28:29.019 --> 00:28:33.059
but I think he every Passover he did this and

00:28:33.059 --> 00:28:37.990
he turns over the tables and he condemns this

00:28:37.990 --> 00:28:42.589
practice, and this was maybe the third strike

00:28:42.589 --> 00:28:46.990
for the Jewish leaders. So that really started

00:28:46.990 --> 00:28:50.710
the despise of the Jewish leaders. They had been

00:28:50.710 --> 00:28:54.309
trying to kill him really since Lazarus' resurrection,

00:28:54.509 --> 00:28:57.819
you know, that miracle. They knew then that it

00:28:57.819 --> 00:29:01.000
was not going to be enough to just argue with

00:29:01.000 --> 00:29:04.740
him or debate him or try to disprove him. The

00:29:04.740 --> 00:29:07.539
only way they were going to be able to overthrow

00:29:07.539 --> 00:29:11.039
his authority and the threat that he was. The

00:29:11.039 --> 00:29:14.599
only way they could put down the threat to their

00:29:14.599 --> 00:29:17.519
establishment was to kill him. So really they

00:29:17.519 --> 00:29:20.269
were trying to not just kill Jesus. But they

00:29:20.269 --> 00:29:22.970
were trying to kill Lazarus. Yeah. And this had

00:29:22.970 --> 00:29:26.109
been really their their plan. They had a plan

00:29:26.109 --> 00:29:28.869
and they were ready to put it into place. So

00:29:28.869 --> 00:29:32.069
it's not just that Jesus overthrew some money

00:29:32.069 --> 00:29:34.930
changers tables that made them want to kill him.

00:29:35.269 --> 00:29:38.750
They had been really actively planning this for

00:29:38.750 --> 00:29:41.369
the last six months. Yeah, trying to put it together.

00:29:41.470 --> 00:29:45.089
And why would they wanting be wanting to kill

00:29:45.089 --> 00:29:48.269
Lazarus, Dave? Well, because he was that he was.

00:29:48.509 --> 00:29:52.230
physical evidence. He was physical evidence that

00:29:52.230 --> 00:29:57.970
Jesus was a God. Because he had been risen from

00:29:57.970 --> 00:30:02.569
the dead. Jesus had intentionally waited three

00:30:02.569 --> 00:30:05.970
days to do that when the spirit would leave the

00:30:05.970 --> 00:30:11.009
body according to Jewish beliefs. Wow, what a

00:30:11.009 --> 00:30:14.650
miracle of miracles. Lazarus was so so there

00:30:14.650 --> 00:30:17.150
was a conspiracy to kill both of them. I want

00:30:17.150 --> 00:30:19.130
to back up just a little bit I want to read from

00:30:19.130 --> 00:30:22.309
Matthew chapter 21 This is beginning in verse

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12 and Jesus went into the temple of God and

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cast all all them that sold and bought in the

00:30:27.369 --> 00:30:29.730
temple and Overthrew the tables of the money

00:30:29.730 --> 00:30:32.730
changers and the seats of them that sold doves

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And he said unto them it is written my house

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why doves because this was an offering for the

00:30:38.019 --> 00:30:40.240
poor the poor You know that if you didn't have

00:30:40.240 --> 00:30:43.259
a lamb you could offer some doves So, you know

00:30:43.259 --> 00:30:45.339
the and if you didn't have a dove with you you

00:30:45.339 --> 00:30:47.680
would come to Jerusalem and you wouldn't through

00:30:47.680 --> 00:30:51.180
the money The doves so that you would have that

00:30:51.180 --> 00:30:53.660
the Jewish leaders ripping people off So he's

00:30:53.660 --> 00:30:55.740
then he says in my house my house is called the

00:30:55.740 --> 00:30:57.539
house of prayer and you've made it a den of thieves

00:30:57.799 --> 00:31:00.140
OK, I mean, so there's the story. That's not

00:31:00.140 --> 00:31:02.700
where the story ends. Right. So we think of this

00:31:02.700 --> 00:31:05.880
this Jesus who has had this experience and some

00:31:05.880 --> 00:31:09.380
people I've even seen it portrayed on film and

00:31:09.380 --> 00:31:12.440
whatnot that he was really angry. I don't think

00:31:12.440 --> 00:31:14.640
that that's how he was. I know Jesus would have

00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:17.500
been in total control. I think his anger and

00:31:17.500 --> 00:31:21.440
my anger are not. They're just different experiences.

00:31:21.920 --> 00:31:24.579
And so he has this experience. But then in 14,

00:31:25.059 --> 00:31:27.920
and the blind and the lame came to the temple

00:31:27.920 --> 00:31:31.660
and he healed them. So it wasn't a destructive

00:31:31.660 --> 00:31:34.839
Jesus. It was a healing Jesus. And even what

00:31:34.839 --> 00:31:37.240
may appear to be destructive was healing. It

00:31:37.240 --> 00:31:40.460
was healing the house of the Lord, changing it

00:31:40.460 --> 00:31:42.400
from a den of thieves to the house of the Lord.

00:31:42.519 --> 00:31:45.420
It's the only time really that we get some idea

00:31:45.420 --> 00:31:51.420
that Jesus was the wrath of Jesus. I think Jesus

00:31:51.420 --> 00:31:53.319
was angry, but not the way we would be angry.

00:31:53.500 --> 00:31:56.240
He wouldn't feel what we were feeling, and he

00:31:56.240 --> 00:31:58.720
certainly wasn't out of control in his emotions

00:31:58.720 --> 00:32:02.140
or his actions. But this is the wrath of Jesus,

00:32:03.099 --> 00:32:07.180
and it's evidence of what he feels. about the

00:32:07.180 --> 00:32:10.599
house of the Lord, or the house of Elohim, the

00:32:10.599 --> 00:32:14.200
house of God, and it's so sacred to Him. And

00:32:14.200 --> 00:32:17.500
for these people to come in and bring animals

00:32:17.500 --> 00:32:22.160
and turn it into some mall or courtyard where

00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:26.039
people are making money and not even honestly,

00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:32.170
it infuriates Him, really. This causes me to

00:32:32.170 --> 00:32:35.009
self -reflect on what I take into the temple

00:32:35.009 --> 00:32:38.690
because sometimes I am in a hurry when I enter

00:32:38.690 --> 00:32:42.509
the temple and sometimes Not necessarily maybe

00:32:42.509 --> 00:32:44.950
a resentment of some crazy driver that got in

00:32:44.950 --> 00:32:46.650
my way. So now I'm gonna be late for whatever

00:32:46.650 --> 00:32:49.069
session I'm trying to hurry to or whatever. Yeah,

00:32:49.269 --> 00:32:51.390
but you know what? It really helps. I mean that

00:32:51.390 --> 00:32:56.700
makes me self -reflect on what I treating the

00:32:56.700 --> 00:33:00.700
temple in a holier way. Are you taking in commercial,

00:33:01.380 --> 00:33:03.839
worldly thoughts? Yes, absolutely. It's not just

00:33:03.839 --> 00:33:07.220
what you so much wear into the temple, but the

00:33:07.220 --> 00:33:09.440
thoughts and emotions that you have going into

00:33:09.440 --> 00:33:11.660
the temple. Hundred percent. Yeah. That's good.

00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:13.920
If you're going to go to the house of the Lord,

00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:16.579
He wants it to be humble, and He wants it to

00:33:16.579 --> 00:33:20.259
be holy, and He wants it to be honest. And then

00:33:20.259 --> 00:33:22.599
He does those healings in the temple, right,

00:33:22.599 --> 00:33:27.109
on Monday? and they return back to Bethany. So

00:33:27.109 --> 00:33:30.789
we don't have a lot recorded on Monday. On Tuesday,

00:33:31.049 --> 00:33:34.029
Scott, we have so much recorded, especially in

00:33:34.029 --> 00:33:37.529
the book of Matthew, on what he does on Tuesday.

00:33:38.049 --> 00:33:42.650
I mean, we have where he, in chapter 23, he goes

00:33:42.650 --> 00:33:45.609
again to the temple and he really lets the...

00:33:45.660 --> 00:33:48.680
the Sadducees, and the Pharisees, and the Sanhedrin.

00:33:49.039 --> 00:33:52.420
He really lets them have it. I mean, it's scathing,

00:33:52.420 --> 00:33:57.240
you know, to call them, you know, whited sepulchers,

00:33:57.599 --> 00:34:01.960
and he just calls them out, you know, hypocrites.

00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:07.779
He condemns in every way possible, and I'm sure

00:34:07.779 --> 00:34:11.659
some of it's not even recorded, of the hatred.

00:34:11.699 --> 00:34:13.579
I don't think that's too strong a word here.

00:34:13.900 --> 00:34:16.159
the one thing He hated more than anything else

00:34:16.159 --> 00:34:18.980
was their self -righteousness. I think that's

00:34:18.980 --> 00:34:22.480
true for... And hypocrisy, right? Hypocrisy and

00:34:22.480 --> 00:34:25.500
self -righteousness. There's nothing that I think

00:34:25.500 --> 00:34:28.199
Jesus hates more than that. More than anything,

00:34:28.260 --> 00:34:33.559
He hates that. And He just really lets them have

00:34:33.559 --> 00:34:38.599
it in Matthew chapter 23. To me, it's probably

00:34:38.599 --> 00:34:40.840
one of my least favorite chapters in the New

00:34:40.840 --> 00:34:45.710
Testament. It's uncomfortable, and to be honest,

00:34:45.949 --> 00:34:49.369
I know it's true, and I know that the Spirit

00:34:49.369 --> 00:34:51.829
of the Lord can testify that it's true, but it's

00:34:51.829 --> 00:34:56.530
kind of hard to read. Anyway, that's Matthew

00:34:56.530 --> 00:35:03.190
23, and then after all of that, that just infuriates

00:35:03.190 --> 00:35:09.110
the Jewish authorities, and man, before the end

00:35:09.110 --> 00:35:10.849
of this week, they're going to make sure that

00:35:10.849 --> 00:35:16.360
he's dead. So doesn't doesn't he on this day

00:35:16.360 --> 00:35:20.739
also? Fortel the destruction of the temple so

00:35:20.739 --> 00:35:23.920
He brings that up. He's brought that up before

00:35:23.920 --> 00:35:27.219
yeah, you know he brought that up Six months

00:35:27.219 --> 00:35:30.739
to a year before Scott that a temple be destroyed

00:35:30.739 --> 00:35:34.500
in three or days. I'll raise it up he talks about

00:35:34.500 --> 00:35:40.179
that as a Prophecy to his disciples to the Jews

00:35:40.179 --> 00:35:45.949
in another previous to coming to Jerusalem. But

00:35:45.949 --> 00:35:50.289
anyway, and that evening, so poignant that he

00:35:50.289 --> 00:35:55.690
goes up on the Mount of Olives. Oh, Jerusalem,

00:35:55.829 --> 00:35:59.269
Jerusalem, how I've loved you and would have

00:35:59.269 --> 00:36:02.210
gathered you as a hand gathers her chicks, but

00:36:02.210 --> 00:36:06.670
you would not. And it's also that evening on

00:36:06.670 --> 00:36:09.889
Tuesday evening where we get Matthew 24. which

00:36:09.889 --> 00:36:14.289
is really, I think, more accurate and better

00:36:14.289 --> 00:36:17.989
read in Joseph Smith Matthew. Joseph Smith Matthew

00:36:17.989 --> 00:36:21.610
is Matthew, the Joseph Smith translation of Matthew

00:36:21.610 --> 00:36:26.449
chapter 24 given on Tuesday, where he talks about

00:36:26.449 --> 00:36:30.269
his second coming. And he's with just his disciples

00:36:30.269 --> 00:36:34.429
here, and they ask him, and he gives them Matthew

00:36:34.429 --> 00:36:39.320
chapter 24. So I really love that. chapter, especially

00:36:39.320 --> 00:36:44.059
studied in Joseph Smith Matthew. So that's Tuesday,

00:36:44.179 --> 00:36:47.360
and that evening they go home probably very late.

00:36:47.820 --> 00:36:50.699
Tuesday is a big day, and there's lots recorded

00:36:50.699 --> 00:36:55.159
on what Jesus did on Tuesday. On Wednesday, we

00:36:55.159 --> 00:36:57.579
don't have really anything recorded on Wednesday,

00:36:57.880 --> 00:37:02.360
Scott. He just rests with his friends. This is

00:37:02.360 --> 00:37:05.699
his last day to be with them, really. He knows

00:37:05.699 --> 00:37:11.139
that after after Wednesday, it's going to go

00:37:11.139 --> 00:37:15.719
downhill pretty fast. And so he's just with his

00:37:15.719 --> 00:37:20.239
mother, Mary, and his best friends and his closest

00:37:20.239 --> 00:37:25.860
disciples, his apostles. Someday I hope to have

00:37:25.860 --> 00:37:30.800
a record of some of those events on Wednesday,

00:37:31.360 --> 00:37:34.690
which were maybe too sacred for them to... to

00:37:34.690 --> 00:37:36.469
share with us. There's a lot of stuff going on

00:37:36.469 --> 00:37:39.610
behind the scenes Wednesday, too. Yeah. Yeah,

00:37:39.769 --> 00:37:43.130
there's a conspiracy continues. Exactly. Continues.

00:37:43.449 --> 00:37:46.610
Judas kind of finalizes his betrayal for 30 pieces

00:37:46.610 --> 00:37:51.329
of silver. Right. Yeah. So the Jews are conspiring

00:37:51.329 --> 00:37:54.809
and Judas as well. And Judas has made his deal

00:37:54.809 --> 00:37:59.510
to betray Jesus for 30 pieces of silver. also

00:37:59.510 --> 00:38:03.469
a prophecy fulfilled, and 30 pieces of silver,

00:38:03.710 --> 00:38:07.590
a price of a slave. So, a lot of symbolism there,

00:38:07.670 --> 00:38:10.789
and that's taking place on Wednesday. On Thursday,

00:38:12.769 --> 00:38:17.710
Jesus tells Peter and John to make arrangements

00:38:17.710 --> 00:38:23.639
for their Passover celebration. So they go in,

00:38:24.159 --> 00:38:27.739
and following Jesus' instructions, they find

00:38:27.739 --> 00:38:32.739
a man, which is probably John Mark, or same Mark,

00:38:32.820 --> 00:38:36.380
we believe, as who wrote the Gospels, that he's

00:38:36.380 --> 00:38:41.159
got a room for them, a home where they can meet.

00:38:42.420 --> 00:38:47.460
John is his Jewish name, Mark is his Greek name.

00:38:47.519 --> 00:38:50.400
like to know more about him. He was a companion

00:38:50.400 --> 00:38:53.599
of Paul, and there's some history in several

00:38:53.599 --> 00:38:57.059
verses, several passages that talk about Mark

00:38:57.059 --> 00:39:01.260
and Paul's letters. But they find him, and they

00:39:01.260 --> 00:39:05.539
have these signs, and the room is prepared for

00:39:05.539 --> 00:39:11.559
the Last Supper. They, Thursday, go probably

00:39:11.559 --> 00:39:15.079
in the afternoon towards evening. The Passover

00:39:15.079 --> 00:39:19.900
will begin. When they see three stars is really

00:39:19.900 --> 00:39:25.320
when the next day begins. So Thursday, for us,

00:39:25.599 --> 00:39:28.039
Thursday goes until midnight, right? Thursday

00:39:28.039 --> 00:39:34.639
for them goes until dusk. And so, you know, sometimes

00:39:34.639 --> 00:39:37.320
chronologies of the gospel, you have to keep

00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:42.340
this in mind, that the real Friday begins when

00:39:42.340 --> 00:39:47.630
dusk on Thursday begins. And it goes until the

00:39:47.630 --> 00:39:50.289
following evening. They don't go from midnight

00:39:50.289 --> 00:39:54.150
to midnight. They go from dusk to dusk. So on

00:39:54.150 --> 00:40:00.449
Thursday is when they're killing the lambs. And

00:40:00.449 --> 00:40:03.670
they estimate, Scott, I read this the other day,

00:40:03.849 --> 00:40:06.550
they estimate that there would have been like

00:40:06.550 --> 00:40:12.409
260 ,000 lambs. Can you imagine the blood in

00:40:12.409 --> 00:40:18.400
the streets? to celebrate the Passover. I mean,

00:40:19.059 --> 00:40:23.300
that's crazy to think about that, but that was

00:40:23.300 --> 00:40:28.300
one estimate. And all of this is going on, and

00:40:28.300 --> 00:40:32.500
so they'll have lamb, the apostles, they're going

00:40:32.500 --> 00:40:34.800
to follow the Jewish tradition. This will be

00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:39.239
the last Passover. This Passover will be the

00:40:39.239 --> 00:40:43.260
last because Jesus fulfills the law. And there

00:40:43.260 --> 00:40:48.159
will be a new supper. There will be the new emblems

00:40:48.159 --> 00:40:51.179
of the sacrament that will be introduced to the

00:40:51.179 --> 00:40:55.480
disciples. And the slaughtering of lambs and

00:40:55.480 --> 00:40:59.719
the sacrifice of animals will end. And Jesus

00:40:59.719 --> 00:41:02.539
will make that pretty clear in the Last Supper

00:41:02.539 --> 00:41:06.400
Thursday night, or for them, that would be the

00:41:06.400 --> 00:41:08.760
beginning of Friday. Yeah. Even a new covenant,

00:41:09.039 --> 00:41:11.840
right? A new covenant. And He fulfills the law.

00:41:12.250 --> 00:41:15.690
And he tells them, it's not just enough to love

00:41:15.690 --> 00:41:19.710
God and your neighbor. I want you to love others

00:41:19.710 --> 00:41:23.670
as I have loved. A new commandment, he says.

00:41:24.050 --> 00:41:28.210
A new commandment I give to you that you love

00:41:28.210 --> 00:41:32.090
one another as I have loved you. There's five

00:41:32.090 --> 00:41:37.949
chapters in John on the Last Supper. Five chapters.

00:41:37.989 --> 00:41:43.360
There's no one event. we know more about than

00:41:43.360 --> 00:41:47.579
the Last Supper because of John recording that.

00:41:47.659 --> 00:41:51.800
Five chapters of his 21 chapters. There's only

00:41:51.800 --> 00:41:55.000
21 chapters in the Gospel of John, and five of

00:41:55.000 --> 00:42:00.440
them are on the Last Supper. By the way, some

00:42:00.440 --> 00:42:02.760
people may wonder, how can the chosen, the people

00:42:02.760 --> 00:42:05.199
that do the chosen, make a whole movie on the

00:42:05.199 --> 00:42:09.059
Last Supper? Well, that's why, because John recorded

00:42:09.059 --> 00:42:13.719
almost everything that happened there. Oh man,

00:42:13.880 --> 00:42:17.559
it's really amazing. So grateful for that too.

00:42:17.719 --> 00:42:22.119
Yeah, and there's so much to learn from it. Jesus

00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:25.039
washing their feet. This is a sacred ordinance.

00:42:25.519 --> 00:42:27.500
Nobody should be doing this in a Sunday school

00:42:27.500 --> 00:42:30.480
class. I've heard of that before, that a Sunday

00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:33.440
school teacher celebrating Easter wanted to wash

00:42:33.440 --> 00:42:38.030
his... His kids' feet. This is a sacred ordinance

00:42:38.030 --> 00:42:43.670
that should be so holy and sacred that it's only

00:42:43.670 --> 00:42:47.190
really preserved for the temple, to be honest.

00:42:47.710 --> 00:42:50.230
The washing and the anointing and those kinds

00:42:50.230 --> 00:42:52.809
of things should only be done in very sacred

00:42:52.809 --> 00:42:56.449
places by those in authority. But Jesus does

00:42:56.449 --> 00:42:59.829
this to introduce the fulfillment of the law

00:42:59.829 --> 00:43:05.699
in a really sacred We've already had opportunity

00:43:05.699 --> 00:43:08.280
throughout Jesus' life to see inside the man

00:43:08.280 --> 00:43:11.179
Jesus, inside his character and attributes and

00:43:11.179 --> 00:43:12.840
perfections and all those things. We've had that

00:43:12.840 --> 00:43:16.260
opportunity throughout his life. But today, in

00:43:16.260 --> 00:43:20.340
this instance, Dave, we get a glimpse that blows

00:43:20.340 --> 00:43:22.960
me away. You know, if I really think about it

00:43:22.960 --> 00:43:25.300
through mortal eyes and through my fallen self,

00:43:25.559 --> 00:43:28.719
it just blows me away. Jesus knew that Judas

00:43:28.719 --> 00:43:31.329
was going to betray him. Mm -hmm and had already

00:43:31.329 --> 00:43:35.349
in fact done so right? Jesus washed the feet

00:43:35.349 --> 00:43:38.670
of Judas. Yeah, he does You know if you read

00:43:38.670 --> 00:43:41.769
other McConkey's mortal Messiah, he has he kind

00:43:41.769 --> 00:43:44.989
of puts them He kind of arranges that the seating

00:43:44.989 --> 00:43:47.369
they'll be kind of seated in a square. They're

00:43:47.369 --> 00:43:50.780
not they're not like Leonardo da Vinci's painting

00:43:50.780 --> 00:43:53.039
the Last Supper where they're all on just one

00:43:53.039 --> 00:43:55.780
long table. Like we would probably eat a feast

00:43:55.780 --> 00:43:58.780
on one long table. This is on kind of a square.

00:43:59.260 --> 00:44:01.940
The Last Supper probably would have had four

00:44:01.940 --> 00:44:05.199
tables set up in something of a square or something

00:44:05.199 --> 00:44:09.719
like that. And they had this tradition that they

00:44:09.719 --> 00:44:12.699
would partake of the Passover meal. Leaning,

00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:17.119
sitting, the tables would be very low. Sometimes

00:44:17.119 --> 00:44:20.739
they would even be they would tie ropes from

00:44:20.739 --> 00:44:24.860
the ceiling to the table so that nothing would

00:44:24.860 --> 00:44:27.500
touch the floor. I mean, all of that could have

00:44:27.500 --> 00:44:32.179
been symbolic, but Elder McConkie puts Judas

00:44:32.179 --> 00:44:37.280
to the left of Jesus so that Jesus is leaning

00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:39.940
on his left side. All the disciples are leaning

00:44:39.940 --> 00:44:43.539
on their left side, kind of laying as they partake

00:44:43.539 --> 00:44:47.989
of the Last Supper. By tradition and Jesus follows

00:44:47.989 --> 00:44:50.889
this tradition and they're laying on these pillows

00:44:50.889 --> 00:44:56.449
and on their left side and You know after washing

00:44:56.449 --> 00:45:00.750
their feet including Judas's right He identifies

00:45:00.750 --> 00:45:04.590
his betrayer. Yep, and he probably Judas wants

00:45:04.590 --> 00:45:08.449
to be to his left because Judas There has been

00:45:08.449 --> 00:45:11.550
some contention Before the Last Supper really

00:45:11.550 --> 00:45:14.070
began the disciples were arguing about who's

00:45:14.070 --> 00:45:17.760
the most prominent and who gets to set where.

00:45:18.739 --> 00:45:22.159
Elder McConkie speculates that Judas started

00:45:22.159 --> 00:45:26.320
all of that. That his guilt had gotten the best

00:45:26.320 --> 00:45:30.920
of him and that he was really speculating about

00:45:30.920 --> 00:45:34.079
him being the most prominent and that he was

00:45:34.079 --> 00:45:38.239
going to, in Elder McConkie's mind, his betrayal

00:45:38.239 --> 00:45:42.579
as evil and as wicked as it was, that he thought,

00:45:42.780 --> 00:45:46.039
Judas perhaps, thought that by him betraying

00:45:46.039 --> 00:45:48.599
Jesus, that Jesus was really going to prove to

00:45:48.599 --> 00:45:51.280
the Jews once and for all that he could save

00:45:51.280 --> 00:45:59.159
himself. Having no idea by the spirit of the

00:45:59.159 --> 00:46:03.980
mind and will of God, Judas was trying to be

00:46:03.980 --> 00:46:07.420
most prominent. By selling them out being the

00:46:07.420 --> 00:46:11.480
treasurer of the 12 and sell out Jesus believing

00:46:11.480 --> 00:46:14.320
that Jesus would really Prove himself and if

00:46:14.320 --> 00:46:17.199
he didn't maybe he really wasn't the Christ after

00:46:17.199 --> 00:46:21.119
all. Yeah. Yeah, I mean Anyway, he's probably

00:46:21.119 --> 00:46:24.199
setting to his left and Jesus whispers and identifies

00:46:24.199 --> 00:46:27.159
him as the betrayer and he gets up and leaves

00:46:27.159 --> 00:46:31.619
before Jesus Initiates the sacrament Judas is

00:46:31.619 --> 00:46:36.440
gone after having his feet washed And then Jesus,

00:46:37.239 --> 00:46:42.119
some of His greatest teachings, right, are in

00:46:42.119 --> 00:46:45.840
the Last Supper, which Gratefully John recorded,

00:46:46.679 --> 00:46:51.340
about the Comforter, the Second Comforter, and

00:46:51.340 --> 00:46:55.000
the Holy Ghost, and all of these great discourses

00:46:55.000 --> 00:46:58.500
that He gives to the Twelve. And then it gets

00:46:58.500 --> 00:47:04.119
up to chapter 17, where we have the greatest

00:47:04.280 --> 00:47:09.340
prayer, I mean, we have the disciples in 3rd

00:47:09.340 --> 00:47:12.179
Nephi felt like they cannot record the words

00:47:12.179 --> 00:47:14.619
of the prayer Jesus uttered because it was too

00:47:14.619 --> 00:47:18.760
sacred, but we have the great intercessory prayer

00:47:18.760 --> 00:47:24.099
recorded in John chapter 17, which is amazing

00:47:24.099 --> 00:47:29.340
that to be able to hear the Son of God pray to

00:47:29.340 --> 00:47:33.750
His Father. Anyway, I Everyone should study the

00:47:33.750 --> 00:47:38.769
Great Intercessory Prayer on Thursday, if you're

00:47:38.769 --> 00:47:42.429
studying what happens day by day. I just really

00:47:42.429 --> 00:47:45.869
love that. And, you know, this is life eternal.

00:47:46.650 --> 00:47:48.670
Jesus praying to the Father, this is where He

00:47:48.670 --> 00:47:51.429
says that. This is life eternal, that they might

00:47:51.429 --> 00:47:56.409
know Thee, Father, and the Son, Jesus Christ,

00:47:56.469 --> 00:48:01.420
whom Thou hast sent. I mean, I... that we see

00:48:01.420 --> 00:48:04.239
so much of Jesus and His prayer for the disciples

00:48:04.239 --> 00:48:06.920
to be one as the Father and the Son are one.

00:48:08.019 --> 00:48:14.199
And then, after the prayer and the sacrament

00:48:14.199 --> 00:48:16.380
and all that takes place in that upper room,

00:48:16.559 --> 00:48:22.400
Scott, they sing the halil, which is from Psalms

00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:25.780
in preparation as tradition, Jewish tradition,

00:48:26.360 --> 00:48:30.429
and they sing some hymns. And they leave, and

00:48:30.429 --> 00:48:36.329
they walk over to Gethsemane. That's Thursday,

00:48:36.829 --> 00:48:40.090
and Gethsemane happens that night. Which again,

00:48:40.130 --> 00:48:44.369
for the Jews, is really Friday. But I don't know

00:48:44.369 --> 00:48:47.130
where people will be Thursday. Thursday night,

00:48:48.230 --> 00:48:52.250
we should all be thinking about the events of

00:48:52.250 --> 00:48:55.880
the Last Supper and Gethsemane. Specifically,

00:48:56.039 --> 00:48:59.659
the Last Supper is super important, but Gethsemane,

00:48:59.860 --> 00:49:03.019
again, this is where he invites us to see him.

00:49:04.099 --> 00:49:07.840
And this is really the second, the first being

00:49:07.840 --> 00:49:11.320
his sinless life, but the second event, the Atonement

00:49:11.320 --> 00:49:13.960
of Jesus Christ, Dave, is what's about to take

00:49:13.960 --> 00:49:18.239
place here in Gethsemane. Yeah, absolutely. Do

00:49:18.239 --> 00:49:21.579
you have any thoughts on the Last Supper? We

00:49:21.579 --> 00:49:23.739
didn't cover all of that or take enough time

00:49:23.739 --> 00:49:31.860
on it. My personal thought is the more I reflect

00:49:31.860 --> 00:49:35.980
and I look upon, I mean, when we were in Israel,

00:49:36.000 --> 00:49:40.480
I'm gonna go back to that, they had a Seder plate

00:49:40.480 --> 00:49:42.719
and they had all of the different things. Did

00:49:42.719 --> 00:49:45.719
you guys take the Passover in? No. Did they do

00:49:45.719 --> 00:49:51.239
that for you? No. But the more I study into that,

00:49:51.360 --> 00:49:54.900
there are so many different views on what that

00:49:54.900 --> 00:49:57.559
means in all different types of religions. And

00:49:57.559 --> 00:50:00.199
I would love to study even more because I'm I

00:50:00.199 --> 00:50:03.940
don't know enough. But the thing that has been

00:50:03.940 --> 00:50:09.460
so impactful for me is how it integrates and

00:50:09.460 --> 00:50:13.179
strengthens my testimony of the Last Supper,

00:50:13.179 --> 00:50:16.559
combining with this the sacrament and how it

00:50:16.559 --> 00:50:20.210
is Such a huge part of my worship every single

00:50:20.210 --> 00:50:24.969
Sunday. Yeah That's awesome You know the Passover

00:50:24.969 --> 00:50:27.710
we don't need to go into this right now But the

00:50:27.710 --> 00:50:30.429
Passover have been been practiced among the Jews

00:50:30.429 --> 00:50:34.300
for 1 ,500 years. Yeah You know, it was not something

00:50:34.300 --> 00:50:36.699
Abraham did. It's not something that Noah did.

00:50:37.320 --> 00:50:41.900
This all started under Moses and leading the

00:50:41.900 --> 00:50:43.920
children of Israel out of Egypt, freeing the

00:50:43.920 --> 00:50:47.019
children of Israel and the Passover, the angels,

00:50:47.280 --> 00:50:51.440
the destroying angel, passing over the Israelites

00:50:51.440 --> 00:50:56.380
because they had put blood, Lamb's blood on the

00:50:56.380 --> 00:51:01.079
doorposts of their home, which saved their firstborn.

00:51:01.289 --> 00:51:04.349
Son I mean there's so much symbolism about that

00:51:04.349 --> 00:51:06.909
there right the lamb of God firstborn son the

00:51:06.909 --> 00:51:12.130
blood of the blood and and and this is what this

00:51:12.130 --> 00:51:15.809
is what they had celebrated for 1500 years and

00:51:15.809 --> 00:51:18.969
Jesus fulfills it because he's he's the lamb

00:51:18.969 --> 00:51:22.250
of God and He's going to die and his blood is

00:51:22.250 --> 00:51:24.969
going to be spilled and there's no sense in celebrating

00:51:24.969 --> 00:51:28.010
What happened in Egypt? We're going to start

00:51:28.010 --> 00:51:33.349
celebrating this new Passover which is my death,

00:51:33.829 --> 00:51:37.190
which is my blood, which will be spilled, and

00:51:37.190 --> 00:51:40.889
that's the sacrament. You're going to take a

00:51:40.889 --> 00:51:45.230
little piece of bread representing His flesh,

00:51:45.590 --> 00:51:50.949
and a little glass of wine, which will celebrate

00:51:50.949 --> 00:51:54.710
His blood, and those doing, come follow me, know

00:51:54.710 --> 00:51:58.280
why we don't do wine, why we do water now. Anyway,

00:51:58.420 --> 00:52:03.679
that's going to be in remembrance of me, not

00:52:03.679 --> 00:52:08.000
of our liberation from Egypt, but this is going

00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:13.840
to celebrate my death. I'm the Savior and Redeemer

00:52:13.840 --> 00:52:19.440
of Israel. So anyway, that's all part of that

00:52:19.440 --> 00:52:25.300
Last Supper. So he goes to Gethsemane. Gethsemane,

00:52:25.300 --> 00:52:28.760
you guys have been there. You've seen those ancient

00:52:28.760 --> 00:52:32.880
gnarly olive trees. I have a leaf from one of

00:52:32.880 --> 00:52:35.139
those trees right here in my room. Yeah, cool.

00:52:37.039 --> 00:52:39.420
Some of them that are kind of fenced and protected

00:52:39.420 --> 00:52:42.639
that you can't get by or they say... Those branches

00:52:42.639 --> 00:52:45.340
lean over the fences, Dave. Do they? Yeah. Okay.

00:52:45.380 --> 00:52:46.739
That's how I got them. When I was there, I would

00:52:46.739 --> 00:52:51.099
have done the same thing. Anyway, 2 ,000 years

00:52:51.099 --> 00:52:53.280
old and... Don't you wish they could tell us

00:52:53.280 --> 00:52:58.960
this story? Yeah, man. Yeah, I sure do. Anyway,

00:52:59.119 --> 00:53:01.719
and I remember our visit. We went there at night.

00:53:01.760 --> 00:53:04.900
Did you guys go there at night? We went to Gethsemane

00:53:04.900 --> 00:53:07.880
at night. That would be cool. It was so cool.

00:53:08.920 --> 00:53:11.820
We'd kind of walked over there. It's about a

00:53:11.820 --> 00:53:14.400
mile from where the Last Supper was probably.

00:53:14.780 --> 00:53:16.900
Right. Yeah. So you had to walk up the hill.

00:53:17.139 --> 00:53:20.599
Yeah. Yeah. Man, I just kind of wanted to be

00:53:20.599 --> 00:53:22.059
alone. I didn't want to be with the group. So

00:53:22.059 --> 00:53:24.199
I just kind of went and found a place where I

00:53:24.199 --> 00:53:27.719
could be alone and pray. and it was dark so nobody

00:53:27.719 --> 00:53:31.440
could see me. It was really just an unbelievable

00:53:31.440 --> 00:53:34.099
experience for me. I can't even imagine. To be

00:53:34.099 --> 00:53:40.079
in Gethsemane and try to be a disciple and to

00:53:40.079 --> 00:53:45.880
just be there. None of them really witnessed

00:53:45.880 --> 00:53:49.719
what He did, and yet He must have told them,

00:53:49.940 --> 00:53:53.780
or through the Spirit they knew, because they

00:53:53.780 --> 00:53:58.840
describe it. You know, he takes Peter, James,

00:53:58.880 --> 00:54:02.920
and John with him. They're about a stone throw

00:54:02.920 --> 00:54:06.179
away, right? Stone cast away from where he is.

00:54:07.179 --> 00:54:10.619
We're down to 11 apostles now, because Judas

00:54:10.619 --> 00:54:13.880
is out doing his dirty deed. Eight of them he

00:54:13.880 --> 00:54:16.599
kind of leaves a little further out on the edge

00:54:16.599 --> 00:54:19.420
of Gethsemane, the Garden of Gethsemane. He takes

00:54:19.420 --> 00:54:22.579
the three, Peter, James, and John, into Gethsemane

00:54:22.579 --> 00:54:24.800
with him, the same three who he had taken to

00:54:24.800 --> 00:54:26.619
the Medal of Transfiguration. I mean, this was

00:54:26.619 --> 00:54:29.980
the first presidency of the church. And he takes

00:54:29.980 --> 00:54:32.860
them in with him, then walks away from them about

00:54:32.860 --> 00:54:36.340
a stone cast. And according to Matthew, falls

00:54:36.340 --> 00:54:43.039
down. He's laid out. He's laid out when he prays.

00:54:43.059 --> 00:54:46.360
I wish that we had more paintings of that, and

00:54:46.360 --> 00:54:48.980
now I know that Luke says that he knelt down

00:54:48.980 --> 00:54:53.159
to pray, and I'm sure he did, but at some point

00:54:53.159 --> 00:54:56.559
he is laid out. I wish we had more great paintings

00:54:56.559 --> 00:54:59.539
of Jesus in Gethsemane laid out praying. I know

00:54:59.539 --> 00:55:02.699
there are some, and they're some of my favorite

00:55:02.699 --> 00:55:09.719
paintings of the Atonement, but he's not calmly

00:55:10.000 --> 00:55:13.579
With his hands folded or his arms folded kneeling

00:55:13.579 --> 00:55:17.239
by a rock By the time this experience is over.

00:55:17.719 --> 00:55:22.079
I mean this is this is going to be bad then it's

00:55:22.079 --> 00:55:25.599
going to be painful and This is where he cries

00:55:25.599 --> 00:55:30.340
out, you know If if there be any other way if

00:55:30.340 --> 00:55:34.300
thou be willing You know, let let this pass from

00:55:34.300 --> 00:55:38.119
me the bitter cup the bitter cup There's been

00:55:38.119 --> 00:55:40.139
so much happened to that we just don't have time

00:55:40.139 --> 00:55:43.880
to cover between I know you know between now

00:55:43.880 --> 00:55:47.900
And what's about to happen, but but this is where

00:55:47.900 --> 00:55:51.000
it really begins Dave this I mean it's begun

00:55:51.000 --> 00:55:54.300
already began at his birth as a Thursday night

00:55:54.300 --> 00:55:58.840
at 9 p .m. They they actually give us the time

00:55:58.840 --> 00:56:01.900
9 p .m. To midnight and sorry hours you know

00:56:01.900 --> 00:56:04.059
and I know there's time differences between there

00:56:04.059 --> 00:56:06.840
and here But I think it would be good if it not

00:56:06.760 --> 00:56:11.880
P .M. on Thursday, we found ourselves in a attitude

00:56:11.880 --> 00:56:15.000
and a posture of worshiping because of what happened

00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:17.019
on that day. That would be an important tradition,

00:56:17.099 --> 00:56:21.519
I think. Luke gives us maybe a little more detail.

00:56:21.880 --> 00:56:27.940
Mark gives us some detail, too, where he's laid

00:56:27.940 --> 00:56:34.320
out and where he's praying. In Luke 22, Okay

00:56:34.320 --> 00:56:39.239
verse what 39 through 44 Well, let's read it.

00:56:39.360 --> 00:56:42.019
I love these verses. This is my favorite. This

00:56:42.019 --> 00:56:45.099
is my favorite passage about Gethsemane Luke

00:56:45.099 --> 00:56:46.780
wouldn't have been there by the way Luke would

00:56:46.780 --> 00:56:49.980
not Luke would have learned this from the Apostles

00:56:49.980 --> 00:56:54.400
Luke is Probably using Mary's recollect. Yeah

00:56:54.400 --> 00:57:00.559
the mother of Jesus records, but he we have this

00:57:00.559 --> 00:57:04.860
which he Luke 22, 39. And he came out and went

00:57:04.860 --> 00:57:08.260
as he want to the Mount of Olives, and his disciples

00:57:08.260 --> 00:57:11.360
also followed him. And when he was at the place,

00:57:11.400 --> 00:57:14.599
he told them, pray ye, pray that ye enter not

00:57:14.599 --> 00:57:19.019
into temptation. And he was withdrawn from them

00:57:19.019 --> 00:57:21.420
about a stone's cast and kneeled down and prayed,

00:57:21.820 --> 00:57:24.800
saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this

00:57:24.800 --> 00:57:28.239
cup from me. Nevertheless, not my will, but thine

00:57:28.239 --> 00:57:31.239
be done. and there appeared an angel unto him

00:57:31.239 --> 00:57:34.980
from heaven strengthening him. And being in agony,

00:57:35.199 --> 00:57:38.719
he prayed more earnestly and his sweat was, as

00:57:38.719 --> 00:57:41.219
it were, great drops of blood falling down to

00:57:41.219 --> 00:57:45.579
the ground. Everybody interprets verse 44 a little

00:57:45.579 --> 00:57:47.360
differently when it comes to other churches.

00:57:47.780 --> 00:57:51.900
I've shared multiple times in these podcasts

00:57:51.900 --> 00:57:55.099
my experience. Your experience has been shared

00:57:55.099 --> 00:57:57.800
recently on other podcasts, by the way. Yeah,

00:57:57.860 --> 00:58:01.579
that's what I understand. Anyway, calling 30

00:58:01.579 --> 00:58:04.739
-something churches one afternoon and asking

00:58:04.739 --> 00:58:09.260
them for their interpretation of Luke 22, 44,

00:58:09.320 --> 00:58:12.380
I got all kinds of different answers. But only

00:58:12.380 --> 00:58:17.000
a few of them viewed it the way we know it to

00:58:17.000 --> 00:58:20.559
be true, because think... God for a prophet,

00:58:21.639 --> 00:58:25.199
and for the Joseph Smith translation. You know,

00:58:25.199 --> 00:58:27.679
if you really read verse 44, it says, His sweat

00:58:27.679 --> 00:58:32.019
was, as it were, like great drops of blood falling

00:58:32.019 --> 00:58:34.760
to the ground. And people take it to mean that

00:58:34.760 --> 00:58:40.260
Jesus is sweating profusely. His sweat, noun,

00:58:41.360 --> 00:58:44.760
His sweat. Were was like great drops of blood

00:58:44.760 --> 00:58:47.139
falling on the ground so they they think he's

00:58:47.139 --> 00:58:50.800
he's really wrestling You know internally and

00:58:50.800 --> 00:58:54.539
that he's he's viewing or he's he knows what's

00:58:54.539 --> 00:58:57.039
going to happen on Friday And he's thinking about

00:58:57.039 --> 00:59:01.380
the crucifixion and the cross and that he's he's

00:59:01.380 --> 00:59:06.619
sweating Perspiring and that this is symbolic

00:59:06.619 --> 00:59:09.619
of the blood that he will spill on the cross

00:59:09.619 --> 00:59:12.860
That's how all of them, but I think two or just

00:59:12.860 --> 00:59:16.460
a few, two or three. That's how they saw it.

00:59:16.619 --> 00:59:20.900
I love the way Mosiah teaches us. Well, you know,

00:59:21.139 --> 00:59:24.599
only only because of the restoration. Exactly.

00:59:24.860 --> 00:59:27.860
Do we know really what happened there? And it's

00:59:27.860 --> 00:59:31.159
it's twice. It's in Mosiah three, seven, and

00:59:31.159 --> 00:59:35.110
it's in Doctrine and Covenants, Section 19. Where

00:59:35.110 --> 00:59:37.949
we know that he was got read verse. Yeah, I'm

00:59:37.949 --> 00:59:40.369
just gonna read verse 7 and low He shall suffer

00:59:40.369 --> 00:59:43.710
temptations and pain of body hunger thirst and

00:59:43.710 --> 00:59:46.170
fatigue even more than man can suffer except

00:59:46.170 --> 00:59:50.030
to be unto death for behold Blood cometh from

00:59:50.030 --> 00:59:52.250
every poor so great shall be his anguish for

00:59:52.250 --> 00:59:55.309
the wickedness and abominations of his people

00:59:55.840 --> 00:59:58.840
That's where Joseph Smith learned it first. Can

00:59:58.840 --> 01:00:01.039
you imagine how that experience would have been

01:00:01.039 --> 01:00:03.159
for Joseph Smith while he was making that translation?

01:00:03.300 --> 01:00:06.179
I think there would have been a long pause where

01:00:06.179 --> 01:00:09.760
he went, wow, I didn't know that. The term every

01:00:09.760 --> 01:00:13.139
poor is not in the Bible. It's just not there.

01:00:14.340 --> 01:00:17.360
So not only do most churches believe Jesus didn't

01:00:17.360 --> 01:00:22.099
bleed in Gethsemane, but they have no idea how

01:00:22.099 --> 01:00:25.710
bad it was. that the suffering had caused all

01:00:25.710 --> 01:00:30.309
of his capillaries in his body, his veins and

01:00:30.309 --> 01:00:34.070
arteries to collapse because of the constriction

01:00:34.070 --> 01:00:38.670
of stress and pain that he was under for some

01:00:38.670 --> 01:00:44.110
three hours, and that he bled from every pore.

01:00:45.670 --> 01:00:48.829
Just think about that. Anybody would die. There's

01:00:48.829 --> 01:00:52.389
only been, I think, a couple. There are a couple.

01:00:52.519 --> 01:00:57.420
recorded medical incidences where people are

01:00:57.420 --> 01:01:02.300
in so much pain that there is some few capillaries

01:01:02.300 --> 01:01:06.840
that burst, and blood actually has been seen

01:01:06.840 --> 01:01:10.199
oozing from their pores. But not every pore.

01:01:10.340 --> 01:01:15.119
Not every pore. This is in very limited scope.

01:01:15.739 --> 01:01:20.239
Yeah, exactly. And so most other churches have

01:01:20.239 --> 01:01:24.079
no idea what really happened in Gethsemane. I

01:01:24.079 --> 01:01:27.739
can't even imagine. However, when you think about

01:01:27.739 --> 01:01:29.820
all the pain and suffering that goes on in the

01:01:29.820 --> 01:01:32.320
world, because we live in a crazy world, and

01:01:32.320 --> 01:01:38.480
this is just our time, but throughout all mankind,

01:01:39.519 --> 01:01:43.599
to think about what kind of pressure, pain, anguish

01:01:43.599 --> 01:01:49.900
he went through is not even fathomable to think

01:01:49.900 --> 01:01:55.130
of. I can't even Truly I cannot imagine Because

01:01:55.130 --> 01:01:58.190
we have all had our own get so many we've had

01:01:58.190 --> 01:02:01.429
our own fall on our face and cry out and plead

01:02:01.429 --> 01:02:08.250
and cry Mm -hmm, but we have no idea what that

01:02:08.250 --> 01:02:12.309
must have been. No, it's incomprehensible Absolutely

01:02:12.309 --> 01:02:16.070
Incomprehensible no one could have lived through

01:02:16.070 --> 01:02:19.389
it the medical term for this God is hematidrosis

01:02:19.559 --> 01:02:24.699
This is the beginning of the atonement of Jesus

01:02:24.699 --> 01:02:27.800
Christ, His pain and suffering. And now let me

01:02:27.800 --> 01:02:29.639
just have everybody think about this for a minute.

01:02:29.739 --> 01:02:32.820
The results of this suffering in the Garden of

01:02:32.820 --> 01:02:37.880
Gethsemane. Because it would make the next...

01:02:37.880 --> 01:02:43.159
He's going to be alive for the next about 18

01:02:43.159 --> 01:02:46.119
hours. He's only going to live for another 18

01:02:46.119 --> 01:02:50.349
hours. He's going to be... crucified on the cross

01:02:50.349 --> 01:02:55.429
at 9 a .m. the next day. So some what 10 hours,

01:02:55.989 --> 01:03:01.030
9 hours after he leaves Gethsemane, he's going

01:03:01.030 --> 01:03:03.929
to be crucified and then die six hours after

01:03:03.929 --> 01:03:07.530
that. Anything after Gethsemane though is going

01:03:07.530 --> 01:03:12.289
to be so magnified exponentially because he's

01:03:12.289 --> 01:03:15.650
dehydrated. If you bleed from every pore, think

01:03:15.650 --> 01:03:19.059
of how dehydrated he is. And we don't have any

01:03:19.059 --> 01:03:21.920
record that he got any water or drink. He did

01:03:21.920 --> 01:03:25.539
go to the brook, the Kidron brook, and I love

01:03:25.539 --> 01:03:28.239
how the church depicts that in their video that

01:03:28.239 --> 01:03:32.920
he washes himself. The stream becomes bloody

01:03:32.920 --> 01:03:36.239
because he's washing all the blood off of himself.

01:03:36.719 --> 01:03:40.940
I love that because maybe that's how nobody else

01:03:40.940 --> 01:03:45.599
knows how bloody Gethsemane was. And yet... The

01:03:45.599 --> 01:03:48.320
dehydration from all of this would have made

01:03:48.320 --> 01:03:54.260
him so sick, so weak, delirious for some people,

01:03:55.059 --> 01:03:58.059
right? Nauseous and all of that that goes with

01:03:58.059 --> 01:04:02.880
dehydration. And then bruised. And Isaiah describes

01:04:02.880 --> 01:04:07.880
that so beautifully. And Benedi in Mosiah chapter

01:04:07.880 --> 01:04:12.679
14 describes that so beautifully about being

01:04:12.679 --> 01:04:16.860
bruised. For the inequities of his people this

01:04:16.860 --> 01:04:20.059
hat that that began and that started and really

01:04:20.059 --> 01:04:24.619
took place in in Gethsemane and any touch To

01:04:24.619 --> 01:04:27.739
his skin. Can you imagine? I mean have you ever

01:04:27.739 --> 01:04:31.739
really had a really bad bruise? His whole body

01:04:31.739 --> 01:04:37.500
would have been a bruise He was truly literally

01:04:37.500 --> 01:04:43.389
bruised for our iniquities and that Any any touch

01:04:43.389 --> 01:04:47.909
to his skin even the kiss of Betrayal by Judas

01:04:47.909 --> 01:04:52.929
on his cheek would have been painful So and then

01:04:52.929 --> 01:04:56.469
to get slapped and to get beaten to have the

01:04:56.469 --> 01:05:00.269
cross thrust thrust upon your back and Scourged

01:05:00.269 --> 01:05:02.769
and all that he went through, you know in the

01:05:02.769 --> 01:05:06.449
in the next 14 15 hours Everything would have

01:05:06.449 --> 01:05:12.789
been so Exponentially worse because of what started

01:05:12.789 --> 01:05:16.130
in Gethsemane. And that's why I actually believe

01:05:16.130 --> 01:05:18.849
that all those events that followed Gethsemane

01:05:18.849 --> 01:05:23.550
is actually part of his pain and suffering. And

01:05:23.550 --> 01:05:28.309
really part of his atonement is because of what

01:05:28.309 --> 01:05:31.090
happened in Gethsemane and how that would have

01:05:31.090 --> 01:05:35.909
made him so sick and so bruised that anything

01:05:35.909 --> 01:05:40.119
for the next few hours of his life would have

01:05:40.119 --> 01:05:43.519
been painful. I think oftentimes when we sing

01:05:43.519 --> 01:05:47.599
the hymns for the sacrament and they talk about

01:05:47.599 --> 01:05:50.980
bruised, torn, and broken, some of those words

01:05:50.980 --> 01:05:55.880
just penetrate my heart. Like in ways that, and

01:05:55.880 --> 01:05:58.380
I think that's why oftentimes, not a big surprise,

01:05:58.519 --> 01:06:02.179
I weep. Literally weep through those sacrament

01:06:02.179 --> 01:06:04.920
hymns. And that's part of what we should be thinking

01:06:04.920 --> 01:06:08.409
about when we partake of the sacrament. as we

01:06:08.409 --> 01:06:14.130
sing hymns in particular, flesh and blood. Let's

01:06:14.130 --> 01:06:22.150
just turn to Mosiah chapter 14. This is what

01:06:22.150 --> 01:06:28.210
I would have on my tombstone, is the scripture

01:06:28.210 --> 01:06:36.760
in Mosiah 14, quoting Isaiah 53, Starting with

01:06:36.760 --> 01:06:42.659
verse 3, he is despised and rejected of men,

01:06:43.460 --> 01:06:47.679
a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief. And

01:06:47.679 --> 01:06:51.539
we hid, as it were, our faces from him. He was

01:06:51.539 --> 01:06:55.900
despised, and we had esteemed him not. A lot

01:06:55.900 --> 01:06:59.559
in those verses when I read, and we hid, as it

01:06:59.559 --> 01:07:03.920
were, our faces from him. I know that that may

01:07:03.920 --> 01:07:06.099
have been out of those who were ashamed of Him,

01:07:06.599 --> 01:07:10.260
but I think it may also have been, in my own

01:07:10.260 --> 01:07:14.400
mind, it may have been me in the pre -mortal

01:07:14.400 --> 01:07:17.199
existence seeing what He was going through. Because

01:07:17.199 --> 01:07:19.960
I think many spirits in the pre -mortal existence,

01:07:19.980 --> 01:07:26.579
if not all, would have been aware of this transcendental

01:07:26.579 --> 01:07:30.320
event. This would have affected all of them.

01:07:30.570 --> 01:07:34.050
And I think I couldn't have watched it. I think

01:07:34.050 --> 01:07:37.110
I would have turned away. I don't think I could

01:07:37.110 --> 01:07:39.670
have witnessed it because it would be too painful

01:07:39.670 --> 01:08:02.449
for me to even witness. Verse 4, For our inequities

01:08:02.449 --> 01:08:06.710
the chastisement of our peace was upon him and

01:08:06.710 --> 01:08:12.130
with his stripes We are healed all we like sheep

01:08:12.130 --> 01:08:16.630
have gone astray We have turned everyone to his

01:08:16.630 --> 01:08:20.949
own way and the Lord hath laid on him the inequities

01:08:20.949 --> 01:08:28.670
of me And us all yeah, it's it's personal and

01:08:28.670 --> 01:08:34.359
he did all of that Just for me and for all of

01:08:34.359 --> 01:08:39.300
the world So that's where it begins, but that's

01:08:39.300 --> 01:08:41.960
not where it ends. That's only the beginning

01:08:41.960 --> 01:08:46.779
of his suffering Scott and them it the really

01:08:46.779 --> 01:08:51.760
the culmination and the the climax of his suffering

01:08:51.760 --> 01:08:55.680
is on the cross where According to Talmadge according

01:08:55.680 --> 01:08:58.560
to McConkey and now according to President Nelson

01:09:00.039 --> 01:09:07.399
The cross was Gethsemane intensified Because

01:09:07.399 --> 01:09:11.880
all of Gethsemane came back and the father withdraws

01:09:11.880 --> 01:09:15.880
his presence Another piece I cannot even imagine.

01:09:15.899 --> 01:09:20.539
Yeah, I know at least in It's recorded at least

01:09:20.539 --> 01:09:23.600
in Gethsemane. He had an angel. Yeah, that was

01:09:23.600 --> 01:09:26.159
another event in Gethsemane an angel came to

01:09:26.159 --> 01:09:30.539
strengthen him and I Love the imagery of that

01:09:30.539 --> 01:09:33.399
when you have loved to have seen that the angel

01:09:33.399 --> 01:09:37.060
who I think Really is that as elder McConkey

01:09:37.060 --> 01:09:41.060
really? Speculates that it was probably Adam

01:09:41.060 --> 01:09:45.079
That Michael the archangel came to strengthen

01:09:45.079 --> 01:09:50.420
him That would be an interesting Conversation

01:09:50.420 --> 01:09:55.800
so then he goes he's betrayed with a kiss for

01:09:55.800 --> 01:09:59.579
30 pieces of silver we've talked about He's taken

01:09:59.579 --> 01:10:04.819
to Caiaphas the Jews the Romans take him to Caiaphas

01:10:04.819 --> 01:10:10.220
and Caiaphas They go through a mockery of a trial

01:10:10.220 --> 01:10:14.260
he spit upon he slapped they're trying to find

01:10:14.260 --> 01:10:17.479
witnesses to testify against him probably false

01:10:17.479 --> 01:10:21.100
witnesses who are paid and He goes through this

01:10:21.100 --> 01:10:24.579
whole mockery that lasts for several hours in

01:10:24.579 --> 01:10:28.279
the middle of the night, which is Probably against

01:10:28.279 --> 01:10:32.199
Jewish law, I understand. They break their own

01:10:32.199 --> 01:10:36.420
law. He went to Annas first, and Annas sent him

01:10:36.420 --> 01:10:40.000
over to Caiaphas, by the way. And then from Caiaphas,

01:10:40.479 --> 01:10:46.100
after being abused, tormented, and accused, then

01:10:46.100 --> 01:10:49.119
he goes, and just think about that. We're all

01:10:49.119 --> 01:10:51.340
accused. I mean, there's just so many parts of

01:10:51.340 --> 01:10:54.039
this. that we should all be able to relate to.

01:10:54.300 --> 01:10:56.659
Even if they're tormented. We're all tormented.

01:10:56.819 --> 01:10:59.079
Maybe not the exact way physically that he was,

01:10:59.140 --> 01:11:01.060
but we suffer those things. We're all abused.

01:11:01.220 --> 01:11:05.659
We're all neglected. We're all accused. But not

01:11:05.659 --> 01:11:12.000
like that. He ends up at Pilate's palace. Pilate,

01:11:12.159 --> 01:11:19.579
you know, he's just such a wimp, such a puppet.

01:11:20.750 --> 01:11:23.329
He wants doesn't want to hurt the Jewish leaders

01:11:23.329 --> 01:11:26.449
feelings. So if they want to crucify him, that's

01:11:26.449 --> 01:11:28.949
what he's going to do But he he finds out that

01:11:28.949 --> 01:11:32.189
he's from Galilee that he's a Galilean and Herod's

01:11:32.189 --> 01:11:35.010
in town because it's the Passover And so he says

01:11:35.010 --> 01:11:36.770
well, you gotta go over to see Herod. I'm not

01:11:36.770 --> 01:11:39.869
you know, I'm the governor of Judea I'm not the

01:11:39.869 --> 01:11:42.949
governor of Galilee. That's Herod. So he goes

01:11:42.949 --> 01:11:48.199
over to Herod and Herod is the son of Herod the

01:11:48.199 --> 01:11:50.600
Great who had all the children killed when he

01:11:50.600 --> 01:11:56.659
was born, and Jesus really disdains him and won't

01:11:56.659 --> 01:11:59.659
answer his question. As the only person to ask

01:11:59.659 --> 01:12:02.640
him a question, Jesus didn't respond. He was

01:12:02.640 --> 01:12:06.279
totally silent the whole time he was at the place

01:12:06.279 --> 01:12:09.380
of Herod. And this is where they stripped him,

01:12:09.880 --> 01:12:13.340
they tormented him and abused him and put on

01:12:13.340 --> 01:12:17.560
a scarlet or purple whatever account you want

01:12:17.560 --> 01:12:21.439
to believe robe and sent him back to Pilate because

01:12:21.439 --> 01:12:26.300
he wouldn't even speak to Herod. And then Pilate

01:12:26.300 --> 01:12:30.199
ends up washing his hands and asking the people,

01:12:30.319 --> 01:12:33.100
according to your traditions, you can let one

01:12:33.100 --> 01:12:38.220
criminal go free. I'll give you a choice. Barabbas,

01:12:38.899 --> 01:12:41.260
who is probably, I think, the greatest criminal

01:12:41.260 --> 01:12:44.699
of Jerusalem at the time, who's alive, who's

01:12:44.699 --> 01:12:48.520
a murderer, one of the gospel writers, identifies

01:12:48.520 --> 01:12:57.750
him as a murderer. or Jesus, and they want Barabbas

01:12:57.750 --> 01:13:03.210
to be released over Jesus, and they start to

01:13:03.210 --> 01:13:06.869
chant. That's where maybe, maybe some, maybe

01:13:06.869 --> 01:13:11.350
a few, I don't know, the people who were chanting

01:13:11.350 --> 01:13:14.310
Hosanna at the beginning of the week are now

01:13:14.310 --> 01:13:21.210
chanting, crucify Him, crucify Him. Anyway, so

01:13:21.800 --> 01:13:24.600
Pilate turns him over to the Jews after having

01:13:24.600 --> 01:13:27.060
them scourged, which is according to the Roman

01:13:27.060 --> 01:13:30.039
tradition. If you're going to crucify somebody,

01:13:30.199 --> 01:13:32.840
you scourge them first. Some of them would die

01:13:32.840 --> 01:13:36.079
before they were through getting scourged, and

01:13:36.079 --> 01:13:38.359
at the very least, it would kind of speed up

01:13:38.359 --> 01:13:42.579
their death hanging on the cross. So he scourges

01:13:42.579 --> 01:13:47.880
them, 39 whips with metal and bone tied in the

01:13:47.880 --> 01:13:51.680
ends of the strands of the whip. And now again,

01:13:52.100 --> 01:13:55.380
think of what he's been through. Think of what

01:13:55.380 --> 01:13:58.119
he's been through. He has walked, by the way,

01:13:58.399 --> 01:14:00.680
if you really look at the map and you study it,

01:14:00.979 --> 01:14:03.640
and you guys have been there, but he's walked

01:14:03.640 --> 01:14:08.880
over five miles since Gethsemane, and going back

01:14:08.880 --> 01:14:12.750
and forth, going from... Anas the Caiaphas the

01:14:12.750 --> 01:14:16.090
pilot to Herod back to pilot. He's walked over

01:14:16.090 --> 01:14:19.170
five miles. He's been totally abused and then

01:14:19.170 --> 01:14:25.710
any sleep for maybe days. I don't know and They

01:14:25.710 --> 01:14:31.189
put a cross on his back and he's walking to Golgotha

01:14:31.189 --> 01:14:34.590
no wonder he collapses and Simeon's there who

01:14:34.590 --> 01:14:37.930
later becomes a convert according to tradition

01:14:37.930 --> 01:14:42.949
Simeon of Cyrene and He's enlisted, or I like

01:14:42.949 --> 01:14:46.029
to think he volunteered to carry the cross the

01:14:46.029 --> 01:14:49.789
rest of the way. And they get to the cross at

01:14:49.789 --> 01:14:51.750
9 a .m. I don't know where you're going to be

01:14:51.750 --> 01:14:55.750
on Friday. 9 a .m. But you got to think about

01:14:55.750 --> 01:15:01.130
it. 9 a .m. Good Friday. I always thought that's

01:15:01.130 --> 01:15:05.250
such a contradiction. Good is kind of an offshoot

01:15:05.250 --> 01:15:11.399
of the word God. So I get it, but man, it's good

01:15:11.399 --> 01:15:14.979
for us, but bad for him. And you know, I think

01:15:14.979 --> 01:15:17.619
this is another place where I think traditions

01:15:17.619 --> 01:15:20.640
could play such a significant role in celebrating

01:15:20.640 --> 01:15:24.260
Easter as what you do on Good Friday. Yeah. We

01:15:24.260 --> 01:15:27.239
have a plan that we've actually put into place

01:15:27.239 --> 01:15:30.220
three, four years ago. This is actually our second

01:15:30.220 --> 01:15:33.840
year. Oh, okay. That's a good start. Just go

01:15:33.840 --> 01:15:36.819
with me, Deb. This is a good start. So this will

01:15:36.819 --> 01:15:39.060
be our second year. I thought we did it. Anyway,

01:15:39.119 --> 01:15:42.319
it doesn't matter. But we will be in the celestial

01:15:42.319 --> 01:15:45.859
room. There you go. At noon. At noon. Oh, wow.

01:15:46.000 --> 01:15:49.050
At noon. Yeah, that's awesome. We've already

01:15:49.050 --> 01:15:52.090
got our appointment made. I wish we observed

01:15:52.090 --> 01:15:55.789
it as a holiday in this nation. We should. We

01:15:55.789 --> 01:15:59.210
really should. I know in Europe they do. You're

01:15:59.210 --> 01:16:02.869
off on Good Friday. I wish the church would give

01:16:02.869 --> 01:16:06.569
all their employees Good Friday off if you're

01:16:06.569 --> 01:16:11.729
listening to President Nelson. Yeah. The church

01:16:11.729 --> 01:16:17.550
at least should close down. On Good Friday. I

01:16:17.550 --> 01:16:20.489
request the day off and reflect Good Friday.

01:16:20.689 --> 01:16:23.390
I really learned this from my secretary in Minnesota

01:16:23.390 --> 01:16:26.210
who was a former Catholic. She was a convert

01:16:26.210 --> 01:16:31.090
and she would come in in my office every time

01:16:31.090 --> 01:16:33.689
this time of the year and say, now Brother Durfee,

01:16:33.890 --> 01:16:36.659
you know I don't work on Good Friday. And she

01:16:36.659 --> 01:16:39.340
had learned that as a good Catholic girl. And

01:16:39.340 --> 01:16:42.859
she would, just before we had a St. Paul Minnesota

01:16:42.859 --> 01:16:47.619
temple, and she would drive seven hours on Thursday

01:16:47.619 --> 01:16:51.159
night and get to the Chicago temple around midnight.

01:16:51.819 --> 01:16:54.539
And then she would just spend, do five sessions.

01:16:55.140 --> 01:16:57.779
On Friday. On Friday. How cool. She'd be in the

01:16:57.779 --> 01:17:00.699
temple all day Friday and drive back home Saturday.

01:17:01.340 --> 01:17:04.640
And that was her tradition. That's a great tradition.

01:17:04.899 --> 01:17:09.199
Oh man, I really honor her, Barbara Foster. She

01:17:09.199 --> 01:17:12.920
taught me. Good Friday ought to be a sacred day.

01:17:14.119 --> 01:17:18.380
So again, I don't know what people can do, and

01:17:18.380 --> 01:17:20.640
maybe it's just a moment to bow your head and

01:17:20.640 --> 01:17:23.859
say thank you, but it ought to be acknowledged

01:17:23.859 --> 01:17:30.880
that on 9 a .m. he is crucified between two thieves.

01:17:31.289 --> 01:17:34.010
There are seven statements that he makes from

01:17:34.010 --> 01:17:37.770
the cross from 9 a .m. until he dies at 3 p .m.

01:17:38.050 --> 01:17:41.590
But the fourth statement is the one at 12 noon

01:17:41.590 --> 01:17:47.689
that is the most haunting. And at 12 noon, this

01:17:47.689 --> 01:17:51.550
is where all hell breaks loose. At 12 noon, you

01:17:51.550 --> 01:17:55.449
know, he's just turned over to the buffettings

01:17:55.449 --> 01:18:00.109
of Satan, really, and really experienced spiritual

01:18:00.109 --> 01:18:03.470
death where he's completely cut off from God

01:18:03.470 --> 01:18:07.689
and he cries out and you can imagine the the

01:18:07.689 --> 01:18:14.630
sinless one experiencing really perdition God's

01:18:14.630 --> 01:18:19.310
presence has withdrawn from him. He is experiencing

01:18:19.310 --> 01:18:26.939
hell literally and he cries out at 12 noon My

01:18:26.939 --> 01:18:30.039
God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? This

01:18:30.039 --> 01:18:32.939
is where Jesus experienced the full effects of

01:18:32.939 --> 01:18:37.199
the fall. Spiritual death. Prior to now, he had

01:18:37.199 --> 01:18:39.739
not experienced spiritual death. He had experienced

01:18:39.739 --> 01:18:43.640
the physical death elements of the fall and had

01:18:43.640 --> 01:18:45.920
and had healed the spiritual or physical death

01:18:45.920 --> 01:18:48.859
elements of the fall and spiritual in so many.

01:18:49.180 --> 01:18:52.140
of his followers up until this point. But until

01:18:52.140 --> 01:18:56.060
this point, he's had the Father and others ministering

01:18:56.060 --> 01:18:58.960
to him to strengthen him, to buoy him up, to

01:18:58.960 --> 01:19:01.579
give him what he needed to fulfill his mission.

01:19:01.920 --> 01:19:06.039
Here at noon on the cross, he's alone. And Dave,

01:19:06.359 --> 01:19:09.890
this is where... Also, you know, we read in scripture

01:19:09.890 --> 01:19:12.850
about earthquakes and about all the things that

01:19:12.850 --> 01:19:15.010
happened at about that time. You know, this is

01:19:15.010 --> 01:19:18.630
where not only do our spiritual, not only do

01:19:18.630 --> 01:19:21.710
we spiritually react to the events that was taking

01:19:21.710 --> 01:19:25.130
place there, but even the physical realm was

01:19:25.130 --> 01:19:27.670
was mother nature was reacting to that. I love

01:19:27.670 --> 01:19:31.869
it. Quoted a Protestant leader minister from

01:19:31.869 --> 01:19:34.649
the past. His name is Charles Spurgeon, and he

01:19:34.649 --> 01:19:36.810
made an observation one time, and I wish I could

01:19:36.810 --> 01:19:39.590
find it so I could read it exactly. But it's

01:19:39.590 --> 01:19:42.770
along these lines that the hearts of men were

01:19:42.770 --> 01:19:44.170
hardened to the point where they couldn't be

01:19:44.170 --> 01:19:46.289
broken, but even the rocks were broken because

01:19:46.289 --> 01:19:49.350
of the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. That's good.

01:19:49.770 --> 01:19:51.989
I think it's also really important to think about

01:19:51.989 --> 01:19:57.689
the sacrifice that Heavenly Father made by intentionally

01:19:57.689 --> 01:20:04.689
turning away. What a grievous thing to do to

01:20:04.689 --> 01:20:09.380
His only begotten Son. Yeah. Ouch. The only one

01:20:09.380 --> 01:20:11.359
who even comes close to knowing how that feels

01:20:11.359 --> 01:20:14.460
is Abraham when he was asked to sacrifice his

01:20:14.460 --> 01:20:17.079
son, Isaac. Can you imagine even contemplating

01:20:17.079 --> 01:20:20.279
that? No, no. That's why we call him Father Abraham.

01:20:21.520 --> 01:20:24.539
Yeah, so thanks to have that. Yeah, we should

01:20:24.539 --> 01:20:27.979
all not just think of the sacrifice of the son,

01:20:28.539 --> 01:20:31.779
but of the father. And I think in some ways that

01:20:31.779 --> 01:20:37.770
would even be harder. I agree. To have to. Witness

01:20:37.770 --> 01:20:41.430
it and and know you had to withdraw from the

01:20:41.430 --> 01:20:46.989
Sun for him to feel the depths of hell So that

01:20:46.989 --> 01:20:48.789
happens for three more hours and there's total

01:20:48.789 --> 01:20:51.670
darkness There's total darkness in Jerusalem

01:20:51.670 --> 01:20:55.210
for three hours and for three days in America

01:20:55.210 --> 01:20:59.170
and maybe other parts of the world the darkness

01:20:59.170 --> 01:21:03.050
and the earthquakes in the the heaving of the

01:21:03.050 --> 01:21:05.550
rocks and breaking of the rocks. And all of that

01:21:05.550 --> 01:21:08.689
happens at that time and in some places longer

01:21:08.689 --> 01:21:11.170
than others, apparently, because it was three

01:21:11.170 --> 01:21:13.729
hours in Jerusalem, but three days in America.

01:21:15.409 --> 01:21:21.430
So, Jesus at 12 noon, besides that statement,

01:21:21.789 --> 01:21:26.109
why hast thou forsaken me, at 3 p .m. He cries

01:21:26.109 --> 01:21:30.810
out, it is finished into thy hands I commend

01:21:30.810 --> 01:21:37.350
my spirit and he dies the Savior dies they have

01:21:37.350 --> 01:21:39.930
to hurry and bury him in a borrowed tomb Joseph

01:21:39.930 --> 01:21:44.689
of Arimathea which is interesting and they bury

01:21:44.689 --> 01:21:48.029
him and the garden tomb one of my most favorite

01:21:48.029 --> 01:21:51.930
places I think in Jerusalem where you can go

01:21:51.930 --> 01:21:54.930
and see, not the Catholic traditional place,

01:21:55.470 --> 01:21:58.689
but the Episcopalian Church of England has a

01:21:58.689 --> 01:22:01.670
garden called the Garden Tomb, and that's where

01:22:01.670 --> 01:22:07.250
we believe that Jesus was buried, according to

01:22:07.250 --> 01:22:11.529
President Lee and others. So, he's dead the rest

01:22:11.529 --> 01:22:14.350
of the day on Friday, which should only be really

01:22:14.350 --> 01:22:17.909
a few hours by Jewish reckoning of time. Then

01:22:17.909 --> 01:22:21.529
all day Saturday from Jewish reckoning of time

01:22:21.529 --> 01:22:25.170
Friday evening to Saturday evening and Then early

01:22:25.170 --> 01:22:28.569
Sunday morning So that he's not dead three full

01:22:28.569 --> 01:22:34.770
days He's dead on three days So it's after three

01:22:34.770 --> 01:22:37.449
days that he's resurrected, but they're not 24

01:22:37.449 --> 01:22:41.130
hours 72 hours. He's only dead for about 40 hours

01:22:41.130 --> 01:22:44.489
He's in the tomb for about 40 hours and in that

01:22:44.489 --> 01:22:49.949
40 hours He is preaching the gospel in the spirit

01:22:49.949 --> 01:22:52.829
world, Doctrine and Covenants, Section 138, where

01:22:52.829 --> 01:22:56.649
you can learn about, in some detail, Jesus' visit

01:22:56.649 --> 01:23:00.649
to the spirits in the spirit world, where he

01:23:00.649 --> 01:23:02.949
begins the preaching of the gospel to them who

01:23:02.949 --> 01:23:06.329
are dead. And the prison doors are opened, and

01:23:06.329 --> 01:23:09.770
the gospel begins to be preached. Can you imagine

01:23:09.770 --> 01:23:13.329
the joy and the... What's going on in the spirit

01:23:13.329 --> 01:23:17.729
world for those 40 hours and forever after that?

01:23:18.029 --> 01:23:21.149
Completely changes the spirit world and redemption

01:23:21.149 --> 01:23:25.449
of the dead. And then early, I believe really

01:23:25.449 --> 01:23:30.149
early myself, maybe 5 a .m. as the sun is coming

01:23:30.149 --> 01:23:37.170
up in April or 6 a .m. that Mary's there. Mary

01:23:37.170 --> 01:23:42.210
is there and she's alone. and she's weeping,

01:23:43.250 --> 01:23:46.250
and everybody on Sunday, I don't know again what

01:23:46.250 --> 01:23:49.869
your traditions are on Sunday, but mine is to

01:23:49.869 --> 01:23:53.810
always get up early and to read John chapter

01:23:53.810 --> 01:23:57.510
20. I try to get up about the time of the resurrection,

01:23:58.149 --> 01:24:01.390
and I read John chapter 20. Probably the most

01:24:01.390 --> 01:24:03.729
important chapter, I think, in all of Scripture,

01:24:04.750 --> 01:24:11.689
the record of His resurrection. and Mary greeting

01:24:11.689 --> 01:24:15.829
him and Mary holding him. You know, again, thank

01:24:15.829 --> 01:24:18.149
God for a prophet in the Joseph Smith translation.

01:24:20.149 --> 01:24:23.949
He didn't say, touch me not, speaking to Mary.

01:24:24.569 --> 01:24:28.810
He said, hold me not. There would have been an

01:24:28.810 --> 01:24:33.529
embrace. This is probably more than a special

01:24:33.529 --> 01:24:37.430
friendship between Jesus and Mary Magdalene.

01:24:37.659 --> 01:24:41.199
There's some special relationship here that Jesus

01:24:41.199 --> 01:24:45.359
would choose to appear to her first before He

01:24:45.359 --> 01:24:49.899
appeared to Peter, the chief apostle. I mean,

01:24:49.939 --> 01:24:54.000
there's something really significant here. And

01:24:54.000 --> 01:24:57.359
He even appears to other women before He appears

01:24:57.359 --> 01:25:00.659
to Peter and the apostles, which says something

01:25:00.659 --> 01:25:05.449
about His respect, I think, for women. But to

01:25:05.449 --> 01:25:09.289
Mary, she holds him. And he says, hold me not,

01:25:09.470 --> 01:25:12.609
Mary. I need to send him to his father in heaven.

01:25:13.289 --> 01:25:16.649
He appeared to Mary before he went back to the

01:25:16.649 --> 01:25:20.649
presence of his father. I love John chapter 20.

01:25:22.630 --> 01:25:26.760
I just think that is the gospel. That is the

01:25:26.760 --> 01:25:29.039
gospel. That's the good news, is John chapter

01:25:29.039 --> 01:25:32.180
20. You can't think about the resurrection in

01:25:32.180 --> 01:25:34.619
these events of Easter without thinking of 1

01:25:34.619 --> 01:25:39.060
Corinthians chapter 15, and Paul basically says,

01:25:39.279 --> 01:25:42.020
if there was no resurrection, you're wasting

01:25:42.020 --> 01:25:45.140
your time. Yeah, with everything. If there's

01:25:45.140 --> 01:25:48.159
no resurrection and Jesus didn't live again,

01:25:48.520 --> 01:25:52.199
then why are you doing what you're doing? There

01:25:52.199 --> 01:25:55.970
is no Christianity. There is no church. There

01:25:55.970 --> 01:25:59.029
is no point. If Christ isn't alive and wasn't

01:25:59.029 --> 01:26:02.270
resurrected and appeared to Mary, then go home.

01:26:03.569 --> 01:26:07.729
Die and be done. It's over. That's probably why

01:26:07.729 --> 01:26:12.029
they say 40 days after He is risen. That's probably

01:26:12.029 --> 01:26:14.529
what they did back then. He is risen! He is risen!

01:26:14.689 --> 01:26:17.470
Yeah, exactly. Like it was probably such a celebration

01:26:17.470 --> 01:26:20.189
of awe. Can you imagine, Deb? Yes, and we should

01:26:20.189 --> 01:26:22.640
be celebrating. That way as well. And one of

01:26:22.640 --> 01:26:25.520
his apostles didn't even believe it. Yes. You

01:26:25.520 --> 01:26:29.119
know, Thomas, because when Jesus does appear

01:26:29.119 --> 01:26:32.560
to the twelve, Thomas, or not to the twelve,

01:26:32.659 --> 01:26:34.659
because Judas committed suicide, by the way,

01:26:34.680 --> 01:26:36.760
he's committed suicide even before the resurrection.

01:26:37.539 --> 01:26:41.439
He appears to the ten disciples. Thomas is out

01:26:41.439 --> 01:26:44.140
running there. Can you imagine missing that meeting?

01:26:44.800 --> 01:26:47.300
Being late to that meeting? Say, hey, Jesus was

01:26:47.300 --> 01:26:50.840
just here. And he's, no way! Doubting Thomas,

01:26:51.180 --> 01:26:56.159
poor doubting Thomas. He appears to the 11, the

01:26:56.159 --> 01:26:58.640
11 a week later, and Thomas is there, and Jesus

01:26:58.640 --> 01:27:03.739
says, Thomas, come and touch and feel, and eats

01:27:03.739 --> 01:27:07.239
honeycomb with him. Luke 24, I love that. Scott,

01:27:07.420 --> 01:27:12.220
this is the essence of our message. Jesus Christ,

01:27:12.520 --> 01:27:16.060
Him crucified and resurrected. That is the good

01:27:16.060 --> 01:27:22.319
news. That's what all Christians base their faith

01:27:22.319 --> 01:27:26.720
and hope upon, is that Jesus suffered, that He

01:27:26.720 --> 01:27:29.920
died, and He was resurrected the third day. The

01:27:29.920 --> 01:27:32.579
Prophet Joseph Smith said, anything to that is

01:27:32.579 --> 01:27:36.960
only an appendage. That is the gospel of Jesus

01:27:36.960 --> 01:27:41.000
Christ, and anything else is just an add -on.

01:27:42.000 --> 01:27:45.569
So, that's Easter. We have a great opportunity

01:27:45.569 --> 01:27:49.909
in front of us this week as we prepare for Sunday,

01:27:50.010 --> 01:27:53.529
where we really where we really celebrate that

01:27:53.529 --> 01:27:58.229
he is indeed risen. I love this, Dave. We're

01:27:58.229 --> 01:28:01.350
out of time. We could take so much. I know we're

01:28:01.350 --> 01:28:05.090
over time. We could we could dive into so many.

01:28:05.090 --> 01:28:06.909
And, you know, and I encourage you if you're

01:28:06.909 --> 01:28:10.500
interested. Hope you are to go back and listen

01:28:10.500 --> 01:28:13.460
to maybe our previous podcasts on this or or

01:28:13.460 --> 01:28:16.000
go find somebody else's too There's just so much

01:28:16.000 --> 01:28:19.500
great wisdom and learning that we need to have

01:28:19.500 --> 01:28:21.880
as we strengthen our own Testimonies and grow

01:28:21.880 --> 01:28:25.770
closer to him. Yeah. Thank you Thanks, Deb. Any

01:28:25.770 --> 01:28:30.189
last word, Deb? I'm looking forward to my own

01:28:30.189 --> 01:28:33.789
study, my own experience. It's a personal thing.

01:28:34.149 --> 01:28:37.050
Absolutely. And I am really looking forward to

01:28:37.050 --> 01:28:41.930
it. As am I. As I hope all of our family members

01:28:41.930 --> 01:28:47.289
might make it personal to each of them. And I

01:28:47.289 --> 01:28:51.250
just want to just bear testimony in the name

01:28:51.250 --> 01:28:55.869
of Jesus Christ that I know that He lives. I've

01:28:55.869 --> 01:29:00.149
heard his voice. I know what his voice sounds

01:29:00.149 --> 01:29:05.909
like. I've heard his voice. I haven't seen him

01:29:05.909 --> 01:29:11.409
in the flesh. But I've seen him with an eye of

01:29:11.409 --> 01:29:19.250
faith and in dreams and visions. And I know we

01:29:19.250 --> 01:29:23.470
have living special witnesses of the living.

01:29:23.770 --> 01:29:30.170
resurrected Christ on the earth today, and I'm

01:29:30.170 --> 01:29:37.289
not one of them, but if I would have been there

01:29:37.289 --> 01:29:41.270
in the room with the twelve when Jesus appeared

01:29:41.270 --> 01:29:46.050
to them, I would not know more then than I know

01:29:46.050 --> 01:29:53.130
now that He lives. It's beyond faith for me.

01:29:54.439 --> 01:30:02.479
I know it's faith, but I know. And my testimony

01:30:02.479 --> 01:30:06.479
is still growing. It will continue to grow. I'm

01:30:06.479 --> 01:30:10.060
excited to share the witness and the message

01:30:10.060 --> 01:30:15.960
of the Gospel with people in Australia. And I

01:30:15.960 --> 01:30:18.619
look forward to that. I look forward to coming

01:30:18.619 --> 01:30:21.779
home in a year and a half, Scott, and picking

01:30:21.779 --> 01:30:31.829
it up from there. So thank you. Bittersweet.

01:30:34.569 --> 01:30:44.329
Thanks, Dave. I too have been so grateful for

01:30:44.329 --> 01:30:48.170
this opportunity to do this podcast with you,

01:30:48.430 --> 01:30:53.149
but mostly to draw closer through it to my Lord

01:30:53.149 --> 01:30:55.789
and Savior Jesus Christ, which I have done. And

01:30:55.789 --> 01:30:57.989
I think I've done that in ways that would not

01:30:57.989 --> 01:31:01.130
have been available to me otherwise without this

01:31:01.130 --> 01:31:04.289
experience So I'm so grateful for but above everything

01:31:04.289 --> 01:31:06.970
this experience and in every other experience

01:31:06.970 --> 01:31:08.750
that I've ever had in my life I'm grateful for

01:31:08.750 --> 01:31:11.789
the experiences that he had I'm grateful that

01:31:11.789 --> 01:31:16.970
he Was willing to bear my burdens to bear my

01:31:16.970 --> 01:31:19.750
griefs to bear my sorrows to bear my fears to

01:31:19.750 --> 01:31:24.439
bear everything about me that has been a result

01:31:24.439 --> 01:31:26.979
of the fall of Adam and Eve, and I'm grateful

01:31:26.979 --> 01:31:33.380
for that. I'm really grateful, Deb, to also be

01:31:33.380 --> 01:31:37.159
doing this now with you and look forward to that.

01:31:37.479 --> 01:31:39.159
What are your final thoughts today, sweetheart?

01:31:39.319 --> 01:31:42.659
I literally stand all amazed in this holy space.

01:31:43.180 --> 01:31:48.220
It's very, very humbling to feel and to know.

01:31:48.329 --> 01:31:52.710
and to testify of Jesus Christ. My heart has

01:31:52.710 --> 01:31:56.729
been filled. Thank you. Well, thank you. And

01:31:56.729 --> 01:31:59.430
thanks to all of you for being with us. We pray

01:31:59.430 --> 01:32:03.149
that your Easter experience will be everything

01:32:03.149 --> 01:32:06.590
that you hope for and maybe even more than that,

01:32:06.869 --> 01:32:09.270
as you invite the spirit of our Heavenly Father

01:32:09.270 --> 01:32:12.329
to be with you and administrate the blessings

01:32:12.329 --> 01:32:17.590
of Jesus's atonement in this season. We look

01:32:17.590 --> 01:32:19.449
forward to being with you again next week. Deb

01:32:19.449 --> 01:32:21.949
and I do. Good luck on your mission, David. We

01:32:21.949 --> 01:32:25.170
will miss you. We'll look forward to David and

01:32:25.170 --> 01:32:26.810
I. He doesn't know this yet, but we're going

01:32:26.810 --> 01:32:29.949
to be in pretty frequent contact and I will be

01:32:29.949 --> 01:32:32.609
reporting back on his mission as we go. Thanks

01:32:32.609 --> 01:32:34.890
for being with us, everybody. Thanks for being

01:32:34.890 --> 01:32:36.590
with us, everybody. We look forward to being

01:32:36.590 --> 01:32:38.989
with you again next week and until then, be well.