WEBVTT 00:00:16.039 --> 00:00:19.800 Hey there everybody. Welcome out to another episode 00:00:19.800 --> 00:00:22.379 of redeemed through his blood. I'm Scott Durfey 00:00:22.379 --> 00:00:25.739 as always joined by uncle David. Yeah. Thanks. 00:00:25.739 --> 00:00:28.019 Thankful to be here, Scott. We're winding down. 00:00:28.219 --> 00:00:30.940 This is our second to the last episode that you 00:00:30.940 --> 00:00:33.880 and I will be recording together. I'm glad you're 00:00:33.880 --> 00:00:37.399 going to hold it together for 18 months. We'll 00:00:37.399 --> 00:00:40.420 have Deb join us next week as we do our final 00:00:40.420 --> 00:00:44.119 episode. We'll do that one on the events of Easter 00:00:44.119 --> 00:00:47.000 and the meaning of Easter more than just the 00:00:47.000 --> 00:00:51.500 events. We started. That was our maiden voyage. 00:00:51.500 --> 00:00:54.000 That was our first. It was our very first season. 00:00:54.380 --> 00:00:57.560 One episode one was Easter and three years ago. 00:00:57.710 --> 00:01:01.950 Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's been a while anyway. 00:01:02.609 --> 00:01:06.609 So we've been we've been talking a lot about 00:01:06.609 --> 00:01:09.189 the atonement of Jesus Christ. I mean, that's 00:01:09.189 --> 00:01:12.090 the purpose of this whole podcast. But the last 00:01:12.090 --> 00:01:14.569 couple of episodes, we've talked a lot about 00:01:14.569 --> 00:01:17.650 what it covers. that we've talked about, the 00:01:17.650 --> 00:01:20.730 one prior to that, kind of the foundation of 00:01:20.730 --> 00:01:24.109 repentance and forgiveness, the course, the atonement 00:01:24.109 --> 00:01:27.709 of Jesus Christ, of course, et cetera. So today 00:01:27.709 --> 00:01:31.250 we're gonna kind of take off from where we left 00:01:31.250 --> 00:01:33.790 off last week. Last week we were talking about 00:01:33.790 --> 00:01:36.129 the atonement of Jesus Christ and what it covers. 00:01:37.049 --> 00:01:39.709 And today we're gonna touch on the atonement 00:01:39.709 --> 00:01:43.069 of Jesus Christ and. what it provides. Yeah, 00:01:43.109 --> 00:01:45.930 you know, I kind of see it in these two categories, 00:01:45.930 --> 00:01:47.790 Scott. Now, I know there's lots of different 00:01:47.790 --> 00:01:50.890 ways to break this down, lots of different ways 00:01:50.890 --> 00:01:56.930 to teach it and to discuss it. But I see it kind 00:01:56.930 --> 00:01:59.750 of in these two general areas of what it covers, 00:02:00.629 --> 00:02:03.790 which, by the way, is based on a Hebrew word. 00:02:04.010 --> 00:02:07.810 I really based that on the Hebrew word kafar. 00:02:08.250 --> 00:02:11.800 Kafar is kind of the Hebrew word of covered, 00:02:13.240 --> 00:02:19.960 you know, like the cloud covering them by day 00:02:19.960 --> 00:02:25.080 and the light by night, you know, it's just kind 00:02:25.080 --> 00:02:28.740 of, Scott, the word kefar throughout the Old 00:02:28.740 --> 00:02:32.039 Testament has significance to the Hebrews and 00:02:32.039 --> 00:02:37.560 it's kind of the redemption of Jehovah and how 00:02:37.560 --> 00:02:44.310 he provides that provides covers them. It's the 00:02:44.310 --> 00:02:46.710 same as Yom Kippur. Yom Kippur kind of comes 00:02:46.710 --> 00:02:50.889 from that same idea, the Kaffar, that they're 00:02:50.889 --> 00:02:55.849 covered by the Messiah, by Jehovah. He covers 00:02:55.849 --> 00:03:00.580 them. Even the story of Noah. the pitch that 00:03:00.580 --> 00:03:05.020 they use to seal, to kafar, or cover the ark, 00:03:05.520 --> 00:03:07.860 to seal it and protect it from the elements. 00:03:07.900 --> 00:03:10.139 There's a lot of imagery there, too. One of the 00:03:10.139 --> 00:03:13.139 meanings that it kind of seals it, covers it, 00:03:13.379 --> 00:03:18.699 protects it. And I've always kind of thought 00:03:18.699 --> 00:03:20.280 of it, I don't know what the Hebrews do, but 00:03:20.280 --> 00:03:24.240 when I hear kafar, I just think of a warm comforter, 00:03:24.900 --> 00:03:28.919 a blanket, I'm covered, I'm... You know, I'm 00:03:28.919 --> 00:03:33.479 protected I anyway, I love that imagery that 00:03:33.479 --> 00:03:37.539 the atonement of Christ covers us In many ways 00:03:37.539 --> 00:03:41.319 we listed those and then I I also see the atonement 00:03:41.319 --> 00:03:44.719 of Jesus Christ as a as a gift that provides 00:03:44.719 --> 00:03:49.900 for us it provides so many things for us in fact, 00:03:49.979 --> 00:03:53.139 let me just I'm just gonna run through this list 00:03:53.139 --> 00:03:55.800 that I made and it's I'm sure it's incomplete 00:03:58.219 --> 00:04:00.759 everyone should make their own list of how they 00:04:00.759 --> 00:04:04.219 feel what the atonement of Jesus Christ provides 00:04:04.219 --> 00:04:09.159 for them personally. But redemptive power, which 00:04:09.159 --> 00:04:13.340 is mercy. Enabling power, which is grace. Compensatory 00:04:13.340 --> 00:04:17.379 power, which makes all things equal. Or equity, 00:04:17.600 --> 00:04:21.379 brings equity. Transformation or change of heart 00:04:21.379 --> 00:04:25.589 and nature. reparation for sins and wrongs expiation 00:04:25.589 --> 00:04:29.490 for man which means cleansing or to be become 00:04:29.490 --> 00:04:33.529 clean propitiation for God which means his justice 00:04:33.529 --> 00:04:38.189 is fulfilled reconciliation with one selves oneself 00:04:38.189 --> 00:04:41.970 others and divinity justification sanctification 00:04:41.970 --> 00:04:46.629 glorification perfection or wholeness suckering 00:04:46.629 --> 00:04:50.149 and divine empathy strength beyond our own merits 00:04:50.149 --> 00:04:53.889 of righteousness Healing, physical, spiritual, 00:04:53.930 --> 00:04:56.790 and emotional healing trials and afflictions 00:04:56.790 --> 00:05:00.790 consecrated for our gain and restored what was 00:05:00.790 --> 00:05:04.290 lost and fixed what was broken, which is another 00:05:04.290 --> 00:05:08.790 kind of a Hebrew term, which is Tikkun Olam, 00:05:09.050 --> 00:05:12.850 a Hebrew word to, which means to repair the world, 00:05:12.970 --> 00:05:17.089 to fix the world. That was another term that 00:05:17.089 --> 00:05:19.970 they used often to describe. what the messiah 00:05:19.970 --> 00:05:22.750 would do for them and that's an appropriate um 00:05:22.750 --> 00:05:25.769 term because you know with the the the atonement 00:05:25.769 --> 00:05:28.370 of jesus christ offsets the effects of the fall 00:05:28.370 --> 00:05:31.129 of adam and eve which is the fall provides all 00:05:31.129 --> 00:05:33.889 of that yeah so the atonement of christ covers 00:05:33.889 --> 00:05:38.430 and provides and last week we talked about what 00:05:38.430 --> 00:05:41.629 it covers this week we were going to just go 00:05:41.629 --> 00:05:46.290 into maybe more depth on what it on what it provides 00:05:47.220 --> 00:05:49.500 But before we do, hang on Dave, before you go 00:05:49.500 --> 00:05:51.800 on, I'm just going to let our listeners know 00:05:51.800 --> 00:05:54.300 that's quite a list. And if you're trying to 00:05:54.300 --> 00:05:56.579 write all that down, don't bother. I'm going 00:05:56.579 --> 00:05:59.540 to copy and paste that into the show notes for 00:05:59.540 --> 00:06:02.279 this episode. So those, those will actually be 00:06:02.279 --> 00:06:04.939 there in the show notes. Awesome. Yeah. I think 00:06:04.939 --> 00:06:09.319 there's, um, I'm still adding to that list. That's 00:06:09.319 --> 00:06:12.740 an imperfect list and I'm still adding and taking 00:06:12.740 --> 00:06:16.740 away and kind of playing with that and hope our 00:06:16.740 --> 00:06:18.079 listeners will do that. Yeah, it'll give our 00:06:18.079 --> 00:06:20.660 listeners an opportunity to kind of a place to 00:06:20.660 --> 00:06:23.879 start themselves. I want to eventually in my 00:06:23.879 --> 00:06:27.399 study of scriptures as I study I'm making lists 00:06:27.399 --> 00:06:31.240 of scriptures and as I listen to general conference, 00:06:31.360 --> 00:06:35.139 old conference talks and this coming weekend 00:06:35.139 --> 00:06:38.199 it'll be general conference again. I know everybody's 00:06:38.199 --> 00:06:41.740 getting this a week later but to listen to the 00:06:41.740 --> 00:06:45.240 prophets and to put down conference talks under 00:06:45.240 --> 00:06:49.240 each one of these categories or list of scripture 00:06:49.240 --> 00:06:55.600 verses That's kind of my next project so anyway 00:06:55.600 --> 00:07:00.800 Before we really get into the list And I don't 00:07:00.800 --> 00:07:03.019 really like lists, so I hate to call it that 00:07:03.019 --> 00:07:07.639 but anyway Before we get into the powers that 00:07:07.639 --> 00:07:11.050 the atonement of Jesus Christ provides us Want 00:07:11.050 --> 00:07:15.029 to read this from President Nelson and this is 00:07:15.029 --> 00:07:18.990 we've referenced this before Scott. I still hear 00:07:18.990 --> 00:07:24.730 this Kind of mistake being made that takes a 00:07:24.730 --> 00:07:28.470 long time to change a culture and to to change 00:07:28.470 --> 00:07:32.250 You know some bad habits that we have in the 00:07:32.250 --> 00:07:35.329 church but President Nelson was sensitive to 00:07:35.329 --> 00:07:37.629 this eight years ago when he was president of 00:07:37.629 --> 00:07:40.339 the Quorum of the Twelve this just a the year 00:07:40.339 --> 00:07:42.779 not even a full year before he became president 00:07:42.779 --> 00:07:45.420 of the church that he gave this talk and it's 00:07:45.420 --> 00:07:48.100 pretty obvious that the 12 at least the quorum 00:07:48.100 --> 00:07:51.860 of the 12 had been talking about this um even 00:07:51.860 --> 00:07:54.939 the first presidency because president iring 00:07:54.939 --> 00:07:58.459 and elder holland when they did a little fireside 00:07:58.459 --> 00:08:01.740 for the youth in palmyra a face -to -face they 00:08:01.740 --> 00:08:05.579 called it back in uh i think it was may of 2017 00:08:05.579 --> 00:08:11.750 they um a girl from the United States they were 00:08:11.750 --> 00:08:15.149 they had a list of questions from youth all around 00:08:15.149 --> 00:08:17.370 the world and there was a girl from the United 00:08:17.370 --> 00:08:21.589 States I think from Utah who said so how can 00:08:21.589 --> 00:08:25.050 how can I access the atonement of Jesus how can 00:08:25.050 --> 00:08:28.170 I access the atonement that was the question 00:08:28.170 --> 00:08:32.730 well we rewatched that you and I just this morning 00:08:32.730 --> 00:08:38.139 I wanted to revisit that and and what did you 00:08:38.139 --> 00:08:41.639 notice? Oh my gosh. So first of all, this is 00:08:41.639 --> 00:08:44.620 taking place at the Sacred Grove, the visitor 00:08:44.620 --> 00:08:46.440 center there at the Sacred Grove. There's no 00:08:46.440 --> 00:08:49.039 outside, you know, there's some squeaky clean 00:08:49.039 --> 00:08:51.840 youth and young, I'm assuming, young single adults 00:08:51.840 --> 00:08:54.399 potentially maybe. I think they're just youth, 00:08:54.559 --> 00:08:56.500 I think they're up to 18. Okay, okay, so they're 00:08:56.500 --> 00:08:59.299 all - 14 to 18, face to face. And they have this 00:08:59.299 --> 00:09:02.019 opportunity to be meeting with, you're not supposed 00:09:02.019 --> 00:09:04.080 to have favorites maybe, but two of my favorite 00:09:04.080 --> 00:09:07.539 apostles, you're Holland and Eyring. I love how 00:09:07.539 --> 00:09:12.200 Eyring cries when he gives it, I love it. He's 00:09:12.200 --> 00:09:14.059 a little bit emotional. He's tender -hearted. 00:09:14.259 --> 00:09:16.679 Yeah, and I love that because that emotion comes 00:09:16.679 --> 00:09:18.879 through when this question is answered. So as 00:09:18.879 --> 00:09:21.139 soon as the person, you can just see Elder Eyring. 00:09:21.600 --> 00:09:24.919 In the beginning, before, he's just sitting relaxed, 00:09:25.759 --> 00:09:30.120 just super calm and just as appropriate but relaxed 00:09:30.120 --> 00:09:33.039 and all of that. When this question is being 00:09:33.039 --> 00:09:35.669 asked, you can see him. The tension building 00:09:35.669 --> 00:09:38.250 almost inside of him. And then as soon as it's 00:09:38.250 --> 00:09:40.750 done, he puts his hand over Tilder Holland, almost 00:09:40.750 --> 00:09:43.929 as if to say, I got this one. Right. You know, 00:09:44.070 --> 00:09:46.830 right. And he almost jumps right out of his seat. 00:09:47.029 --> 00:09:50.490 His face lightens up. Set up straight. He becomes 00:09:50.490 --> 00:09:54.009 more alive than he was prior. Because he gets 00:09:54.009 --> 00:09:56.350 to talk about what comes out of his chair, because 00:09:56.350 --> 00:09:58.690 he gets to talk about what he has been called 00:09:58.690 --> 00:10:01.909 to witness. And I love this. And you could tell 00:10:01.909 --> 00:10:04.509 it's fresh on his mind. They've been talking 00:10:04.509 --> 00:10:08.350 about it. And he says, you know, not there, there 00:10:08.350 --> 00:10:10.230 isn't a more important question that could be 00:10:10.230 --> 00:10:12.570 asked. That's exactly what he said. And then, 00:10:12.570 --> 00:10:17.669 then he starts to go in to explain, uh, and maybe 00:10:17.669 --> 00:10:21.960 in a very kind, sweet way, correct. This question 00:10:21.960 --> 00:10:23.899 by saying, you know, we shouldn't speak of the 00:10:23.899 --> 00:10:26.539 atonement as though it's its own thing There 00:10:26.539 --> 00:10:30.259 is there's no an atonement without Jesus Christ 00:10:30.259 --> 00:10:33.679 because again, the question was how can I access 00:10:33.679 --> 00:10:38.340 the atonement and He picked up on that and he 00:10:38.340 --> 00:10:43.519 went into the fact that we don't access the atonement 00:10:43.519 --> 00:10:48.340 we have to learn how to access the power of Jesus 00:10:48.340 --> 00:10:52.620 Christ because it's available to us through the 00:10:52.620 --> 00:10:55.399 atonement. And then Elder Holland picks up on 00:10:55.399 --> 00:10:59.299 that and through the administration of the Holy 00:10:59.299 --> 00:11:05.879 Ghost. The atonement has no power. The power 00:11:05.879 --> 00:11:11.320 is in Jesus Christ and his atoning sacrifice 00:11:11.320 --> 00:11:15.759 administered into our lives through the Holy 00:11:15.759 --> 00:11:22.600 Ghost. this is from President Nelson, which was 00:11:22.600 --> 00:11:25.299 just a month before that face -to -face fireside 00:11:25.299 --> 00:11:29.220 and President Nelson in general conference they 00:11:29.220 --> 00:11:31.980 call everybody remember this but again we forget 00:11:31.980 --> 00:11:36.399 so I'm just this is just a kind reminder and 00:11:36.399 --> 00:11:38.679 I hope that we can all do better with this myself 00:11:38.679 --> 00:11:42.820 included as Latter -day Saints we refer to his 00:11:42.820 --> 00:11:47.460 mission the atonement of Jesus Christ which made 00:11:47.460 --> 00:11:50.940 resurrection or reality for all and made eternal 00:11:50.940 --> 00:11:54.519 life possible for those who repent of their sins 00:11:54.519 --> 00:11:58.659 and receive any and keep essential ordinances 00:11:58.659 --> 00:12:02.200 and covenants and then here it here comes the 00:12:02.200 --> 00:12:10.700 prophetic correction and invitation it is doctrinally 00:12:10.700 --> 00:12:16.019 incomplete To speak of the Lord's atoning sacrifice 00:12:16.019 --> 00:12:23.120 by shortcut phrases such as Quote the atonement 00:12:23.120 --> 00:12:27.919 or quote the enabling power of the atonement 00:12:27.919 --> 00:12:31.240 When he when he said that my mind immediately 00:12:31.240 --> 00:12:34.139 went to elder Bednar's talk he gave when he was 00:12:34.139 --> 00:12:38.299 president at BYU, Idaho, and that was a term 00:12:38.299 --> 00:12:41.340 that he used over and over in his talk the enabling 00:12:41.340 --> 00:12:45.620 power of the atonement or third here's the third 00:12:45.620 --> 00:12:52.139 one quote applying the atonement or quote being 00:12:52.139 --> 00:12:56.080 strengthened by the atonement and we could add 00:12:56.080 --> 00:12:58.679 the question that was asked in the face -to -face 00:12:58.679 --> 00:13:05.059 or accessing the atonement these expressions 00:13:05.059 --> 00:13:11.980 present a real risk of misdirecting faith by 00:13:11.980 --> 00:13:18.240 treating the event as if it in italic it's italicized 00:13:18.240 --> 00:13:23.539 as if it had a living existence and capabilities 00:13:23.539 --> 00:13:26.919 independent of our Heavenly Father and his son 00:13:26.919 --> 00:13:31.399 Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost under the Father's 00:13:31.399 --> 00:13:34.340 great eternal plan it is the Savior who suffered 00:13:34.490 --> 00:13:37.690 It is the Savior who broke the bands of death. 00:13:38.129 --> 00:13:41.029 It is the Savior who paid the price for our sins 00:13:41.029 --> 00:13:44.830 and Transgression and blots them out on condition 00:13:44.830 --> 00:13:47.990 of our repentance. It is the Savior who delivers 00:13:47.990 --> 00:13:52.889 us from physical and spiritual death There is 00:13:52.889 --> 00:13:59.789 no amorphous entity called the atonement Upon 00:13:59.789 --> 00:14:02.590 which we may call for sucker healing forgiveness 00:14:02.590 --> 00:14:09.360 or power Jesus Christ is the source of that power 00:14:09.360 --> 00:14:12.980 Sacred terms such as atonement and resurrection 00:14:12.980 --> 00:14:16.580 Describe what the Savior did According to the 00:14:16.580 --> 00:14:19.700 Father's plan so that we may live with hope in 00:14:19.700 --> 00:14:22.360 this life and gain eternal life in the world 00:14:22.360 --> 00:14:27.100 to come the Savior's atoning sacrifice the central 00:14:27.100 --> 00:14:30.799 act of all human history is best understood and 00:14:30.799 --> 00:14:35.500 appreciated when we expressly and clearly Connected 00:14:35.500 --> 00:14:40.580 to him If it's not so so Scott that's president 00:14:40.580 --> 00:14:46.679 Nelson April 2017 if you ever if we ever use 00:14:46.679 --> 00:14:50.519 the term the atonement of Jesus Christ, it's 00:14:50.519 --> 00:14:54.960 just really incomplete if it's not connected 00:14:54.960 --> 00:15:01.879 to Jesus Christ Savior Redeemer Son of God so 00:15:01.879 --> 00:15:07.059 that we understand clearly in our own minds and 00:15:07.059 --> 00:15:11.240 as we try and attempt to teach it to others that 00:15:11.240 --> 00:15:14.820 the power is not in the atonement. There's no 00:15:14.820 --> 00:15:20.059 power in the atonement. The power is made possible 00:15:20.059 --> 00:15:25.080 through the atonement by Jesus Christ. Jesus 00:15:25.080 --> 00:15:31.480 Christ is the source of the power. And the Holy 00:15:31.480 --> 00:15:34.799 Ghost administers, is the administrator and the 00:15:34.799 --> 00:15:38.039 messenger of the atonement of Jesus Christ in 00:15:38.039 --> 00:15:42.399 our lives. And there's lots of scriptures on 00:15:42.399 --> 00:15:45.970 that. You know, I think that this is something 00:15:45.970 --> 00:15:51.049 that we're still growing into. I still hear and, 00:15:51.049 --> 00:15:53.529 you know, maybe I'm even guilty from time to 00:15:53.529 --> 00:15:57.750 time when in my casual approach, perhaps. But 00:15:57.750 --> 00:16:00.470 when I'm talking about Christ's power and his 00:16:00.470 --> 00:16:02.250 atonement, the power that's made available through 00:16:02.250 --> 00:16:05.370 his atonement, I still hear sometimes we talk 00:16:05.370 --> 00:16:07.429 about when I say we, you know, as a group, as 00:16:07.429 --> 00:16:10.889 a culture, as a church, we still sometimes talk 00:16:10.889 --> 00:16:13.409 about. the atonement. So I know that we're making 00:16:13.409 --> 00:16:19.409 progress along those lines, but this is again 00:16:19.409 --> 00:16:22.750 something I think that will require our eternal 00:16:22.750 --> 00:16:26.009 focus, because it really is a focus on Jesus 00:16:26.009 --> 00:16:30.669 Christ. It's Jesus' power. Jesus' power is made 00:16:30.669 --> 00:16:33.990 available to me because He atoned. It's what 00:16:33.990 --> 00:16:38.490 He did. The atonement is what he did. The atonement, 00:16:38.610 --> 00:16:40.309 Elder Holland in this same talk that we just 00:16:40.309 --> 00:16:42.789 referenced even says the atonement's not just 00:16:42.789 --> 00:16:44.970 something that's standing alone out in the field. 00:16:46.149 --> 00:16:49.909 The atonement is what Jesus did to make his power 00:16:49.909 --> 00:16:53.690 available. We're not sure of the atonement. Which 00:16:53.690 --> 00:16:56.210 is administered the power of Jesus Christ, which 00:16:56.210 --> 00:16:58.230 is administered again through the power of the 00:16:58.230 --> 00:17:02.080 Holy Ghost. We're not we're not the Church of 00:17:02.080 --> 00:17:05.539 Gethsemane. We're not the Church of Calvary We're 00:17:05.539 --> 00:17:09.059 not the Church of the Atonement We are the Church 00:17:09.059 --> 00:17:12.940 of Jesus Christ and all the power all the blessings 00:17:12.940 --> 00:17:17.019 all That the Atonement of Jesus Christ covers 00:17:17.019 --> 00:17:22.220 and provides Comes in flows into our life through 00:17:22.220 --> 00:17:29.299 him because of him by administered by the Holy 00:17:29.299 --> 00:17:34.420 Ghost into our lives. Jesus Christ is the source 00:17:34.420 --> 00:17:39.299 of that power. So I just think that's really 00:17:39.299 --> 00:17:44.259 important for our listeners to kind of wrestle 00:17:44.259 --> 00:17:49.079 with if they haven't already and to make sure 00:17:49.079 --> 00:17:54.480 that we kind of make that distinction and that 00:17:54.480 --> 00:17:58.960 we make that correction. in how we discuss it. 00:17:59.500 --> 00:18:05.880 Again, I don't think it's a sin. This discussion 00:18:05.880 --> 00:18:08.680 kind of reminds me of when President Ezra Taft 00:18:08.680 --> 00:18:11.359 Benson gave the talk on pride. And nobody could 00:18:11.359 --> 00:18:14.880 use the word pride after that. Everybody said, 00:18:14.940 --> 00:18:17.660 I'm very pleased with my family. They couldn't 00:18:17.660 --> 00:18:21.200 say I'm proud of my family. Everybody just thought 00:18:21.200 --> 00:18:28.039 any form of pride was wicked. I don't want anybody 00:18:28.039 --> 00:18:33.740 to take this to an extreme, but I think what's 00:18:33.740 --> 00:18:37.880 key here is just making sure we all understand 00:18:37.880 --> 00:18:42.480 the source of the power. All that we're doing 00:18:42.480 --> 00:18:45.460 here is redirecting or ensuring the direction 00:18:45.460 --> 00:18:50.819 of our focus. We're just making sure that it's 00:18:50.819 --> 00:18:54.990 him who's the center. Well, anyway, so let's 00:18:54.990 --> 00:19:00.089 let's just see how far we can go Scott and So 00:19:00.089 --> 00:19:02.450 we've always in this podcast talked about the 00:19:02.450 --> 00:19:05.890 three powers the three powers of the atonement 00:19:05.890 --> 00:19:10.569 As I like to think of it at least is the redemptive 00:19:10.569 --> 00:19:14.950 power Which the scriptures call mercy and that's 00:19:14.950 --> 00:19:19.109 where we're saved We're redeemed where we overcome 00:19:19.109 --> 00:19:23.099 ours our sins where we're forgiven, this is kind 00:19:23.099 --> 00:19:27.940 of the power to be forgiven and to redeemed and 00:19:27.940 --> 00:19:33.420 to turn around and to face the Savior and move 00:19:33.420 --> 00:19:36.799 in His direction, this redemptive power. And 00:19:36.799 --> 00:19:40.980 the enabling power, which I think the term for 00:19:40.980 --> 00:19:43.180 that is grace, at least according to the Bible 00:19:43.180 --> 00:19:46.259 dictionary, which Elder Bednar picked up long 00:19:46.259 --> 00:19:48.700 before he was an apostle and gave that amazing 00:19:48.859 --> 00:19:52.160 amazing talk in The Strength of the Lord, and 00:19:52.160 --> 00:19:55.599 over and over again how the Book of Mormon especially 00:19:55.599 --> 00:19:58.900 talks about the strength of the Lord. That's 00:19:58.900 --> 00:20:02.519 a really awesome, by the way, topic to research 00:20:02.519 --> 00:20:07.529 if our listeners want a fun topic. do a little 00:20:07.529 --> 00:20:09.869 scripture study on the strength of the Lord. 00:20:10.670 --> 00:20:14.490 We call that grace, and that's the enabling power 00:20:14.490 --> 00:20:18.670 that enables us to do things beyond our own. 00:20:19.509 --> 00:20:25.250 And then we have the compensatory powers that 00:20:25.250 --> 00:20:28.529 are available to us through Jesus Christ and 00:20:28.529 --> 00:20:31.490 his atonement. And I think those compensatory 00:20:31.490 --> 00:20:35.509 powers are somewhat, somewhat unconditional, 00:20:36.009 --> 00:20:39.880 Scott. Um, the redemptive power, I think is conditional. 00:20:40.079 --> 00:20:43.079 The enabling power is mostly conditional, but 00:20:43.079 --> 00:20:45.380 I think the compensatory powers that flow into 00:20:45.380 --> 00:20:49.299 our life are mostly unconditional because all 00:20:49.299 --> 00:20:52.740 of the, uh, I get unfairness of life. The things 00:20:52.740 --> 00:20:58.490 that, um, We didn't choose the things that are 00:20:58.490 --> 00:21:02.650 acted upon us, the abuse that one may suffer 00:21:02.650 --> 00:21:06.869 or the conditions one may be born into, that 00:21:06.869 --> 00:21:11.170 there are compensatory powers. There is an equity 00:21:11.170 --> 00:21:15.630 available to us through the atonement of Jesus 00:21:15.630 --> 00:21:20.599 Christ that the brethren have. have chosen to 00:21:20.599 --> 00:21:23.500 call and that that's a term compensatory power 00:21:23.500 --> 00:21:29.400 is a is kind of a new latter half's 20th century 00:21:29.400 --> 00:21:34.000 term in the in the church that really really 00:21:34.000 --> 00:21:36.819 began really in that not until like the 1980s 00:21:36.819 --> 00:21:40.000 they I think they began to use this term occasionally 00:21:40.000 --> 00:21:43.420 and I'll bet we'll hear it again in general conference 00:21:43.420 --> 00:21:47.670 this weekend the compensatory powers of Jesus 00:21:47.670 --> 00:21:51.269 Christ and his atonement. Can I make a comment 00:21:51.269 --> 00:21:53.470 around compensatory powers? You said, and I agree 00:21:53.470 --> 00:21:55.569 with you, that probably most of the compensatory 00:21:55.569 --> 00:22:00.910 powers are unconditional. However, for some of 00:22:00.910 --> 00:22:06.000 us... a lot of people have had things that have 00:22:06.000 --> 00:22:09.880 happened to them. And when we think, okay, if 00:22:09.880 --> 00:22:11.960 the compensatory blessings are unconditional, 00:22:12.400 --> 00:22:15.140 then when do I feel the effects of that blessing? 00:22:15.559 --> 00:22:20.920 So we know that in eternity, that those compensatory 00:22:20.920 --> 00:22:23.359 blessings are probably unconditional for that 00:22:23.359 --> 00:22:27.000 soul. In order for us - It affects their judgment. 00:22:27.460 --> 00:22:30.700 Yeah, exactly. But we can still heal or have 00:22:30.700 --> 00:22:35.109 some level of healing potentially, from those 00:22:35.109 --> 00:22:37.789 traumas, from those things in our lives that 00:22:37.789 --> 00:22:40.930 are in the past, and it is only through our alignment, 00:22:41.109 --> 00:22:43.390 through Christ's atonement, that we can feel 00:22:43.390 --> 00:22:46.269 that blessing in our lives here. So sure, there's 00:22:46.269 --> 00:22:48.349 an unconditional part, but there's a conditional 00:22:48.349 --> 00:22:51.509 part too, which requires our effort in aligning 00:22:51.509 --> 00:22:53.930 that we might feel the compensatory blessings 00:22:53.930 --> 00:22:56.789 while still in this life. Yeah, yeah, that's 00:22:56.789 --> 00:22:59.809 true. You know, I think that one of the scriptures 00:22:59.809 --> 00:23:03.420 that goes along with this is, Um, and if men 00:23:03.420 --> 00:23:07.500 come unto me, I will show unto them their weakness. 00:23:08.920 --> 00:23:13.460 I give unto men weakness that they may be humble. 00:23:15.279 --> 00:23:18.099 And if they humble themselves before me, and 00:23:18.099 --> 00:23:21.140 then he says, and my grace is sufficient. My 00:23:21.140 --> 00:23:24.000 grace is sufficient for all men that humble themselves 00:23:24.000 --> 00:23:26.920 before me. And if they humble themselves before 00:23:26.920 --> 00:23:31.119 me and have faith in me. then will I make weak 00:23:31.119 --> 00:23:37.599 things become strong unto them. This is obviously 00:23:37.599 --> 00:23:40.160 the enabling power because it's the strengthening 00:23:40.160 --> 00:23:43.359 and enabling powers of the atonement of Jesus 00:23:43.359 --> 00:23:46.400 Christ, but I also think it it applies to the 00:23:46.400 --> 00:23:50.200 compensatory powers of our lives as well. It's 00:23:50.200 --> 00:23:54.480 the scripture and I've told the whole story about 00:23:54.480 --> 00:23:56.940 connected with this scripture in Doctrine and 00:23:56.940 --> 00:24:03.690 Covenants. Section 4615, that Jesus Christ administers 00:24:03.690 --> 00:24:08.490 the atonement of Jesus Christ and his mercy into 00:24:08.490 --> 00:24:14.289 our lives according to our conditions. That the 00:24:14.289 --> 00:24:17.990 atonement of Jesus Christ's mercy is applied 00:24:17.990 --> 00:24:20.710 in our life according to conditions. That's kind 00:24:20.710 --> 00:24:27.039 of the compensatory powers, Scott. And it's related 00:24:27.039 --> 00:24:31.140 to later in the list. It's related to the suckering 00:24:31.140 --> 00:24:37.220 and divine empathy and some of those gifts as 00:24:37.220 --> 00:24:40.319 well that are available to us through through 00:24:40.319 --> 00:24:44.819 Jesus Christ and his atonement so anyway, I refer 00:24:44.819 --> 00:24:50.259 to those three powers the redemptive power Mercy 00:24:50.259 --> 00:24:54.180 enabling power grace and the compensatory power 00:24:56.680 --> 00:25:00.960 It'll make life fair. Well then we have all of 00:25:00.960 --> 00:25:05.019 these, I'm gonna rattle off this list. Transformation, 00:25:05.339 --> 00:25:10.019 reparation, expiation, propitiation, reconciliation, 00:25:10.819 --> 00:25:13.339 justification, sanctification, glorification, 00:25:13.920 --> 00:25:18.279 and perfection. That's a lot of shuns. Yes it 00:25:18.279 --> 00:25:22.309 is. That's a lot of shuns. Which one? Which one 00:25:22.309 --> 00:25:24.450 do you wanna? I wanna talk about transformation, 00:25:24.589 --> 00:25:27.390 change of heart and nature. We've kind of already 00:25:27.390 --> 00:25:31.190 done that, so transformation. We've kind of already 00:25:31.190 --> 00:25:33.650 done that as we talk about the enabling and the 00:25:33.650 --> 00:25:35.950 redemptive and the compensatory power powers. 00:25:36.150 --> 00:25:39.009 I think that we'll probably find those top three 00:25:39.009 --> 00:25:42.549 will kind of weave their way into all of this. 00:25:42.569 --> 00:25:45.369 Yeah, for sure, for sure. But when we talk about 00:25:45.369 --> 00:25:47.990 transformation, a couple of weeks ago, three 00:25:47.990 --> 00:25:50.069 or four weeks ago, and as a matter of fact, tonight 00:25:50.069 --> 00:25:52.259 in Institute World, we're gonna be focusing on 00:25:52.259 --> 00:25:55.200 this because we had a young, we've actually had 00:25:55.200 --> 00:25:58.319 several questions about how do I change? How 00:25:58.319 --> 00:26:01.220 much work should I do and then rely on the savior, 00:26:01.480 --> 00:26:04.759 you know, and all that. So transformation is 00:26:04.759 --> 00:26:07.440 how do we change? How do we become different 00:26:07.440 --> 00:26:12.460 than we currently are? 27, 28 years ago, I was 00:26:12.460 --> 00:26:15.500 stuck and I needed transformation and I was hopeless. 00:26:15.559 --> 00:26:18.059 I just couldn't find transformation, thank goodness. 00:26:18.460 --> 00:26:21.430 Well. literally thank God for the atonement of 00:26:21.430 --> 00:26:23.789 Jesus Christ because it was then, and it was 00:26:23.789 --> 00:26:25.549 only through the atonement of Jesus Christ that 00:26:25.549 --> 00:26:28.849 transformation began to take place in my life. 00:26:28.869 --> 00:26:30.769 And I'm still in that process of transformation 00:26:30.769 --> 00:26:34.289 through the atonement of Jesus Christ. We all 00:26:34.289 --> 00:26:39.230 are. We all are and we all need it. But I really, 00:26:40.450 --> 00:26:43.069 this may be too strong for some people and you'd 00:26:43.069 --> 00:26:47.400 have to know my mind and heart. I really believe, 00:26:47.640 --> 00:26:50.740 Scott, that the gospel of Jesus Christ is not 00:26:50.740 --> 00:26:55.160 about conforming. It's not about performing. 00:26:56.420 --> 00:27:03.640 It's about Christ transforming us into saints, 00:27:03.859 --> 00:27:10.819 which again is mosaic 319. The natural man is 00:27:10.819 --> 00:27:13.000 an enemy to God and has been from the fall of 00:27:13.000 --> 00:27:16.029 Adam and will be forever and ever. Unless he 00:27:16.029 --> 00:27:18.650 yields to the enticings of the Holy Spirit and 00:27:18.650 --> 00:27:22.410 put us off the natural man through the atonement 00:27:22.410 --> 00:27:27.670 of Jesus Christ our Lord That's the gospel that's 00:27:27.670 --> 00:27:31.630 the gospel that's the heart and soul of the matter 00:27:31.630 --> 00:27:36.869 is it's not about Conforming it's not about performing 00:27:36.869 --> 00:27:40.309 which I think some Latter -day Saints get so 00:27:40.309 --> 00:27:44.859 caught up in conforming and performing It's about 00:27:44.859 --> 00:27:49.700 a relationship with Christ and allowing him to 00:27:49.700 --> 00:27:54.779 transform us, being transformed. Christ transforming 00:27:54.779 --> 00:27:59.359 us through the atonement of Jesus Christ, through 00:27:59.359 --> 00:28:02.400 his grace, through his mercy, through all of 00:28:02.400 --> 00:28:07.799 that. That's really the gospel system. So I just 00:28:07.799 --> 00:28:12.339 think that's critical that people think of the 00:28:12.339 --> 00:28:19.089 gospel. If we're not, if we're not being transformed, 00:28:20.490 --> 00:28:23.329 if there's no transformation, Scott, if we can't 00:28:23.329 --> 00:28:26.950 change, not just behaviors, repentance, remember 00:28:26.950 --> 00:28:30.450 what repentance is not. It is not just a change 00:28:30.450 --> 00:28:35.650 of behaviors. It's a change of nature and it's 00:28:35.650 --> 00:28:41.430 a change of heart and mind. So I, I just think 00:28:41.430 --> 00:28:45.750 that's. One of the real beautiful things about 00:28:45.750 --> 00:28:49.029 the atonement of Jesus Christ is that through 00:28:49.029 --> 00:28:54.440 him we can be transformed Any others stick out 00:28:54.440 --> 00:28:57.099 to you? You know, I'm actually just going in 00:28:57.099 --> 00:28:59.220 order. Reparation for sins and wrongs committed. 00:28:59.299 --> 00:29:02.019 This is also a very big one for me. And again, 00:29:02.440 --> 00:29:04.640 you know, this is going to tie back into one 00:29:04.640 --> 00:29:07.660 of the original three, specifically the compensatory 00:29:07.660 --> 00:29:10.539 power. You know, when I think of reparation for 00:29:10.539 --> 00:29:13.880 sins or wrongs I've committed, that is. What 00:29:13.880 --> 00:29:16.779 is it? What does reparation mean to you? To repair. 00:29:17.119 --> 00:29:19.579 To make right. To make what was wrong right. 00:29:19.980 --> 00:29:24.279 To make wrong in your life right or to make wrong 00:29:24.279 --> 00:29:27.380 because of your sins in the lives of others right? 00:29:28.240 --> 00:29:32.019 Both, both, but what I'm thinking of right now 00:29:32.019 --> 00:29:35.740 is making what I, the sins, the discomforts in 00:29:35.740 --> 00:29:38.039 life that I've caused others because of my sins. 00:29:38.039 --> 00:29:41.259 That's the reparation. I'm concerned about repairing 00:29:41.259 --> 00:29:45.200 my own life. My focus tends to lately be, oh 00:29:45.200 --> 00:29:47.880 boy, I need to really figure out how do I make 00:29:47.880 --> 00:29:50.319 reparation, but I don't make reparations in those 00:29:50.319 --> 00:29:54.799 lives. And I can't, and I'm so grateful when 00:29:54.799 --> 00:29:57.500 I was able to grasp the understanding of that. 00:29:57.450 --> 00:30:00.130 concept that it's not I mean I need to do what 00:30:00.130 --> 00:30:03.950 I can and I need to align I need to show love 00:30:03.950 --> 00:30:07.549 and gratitude for him make all the restitution 00:30:07.549 --> 00:30:10.170 you can I do I need to do all that but but I 00:30:10.170 --> 00:30:12.569 need to know that no matter how hard I try it 00:30:12.569 --> 00:30:15.589 will always be inadequate right and so what I 00:30:15.589 --> 00:30:18.250 really need to focus on is my relationship with 00:30:18.250 --> 00:30:21.109 deity so that the blessings the compensatory 00:30:21.109 --> 00:30:24.210 blessings of the atonement of Jesus Christ they're 00:30:24.210 --> 00:30:28.599 gonna happen whether I participate in them or 00:30:28.599 --> 00:30:31.539 not for other people, but this is going to help 00:30:31.539 --> 00:30:36.319 that reconciliation within me as far as, I mean, 00:30:36.920 --> 00:30:40.680 I see a therapist, and I was talking to him just 00:30:40.680 --> 00:30:42.819 a couple of nights ago, and he said to me, he 00:30:42.819 --> 00:30:45.759 says, Scott, what's your biggest fear? And I 00:30:45.759 --> 00:30:47.359 had to think about it, but I didn't have to think 00:30:47.359 --> 00:30:49.240 too long, but I said, my biggest fear is that 00:30:49.240 --> 00:30:50.940 I won't be able to make the wrongs that I've 00:30:50.940 --> 00:30:56.579 caused others, right? And that's just a lie right 00:30:56.579 --> 00:30:58.519 off the bat, isn't it? That I can't make them 00:30:58.519 --> 00:31:00.460 right? Because I don't have the power to make 00:31:00.460 --> 00:31:02.220 them right anyway. You can't do it anyway. Who 00:31:02.220 --> 00:31:04.900 do I think I am? Whose place am I putting me 00:31:04.900 --> 00:31:06.799 in? And that's pretty... Man, that's a lot of 00:31:06.799 --> 00:31:09.539 pressure, Scott. It's not almost. It's kind of 00:31:09.539 --> 00:31:11.660 blasphemous. It's kind of blasphemous because 00:31:11.660 --> 00:31:15.210 you set yourself up to be like a god. But I think 00:31:15.210 --> 00:31:18.630 that you can repair everything, all the damage 00:31:18.630 --> 00:31:20.730 that you've done. You know, so here we get into 00:31:20.730 --> 00:31:22.970 some psychoanalysis, but what some of that is 00:31:22.970 --> 00:31:26.869 also is me listening to the accuser. Yeah. Right. 00:31:27.569 --> 00:31:32.970 Accuser and psycho. Cycle babble, yeah. Cycle 00:31:32.970 --> 00:31:35.849 babble. Yeah, that's good, that's good, I haven't 00:31:35.849 --> 00:31:39.789 heard that term. So anyway, Scott, I love that, 00:31:39.829 --> 00:31:42.250 the reparation for sins, and I love the way you 00:31:42.250 --> 00:31:44.130 think of it, and that's how I think of it. I 00:31:44.130 --> 00:31:51.329 mean, to the extreme, if one has stolen someone's 00:31:51.329 --> 00:31:57.250 virtue, only God can make reparations for that 00:31:57.250 --> 00:32:03.069 and restore. that person's virtue. But I believe 00:32:03.069 --> 00:32:07.309 that's the power of the atonement of Jesus Christ. 00:32:07.990 --> 00:32:13.390 That person's virtue will be restored. Honestly, 00:32:14.230 --> 00:32:18.269 the brethren have said that. That there is nothing 00:32:18.269 --> 00:32:23.769 that cannot be repaired or restored through Jesus 00:32:23.769 --> 00:32:28.299 Christ and his atonement. That's the power. Jesus 00:32:28.299 --> 00:32:32.339 suffered it. Therefore he owns it. Therefore 00:32:32.339 --> 00:32:38.000 he can restore it. And he does. And if one has 00:32:38.000 --> 00:32:40.460 faith in that, they can receive the blessings 00:32:40.460 --> 00:32:44.019 of it. And even if they have no knowledge of 00:32:44.019 --> 00:32:47.019 it. And that's important. Even if they have no 00:32:47.019 --> 00:32:48.880 knowledge of it. That's important. The atonement 00:32:48.880 --> 00:32:51.559 of Jesus Christ, God blesses their lives. Because 00:32:51.559 --> 00:32:53.980 it would be wrong for me to think that if I don't 00:32:53.980 --> 00:32:56.480 apply the atoning blood of Jesus Christ in my 00:32:56.480 --> 00:32:59.299 life, reparation can never be made or compensatory 00:32:59.299 --> 00:33:01.480 blessings can never be had by those that I want. 00:33:01.480 --> 00:33:03.819 Exactly. That's wrong. And even if they don't 00:33:03.819 --> 00:33:05.500 have the gospel in their life. They can still 00:33:05.500 --> 00:33:07.920 receive those blood. They will receive. They 00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:11.259 may not recognize them. They may not fully enjoy 00:33:11.259 --> 00:33:14.779 them if they don't have faith in Jesus Christ. 00:33:15.079 --> 00:33:22.220 but those blessings are there for them. That's 00:33:22.220 --> 00:33:28.460 the power of the atonement of Jesus Christ. Expiation 00:33:28.460 --> 00:33:32.240 is just kind of the Hebrew, expiation, propitiation. 00:33:32.279 --> 00:33:35.900 These are two terms that are used in the Bible, 00:33:36.559 --> 00:33:39.500 and I love them both, and I've studied them both, 00:33:39.720 --> 00:33:43.190 but expiation is kind of for man. That the atonement 00:33:43.190 --> 00:33:45.549 of Jesus Christ cleanses us the cleansing is 00:33:45.549 --> 00:33:48.269 offered that that were washed you knew you before 00:33:48.269 --> 00:33:51.690 you go into the the the ancient Tabernacle you 00:33:51.690 --> 00:33:55.170 would make some expiation by washing yourself 00:33:55.170 --> 00:33:58.890 Before you went into the temple and it's a it's 00:33:58.890 --> 00:34:03.069 a cleansing that is offered to us the propitiation 00:34:03.069 --> 00:34:06.890 is is that the Atonement of Jesus Christ that 00:34:06.890 --> 00:34:10.690 the Savior that he fulfilled the demands of justice 00:34:10.860 --> 00:34:14.559 that the demands of justice, which God being 00:34:14.559 --> 00:34:19.260 a God had to, you know, even he obeys laws and 00:34:19.260 --> 00:34:23.519 the law of justice was fulfilled through the 00:34:23.519 --> 00:34:29.699 propitiation of the God's son. So that covers 00:34:29.699 --> 00:34:33.000 those. Reconciliation. Now let's pause on this 00:34:33.000 --> 00:34:36.380 one for a minute. Reconciliation. That means 00:34:36.380 --> 00:34:40.039 coming to oneself, Scott. Being reconciled this 00:34:40.039 --> 00:34:44.039 about the relationship, you know to have a relationship 00:34:44.039 --> 00:34:49.579 to really Become true with myself to even stand 00:34:49.579 --> 00:34:54.159 myself to end with others my standing with others 00:34:54.159 --> 00:34:58.679 and Reconciliation with God the Godhead the Father 00:34:58.679 --> 00:35:01.639 the Son the Holy Ghost. This is a big one When 00:35:01.639 --> 00:35:03.699 I think of the word reconciliation, this is this 00:35:03.699 --> 00:35:07.050 can also imply now hear me out But this can also 00:35:07.050 --> 00:35:11.300 imply restitution. When I need to reconcile something, 00:35:11.340 --> 00:35:13.820 I need to make wrongs right. I need to balance 00:35:13.820 --> 00:35:15.900 things where things are out of balance. When 00:35:15.900 --> 00:35:18.340 I reconcile a checkbook, we don't do that anymore, 00:35:18.400 --> 00:35:21.239 but when we do those kinds of things, we're putting 00:35:21.239 --> 00:35:24.099 things into balance that are out of balance, 00:35:24.320 --> 00:35:27.059 and that's reconciliation. So reconciliation, 00:35:27.280 --> 00:35:30.780 and you have this divided into three categories. 00:35:31.079 --> 00:35:34.739 You have reconciliation with oneself. And so 00:35:34.739 --> 00:35:37.380 how do I get true with myself? Who is the atonement 00:35:37.380 --> 00:35:40.000 of Jesus Christ? through integrity to my beliefs, 00:35:40.199 --> 00:35:43.179 through integrity to my faith in his name, through 00:35:43.179 --> 00:35:47.539 my integrity to faith in Jesus Christ even, and 00:35:47.539 --> 00:35:49.719 all of those other things. That's reconciliation 00:35:49.719 --> 00:35:52.739 to self. But now my reconciliation to others. 00:35:53.519 --> 00:35:56.920 This is where, and I'm talking about earlier, 00:35:57.320 --> 00:35:59.340 transformation and reparation, this is where 00:35:59.340 --> 00:36:02.420 reconciliation and reparation can really kind 00:36:02.420 --> 00:36:07.730 of join hands, for example. If I'm in order maybe 00:36:07.730 --> 00:36:11.750 to repair a relationship or to make a wrong right, 00:36:11.889 --> 00:36:14.389 which is to infer reparation, to repair something. 00:36:14.889 --> 00:36:17.550 So if I'm going to make this wrong right, then 00:36:17.550 --> 00:36:20.449 that's going to require effort on my part. Effort 00:36:20.449 --> 00:36:23.789 that I may not be able to muster myself, that 00:36:23.789 --> 00:36:27.570 I probably won't. In fact, I'm sure I won't because 00:36:27.570 --> 00:36:31.210 I'm a fallen man and that fallenness... makes 00:36:31.210 --> 00:36:34.389 that almost an impossibility for me. And so in 00:36:34.389 --> 00:36:37.349 order for me to make reconciliation to others, 00:36:37.730 --> 00:36:41.730 I need to have the enabling power of Jesus Christ's 00:36:41.730 --> 00:36:44.289 atonement at work in my life to strengthen me, 00:36:44.510 --> 00:36:46.849 to provide the grace that I need to myself so 00:36:46.849 --> 00:36:49.250 that I'll have the courage to make reparation 00:36:49.250 --> 00:36:56.150 or reconciliation or to make a restitution. in 00:36:56.150 --> 00:36:58.750 a situation where it needs to be. And through 00:36:58.750 --> 00:37:02.510 all that, and again, I'm not earning my good 00:37:02.510 --> 00:37:04.809 standing with God, I'm not earning my way to 00:37:04.809 --> 00:37:07.289 heaven by doing these things, but what I'm doing 00:37:07.289 --> 00:37:11.230 is I'm demonstrating my love for God and the 00:37:11.230 --> 00:37:13.989 gift of his son and the power of his son that's 00:37:13.989 --> 00:37:16.590 made available to me through his atonement by 00:37:16.590 --> 00:37:19.769 aligning myself with his will. Yeah, I love that, 00:37:19.909 --> 00:37:24.349 Scott. Yeah, instead of being bankrupt. Yeah. 00:37:24.909 --> 00:37:30.230 you are becoming an heir with God, you are becoming 00:37:30.230 --> 00:37:35.429 a partner with others, and you are becoming one 00:37:35.429 --> 00:37:41.329 with yourself. Reconciliation, there's a lot 00:37:41.329 --> 00:37:43.530 more needs to be said about that, but as you 00:37:43.530 --> 00:37:48.170 were talking, this seems to be one that is really 00:37:48.170 --> 00:37:52.789 covered in the addiction recovery program, right? 00:37:54.240 --> 00:37:58.199 Maybe all of these are, but that reconciliation, 00:37:58.400 --> 00:38:00.840 we do spend, and reparation, and transformation, 00:38:01.139 --> 00:38:04.500 and compensatory enabling and redemption. We 00:38:04.500 --> 00:38:06.380 spend a lot of time on those, but you're saying 00:38:06.380 --> 00:38:09.159 that on the reconciliation because we really 00:38:09.159 --> 00:38:14.039 cannot be, the expiation in our lives cannot 00:38:14.039 --> 00:38:17.280 be fulfilled if reconciliation in our lives is 00:38:17.280 --> 00:38:21.150 not also. and this is where you make the list 00:38:21.150 --> 00:38:23.670 of all those. All those we have harmed and we 00:38:23.670 --> 00:38:28.369 become willing to make amends. The word willing 00:38:28.369 --> 00:38:30.869 to make amends to them all, except one to do 00:38:30.869 --> 00:38:33.750 so would injure them or others. Reparation takes 00:38:33.750 --> 00:38:38.690 a lot of work, but we can never do it by ourselves. 00:38:38.789 --> 00:38:43.550 And same with reconciliation. Well, that's awesome. 00:38:44.110 --> 00:38:47.650 Now justification, sanctification, and glorification. 00:38:48.900 --> 00:38:54.559 You know, I was in my 40s, I was driving across 00:38:54.559 --> 00:38:58.780 the plains out in the Midwest somewhere, probably 00:38:58.780 --> 00:39:04.320 some cornfield in Illinois or Iowa, and I used 00:39:04.320 --> 00:39:08.019 to love to listen to Christian radio stations 00:39:08.019 --> 00:39:12.539 out there. In fact, there was one place, I think 00:39:12.539 --> 00:39:16.860 this was in Iowa, there was one place I was kind 00:39:16.860 --> 00:39:20.489 of isolated. and I went through the whole radio 00:39:20.489 --> 00:39:23.110 and trying to find something. This is before 00:39:23.110 --> 00:39:26.429 we had all the technology that we have today. 00:39:27.070 --> 00:39:30.030 And I found four, I found 10 radio stations. 00:39:30.570 --> 00:39:33.929 I could only pick up 10 radio stations. And every 00:39:33.929 --> 00:39:37.949 one of them was a small town Christian radio 00:39:37.949 --> 00:39:41.650 station. There were 10 radio stations and every 00:39:41.650 --> 00:39:44.329 one of them were Christian radio stations. And 00:39:44.329 --> 00:39:49.039 I came to love the radio stations, Christian 00:39:49.039 --> 00:39:52.440 radio stations of the Midwest. Why did you love 00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:55.360 them? I just loved them. I just loved to listen 00:39:55.360 --> 00:40:00.199 to people, you know, proclaim Christ and talk 00:40:00.199 --> 00:40:05.099 about Jesus. And I used to just think, wow, you 00:40:05.099 --> 00:40:09.400 know, I'd love to meet this man and share with 00:40:09.400 --> 00:40:12.940 him my thoughts and feelings and thank him, really 00:40:12.940 --> 00:40:17.579 thank him. They were endearing to me. I have 00:40:17.579 --> 00:40:20.960 two that I listen to. One of them, believe it 00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:23.559 or not, is actually headquartered, I think, in 00:40:23.559 --> 00:40:28.099 Payson, Utah. Oh, cool. Yeah, just a little radio 00:40:28.099 --> 00:40:31.059 station. But they syndicate with one out of Chicago 00:40:31.059 --> 00:40:35.000 for a good portion of the day. Moody Baptists. 00:40:35.079 --> 00:40:39.789 Yeah, Moody is great. Christian organization, 00:40:40.050 --> 00:40:43.030 no doubt about it, the Moody Bible. I mean, it 00:40:43.030 --> 00:40:45.190 goes out way, way back. Yeah, but there was a 00:40:45.190 --> 00:40:48.250 reason you started down that. So, anyway, I'm 00:40:48.250 --> 00:40:53.309 going to, and this minister is waxing eloquently 00:40:53.309 --> 00:40:57.590 about how Jesus Christ, for Jesus Christ, we 00:40:57.590 --> 00:41:02.630 can be justified, sanctified, and glorified. 00:41:03.989 --> 00:41:07.670 I just, I'll never forget that. It really resonated 00:41:07.670 --> 00:41:09.630 with me. Now I know the Book of Mormon. I know 00:41:09.630 --> 00:41:12.329 the Doctrine and Covenants talks about justified 00:41:12.329 --> 00:41:15.550 and sanctified in the same verse. And I, that's 00:41:15.550 --> 00:41:18.809 kind of how I saw it, right? Justified is to 00:41:18.809 --> 00:41:21.429 be made right. You know, it's kind of a legal 00:41:21.429 --> 00:41:25.489 term that you're forgiven by the judge. Your 00:41:25.489 --> 00:41:28.769 sins are requited. You know, that you're forgiven. 00:41:28.829 --> 00:41:32.230 That's justified. And to be sanctified means 00:41:32.230 --> 00:41:35.079 that you're made holy. You become you become 00:41:35.079 --> 00:41:40.440 holy you begin to abhor sin That's that's sanctified, 00:41:40.440 --> 00:41:45.019 but I had never I had never finished the trio 00:41:45.019 --> 00:41:51.139 or the triad and put glorified with those first 00:41:51.139 --> 00:41:57.219 two terms You know justified sanctified glorified 00:41:57.219 --> 00:42:01.070 and how they're connected And I'm indebted to 00:42:01.070 --> 00:42:06.769 that minister for giving me the third one of 00:42:06.769 --> 00:42:10.630 that trinity of the effects of the atonement 00:42:10.630 --> 00:42:15.010 of Jesus Christ in my life. I love—we just read, 00:42:15.010 --> 00:42:17.510 right? Come follow me in Doctrine and Covenants, 00:42:17.590 --> 00:42:20.880 Section 20, that we believe. I love how— The 00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:23.039 kind of the Constitution of the Church in Section 00:42:23.039 --> 00:42:26.460 20 says we believe that we are justified, that 00:42:26.460 --> 00:42:30.500 we are sanctified, but one can fall from grace. 00:42:31.460 --> 00:42:35.280 And we believe that we're glorified. All the 00:42:35.280 --> 00:42:40.179 glorification that we will receive in this life 00:42:40.179 --> 00:42:43.719 and the next is through the Atonement of Jesus 00:42:43.719 --> 00:42:48.489 Christ. I love putting those three words together, 00:42:48.690 --> 00:42:52.530 Scott, and thinking of them in those terms. It's 00:42:52.530 --> 00:42:55.190 like one leads to the other. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, 00:42:55.269 --> 00:42:58.170 so, you know, justification, that makes me right. 00:42:59.230 --> 00:43:01.030 Sanctification, because I've been made right, 00:43:01.070 --> 00:43:03.170 now I can be sanctified. Yeah, it makes you holy. 00:43:03.190 --> 00:43:06.130 Now I can be made holy. Yeah. Glorification, 00:43:06.210 --> 00:43:10.230 now I can be made better. Yeah, become an heir 00:43:10.230 --> 00:43:13.960 and become like God. Yeah. Yeah, I just... Love 00:43:13.960 --> 00:43:17.159 thinking about those three terms together. And 00:43:17.159 --> 00:43:21.619 then the next one, the last shun is perfection. 00:43:23.000 --> 00:43:26.760 I love the scripture in Moroni, right? 1032, 00:43:27.579 --> 00:43:31.840 Scott? Oh man, this is not one of our great scriptures. 00:43:32.300 --> 00:43:35.679 And by the way, I use scriptures as my passwords 00:43:35.679 --> 00:43:40.239 on my computer. I use different terms on my... 00:43:40.380 --> 00:43:42.639 passwords and I won't tell you which one's which, 00:43:43.179 --> 00:43:48.019 but I love the Moroni 1032 scripture and I love 00:43:48.019 --> 00:43:51.760 actually Doctrine and Covenants 7669, Scott. 00:43:52.139 --> 00:43:53.960 So let's kind of read those two together. All 00:43:53.960 --> 00:43:58.159 right. I'm going to start with Moroni 1032. Yeah. 00:43:59.300 --> 00:44:02.000 Yeah. Come unto Christ and be perfected in him. 00:44:02.500 --> 00:44:07.269 Perfected in him. and deny yourselves all ungodliness, 00:44:07.550 --> 00:44:10.309 and if you shall deny yourselves of all ungodliness 00:44:10.309 --> 00:44:12.889 and love God with all your heart, mind, and strength, 00:44:12.989 --> 00:44:18.269 then is his grace sufficient for you, that by 00:44:18.269 --> 00:44:23.630 his grace ye may be perfect in Christ, and if 00:44:23.630 --> 00:44:26.949 by the grace of God you're perfect in Christ, 00:44:26.949 --> 00:44:30.550 you can in no wise deny the power of God. Isn't 00:44:30.550 --> 00:44:34.630 that awesome? Perfect in Christ, God. That's 00:44:34.630 --> 00:44:36.889 the perfection we're talking about here, and 00:44:36.889 --> 00:44:39.190 that's only through grace That's only through 00:44:39.190 --> 00:44:42.750 the enabling in power of grace that we can become 00:44:42.750 --> 00:44:47.210 perfect in Christ Perfection one should think 00:44:47.210 --> 00:44:50.610 of perfection is never doing it. Nothing wrong 00:44:50.610 --> 00:44:53.389 Once you think of perfection is I am perfect 00:44:53.389 --> 00:44:58.559 in Christ Christ Atonement covers me and the 00:44:58.559 --> 00:45:03.280 Christ -atonement provides for me, and I am perfect 00:45:03.280 --> 00:45:06.019 in Christ because of my relationship with Him. 00:45:06.760 --> 00:45:11.920 And then this scripture in 76 -69 describes those 00:45:11.920 --> 00:45:15.320 who go to the celestial kingdom. All those who 00:45:15.320 --> 00:45:17.820 go to the celestial kingdom—I just love this 00:45:17.820 --> 00:45:21.000 one -verse description of those in the celestial 00:45:21.000 --> 00:45:26.659 kingdom—76, Doctrine and Covenants, verse 69. 00:45:26.880 --> 00:45:29.579 These are they who are just men made perfect 00:45:29.579 --> 00:45:32.239 through Jesus, the mediator of the new covenant, 00:45:32.420 --> 00:45:35.619 who wrought out this perfect atonement through 00:45:35.619 --> 00:45:39.880 the shedding of his own blood. Perfect atonement. 00:45:40.699 --> 00:45:43.039 And this is the only way I can become perfect. 00:45:43.199 --> 00:45:45.960 Read it again one more time. These are they who 00:45:45.960 --> 00:45:48.760 are just men made perfect through Jesus. Made 00:45:48.760 --> 00:45:52.440 perfect through Jesus. The mediator of the new 00:45:52.440 --> 00:45:56.250 covenant, who wrought out. this perfect atonement 00:45:56.250 --> 00:46:00.690 through the shedding of his own blood. It should 00:46:00.690 --> 00:46:02.750 cause us to think about perfection differently. 00:46:04.269 --> 00:46:06.170 You know, perfection is not through my efforts. 00:46:07.210 --> 00:46:12.730 Perfection is through Jesus. Just men made perfect 00:46:12.730 --> 00:46:17.550 through Jesus. That's who goes to the celestial 00:46:17.550 --> 00:46:21.320 kingdom. And that kind of encapsulates justification, 00:46:21.719 --> 00:46:24.659 sanctification, glorification as well, you know, 00:46:24.719 --> 00:46:27.199 the point ahead of it. Perfection may be swallowed 00:46:27.199 --> 00:46:30.780 up in that. And then I have the term wholeness 00:46:30.780 --> 00:46:34.840 next to perfection. I love the, there's five 00:46:34.840 --> 00:46:39.239 times in the scriptures, five times, which is 00:46:39.239 --> 00:46:42.500 kind of the atonement number to me because of 00:46:42.500 --> 00:46:46.380 the nails. I think of the nails and then I think 00:46:46.380 --> 00:46:51.539 about the events atonement of Christ. And anyway, 00:46:51.760 --> 00:46:54.320 wholeness. There's five times in the scriptures 00:46:54.320 --> 00:46:57.820 where God heals someone and then he says, thou 00:46:57.820 --> 00:47:04.000 art made whole. Thou art made whole. And I've 00:47:04.000 --> 00:47:06.699 often wondered what does that mean to be made 00:47:06.699 --> 00:47:10.719 whole? And I think that that's what perfection 00:47:10.719 --> 00:47:14.039 through Jesus really means. Perfection through 00:47:14.039 --> 00:47:16.579 Jesus means that we have a certain wholeness 00:47:16.579 --> 00:47:21.739 that we've been We've become whole. So, uh, that's 00:47:21.739 --> 00:47:25.320 all the shuns. Let's, uh, then now I, these are, 00:47:25.360 --> 00:47:27.880 these are somewhat, let me, let me connect some 00:47:27.880 --> 00:47:33.019 of these suckering and divine empathy, uh, and, 00:47:33.400 --> 00:47:36.559 and healing physical, spiritual, and emotional. 00:47:37.139 --> 00:47:41.039 Let's maybe talk about those two together. My, 00:47:41.360 --> 00:47:44.099 when I think of this one, I think of Alma chapter 00:47:44.099 --> 00:47:47.480 seven. Sure. And I'm just gonna read it. He said 00:47:47.480 --> 00:47:50.360 this is chapter 7 verses 11 through 13 He shall 00:47:50.360 --> 00:47:53.059 go for suffering pains and afflictions and temptations 00:47:53.059 --> 00:47:55.820 of every kind and this that the word might be 00:47:55.820 --> 00:47:57.860 fulfilled which saith that he will take upon 00:47:57.860 --> 00:48:00.380 him the pain and sickness of his people and he 00:48:00.380 --> 00:48:02.860 will take upon him death that he may lose the 00:48:02.860 --> 00:48:05.579 bands of death which bind his people and he will 00:48:05.579 --> 00:48:09.059 take upon Him their infirmities that his bowels 00:48:09.059 --> 00:48:11.519 may be filled with mercy according to the flesh 00:48:11.519 --> 00:48:13.960 that he may know according to the flesh how to 00:48:13.960 --> 00:48:16.039 succor his people according to their infirmities. 00:48:16.480 --> 00:48:19.019 Now the Spirit knoweth all things. Nevertheless, 00:48:19.239 --> 00:48:21.579 the Son of God suffereth according to the flesh, 00:48:21.780 --> 00:48:25.039 that he might take upon him the sins of his people, 00:48:25.199 --> 00:48:28.519 that he might blot out their transgressions according 00:48:28.519 --> 00:48:31.420 to the power of his deliverance. And now behold, 00:48:31.880 --> 00:48:36.260 this is the testimony which is in me. Divine 00:48:36.260 --> 00:48:41.780 suffering and divine empathy, Scott. Again, this 00:48:41.780 --> 00:48:45.000 is a little bit of a doctrinal refinement. wouldn't 00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:47.199 say it's a change of doctrine, but a doctrinal 00:48:47.199 --> 00:48:51.280 refinement that in the last half of the 20th 00:48:51.280 --> 00:48:55.320 century, the brethren began to quote that verse 00:48:55.320 --> 00:48:59.639 more often and began to teach in greater detail 00:48:59.639 --> 00:49:06.739 the importance of this aspect of Jesus Christ 00:49:06.739 --> 00:49:10.320 and his atonement, as succoring. We may all of 00:49:10.320 --> 00:49:12.880 us remember when Elder Holland You know talked 00:49:12.880 --> 00:49:15.900 about what the word suckering means to run to 00:49:15.900 --> 00:49:22.159 their aid Jesus Christ will run to our aid And 00:49:22.159 --> 00:49:25.380 has the power to do so now because of his atonement 00:49:25.380 --> 00:49:29.579 the divine empathy that elder Maxwell used to 00:49:29.579 --> 00:49:33.079 talk about that use that term divine empathy 00:49:33.079 --> 00:49:39.019 and that Christ fit felt all that we felt he 00:49:39.019 --> 00:49:43.099 suffered all that we suffered in Gethsemane and 00:49:43.099 --> 00:49:48.239 on the cross, and he knows how we feel. I remember 00:49:48.239 --> 00:49:52.219 Elder Holland talking about this aspect of the 00:49:52.219 --> 00:49:54.820 atonement of Christ and saying, well, Christ 00:49:54.820 --> 00:49:59.380 was never divorced, and yet how does he know 00:49:59.380 --> 00:50:04.239 how that feels? And then he said, I don't know 00:50:04.239 --> 00:50:07.599 how that works, but I know that through the atonement 00:50:07.599 --> 00:50:12.150 of Jesus Christ, he felt every emotional mental, 00:50:12.750 --> 00:50:18.010 physical, spiritual pain that man and woman and 00:50:18.010 --> 00:50:22.630 child, anyone on this earth, member of the church, 00:50:22.789 --> 00:50:25.630 not member of the church, all of God's children, 00:50:26.030 --> 00:50:29.110 Christ felt it and he understands it. That's 00:50:29.110 --> 00:50:31.829 one of the most important parts of the scripture 00:50:31.829 --> 00:50:35.050 that I just read in Alma 7 to me. The most important 00:50:35.050 --> 00:50:37.449 part of one of the most important parts of this 00:50:37.449 --> 00:50:40.869 to me is and he shall go for suffering pains 00:50:40.869 --> 00:50:45.869 and afflictions and temptations of every kind 00:50:45.869 --> 00:50:51.409 every kind pains Temptations afflictions of every 00:50:51.409 --> 00:50:55.730 kind every side and for all So he he somehow 00:50:55.730 --> 00:50:57.969 I don't know how that was made possible, but 00:50:57.969 --> 00:51:01.769 he somehow knows what it's like to suffer as 00:51:01.769 --> 00:51:04.349 a drug addict. He knows what it's like to suffer 00:51:04.349 --> 00:51:06.670 as an alcoholic. He knows what it's like to suffer 00:51:06.670 --> 00:51:10.190 the abuses of abuse, child abuse, sexual abuse, 00:51:10.210 --> 00:51:13.630 and all the other abuses. Somehow, through Christ's 00:51:13.630 --> 00:51:15.469 atonement, through the power of the atonement, 00:51:15.670 --> 00:51:17.909 while he was in Gethsemane, while he was hanging 00:51:17.909 --> 00:51:20.550 on the cross, he suffered those things, and he 00:51:20.550 --> 00:51:23.070 experienced those things. I have no doubt about 00:51:23.070 --> 00:51:26.030 that. Yeah, well that's what we believe, and 00:51:26.030 --> 00:51:29.329 that's what the prophets have taught, and how 00:51:29.329 --> 00:51:36.659 indebted we are to for that scripture, which 00:51:36.659 --> 00:51:39.420 he taught in, I think that was the city of Gideon 00:51:39.420 --> 00:51:43.900 in Alma seven. I mean, that is just sublime, 00:51:44.699 --> 00:51:46.820 one of the most sublime teachings of the Book 00:51:46.820 --> 00:51:50.739 of Mormon. You know, let me just kind of say. 00:51:51.019 --> 00:51:53.179 one or two things more on that. You know, I'm 00:51:53.179 --> 00:51:56.360 divorced and I'm a recovering drug addict and 00:51:56.360 --> 00:51:59.000 I'm a recovering alcoholic and I have suffered 00:51:59.000 --> 00:52:03.179 other things and on and on. And Christ's atonement 00:52:03.179 --> 00:52:07.000 has justified those things for me. And the justification 00:52:07.000 --> 00:52:10.139 and the empowering and the glory and the sanctification 00:52:10.139 --> 00:52:13.000 and the glorification, that's a process. It doesn't 00:52:13.000 --> 00:52:15.059 just happen and oh gosh, that was good, I'm glad 00:52:15.059 --> 00:52:19.380 it's done now. It's a continual qualifying for 00:52:19.380 --> 00:52:21.559 on my part as I... in line with him, which is 00:52:21.559 --> 00:52:24.880 a daily thing for me. But I know he knows what 00:52:24.880 --> 00:52:27.800 it's like to suffer what I suffered because it 00:52:27.800 --> 00:52:30.960 was only with him and through him that I found 00:52:30.960 --> 00:52:33.780 relief from that. I know he knows what that is. 00:52:33.780 --> 00:52:37.059 So that's really important, Scott, because it's 00:52:37.059 --> 00:52:39.480 one thing to know that he understands it, that 00:52:39.480 --> 00:52:41.960 he feels it, but so what? How does that help 00:52:41.960 --> 00:52:45.079 me? Yeah, well, I know how it helped me, for 00:52:45.079 --> 00:52:48.860 sure. And here's the other thing, Dave, that 00:52:48.860 --> 00:52:52.760 help. And I know this because for 19 years I 00:52:52.760 --> 00:52:54.619 tried to find it another way that help could 00:52:54.619 --> 00:53:02.840 not come any other way One never wants to go 00:53:02.840 --> 00:53:06.539 through those things one never wants to experience 00:53:06.539 --> 00:53:13.380 those things but to know that Jesus did I Don't 00:53:13.380 --> 00:53:15.800 know it doesn't make your relationship more special 00:53:15.800 --> 00:53:19.000 with Jesus than my relationship, because I haven't 00:53:19.000 --> 00:53:21.360 gone through those things. But it makes it my 00:53:21.360 --> 00:53:26.960 special relationship. Wow. Yeah. Well, that's 00:53:26.960 --> 00:53:29.579 sweet. And to think about the, think about all 00:53:29.579 --> 00:53:33.400 of the sicknesses, Scott. Yeah, yeah. All of 00:53:33.400 --> 00:53:36.460 the emotional, I think the mental, mental and 00:53:36.460 --> 00:53:39.340 emotional, you know, the depression. They're 00:53:39.340 --> 00:53:43.500 so difficult. Are the worst sicknesses. So difficult, 00:53:43.599 --> 00:53:48.440 yeah. Maybe worse than... I can't judge, but 00:53:48.440 --> 00:53:52.059 maybe worse than cancer, maybe worse than physical 00:53:52.059 --> 00:53:56.940 would be the mental illnesses. That's definitely 00:53:56.940 --> 00:53:59.659 been my experience and I've had some of that 00:53:59.659 --> 00:54:02.260 experience personally, but I sponsor guys that 00:54:02.260 --> 00:54:06.820 really, oh, I just have no idea. And it's difficult 00:54:06.820 --> 00:54:11.090 for me because I don't know. the depths to which 00:54:11.090 --> 00:54:13.590 they're going through and the only thing I can 00:54:13.590 --> 00:54:16.630 do is encourage a relationship with someone who 00:54:16.630 --> 00:54:25.510 does. Thank God for the atonement of Jesus Christ 00:54:25.510 --> 00:54:29.949 and the last few here. Merits of righteousness. 00:54:30.710 --> 00:54:34.590 Merits of righteousness. I think of Lehi to Jacob 00:54:34.590 --> 00:54:36.829 here. I think we referenced that scripture again 00:54:36.829 --> 00:54:41.059 last week. But, uh, you know, that I know that 00:54:41.059 --> 00:54:44.260 you are saved through the, uh, through the righteousness 00:54:44.260 --> 00:54:47.920 of your Redeemer. You know, man can merit nothing 00:54:47.920 --> 00:54:52.380 of himself that if we have any merits of righteousness, 00:54:52.420 --> 00:54:55.739 we have any righteousness at all. You know, it's 00:54:55.739 --> 00:54:59.079 not, it's not sanctified or consecrated for our 00:54:59.079 --> 00:55:03.079 gain or to our benefits. God, if it weren't for 00:55:03.079 --> 00:55:06.679 the atonement of Jesus Christ, it's like, um, 00:55:06.800 --> 00:55:10.579 Brother Matthews used to always say, if I could 00:55:10.579 --> 00:55:14.119 keep every commandment, if I could keep every 00:55:14.119 --> 00:55:17.719 commandment without Jesus Christ, I would still 00:55:17.719 --> 00:55:22.239 go to hell. Now think about that for a minute. 00:55:24.019 --> 00:55:28.400 Um, he's the one that makes anything good that 00:55:28.400 --> 00:55:32.980 we do at all to be efficacious, whether we know 00:55:32.980 --> 00:55:36.679 it or not. and turn that into a merit of righteousness. 00:55:37.940 --> 00:55:43.440 Without man can merit nothing. This is scripture, 00:55:44.500 --> 00:55:49.260 Alma 22, and in other places, man can merit nothing 00:55:49.260 --> 00:55:54.440 of himself. Meaning that without Jesus Christ, 00:55:54.860 --> 00:55:57.519 if I could keep every commandment, I would still 00:55:57.519 --> 00:56:00.079 go to hell. And one reason I would is because 00:56:00.079 --> 00:56:02.679 without the resurrection, Without Jesus Christ 00:56:02.679 --> 00:56:06.079 in the atonement and the resurrection, which 00:56:06.079 --> 00:56:08.519 overcame not only physical death, but spiritual 00:56:08.519 --> 00:56:11.780 death, we would all be the sons of perdition. 00:56:11.840 --> 00:56:15.639 We would all be sons and daughters of Satan without 00:56:15.639 --> 00:56:19.619 his redeeming us. Second Nephi chapter nine, 00:56:19.719 --> 00:56:22.059 verses seven through nine. Yeah. Very clear. 00:56:22.500 --> 00:56:26.179 That's right. That we would all become the sons 00:56:26.179 --> 00:56:31.559 and daughters of Satan. So. Merits of righteousness. 00:56:32.699 --> 00:56:37.739 Anything that we do, it would mean nothing if 00:56:37.739 --> 00:56:39.920 it weren't for the atonement of Jesus Christ, 00:56:40.059 --> 00:56:43.159 Scott. And then all the trials and afflictions 00:56:43.159 --> 00:56:46.559 that we suffer in this life are consecrated for 00:56:46.559 --> 00:56:49.179 our gain through the atonement of Jesus Christ. 00:56:49.980 --> 00:56:53.599 I think that's mostly unconditional. I think 00:56:53.599 --> 00:56:58.769 that's for everyone. All the suffering that we 00:56:58.769 --> 00:57:00.989 go through in this world, which we didn't choose. 00:57:01.429 --> 00:57:03.670 Sometimes it's our mistakes. Sometimes it's the 00:57:03.670 --> 00:57:08.070 consequences of, of our own poor choices or foolishness. 00:57:08.550 --> 00:57:11.969 But many of the trials and afflictions we suffer 00:57:11.969 --> 00:57:15.769 in this life are not of our choice. And those 00:57:15.769 --> 00:57:19.090 are unconditionally, all of those are unconditionally 00:57:19.090 --> 00:57:22.090 covered that they will be consecrated for our 00:57:22.090 --> 00:57:25.469 gain that because we tasted the bitter will know 00:57:25.469 --> 00:57:30.130 the sweet. and that through Jesus Christ, even 00:57:30.130 --> 00:57:33.409 the worst things can become joy and experience 00:57:33.409 --> 00:57:37.730 for us. So, again, this is one that is, for me, 00:57:37.750 --> 00:57:41.230 similar to the one that we were talking about 00:57:41.230 --> 00:57:45.730 earlier, I think the transformation. I agree, 00:57:46.010 --> 00:57:49.309 I think this is probably mostly an unconditional. 00:57:49.869 --> 00:57:53.420 However, in order for us to really, reap the 00:57:53.420 --> 00:57:56.219 benefits of Christ's atonement as it applies 00:57:56.219 --> 00:57:58.699 to certain trials and afflictions in our life 00:57:58.699 --> 00:58:01.760 here in this life, it does require some alignment 00:58:01.760 --> 00:58:04.559 on our part so that we can have access. In order 00:58:04.559 --> 00:58:07.559 to feel it. Correct. In order to experience joy 00:58:07.559 --> 00:58:10.780 from it. Yeah. In order to have peace. In order 00:58:10.780 --> 00:58:14.639 to see the compensatory blessings. You've got 00:58:14.639 --> 00:58:18.139 to, you have to exercise faith in Jesus Christ 00:58:18.139 --> 00:58:20.960 and his atonement to experience all those blessings 00:58:20.960 --> 00:58:25.760 here. But all people will be blessed in eternity 00:58:25.760 --> 00:58:29.840 for the trials, afflictions, any suffering that 00:58:29.840 --> 00:58:32.500 they did not choose or bring on themselves. And 00:58:32.500 --> 00:58:35.139 that's only through Christ's atonement. And that's 00:58:35.139 --> 00:58:40.739 only fair and it's only right. There's so many 00:58:40.739 --> 00:58:44.380 people, I pray all the time, Scott, that my children 00:58:44.380 --> 00:58:47.920 may feel, not just believe in the effects of 00:58:47.920 --> 00:58:50.920 the atonement of Jesus Christ, but feel the effects 00:58:50.920 --> 00:58:53.579 of the atonement of Jesus Christ in their life, 00:58:53.820 --> 00:58:57.179 and that they may feel the love of God in all 00:58:57.179 --> 00:59:05.639 of this. That they won't just believe it or say 00:59:05.639 --> 00:59:10.010 it. but that they will feel it. They'll feel 00:59:10.010 --> 00:59:17.289 the love of God. My kids, I'm just gonna be transparent 00:59:17.289 --> 00:59:19.670 and honest here, aren't talking much about God. 00:59:19.989 --> 00:59:21.909 They're not talking much about going to church. 00:59:21.969 --> 00:59:24.070 They're not talking much about the effects of 00:59:24.070 --> 00:59:26.889 the atonement of Jesus Christ. In fact, most 00:59:26.889 --> 00:59:29.670 of them, their efforts are in the other direction 00:59:29.670 --> 00:59:33.849 right now. So I just learned that from you, I'm 00:59:33.849 --> 00:59:36.570 gonna start praying that they will feel the effects 00:59:36.570 --> 00:59:38.809 of the atonement of Jesus Christ in our lives. 00:59:38.889 --> 00:59:41.860 Because it's there for them. Yeah. Oh, yeah, 00:59:41.900 --> 00:59:44.739 absolutely. It is so there for them. And he's 00:59:44.739 --> 00:59:47.519 already suffered it. He's already paid for it. 00:59:47.519 --> 00:59:50.639 He's already made it available to all of God's 00:59:50.639 --> 00:59:55.539 children. But will they receive it? And will 00:59:55.539 --> 00:59:58.739 they feel it and enjoy the blessings of it here 00:59:58.739 --> 01:00:02.219 and now? Right. Even though I know that, you 01:00:02.219 --> 01:00:04.219 know, they're all gonna feel it in the next life. 01:00:04.239 --> 01:00:08.559 Yeah. When every knee bows and every knee confesses. 01:00:08.840 --> 01:00:12.130 Yeah. Anyway, Scott, I... restored, the last 01:00:12.130 --> 01:00:14.429 one restored what was lost and fixed what was 01:00:14.429 --> 01:00:19.789 broken. And I just hear the voice of Elder Neil 01:00:19.789 --> 01:00:23.349 L. Anderson in the prison, speaking to a prisoner 01:00:23.349 --> 01:00:26.309 who asked him, really Elder Anderson? Really? 01:00:27.309 --> 01:00:31.130 What is there for us? Because what does the gospel 01:00:31.130 --> 01:00:34.849 offer us? Because some of us have lost everything. 01:00:36.429 --> 01:00:39.760 And Elder Anderson coming up on his toes. And 01:00:39.760 --> 01:00:42.179 his voice being louder than I think I've ever 01:00:42.179 --> 01:00:46.380 heard it as he exclaimed Because of the atonement 01:00:46.380 --> 01:00:50.920 of Jesus Christ you have lost nothing That cannot 01:00:50.920 --> 01:00:55.460 be restored to you. I I Felt the power of that 01:00:55.460 --> 01:00:58.099 Scott. I know every one of the prisoners and 01:00:58.099 --> 01:01:00.599 the prison that day felt the power of that I 01:01:00.599 --> 01:01:03.800 hope they remember it and will act on it and 01:01:03.800 --> 01:01:07.340 that through their faith in Christ I know I believe 01:01:07.340 --> 01:01:12.050 that All things can be restored and all things 01:01:12.050 --> 01:01:15.150 fixed all things restored that was lost and all 01:01:15.150 --> 01:01:17.909 things fixed that were broken That's that's the 01:01:17.909 --> 01:01:20.730 jesus that I believe in and I believe in the 01:01:20.730 --> 01:01:24.210 jesus of the first watch second watch third watch 01:01:24.210 --> 01:01:27.989 and fourth watch That it's a matter of timing 01:01:27.989 --> 01:01:33.000 is his And timing is his alone it will be restored 01:01:33.000 --> 01:01:37.599 and it will be fixed if they desire it and if 01:01:37.599 --> 01:01:41.099 they call upon it and if they have the faith 01:01:41.099 --> 01:01:46.000 to receive it and We can't stop talking about 01:01:46.000 --> 01:01:49.340 this without talking about again the sacrifice 01:01:49.340 --> 01:01:54.000 of the father in all of this Scott that We'll 01:01:54.000 --> 01:01:59.550 talk about Easter next week, but You know the 01:01:59.550 --> 01:02:02.949 effects of all of this is only possible because 01:02:02.949 --> 01:02:07.110 the father loved all of his children enough to 01:02:07.110 --> 01:02:11.449 Send his son and I think one of my one of my 01:02:11.449 --> 01:02:13.329 favorite all -time scriptures in the standard 01:02:13.329 --> 01:02:18.309 works is John 3 16 and 17 Which says for God 01:02:18.309 --> 01:02:22.769 so loved the world that he gave his only begotten 01:02:22.769 --> 01:02:28.170 son That whosoever believeth in him Should not 01:02:28.170 --> 01:02:33.230 perish but have everlasting life But verse 17 01:02:33.230 --> 01:02:37.190 Scott is not as quoted as often. I love this 01:02:37.190 --> 01:02:41.949 For God gave not his son unto the world to condemn 01:02:41.949 --> 01:02:47.730 the world But that the world through him Jesus 01:02:47.730 --> 01:02:53.849 Christ may be saved He didn't give us the son 01:02:53.849 --> 01:02:57.389 to condemn the world he gave us the son to save 01:02:57.389 --> 01:03:00.969 the world, to restore the world, to heal the 01:03:00.969 --> 01:03:04.710 world, to do all that we've talked about. And 01:03:04.710 --> 01:03:08.510 I'm really thankful for the love of God, his 01:03:08.510 --> 01:03:12.190 condescension to come to the earth and make a 01:03:12.190 --> 01:03:15.570 way possible for the sun to fill all the effects 01:03:15.570 --> 01:03:19.150 of the fall, and yet being a God to be able to 01:03:19.150 --> 01:03:22.489 suffer it, not just for himself, but for you, 01:03:22.590 --> 01:03:26.110 for me, for everyone. who's ever lived on the 01:03:26.110 --> 01:03:29.789 earth or who will ever live on the earth. And 01:03:29.789 --> 01:03:36.409 express my love and praise and glory to God for 01:03:36.409 --> 01:03:42.420 that. Thanks Dave. As we prepare for Easter coming 01:03:42.420 --> 01:03:45.659 up, I hope that our hearts and our minds are 01:03:45.659 --> 01:03:48.420 single to the glory of God, his son, and all 01:03:48.420 --> 01:03:51.500 that that is. I hope that our Easter experience 01:03:51.500 --> 01:03:53.980 will be above any that we've ever had before. 01:03:54.079 --> 01:03:56.239 Thanks for being with us today. We appreciate 01:03:56.239 --> 01:03:57.760 it very much. We look forward to being with you 01:03:57.760 --> 01:03:59.360 again next week, and until then, be well.