1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:20,640 Hey there everybody welcome out to another episode of Redeemed Through His Blood. 2 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:23,600 Scott Durfey here as always joined by Uncle Dave. 3 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:24,600 What's up Dave? 4 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:25,600 I'm good Scott. 5 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:26,600 How are you doing? 6 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:27,600 Good. 7 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:28,600 We're kind of in our flannels. 8 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:30,000 It's a chilly day today. 9 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:31,480 Oh, you got your... 10 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:34,400 Yeah, I got my flannel on. 11 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,240 It's trying to stay warm. 12 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,520 It's stuck here in your basement. 13 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:41,520 Down here. 14 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:42,520 I think there's... 15 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:44,120 I don't see any heating vents in this room. 16 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:45,120 There aren't any. 17 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:47,840 This was supposed to be a cold storage room when it was first built. 18 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:53,240 So I have this little campfire built for Dave in front of him here by way of a oil heater. 19 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:55,800 I hope people appreciate the sacrifice. 20 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:57,800 You poor thing. 21 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,800 We do have a heater here though. 22 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:02,280 Yeah, I'm really sad for you. 23 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:03,960 We've got this nice portable heater. 24 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:04,960 Yeah, we're all good. 25 00:01:04,960 --> 00:01:08,920 Hope everybody's staying warm. 26 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:11,360 Today is a special... 27 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:13,920 Well, kind of a weird special day. 28 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:15,440 Deb sent me this text today. 29 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:18,640 She says, who knew that it was Happy Squirrel Appreciation Day? 30 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,080 There's a day for everything. 31 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:23,080 Happy Squirrel. 32 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:25,480 Well, that's what she said. 33 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:28,000 Who knew that there was a Happy Squirrel Appreciation Day? 34 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:29,600 What about the sad squirrel? 35 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:31,600 They need to change their attitude apparently. 36 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:34,080 They're not going to have a... 37 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:35,480 What about the squirrels that are depressed? 38 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:36,480 They're not... 39 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,000 Well, yeah, I don't want to cash judgment on those poor souls. 40 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:40,000 The mean squirrels. 41 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:41,000 I have some for... 42 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:42,000 Yeah. 43 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,000 I have a friend, you know Richard Hawks. 44 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:45,000 Yeah. 45 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:46,000 Or a man who's got some... 46 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:47,000 Yeah, he's my neighbor kind of here. 47 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:48,000 He's moved though. 48 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,000 You know, he's in Stanford. 49 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:51,000 What? 50 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:54,200 He's the Institute Director at Stanford. 51 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,840 Anyway, yeah, he's got... 52 00:01:57,840 --> 00:01:58,840 Stanford University. 53 00:01:58,840 --> 00:01:59,840 Yeah. 54 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:00,840 University of Stanford. 55 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:02,840 Yeah, they moved to California. 56 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:03,840 When? 57 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,840 This last summer. 58 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:15,280 Anyway, he's always claiming squirrels attacked him on his mission and he's always got stories 59 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:16,280 about that. 60 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,280 I never believed them though. 61 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:19,280 You know. 62 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:24,560 I've never seen a mean squirrel but he claims they exist. 63 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:28,080 Well, we could go down that rabbit hole, I think, as best that we don't. 64 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:29,080 So... 65 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:31,080 Yeah, happy squirrel day. 66 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:32,080 Yeah, yeah. 67 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:33,080 Who knew? 68 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:34,080 Who knew? 69 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:37,960 I remember several months ago you taught us that all fruit loops taste the same. 70 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:38,960 Yeah. 71 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:39,960 You know, every once in a while we get some really important information. 72 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,960 I was thinking about that this morning when I ate my fruit loops. 73 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:43,960 For you? 74 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:44,960 Yeah. 75 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:45,960 We ate your fruit loops. 76 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:46,960 Yeah. 77 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:47,960 Kind of, kind of, it still takes me off. 78 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,560 I'm not sure if breakfast is a champion's. 79 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:52,680 Well, here we are. 80 00:02:52,680 --> 00:03:00,800 Last week we continued and this week we will as well down the vein of why do I decide to 81 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:01,800 stay? 82 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:02,800 I think that's how we... 83 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:03,800 Yeah, why do I believe? 84 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:04,800 Why do I believe? 85 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:05,800 Why do I choose to believe? 86 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:06,800 Why do I choose to believe? 87 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:07,800 Why do I stay? 88 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:08,800 Yeah, exactly. 89 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:10,920 In the restored gospel. 90 00:03:10,920 --> 00:03:15,400 And we have a little outline that David has primarily worked on. 91 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:20,560 We've done some of it together, but David has primarily worked on this little outline. 92 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:21,560 It's been a great outline. 93 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:26,720 I think that we kind of referenced this fact last week and I'll just bring it up again 94 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:34,880 today that there's been a lot of reasons that Dave and myself, maybe all of us sometimes 95 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:38,840 put into consideration the things that we've been talking about here. 96 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:43,840 One of those was that we both know and David in particular because of his leadership positions 97 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:49,720 in the church has been sought out a lot by various people in the church and because of 98 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:55,360 Dave's demeanor and his kindness and all of that. 99 00:03:55,360 --> 00:04:01,120 People feel safe to come to him and feel like that without judgment or ridicule that they 100 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:07,840 can pose some questions that are sometimes hard and that sometimes create questions within 101 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:13,800 us and maybe even a little instability in terms of our commitment to living our country. 102 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:20,600 Covenants or focusing on and honoring our conversion stories, etc. 103 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:24,000 So anyway, we have this little outline that we've been working on. 104 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:29,800 This will be the third of I don't know how many, four, probably at least maybe five episodes 105 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,840 where we dwell on this. 106 00:04:32,840 --> 00:04:35,680 And last week, we kind of wrapped it up. 107 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:40,400 Dave shared a really tender and personal story. 108 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:47,040 And to him for doing that about how he had heard President Kimball in a priesthood session 109 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:48,040 many years ago. 110 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,440 He's sat by himself at the top of the Marriott Center. 111 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,080 He's first he said he was alone and we knew that wasn't true. 112 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,400 There's probably 10,000 maybe more people there. 113 00:04:56,400 --> 00:05:01,840 But you know me and I kind of went up to the rafters. 114 00:05:01,840 --> 00:05:07,160 I was up on the student bench seats while everybody was sitting in the chair seats on 115 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:14,280 the other side and I was I kind of had half of the bleachers to myself over there. 116 00:05:14,280 --> 00:05:17,160 Kind of right up there where my season basketball tickets were. 117 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:18,160 Probably. 118 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:19,160 Yeah. 119 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:23,320 Well anyway, Dave, why don't you just kind of recap that story for us. 120 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:30,200 And that's not the only time Scott that I've had that experience with prophets. 121 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:35,760 You know, there have been others who I have heard bear their witness and their special 122 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:44,720 witness and that I've known by the Holy Ghost that they they not only know he lives. 123 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:46,680 President Packer said this, right? 124 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:52,760 He said I not only know that Jesus lives, but I know Jesus. 125 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:57,400 And it doesn't necessarily mean he saw I am or any of that. 126 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:58,400 I understand that. 127 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:02,560 I don't think you have to see him to be a special witness. 128 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:10,000 However, Joseph F Smith, when talking about what is an apostle, and I'm sorry, I don't 129 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:11,400 have this quote pulled up. 130 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:12,640 It just came into my mind. 131 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:18,560 But Joseph, Joseph, President Joseph F Smith said to be an apostle, you have to be a special 132 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:30,120 witness and I and ear witness, he said, of the literal resurrection of Jesus Christ. 133 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:31,120 Something to that effect. 134 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:37,040 I know he said I and ear witness of the resurrection of Jesus Christ. 135 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:49,280 Well, when I was at the empty sea as a branch president some 30 years ago now, Scott, elder 136 00:06:49,280 --> 00:06:57,640 David B. Hate came to do it emotional and elder Hate had been really sick and I think 137 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:02,760 and had some hard issues or can't remember what his health issues were, but he'd been 138 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:03,760 really sick. 139 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:10,000 And anyway, but he came to the empty sea and he he was getting really old and he really 140 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:16,840 bore a powerful witness of Jesus Christ that I'll never forget and and anyone that was 141 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:20,440 there, I don't think could forget. 142 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:23,880 Anyway, it was something like this. 143 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:31,080 He talked about when he was called to be an apostle that he was in the room in the Salt 144 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:37,200 Lake Temple where the first presidency in the corner 12 have their meetings, you know, 145 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:43,640 where where they were they meet and where they meet in a prayer circle and where they 146 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:44,640 pray. 147 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:50,800 And he said that after the meeting was over, the last thing on the agenda, President Kimball 148 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:57,600 was presiding and the last thing on the agenda was to set apart David B. Hate. 149 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:06,400 And so he said after he was set apart as the newest apostle in the Church of Jesus Christ, 150 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:14,480 Latter-day Saints, they had a closing prayer and President Kimball said to David B. Hate, 151 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:23,640 turn to him and said, now, now David, this room is available for the rest of the day. 152 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:31,760 And I'd like you to just stay here until you receive your special witness. 153 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:37,000 And elder Hates telling the missionaries this at the empty sea. 154 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:40,440 And he said, so they all left me in the room alone. 155 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:45,440 And he said, I didn't know what to do, but I knelt down and said a prayer. 156 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:52,640 And then he said, I stood up and I as I looked around the room, I saw these pictures of the 157 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:53,640 Savior. 158 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:57,560 Then he said, so I started at one picture. 159 00:08:57,560 --> 00:09:04,680 And I stood there and I looked at the picture and thought about my Savior. 160 00:09:04,680 --> 00:09:08,600 And he said, I did that to each one of these pictures that were in the room. 161 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:12,120 And I went all the way around the room. 162 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:17,520 And then, you know, he got kind of slow and quiet. 163 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:25,200 And I'll never forget this moment in my life, when I was feeling the spirit like I was in 164 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,200 that moment. 165 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:36,400 And he said, after a long pause, I can't tell you everything. 166 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:46,800 But when I left that room, I was a special witness. 167 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:55,280 That was so impactful on me as a branch president at the missionary training center. 168 00:09:55,280 --> 00:10:01,760 And you could have hit her to pin drop at that large auditorium. 169 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:06,640 And it was really, really unforgettable. 170 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:11,760 Anyway, I've heard other testimonies like that, Scott. 171 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:18,000 I've been in some pretty personal meetings with some of the brethren, when I was very 172 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:19,760 a director of some of these institutes. 173 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:27,960 There would be 44 directors from all over the world who would meet with a few other administrators 174 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:32,840 and an apostle and hear their witness and their testimony. 175 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:38,560 And one of the most sacred in our family is when we met with Albert Anderson, when after 176 00:10:38,560 --> 00:10:47,120 helping him write, helping him with the book, The Divine Gift of Forgiveness, and he wanted 177 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,360 to have a pizza party with my family. 178 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:55,320 And we get on these after we eat pizza and we go to his office and he shows us around 179 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:57,560 the administration building. 180 00:10:57,560 --> 00:11:04,840 He got in some golf carts and we go in the tunnels and we ended up at the old Tabernacle. 181 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:10,760 And there's a room in the back of the pipes of the old Tabernacle. 182 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:17,360 And he talked about the sacred nature of that room, that that's where he had been called. 183 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:23,360 And that's kind of where the first presence he actually would hang out before the conference 184 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:24,360 center. 185 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:33,160 And there was a bathroom and a little kitchen and all of that in this little small but nice 186 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:35,800 little apartment in the back. 187 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:40,840 It's not really an apartment, but it's got everything that the first presence he would 188 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:41,840 need. 189 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:50,080 And he talked about this where I was called and he began to bear testimony of his special 190 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:58,160 witness to my children and my grandchildren, which I hope that they will never forget. 191 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:05,080 I know it impacted like any testimony, it impacts some or the others. 192 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:12,040 I remember that about a month after that meeting I asked my family and a little family home 193 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:16,920 evening what they remembered about or what they liked the most, I think was my question. 194 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:21,640 What did you like the most about our experience with Elder Anderson? 195 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:23,920 A prophet Syrian revelator. 196 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:29,560 And we kind of went around all the family, even the little children and a lot of them 197 00:12:29,560 --> 00:12:31,760 talked about the golf carts of course. 198 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:38,560 But I remember my granddaughter who was at the time like, this is Sierra who's on a mission 199 00:12:38,560 --> 00:12:40,680 right now. 200 00:12:40,680 --> 00:12:44,920 This was when she was about 15 years old when this happened. 201 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:54,200 And she said when it was her turn, she said, grandpa, you know, I've had some doubts. 202 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:56,760 I've had some doubts about the church. 203 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:04,400 But when Elder Anderson bore his testimony about Jesus Christ, I don't have any more 204 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:05,400 doubts. 205 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:17,160 You know, I didn't necessarily have the same doubts that Sierra might have been having. 206 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:26,240 But I know my testimony was stronger, the prophets, the revelators and the restoration 207 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:30,400 of the gospel because of Elder Anderson's witness. 208 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:39,080 Anyway, I've, I've, I'm old Scott been around and I just, I know that the apostles and the 209 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:43,760 prophets are not perfect and they're not infallible. 210 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:51,680 But I know that they know and I know that they're honest and I know that they know Jesus Christ 211 00:13:51,680 --> 00:13:58,080 and that they have keys that have been given to them by heavenly messengers through the 212 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,920 prophet Joseph Smith and others. 213 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:11,560 And those keys are well and alive on the earth today and very active in helping all of us 214 00:14:11,560 --> 00:14:18,920 to gain a closer relationship with, with Jesus Christ if we will follow their, their, their 215 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,040 teachings and their counsel. 216 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:27,200 That, that experience that you just shared about your family with Elder Anderson and him 217 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:29,600 sharing his witness and all of that. 218 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:36,320 I think, first off, we don't have to have an experience with an apostle in order to have 219 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:37,320 those kinds of. 220 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:38,320 So good. 221 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,320 You know, so that's, that's important. 222 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:44,360 Number one, because Heavenly Father is no respecter of persons. 223 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:48,640 He's going to allow me to have that experience even if I'm not privileged enough to be in 224 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:52,600 a situation that would place me in that situation. 225 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:54,520 So that's, that's the first thing. 226 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:59,960 The second thing is, is that I believe a lot of us have those experiences, maybe not, you 227 00:14:59,960 --> 00:15:02,560 know, hearing others and feeling that. 228 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:08,000 And I know certainly I have, I had a similar experience, you know, with President Kimball 229 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:14,720 when I was on my mission, just, I didn't meet him, but I saw him and the spirit bore witness 230 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:18,880 undeniably to me that was on my mission. 231 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:19,880 Okay. 232 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:20,880 And so that was great. 233 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:26,040 But apparently it wasn't enough, you know, because after my mission, you know, I, I, 234 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:30,280 I chose to go down the wrong road again, even though I had had that experience and looking 235 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:34,320 back and you know, and even as I was going down that wrong road, Dave, I would, I would 236 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:38,000 never and could never deny that I had had that experience. 237 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,120 My, I was, I was making a full decision. 238 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:44,240 This I, I wasn't, I wasn't saying I don't believe it. 239 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:46,080 I wasn't saying I didn't have those experience. 240 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:47,480 I wasn't saying anything. 241 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:52,760 So the question then becomes, the question then becomes, okay, so we have these experiences, 242 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:54,240 but how do we make them matter? 243 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:57,280 Not just in the moment, but for the rest of our lives. 244 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:02,960 And I think that that's again, getting back to maybe one of the many reasons that we have 245 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:06,240 felt like it's important that maybe we share some of this stuff. 246 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:12,480 Well, I know there's a difference between not forgetting an experience and remembering 247 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:14,480 an experience. 248 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:15,480 Right. 249 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:16,480 Yeah. 250 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:17,480 And you don't expound on that. 251 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:24,120 Well, even though you would never forget having that experience, you didn't recall it. 252 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:25,120 I chose not to. 253 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:26,680 You didn't want to remember. 254 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:27,680 There you go. 255 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:29,120 You didn't want to focus on it. 256 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:30,120 That's honest. 257 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:31,760 You didn't want to. 258 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:32,760 That's right. 259 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:34,160 I wanted to deny it actually. 260 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:35,160 Yeah, absolutely. 261 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:36,160 A convenience. 262 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:37,160 Yeah. 263 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:41,320 Because if it's true, then you're, then you're even more guilty. 264 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:47,000 And so it's just better to just push it out of your mind and try to forget it and forgetting 265 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:50,320 it is different than not remembering it. 266 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:57,120 So I, that's why I love in the, uh, right in Helaman, remember, remember, remember, 267 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:02,400 present Kimball saying the most important word in the book of Mormon is remember, you 268 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:08,440 know, remember, remember my sons, you know, Helaman five, 12. 269 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:12,600 And that I think we're members in there like five times that chapter. 270 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:16,320 But I, so, so remembering is really key. 271 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:21,040 Focusing on it is, is really key, you know, but, but Scott, if we, if we stop saying our 272 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:27,480 prayers, if we, if we stop listening to general conference, if we stop reading the scriptures, 273 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:32,520 if we stop our going to church, if we stop, okay, we forget. 274 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:33,520 Okay. 275 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:35,440 And you have just brought it up. 276 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:41,800 So, so what this really boils down then to, to, uh, to for me and for, I think the rest 277 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:45,720 of us too is where's not just our remembering, but where's our focus? 278 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,720 Cause that focus is what brings us to those rememberings, right? 279 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:49,720 Yeah. 280 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:50,720 Yeah. 281 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:56,680 Remembering and focusing are very much synonymous with me as I, as I think about it and think 282 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:57,680 about that. 283 00:17:57,680 --> 00:17:58,680 Yeah. 284 00:17:58,680 --> 00:17:59,680 I think you're right. 285 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:00,680 I love that. 286 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:07,400 So, um, yeah, people, because of their choices, because of their actions, because, because 287 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:10,880 of things that happen to them that aren't necessarily even their own fault too. 288 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:11,880 Yeah. 289 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:18,960 You know, being acted upon the, the reality is we are acted upon by Satan and sinners and 290 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:19,960 others. 291 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:28,440 And, uh, sometimes that can put a real cloud over our remembrance and causes us to forget. 292 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:35,360 So anyway, uh, I know that's true Scott, but, but, uh, we are, we are so blessed to be able 293 00:18:35,360 --> 00:18:42,720 to have witnesses of apostles, prophets, seers and revelators that I didn't bring this up 294 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:47,560 last week, but you know, we've been in so many church history sites where we've stood 295 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:52,800 where the prophet bore witness, where we stood where the prophet saw the father and the son 296 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:58,920 were, uh, and, and in that case, I'm thinking actually the new K Whitney store, the upper 297 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,160 room, the school of the prophets. 298 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:02,160 Yeah. 299 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:03,160 For that. 300 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,000 Anyway, we've, we've been in the Kirtland temple. 301 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:11,520 We've, we've been in some of these really sacred places and we've stood on holy ground 302 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:17,840 at a Monday on and Susquehanna and all of those where I have felt the spirit bear witness 303 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:26,600 to my spirit that this is sacred ground and sacred things happened here and sacred things 304 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:28,680 will happen here. 305 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:35,160 You know, the site of the temple and independence and the new Jerusalem and Jesus Christ coming 306 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:40,920 back where Adam and Eve, uh, blessed, blessed there, gave their last blessings to their family. 307 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:46,640 And anyway, Scott, we've been, you and I have been so blessed. 308 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:53,360 My family's been so blessed that have had so many of these experiences, but I know that 309 00:19:53,360 --> 00:20:00,200 they're real and, um, I don't know why I've, I was telling my heavenly father last night. 310 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:05,400 I don't know why I've been blessed to be able to have the gospel of Jesus Christ in my life 311 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:12,360 when so many don't, but I'm thankful for whatever I did in the premortal existence and whatever 312 00:20:12,360 --> 00:20:19,800 I've done here, which I know is not enough to be able to be blessed by all of these things. 313 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:26,080 Anyway, so that's, uh, we've talked to, uh, maybe we should just outline again. 314 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:32,600 I've divided the reason, I believe in the reason I stay into two or three parts. 315 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:36,080 One is, uh, evidences and witnesses. 316 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:37,880 And we've talked about the Holy Ghost. 317 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:42,280 We've talked about teaching and testimony and experiences of others. 318 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:45,360 And now I want to talk just a little bit about scriptures. 319 00:20:45,360 --> 00:20:53,080 I really think the scriptures, Scott, is, uh, provides us with evidence, not just a witness, 320 00:20:53,080 --> 00:21:00,480 but evidence that the restored gospel of Jesus Christ is real, that it's true, and that the 321 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:09,080 very foundation or keystone, however you want to think of it is the Book of Mormon. 322 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:15,800 You know, the Book of Mormon, to me, every time I feel that maybe paraphrasing President 323 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:22,120 Kimball, whenever the distance between me and God seems to get further and further apart, 324 00:21:22,120 --> 00:21:30,120 I read the Book of Mormon and that gap closes in a hurry as I immerse myself in the word 325 00:21:30,120 --> 00:21:33,280 of the Lord in the Book of Mormon. 326 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:38,320 And, uh, I don't know how many hundreds of times that's happened in my life. 327 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:43,600 And, uh, every time it does, I, I can testify of the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon 328 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:48,920 because of the Holy Ghost, which I feel when, when I read it. 329 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:59,040 So the Book of Mormon is an amazing, I think, evidence and testimony, witness of the restoration. 330 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:06,000 And the origin and the translation of it, you know, the miracle associated with, with 331 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:10,800 Moroni, I believe there was an angel, literally an angel. 332 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:16,280 This wasn't the, in fact, we know we're doing come follow me right now. 333 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:21,480 And, and my wife was reading about Moroni's visit to yesterday. 334 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:31,320 And I said to her, sweetheart, do you aware that Moroni appeared to Joseph Smith 22 times, 335 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:40,840 22 times in his lifetime, Moroni in Joseph Smith's lifetime, Moroni appeared to him. 336 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:41,840 That's, that's amazing. 337 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,240 When you think about it, Scott, and she said, really? 338 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:50,300 And I said, well, five times within 24 hours, you know, the first 24 hours he appeared to 339 00:22:50,300 --> 00:22:55,200 Joseph Smith five times, three at a night, once the next day. 340 00:22:55,200 --> 00:23:03,240 And then when he went to El Camorra, anyway, I know Joseph Smith was friends, his, maybe 341 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:12,960 best friend, his best terrestrial, Celestial, I guess Celestial, since Moroni is trans, 342 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:18,920 resurrected, not translated, his best Celestial friend and angel was, was Moroni who tutored 343 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,160 him and who interviewed him. 344 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:26,320 He said he went back for interviews to the Hill Camorra every time and he was, he was 345 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:30,400 interviewed and he was taught by Moroni. 346 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:38,800 I mean, I, I don't have to be present when that experience happens to, to know and choose 347 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,920 to believe that. 348 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:48,680 And the origin and then the translation of it to have done what he did in some say, 349 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,960 90 working days, less than 90 working days. 350 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:59,120 I think president Nelson, based on his research and historians that he works with, said that 351 00:23:59,120 --> 00:24:02,160 it happened in less than 65 days. 352 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:07,880 If you, if you just go through the journal and I know doubters can say that Joseph Smith's 353 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,680 journals aren't true and that you can't go by that. 354 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,120 I, I get all that. 355 00:24:12,120 --> 00:24:19,400 But, but if you take care of taking a minute as word, which I choose to do, then he translated 356 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:26,520 the book in, in about two months, 60 working days over maybe a long period of time, but 357 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:35,280 to what he actually worked on the book and was translating, wow, to produce 500 pages 358 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:42,640 and all of the literary forms and all of the names and all of the places and to have no 359 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:49,400 contradictions in regards to the storyline and the flow of it through the narrative of 360 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:57,120 the Book of Mormon throughout the entire 500 and something pages and to, to build the discourses 361 00:24:57,120 --> 00:25:04,760 on doctrine that are in the Book of Mormon, the, the stories, the narrative, the context, 362 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:12,040 the, I mean, Scott, really the Jewish writing style with the two as most and others, other 363 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,280 literary styles, word, Prince. 364 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,160 I don't know if you know much about word, Prince. 365 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:26,960 I know that brother Keller, who was a, by the way, a converted pastor of, I think it 366 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:33,360 was Presbyterian, Presbyterian pastor who joined the church, then came to teach religion 367 00:25:33,360 --> 00:25:36,080 at BYU. 368 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,920 He did a computer study on the Book of Mormon. 369 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:46,360 He wanted to help his, all his evangelical friends to have something to go by to maybe 370 00:25:46,360 --> 00:25:49,800 build a basis for believing in the Book of Mormon. 371 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:56,720 And he did, he did a study of word, word prints using computers and identified that based on 372 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,600 how authors use words. 373 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:00,600 Right? 374 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:01,600 Yeah. 375 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:02,600 Yeah. 376 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:09,760 And he showed that you can establish a word print like a finger print, like a fingerprint. 377 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:21,040 And he showed that there are distinctly dozens of authors in the Book of Mormon that it wasn't, 378 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:29,680 wasn't just Joseph Smith writing it, but there's 24 other men who are writing it, who did over 379 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:35,840 a thousand words to do, to get 24 authors. 380 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,240 They had to write it over 1000. 381 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,920 Had to have a thousand words sampling in order to identify it. 382 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:42,920 Exactly. 383 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:43,920 Yeah. 384 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:50,680 So word prints and all of the other things in regards to the Book of Mormon and put all 385 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,840 that aside, put all of that aside. 386 00:26:53,840 --> 00:27:02,240 That's what it Book of Mormon teaches us about the plan of redemption and the special truths 387 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:07,800 that we learn in the Book of Mormon about Jesus Christ and the Atonement of Jesus Christ. 388 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:13,120 For example, we've talked about this before on this podcast, but there's only, well, the 389 00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:18,840 first place where Joseph Smith learned that Jesus bled from every poor. 390 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,280 You don't read that in the Bible. 391 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:27,880 I mean, we take as Latter-day Saints, and even for some who have left the church, they 392 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:37,080 take certain truths to be true and they don't know the source of them. 393 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:44,920 And they under appreciate what we learn, the unique and special doctrines, points of doctrine 394 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:55,040 that we learn in the Book of Mormon, such as he, you know, in Mosiah chapter three, let's 395 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:56,040 just read it. 396 00:27:56,040 --> 00:28:00,920 Scott Mosiah chapter three, verse seven, when he talks about how great the English was of 397 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:06,480 Jesus Christ and the Atonement and an angel was showing this to King Benjamin, and lo, 398 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:11,720 he shall suffer temptations and pain of body, hunger, thirst and fatigue, even more than 399 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,200 man can suffer except it be unto death. 400 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:20,520 For behold, blood cometh from every poor, so great shall be his anguish for the wickedness 401 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,840 and the abominations of his people. 402 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:29,840 I can see Joseph Smith translating that almost gasping. 403 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:34,960 You know, I think there must have been a pause. 404 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:44,720 And nobody else believes that from every poor, I mean, not even everybody believes Jesus 405 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,120 blood and Gethsemane at all. 406 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:55,400 Some do, I know some do, Luke records that his sweat was as it were, like great drops 407 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,560 blotting the ground. 408 00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:58,560 But anyway. 409 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:05,960 Well, and there's other there's other doctrines, you know, and interestingly enough, there's 410 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:10,160 a lot of doctrines in the Book of Mormon that we are, I don't know if it's so prevalent 411 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:16,680 now, but I know when I was on my mission, for example, that there was a wrongful view 412 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:22,120 that we saw works as being the way that we are saved, right? 413 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:28,080 And we know from the Book of Mormon that that's just not the case that we don't believe 414 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:29,080 that we're redeemed. 415 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:36,160 This is in 2 Nephi 2 verse 3, not at the beginning of the verse, but that we're redeemed because 416 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,080 of the righteousness of thy redeemer. 417 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,760 Yeah, we are not in the book. 418 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,080 Yeah, we hide to Jacob. 419 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:44,080 Yeah. 420 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:45,080 I know. 421 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:50,320 And there but there's some verses in there that the anti Mormons quote from me, they 422 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,800 know they pick out to save by grace after all we can do. 423 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:58,480 Yeah, but then they fail to go to Alma 23 where it says that all we could do was to 424 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,920 repent of our sins. 425 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,400 So so I know all the anti. 426 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,680 Well, I don't know if claim to know them all. 427 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,800 I hope I don't know them all. 428 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:16,080 But but all the anti is that picks pick a verse out, you know, here and there. 429 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:25,040 But Scott, anybody who has read the Book of Mormon with a sincere heart with any intent 430 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:32,000 to know if it's true or not, yeah, cannot help but draw closer to Jesus Christ, understand 431 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,520 the plan of redemption. 432 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:40,040 The word plan, by the way, the word plan is not in the Bible. 433 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:44,800 There's no discussion of the plan of redemption or the plan of salvation in the Bible. 434 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:51,680 And the word plan, I think is 34 times something like that 34 times in the in the Book of Mormon 435 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,800 and and 14 times. 436 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:55,800 I know this for sure. 437 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,640 14 times in the Book of Mormon. 438 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:02,040 It talks about the plan of redemption. 439 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:08,120 Plan of happiness, great plan of happiness, plan of mercy, plan of God, plan of salvation. 440 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:15,080 All of it's throughout the Book of Mormon that God has a plan and that Jesus Christ 441 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:22,920 is the Savior and the Redeemer to carry out and fulfill and be the center of that plan. 442 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:33,800 And it is taught so plainly, so powerfully in the Book of Mormon, Scott that I, you know, 443 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:41,440 when it talks about the martyrdom of Joseph Smith and and Hiram Smith, Scott John Taylor, 444 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:47,440 when he wrote that section, I think it's 134, isn't it in the Doctrine and Covenants? 445 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:48,440 Yeah. 446 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:58,640 He says that the Book of Mormon and the Doctrine and Covenants cost the best blood of the 19th 447 00:31:58,640 --> 00:31:59,640 century. 448 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,160 Well, amen to that. 449 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:14,080 But what I love is that if Joseph Smith only wrote second Nephi, if if if second Nephi, 450 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:23,360 chapter two, chapter nine, Alma, chapter five, well, Mosiah, King Benjamin's address, Mosiah, 451 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:30,720 chapter three, four and five, Alma, well, see there are Jacob chapter five. 452 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:35,720 I can't leave out the the allegory of the of the of the olive tree. 453 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,560 That's one of my favorite chapters. 454 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:45,560 There are about a dozen chapters in there that if Joseph Smith only wrote those, it 455 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,320 was worth dying for. 456 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:53,800 Alma 34 for me, rather Alma seven for me. 457 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,560 Seven 32, 34, five six. 458 00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:58,560 Yeah. 459 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:08,200 Scott, I am so grateful for the sacrifice that Joseph Smith and others made to make 460 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:13,960 the Book of Mormon and the Doctrine and Covenants possible for us. 461 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:20,880 So I'm really, I'm really thankful for the for the Book of Mormon and what we learned 462 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:26,160 about the resurrection, the reality and the universal nature of the resurrection. 463 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:32,600 God, nobody else really understands and knows for sure or believes that everyone's going 464 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,520 to be resurrected and return to the presence of God. 465 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:41,200 That is so clear in Alma's teachings in Alma chapter 11. 466 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:42,200 Yep. 467 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:48,600 And it's so clear in the teachings of Jesus Christ in the Book of Mormon. 468 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:52,080 I believe Paul taught it in 1 Corinthians 15, right? 469 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:56,880 I mean, that's how we interpret, but not all churches do. 470 00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:07,560 So it's just so again, points of doctrine that help us to understand our Heavenly Father, 471 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:16,720 his plan, Jesus Christ and his role as our savior, Redeemer and the Holy Ghost who administers 472 00:34:16,720 --> 00:34:23,080 the plan of salvation and grace and mercy in our lives. 473 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:24,880 And so many other things. 474 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:31,920 I mean, the witness of Jesus Christ and his appearance and the 2,500 eyewitnesses that 475 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:38,960 feel the Prince of the nails in his hands and feet and thrust, not just feel, but thrust 476 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:45,960 their hand into his side and the 200 years of peace that follow the almost 200 years, 477 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,080 the peace that follow that Scott. 478 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:52,280 Oh man, the 3rd Nephi 17. 479 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:57,560 My wife said that's her, her favorite when Christ administers to all the children and 480 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:01,200 angels appear and, and they're, they're all healed. 481 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,800 And I know that happened. 482 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,600 I know the events in the Book of Mormon are true. 483 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,280 I know there was a Moroni. 484 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,000 I know there was a Mormon. 485 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,880 I know there was a Nephi and a Lehi. 486 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:18,240 These are not figurative literary figures. 487 00:35:18,240 --> 00:35:25,880 These are real men, real women with real families who have the gospel of Jesus Christ. 488 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:31,640 And even though they lived the law of Moses, they had the gospel of Jesus Christ. 489 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,000 They had priesthood and temples. 490 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:41,440 They had all of these things that, that, and who I don't want to get caught up in the DNA 491 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:48,080 of it or what others have said about the DNA of it or about the whereabouts or the geography. 492 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,600 I don't care about the geography. 493 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,640 None of that stuff really matters to me. 494 00:35:52,640 --> 00:36:00,560 The only thing that matters to me is the doctrine that, that is taught and the examples of those 495 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:09,880 who lived it or the, or is what really matters to me and how I can liken my life to them 496 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:14,560 and liken the doctrine in the Book of Mormon to my life. 497 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,760 So that's, that's how I feel. 498 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:21,680 I know the Book of Mormon was translated by the gift and power of God. 499 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,280 And I know it's, it's the word of God. 500 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,600 And I know there's been lots of changes. 501 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:27,600 Okay. 502 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:33,640 For all the anties, I know there were, were pronouns and commas and changes and mistakes. 503 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,560 I know it wasn't perfect. 504 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:36,960 It's still not perfect. 505 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:40,560 At least that's what I don't believe it's perfect. 506 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:42,680 Joseph Smith never claimed it was perfect. 507 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,360 He said it's the most correct correct, right? 508 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,080 But I know it's not perfect. 509 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:57,760 And, and yet the teachings in it are for me and, and I know the Holy Ghost hundreds of 510 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:06,800 times has borne witness to me of its, of its truthfulness as not only I have studied it 511 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:11,440 personally, but as I have tried to teach it. 512 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:16,600 There's a lot in the Book of Mormon too that teaches us about the, the nature and character 513 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:17,600 of Jesus himself. 514 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:18,600 Yeah, for sure. 515 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,160 That we don't maybe get other places. 516 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:22,400 And I just have one example. 517 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:23,400 I thought of it. 518 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,920 I hadn't planned to bring this up till you mentioned that Chris has been reading in third, 519 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:31,760 or her favorite part, some of her favorite parts is in 3rd and 5th 17. 520 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:36,120 This is where one of those, and I'm just going to take a second and cover that because 521 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:44,080 this is where we really see a glimpse of the character and attributes of the Savior. 522 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:49,040 In chapter 17 of 3rd Nephi, this starts in verse 9, it came to pass that when he had 523 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:54,840 thus spoken all the multitude did with one accord go forth with their sick and they're 524 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:56,040 afflicted in their lame. 525 00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,120 So they're bringing them to Jesus. 526 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:02,120 Jesus is now on the American continent and he's, they're bringing their sick and they're 527 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:08,440 afflicted in their lame and with their blind and with their dumb and with all them that 528 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:12,160 were afflicted in any manner. 529 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:18,520 So Jesus is saying, bring everybody and their afflictions to me. 530 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,520 That's the first thing he did. 531 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:24,000 And so we're seeing the character and attributes of Jesus. 532 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,120 Another testament, another testament of Christ, right? 533 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:28,120 Right. 534 00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:32,440 And they did all, both who had been healed and they who were whole bowed down at his 535 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,200 feet and did worship him. 536 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:39,200 And as many as could come for the multitude did kiss his feet in so much that they did 537 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,120 bathe his feet with their tears. 538 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,600 And it came to pass that he commanded that their little children be brought. 539 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:50,000 And it goes on and talks about his love for the little children and how he saw them one 540 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:51,400 by one. 541 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:52,560 But what did he do? 542 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,920 He healed them and then he ministered to them. 543 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,480 He took care of all of the stuff that stood in their way. 544 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:03,520 There could be a row block to their relationship with him. 545 00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:09,800 I see this as his strikes a tender chord with me because this is Jesus healing the alcoholic. 546 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:11,040 Yeah, really. 547 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:12,440 I know the emotional. 548 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:13,440 Yeah. 549 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:14,440 Not just the physical. 550 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:15,440 Not just the physical. 551 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,440 This is Jesus healing the alcoholic. 552 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,720 And that's the way it'll be in the millennium. 553 00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:20,720 Exactly. 554 00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:22,880 And we learn that in the Book of Mormon. 555 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:23,880 Yeah. 556 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:24,880 Yeah. 557 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:31,760 Well, I know it's powerful and the spirit bears witness that it's true. 558 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,760 I mean, you're you're feeling that right now. 559 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:35,760 I know you are. 560 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:36,760 Yeah. 561 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:46,800 Anyway, Scott, I'm just so thankful for the Book of Mormon and for the miracle, the absolute 562 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:57,200 miracle of its origin, translation and the power of its doctrine and truths. 563 00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:01,640 And I'm grateful for Mormon price. 564 00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:11,440 He paid to a bridge the record and more who protected it for 21 years and and Joseph Smith 565 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:16,440 and and he'll sacrifice. 566 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:23,320 So wow, you know, that's why I choose to believe and that's why I choose to stay. 567 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,920 And the doctrine covenants is similar, Scott. 568 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:31,760 The doctrine covenants with the points of doctrine that are in the revelations of the 569 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,760 doctrine covenants. 570 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:34,760 Amazing. 571 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:35,760 Really. 572 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:36,760 Yeah. 573 00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,120 Things about the premortal existence section 93. 574 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:43,680 I think it's maybe my favorite section of the doctrine covenants about the premortal 575 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:52,880 existence and and man is spirit and the doctrine covenants section 76. 576 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:54,840 I mean, this was a hard reaction. 577 00:40:54,840 --> 00:41:00,120 This was a hard revelation and doctrine for many members of the church. 578 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:05,200 Brigham Young recorded how what a new idea this was for him and that it was not easy 579 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:10,240 for him because he'd always been taught that there was just a habit in the head and a hell 580 00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:15,840 and to think that there was more than just a habit in the hell. 581 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:22,440 Because of the revelation revealing that there's a celestial, there's a terrestrial, there's 582 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:29,120 a telestial and there's outer darkness that there's there's actually four different levels. 583 00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,400 Three of them, which are of glory. 584 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:39,080 Anyway, doctrine comes in section 88 in order to go to the celestial yet to live the celestial 585 00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:44,920 law and terrestrial yet to live a terrestrial law and all of these truths that are in the 586 00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:49,520 revelations of the of the doctrine and covenants are amazing. 587 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:56,520 Scott, in regards to what we believe, our understanding of God, our relationship with 588 00:41:56,520 --> 00:42:01,640 him, our understanding of Jesus Christ, our relationship with him. 589 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:02,640 Yeah. 590 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:07,600 Again, in doctrine, covenants, we learn again in Jesus's own words, by the way, Scott. 591 00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,840 I mean, what's really what I think is really awesome about the doctrine, covenants, you 592 00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,520 can hear actually here. 593 00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:20,520 I mean, in my mind, I can actually hear the voice of the Lord and the voice of the Lord 594 00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:27,440 speaking right in doctrine, covenants section 19, what he says that he bled from every poor 595 00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:32,000 and as he prayed that he would not shrink. 596 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:39,120 You already done in section 19, starting with probably verse like 17 section 19 verse 17. 597 00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:46,760 Scott, verse 17, but if they would not repent, they must suffer even as I, which, which suffering 598 00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:52,360 caused myself even God, the greatest of all to tremble because of pain and bleed at every 599 00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:57,600 poor and to suffer both body and spirit and would that I might not drink the bitter cup 600 00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:58,600 and shrink. 601 00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:03,560 Nevertheless, glory be to the father and I partook and I finished my preparations unto 602 00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,400 the children of men. 603 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:07,800 That's in first person. 604 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,440 Yeah, that's the Lord speaking. 605 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:11,440 Yeah. 606 00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:12,440 I hear that. 607 00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:19,440 I hear his voice and I know it's true and I know he bled from every poor. 608 00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:25,080 Again, I know Joseph Smith first learned that translating the Book of Mormon, but in this 609 00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:31,520 revelation through the Prophet Joseph Smith to Martin Harris, the Lord wanted to repeat 610 00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:39,840 that to help Martin Harris and maybe me and all of us to repent and understand the joy 611 00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:48,760 of repentance that you can either choose to repent or you can suffer not necessarily 612 00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:54,200 in any sort of payment for your sins, but you'll suffer because of your sins. 613 00:43:54,200 --> 00:44:01,160 Well, and then in verse 21 of that same same section, learn of just the sweetness of this. 614 00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:05,120 And I know that there's been song music attached to these words. 615 00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:09,560 And so maybe there's an emotional pull that I feel because of that as well. 616 00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:15,840 But when he says, learn of me, listen to my words and walk in the meekness of my spirit 617 00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,240 and you shall have peace in me. 618 00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:20,240 Or my favorites first 23. 619 00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:22,000 Yeah, I love that. 620 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,960 And there's so many others like that in there. 621 00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:34,680 You know, really, there's just so many precious points of doctrine and verses in there that 622 00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,120 I know Joseph Smith didn't write. 623 00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:41,400 You know, one point William McClellan when they were first presenting the Book of Commandments 624 00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:45,000 back in the 1830s as being a book of Scripture. 625 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,080 William McClellan thought, well, maybe we can polish them up. 626 00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:49,760 Maybe we can make them better. 627 00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,840 Maybe they could be better and and he was challenged. 628 00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,360 Well, you go ahead, right, right revelation. 629 00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,640 And he can do it. 630 00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:05,600 Scott, I, some of these revelations in the doctrine, covenants are, I mean, section 42, 631 00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:15,040 the law of the Lord and in section 46 on the gifts of the spirit and section 50, you know, 632 00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:22,360 on the brighter and brighter until the perfect day, there's just so many sections in the 633 00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:26,560 doctrine and covenants that I've read over and over again that the Holy Ghost has born 634 00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:35,120 witnessed of to my spirit over and over again that have blessed my life in understanding 635 00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:40,320 Heavenly Father and in having a closer relationship with him. 636 00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:48,240 I mean, the revelations that have been can, they're the canonized in section 121, 122, 637 00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:54,640 123, when Joseph Smith was suffering in the Liberty Jail, those sections alone, Scott, 638 00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:58,320 are best are worth the best blood of the 19th century. 639 00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:04,000 I mean, really, you know, when we learn about how the priest, it operates, you know, by 640 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:11,120 long suffering, by persuasion, by gentleness and meekness and love unfaigned, let virtue 641 00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:16,680 garnish thy thoughts unceasingly, then shall I confidence wax strong in the presence of 642 00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:17,680 God. 643 00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:24,680 There's just so many verses like that that help me to draw closer to my Heavenly Father. 644 00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:32,280 There is nothing evil or of, of false doctrine taught in these revelations. 645 00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,400 I again know they're not perfect. 646 00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,400 I know there were lots of changes. 647 00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:37,400 There was editing. 648 00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:43,720 There's not one revelation in there that was given word perfect to Joseph Smith. 649 00:46:43,720 --> 00:46:51,280 They were given to a prophet and they were edited by by a prophet and improved by a prophet. 650 00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,280 And I know that they're true. 651 00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:57,280 I used to love what I'd give patriarchal blessings. 652 00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:05,280 I got to explain to those, those who were recipients of those blessings. 653 00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:11,200 I used to tell them, I said, listen, I've never given a perfect patriarchal blessing, 654 00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:18,120 but by the time you get your blessing, it will be whole complete. 655 00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:25,240 And in that way, it will be perfect because after every patriarchal blessing, Scott, I 656 00:47:25,240 --> 00:47:27,840 would edit it three times. 657 00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:32,600 And in every one of those editing, there would be something that would be changed, whether 658 00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:38,040 it was a punctuation that would might change the meaning a little bit or a word that would 659 00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,440 be changed or whatever. 660 00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,480 And though, and those words were important. 661 00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:47,600 I remember giving a patriarchal blessing once to a mission while he was just getting ready 662 00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:48,600 to go on a mission. 663 00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:53,040 In fact, we had to kind of hurry, I think, and give him his blessing in the middle of 664 00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,600 the week because usually I'd give him on Sundays. 665 00:47:55,600 --> 00:48:00,160 I gave him a blessing and by Sunday, I just couldn't rest. 666 00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:01,160 I couldn't rest. 667 00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:05,720 I kept, I kept working on his blessing and I, I had given him his blessing. 668 00:48:05,720 --> 00:48:09,200 I tried and hurried to give it to him because he was leaving the next week. 669 00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,560 And I'd given him his blessing. 670 00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,440 I'd taken it over to him and I still, the spirit wouldn't let me rest. 671 00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:23,000 And I, I read it again and I saw one word, one word that I knew I had. 672 00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:24,000 I had to change. 673 00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:34,360 I remember changing that and taking that over to his home and saying, Hey, if he, can you 674 00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,520 give me back the other blessing I gave you? 675 00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,920 I have a new one here for you. 676 00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:43,080 And I said, I'm not going to tell you what, why it's different or how it's different, 677 00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:46,040 but this is your blessing. 678 00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:54,840 I gave once a blessing to a 57 year old woman, uh, convert to the church and wanted a blessing. 679 00:48:54,840 --> 00:49:01,160 And I gave her a blessing and I, it was a beautiful blessing, but that night the spirit 680 00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:02,840 would not let me rest. 681 00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:10,120 And I, I woke up in the middle of the night and I knew that there were, there was a sentence 682 00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:13,680 that I had to go add to her blessing. 683 00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:18,720 And I recorded it, wrote it down and then I went to the computer to solve the middle 684 00:49:18,720 --> 00:49:23,840 of the night and I went to the computer and slipped that into her blessing. 685 00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:29,640 She will never know how that sentence was given to me. 686 00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:36,240 And yet I knew it was manifest to me that that sentence would mean so much to her later 687 00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:38,320 in her life. 688 00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:44,840 And that's how, that's how these revelations in the doctrine, covenants and a prophet Joseph 689 00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:46,960 Smith receiving these revelations. 690 00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:47,960 That's how they worked. 691 00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:52,680 And there's, and there's Joseph F Smith's revelation, you know, in redemption of the 692 00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:53,680 dead. 693 00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:54,680 Wow. 694 00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:59,320 What, how amazing is that that we know what Jesus did in the spirit world and, and get 695 00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:04,880 a glimpse of how the spirit world even works and the gospel preaching that takes place 696 00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:09,280 in the spirit world and we have bring him young, bring him young revelation section 697 00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:14,320 136 about getting the folks across the plains and so winter quarters there. 698 00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:18,400 Yeah, there's some great, there's some great doctrine in that revelation. 699 00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:24,080 Anyway, in the, in the revelations that have been added Scott to the doctrine, covenancy 700 00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:31,240 in my lifetime that have been canonized section 137 revelation on the Alvin and the salvation 701 00:50:31,240 --> 00:50:32,240 of children. 702 00:50:32,240 --> 00:50:40,240 And wow, I love section 137 and said section 138 Joseph F Smith's vision of the redemption 703 00:50:40,240 --> 00:50:41,320 of the dead. 704 00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:47,160 Those have been canonized and added in my lifetime back in 1981. 705 00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:55,440 In fact, we had an insert that was printed that I glued into my old triple combination 706 00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,200 doctrine and covenants back in the day. 707 00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:03,160 It was, they were for a little while, they were kind of part of the Pearl of Great Price 708 00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:09,040 and then they decided to add them into the doctrine covenants is section 137 138. 709 00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:20,360 Anyway, we, we are so blessed to have so many evidences and witnesses of the truthfulness 710 00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:26,600 of the restoration of the fullness of the gospel of Jesus Christ. 711 00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:33,480 And I count the scriptures among those, including Book of Mormon, doctrine, covenants and the 712 00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:39,480 Joseph Smith translation, which includes sections in the Pearl of Great Price. 713 00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:43,640 I love the, the truths we learn in the book of Moses. 714 00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:46,640 I love the truths we learn in the book of Abraham. 715 00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:52,960 I love the Joseph Smith Matthews, which is JST of Matthew 24. 716 00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:58,640 I love Joseph Smith history, which, which has been canonized, even though I know there 717 00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,040 were nine different accounts of the first vision. 718 00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,760 This is the official one. 719 00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:08,400 And I like to, I like to study all the nine different accounts of the first vision and 720 00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:13,200 and I know all the criticism and the anti who love to jump all over that and the different, 721 00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:14,560 different accounts. 722 00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:21,400 But you know, Scott, I've had, I've had spiritual experiences in my life and I don't describe 723 00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:27,560 those every time the same when I speak about them or if I speak about them at all, or if 724 00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:34,160 I even write about them and a spiritual experience I had in 1994 and the, and what I wrote in 725 00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:40,120 1994 would not be the same thing that I would write today in 2025. 726 00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:46,120 I mean, I get it, but there's so many things that people want to pick up on and criticize 727 00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:50,520 and, and well, again, it gets back to the focus, right? 728 00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:51,880 That you choose to believe. 729 00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:52,880 Yeah. 730 00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:57,480 But for me, Scott, it all comes down to the scriptures, the holy scriptures and the witness 731 00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:06,280 of the, of the holy ghost bearing witness of the father and the son and the plan of redemption 732 00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,880 and salvation that I believe in. 733 00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:14,760 I mean, my, you take those away and I, I don't have a testimony either. 734 00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:15,760 Right. 735 00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:22,840 I mean, really, they are the cornerstone of my testimony, cornerstone, keystone, all of 736 00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:27,960 that in my testimony of the restoration is, is the holy scriptures. 737 00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:35,120 Now, I mean, the Joseph Smith translation Scott is, if, I think if members really understood 738 00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:41,400 the price that was paid to do the Joseph Smith translation and then what we have now in, 739 00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:47,280 in by way of footnotes and an addendum in the back of our scriptures and the role that 740 00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:53,560 Robert J. Matthew's played to get those into our scriptures and the Joseph Smith going 741 00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:54,560 through the whole Bible. 742 00:53:54,560 --> 00:54:00,640 You know, he worked on that for two and a half years, two years, 1831 to 1833. 743 00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:07,120 And he went through the entire Bible from Genesis all the way through the book of Revelation 744 00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:15,600 and all of those books, I, there's, I think three or four books that no changes were made, 745 00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:22,920 but only three or four and some of the truths that have been restored by way of the Joseph 746 00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:29,440 Smith translation are amazing and a clear evidence and testimony to me that Joseph 747 00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:30,440 Smith was a prophet. 748 00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:36,840 I mean, we learn more about Satan in the Joseph Smith translation than, than we do in the 749 00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:40,120 Holy Bible because of things that have been taken out. 750 00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:44,080 We learn more about covenants and what the, what the new and everlasting covenant is and 751 00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:52,160 the gospel of Jesus Christ in times of antiquity that are not in the Holy Bible as we have 752 00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:57,800 in the King James Version or one of the other four or 500 different translations of the 753 00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:03,880 Bible, but in the Joseph Smith translation, those things have been restored by a prophet 754 00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:08,840 because of his understanding, which he had received by translating the Book of Mormon 755 00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:11,680 and the revelations of the doctrine and covenants. 756 00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:17,280 And by the way, Scott, I, I love the, the effect that the Joseph Smith translation had on 757 00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:19,240 the doctrine and covenants. 758 00:55:19,240 --> 00:55:25,560 There are a number of revelations in the doctrine and covenants that are a direct result of 759 00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:28,720 Joseph Smith working on the Joseph Smith translation. 760 00:55:28,720 --> 00:55:34,160 And the question that arose from it, yeah, exactly, Dr. and covenants 76, the, the three 761 00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:40,800 degrees of glory and outer darkness that that vision, which is really six, six visions in 762 00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:49,840 one doctrine, come to the section 76 is really the result of math of John five, I think 29 763 00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:54,160 that talks about the resurrection of the just and the unjust and Joseph Smith asking the 764 00:55:54,160 --> 00:56:01,160 question, is it really is early, is early to, is there really two places really to in 765 00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:05,920 the scripture that's also, you know, there are many mansions, right? 766 00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:10,760 I, I, we are just so thankful, right? 767 00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:11,760 Right. 768 00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:12,760 So blessed. 769 00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:13,760 So blessed. 770 00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,920 And in addition to that, you know, we have some proclamations, you know, and I know that 771 00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:20,480 they're not canonized scripture per se, but these are these are, and we may move into 772 00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:24,560 this in some of the next episode, but you know, when we talk about words of the prophets, 773 00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:30,320 you know, when, when I read the living Christ, for example, that has been written and signed 774 00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:36,360 by, you know, members of the, uh, and, and the proclamation to the family series and 775 00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:41,360 revelations, just those kinds of things, you know, there's six proclamations throughout 776 00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:42,360 the history of the church. 777 00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:47,560 A few years ago, um, I had the opportunity as part of my Institute assignment to teach 778 00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:53,640 Jesus Christ in the everlasting gospel, and we focused on the document, the living Christ. 779 00:56:53,640 --> 00:57:01,280 And one would be hard pressed to come closer to the savior than even through that. 780 00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:02,280 Right. 781 00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:03,280 Right. 782 00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:08,000 And so anyway, and again, that's our focus, you know, as we kind of wind things down today, 783 00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:12,680 I think that, you know, obviously in our next episode, we'll be continuing down this 784 00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:14,560 vein a lot. 785 00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:20,800 But, but just as a reminder, if we can just focus on the one needful thing, the whole 786 00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:25,800 reason that we have the Book of Mormon, the whole reason that we have the revelations 787 00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:30,280 in the doctrine and covenants, the book of commandments, as it was once known, the whole 788 00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:33,560 reason we have all of this is there's one reason. 789 00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:38,760 And that is to bring us more closely to him that we may be able to take his name more 790 00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:46,400 fully upon us and all that is entailed and involved in that and increase in our faith, 791 00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:53,680 a deepening of our love, a recommitment to our commitment, all of those kinds of things. 792 00:57:53,680 --> 00:58:01,880 But the whole purpose is so that we may more fully direct our focus on Jesus Christ, him 793 00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:07,600 crucified, his blood that has redeemed us from all sin and from all of the effects of 794 00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:09,080 the fall of Adam and Eve. 795 00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:14,800 And how do we come closer to him than through the words that he himself spoke or delivered 796 00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:18,240 to prophets living today or in the past? 797 00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:19,240 Amen. 798 00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:20,840 Thanks so much for being with us. 799 00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:22,080 Don't forget to your morning. 800 00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:29,440 Welcome to send us questions to he redeems us at gmail.com until we are together again. 801 00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:44,600 Thank you very much.