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Hey there everybody, welcome back to another episode of Redeemed Through His Blood, Scott

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and David Durfee here as always. How's it going, Dave?

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Good, Scott. Oh well.

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Yeah, good. Good. We are kind of excited to be back on track here. We've had a couple

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of snags in the last few weeks and we're just glad to kind of maybe be putting some normal

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see back into our schedules here.

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Schools started on the Wasatch Front here in Utah and kids are back in class, but boy

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summer sure went fast for me.

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Yeah, can you believe it? Follow in the air, football.

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Football's starting.

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In the corner. This is such a great time of the year, Scott. Chris and I are recovering

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and trying to get on a mission, so we look forward to hopefully getting papers submitted

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and a call soon. Anyway, such a great time in our lives.

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Well I think maybe a lot of our listeners have noticed that we finished the course in

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season three. We finished the course in anticipation of your leaving on a mission. We haven't started

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back into the course, but we've been talking about really important topics that are really

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kind of part of the course as well, Dave. That's been kind of exciting. So along those

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lines, we'd invite you to just send us some emails if you have questions. Now's a good

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time to ask them if you have topics that potentially you'd like to hear us talk about

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or reference at least. Don't hesitate to send us emails on that. You can send those

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to heredeemsusatgmail.com. Heredeemsusatgmail.com.

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I think that would be awesome if listeners would do that. I think the questions that

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I get the most, Scott, when people learn that I'm a patriarch and a sealer in the temple

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is two things which go along with those two callings. One is how can I improve in my,

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I don't want to say necessarily ability in how can I get more personal revelation? How

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can I qualify for? How can I receive more personal revelation? You know, the question

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usually comes in the form of what do you do to receive revelation in your life in the

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extending patriarchal blessings? And that's been an important topic for me for the last

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13 years that I've been a patriarch, Scott. So I really appreciate that question. I think

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that we should spend some time on that today. We could probably do a whole course on that.

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It would be fun sometime. Maybe after my mission, Scott, we could do a whole course on how to

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receive revelation. But I think the second one is what does it mean to cleave to your

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covenants? Scripture based on doctrine covenants, section 25. How can I better cleave to my

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covenants? What is the power of godliness that is found in the ordinances and covenants

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of the gospel? And I would love to explore that maybe next week or in another podcast

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soon as we kind of wind up this season. So today, let's jump into, let's just jump into

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this, Scott, on the keys of receiving personal revelation. There could be five, there could

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be 15. I've selected 10 of what I see as real keys to receiving personal revelation.

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Hey, before you dive, before we get into, you know, what those keys are, can we talk

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maybe about why would it even be important for us to receive personal revelation? I think

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that that's something that we all know is important and we can take for granted that

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it's important. But maybe we ought to identify areas in our lives where personal revelation

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would be something that Heavenly Father would want us to seek.

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Yeah, no, thank you, Scott. Yeah, I think it's really critical that members understand

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their privilege as members of the Church of Jesus Christ and as individuals who have had

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the gift of the Holy Ghost be stored upon them. The importance of receiving personal

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revelation in their lives, revelation that they're able to receive to be parents, to

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fulfill their obligations in the Church, their callings in the Church. You know, we've been

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so encouraged by President Nelson. It was so interesting that the first talk he gave

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as President of the Church was how to increase revelation in the Church and personally. And

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he kind of broke that down into two parts, right? Church, revelation in the Church and

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personal revelation. And then he gave another talk called Hear Him. And this is one of his

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central themes besides the covenant. So the two things I would like to do a podcast on

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or I think two of his favorite topics is revelation and the covenant path. So the Lord has been

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clear about this, that we should seek the gift of the Holy Ghost that were entitled

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to personal revelation to receive light. I think of Doctrine and Covenants section 50

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that we're encouraged to receive revelation. I think of President Nelson's counsel that

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we should be more intentional about seeking personal revelation in our lives. And personal

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revelation, I'm not talking necessarily major things here, Scott. I'm just talking about

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recognizing, receiving and responding to the gift of the Holy Ghost. And Brigham Young

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stated, we live far beneath our privileges when it comes, I think, to the revelations

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and blessings available to us through the gift of the Holy Ghost and our membership

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in the Church. It's kind of interesting to me over the years, my lifetime, Scott, that

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this is a really sensitive subject that many people in the Church have taken personal revelation

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to either an extreme and have found themselves outside of the Church because they begin to

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receive revelation for other people or inappropriate revelation or whatever. So it is, I appreciate

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your question because I think it's really important that we begin this discussion by

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laying down a few principles when it comes to personal revelation. And one of those would

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be that you cannot demand revelation. You can't manipulate revelation. You can't force

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revelation, that it must come in the Lord's way, in the Lord's timing. And there's too

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many people who try to force it. And if you want to force revelation, I'm telling you,

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the first person that will help you with that will be Satan and his followers. And you'll

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start getting revelation for sure, but it just won't be from the Lord. It's so important

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that we learn that we're only entitled to any revelation when it comes to our personal

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lives, lives of our family that we may have responsibility for or over. And within our

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stewardship of a Church calling and not beyond that, we can't receive revelation for the

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bishop. We can't receive revelation for an elder's court president. We can't receive

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revelation for other people unless we have stewardship and responsibility for those

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people. And I just think that's so important to understand. I have known so many apostates,

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some that have been on death row because of receiving revelation for other people or about

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other people that they had no responsibility over or stewardship for. So I just think it's

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really critical that we understand those basic principles of receiving personal revelation.

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Because as much as we love it in the Church, as much as I love to talk about it, I also

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understand that it's one of the great occupational hazards of being a member of the Church. It

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can be one of those things that is a strength. It can be a terrible weakness if people misuse

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it, if people think that they're a prophet, shire and revelator and can receive revelation

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for the whole Church or for others. So I hope that our listeners will be patient in this

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quest to learn how to receive personal revelation. But I also hope that they'll be confident

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that they are, I don't want to use the word entitled, I hate that word, but that they

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are able that the Lord is willing, more than willing that He wants to reveal His will to

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us, that He wants to reveal His mind to us when it comes to areas of our lives that we

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have personal responsibility over. And so I hope our listeners will, while being cautious

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about revelation, because I know Satan wants to reveal things to us all the time and sometimes

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does. And so maybe just as important as understanding the keys of revelation is understanding how

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to identify the Holy Ghost and personal revelation in our life. And let's make sure we touch

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on that. Yeah, the power and the gift of discernment definitely is going to come into play.

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How to recognize the Holy Ghost. Pretty important. This is kind of timely. You know, I begin

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in the next week or two. Actually, I teach a lesson tonight to the entire Institute in

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the couple of stakes that I teach in. But you know, as we have kids who are coming to school,

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you know, and this is true throughout much of, you know, Western culture at least. And

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I know that we have people that are in other cultures and areas who are listening as well.

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But you know, at least in Western culture, you know, schools are back in session or getting

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back in session. And there's probably been a lot of a lot of father's blessings given.

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You know, I know that that was encouraged in in our family growing up. I know you did

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that. I know that I've done that. I know that it many people in our ward have been talking

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about that. But but you know, when I when I start teaching Institute again this fall

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in the next couple of weeks, these kids are coming from all over the world really to attend

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Brigham Young University. And they're in a pretty impressionable time in their lives.

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And I don't think there's a time in our lives when revelation is not important. But that's

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I think where we really begin at that stage in our life to recognize the power and the

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importance of personal revelations in our lives. And furthermore, and maybe as important

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as the revelation itself is developing the habits around receiving personal revelation

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that that will allow us or align us so that we can receive that personal revelation. What

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a perfect time to do that then, you know, in our younger years. Now, now if we're not

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in our younger years, and I know that many of us are not, that doesn't mean it's too

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late. That just means that we establish habits and begin to do that now if we haven't already.

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And if those habits are in place, this will just help to enhance what's already there.

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Yeah, that's good, Scott. And it's important to understand that there are there's a continuum

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when we use the word revelation, that there is a continuum of revelation. And we're talking

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about visions that vision can be a revelation, all the way down to a still small voice prompting

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of the Holy Ghost. And there are many in between that there would be besides visions, there

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could be where we might see angels or the Lord himself, or our or other visions that

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are available to us such as Lehi's vision, the dream of the tree of life, which Nephi

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prayed that he might have that vision and he did, you know, there's so anyway, that's

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kind of at the high end of receiving personal revelation. And, and you could have dreams,

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you could you could have voices come into your mind. There are there's just many different

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forms of revelation. And, and I'm talking about all of them in describing the keys to

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receiving revelation. But I am also talking about how to live, walk with the Holy Ghost

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in our life, how to receive individual promptings on a daily basis moment by moment. I think

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that's how we need to live our lives. I'm not in when I talk about keys to receiving

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revelation, I'm not talking about grandiose things here. I'm talking about small, simple

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revelations that we receive on a on a daily basis. When somebody is asked, Scott, to give

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a priesthood blessing, that's another form of revelation to use one's priesthood to give

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a blessing to seek the mind and will of the Lord on behalf of someone else. And to be

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able to give that blessing, one should seek personal revelation. I'm giving a couple blessings

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this evening, in which I've been seeking personal revelation for and and one of the points

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that I'm not even going to, it's not even listed in the 10 keys, but one of the really

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important points that you're making in your comments is, I think preparation, that preparation

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precedes revelation. Whether that's daily preparation, reading our scriptures, saying

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our prayers, those small, simple things that that cause great things to come to pass, or

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I'm talking about fasting, or going to the house of the Lord to receive personal revelation,

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those kinds of preparatory acts and events in our lives can can definitely affect our

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ability to receive revelations such as giving blessings to our children or others, giving

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counsel to loved ones, problems and challenges that we deal with where we're seeking specific

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answers. You can't overstate the importance of personal preparation, which my President

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Nelson again touches on in his, I think, classic talk, Hear Him, which was given in April of

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2020, 200th anniversary of the First Vision. So with maybe that as an introduction, Scott,

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let's talk about the 10 keys.

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Anything else?

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When we're talking about personal revelation, it doesn't see, it seems to me, it occurs

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to me because this is something that I kind of try and deal with on a pretty constant

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basis, especially as I'm trying to help others, especially who, you know, may be struggling

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with alcoholism or drug addiction and the various things like that in recovery. You

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know, I'm not, I don't know that there's an entitlement that I get for them to receive

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revelation for them. But I will tell you this, and I don't really need to know the answer

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to that, but I will tell you this, that if I'm living my life right, and if I'm staying

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in constant contact, and we talk about that in AA, in fact, it's one of our steps in step

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11 is to maintain conscious contact with Heavenly Father. And if I'm doing that, it's interesting

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how, for example, I'll be having a conversation with a person that I'm working with in AA,

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and a question will just come to my mind to ask them. And that question will have actually

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turned out to have been, you know, the very thing that we needed to talk about. And I

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have to chalk that up to personal revelation at some level, right?

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Yeah, absolutely, Scott. I mean, we've been asked that we be missionaries, that we share

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the Gospel with others, and you're standing in a grocery line, and you feel impressed

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to turn to the person next to you and ask them an inspired question or whatever. I mean,

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the Lord loves His children, and the Lord through us can help us to know when and who

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and what we should say. And it's all about timing. And it can, you know, sometimes it

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can be, I think, a total stranger that we say something to, that the Lord wants that

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person to hear. So yeah, those events are for real, for sure.

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And then you said something, you said that, you know, what we really are striving to do

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here is learning how to walk and live and be with the Holy Ghost, have the constant companionship

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or be aware of the constant companionship of the Holy Ghost in our lives. And you know,

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we know that from the course that we've been through three times on the podcast here, we

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know that the Holy Ghost is the administrator of the Atonement of Jesus Christ in our lives.

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But in addition to that, the Holy Ghost will also bring all things to our remembrance,

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right, and help us to understand and know things that we wouldn't have known otherwise.

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And I think that that relationship with the Holy Ghost is extremely, well, it's absolutely

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key to what we're talking about.

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Well, again, one of the basic principles, I think of Revelation, Scott, is that we don't

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use Revelation ever, ever, ever, ever to try to manipulate others. We don't use Revelation

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to get what we want. We use Revelation to help others connect with their Heavenly Father

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or to feel the love of God and to help them place them in a position where they can feel

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the Holy Ghost and where they may desire and seek to receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

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Because ultimately it is the gift of the Holy Ghost that administers the Atonement of Jesus

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Christ into the lives of others. And of course, Heavenly Father is going to do everything that

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he can do to help all of his children in and out of the church to receive the gift of the

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Holy Ghost because it is the messenger and the administrator of the Atonement of Jesus

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Christ.

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So that's kind of the essence of why God gives us Revelation. It is not to get our way to

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manipulate people, to impress people, or to make ourselves look good or powerful or anything

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else. I just think that's an important principle that one has to go by is if I feel impressed

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to say something to that individual, and this is one of the keys, this is actually the second

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key of Revelation, is that you have to understand what your motivation is. President Eyring

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years ago said that our motivations is one of the pavilions that hides God from us, you

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know, quoting the Scripture from Liberty Jail, where art thou and where is the pavilion that

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hideeth thy covering, the pavilion that covereth thy hiding place. So I think it's just really

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important Scott, that we always if one's wondering, is this from the Lord or is this from me?

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Revelation has to really search their heart and their motives. In all the Revelation that

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we are able to receive, that we do receive, we have to make sure our motivations are pure

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seek Revelation, if we're not in a position of stewardship, if we're not in a position

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of parenthood or spouse or whatever like that, it's going to be pretty rare that Revelation

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for other people will come to us. It's going to be pretty rare. So I think that our main

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emphasis is going to be on receiving personal revelation. And if we're open to receiving

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that personal revelation, oftentimes so often actually in this podcast, we've talked about

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taking personal inventories. And if we will approach those personal inventories as we

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start to introspectively take a look at ourselves, if we'll approach that with the same the same

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steps, the same approach that we're going to be talking about today to receive revelation.

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If we'll look for personal revelation in our personal inventories, then we will be more

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purely equipped to move forward in helping others when those occasions come that we would

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receive revelation to talk to somebody else about.

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For sure. And repentance will probably play a role in taking an inventory. But it's also

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important, Scott, to point out, the church doesn't have a monopoly on personal revelation.

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The power of the Holy Ghost is very real in the lives of many billions, billions who

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aren't in the church. The Lord loves all of His children. The light of Christ is in every

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man and that through the light of Christ, that can that can even be a form of revelation

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where they they know right from wrong. And if they will choose right, they'll receive

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more light, knowledge, understanding, wisdom. We do not have a monopoly or a corner on the

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market when it comes to revelation, Scott.

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And as individuals use it for the right purposes, again, the right motives, the right in true,

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true righteous intent, there anyone anyone can be a better parent, mom, dad, brother,

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sister, neighbor, friend, whatever, by seeking the light of Christ in their life and by seeking

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to follow, to know and follow the will of God.

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So with with that, and by the way, these 10 keys of personal revelation, anyone can benefit

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from these member or nonmember as well. I think the first one, Scott, is and we've talked

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a lot about this over different seasons of podcasts is the greatest lesson I ever learned

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early on being a patriarch is that one must learn to control their personal emotions in

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order to receive personal revelations. Fear is one of the greatest negative emotions that

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keeps us from understanding, knowing, following the will of God and really from feeling his

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love. And what I what I've learned, Scott, is that you can't stop as a natural man, human,

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t-lessual being in a T in a, I guess we're not really t-lessual beings, but we have t-lessual

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bodies and t-lessual world, the influence of the world and all that acts upon us and

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all of the imbalances of hormones and chemicals that make us up as a as an individual. Scott,

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you can't stop inappropriate emotions from coming into our hearts and minds, but I have

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learned that we are agents and we can act and not be acted upon. And I've learned that

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one cannot stop negative emotions, but all people have some control over their emotions,

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Scott. Now, I'm not I, I some will maybe have more control over their emotions than others,

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depending upon their chemical, mental makeup. I know that I get that. But generally speaking,

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just in the majority, most of us have more control over our emotions than we think we

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Well, and most of us have the ability to develop more control over emotion. Now, not everybody

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does. You mentioned that, but we need to know, you know, if we're struggling with an emotion

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and we all will from time to time, if we can't just say, I'm just going to be stuck with

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this emotion. If we are striving to draw closer to him, and then we can expect that those

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emotions can be, you know, refined.

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My experience talking with hundreds of people about this over the last 13 years since I

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learned the lesson, Scott, is that people aren't even aware of their emotions. They don't really,

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they're not even that self aware of negative, inappropriate emotions to do anything about

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it. And so they just go with the flow. And they drift down a river of negativity that

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leads them to all kinds of inappropriate emotions. And some of those, I think the most prevalent

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inappropriate emotions, Scott, that we feel as natural man, human, we all feel them. The

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prophets feel them. I know Jesus felt them, but he didn't let them stay. But those inappropriate

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emotions would be fear, which I think is huge. And I still feel it every day. I think everybody

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feels that every day in one form or another, for different lengths of time or another. Pride

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or ego, inappropriate emotion. I know I'm talking about the negative pride here, not

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some people have righteous pride. That's fine. I don't want to get caught up into that. And

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then lust, lust and greed and jealousy and envy and comparing ourselves to others can

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cause all kinds of negative emotions. So, so the first thing one must do is one must identify

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their negative emotions, which they will have every day. It's being human. But then they

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must act and not continue to be acted upon by praying with all energy of heart, Maronite

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48 to be filled with the love of Christ, because perfect love casteth out all fear. So you

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can't stop negative emotions from coming into your heart and mind, but you can learn exercise,

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experiment and learn how to replace them, how to not let them stay once you are aware

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of them. But honestly, Scott, I think people have become, it's become so habitual with

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some people that number one, they're not aware, but number two, even if they were, it's such

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a habit with them and they think, well, that's just who I am or that's the way my dad was

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or that's the way my mom was or that's just the way I'm wired or whatever.

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Well, dangerously, that can actually become a badge of honor for some.

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Yeah, you know, right. Just because like what you said, that's who we are. That's what we

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do. Yeah, I'm just, I just got to be honest. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Man, that drives me crazy.

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I just got to be honest with my emotions. Yeah. Yeah. Even those, even those, those emotions

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are hellish, celestial negative and damaging to others potentially. Yeah. Besides the person

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feeling them and to just accept that and to go with the flow and to drift is just wrong.

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Anyway, I know I understand all those who are thinking I don't get it. I get it. I lived that

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way for 57 years and I'm really, I was really sad once I learned this lesson to think how much of

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my life was controlled by fear, pride, and all the other negative emotions that one can feel

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as a human. But I know that again, perfect love can cast without all fear, perfect love cast

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without all pride, perfect love cast without all lust, lust and lust and love are not even close

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to being the same thing. In fact, it's interesting the connection between all these negative emotions.

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I think, I think fear is the result of pride. I think our insecurities lead to pride and our

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fear about all of that. That's all connected. I even know in fact, the scriptures, the Lord makes

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this connection that lust is connected to fear. It says that if you lust in your heart, this is

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DNC 63, if you lust in your heart, you will be you will lose the spirit and be filled with fear.

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So all of these negative emotions are interlocked. I don't think you just feel one. I think you

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they're they're just all manifestations of the same major negative emotions that exist

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and being mortal. They're they're they're all connected. And if perfect love cast without all

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fear, perfect love cast without all pride, perfect love cast without all lust, jealousy and be greed,

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all the rest. And it's important to understand that perfect love is the love of Christ.

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It's charity that Moroni describes in Moroni seven. It's it fails not it fears not it doesn't envy.

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It is the perfect love of Christ. God is pure. It's powerful. It's humbling. And it's and it's

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and it's always placed towards an object. It's I know I'm it's I'm probably sounding kind of abstract.

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But I this love that I pray for with all energy of heart when I'm filled with fear,

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it's always towards either a person and Jesus Christ is always part of that,

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that I feel the love of Christ for that person. I know Jesus died for that person because Jesus

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Christ loved him perfectly. So Christ is always a part. My perfect love has an object and Christ

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is always a part of that. It just occurred to me that you know if we if we want to replace

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all of these negative emotions and feelings, etc. with faith and love, then you know where

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from whence does that faith and love come? We need to be there. You know, we need to do that. And

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and it will again getting back to the Christ and loving Christ exactly and getting back to the

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course. We have spent you know, weeks talking about exactly how to achieve that. So sometimes,

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you know, if we look at personal revelation and we were to go through these steps,

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if we didn't understand and have a relationship with Jesus Christ through his Atonement and

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Heavenly Father through Christ Atonement and the Holy Ghost because of Christ Atonement,

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then none of this stuff would even be really possible. I mean, we could go through an intellectual

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and and try and have some discipline and self mastery, you know, and and all of that around

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this. But unless we have that relationship established because of what took place through

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Christ Atonement, then none of this is really even possible in its fullness.

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Yeah, no, you're right. Yeah. And number step number two is that relationship, right? You know,

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is is a so number one is identifying and I can't I cannot overstate how important it is to identify

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your negative emotions. But so many people aren't even aware of them. Honestly, I I'm sure I'm

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not even always aware of them. I mean, I I've become super sensitized by fear.

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And when I when I feel fear, Scott, I'm I pray with perfect love. And it doesn't matter where I'm

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at. You know, I'm driving down the freeway or wherever I am. I pray I pray with all energy of

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heart for perfect love. And it's a miracle. That's the only way I can describe it. Is that my heart

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is flipped. The heart the center of my emotions. My heart is flipped from fear to love. And wherever

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there's love, there can be no fear. Now, I'm not talking about I'm not talking about I'm talking

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about irrational fear. There there are natural good fears, by the way, there are and those are

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given to us out of love to protect us. Joseph Smith talked about the the fear of death, which was

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a gift from God. Not talking about that. I'm not talking about the the fear of a child running out

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in the middle of the street. I'm not talking about that. That that is a preservation of life.

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That's a different fear. I'm talking about the, you know, all of the inappropriate fear that

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we've what do they think of me? Yeah, what if they don't like me? What? Yeah, yeah, you know,

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anyway, big book about call autonomous page 80, excuse me, 68. We trust infinite God rather than

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our finite selves. We are in the world to play the role he assigns just to the extent that we do.

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We think he would have us and humbly rely on him. Does he enable us to match calamity with serenity?

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That's important, right? Well, we so we trust God. We trust his infinite wisdom. And as we do,

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and to the degree we do, I would submit, are we able to match calamities? And we all have

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calamities in our lives with serenity. Then it goes down a couple of verses or a couple of paragraphs.

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All men of faith have courage. Okay, so it's talking about faith and fear now. All men of faith

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have courage. They trust their God. We never apologize for God. Instead, we let him demonstrate

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through us what he can do. We ask him to remove our fear and direct our attention to what he

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would have us be. And at once we commence to outgrow fear. Yeah, no, I love that. And someone,

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someone has said that that courage is not the absence of fear. You know, having having courage

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is acting in the face of fear. And in the scriptures are even more, more profound and complete than

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that. And that through perfect love, right, we can overcome fear. Yeah, and I would say

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that courage is facing fear with the confidence of a loving God. Yeah. Awesome. I mean, I'm sure

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there's atheists who have great courage in the face of fear, right? But it's not as it's not as

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complete. But even those atheists, if the even those atheists, if they're able to do that, there's

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a power that's coming out of them or from somewhere else is greater than them that they're able to

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identify with. And so, you know, if you're not, if you're an atheist, you're not going to call

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that God. But if you're not an atheist, you might. Well, back back to our back to our premise here,

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Scott, that that we were we can receive personal revelation. And that if we do not learn this

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lesson, that negative inappropriate emotions keep us from feeling the Holy Ghost, we will really

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limit our ability to receive personal revelation. And I think everybody knows one of my favorite

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quotes of all time is Elder Richard G. Scott, who said that trying to fill the spirit of the Lord

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when you are filled with negative inappropriate emotions, such as fear, pride, lust, and he

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may he gives us a long list. Trying to fill the spirit of the Lord when you're filled with

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negative inappropriate emotions is like trying to savor the favor, the flavor of a sweet grape

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while you are chewing on a jalapeno pepper.

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That's the truth. I know that I have experienced that. And I just really hope our listeners

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take this as a course and work on it, work on it, experiment with it, become number one first,

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foremost, aware of your negative emotions, and then don't accept them. Don't say that's who I am.

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That's not who you are. That is not appropriate to just accept those. You're more than that. You are,

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your spirit has greater power to act upon those things than you think your spirit does.

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And if one will pray with all energy of heart, you'll experience a miracle if you

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pray for that perfect love of Christ. And with that perfect love of Christ,

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there will be no fear, lust, pride. That doesn't mean you won't fill them an hour from now.

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You fill them tomorrow and the next day. But make this become a standard in your life. Make it

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become a regular practice in your life.

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It looks like we've got the second key. Know God, learn of Christ, develop faith in their

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character and attributes, and strengthen your covenant relationship with them through temple

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worship, ordinances, and the gift of the Holy Ghost. And then I love this part that you wrote, Dave,

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make the who the source of your power and always the answer to your questions and the solutions to

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your problems. We really, Scott, so this, I don't know how I didn't know quite how to say this

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better, but so many times we pray for answers to questions, solutions to problems, right?

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And what we should be praying for is to know the will of God concerning those questions and those

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problems. So many times we just pray, bless me, bless me, bless me, bless me. And we're not really

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even seeking personal revelation when we pray like that. We're not. We're just asking Him to fix it.

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What we should be praying for, our focus should be that I know He can help me solve it, that through

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Him, through His help, that He expects me to be an agent, that He expects me to learn from this,

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and that with revelation, personal revelation, I can't, I mean, Jesus Christ is always the answer.

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He's the answer to every question. He's the answer to every problem. But so many times we just pray

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for problem to go away, problem to be fixed, problem to be healed. Instead of asking what

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lessons do I need to learn from this? What can I do to help this situation or to improve this

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situation? Or, you know, really, Scott, we don't, so many times when we pray, we just want it fixed.

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We're not even seeking personal revelation, really. And I just think we need to, that the who

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is the answer to all of our questions and solution to all of our problems. And to know His will is

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what I really meant by that. And to, in this number two, it's kind of the process described by

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Elder Nilly Maxwell of going from admiration to adoration to emulation. And to ask, what would

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thou have me do? What can I, what would Jesus do if He were here? It's kind of that process,

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Scott, of going from just admiring them to really adoring them and then seeking to become like them.

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his Son, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost, it really opens the conduit to them, which is where

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all revelation comes from.

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I love that you talk about that our prayers should really be to seek their God's will for us, right?

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we have to have that relationship. That has to be really a habit in our lives to have the habit

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of relationship with deity in our lives. And I love that. And I love how you just talked about, too,

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how we should be seeking. That should really be our prayer is what's your will for us. And I alluded

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to this a minute ago. I'm going to read it. This is step 11 from, again, the 12 steps of Alcoholics

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Anonymous. So this is the 11th step. So in order for the 11th step to be in play here, obviously,

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we've gone through 10 previous steps. And those 10 previous steps have helped us to identify the very

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things that we identify in this podcast. Number one is our dependence on Jesus Christ. Number two

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is develop that relationship with Jesus Christ. Once that relationship with Jesus Christ is

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established, and we've begun to clean house and we've started to make amends and, you know, and

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take care of the wrongs in our lives. And we seek to maintain and establish or to establish and then

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maintain that relationship. Here's step 11. We sought through prayer and meditation to improve

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our conscious contact with God as we understood him, praying only for a knowledge of his will for

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us and the power to carry that out.

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Wow, I love that. His will for us and the power to carry that out. That's an awesome prayer.

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Not only to know his will, but ask for his help and power to carry out his will. That's kind of

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that's kind of the essence of step number two. But to really know his will, Scott, it's so helpful

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to understand him and to know him.

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Yeah, I think that you put that pretty softly. It's so helpful to know him. It's absolutely

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critical. We can't know his will if we don't know him, right?

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Yeah, I, it's just really important for us to know that God loves us. He wants the best for us,

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that he's our father, that we have a father-child relationship. It's, I, that's just really critical

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that we, that we know that he is a man, that we know that he has, that he has emotions.

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And he feels, he always feels love for us. He always wants the best for us. All that he does

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is because he loves the world. I mean, it's just so many great scriptures. We could do a whole

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other course probably on, on knowing God. But it's just really critical that in all, in our daily

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life that we, we seek to try to know him better, that we have a personal relationship with him and

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that I'm praying even if I'm not, even if I don't need anything or I don't have a problem,

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which isn't, you know, that's never true or that I don't have a question, which is never true. But,

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but even, even when I'm not asking for those kinds of things, I need to just at least express my love

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and try to fill his love. So I, and you know, another thing, Scott, that I've noticed in

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getting a closer relationship with God in, in how we pray, since I think that you've made this

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point so many times, if you want to know him, you got to spend time with him, right? Like you've

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brought up with your relationship with others who you love, you want to know him, you got to spend

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time with him, spend time with him. I think one of those is in prayer, to make time to pray. And

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that when we pray, I've caught myself, Scott, many times just thinking, I thank thee for my blessings,

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right? Now that's a great prayer. Nothing wrong with that prayer. But it's a little different

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when I say, Heavenly Father, I'm thankful for thee. I'm thankful to thee for these blessings.

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Instead of just being thankful for blessings, we should be thankful to God. That strengthens my

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relationship with my Heavenly Father when I'm not just going through a list of blessings, right?

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But when I'm acknowledging him as the source of all those blessings, when I say, I'm thankful to thee

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for my family, honestly, it does something to my thoughts and my heart than to just say,

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I'm thankful for my family. Because I'm talking to him and I'm thankful to him. I'm more thankful to

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him than anything else. And I just think sometimes we neglect that. It's easy to bypass that and

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just go through our list of blessings. But if we don't acknowledge him as the source of those

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blessings, our relationship with him may not necessarily be strengthened. So I just watch,

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watch how you pray, you know, be careful, be careful how you pray. And language, language of

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prayer is important. And I think it's such a blessing when one can pray out loud. We've been

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encouraged to pray out loud. I think Elder Holland encouraged us to do that recently, not long ago.

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Sometimes it's not appropriate to pray out loud. I understand that. It's so interesting that Joseph

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Smith said that it wasn't until he prayed vocally. I'm sure he had offered many prayers, but he said

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this was the first time that he had tried to pray vocally about his problem and his question when he

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received the first vision. Prayer is an important key to the second key of a personal revelation.

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How can we come to know the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost and gain a closer relationship with

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them? It sounds to me and I think that we'll probably need to continue this conversation

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next week on the rest of the keys. David was probably just kind of push pause on that one.

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But it seems to me, though, that when we're talking about receiving personal revelation,

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first of all, revelation, first of all, we need to understand the importance and how each of us

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needed and how we can be benefited. And those around us could be benefited by receiving that or

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by being able to receive this personal revelation. But then when we start to align and learn how

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this doesn't look like is something that we prepare for tomorrow. So I'm going to

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receive personal revelation tomorrow. I need to do these things today. This is a way of life.

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This is how we live our lives. This isn't just an exercise to achieve something. This is something

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that if we put our lives on this path, then personal revelation will become part of our lives

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as well. Peace itself can be a revelation. I mean, joy can be a revelation. These are fruits of the

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Spirit. You know, these are fruits that are given to us through the Holy Ghost. And to live in a

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state of peace when hell is all around us, to live, to have joy in even times of sorrow,

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that can be a revelation. Those are revelations, Scott.

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And I think if we position them that way and allow ourselves to begin to see them that way,

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the grace of our Heavenly Father's love will come at us more fully when we just see,

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these revelations have been here for me and I've been receiving some of these revelations all along.

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He must really love me.

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Yeah. And to be more aware.

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Yeah.

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To be more aware of those.

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Right.

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And the source and the who.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Of all of those is, I think, really important in our relationship with him.

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Well, let's continue this conversation next week. This is super important and I don't want to rush

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through. We're right up against time to end, but we probably ought to come up with some sort of

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preparatory invitation, Dave.

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Well, experiment. Just please, everyone, experiment with identifying your negative

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emotions and not accepting them, not just living with them, but to begin to, with God's help,

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pray with all energy of heart for God's help to be filled with his love.

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And believe me, those negative emotions will be flipped or or melt away as you pray with all

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energy of heart for his love, the love of Christ, charity.

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So experiment with that. Just, you won't be perfect at it.

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It's a process. It takes practice, a lot of practice. It will take days, weeks, months, years

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to become really efficient at it. But I think it's a really important part of mortality

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is to learn what it means not to be acted upon, but to, for sure, we're acted upon,

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but to know that we have power to not just react, but to overcome those negative emotions through

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the Atonement of Jesus Christ and through the gift of the Holy Ghost and the power of prayer.

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So experiment with that. Try to improve your prayers when you pray.

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Pray, seek to really come to know God and learn of Christ. Learn of me, he said.

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Walk in the meekness of my spirit. Come unto me, all ye that labor and are heavy laden,

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and I will give you rest. Learn of me. Take, you know, I mean, he invites us to do that over and

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over again. Scott threw out the, throughout the scriptures. And as we do that, come to know his

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character, attributes and perfections, our faith is increased and personal revelation will also

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increase and look unto me in every thought. I mean, we talk about that in almost every

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and every podcast and just extremely important. Here's a scripture I kind of want to end on.

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This is in Dr. In Covenants 121 45. If we're really looking for how we can add this gift of

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personal revelation or qualify ourselves to receive this personal revelation, this is a good

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place to start. This is actually step four, Scott. Okay, so we're going to skip a little bit ahead

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here, but we'll come back to this step for increased personal purity and virtue. All right,

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so be anticipating that for our next discussion. Here it is 121 45. Let thy bowels also be full

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of charity towards all men and to the household of faith and let virtue garnish thy thoughts

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unceasingly. Then shall thy confidence wax strong in the presence of God and the doctrine of the

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priesthood shall distill upon thy soul as it does from heaven. I testify that if we engage in that

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practice and that attempt in that effort to draw closer to him and to have our bowels full of

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mercy towards all men, the God's spirit will be with us in our lives and that personal revelation

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will abound. I pray that God will give us the eyes to see it in each of our lives.

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Thanks for being with us. We look forward to being with you again next week and until then,

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be well.

