1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:20,960 Hey there everybody welcome back to another episode of Redeemed Through His Blood. 2 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:22,760 David and Scott Durfey here. 3 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:23,760 How are you Dave? 4 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:24,760 Good, Scott. 5 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:25,760 Good. 6 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:26,760 Great. 7 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:27,760 Good to be with you. 8 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:28,760 Great time of the year. 9 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:38,760 It's hot, hot, hot, but so great to be outside and I enjoy the summers and the heat. 10 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:40,600 Yeah, I do too. 11 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:42,120 I love this time of year. 12 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:48,200 I love every one of the seasons, but summer just seems to go a lot faster than the others 13 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:49,200 for me. 14 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:50,200 I don't know why, but. 15 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:51,760 Well, there's more to do. 16 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:52,760 Yeah. 17 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:57,320 I love this time of the year as well, Scott. 18 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:00,600 And I love the seasons of our life. 19 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:07,160 You know, I'm learning, Scott, that getting ready to go on a mission takes a lot of work. 20 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:14,400 I really have a newfound love and respect for missionary couples because of all the work 21 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,600 they've gone through to get on a mission. 22 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:24,880 You know, the medical concerns, it's really impressive, amazing. 23 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:30,920 To me, the concern of the church for their senior couples, you know, that, man, there 24 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:36,280 are so many things you have to do and with all my, you know, my little medical things 25 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:43,680 that I have to deal with, I'm still trying to get the doctors to sign off and to take 26 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:48,120 all the tests that are required and it's good. 27 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:55,240 You know, I mean, I don't need to give a history of that on this podcast, but the decision 28 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:59,920 to go on a mission probably saved my life. 29 00:01:59,920 --> 00:02:01,080 You know, you're probably right. 30 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:03,280 I hadn't thought of that, but you could be right. 31 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:08,080 It probably saved my life. 32 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:13,520 You know, who knows, but that's partially the doctor's opinion as well. 33 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:20,080 And so I'm grateful for all the tests. I don't want to discourage any senior couples from, 34 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:27,000 you know, applying for a mission because of the, because the work is more than worth it. 35 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:33,520 I'm, I'm probably in better shape now than I, you know, I know I'm in better shape now 36 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:38,960 than I was even four months ago when we started kind of this process, but it's taken me longer 37 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:40,800 than I, than I thought it would. 38 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:45,400 Well, as a matter of fact, we spent about the first 45 minutes of our time together 39 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:49,400 today. Dave has given me a new exercise for a job. 40 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:51,120 I'm telling you, isn't that amazing? 41 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:55,240 Yeah, I'm really grateful too, because, you know, if I can get ahead of some of this stuff 42 00:02:55,240 --> 00:03:00,920 that, you know, just naturally comes as we age, I'm grateful for that. 43 00:03:00,920 --> 00:03:08,440 Well, I've got to tell all our listeners got this, that it is, I'm, I'm old enough now 44 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:13,760 that I can bear witness how important it is to establish habits while you're young that 45 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:19,920 will last until you're old and into, into your next season of life. 46 00:03:19,920 --> 00:03:20,920 Yeah. 47 00:03:20,920 --> 00:03:25,760 I've been doing exercises now since a doctor told me that I was either going to have to 48 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:30,440 have back surgery or I could start doing exercises. 49 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:35,280 And I said, well, I guess if that's the choice, I'll, I'll start doing exercises. 50 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:36,280 Yeah. 51 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:37,280 Geez whiz. 52 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:38,280 Let me think about that. 53 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:42,600 I was into that was probably in about 2002. 54 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:49,960 So for about the last 22 years, I've had this routine of doing some simple exercises. 55 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:55,640 And I know that those simple exercises, the doctor, the physical therapist, the doctor 56 00:03:55,640 --> 00:04:00,040 sent me to a physical therapist and the physical therapist was awesome. 57 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:06,680 Gave me a video back in those days, a video to look at and to study and I followed it. 58 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,960 And I developed this routine. 59 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:14,320 So for 22 years, I've been doing that routine and I know it has saved my back, kept me from 60 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:18,200 surgery and has even improved my golf swing. 61 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:19,200 I think. 62 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:20,200 Yeah. 63 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:30,840 So I am really grateful for physical therapists and others who can help us to be more, what, 64 00:04:30,840 --> 00:04:33,760 flexible and stronger. 65 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:39,480 I work in my routine as to kind of strengthen my core and flexibility. 66 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:43,360 But you know, I've developed to kind of this, this hip issue now. 67 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:48,440 And so I was sharing that with a doctor and I went to physical therapist just a few days 68 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:53,160 ago and he wanted me to show him the exercises I do. 69 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:57,600 And I showed him and he said, well, let's just tweak a few of those. 70 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:01,360 And honestly, Scott, that was like a revelation to me. 71 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:02,560 That's amazing. 72 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:04,600 Just a tweak. 73 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:10,440 Just instead of instead of on this one exercise, instead of putting my feet in pointed inward, 74 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:18,440 I point them outward, completely changes the stretch and the effect of that. 75 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:20,240 The involvement of various muscles. 76 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:27,400 Oh man, by small and simple, this is the essence of by small and simple things, great things 77 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:29,200 come to pass. 78 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:32,440 And I am so excited. 79 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:34,080 Well, fired up about it. 80 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:35,080 Yeah, you are. 81 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:36,520 And I had to share it with you this morning. 82 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:40,400 And I'm grateful and I don't want you to ever stop sharing that stuff with me because I'm 83 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:42,240 going to fact I forgot to make a copy of those. 84 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:46,120 I need to make a copy of those before you leave because I want to at least implement 85 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:48,440 to at least part of that for sure. 86 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:50,640 You know, Dave, a couple of things. 87 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:55,320 Last week we spent a ton of time over the last several episodes, four or five even. 88 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,720 We've talked about how to have the Holy Ghost in our lives. 89 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:01,120 And this actually, this actually kind of plays into that. 90 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:04,480 You know, when we think about it, you know, I don't know where in the scripture, but where 91 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:08,840 it talks about the spirits willing that the flesh is weak. 92 00:06:08,840 --> 00:06:10,800 That's a fallen experience, right? 93 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:11,800 We have that. 94 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:13,640 We have that experience. 95 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:18,200 And so much of what we've talked about over the last several weeks has been about having 96 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:20,280 the Holy Ghost in our lives. 97 00:06:20,280 --> 00:06:26,200 If we are, if our vessel, if our physical temple is in, you know, the best condition 98 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:33,080 or at least in well enough condition, that definitely affects our ability to be aligned 99 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:34,080 and to fill that. 100 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:38,840 There's definitely a connection, Scott, to our physical well-being and our spiritual 101 00:06:38,840 --> 00:06:39,840 health. 102 00:06:39,840 --> 00:06:40,840 Yeah. 103 00:06:40,840 --> 00:06:43,720 Or our physical health and our spiritual well-being. 104 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:44,720 Right. 105 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:45,720 They're connected. 106 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:46,720 No doubt about it, Scott. 107 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:48,720 That's one of the things I had in spirit. 108 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:53,520 Mind, mind, mind and body, mind, body and spirit. 109 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:59,160 And we believe in the reality of all three of those and the importance of those three 110 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,880 kind of working together. 111 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:07,280 I don't want to get off on a tangent here, but I did have a stake president at one time. 112 00:07:07,280 --> 00:07:11,680 In fact, it was when I was working my way back into membership and we were talking about 113 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:14,080 the importance of fasting, for example. 114 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,360 And we're not going to talk a lot about fasting today. 115 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:20,080 That's not our purpose, but we were talking about fasting and how that can help us to 116 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:25,680 draw the spirit into our lives and he taught me something that you probably should be, 117 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:27,680 well, yeah, duh, you should have known that. 118 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:32,880 It's obvious, but he taught me that fasting is one of the ways that we learn to subject, 119 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:35,720 subjugate the body to the spirit. 120 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:43,440 And the body is really, or the spirit is really dependent on our body, our condition. 121 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:44,440 Yeah, no doubt. 122 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:45,800 Dave's sitting in front of me. 123 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:48,840 He's not obese by any stretch of the imagination. 124 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:53,520 I hope I could be as good a shape as Dave is when I'm 70 and I pay attention to this 125 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:54,520 stuff. 126 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:56,920 I'm in the gym pretty regularly and stuff like that. 127 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:59,400 I gotta lose a few pounds, God, I'm working on it. 128 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:01,240 But you look great and you're doing great. 129 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,120 That's the point. 130 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:07,920 So just kind of be mindful, maybe that's not the purpose of the podcast today, but maybe 131 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:15,240 to just be mindful of how does my physical fitness or how does my physical well-being 132 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:18,320 affect my ability to receive the spirit? 133 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:23,120 Well, I, you know, just since you brought it up and maybe we have said this and maybe 134 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:30,240 we haven't, but one of my favorite all time quotes that I have in my in my notes, Scott, 135 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,560 and I'm just gonna, I'm gonna pull it up here real quick. 136 00:08:32,560 --> 00:08:39,240 He's talking about kind of the connection of the mind, the body, the soul or spirit. 137 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:45,640 He gives this definition of spirituality and he's this is a quote. 138 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:52,000 Really our true aim is the consciousness of victory over self and a communion with the 139 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:53,000 infinite. 140 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:59,280 Now he's and he just, he has just talked about kind of allowing our spirit to control our 141 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:09,560 body and not to have passions or appetites or eating and drinking and those kind of things 142 00:09:09,560 --> 00:09:15,520 control passions, appetites and desires, habits and those kinds of things. 143 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,400 Addictions, those all affect our spirituality. 144 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:20,280 You mentioned this earlier about addiction. 145 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:25,320 You know, that's, that's the addiction is a physical problem, but greater than that 146 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:27,040 is the spiritual problem. 147 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:28,040 You can't separate them. 148 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:32,120 No, well, you really can't, but if you're going to attack anything, if you're going 149 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:37,120 to diagnose an addiction and we don't, and I'm not inviting anybody to do that, not even 150 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:42,320 in your own life unless it's, you know, something that's prompted by the spirit to do it. 151 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:46,600 But if I take an addiction, yeah, there's a physical component to it, but that's not 152 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:47,600 the illness. 153 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:49,840 The illnesses is in my spirituality. 154 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:50,840 Yeah. 155 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:54,960 And we read that, you know, and I, I've wrestled with that and you may too listeners, you 156 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,000 may risk wrestle with that and say, Scott, I don't know if that sounds right. 157 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,600 I don't know if that's 100% accurate. 158 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:08,840 But if we take a look at the text from addiction, the big book of Alcoholics Anonymous, addiction 159 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:16,560 really is a spiritual sickness, it's a departure from a relationship or a void of a relationship 160 00:10:16,560 --> 00:10:23,200 with a higher power with God, with the relationship with Jesus and the Holy Ghost and all sins, 161 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:27,360 all sins, maybe even sins of omission. 162 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:28,360 Yeah. 163 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,800 Effect us not only spiritually, but they can also affect us physically. 164 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:32,800 Yeah. 165 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:34,880 I mean, it can affect our physical well being. 166 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:40,920 It can affect our light, our countenance, our aura, our, I mean, there, there's just 167 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:44,720 this inexplicable connection. 168 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:46,720 Yeah. 169 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:48,920 They're inseparable. 170 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:49,920 Between body and spirit. 171 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:51,400 It is just inseparable. 172 00:10:51,400 --> 00:11:00,560 So Scott, we have talked in this podcast a lot about really how can we receive forgiveness? 173 00:11:00,560 --> 00:11:03,520 How can we come to know where we stand with God? 174 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:09,680 I mean, I think our relationship with the Father, with the, with his Holy Son and with 175 00:11:09,680 --> 00:11:16,000 the Holy Ghost are the essence of our, our lives, not just our mortal lives, but our 176 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:17,720 eternal lives. 177 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,360 And this is life eternal, right? 178 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:26,520 Jesus said in John 17 that they might know the, the only true God in Jesus Christ, whom 179 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:30,200 now has sent and we can know that through the Holy Ghost. 180 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:34,400 All three members of the Godhead are really in that verse. 181 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:40,800 Anyway, Scott, I, we've spent now maybe three, two or three podcasts on the Holy Ghost. 182 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:41,800 Yeah. 183 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:46,640 How to recognize forgiveness and the role of the Holy Ghost, administering the messenger 184 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:51,480 and the administer of the atonement of Jesus Christ in our life. 185 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:56,360 We've talked about how to receive the Holy Ghost, how to recognize the Holy Ghost and 186 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:59,800 how to recognize it when it's there. 187 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:04,000 So this is the key to knowing whether you're forgiven. 188 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:09,720 This is the key to our relationship with the Father, with the Son is to have the Holy Ghost 189 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:15,040 who will teach us, witness to us of, of their love for us. 190 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,600 It's through them that we feel his love. 191 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:23,720 It's through the Holy Ghost that we feel the blessings, the power, the mercy, the grace 192 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:26,960 of the atonement of Jesus Christ in her life. 193 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:30,520 It's the Holy Ghost that does all of this work. 194 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:39,160 And I, I, we just can't, uh, state strong enough, uh, how you and I feel, but also how 195 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:46,800 the prophets feel as witnessed in, uh, third Nephi chapter 19, that the thing that they 196 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:52,880 prayed for most, this talking about the 12 apostles in third Nephi chapter 19, the things 197 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:59,600 that they prayed for the most was that the Holy Ghost would be with them. 198 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:04,200 The thing that they most desired, I think it says the thing that they most desired as 199 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:08,480 they prayed was for the Holy Ghost to be with them. 200 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:11,600 That should be our greatest desire, Scott. 201 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:16,120 Our greatest desire should be that we have the Holy Ghost with us. 202 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:17,880 I think it's like verse 21. 203 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:18,880 You want to? 204 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:23,640 Yeah, Dave, so it's actually third Nephi 19 and we'll start in chapter. 205 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:25,600 Yeah, 19, nine, first nine. 206 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:27,040 Okay. 207 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:32,400 And they did pray for that, which they most desired and they desired that the Holy Ghost 208 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:34,240 should be given unto them. 209 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:39,280 And when they had thus prayed, they went down into the water's edge and the multitude followed 210 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:45,520 them and it came to pass that Nephi went down into the water and was baptized. 211 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:50,680 So this Scott is just the 12 apostles and they're praying and it's right before Jesus 212 00:13:50,680 --> 00:13:51,840 reappears to them. 213 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:56,360 You know, he's appeared and he's left them and and and they're praying and intensely 214 00:13:56,360 --> 00:14:00,600 and and after they do this, he he comes to them again. 215 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:10,360 But I love this this thought and it has influenced me for dozens of years now that the one thing 216 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:16,400 I should pray for the most, the one thing that I should exercise my faith in the most 217 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:24,800 is that I can have the gift constant companionship of the Holy Ghost to be with me. 218 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:26,840 And that is what I pray for. 219 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:30,360 I don't think I ever say a prayer. 220 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:35,120 Scott, maybe even when I bless the food, I'm not sure I ever say a prayer that I don't 221 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:38,000 pray for the spirit to be with me. 222 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:48,400 And I I wish that your children, my children, our grandchildren, our listeners could really 223 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:55,760 focus more on what do I need to do to qualify for the Holy Ghost to be with me? 224 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:57,040 How can I receive him? 225 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:05,320 The word receive is just so, I think, important in understanding the whole idea of our relationship 226 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:06,320 with the Godhead. 227 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:07,960 How can I receive it? 228 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:09,480 What must I do there? 229 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,640 We have to be proactive and intentional in it. 230 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:19,480 And how can I walk in the spirit as Paul invites us to do in Galatians chapter five? 231 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:22,920 I need to walk in the spirit. 232 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:25,480 What can I start doing? 233 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:30,120 What do I need to stop doing that the spirit will always be with me? 234 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:35,120 I'm not even sure, Scott, that if people were to, if you were to really ask people, do you 235 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:39,320 really want the spirit to be with you always? 236 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:44,200 I'm not sure people have even really thought that through. 237 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:47,920 Do I really do I do I just expect him to be with me? 238 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:55,880 Do I do I do I do anything that would would help him to be with me? 239 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,880 Or am I doing things that keep him from being with me? 240 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:02,520 I'm not sure how much they even intentionally think about that. 241 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:09,840 I think I think it's kind of an abstract random idea about having a relationship with God 242 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:13,240 and having a relationship with Jesus Christ. 243 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:18,000 But when I think about having a relationship with the Holy Ghost, Scott, that is concrete 244 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,600 and sequential to me. 245 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:25,440 There are things I know I have to do to have the Holy Ghost with me. 246 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:30,320 And that when I have the Holy Ghost with me, a member of the Godhead that he will teach 247 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:36,880 me about the Father and the Son, he will witness of them and my relationship with them will 248 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:39,360 be what it needs to be. 249 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:48,040 I think the whole key to our spiritual lives is to have the Holy Spirit to be with us. 250 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:55,640 And I my family in making decisions and choices and in receiving inspired answers to their 251 00:16:55,640 --> 00:17:03,280 prayers and having revelation be a part of their daily life as I think it's a healer 252 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:04,280 in chapter 11. 253 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:06,520 Scott, did we read this last week? 254 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:12,960 I think we might may have a human chapter 11 talks about how how how did they survive 255 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:19,560 or how were they surviving the really difficult times that were in heat in the book of Healman. 256 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:25,360 It was by receiving revelation daily. 257 00:17:25,360 --> 00:17:32,040 That's how they that's how they survived in Healman 1123, Scott. 258 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:38,720 We learn how the people were able to survive the people who were righteous were able to 259 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:46,200 survive such wickedness during this this incredible difficult time in the history of the book 260 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:54,680 of Mormon, which is right before precedes the great destruction of Nephite. 261 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:58,320 Lamanite cities in preparation for the coming of Jesus. 262 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:01,640 And in that verse 1123, Scott, what does it say? 263 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:07,280 And in the 79th year, there began to be much strife, but it came to pass that Nephi and 264 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:13,440 Lehi and many of their brethren who knew concerning the true points of doctrine, having many revelations 265 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:14,440 daily. 266 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:19,800 Therefore, they did preach under the people in so much that they did put an end to their 267 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,880 strife in the same year. 268 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:27,240 I love that verse and I know Elder President Eyring loves that verse. 269 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:31,720 That's where I first learned to love it was him quoting it and giving commentary on it. 270 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:39,160 So Scott, do you think are are are we getting revelations daily? 271 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:43,520 I think we have an opportunity to be mindful just being aware of the things in our lives. 272 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:48,240 And I think, you know, Dave, I don't really know that I've really until, you know, the 273 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:53,600 last several years when it's become important to me that I've noticed the existence or the 274 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,880 the Holy Ghost in my I think we just take sometimes things for granted. 275 00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:01,040 I'm not sure that I understand or I have in the past when it's been with me. 276 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:06,200 I would challenge us, invite us, rather all of us, to maybe just pay attention over the 277 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:12,520 last next few days, maybe even write it down if you want to keep a journal or keep track 278 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:18,840 of that, but just recognize when we have seen the influence or felt the influence of the 279 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:22,480 Holy Ghost or the Spirit of our Lord in our the Lord in our lives. 280 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:27,080 So I think that it happens more potentially than we're aware. 281 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:31,800 And not only does it happen potentially more often than we're aware, but that little exercise, 282 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:37,760 that little process that we go through if we do that will in and of itself make us more 283 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:41,400 aligned so that we can draw it in better. 284 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:45,040 I think that's partially what it means to receive him, right? 285 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:52,280 To receive him makes recognize the responsibility on me to, to, to do something about it and 286 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:58,840 to be more proactive in the, in this whole process of receiving the Holy Ghost to be 287 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:00,840 with us. 288 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:08,600 So I, I know, Scott, we could probably do a whole podcast on, on, you know, how to receive 289 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:14,080 the Holy Ghost, how to recognize him, how to receive him, how to recognize him, how 290 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:15,720 to respond to him. 291 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:23,280 I think it's just so critical to our, to the success of our mortality, but we have talked 292 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:33,120 about him mostly as being the agent of grace and mercy and forgiveness in our lives and, 293 00:20:33,120 --> 00:20:40,680 and he is, and how do you recognize that you're forgiven by recognizing the presence, influence 294 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:42,640 of the Holy Ghost in your life? 295 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:47,680 How do you receive a remission of your sins through the gift of the Holy Ghost? 296 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:49,120 That's, that's scripture. 297 00:20:49,120 --> 00:20:54,240 Scott, that's second Nephi chapter 31 verse 17. 298 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:58,600 It's the Holy Ghost that brings a remission of your sins. 299 00:20:58,600 --> 00:20:59,600 It's not water. 300 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:03,000 It's not physical water that we baptize people in. 301 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:08,480 It's not any confession or physical thing that we do. 302 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:15,840 The thing that brings a remission of sins is the reception of the Holy Ghost. 303 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:17,080 You want to, you're turned into that. 304 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:18,080 You want to read it again? 305 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:19,080 They're, they're Nephi. 306 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:20,080 Yeah. 307 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:21,080 Second Nephi. 308 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:22,080 Sorry. 309 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:23,960 Second Nephi chapter 31 verse 17. 310 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:30,000 Wherefore, do the things which I have told you I have seen your Lord and your Redeemer 311 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:31,000 should do. 312 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:35,200 And therefore, for this cause, have they been shown unto me that they might know the gate 313 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:41,400 by which you should enter, for the gate by which you should enter is repentance and baptism 314 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:42,640 by water. 315 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:47,960 And then come at the remission of your sins by fire and by the Holy Ghost. 316 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:51,120 So I think we teach maybe missionaries. 317 00:21:51,120 --> 00:21:53,640 I know I was, I did this. 318 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:55,720 I'm not, I was going to say guilty. 319 00:21:55,720 --> 00:22:01,480 I don't think anybody's guilty, but I'm sure I taught that when people were baptized, they 320 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,320 were forgiven of their sins. 321 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:09,000 Well, if you include baptism of water and fire, that's correct. 322 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,640 If you're only talking about baptism of water, that's incorrect. 323 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:19,360 So it's really through the Holy Ghost that we receive a remission of our sins. 324 00:22:19,360 --> 00:22:24,760 And we've spent probably enough time on this and we should, we need to move into how can 325 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:30,280 we retain Scott a remission of our sins? 326 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,960 How do we retain it? 327 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:37,920 I, I, you know, I love that phrase retain a remission of your sins, which is unique to 328 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:39,840 the Book of Mormon. 329 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:45,440 Elder Bednar's given a talk or two on, on what it means to retain a remission of your sins. 330 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:52,080 King Benjamin, I think, did the, gave us the best and clearest idea of how to retain a 331 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,040 remission of our sins. 332 00:22:55,040 --> 00:23:01,800 And maybe we should, maybe we should talk about that, which begins, I think, in, in his address 333 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:08,080 in chapter four, verse 26, Scott, how to retain a remission of our sins. 334 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:13,360 And then we'll go to Amuelic's discourse to the Zoramites and how they can retain a remission 335 00:23:13,360 --> 00:23:14,360 of their sins. 336 00:23:14,360 --> 00:23:15,360 All right. 337 00:23:15,360 --> 00:23:20,160 So let's start in Mosiah chapter four, verse 26. 338 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:24,520 And now for the sake of these things, which I have spoken unto you that is for the sake 339 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:31,240 of the retaining a remission of your sins from day to day that you may want guiltless before 340 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:32,240 God. 341 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:33,240 That's cool. 342 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:34,240 Read. 343 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:35,240 Yeah. 344 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:36,240 Yeah. 345 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:37,240 So that you remain. 346 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:38,240 So why do you retain a remission of sins? 347 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,440 So that you can walk guiltless before God. 348 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:41,440 How would that feel? 349 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:42,760 I would that you should. 350 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:43,760 How does it feel? 351 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:44,760 It feels great. 352 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,160 I thought that is. 353 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,280 Hopefully we have some idea how that feels. 354 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,720 Yeah, I thought that as soon as I said how does that feel? 355 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,200 Of course I know how that feels. 356 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:54,480 Yeah, we're sinners. 357 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:59,800 I don't know how it feels to dwell there on a consistent maybe consistent. 358 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:00,800 Stop. 359 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:02,280 And I love the word blameless. 360 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:03,280 Guiltless and blameless. 361 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,040 You know, he doesn't use blameless in the Zoramites. 362 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:10,120 But I love I love that idea, which is taught throughout the Book of Mormon that we should 363 00:24:10,120 --> 00:24:12,040 walk blameless before God. 364 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:13,040 Right. 365 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:14,040 Blameless. 366 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,120 We don't blame others and others can't blame us. 367 00:24:16,120 --> 00:24:17,120 And we don't blame ourselves. 368 00:24:17,120 --> 00:24:18,120 Yeah, we don't blame ourselves. 369 00:24:18,120 --> 00:24:19,120 All right. 370 00:24:19,120 --> 00:24:20,120 Let's just be for God. 371 00:24:20,120 --> 00:24:21,120 I'm going to start over. 372 00:24:21,120 --> 00:24:23,040 That that caught me as a really cool little. 373 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:24,720 And I love the day to day insight. 374 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:25,720 Yeah, I do too. 375 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:26,720 All right. 376 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,480 Well, Zide chapter 4 verse 26 again and now for the sake of these things which I have 377 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:35,280 spoken unto you that is for the sake of the retaining of remission of your sins from day 378 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,320 to day that you may walk guiltless before God. 379 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,120 I still get chills when I read that. 380 00:24:40,120 --> 00:24:45,160 I would that you should impart of your substance to the poor every man according to that which 381 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:50,440 he hath such as feeding the hungry clothing the naked visiting the sick and administering 382 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,880 to their relief both spiritually and temporally. 383 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,680 And I love this according to their wants. 384 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,480 I know. 385 00:24:58,480 --> 00:24:59,800 Just their needs. 386 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:00,800 Their wants. 387 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:01,800 Their wants. 388 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:05,240 That's a loving, caring, heavenly father. 389 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:10,360 That that idea is taught in the doctrine comments to that law of consecration work according 390 00:25:10,360 --> 00:25:12,000 to their needs and their wants. 391 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:19,640 But let's just pause on this for another minute, Scott, this person for 26 because he uses the 392 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,720 term remission of sins. 393 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,960 So what does remission even mean? 394 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:27,960 Remission of sins. 395 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:33,000 You know, I had a long discussion years ago with an Institute director about remission 396 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:38,160 of sins and that when we repent our sins go into remission. 397 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:45,200 That's kind of the way he used the term like cancer that when we repent our sins go into 398 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:46,200 remission. 399 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:50,400 And I said, so you think they're still with you or what does that mean to go into remission? 400 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,080 And we had a long discussion about that. 401 00:25:53,080 --> 00:26:01,120 And I think the term remission as it's used in the medical field is not the best definition 402 00:26:01,120 --> 00:26:05,960 of the term as used in the scriptural context here. 403 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:11,640 The remission of sin means and we just looked it up a little while ago, Scott. 404 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,600 And what does Miriam Webster say? 405 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:17,280 Says a remission of sins is a cancellation of debt. 406 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:18,760 That's what it means. 407 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:19,760 Totally. 408 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,720 We retain a cancellation of debt. 409 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:27,880 That is gone, paid for, done, guiltless, debtless. 410 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:28,880 Remembered no more. 411 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,720 I know, really, what a great feeling to be debtless. 412 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,680 When did you have you pay off your house yet? 413 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,240 No, not yet. 414 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:37,240 Oh, man. 415 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:38,240 What a feeling. 416 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:39,240 Yeah, I know. 417 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:43,080 And now I have a plan and it's on the horizon. 418 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:47,600 But I remember making my last house payment. 419 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,440 I remember thinking, wow, I just got a raise. 420 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,200 Wow. 421 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,720 You know, so debtless. 422 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:03,480 That is an take the spiritual take the spiritual side of that, Scott, compared to the temporal 423 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:04,480 side of that. 424 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,440 What it means to be debtless. 425 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:21,120 That is an amazing, amazing, freeing, liberating, exhilarating, humbling, grateful feeling that 426 00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:22,120 you have. 427 00:27:22,120 --> 00:27:23,120 Right, right. 428 00:27:23,120 --> 00:27:28,080 Anyway, words can't describe it, but remission of sins. 429 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,760 So how do we retain that, Scott, according to King Benjamin? 430 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:33,800 Well, we serve others. 431 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,520 We impart of our substance to others according to their wants, their needs. 432 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:42,080 And what do you think it means substance and who are the poor? 433 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,520 Are the poor temporal or the poor spiritual? 434 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:46,520 Yes. 435 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:47,520 Okay, that's the answer. 436 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:48,520 Yes. 437 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:49,520 It's both, right? 438 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:55,320 Yeah, and substance is both physical, temporal and spiritual. 439 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,320 And spiritual, yeah. 440 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:58,320 For sure. 441 00:27:58,320 --> 00:27:59,320 Yeah. 442 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,720 I mean, it's super easy and it's because it's measurable to impart our substance is 443 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:08,840 temporal, you know, I give you $10, you know, that is a percentage of my net worth $10. 444 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,400 But I can't, you know, I can't measure that in the spiritual, right? 445 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:13,400 Right. 446 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,400 But what's more valuable? 447 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:16,400 Yeah. 448 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,880 The immeasurable is always, yeah, absolutely. 449 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,440 Typically more valuable. 450 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:27,080 You know, when I, when I, when people maybe read this great chapter and he talks about 451 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:32,000 the beggar here, that are we not all beggars and giving to the beggars? 452 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:36,240 And he's, but again, he's talking not just temporally or financially. 453 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,960 He's talking about spiritually. 454 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:44,080 But you know, I think people immediately when they think about giving to the poor these 455 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:51,120 days, they think about the person at the stoplight who's got a sign up. 456 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,360 I don't know what do we call that? 457 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:54,360 Panhandling. 458 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:55,360 Panhandling. 459 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:56,360 Yeah. 460 00:28:56,360 --> 00:29:00,040 People that are panhandling and maybe that's the first thing that people think of when 461 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:04,720 they think of giving money to the poor or giving your substance. 462 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:09,440 He doesn't use the term money giving substance to your to the poor. 463 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:13,920 Well you got to read maybe the next verse for those people that think that Scott. 464 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:20,520 So verse 27 and what does he say about, about how to give our substance temporally, spiritually 465 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:21,520 to the poor? 466 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:26,800 He says and see that these things are done in wisdom and order for it's not requisite 467 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,120 that a man should run faster than he has strength. 468 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:34,400 And again, it is expedient that he should be diligent that thereby he might win the 469 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:35,400 prize. 470 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,920 Therefore, all things must be done in order. 471 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:39,920 Yeah. 472 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:44,920 There has to be wisdom and order in giving our substance. 473 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:51,880 And I think I want to dwell more upon maybe the spiritual side of this Scott, because 474 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:57,280 I know that serving others and helping them with their temporal needs is critical to their 475 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:02,920 spiritual needs, but it's their spiritual needs that are going to determine their it's 476 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:08,520 not how much money they have or how big the home they live in or the food that they eat 477 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:12,000 that's going to determine their their eternities. 478 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:18,080 But it's their spiritual needs that are going to really determine where they spend the rest 479 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,280 of their eternal lives. 480 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:22,880 Immortality and eternal life. 481 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:30,840 So I want to maybe focus a little more on that than the giving of physical financial 482 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:32,360 aid to others. 483 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:33,520 I think that's awesome. 484 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,720 That's that's definitely included here. 485 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,480 He ends that verse in verse 26. 486 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,000 He says temporally and spiritually, right? 487 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,160 So I mean, he's talking both. 488 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:46,840 But I think to retain a remission of our sins. 489 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:56,680 It is what spiritual work am I doing daily to serve others that really affects me retaining 490 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,640 a remission of my sins. 491 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:04,920 I know there are there are many scriptures that we could look at in the Bible book Mormon 492 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:11,880 and doctrine governments that testify that if we bear our testimonies to others, we are 493 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:19,360 forgiven of our sins, if we serve a mission and we are teaching and testifying, baptizing 494 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:27,400 and helping others to receive God in their life, we save ourselves. 495 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:28,920 You know the great scripture on this. 496 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:29,920 Let's just turn to it. 497 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:30,920 Read it. 498 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:36,040 Scott is doctrine, covenant section section four in doctrine, covenant section four. 499 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:41,640 I think it's like the fifth verse and low he that thrust his thinnest sickle with his 500 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:48,200 mind the same layeth up in store that he perisheth not that he perisheth not that he perisheth 501 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:54,840 not the person that thrust in his sickle to do missionary work right to help in the harvest 502 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:55,840 in the gathering. 503 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:57,320 Yeah, the greatest gathering ever. 504 00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:01,120 According to President Nelson, he the thrust in his sickle. 505 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:05,560 He lays up in store that he that he perisheth not. 506 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:06,560 Okay, keep going. 507 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:11,200 Yeah, and this is the key and faith, hope, charity and love with an eye single to the 508 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,720 glory of God qualify him for the work. 509 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:21,120 So let me read six to remember faith, virtue, knowledge, temperance, patience, brotherly 510 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:27,160 kindness, godliness, charity, humility, diligence, asking you shall receive knocking it shall 511 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,120 be opened unto you. 512 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:34,360 That's that's that's pretty laid out for us what we need to do. 513 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,040 If we can just to reoccur and cultivate those things. 514 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,080 Yes, to retain the relation. 515 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:40,080 Yieldless. 516 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:41,080 Exactly. 517 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:46,880 And to God to retain a a cancellation of debt. 518 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,440 This is what we need to do. 519 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:53,840 And our debt really, Scott, it's been canceled for sure. 520 00:32:53,840 --> 00:33:00,720 But it's now we have to try to repay what we have received to others. 521 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,240 We need to pay it forward. 522 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:03,240 We need to help others. 523 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,200 We didn't earn. 524 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:10,600 It's a bad comparison me me comparing forgiveness of sin pain off my house. 525 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:16,120 Because I you know I work to do that and I I paid the money to do that. 526 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,800 I didn't pay any money to be forgiven of my sins. 527 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,280 I didn't pay any money to become guiltless. 528 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,480 There was nothing I could offer for that. 529 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:29,520 I was guilty and Jesus Christ paid all of it 100% of it. 530 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,360 But you did offer a broken heart and a contrary spirit. 531 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,200 Let's not leave that let's not leave that out saved by grace. 532 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:36,200 Yeah. 533 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:37,440 After all we can do and that's all you can do. 534 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:42,640 There is nothing in that debt that I could pay now not one millionth of one percent according 535 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,680 to Robert J. Matthews. 536 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:54,600 Could I repay so how can we by paying off not paying off sorry how can we show our gratitude 537 00:33:54,600 --> 00:34:01,720 for and retain a remission of our sins by helping to serve others. 538 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:08,560 I mean this is how I see it Scott and this is the key to ministering in the church and 539 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:14,000 I'm talking about ministering to those were assigned to minister and minister to everybody 540 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:18,960 else including those who are or who are not of the church who incidentally were also assigned 541 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:19,960 to minister. 542 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:20,960 Yes. 543 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:21,960 Amen. 544 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:28,480 But how can I do that the best way I know to minister and there's lots of ways to do 545 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:36,200 it temporarily but spiritually the best way I know of is to help them understand Jesus 546 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:44,320 Christ and his atonement and Scott I and to help them to receive the fullness of the Holy 547 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:45,920 Ghost and that's what you're saying. 548 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,040 Help them to repent to cry repentance. 549 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:49,040 Right. 550 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:50,840 That's the that's the net result. 551 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:58,760 That's why that's why crying repentance is the Lord tells us over and over again say 552 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,280 nothing but repentance. 553 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:06,480 The thing that will be of most value to you you know this is in in doctrine comes 15 16 554 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,880 the thing that will be of most value to you is to cry repentance. 555 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:14,240 The first thing Jesus said when he came out of his 40 day fast repent all ye ends of the 556 00:35:14,240 --> 00:35:15,920 earth and be baptized. 557 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:20,800 So how do we retain a remission of our sins by serving others serving him by serving others 558 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:27,800 and how do we spiritually serve others by crying repentance helping others to understand 559 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:36,240 and access the atonement of Jesus Christ the power of Christ through his atonement in their 560 00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:37,240 life. 561 00:35:37,240 --> 00:35:43,480 When when Deb and I pray I love to hear my wife pray and I'm not going to get into all 562 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:50,360 of it but one of the things that she frequently says is help me father to serve the best 563 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,240 serve the better by serving others. 564 00:35:52,240 --> 00:35:53,240 I love that. 565 00:35:53,240 --> 00:35:54,240 I do too. 566 00:35:54,240 --> 00:35:59,600 That's one of the one of the many many many many thousands of things that I felt deeply 567 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,160 in love with her over but it's an important one. 568 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:10,200 I remember our dear late president of the Corps of the Twelve elder Ballard you know 569 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:17,360 talking years ago about to pray about who you can share the gospel with daily daily 570 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:18,360 daily. 571 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:26,000 I pray to have the Lord lead people to you and to recognize them and to to cry repentance 572 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:32,000 and to teach others and to express God's love to others daily. 573 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,200 That's what I think King Benjamin is describing here. 574 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:42,040 That's how we retain a remission of our sins is by continually trying to help others to 575 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:48,560 understand and receive the full blessings of the Atonement of Christ in their life. 576 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:49,560 Yeah. 577 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:54,120 Well and by doing this we're really focusing on and paying close attention to the second 578 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,360 part of the first great commandment. 579 00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:57,360 Yeah. 580 00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,680 To love our neighbor as ourselves. 581 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:00,680 Yeah. 582 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:01,680 Absolutely. 583 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:03,320 That's right. 584 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:07,480 And always remember not to make the second commandment the first commandment don't ever 585 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,000 put the second exactly. 586 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:15,160 Right but once you have experienced the first commandment to the full extent and you've 587 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:20,440 loved God and you have repented of your sin and you've been forgiven. 588 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,360 It's just natural Scott. 589 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:26,840 It's just natural to want to share it with others and to love your fellow men and to 590 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:31,800 want them to feel the love of God and to experience the remission of sins as you have 591 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:38,160 just the way Alma right Alma Enos all the great Paul becomes the greatest missionary 592 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:43,800 of the church in some respects and I'm not going to compare him to others but he becomes 593 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:48,760 an amazing missionary because of his conversion. 594 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:56,440 Once you are forgiven what is your desire your natural desire is to help others to share 595 00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:02,480 what you've learned to just participate in the things that he's asked you to do. 596 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:11,040 So I think that to really for us to retain a remission of our sins to be able to walk 597 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:16,320 in the spirit to have the Holy Ghost with us continually testifying of God's love and 598 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:23,640 of God's power mercy and grace and ministering those gifts into our lives we need to be helping 599 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,400 others to receive it as well. 600 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:31,200 Well Dave you know and I don't necessarily want to pivot on this but I do want to mention 601 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:36,560 it and if we do pivot that's fine but the thing is too is you know we've been we've 602 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:41,920 received a lot of great counsel from our current prophet and I can think of a lot of you know 603 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:46,680 things that he's inspired us and directed us and invited us to do one of the things that 604 00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:52,720 seems to be really at top of mind for President Nelson is gathering Israel and you know and 605 00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:57,120 by gathering Israel that's what we're doing and or what I should have said is by doing 606 00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:01,720 this that's what we're really doing is helping to gather Israel. Now there's two parts of 607 00:39:01,720 --> 00:39:05,760 gathering Israel there's multiple parts but there's two main segments there's two main 608 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:10,600 sections one of them's here the other one's in the spirit world right and last week we 609 00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:17,000 talked a lot a little bit not a lot but a little bit about how we maintain or retain 610 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:22,040 a remission of our sins by having the spirit with us and how that can be benefited as we 611 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:27,240 worship for those of us who are able and making that effort how we can benefit by worshiping 612 00:39:27,240 --> 00:39:31,840 in the temple and also helping in the gathering of Israel on that side of the veil. 613 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:37,880 Well gathering of Israel at the heart of the gathering of Israel Scott is to participate 614 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:44,440 in ordinances of the gospel and to enter the covenant path right and so we need to talk 615 00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:49,640 about that we need to make that pivot here shortly but before we do let's let's cross 616 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:59,560 reference mosaic 426 with Alma 34 and what amulet teaches the Zora mites and I can reference 617 00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:06,960 that earlier so in Alma 34 and before you read it Scott Alma 34 28 let's keep in mind 618 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:13,080 he's just told them how to read how to exercise faith unto repentance how to receive the infinite 619 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:20,600 entombed and and doing it all receiving it by crying out to God and to cry out to God 620 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:25,880 that they may receive a remission of their sins right and then he says after you've done 621 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:32,920 all this then you got to do this so okay I'm a 34 28 now behold my brother and I say and 622 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:38,000 do you do not suppose that this is all for after you have done all these things if you 623 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:43,160 turn away the needy and the naked and visit not the sick and the afflicted and in part 624 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:49,520 of your substance if you have those who stand in need I say unto you if ye do not any of 625 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:56,240 these things behold your prayer is vain and availeth you nothing and ye are as hypocrites 626 00:40:56,240 --> 00:41:04,200 who do deny the faith now and keep in mind keep in mind everybody that we're not just 627 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:10,240 talking temporarily here poor we're not just talking physically afflicted we're talking 628 00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:15,680 spiritually spiritually afflicted spiritually poor spiritually needy we're talking we're 629 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:21,320 definitely talking temporarily we're talking physical but that there's always a relationship 630 00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:28,560 and and you can't separate them in my in my mind so if we neglect those who are poor 631 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:39,880 in spirit for example then we are hypocrites he says we're hypocrites anyway I I love 632 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:45,120 this idea is taught so clearly in the Book of Mormon and the other verses you know that 633 00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:51,880 what that once we have received the blessings of the Holy Ghost in our life we need to help 634 00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:58,360 others to receive those blessings too and you've taught me Scott that that's really the key 635 00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:07,200 to a dictionary covering right that this isn't just a gospel principle or law this is an 636 00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:16,120 eternal law yeah definitely this this helping others in is so important to in fact the last 637 00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:22,440 two step actually last step of alcoholics anonymous is that we help others you know we 638 00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:28,360 continue to do what we're doing and we help others having had a spiritual awakening as 639 00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:34,240 the result of the steps and so we know we take the steps the 12 the first 11 steps and 640 00:42:34,240 --> 00:42:40,640 then in 12 it says as having taken those steps or the result of taking those steps those 641 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:45,400 first 11 steps now we have a spiritual awakening it's interesting because it doesn't say now 642 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,880 you're recovered now you don't want to drink anymore now you don't have this addiction 643 00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:54,240 anymore doesn't say any of that but what it does say is that having had a spiritual awakening 644 00:42:54,240 --> 00:42:58,560 as a result of these steps we continue to practice these principles and all our affairs 645 00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:06,800 and to help other alcoholics to achieve sobriety and that's important because without that giving 646 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:11,800 back without that help it's an eternal principle you know the the alcoholics anonymous we've 647 00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:17,480 said that before is just a small microcosm of the gospel without the authority that you 648 00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,680 know has been restored and a few other things and it's not the only thing that is but it 649 00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:28,200 is and the fact that it is it really helps me to understand because if I as I've experienced 650 00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:33,160 that Dave some of my most spiritual experiences have been in some pretty raunchy places pretty 651 00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:39,120 scary dark damp dank places some of my most spiritual experiences have been there though 652 00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:46,360 as I have gone in to assist alcoholics who are still struggling just to help them see 653 00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:50,040 light just to help them and as we breathe that light now this is the cool thing about 654 00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:55,400 it as I breathe that light into them or as the spirit breeze that light into them and 655 00:43:55,400 --> 00:44:01,600 I'm the vessel by which it's doing so yeah that strengthens me yeah the power that the 656 00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:09,000 strength that comes to that person that's wonderful but it might be even more poignant 657 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:14,560 for me for a couple of reasons number one I'm familiar more familiar with it now number 658 00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:18,200 two I know what to do with it when I'm feeling it now and you know when I'm in the beginning 659 00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:24,520 of that I just feel that I just feel hope now I feel hope charity love right you know 660 00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:32,400 and I think that that's the difference well so any and any return missionary 100% right 661 00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:36,760 and experience that right yeah if you any missionary yeah you get called to a mission 662 00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,920 you may not be excited to go there you go there you fall in love with it you don't fall 663 00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:44,000 in love with the place you fall in love with the people those that you serve and it's not 664 00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:53,480 about going on a mission it's about being a missionary and any missionary called or not 665 00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:58,440 has experience that when you when you try to help somebody receive the Holy Ghost to 666 00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:06,600 receive Christ and his atoning sacrifice in their life and to be baptized by water and 667 00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:16,240 by fire you get it it comes it comes to you anyway you can't give it away you you share 668 00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:23,440 it and you receive it and that is the continual process that we should be engaged in in order 669 00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:30,040 to retain a remission of our sins and and maybe now is the time to pivot and part of 670 00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:38,480 that Scott to retain a remission of our sins is to be continually at least weekly and maybe 671 00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:47,040 more often to be participating in ordinances of the gospel and the the importance of participating 672 00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:55,480 in those ordinances can also help us to retain a remission of our sins and I don't think 673 00:45:55,480 --> 00:46:01,240 we have time to to go into the full extent of what that means and how how what it means 674 00:46:01,240 --> 00:46:09,800 to call upon the name of Jesus through the ordinances of the gospel and how to continually 675 00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:17,120 even even daily Scott in some ways to be calling upon the name of Jesus and I'm not just talking 676 00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:23,480 about prayers now I'm talking about that through ordinances and covenants that we participated 677 00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:30,400 in how to remember him always right as the sacrament prayer puts it an ordinance how 678 00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:38,160 to remember him always that we may always have his spirit administering the atonement 679 00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:45,280 of Jesus Christ in our life to be with us you know I think I think when I think when 680 00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:52,640 people hear that that the Holy Ghost may always be with us they think of to guide us to direct 681 00:46:52,640 --> 00:47:00,120 us to protect us to give us promptings to give us inspiration revelation whatever and 682 00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:07,800 they don't think about enough to give us redemption the Holy Ghost brings redemption into our life 683 00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:16,480 the Holy Ghost brings read read forgiveness into our life the Holy Ghost brings the atonement 684 00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:23,120 of Jesus Christ into our life so when I hear the sacrament prayer that we may always remember 685 00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:28,240 him that we may always have his spirit to be with us I think about forgiveness I think 686 00:47:28,240 --> 00:47:34,440 about a remission of sins when I hear that that phrase I don't think of it includes all 687 00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:40,200 of that it includes all of that but I think too many times we don't think about the Holy 688 00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:51,120 Ghost being the one the third member of the Godhead to be his role and his purpose is 689 00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:57,680 to bring us a remission of sins and to help us to retain a remission of our sins but the 690 00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:04,360 ordinances Scott definitely help us to receive the Holy Ghost we receive the gift of the 691 00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:08,600 Holy Ghost through the ordinance we receive we receive the gift of the Holy Ghost through 692 00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:14,440 the preparatory ordinance of baptism by water and then by the laying out of hands we receive 693 00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:18,520 the gift of the Holy Ghost when we exercise our priesthood Scott either as the giver 694 00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:22,920 or the receiver of a priesthood blessing we learn that those in James in the book of 695 00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:29,120 James in the New Testament those who are healed are forgiven of their sins he talks about 696 00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:34,480 the laying out of hands and and and blessings and those who are healed call in the elders 697 00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:40,000 he says this James the half brother of Jesus call in the elders and when they're blessed 698 00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:46,200 and when they're healed they're given up for remission of their sins so whatever we participate 699 00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:52,760 in any ordinance of the gospel the atonement of Jesus Christ is applied in our life I shared 700 00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:59,240 that thought with brother Robert J. Matthews years ago in Minnesota he had come there to 701 00:48:59,240 --> 00:49:07,120 teach and train I've shared this story before but for new listeners and brother Robert J. 702 00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:13,160 Matthews is of course the man that wrote the Bible dictionary working on it for nine years 703 00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:19,520 by the way every day he told me for nine years every day including holidays and Sundays he 704 00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:25,440 told me I worked on the Bible dictionary anyway he was in my home he was staying with us for 705 00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:33,560 a week and I had known him for years and I love Robert J. Matthews and I said brother 706 00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:40,840 Matthews we were up what late one night talking gospel and I said I've come to this conclusion 707 00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:46,920 that whenever we participate in any ordinance of the gospel the atonement of Jesus Christ 708 00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:53,280 is applied in our life and he said say it again David so I repeated it after I repeated 709 00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:59,440 it he said do you have a pencil and paper so I went got a pencil and paper I think I 710 00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:06,000 got a pencil not a pen it's got a pencil and paper and I remember I can picture this right 711 00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:15,400 now in my mind him taking that old yellow pencil and writing down on a yellow pad whenever 712 00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:21,320 we participate in any ordinance of the gospel the atonement of Jesus Christ is applied in 713 00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:30,440 our life and he looked at that for a moment and he studied it and he said I think that's 714 00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:40,880 true in fact David that was worth coming to Minnesota for and he later told me that he 715 00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:50,160 would add the word faithful the any whenever we participate faithfully in any ordinance 716 00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:58,280 of the gospel faithfully or worthily the atonement of Jesus Christ is applied in our life and 717 00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:07,960 I think that's an important distinction so I we we need to talk about this in maybe our 718 00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:12,640 next part yeah we'll need to extend I just want to say this though you know in Dr. and 719 00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:17,520 Covenants 84 is talking about the temple is talking about the priesthood rather is talking 720 00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:22,360 about the power of it and all of that and that is through the priesthood that these ordinances 721 00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:27,560 are performed and it has to be through the authority power godliness in an 8420 it says 722 00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:34,680 therefore in the ordinances thereof the power of godliness is manifest that's it yeah an 723 00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:39,120 elder bednar has shared that and said that the atonement of the power godliness is among 724 00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:46,640 other things the power godliness is the atonement of Jesus Christ it is the redemption it is 725 00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:53,640 the forgiveness of sin it's it that's the power of godliness right is to help us to 726 00:51:53,640 --> 00:52:00,920 return to his presence so I I love the talk that elder bednar gave on that is called honorably 727 00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:05,680 hold a name and a standing that's from April 2009 if you want to look that up I encourage 728 00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:12,000 you to do it it's one of my very favorite talks or invitations as to our relationship 729 00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:17,560 and understanding the power of the Holy Ghost in our lives and we need to talk about that 730 00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:26,200 talk next time and we need to talk about elder Oaks talk in April of 1985 called taking upon 731 00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:32,880 ourselves the name of Jesus I think it's what it's called and let's talk next in our next 732 00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:41,440 podcast then about how ordinances and covenants of the gospel of the restored gospel of Jesus 733 00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:53,560 Christ help us to access the atonement of our savior in our life so I think again maybe 734 00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:59,440 our listeners can contemplate what does it mean to have the spirit to always be with 735 00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:05,640 us how can I walk in the spirit how can I daily have the spirit what again do I need 736 00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:12,440 to start doing or stop doing that the spirit may be with me always what is the importance 737 00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:19,760 of sharing the gospel of serving others of ministering to the needs of temporally and 738 00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:27,400 spiritually how can I minister to others and the whole goal of that remember is to help 739 00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:35,760 them to receive and feel the love of God in their life and receive the blessings of the 740 00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:43,280 Holy Ghost in their life who will administer to them for remission of sins and to help 741 00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:54,080 them to return to their presence of our heavenly Father so Scott I think with that we'll we'll 742 00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:59,480 look forward to having a great discussion next week about the ordinances and covenants 743 00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:05,160 of the gospel and their their role in this process and that includes the sacrament that 744 00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:12,720 I hope others will listen carefully to the sacrament prayers this Sunday and the power 745 00:54:12,720 --> 00:54:18,240 that's in the in those in that ordinance right now especially not especially but in the the 746 00:54:18,240 --> 00:54:23,520 sacrament prayer on the bread there's actually something that talks about he says that they 747 00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:28,520 may that they will take his name upon them and so you know pay attention to that as 748 00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:33,480 we do that this week and did you have something to say about I was just gonna say witness 749 00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:39,080 witness unto the that they will take that they will take upon them the name and and elder 750 00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:43,120 Oaks explains that beautifully as well as elder bed are in those two thoughts we'll talk 751 00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:49,400 about that next week we're kind of at a spot where it's like we begin to feel the the effects 752 00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:54,320 of the atonement of Jesus Christ more fully in our lives that if and as we participate 753 00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:59,720 in the stuff that we talk about it'll never be perfect but it will it will definitely 754 00:54:59,720 --> 00:55:03,960 benefit us it will definitely bring the spirit into our lives our invitation this week would 755 00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:09,720 be to just pay attention be mindful about how the spirit is working in your life and 756 00:55:09,720 --> 00:55:14,520 as you're mindful about that maybe be mindful about the increase of the spirit as you pay 757 00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:19,120 attention what we focus on tends to expand and if we are focusing on that then let's 758 00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:23,120 let's experience the expansion of the spirit in our lives thanks for being with us we 759 00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:28,600 look forward to being with you every week you can contact us and questions etc he redeems 760 00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:35,600 us at gmail.com take care everybody