1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:20,700 Hey there everybody welcome back to another episode of Redeem Through His Blood. 2 00:00:20,700 --> 00:00:23,160 Scott and David Durfey here as always. 3 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:24,160 How are you Dave? 4 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:25,160 I'm excited. 5 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,080 Excited to talk about this Scott. 6 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:37,000 This is one of the maybe least understood, least appreciated manifestations of repentance 7 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:40,520 is restitution which we're going to talk about today. 8 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:45,640 Yeah so the first couple of manifestations that we've talked about have been to confess 9 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:52,320 and forsake maybe one in the same but we've kind of broken them up also to be individually 10 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:58,200 approached as well but and again today we're going to get right into restitution, making 11 00:00:58,200 --> 00:00:59,200 restitution. 12 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:06,000 This is a pretty important one Dave when we are dealing with recovery. 13 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:09,600 This is a big one and it can be one that kind of gets us tripped up. 14 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:15,200 It's interesting how the laws of the gospel and the principles of recovery are pretty 15 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:18,160 closely aligned, pretty closely related. 16 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:19,160 Really interesting. 17 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:21,560 I love that Scott. 18 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:27,440 And again I keep saying this but I guess review, I feel like I have to review this like seven 19 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:36,680 times before everybody really remembers it is that we're talking about the evidences of 20 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:37,680 repentance. 21 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:40,840 Now they're an important part of the process. 22 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:46,800 Critical, critical confession, forsaking, restitution, forgiving yourself and others. 23 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:53,760 Those are the four evidences of repentance or manifestations as we call them. 24 00:01:53,760 --> 00:02:00,640 But the real heart of repentance is not confessing, forsaking, making restitution or forgiving 25 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:01,640 yourself. 26 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:09,000 The real heart of repentance is crying out to God, offering your whole soul and your 27 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:10,920 sins to him. 28 00:02:10,920 --> 00:02:19,200 Being your savior, everybody I think recently studied Mosiah and that crying out with one 29 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:29,440 voice, confessing their sins to God and to cry out for repentance and forgiveness to 30 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:30,440 him. 31 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:36,200 That's the heart of repentance and yet I don't know why but so many people are doing all 32 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:41,800 these things all the way around it, they're dealing with all these spokes of the wheel 33 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:49,040 and they never really get to the core of repentance which is crying out to God and offering our 34 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:51,520 whole soul and sins to him. 35 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,400 So again and there's conditions before that. 36 00:02:54,400 --> 00:03:00,040 The broken heart, contrite spirit, the recognition of sin. 37 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:01,320 Faith in Jesus Christ. 38 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:07,880 Faith in Jesus Christ is the power behind it, that's the foundation of repentance, being 39 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:11,480 honest and understanding the doctrine of Christ. 40 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:19,160 Those are all the kind of the foundations, maybe prerequisites of repentance. 41 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:26,320 But anyway, so I just again wanted to quickly review kind of where we're at. 42 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:32,760 So we talked about forsaking sins last time and now we're into restitution. 43 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:36,400 I think restitution is really critical. 44 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:44,520 The chapter in Elder Anderson's book on this was fun to work with him on and we had some 45 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:52,520 really some of our most serious long discussions that we had. 46 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:58,400 We're based on this piece, this evidence of repentance. 47 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:04,560 I know that in the book we use the word reveal quite a bit in this. 48 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:13,960 I see and I know Elder Anderson does as well, sees restitution as revealing our sincerity, 49 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,560 revealing our faith. 50 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:26,680 Restitution is a process, but restitution, I'll just read this one part, wanting to generously 51 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:35,160 make restitution to those who have been hurt or wrongly treated by our sins reveals, it 52 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:42,960 reveals our sincere desire and intent to repent and receive forgiveness. 53 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:49,560 Well, so I just think it's really important, Scott, that we understand what restitution 54 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:50,560 is. 55 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:56,720 Restitution means, right, let's just talk about the word for a minute, it means to pay 56 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:03,520 back or to restore what was lost, right? 57 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:05,320 Is there anything else I should say about that definition? 58 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:08,840 No, I think that's it, to restore what's lost, yeah. 59 00:05:08,840 --> 00:05:16,040 You try to restore what was lost and the truth is, Scott, we can't ever restore everything 60 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,000 that was lost. 61 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:24,440 We can do everything, you can't always restore all the integrity that was lost, you can't 62 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:34,200 always restore the trust that was lost, you can't restore virtue, you can't restore, I 63 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:39,720 guess you can restore monetary things, you can restore things that perhaps you've stolen 64 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:47,680 that are physical, but I don't know how you restore emotional, you know, what was lost 65 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:55,800 emotionally, what was lost spiritually, what was lost mentally, what was lost socially, 66 00:05:55,800 --> 00:06:01,800 there's so many other things that can not be restored. 67 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:06,800 And this is where our faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and our understanding of the Atonement 68 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:07,800 comes in. 69 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:14,880 And on that note, you know, I've shared this before, but in our Elder Anderson and I, when 70 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:25,160 we went to the prison to meet with a prisoner and 80 prisoners showed up, what an experience 71 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:35,040 to have an apostle, prophet, seer and revelator ask the prisoners if they have any questions 72 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:39,640 after he bore testimony of the Savior. 73 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:46,600 And I'll never forget the serious look on this one prisoner's face as he raised his 74 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:54,640 hand, setting on the aisle about halfway back and he asked Elder Anderson, so Elder Anderson, 75 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:57,880 really what hope is there for us? 76 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:01,200 Some of us have lost everything. 77 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:05,520 We've lost everything. 78 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:14,400 And I remember Elder Anderson coming up on his toes and his voice raising as loud as I've 79 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:23,760 heard him speak and bearing testimony that everything can be restored through Jesus Christ 80 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:25,800 and his Atonement. 81 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:27,680 Everything can be restored. 82 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:33,720 So while it's true, Scott, and I knew that that was by way one of the most spiritual 83 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:41,200 electrical spiritual experiences that I've had in my lifetime was to hear a prophet bear 84 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:48,960 testimony to to that man and to all the prisoners that were there about the power, the scope, 85 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:59,960 the depth and breadth of the power of Jesus Christ because of his Atonement, that all 86 00:07:59,960 --> 00:08:01,280 things could be restored. 87 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:07,520 Now while we cannot restore everything, it's important that we understand that Jesus Christ 88 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:15,920 does restore everything if we are faithful, if we will seek to access the power of his 89 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,440 Atonement. 90 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:23,520 And there's there's two different kinds of people that will listen to this podcast and 91 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:30,960 that that is those who have sinned, Scott, right, and who need repentance and who need 92 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:32,960 to make restitution. 93 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:36,720 And then there's a second group of people who will be listening to this. 94 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:44,000 And that's the group that have been sinned against and their concern about restitution 95 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:54,600 and their concern becomes not how can I pay it back, but how can I get back what was lost, 96 00:08:54,600 --> 00:09:02,520 not what I stole, not what I took, but how can I receive back what was lost, innocently 97 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,720 lost. 98 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:08,360 These are victims of sin. 99 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:14,080 These are those who have been in an evil way acted upon. 100 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:21,200 So restitution is affects both of these groups to understand the principle and the manifestation 101 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:24,240 of restitution in the process of repentance. 102 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:31,840 I think can be can be not only uplifting, but can be really healing. 103 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:38,800 One of the things that as sinners, when we really truly come to this godly sorrow and 104 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:44,960 contrite spirit experience, right, which is the opposite of the Elder Anderson as he calls 105 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:50,040 him the twin bullies fear and pride, right, which keeps us from repenting. 106 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:51,040 Yeah. 107 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:55,800 But when we think of this, when I think of the the harm that I've caused in my sinning 108 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:59,880 and I may be an invitation to all of us to just kind of go through this exercise mentally 109 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:01,920 right now as we talk about it. 110 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:06,480 But as I think about all that I've caused in loss towards other people. 111 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:10,520 And even if I hadn't David been raised or not raised, I wasn't raised an alcoholic. 112 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:15,440 But if I hadn't become an alcoholic and if I hadn't chosen a path that led me down really 113 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:19,480 dark alleys and stuff like that, I would still be having this experience. 114 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:25,120 There would still be those that had been affected by sins that I had, I had, you know, caused 115 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:26,560 or brought upon them. 116 00:10:26,560 --> 00:10:27,560 We've all heard people. 117 00:10:27,560 --> 00:10:28,560 Exactly. 118 00:10:28,560 --> 00:10:29,560 And that's my point. 119 00:10:29,560 --> 00:10:32,720 And that isn't just because Scott's an alcoholic and he had this experience. 120 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:37,480 I think this is part of the human experience for us, you know, that we do we do hurt people 121 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:42,040 and we hurt people's feelings and we cause others to see themselves in ways that they 122 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:45,280 that are that are inaccurate. 123 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:49,200 They see themselves as being less than I think about maybe some of the ways that, you know, 124 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:53,680 I've handled kids and my own children, you know, when have they felt like they weren't 125 00:10:53,680 --> 00:10:55,840 important to me and how did that affect them? 126 00:10:55,840 --> 00:11:00,640 And, you know, and even when I was trying and doing my very best as a dad, I can still 127 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:01,640 have those experiences. 128 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:03,240 I I'm still subject. 129 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:04,560 I'm still prone. 130 00:11:04,560 --> 00:11:06,640 I'm still exposed to sinning. 131 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:10,840 Well, let me let me just say, Scott, no sin. 132 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,400 Yeah. 133 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,400 No sin can be acted out in a bubble. 134 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:17,400 Yeah. 135 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:22,680 Just like we talked about every sin last week, every sin affects everybody we know. 136 00:11:22,680 --> 00:11:23,680 Yeah. 137 00:11:23,680 --> 00:11:30,240 And you don't any sin you commit in a closet affects everybody that you know, even if they 138 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:36,160 don't know about the sin, because you are not the individual with the spirit of the 139 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:39,960 Lord that you need to be or need to have. 140 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:44,920 So every sin affects others. 141 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:52,320 It's just it's just wrong to think that any major sin that we commit or major crime that 142 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:56,040 we commit are the only sins that affect others. 143 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:59,000 Every sin we commit affects others. 144 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:01,840 And so this will apply to all of us. 145 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:07,040 And that's my point, you know, because if we're able to just sidestep the twin bullies 146 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:12,600 fair and pride for a minute and take it our own lives through the lenses of honesty and 147 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:16,360 integrity and through the spirit, we will see. 148 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:20,720 And if we do it through the lenses of integrity and honesty and through the spirit, then we 149 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,480 will then have a desire to make that which we have wronged. 150 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:25,480 Right. 151 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:30,000 And and Dave, there's going to be a lot of times when we just can't make those wrongs. 152 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:31,000 Right. 153 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:32,000 Yeah. 154 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:38,080 Well, and and Scott, the person that we've negatively hurt the most. 155 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:39,080 Yeah. 156 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:42,560 Is the individual who suffered for them. 157 00:12:42,560 --> 00:12:43,720 Yeah. 158 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:53,120 And the really important critical part of restitution and understanding sin and our role in in 159 00:12:53,120 --> 00:13:01,800 repenting and making restitution is is confessing the pain and the suffering we have caused 160 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:05,600 Jesus Christ, our savior and our Redeemer. 161 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:09,920 I mean, we hurt him every time we sin. 162 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,880 So there's restitution that needs to be made there as well. 163 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:13,880 It's a huge part. 164 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:14,880 Yeah. 165 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:15,880 Of what rest. 166 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:16,880 Maybe the biggest part. 167 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:19,000 Yeah, for sure. 168 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:26,960 So I know that again, an addiction recovery member, people who are not even members of 169 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:31,320 the church, restitution plays an important role in them. 170 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:34,600 I'm excited for you to share that with our listeners. 171 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:39,840 But it also as members of the church and the covenants that we've made when we break when 172 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:45,000 we break covenants and we sin, there must be there must be restitution. 173 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:51,120 And let me just say now early on for all of those who have been abused, who have been 174 00:13:51,120 --> 00:14:00,280 sexually or emotionally or physically or verbally or any other kind of abuse that that individuals 175 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:08,840 have suffered that number one, it's important to understand the ultimate victim was Jesus 176 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:18,320 Christ that he was hurt by all of that abuse to cumulatively. 177 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:26,280 And number two, that even though he paid for the sins that were committed against you, 178 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:36,600 us, all of us, that no individual gets off scotch free, that even though Jesus suffered 179 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:44,760 for the sin, that he paid the demands of the just of justice for all sin, that he covers 180 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:49,680 all sin, he suffered for the sins of the world. 181 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:55,880 That's some that's stated many times in the doctrine, covenants only once in the Bible, 182 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:59,200 but other places in the Book of Mormon, doctrine, covenants. 183 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:06,000 So even though he paid for all the sins of all the world, that met the demands of justice 184 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:09,560 that did not let others off the hook. 185 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:17,400 It did not mean they would not pay the consequences of their sins and that there would be punishment. 186 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:20,840 There will be punishment Alma chapter 42. 187 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,160 There must be punishment. 188 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:30,520 There must be consequences of sin in order for individuals to be able to complete the 189 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:37,360 process of repentance, then if an individual dies having committed terrible sins that he 190 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:46,840 was never convicted of by our laws, that individual will make restitution for that in the next 191 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:47,960 life. 192 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:54,640 Again, that's, we'll read that again from the book here in a moment. 193 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:59,080 So it's just really, I think important for all of us to understand that restitution cannot 194 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:00,920 be escaped. 195 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:02,640 It cannot just be ignored. 196 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:09,840 And even those who go to the celestial kingdom and elder Oaks taught this in last conference, 197 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:16,280 so that would be in October of 2023 that individuals who go to the celestial kingdom 198 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:18,800 will suffer for their sins. 199 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:26,080 Now that's not to pay for the sin, but they will suffer the consequences of their sins. 200 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,840 And then they'll go to the celestial kingdom. 201 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:33,120 They don't just go there, pass like the monopoly game. 202 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:38,240 You don't just go to jail, pass, go, don't collect $200. 203 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:46,360 No, there are consequences and there is punishment and restitution must be fulfilled before those 204 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:49,760 individuals go to the celestial kingdom, Scott. 205 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:59,920 So I, this is just such an important part of what repentance is, and I think all of us 206 00:16:59,920 --> 00:17:07,720 need to really consider as you invited us to do, you know, where am I at in this process? 207 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:09,320 Am I making restitution? 208 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:16,880 And even though, even though we cannot restore virtue, we can't restore life, we can't restore 209 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:25,320 emotional pain or trust lost or there's so many things we can't restore. 210 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:32,560 The truth is, Jesus Christ can and he becomes our creditor. 211 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:34,480 Jesus Christ can restore all things. 212 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:39,720 He had told them Jesus Christ suffered for all things and Jesus Christ becomes our creditor. 213 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:46,840 So important part of restitution is not on how we repay or we get back or we restore 214 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:54,240 this or that, but how can we pay back Jesus Christ? 215 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:59,880 How can our focus should be on after we've done everything that we can to restore what 216 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:01,720 was lost? 217 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:08,680 And even though we can't restore anymore, how can I repay Jesus Christ as my creditor? 218 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:14,760 This important part, I think, of discipleship and giving our whole souls and sins to him 219 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:22,400 is that we focus on how can we repay him. 220 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:30,800 So I think that's some of the ways in which we need to, how we need to see and live, really, 221 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:32,800 how we live restitution. 222 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:37,760 In fact, you used the term, as we were talking about this morning, what did you call it? 223 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:38,760 All that living amends. 224 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:41,120 Darrell Bock Living amends. 225 00:18:41,120 --> 00:18:42,620 That's restitution. 226 00:18:42,620 --> 00:18:43,620 What is that? 227 00:18:43,620 --> 00:18:49,960 When we think of sins, when we think of the things that we do to sin against God or against 228 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:55,840 others and I think about restitution, there's just certain things that I'll never be able 229 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:58,320 to restore to those that I've sinned. 230 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:02,880 And it's not because, again, not because I've been gone down a bad path. 231 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:04,280 It's because I'm human. 232 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:05,440 This is true for all of us. 233 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:06,840 There's just certain things that I've done. 234 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:07,840 Darrell Bock Absolutely. 235 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:08,840 John M. 236 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:15,000 That I've perpetrated against others unintentionally or intentionally that I'll just never be able 237 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:16,200 to restore. 238 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:19,760 No matter what I do, I can't restore it no matter what I do. 239 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:21,320 Darrell Bock True for all of us. 240 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:22,320 John M. 241 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:24,560 But he can and he's the creditor and he will restore that. 242 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:30,360 And so I have to remember that there are things that I can't do that for. 243 00:19:30,360 --> 00:19:36,400 So what I'm doing is paying the creditor, he who will and can restore them, I need to 244 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:38,280 align with him and that's through that. 245 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:41,280 Now there are certain things though. 246 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:44,120 We call it cash register honesty sometimes. 247 00:19:44,120 --> 00:19:50,440 So you know there are certain things where maybe I've stolen something or somebody has 248 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:55,800 created a situation in somebody's life that has created an equality or an inequity for 249 00:19:55,800 --> 00:20:00,400 them and there are things that I could do or one could do to pay that back. 250 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:01,920 They could make an amends with money. 251 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:03,560 They could make an amends with work. 252 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:08,320 They could make amends many, many, many different ways. 253 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:13,320 Well there are certain things and I'm living in amends to many people in my life because 254 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:16,800 there's just getting back to my first example. 255 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,360 You know I just wasn't a great dad all the time. 256 00:20:19,360 --> 00:20:22,880 And there are certain things that my kids are dealing with, certain characteristics 257 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:27,560 that they have in their lives that they have carried on because of me. 258 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:29,000 And that's true for all of us again. 259 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:30,000 Darrell Bock For sure. 260 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:31,000 John M. 261 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:32,000 But they are carrying it on because of me. 262 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:33,000 No matter. 263 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:34,000 They are carrying it on because of me. 264 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:35,000 They are carrying it on because of me. 265 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:36,000 And I'm living in amends and sins of their fathers. 266 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:37,000 Darrell Bock There's no matter what I do no matter how 267 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:43,520 much money I were to pay, no matter how I could set them up, it would never emotionally 268 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,080 heal that in and of itself. 269 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:53,160 And so and not only that, but how do I put a, how do I quantify the amount of damage 270 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:54,440 that was done on any of them? 271 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:57,720 So was Dakota, was his damage a hundred dollars? 272 00:20:57,720 --> 00:20:59,800 If I gave him a hundred dollars will he be okay? 273 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:01,040 And I know I'm being flippant here. 274 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:04,720 But the point is, and it was Kirby's five hundred dollars and do I need to pay her 275 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:05,840 five hundred dollars? 276 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,200 And with that there's no amount. 277 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:15,080 And so the only thing I can do today is to live my life like I should have then, like 278 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:19,960 I wish I would have then, and teach them how to also be that way with their children. 279 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:20,960 John M. 280 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:21,960 Yeah. 281 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:22,960 Help them to avoid it. 282 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:23,960 Darrell Bock That's a living amends. 283 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:24,960 John M. 284 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:31,480 I would say that restitution in, in, if you've robbed someone of their virtue, and there's 285 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:34,480 lots of different ways to do that. 286 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:41,920 If you've robbed someone of their virtue, then perhaps making amends or perhaps the principle 287 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:49,000 of restitution would be to try to help others not make the same mistake that you made. 288 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:54,200 I mean, maybe that's why I taught seminary and institutes, Scott. 289 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:59,280 Maybe I taught seminaries and institutes to try to make amends and try to make restitution 290 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,640 for, for my sins. 291 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:06,160 I think that all of us should be trying to help others. 292 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:13,440 I think ultimately in this life and in the life to come, that trying to help under, help 293 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:22,120 others to understand the love of God, the gift of his son, the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, 294 00:22:22,120 --> 00:22:29,600 his pain, his suffering, his atonement, that helping others to understand that is, is part 295 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:33,360 of what it means to make restitution. 296 00:22:33,360 --> 00:22:39,680 Helping others to feel the love of God and the love of the Savior is such an important 297 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,240 part of restitution. 298 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:47,800 So every day we should ask ourselves, just think, think how this would change your life. 299 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:55,800 How would change your repentance is to, how can I help others today to feel the love of 300 00:22:55,800 --> 00:23:00,600 God and the love of Jesus Christ? 301 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:05,720 That would be, that would change our intentional living. 302 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:13,560 Anyway, how can I increase someone's faith in Jesus Christ and his atonement? 303 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,360 That's rest, that's making restitution. 304 00:23:16,360 --> 00:23:18,920 How can I increase my faith? 305 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:25,000 Even increasing my faith in Jesus Christ and his atonement is a form of restitution. 306 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:31,240 Helping myself, anyway, that's what it means. 307 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:37,560 Think about a child or a person who has been abused as a child or whatever the case may 308 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:38,800 be. 309 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:46,600 And then, you know, they are just unable to, from their abuser, to receive any kind of 310 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:47,600 complete restoration. 311 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,440 It's just impossible. 312 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,960 And it was never intended for it to be that way. 313 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,880 Thus enters the atonement of Jesus Christ into our lives. 314 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:05,000 Where through his power, through his merits, through his sacrifice, through his blood spilt, 315 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:10,480 an extremely important component, in fact, the important component to this, through his 316 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:18,240 blood spilt, that person can be restored regardless of the efforts of the other. 317 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,560 Now, I know that that's not easy. 318 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:24,880 I know that there are people in my life that I love, people in your life that you love, 319 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:30,000 and people in each of our lives that we love, because this is just that permeating throughout 320 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:34,400 our entire society, that there are those who have been hurt by others. 321 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:41,720 And sometimes this pain can cause all kinds of separation from the spirit. 322 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:45,520 It can create all kinds of anxieties and depressions and many... 323 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,720 Well, it's like dropping a huge boulder in the middle of a lake. 324 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:49,720 And you just don't know. 325 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:50,720 No waves. 326 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,280 And you don't know how high they're going to be, and you don't know when they're going 327 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:54,280 to come up next. 328 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:55,280 It can be a tsunami. 329 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:56,280 Yeah. 330 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,760 And it just goes on and on and on. 331 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,080 Sometimes it can get bigger and bigger and bigger. 332 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:07,840 But the point I'm making here is that if I'm waiting for the person who has caused harm 333 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:16,000 to me to restore me, or if I'm waiting for their penalty to be sufficient... 334 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:17,000 Or their punishment. 335 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:21,720 ...to be sufficient for me, I may be seeing it the wrong way. 336 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:25,520 Well, your focus is on who? 337 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:26,520 On me. 338 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:27,520 On them. 339 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:28,520 You know? 340 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:29,520 Yeah. 341 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:30,520 And so I have... 342 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,000 I can't restore what was lost. 343 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,440 No, I have a horizontal focus. 344 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,080 My focus needs to be vertical. 345 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:41,560 I need to look to him for restoration against... 346 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:42,560 In all things. 347 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:47,360 So I need to look to him for restoration against my abuses, and I need to look for him for 348 00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:51,840 restoration against my abuses towards others. 349 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:52,840 Healing. 350 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:53,840 It's healing. 351 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:54,840 It's healing. 352 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:58,520 And only he can heal us. 353 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,120 But it is also important, Scott. 354 00:26:00,120 --> 00:26:07,560 I think for individuals who have been hurt, offended, abused by the sins of others, to 355 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:12,200 recognize and understand the justice of God. 356 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:13,240 Absolutely. 357 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:23,720 And that individuals, abusers, sinners, all of us are not going to just confess Jesus 358 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:25,760 and it's over. 359 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:31,840 We're not just going to die and it's over, that there will be a reckoning. 360 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,440 That's I think really critical. 361 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,080 We all understand that. 362 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:39,880 For myself, that I understand that for myself, there'll be a reckoning for my sins and a 363 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:44,680 restitution demanded from me. 364 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:48,640 And again, many different forms of that. 365 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:56,680 But that if we understood that, I think that it would be easier for us to let it go. 366 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,360 To let go and let God. 367 00:26:59,360 --> 00:27:02,280 Let God demand that. 368 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,640 Why do I have to demand that? 369 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:11,600 Again, I'm not discounting that the laws of men should be ignored. 370 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:20,440 And if crimes or acts of abuse are against the law, then we should get the law involved. 371 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,920 We should ignore that. 372 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:28,680 That there should be justice and that there should be payment and penalty for sins in 373 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,440 this life, civilly. 374 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,440 But there are so many. 375 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:40,760 Again, you can't put somebody in jail for the rest of their life and think that that 376 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,200 makes restitution for taking a life. 377 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:45,200 No. 378 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:46,200 That's punishment. 379 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,160 But God will. 380 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,600 There will be restitution. 381 00:27:52,600 --> 00:28:01,960 I don't, you know, the jails in the court system and the government laws that we have 382 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,520 only go to a certain point. 383 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:10,960 The justice of God will demand that there be a restitution made. 384 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:16,800 And again, I'm not talking about meeting the demands of the law of justice. 385 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:24,160 I'm talking about making restitution to the individuals who have been hurt or for the 386 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,760 for the damage done. 387 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:32,120 There will be restitution that is demanded and that is made. 388 00:28:32,120 --> 00:28:40,080 So we can't ignore this and think that it just goes away is when I confess and my sins 389 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:44,800 and love Jesus and think and say I'm sorry. 390 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,160 Restitution is so much more than just saying I'm sorry. 391 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:52,600 Now that may be a small part of it. 392 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,000 But it's so much deeper than that. 393 00:28:55,000 --> 00:29:02,040 It's how can I restore what was lost and the acknowledgement that I can't really restore 394 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:09,400 very much when it comes to serious sins and then Jesus's atonement has to kick in for 395 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:13,160 us and we realize that he suffered for it. 396 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:14,160 It's important. 397 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:20,680 I think for individuals who have been hurt, damaged by the sins of others to also also 398 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:27,600 have faith in the compensatory powers of the atonement of Jesus Christ that he will compensate 399 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:28,600 them. 400 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:34,720 Not only will he demand restitution from their offender, but that he will through the compensatory 401 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:39,600 powers of the atonement of Jesus Christ that he will compensate them that there will be 402 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:45,920 some things in their life where they receive greater mercy, grace and gifts from the experiences 403 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,440 that they've suffered innocently. 404 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:55,640 So anyway, understanding the atonement of Jesus Christ and the justice and mercy of 405 00:29:55,640 --> 00:30:00,840 God is an important part to understanding restitution. 406 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:08,000 I think the ultimate scripture for this Scott, since we really can't pay back very much is 407 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:14,760 to understand our indebtedness to the Lord Jesus Christ and to make him our creditor. 408 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:20,680 And this seems to be, I think on the Tuesday of the last week of his life, Scott, he saved 409 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,080 maybe his best parables. 410 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:27,280 I think these and these weren't produced just impromptu. 411 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:33,760 I think he'd been thinking about these parables, last three parables that he teaches on Tuesday. 412 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:39,000 I think he had prepared them in his entire ministry and saved them to the very last. 413 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,560 And maybe he taught them over and over again throughout his ministry. 414 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:48,640 But we have these these parables about the the talents and the 10 virgins and the sheep 415 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,080 and the goats. 416 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:55,560 This parable on the sheep and the goats, Scott, is really, I think, powerful in the way we 417 00:30:55,560 --> 00:31:01,480 should see restitution and really how we should how we should live our lives. 418 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:07,280 So why don't you read that for us, Matthew, Matthew 25, beginning with 31. 419 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:08,280 What 31? 420 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:09,720 Yeah, let's start in 31. 421 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,800 We'll go through 40. 422 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:16,200 When the Son of Man shall come in his glory and all the holy angels with him, he shall 423 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,200 sit upon the throne of his glory. 424 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:26,600 And before him shall be gathered all nations, and he shall separate them one from another 425 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:30,080 as a shepherd divided his sheep from the goats. 426 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:35,080 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand and the goats on his left. 427 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:40,360 Then shall the king say unto them, On this right hand come ye, blessed of my father, 428 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:45,640 inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 429 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,720 For I was unhungered and ye gave me meat. 430 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,920 I was thirsty and ye gave me drink. 431 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:55,440 I was a stranger and ye took me in, naked and ye clothed me, and I was sick and ye visited 432 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:56,440 me. 433 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,000 And I was in prison and ye came unto me. 434 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:05,000 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee unhungered and fed 435 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:06,000 thee? 436 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,720 Or thirsty and gave thee drink? 437 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:12,880 When saw we thee a stranger and took thee in, or naked and clothed thee? 438 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:17,400 Or when saw we thee sick, or imprisoned and came unto thee? 439 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:23,160 And the king shall answer and say unto them, Verily, I say unto you, In as much as ye have 440 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:28,440 done it unto the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. 441 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:33,840 When we serve each other, we serve him. 442 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,920 That's the only way, Scott. 443 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:37,160 We can't, we can't. 444 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:38,760 That's the only way we can. 445 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,960 And it's so sweet that that's how he sees it. 446 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,720 That's how he sees us repaying him is by blessing others. 447 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,000 Well, he gave us the perfect pattern of that. 448 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,720 His service to us is the perfect service. 449 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:57,160 He's asking us to come follow me, do what ye have seen me do. 450 00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:02,080 You know, when you think about, when I think about the temple and going to the temple to 451 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:09,640 serve others who cannot perform ordinances for themselves, I think of that vicarious 452 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:14,200 sacred service as being another form of restitution. 453 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:21,520 I'm trying to help save others because of the sins that I have, I have committed. 454 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:26,240 I think one of the great examples of it really in the scriptures is Alma the Younger. 455 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,080 Enos is also an example of it. 456 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,480 Enos, as soon as he gets forgiven of sins, what does he do? 457 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,480 Well he prays for his brethren. 458 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:34,480 And then what does he do? 459 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,240 Well, he prays for his enemies. 460 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:43,040 And then we have this, this classic example in Alma chapter 36 that after, after Alma 461 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:48,360 cries out, oh Jesus, the Son of God have mercy on me, who am in the gall of bitterness 462 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:52,200 and am circled about by the everlasting chains of death. 463 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,600 And he's forgiven of his sins, right? 464 00:33:54,600 --> 00:34:00,040 That's the heart of repentance right there when he cries out, oh Jesus. 465 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:01,800 But look at what he says. 466 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:03,600 Here's restitution. 467 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:08,760 You can see the whole process of repentance, I think, in the Alma chapter 36. 468 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,760 And here's restitution. 469 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:17,920 Today, this is verse 24, yeah, and from that time, even until now, I have labored without 470 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:27,280 ceasing that I might bring souls unto repentance, that I might bring them to taste of the exceeding 471 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:33,880 joy of which I did taste, that they might also be born of God and be filled with the 472 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,560 Holy Ghost. 473 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:44,240 That is an ultimate statement, an example of restitution, Scott. 474 00:34:44,240 --> 00:34:52,200 And until we all feel that, I'm not sure we can do much to make restitution. 475 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:58,160 So again, how would our lives change if that became our purpose? 476 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:06,000 Was to help others to feel the love of God and the exceeding joy and to receive the Holy 477 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,360 Ghost in their life. 478 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:13,200 Anyway, that's in the recovery room, Scott. 479 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:21,160 Talk about how it works and what you shared with me earlier before we started this about 480 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,480 how restitution works in recovery. 481 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:28,680 This part of recovery and part of the, this part of the recovery process, I guess I should 482 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,960 say, is so important. 483 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:37,840 This is the one, and there are probably others too, and I can say anecdotally, but after 25 484 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:42,760 years of observation, and it's never been different than this, I'm not sure that I should 485 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:43,920 use the word anecdotally. 486 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,240 I think this is just a fact. 487 00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:50,400 But it's my experience, and I don't speak in behalf of any recovery program or anything 488 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:51,400 like that. 489 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:56,360 However, there are a couple of steps in the 12 Steps of Alcoholics Anonymous, and when 490 00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:00,360 I say the 12 Steps of Alcoholics Anonymous, these are the same 12 steps that have been 491 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:05,720 adopted by virtually every other addiction recovery program, including the one from the 492 00:36:05,720 --> 00:36:08,240 church. 493 00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:13,160 Steps four and five, we've talked about those when we talked about confess and forsake, 494 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:19,520 because step four is made a list of all persons, no, step four is, is I took a seeking and 495 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:24,480 fearless moral inventory of myself, and I looked at everything in my life that was just 496 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,760 out of whack. 497 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:31,440 And then step five is, as I confess that I have this conversation, I get it off my chest, 498 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:36,520 I talk to somebody else, you know, in our tradition and in our faith, that could be 499 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:40,240 part of the confession process of repentance, but it doesn't have to be. 500 00:36:40,240 --> 00:36:43,720 You know, this is more than just confessing to repent. 501 00:36:43,720 --> 00:36:48,240 This is talking about a lot of stuff, a lot more than that. 502 00:36:48,240 --> 00:36:53,120 And I think I mentioned this last time when I did talk about that, that this is where, 503 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:59,160 in my experience of not just sponsoring others, but observing others who are being sponsored, 504 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:04,000 this is where when, if one gets tripped up, it's almost inevitable that they will again 505 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,680 drink or drug or whatever the case may be. 506 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:08,680 So that's form five. 507 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:10,240 And why is that, Scott? 508 00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:13,160 I mean, why does it drive them to drink if they don't complete these things? 509 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,520 Well, this is what we call untreated alcoholism. 510 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:21,040 This is what we call, you know, we could transfer that from a secular, we could transfer that. 511 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:22,400 Unrepentant sin. 512 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:26,520 We call this untreated, fallen life. 513 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,840 We treat our fallen life through what? 514 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,680 Untreated alcoholism is the same thing as unrepented sin. 515 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:33,680 100% accurate. 516 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:39,920 And so this untreated alcoholism, we treat alcoholism through the spirit, first three 517 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:45,400 steps by taking a personal inventory, cleaning up our side of the street and then helping 518 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:46,400 others. 519 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:50,200 And so, you know, as we clean up our side of the street, that's so important that it 520 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:54,640 includes four, five, six, seven, eight, nine. 521 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:55,640 Those are the same. 522 00:37:55,640 --> 00:38:01,280 Those six, those, yeah, six steps, half of the steps are involved in our claim on our 523 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:02,480 side of the street. 524 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:08,720 Well, if we don't, and then six and seven give us the ability through our faith and 525 00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:14,080 through our relationship to ask God to remove all of our defects of character. 526 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,280 And then we move into eight and nine and eight. 527 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,800 We make a list of all persons we had harmed. 528 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:25,400 We began to prepare, we begin the preparation process to make restitution, which we do in 529 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:26,400 nine. 530 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:34,320 In step nine, make restitution to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would 531 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:35,520 injure them and others. 532 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,240 And we don't make that decision on our own. 533 00:38:37,240 --> 00:38:38,240 We take that to God. 534 00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:41,960 We work that through a sponsor, et cetera, because I think I mentioned before that that 535 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:43,800 can be the loophole that others see. 536 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:45,480 Well, I don't want to hurt somebody else. 537 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:46,480 Yeah. 538 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,760 And use that as an excuse. 539 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:54,280 When, when, when I've had people that I've been associated with closely through that 540 00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:59,600 sponsor relationship or others that I've loved in recovery, which is everybody and, 541 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:05,960 and they struggle, it's oftentimes that there's not an eight and nine that's complete. 542 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:11,040 In fact, I'll ask, you know, if I, if I talk into somebody and they're new to me and in 543 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:16,280 a sponsor relationship and they're struggling with their ability to fill the spirit or their 544 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:22,080 ability to stay sober, I'll ask them, how's your form five or how's your eight and nine? 545 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:26,400 You know, the eight and nine in the nine is that restitution. 546 00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:32,560 And this is where I learned to David that I can't restore everything that was lost because 547 00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:33,560 of me. 548 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:34,560 Very little. 549 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,640 I just can't. 550 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:40,160 And this is where, and this is also I make the encouragement. 551 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,560 This is where I live a living immense. 552 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:48,600 Now if you'll remember a few weeks ago when we had Nick on as we did the interview and 553 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:55,280 we asked him, so Nick, when did you begin to really, and I'm paraphrasing, but he said 554 00:39:55,280 --> 00:40:01,880 that he really began to fill the spirit at work in his life when he began the immense 555 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:02,880 process. 556 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:03,880 Yeah. 557 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:04,880 Right. 558 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:05,960 It's not important. 559 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:07,400 It's just that important. 560 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:13,080 If we have one skips it or doesn't give it an all out effort, the best effort that we 561 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:17,760 are available to give in the given moment, and it may be never perfect, but if we don't 562 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:24,760 give our best effort in that moment that we're able to give, we're likely not to stay sober. 563 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:30,000 Well, a man says one part of it, but I know that another part of restitution in their 564 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,200 addiction recovery program is to serve others. 565 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,160 Well, and what steps that will end. 566 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,640 So that's the third part, right? 567 00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:43,200 Take inventory, clean house, help others, serve others, and so that's that's that's 1011 and 568 00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:44,200 12. 569 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:45,200 So we've gone through eight and nine. 570 00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:49,000 Now 10 is I take personal inventory when I'm wrong personally admit it. 571 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,840 Where am I mostly wrong in my relationships with others? 572 00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:53,840 So I need to promptly admit that. 573 00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:59,480 And then 11 is sought through prayer and meditation to maintain a conscious contact with God with 574 00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:00,800 Heavenly Father. 575 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:09,120 And then 12 is the crowning jewel of all of the steps is that we continue to help others. 576 00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:10,120 Give back. 577 00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:11,120 We have to. 578 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,880 That is so restitution such a huge part of addiction recovery. 579 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:19,520 And it's such a huge part of repentance and your life's got I think is an amazing example 580 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:20,520 of that. 581 00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:26,200 You know, and I think I've heard you say so I don't want to put words in your mouth. 582 00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:31,240 I think you've told me that you know that that your service I mean how many groups you 583 00:41:31,240 --> 00:41:37,920 have spoken to how many people you have sponsored has probably kept you sober. 584 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:39,080 There's no doubt. 585 00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:40,080 There's no question. 586 00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,960 In fact, I tell people and you know, and I and I say it somewhat flippantly. 587 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:45,840 I mean it a little bit. 588 00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,920 But even my spot, you know, people will I'll have a sponsor who's struggling and I'll maybe 589 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,960 somebody will hear about and they'll say I'll bet that each you up and I and it does, you 590 00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:59,560 know, because I love them, but I have to remember I'm doing this for me, you know, from a selfish 591 00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:00,560 standpoint. 592 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,720 I'm not going to stay sober if I don't help somebody else stay sober. 593 00:42:03,720 --> 00:42:08,200 That was the first thing that Bill and Bob found it out. 594 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:09,560 That's the first thing they realized. 595 00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:13,040 That's how Bill got sober was helping Bob get sober. 596 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:17,400 And that was there's just no possible way we can do it without the help from each other. 597 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:22,520 That transfers also to our spiritual and our religious experience, David. 598 00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:23,520 For sure. 599 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,440 I mean, we think about ministering in the church, right? 600 00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,000 And ministering in the church. 601 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:34,440 There's no different is a form of restitution is it's a form of service for sure. 602 00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:43,960 But but I I think we just do not understand the power of ministering and serving others 603 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,640 and the blessings that come back to us. 604 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:56,960 And we I don't think see it as we should that it is part of our making restitution of making 605 00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,760 amends and of serving. 606 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,560 So all of that is is an important part. 607 00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,080 I think of restitution, Scott. 608 00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,640 I think it's just really critical. 609 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:16,200 Number one kind of review here that we understand that Jesus Christ is the punishment. 610 00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,120 He is the penalty. 611 00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:24,960 He is the payment and he is the propitiation of all sin. 612 00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:25,960 Period. 613 00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,880 All sin. 614 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:36,720 We can't pay back one millionth of one percent of any sin we commit. 615 00:43:36,720 --> 00:43:44,680 Jesus paid for all of it for all sin for all the sins of all the world. 616 00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:48,600 He is all of that. 617 00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:58,960 Our responsibility, which God takes seriously is that we grow, we progress, we repent, we 618 00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:06,160 receive mercy, we receive grace, we receive redemption, enabling power, compensatory powers 619 00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:16,040 in our life by seeking to serve others, making restitution, making amends. 620 00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:24,440 That is such a critical part of what we really mean when we say repent. 621 00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:32,360 And more than more than it being the core of repentance, it reveals our repentance. 622 00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,440 It reveals our sincerity. 623 00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:39,160 It reveals our faith. 624 00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,000 It reveals our recognition. 625 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:46,080 It reveals everything else that has to do with repentance. 626 00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:56,880 And so I think restitution is not very well understood about the critical nature of it 627 00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:00,400 when it comes to our repenting. 628 00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,840 And I just testified to all of our listeners. 629 00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:11,480 What a blessing it can be in all of our lives if we would just daily try to consider how 630 00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:19,120 can I help somebody today feel love and become instruments in the hands of God in trying 631 00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:31,320 to help others knowing that this is our best efforts to try to be ambassadors, representatives 632 00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:41,320 of the Lord Jesus Christ and by doing so trying to help pay back what was lost as the result 633 00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,600 of our sins. 634 00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:47,960 For me, it's really important that we understand just like we have with the others that we've 635 00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,920 talked about when we talk about the manifestations of repentance. 636 00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:55,320 When we talked about confession and forsaking, it's the same as restitution. 637 00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,840 It is not repentance. 638 00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,600 Restitution is not in and of itself repentance. 639 00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:05,800 It's a manifestation that we are repenting for sure. 640 00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:10,120 But just because somebody were to pay back something they stole, that's not necessarily 641 00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,560 repentance in and of itself. 642 00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:16,480 How many people go to jail pay a price and they've never repented? 643 00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:17,480 That's exactly. 644 00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,400 And so we need to make sure that we're understanding this. 645 00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:26,600 It's easy for us because it's measurable for us to think, well, I confessed I've repented. 646 00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:27,600 Well, I have forsaken. 647 00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:28,600 Well, I've repented. 648 00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,480 Well, I have made restitution. 649 00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:31,480 I have repented. 650 00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,360 That's that may or may not be the case. 651 00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:37,600 And in most cases, if that's the focus, it's probably not repentance. 652 00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:46,040 The focus must always, always be on he who merited our ability to be forgiven, to be 653 00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:51,640 restored, to have all of the compensatory blessings, the enabling blessings in all others 654 00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:53,040 that are available to us. 655 00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,960 Jesus Christ's power through his Atonement. 656 00:46:55,960 --> 00:47:00,480 And it's when we access that through a broken heart and a contract spirit, spirit evidence 657 00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:06,120 by our crying out and asking him, please, Father, take me, you know, that crying unto 658 00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:10,680 Christ as Elder Anderson puts it into in the book, that's repentance. 659 00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:12,920 These are manifestations. 660 00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:16,600 May these manifestations manifest themselves in our own lives too. 661 00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,080 You know, that's that's my that's my hope. 662 00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:20,080 Yeah. 663 00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:21,080 Well said, Scott. 664 00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,080 That's that's the essence of it. 665 00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:24,080 Thank you. 666 00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:25,320 Thanks for being with us, everybody. 667 00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,360 I look forward to being with you again next week. 668 00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:55,880 And until then, be well.