1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:21,400 Hey there everybody, welcome back to another episode of Redeem Through His Blood. 2 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:23,440 I got David Durfey with me here. 3 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:24,440 This is Scott Durfey. 4 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:26,400 Oh, so good to be here. 5 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:29,040 We've been having a pretty fun discussion already. 6 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:31,280 Yeah, we have. 7 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:35,320 About all that we're going to be getting into today. 8 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:36,320 Pretty excited about that. 9 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:37,320 Before I do that. 10 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:43,880 I'm a little jealous because you're teaching an institute class tonight at BYU and so fun, 11 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:44,880 Scott. 12 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:48,160 I kind of miss that the teaching and so awesome you're having that experience. 13 00:00:48,160 --> 00:00:50,200 Yeah, I bet you do. 14 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:53,640 I know that and I hope this never comes to an end for us. 15 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:57,080 I know that it has to at some point, but I know I'll miss it. 16 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:59,320 I miss it between classes. 17 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:01,040 We only teach once a week. 18 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:03,200 You know, you were teaching every day. 19 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:04,520 We only teach once a week. 20 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:05,800 You did it professionally. 21 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:11,200 We're doing it as a calling and man, I can only imagine the interest really. 22 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:13,880 Yeah, it was a blessing in my life. 23 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:14,880 Wonderful. 24 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:19,280 You know, maybe the biggest part, it's hard to say, but one of the big parts of this for 25 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:23,720 Deb and I is to just be among the faithful young adults. 26 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:25,400 Oh man, aren't they great? 27 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:27,200 Yeah, it's just unbelievable. 28 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:31,840 The rising generation has so many problems, but they are so good. 29 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:33,120 And they want amazing. 30 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,920 The ones that are are the faithful are just holy. 31 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:37,920 So faithful. 32 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:42,000 How did you get to this point at such a young age in your life? 33 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:47,160 And I know a lot of it is preparation and a lot of it's their wonderful parents, but 34 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:51,960 they just seem to have a desire to do what they were pre-mortal. 35 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:52,960 Right. 36 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:53,960 Yeah. 37 00:01:53,960 --> 00:02:02,040 And the Heavenly Father is sending down reserving, reserving spirits to come down in this generation 38 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:09,680 to prepare the earth and the final scenes before preceding the second coming of Jesus. 39 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:18,000 I I feel that profoundly when I give patriarchal blessings that this rising generation of youth 40 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:24,320 or the generation that will usher in the second coming and I I know what others have felt 41 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:29,240 that, but I feel that really, really strongly as a patriarch. 42 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:30,240 Yeah. 43 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:35,080 Well, what I was going to say is we just appreciate a lot. 44 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:40,400 The most recent and all actually of the emails that we've gotten. 45 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,360 We've gotten some great emails, Dave. 46 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:48,640 As you know, talk to you just recently, we received an email from a member of the Bishop 47 00:02:48,640 --> 00:02:51,360 Rick in Lethbridge, Alberta, Canada. 48 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:55,520 I actually had a missionary companion from Lethbridge, Alberta, Canada. 49 00:02:55,520 --> 00:03:00,320 But he listens to us while he's in the gym working out. 50 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:04,480 He said that his workouts have been never better. 51 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:08,920 And he had just I don't know about the workout, but he definitely enjoys listening to the 52 00:03:08,920 --> 00:03:09,920 podcast there. 53 00:03:09,920 --> 00:03:10,920 We appreciate that. 54 00:03:10,920 --> 00:03:14,600 We appreciate all the encouragement that we get from you all and and just encourage you 55 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:20,080 to if you have questions, please don't hesitate to send those in again. 56 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:28,680 And we just got a thank you email from Jeff and Jeff, we appreciate your your email as 57 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:29,680 well. 58 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:34,600 You can reach us at he redeems us at gmail.com and invite you to do that if you have questions 59 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:35,800 and so forth. 60 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:39,440 So last week, Dave, we talked a lot about confession. 61 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:45,000 In fact, we talked the entire podcast about confession of sins as part of the manifestations, 62 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:46,000 right? 63 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:47,000 Right. 64 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,520 Of repentance and we'll be moving today. 65 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,640 We'll probably talk just a little bit more about some confession, maybe do a little review 66 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:54,800 and recap on that. 67 00:03:54,800 --> 00:04:00,640 But then we're going to move directly into another the next, if as it were, manifestation 68 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:06,320 in no particular order, but the next as it were, manifestation of repentance, which is 69 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:09,920 to forsake, confess and forsake, they go together. 70 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:13,280 Well, it's interesting how the Lord put those two together. 71 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:20,440 You know, in the in the words of the Lord, by this, you may know if a man repenteth of 72 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:26,400 his sins, he will confess them and forsake them. 73 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:27,400 It's just interesting. 74 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:33,560 It's always been fascinating to me that the Lord puts those two right together as almost 75 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:40,080 a pair like their, their cousins or sisters or whatever in the repentance process that 76 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:47,200 they're connected by this, you may know if a man, woman, child, anybody who's repenting 77 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:50,680 by this, you may know if they repented of their sins. 78 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:54,280 They'll confess them and forsake them. 79 00:04:54,280 --> 00:05:00,600 These are almost signs that confessing and forsaking are an important prop part of the 80 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:05,960 process of repentance, Scott, but they're the way he words it. 81 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:12,560 This is how you'll know that they have repented, that they repenteth, that they're in the middle 82 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:17,680 of the process or near the end of the process or somewhere into the process. 83 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:23,440 I know that for some, that's maybe the beginning of the process for some, for some youth, they 84 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:28,840 feel like repentance, the beginning, middle and end is confessing to their bishop, which 85 00:05:28,840 --> 00:05:36,680 is, is too bad that that still gets that idea gets perpetuated in the church when we talk 86 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:39,480 of repentance. 87 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:48,000 But I prefer to see that confession and forsaking is more near the end of the process, hopefully, 88 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:54,680 and that it's a manifestation that I am repenting or that I have actually repented. 89 00:05:54,680 --> 00:06:01,640 I, I, I just think I don't want to, it's impossible to overstate Scott, and yet at the same time 90 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:10,760 I don't want to oversimplify, but the heart of repentance is crying out to God, period. 91 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:19,160 Crying out to God in the name of Jesus Christ in faith, in Christ in his atonement, offering 92 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:27,160 all of our sins, offering our whole souls to God, that is the essence, the heart, the 93 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:36,160 center of repentance and confessing and forsaking are an important part of the process, but 94 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:40,080 they are not the essence. 95 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:45,720 And it's just unfortunate that too many people believe that when they confess their sins, 96 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:50,840 but that's it and they can't ever, it's, it's interesting that they wonder why they don't 97 00:06:50,840 --> 00:06:53,080 feel forgiven. 98 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:57,720 And there are so many people who don't feel forgiven because they haven't been forgiven. 99 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,440 They've never really cried out. 100 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:02,680 They've never really cried out in faith. 101 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:09,760 They've never really offered their whole souls, all of their sins, paid the price or made 102 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:16,200 the sacrifice, required, done the work, done the work to be forgiven. 103 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,760 I, I know that so many people get hung up on the scripture. 104 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:23,240 You're saved by grace after all you can do. 105 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:29,240 After all you can do, take some effort and in my interpretation of that scripture, after 106 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:37,760 all we can do, I love the, it's a we and not a you, after all we can do is to cry out to 107 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:45,560 God in faith knowing that it is only through the grace and mercy of Christ that we are 108 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:46,560 saved. 109 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:52,120 But that's a work of a different kind than most people think of working out their repentance. 110 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:57,400 Most people think of working out their repentance is to try to pay back what was lost. 111 00:07:57,400 --> 00:07:59,400 And I'm not, that's also an important part. 112 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:01,120 That's called restitution. 113 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:05,360 And I think that's our podcast for next week or the week after is we'll get into restitution 114 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:06,360 what that means. 115 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:12,880 But so many people think working out their repentance is they have to earn it. 116 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,680 It's not about earning it. 117 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:18,360 We're not talking about that kind of work. 118 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:24,640 It is, it takes great effort and it takes great work, but it work of a different kind. 119 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:28,080 Thinking, thinking about a Miller and the way he describes this. 120 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:35,400 It takes a work of a different kind to put all of your, all of your sins on the altar. 121 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:36,840 That takes work. 122 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:43,320 It's a work of a different kind to really exercise your faith in Jesus Christ and his 123 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:44,400 Atonement. 124 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:45,400 That takes work. 125 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:52,360 That is not, that is not necessarily an easy thing to do, even though it's simple. 126 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,040 It's not easy. 127 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:57,920 So I don't, I don't want to overstate. 128 00:08:57,920 --> 00:08:59,560 Well it's impossible for me to overstate. 129 00:08:59,560 --> 00:09:07,240 I don't want to oversimplify repentance, but the essence, the heart of it is crying out 130 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:11,760 and offering all of your sins and your soul to God. 131 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:16,360 And then confessing is an important part and we talked about that last week. 132 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:19,880 There is just kind of a couple of things I want to mention this. 133 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:23,600 Hey, before you do that, let me just stop you for just a second because crying out is 134 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:24,600 important. 135 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:28,440 But you said earlier too that and we need to make sure that we include this crying out 136 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:30,560 in faith, that faith component. 137 00:09:30,560 --> 00:09:31,760 That's the power. 138 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:33,800 Crying out without faith is just crying. 139 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:34,800 Exactly. 140 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:35,800 Right. 141 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:36,800 Yeah. 142 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:38,040 And such a good point Scott. 143 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,360 Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. 144 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:42,480 Faith unto repentance. 145 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:44,040 Faith in his name eventually. 146 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:47,960 And so all of that is extremely important component of that. 147 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:48,960 That's the power. 148 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:49,960 Yeah. 149 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:50,960 Without that it's non-existent. 150 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:52,600 There's no power in repentance. 151 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:54,960 There's actually no power in crying out. 152 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:57,480 The power comes when it's done in faith. 153 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:00,520 In Jesus Christ and his atonement. 154 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:03,680 And sometimes just a tiny bit of faith is all that's needed. 155 00:10:03,680 --> 00:10:07,320 Not just believing in him, but believing him. 156 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:12,200 Believing that he will save, that he will redeem, that he will forgive, that he's anxious 157 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:13,760 to do all those things. 158 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:16,000 And yeah, so thank you. 159 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,400 That's really great. 160 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:26,080 So it's interesting that the Lord again in 58, Dr. Encounters 58, 42 and 43 links confession 161 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:27,720 and forsaking. 162 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:36,000 And I want to read something from Elder Anderson's book, The Divine Gift of Forgiveness. 163 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:45,360 This point came up when we were in our discussions and preparations and everything for helping 164 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:48,040 him to write the book. 165 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:52,440 And I just kind of love a few things in the book about this. 166 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:59,160 Because actually this chapter, this is actually, and we put them together in the book, it's 167 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:00,160 chapter 19. 168 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,760 It's actually on page 210. 169 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:08,280 Willingly confessing and purposefully forsaking sin. 170 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:17,360 And he wrote, once we have truly left the sin behind, we do not dwell on it. 171 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:22,760 Worship it, or talk about it widely with others. 172 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:36,040 While you may desire to warn others of sins you have overcome, this can lead to the spreading 173 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:44,920 of inappropriate gossip or bringing unwelcome scenes into unsuspecting minds and spiritually 174 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:49,240 hurting the very people you want to help. 175 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:52,880 We have to be so careful, Scott. 176 00:11:52,880 --> 00:12:01,320 Youth, adults, everyone should be so careful confessing their sins, confessing their mistakes, 177 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:02,520 confessing their wrongs. 178 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:12,240 I'm maybe too sensitized, super sensitized by that, because I know so many people who 179 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:19,360 have been hurt by people confessing their sins in inappropriate ways, at inappropriate 180 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:23,360 times, to the inappropriate individuals. 181 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:31,360 I've had so many young people in my office crying because an engagement was broken, because 182 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:37,680 they felt they could trust their fiancee and share with them a sin in the past that they 183 00:12:37,680 --> 00:12:44,600 had been repented of and forgiven of years ago, that happened even before their mission, 184 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,440 but an engagement is broken because of that. 185 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:56,760 I've had couples in my office as a bishop crying about getting a divorce because of them 186 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:05,280 sharing a sin in their past, and then every time, every time there was any intimacy in 187 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:13,960 that relationship, one of the spouses would think about that and it drove them crazy and 188 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:18,960 it drove them to want to be separated or divorced. 189 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:28,600 It is just wrong, Scott, to keep bringing up sins of the past, and it may be a manifestation 190 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:39,200 that someone does not feel forgiven, either from a lack of wisdom and a ton of foolishness, 191 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:51,120 or a lack of not feeling forgiven causes a lot of pain and damage to either the individual 192 00:13:51,120 --> 00:14:00,640 confessing sins of the past, or it can conflict real pain and sometimes scars on others who 193 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:03,880 are hearing the confession. 194 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:09,120 I even felt sensitized last Sunday. 195 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:14,080 Many of my family were over at my house and I don't know how it got started. 196 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:20,760 I don't know how this got started, but I was talking about my high school days and my grandchildren 197 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:23,400 were laughing their head off. 198 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:27,360 I got thinking about it and I thought, maybe I shouldn't have told them about some of the 199 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:28,360 pranks. 200 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:32,600 Maybe I shouldn't have told them about some of the pranks I did when I was in high school. 201 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:34,960 Now, are they going to go try that? 202 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:39,760 They think it's really funny and cute and are they going to go try that too? 203 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:42,080 I actually felt really bad about that. 204 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:46,960 The next time I see my grandkids or I'm with them, maybe I shouldn't even wait. 205 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:53,240 I better text them and say, hey, listen, I have a lot of regrets about that. 206 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,840 I'm sorry that I even brought it up. 207 00:14:55,840 --> 00:15:03,480 Because sometimes it's not just our sins, but it's just our inappropriate behaviors 208 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:05,000 or anything. 209 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:09,680 We just have to be careful about that because if we share things with other people that 210 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:15,960 it's not uplifting, that it's not edifying, that causes them to think negative thoughts 211 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:24,000 about ourselves or about themselves or about others or about the world or about whatever, 212 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:27,320 then maybe we should just keep our mouths shut. 213 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:34,160 I know that there are those in the world, in my kind of circle of influence, for example, 214 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:39,320 in the rooms of recovery, people who have drank or used drugs or done inappropriate 215 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:44,640 things and they thought that they could do it with impunity because they have seen others 216 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:48,520 in their lives do it and then come back from it. 217 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:52,960 I would be lying if I said there wasn't part of that in my story because there was part 218 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:56,880 of that in my story. 219 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:02,720 The confessing to other people, I think it depends, David, on the spirit in which it's 220 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:03,720 done. 221 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:08,120 I think that there can be a time, and I'll share a couple of examples. 222 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:09,120 Spirit and motive. 223 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:10,120 And motive. 224 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:14,600 I can share with you a couple of times potentially when this has been the case. 225 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:20,060 When moved upon the body of the spirit, sharing our experience, but then our strength and 226 00:16:20,060 --> 00:16:25,000 hope with it, and that's kind of the mode that we use in rooms of recovery. 227 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:29,040 It's okay to share your experience, but also share your strength and your hope when moved 228 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:32,640 upon to do so by the spirit to help other people. 229 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:35,240 But there can become a real problem with it too. 230 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:40,520 We were talking a little bit earlier, and I shared this, that in meetings of alcoholics 231 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:45,240 anonymous, now I realize, and there's probably people from all over the world who are attending 232 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:49,800 these types of recovery meetings, and I know that it's different everywhere we go to a 233 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:50,800 degree. 234 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:51,800 Sure. 235 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:55,960 But by my observation, I've noticed that if I'm in a meeting of alcoholics anonymous, 236 00:16:55,960 --> 00:17:02,080 now I believe that, and this is my belief, this is not from AA, I don't represent anybody, 237 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:06,520 but the way I see it and the way I think it works better is if we're in a meeting, that 238 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:09,000 meeting we focus on the solution. 239 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:13,080 If I'm in a meeting and people are talking about, this is what I did, and this is what 240 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:19,240 I did, and it's human nature, but I think those of us who are recovering addicts and 241 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:22,960 alcoholics may tend to be a little more swayed this way. 242 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:27,800 But oh yeah, that's how it was for you, well you should see how bad it was for me. 243 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:28,800 Then they share that. 244 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:29,880 One upmanship. 245 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:33,960 And then that one upmanship just snowballs and then becomes embellishing and then it 246 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:39,320 just becomes a real drag on the spirit and we're just not focusing on solution, we're 247 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:40,440 focusing on the problem. 248 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,320 We don't get well by focusing on the problem. 249 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:46,480 We get well by focusing on the solution, Jesus Christ. 250 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:47,960 Yeah, I love that. 251 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:56,440 On the solution and we should focus more on the individuals who we are with and maybe 252 00:17:56,440 --> 00:18:03,120 think about how is this going to affect them, not about how is this going to affect me. 253 00:18:03,120 --> 00:18:11,600 For example, I think a lot of spewing of past sins is something of a relief mechanism. 254 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:21,120 Or some people weirdly receive some euphoria or some release of guilt or something by confessing 255 00:18:21,120 --> 00:18:27,360 their sins or sin over and over and over again. 256 00:18:27,360 --> 00:18:32,280 And I think that that relief euphoria that you're talking about, it's counterfeit though. 257 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:33,280 For sure it is. 258 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:39,760 If it's done and that's potentially why we feel that inspired or an inspired certainly 259 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:47,760 not the word, but motivation to continue to share that over and over and over again because 260 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:50,600 we get that relief potentially in that moment. 261 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,720 But it's counterfeit so it won't stay away. 262 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:54,720 Right? 263 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:55,720 Right. 264 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:59,920 But if it's real then and we really do confess and then eventually as we get into here in 265 00:18:59,920 --> 00:19:06,000 a minute, the forsaking of our sins, then it will with more ease doesn't always completely 266 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:11,800 stay away, but it will stay away better if we take if we take that approach. 267 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:17,880 Yeah, I some people confess to the bishop, the stake president, their parents, their 268 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:24,240 friends, spouse, their friends, their associates and never get around to fessing confessing 269 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,000 to God. 270 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,760 They're in place the problem. 271 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:35,440 And until they do that, I and maybe I I think some people that confess over and over again 272 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:37,920 do it to to kind of compare. 273 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:39,600 It's almost like let's compare. 274 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:40,600 Right. 275 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:43,520 You know, uh, compare our sins. 276 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:45,880 Let's uh, have you done this? 277 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,480 You know, we I think we talked about that last week. 278 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:52,280 Um, have you ever done this? 279 00:19:52,280 --> 00:20:00,960 And I just so that's just so damning, so foolish, so bad to get in those situations where where 280 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:02,720 they're sharing. 281 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:08,040 Well and we said a minute ago, pass that are that are that are negative, that are not inspiring, 282 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:09,040 that are not uplifting. 283 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,520 A minute ago, we said it depends on our motive. 284 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:15,320 There is no proper motive when it comes to comparison. 285 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:20,080 You know, even if I'm looking for, okay, I'm looking to see that I'm not as good or I'm 286 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:23,520 looking to see that I'm worse, either one or that I'm better. 287 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:25,800 Either one of those is an improper motive. 288 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:28,360 There's two sides that comparison. 289 00:20:28,360 --> 00:20:32,160 Either shaming ourselves or shaming others. 290 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:33,800 Yeah, shaming others. 291 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:35,800 Leads to shaming others to lift ourselves. 292 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:36,800 Yeah. 293 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:43,640 Comparison is who said this in in conference and who said I think it was theodore. 294 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:44,640 No, not theodore. 295 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:51,720 Eleanor Roosevelt that said the comparison is the thief thief of joy every time. 296 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:52,720 Yep. 297 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,880 Elder Maxwell said this is in the Elder Anderson's book. 298 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,960 One of one of my favorite quotes in the book. 299 00:20:59,960 --> 00:21:06,320 Elder Neil a max Maxwell said confessing AIDS for saking. 300 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:14,160 We cannot expect to sin publicly and extensively and then expect to be rescued privately and 301 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,080 quickly. 302 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:22,360 When we face those we have heard, especially those we love, although it is a painful experience, 303 00:21:22,360 --> 00:21:27,960 it can be a great help in giving us a strength not to repeat the sins of the past. 304 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:34,160 So there are times when we're talking about certain serious sins where we need to go to 305 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:40,880 individuals and we need to understand that that the courage to confess those sins, those 306 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:47,480 individuals who we have heard can actually aid us in the forsaking of those sins. 307 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:56,160 And it's definitely true that that's the case when we confess our sins to God because we 308 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,560 have hurt Jesus Christ. 309 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:05,880 So the ultimate I think the ultimate reason to confess sins to God is to with a broken 310 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:11,720 heart and contrite spirit confess the pain and the suffering and the blood that we have 311 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:16,600 cost his only begotten son in the flesh. 312 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:24,000 What we cost our savior and redeemer to recognize that and to confess that to him. 313 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:30,720 Scott will really help us if we understand what we have cost him. 314 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:34,880 It will really help us in the forsaking of any of our sins. 315 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:40,240 So I just wanted to kind of make that connection between confessing and forsaking before we 316 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,120 go into any more depth of forsaking. 317 00:22:42,120 --> 00:22:43,280 One more thought that I have. 318 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:48,400 You said just a second ago that confessing to others can aid us in our repentance process. 319 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:53,720 It can if it's done to the appropriate people at the appropriate time in the appropriate 320 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:54,720 way. 321 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:56,040 The opposite is also true. 322 00:22:56,040 --> 00:23:01,840 If we're not willing to confess to others that we have hurt in the appropriate time and 323 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:06,320 in the appropriate way if we're not willing then repentance cannot be achieved. 324 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:07,320 Yes. 325 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:18,200 We're absolutely confessing confessing is important and it can aid us in the forsaking of sin. 326 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:24,720 So that's why again I think it's really interesting the Lord puts them together. 327 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:30,560 By this you may know they'll confess it and forsake it and those those two things go together 328 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:36,080 and forsaking it can also mean they won't bring it up again. 329 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:42,240 They won't like me when I was a young missionary trying to confess my sins over and over and 330 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,560 over again. 331 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:48,040 You should confess it and then let it go. 332 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:49,760 Confess it and forsake it. 333 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:51,840 Meaning let it go. 334 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:55,000 Quit confessing it to everybody. 335 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:56,000 Let it go. 336 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,000 Okay. 337 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,880 So Dave I think before we move to forsake we probably need to unpack something about 338 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:06,680 that because you know let's talk about why do you think that it is that often many of 339 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,120 us feel like that that's important to do. 340 00:24:09,120 --> 00:24:13,120 Why do you feel like we need to we feel like we need to continue to confess? 341 00:24:13,120 --> 00:24:18,200 I well that's a great question important question and I think there's a lot of different reasons 342 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:24,960 Scott over the years I've observed but and I know it's not this simple but I think in 343 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,120 most cases there's some truth to it. 344 00:24:28,120 --> 00:24:33,080 One reason people keep confessing their sins over and over again and sometimes it may even 345 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:42,400 be to the appropriate priesthood authorities or to whoever is because they don't feel forgiven 346 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:47,880 and they just keep beating themselves up and they're just looking for help. 347 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:53,960 I mean I think it's as it can be a psychological mechanism to confess your sins the euphoria 348 00:24:53,960 --> 00:25:00,440 and everything that it causes and I I know this isn't true in every case I know that 349 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:08,200 but those who keep confessing their sins are usually those who have not recognized that 350 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:14,880 they have been forgiven because it's been my personal experience and my experience working 351 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:22,640 with so many others that once they feel forgiven or once they have been able to recognize the 352 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:31,080 love mercy and grace of God in their life and they have been able to forgive themselves 353 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,000 they don't want to bring it up. 354 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:34,200 That's key. 355 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:35,200 It's over. 356 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:36,200 Yeah it's done. 357 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:37,200 It's in the past. 358 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:38,800 I don't want to talk about that. 359 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,400 I really don't want to talk about that. 360 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:46,640 And if anybody asked me have you done that I would say I don't want to talk about that. 361 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:54,480 I know the power of Christ I know the power that I have received in my life through repentance 362 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:59,240 and through his atonement and I don't want to talk about that. 363 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:06,880 I mean it's that's I think the reason why most people can't let it go is because they 364 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:12,280 really don't feel like they've been forgiven or they haven't been able to forgive themselves. 365 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:17,480 We had that experience recently you know kind of in an experience we shared together right? 366 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:26,240 Somebody feeling so bad and expressing it in an interesting way and I think it was mostly 367 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:31,280 because that individual had not really forgiven themselves. 368 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:36,320 I think that's true for all of us God I know it's not just it's true for you for me for 369 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:37,320 everybody. 370 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:41,560 Yeah and I don't think any of us are completely immune to this. 371 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:45,840 This isn't something that you know you even just said you know sharing stuff about high 372 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:50,880 school you know and then now having to have a regret around that. 373 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:56,200 And so you know it's not this isn't something that is like gang if we're doing this then 374 00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:02,000 we're going to hell but this is a can be a manifestation of that repentance process. 375 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,440 It is a manifestation of the repentance process. 376 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:08,960 Well we are at this point in the repentance process after we've already been to the garden 377 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:13,720 after we've already been to the cross after we've already understood that it's through 378 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:20,120 His merits not ours that we are forgiven and that we are cleansed from our sins and from 379 00:27:20,120 --> 00:27:22,520 all of the effects of the fall. 380 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:27,720 And so if we have that faith faith in just faith and then faith in Jesus Christ and then 381 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:33,160 faith unto repentance that faith if we've gotten to the point where we're at faith unto repentance 382 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:39,000 and we really do have faith unto repentance I think that alleviates us of the burden of 383 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,840 having to confess over and over and over again. 384 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,160 Yeah because it really is a burden. 385 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:46,160 Yeah. 386 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:51,480 I this one sentence in the book is I think really powerful. 387 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:59,800 Focus on the healing power of Jesus Christ and His Atonement not on yours or others past 388 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,120 sins. 389 00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:06,000 We're focusing on again the solution. 390 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,000 Yeah. 391 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,440 Okay. 392 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,720 So I that's that's an important discussion. 393 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:18,720 I hope our listeners will will ponder it think about it email us if you if you'd have 394 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:23,400 have any suggestions for us or don't agree with us. 395 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,320 We love those emails too. 396 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:30,800 But I hope you'll think about it and maybe it even deserves some discussion among some 397 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,880 of your loved ones. 398 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,040 Well forsaking the sin. 399 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:41,280 Forsaking the sin is important part of the of the process of repentance. 400 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:46,480 God again I think it's can be almost more of a manifestation of repentance. 401 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:55,760 I know individuals God who have been who are forgiven instantly when they cry out and they 402 00:28:55,760 --> 00:29:01,280 you know give their their whole soul and their sins to God and then they have to go work 403 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:09,960 and use all the grace they can they can receive in their continual crying out continual praying 404 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:16,320 continual striving to keep the commandments and making and keeping covenants. 405 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:20,120 It's a continual process to forsake the sins. 406 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:25,400 But in the you don't have to wait until you've completely forsaken a sin to be to know you're 407 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:26,640 forgiven. 408 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:31,120 I know that I know that I have experienced that. 409 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:37,440 Over and over again that you don't you don't have to say OK well I I've got to go the rest 410 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:42,560 of my life without ever committing this sin before I can be forgiven. 411 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:47,440 Therefore I have to wait till the end of my life to know that whether I'm forgiven. 412 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,440 How ridiculous is that. 413 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:55,440 Well yeah you say ridiculous Dave but there's been a part and I and I've experienced this 414 00:29:55,440 --> 00:30:01,600 there's been a part of our culture where we have come to believe or even and I can I think 415 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:07,640 I can argue this without very successful contradiction that even in some of our priesthood leaders 416 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:12,000 have led us and I am intentional or not I'm not going to get into that. 417 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:18,240 But when we sin or when we when we confess and forsake our sins and we go through the 418 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:25,240 repentance process and then we sin again we have in my mind. 419 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,240 We have doctrine coming in section 82 verse 7. 420 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:29,240 OK. 421 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:30,240 So let's let's read. 422 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:31,240 Let me just read it. 423 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:32,240 Let's just read the scripture. 424 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:33,240 And then I want to talk about that. 425 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,000 And then we can talk about it. 426 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:39,840 But so many people get hung up on this including priesthood leaders including me in the past. 427 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:40,840 Right. 428 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:46,800 I mean I think I think I used to really try to help trying to help missionaries to repent 429 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:51,840 of their sins while being a branch president of the missionary training center. 430 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:57,920 I use this scripture a lot and I kind of used it to kind of bring to their attention the 431 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,600 importance of forsaking their sin. 432 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:06,840 But I think in some ways the way I used it it probably backfired Scott. 433 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:11,680 Well I think that's the way it probably could be more discouraging to them than it was 434 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,440 was hopeful or encouraging. 435 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:19,320 That was my experience because this was used with me on more than one occasion and every 436 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:24,880 time I was used on me it was just like holy cow here's proof that I'm no good proof that 437 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,120 I just can't make it. 438 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:30,020 Maybe I wasn't meant to be saved because I can't anyway. 439 00:31:30,020 --> 00:31:31,020 So here's the scripture. 440 00:31:31,020 --> 00:31:33,840 It's in doctrine covenant section 82 verse 7. 441 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:39,720 Now barely I say unto you I the Lord will not lay any sin to your charge. 442 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,840 Go your ways and send no more. 443 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:48,920 But unto that soul who sineth shall the former sins return sayeth the Lord God. 444 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:55,440 So this scripture can be a can really be a problem for individuals who think that they 445 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:59,200 can't ever call upon God for grace for mercy. 446 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:05,800 They can never be completely forgiven until they have proven to themselves over a long 447 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:10,800 period perhaps lifetime of being sinless. 448 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:17,320 They until they have completely forsaken their sin or sins until they become sinless 449 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:24,240 or perfect they can really they don't want to risk having all the former sins returning 450 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:29,560 therefore they never get around to really you know how overwhelming that can be. 451 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:30,680 Oh man. 452 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:35,720 I think I think there are so many people in the church who are overwhelmed by that and 453 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:40,840 and the truth is that I know I know some religion teachers that I've had a discussion with this 454 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:47,280 over who are who are discouraged by that good people righteous people who who you know 455 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:54,920 who who struggle perhaps with certain tendencies or deficiencies or or feelings or propensities 456 00:32:54,920 --> 00:33:01,800 or whatever the ease character whatever the ease maybe exactly and anyway so this the 457 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:07,960 reality of this Scott is yeah of course of course sins may return of course former sins 458 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:14,480 may return but that doesn't mean they stack up that doesn't mean it becomes worse it doesn't 459 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:23,800 mean that it becomes bigger or harder or more of a major repentance we I mean it's just 460 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:32,320 we can repent of the same sins over and over and over again I love that that message which 461 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:38,240 is so clear you know in the scriptures I let's just let's just turn to those for a 462 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:45,840 minute because this is what I would prefer to focus on are the scriptures in mosaic 463 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:52,760 and I think it's more helpful when parents priesthood leaders and friends use these scriptures 464 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:57,800 to try to help somebody when they are repeating the same sin over and over again instead of 465 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:06,040 beating them up with 82 verse 7 they should read mosaic 26 30 yay and as often as my people 466 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:14,280 repent I will forgive them their trespasses against me as often as often it may be even 467 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:20,720 daily Scott and it may be multiple times I mean I think all of us commit sometimes the 468 00:34:20,720 --> 00:34:28,080 same sin over and over again and if we're repenting daily the sin doesn't stack up sin 469 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:35,480 doesn't become harder we just have to we just have to really endure in Christ and and in 470 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:41,400 our faith that if we have to daily repent for the rest of our life of the same sin 471 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:47,320 but we he forgives us but we can't take that as a license to just no no put no I mean you 472 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:52,880 know if we were if we remember what Joseph Smith said we should never trifle with repentance 473 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:58,640 was daily repentance daily repentance we should never it should you're right that's really 474 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:07,160 important thank you and and then I love Maron I in the Maron I six verse eight now I just 475 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:13,320 love this when he's talking about the how the church would meet often and fast and pray 476 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:17,800 and speak to one another about the welfare of their souls and they would partake of 477 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:22,920 the sacrament weekly so I you know that's an important point maybe in this discussion 478 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:28,320 about forsaking is is that every time we partake of the sacrament weekly we make a covenant 479 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:35,920 promise right to God that will always remember him that will witness unto him that will we're 480 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:41,160 willing to take upon ourselves his name and anyway that we can always have the spirit 481 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:47,760 to be with us but this little scripture this little verse I think this speaks volumes about 482 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:54,000 the mercy and love of God power of the atonement Maron I six verse eight but as often as they 483 00:35:54,000 --> 00:36:03,280 repented and sought forgiveness with real intent they were forgiven that's real intense 484 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:11,720 glad you emphasize that thank you as off that's what I would emphasize as often as often as 485 00:36:11,720 --> 00:36:19,240 they repented they were forgiven Scott yeah that could be daily every time for as many 486 00:36:19,240 --> 00:36:25,520 times as it takes if Jesus if Jesus told Peter when Peter said well how often should we forgive 487 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:39,040 others and Jesus said seventy times seven if if man can be that forgiving you know how 488 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:46,640 much more thousand times more forgiving is our heavenly father and our our savior and redeemer 489 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:53,920 Jesus Christ so I just it's just wrong for individuals to think that when former sins 490 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:59,840 return of course they return and they probably will return it's amazing how Satan can throw 491 00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:06,720 those in our face it's amazing how Satan the accuser can accuse us and and we give in sometimes 492 00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:12,560 over and over again I don't think it's necessarily a sign that one is not repented or that one has 493 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:19,920 not been forgiven if they commit the same sin but they don't stack up right you know what it's a 494 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:28,200 sign of it's a sign that we're fallen it's a sign that we're fallen that we're weak yeah and we're 495 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:34,160 sinners helping sinners and when we may and commit the same sin make the same mistake have the same 496 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:38,320 inappropriate thought what whatever the case may be over and over again you think heavenly 497 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:45,680 father's ever surprised by that yeah yeah no he's not and and not only is he not surprised but he 498 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:51,240 has provided a way knowing that for us to be forgiven or since you talked about a few minutes 499 00:37:51,240 --> 00:37:59,040 ago about how the the ordinance of the sacrament it can be so important a process as we it is as we 500 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:04,560 forsake our sins amen when we began this podcast few years ago I will never forget this because 501 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:10,040 ever since you shared this I've done it pretty consistently I think almost every Sunday ever 502 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:14,880 since but you talked about one of your friends and I think a general authority friend of yours 503 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:20,640 at 70 or something like that taught you or told you that as they're sitting taken partaking of 504 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:24,400 the sacrament that they turn to the scripture the scripture is in doctrine and covenant section 505 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:32,680 110 thank you Scott first elder Jay Jensen okay elder Jay Jensen who I had just I loved him so 506 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:39,640 much he was in the presidency of the 70 and and he taught me this that every time he partakes the 507 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:46,640 sacrament in his mind he's he restates the scripture that he would he would quote it in his mind 508 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:54,160 so absolutely and I turn to it I I turn to it I have it marked so that when the sacraments past 509 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:59,280 there's a couple of other things that I do not the same every time but this is pretty consistent 510 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:04,320 part of my sacrament worship during the 15 minutes that were or 20 minutes where we're 511 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:10,400 partaking in remembering that and this isn't doctrine and covenant section 110 behold your sins 512 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:20,240 are forgiven you you're clean before me therefore lift up your heads and rejoice every time we 513 00:39:20,240 --> 00:39:28,000 partake of the sacrament worthy enough to do so worthily faithfully in faith in Christ when we 514 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:33,400 make this covenant and we renew all of our other covenants with God through the this ordinance of 515 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:41,920 partaking of the flesh and blood of Jesus Christ receiving him I mean that's what we're doing in 516 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:48,760 this process we're receiving him worshiping him acknowledging taking his name upon thanking 517 00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:57,400 this is taking his name upon us absolutely you're forgiven of your sins and so what does that mean 518 00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:02,320 you're clean before me so what does that mean and you should lift up your head and rejoice 519 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:06,240 it doesn't mean you're not going to sin the next week it doesn't mean that at all it means welcome 520 00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:13,440 back and every week we can be restored and every week we can be renewed by the partaking of the 521 00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:18,320 sacrament if we are worthy enough and none of us will ever be sinless when we partake of the 522 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:27,200 sacrament and God doesn't expect it forsaking the sin we don't confess our sins over and over again 523 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:36,600 but we certainly do forsake them over and over again yeah forsaking is critical it's important 524 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:43,160 and sometimes the reason we can't forsake sins Scott you know we talked about this early on in 525 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:49,520 the in our podcast every season we've we've talked about this because I've pretty much come to the 526 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:54,120 conclusion I know there's exceptions to this but I've come to the conclusion that individuals who 527 00:40:54,120 --> 00:41:00,040 repeat the same sin over and over again or those who are spinning their wheels making no spiritual 528 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:06,800 progression don't seem like they can overcome the same same addictions or same whatever it may be 529 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:20,120 in their life that it's because they have put repentance before faith in the Lord Jesus Christ 530 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:29,240 and it's because their faith in the Lord Jesus Christ is not sufficient because faith in the 531 00:41:29,240 --> 00:41:39,840 Lord Jesus Christ and his atonement is the power behind repentance that not only is the power to 532 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:51,280 forgive us but is the power to help us forsake sin forgiveness and forsaking go together and 533 00:41:51,280 --> 00:42:00,920 faith so just just think about that faith forgiveness forsaking those three F's always go 534 00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:07,760 together if we have sufficient faith in the Lord Jesus Christ we will be forgiven and we will 535 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:16,760 forsake and the reason so many people don't feel forgiven or are not able to forsake is because 536 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:26,200 they are not sufficient in the power of faith or the exercise of faith in their life in the Lord 537 00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:35,920 Jesus Christ and his atonement so I that's the key to to forsaking is to build strong faith and 538 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:42,280 we we did two or three podcasts on faith in Jesus Christ the different levels of faith and that 539 00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:49,680 really to be forgiven and to forsake sin one must come to not just the beyond just the simple 540 00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:56,080 faith one must develop their faith and have a faith strong enough where they have the faith of 541 00:42:56,080 --> 00:43:03,080 power where they know that if they ask and they ask expediently that they will receive I mean the 542 00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:09,800 ultimate the ultimate miracles God the ultimate answer to prayer and you know this is over and 543 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:14,560 over again in the scriptures right asking you shall receive knocking it shall be opened and 544 00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:21,360 ask and everything you ask that is good or everything that you ask for that is expedient or 545 00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:27,720 everything that you ask for that is not amiss or anything you know he tells Nephi and Helman 546 00:43:27,720 --> 00:43:36,960 anything that you ask you'll receive well all of that think a bit in terms of asking for forgiveness 547 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:47,160 that if we will ask for forgiveness we will receive it if our faith is sufficient there's 548 00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:54,360 nothing there's not a greater miracle or nothing more that the father wants to give us than 549 00:43:54,360 --> 00:44:03,760 forgiveness of sin so that's the power behind behind it and if one is spinning their wheels 550 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:10,760 not not able to forsake and keep repeating the same sins then then we need to go back and we 551 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:18,680 need to that individual needs to go back and needs to re-study make a study of faith and what it 552 00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:25,240 required what is required how can I obtain it what are the blessings that flow from it and 553 00:44:25,240 --> 00:44:34,680 once they do that their faith will begin to grow the seed which is the power of the word will 554 00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:42,280 grow in their heart and as Paul taught faith cometh by hearing a by hearing the word of God 555 00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:53,080 and ultimately that word of God is the ultimate word of God is thy sins are forgiven me and 556 00:44:53,080 --> 00:45:02,760 when one can have faith in that it's pretty easy to forgive yourself and it's a lot easier to 557 00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:10,600 forsake sin by this you know if a man repent if he will confess and forsake his sins so I hope our 558 00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:18,120 listeners will kind of think about those two as as going together in this process and to see it more 559 00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:26,680 as not necessarily being the the heart and soul of repentance but more maybe sign or evidence 560 00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:33,320 that one is repenting and that's an ongoing process Scott but must be done appropriately when it 561 00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:38,520 comes to the appropriate individuals at the appropriate time when it comes to confessing and 562 00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:45,400 forsaking one should see that as not being a one-time thing but and not be discouraged when 563 00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:54,600 former sins do return it just means that we need to maybe in strive to repent with greater intent 564 00:45:54,600 --> 00:46:03,960 or or greater with greater faith faith is the power behind forgiveness and faith is the power 565 00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:11,160 behind forsaking of sin right and how does my faith grow so this I've just shared my own experience 566 00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:16,840 with this at a high level you know as my faith has grown the way that I have been able to accomplish 567 00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:24,200 that is to do what we have talked about in the past to know and better to be strive to become 568 00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:31,160 more like him and all of that pushes me into a deeper love for him and as I do that the best 569 00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:36,200 way for me to do that is to accept the invitation to come unto me and we've talked about that when 570 00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:42,840 he says come unto me where is he is for me to visit the garden to visit the garden of Gethsemane 571 00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:49,320 and be there with him at the foot of the cross and recognize the pain that he's suffering because 572 00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:56,440 of me and hear him cry out and hear him cry out my god my god why is that forsake him and see him 573 00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:03,560 in the garden being being sustained by an angel his friend and then to see him hang on the cross 574 00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:10,200 and be sustained there by God for a time but then even God removes and lets him take that and as I 575 00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:16,120 see that and as I'm there with him and as I'm there with that and as I feel that and recognize that 576 00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:21,400 and experience that in my life Dave that's when that faith builds that's when that faith moves 577 00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:26,920 from faith to a faith of power the faith of power manifested through what faith unto repentance 578 00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:32,680 through what faith unto his in his name which means to take upon me and make those covenants 579 00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:38,520 and as I do then so I have often found and and forsaking of sins has not been easy for me it's 580 00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:43,960 not easy for any of us it takes works it wasn't meant it wasn't meant to be easy for any of us 581 00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:48,360 and so if we're finding that to be the case for ourselves it's not a reason to beat ourselves up 582 00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:55,400 this is not a stick that we should pick up and and and flog ourselves because we're not worthy 583 00:47:55,400 --> 00:48:01,400 because we can't make it we shouldn't see this as an indictment that we are just we're not savable 584 00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:07,400 because there are those who build that way sometimes because it's like I can't this little sin and 585 00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:11,880 sometimes little sins big sins we can get into that but these little sins sometimes that keep 586 00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:18,120 coming up whatever it is and if I keep struggling with that at some point if I don't see the 587 00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:23,400 faith if I don't I mean if I don't have the faith that has come by those visitations to the places 588 00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:29,960 that we've just talked about then I could give up and and I think that we have seen that and 589 00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:36,120 experience it and if so for those of our listeners who may be in that spot don't give up just just 590 00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:42,760 continue on you're fine just continue to visit there continue to put on the atonement of Jesus 591 00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:48,360 Christ the ways that we've taught and talked about how to do that and we'll continue to do talk and 592 00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:53,960 teach about how to do that then we're going to be fine and this is not an opportunity that should 593 00:48:53,960 --> 00:49:00,920 never be seen as is something that we use to see ourselves less than we are we should see ourselves 594 00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:08,520 less than him as King Benjamin invites us to do but that helps us to accept and realize that complete 595 00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:16,200 dependence that we have on him elder Rennlund Scott in this last conference talk and he is 596 00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:25,480 brought this up more than once at least twice and maybe more is he loves the word repetitively 597 00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:31,320 and iteratively he keeps using those two words together I don't know if you've picked up on that 598 00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:42,120 but he talks about repentance as being repeatedly and iteratively a process iteratively he actually 599 00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:46,680 defines it in this last conference report so I encourage our listeners to go check out elder 600 00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:53,640 elder Rennlund stock it's wonderful about getting tipped over in the by little wave you know and 601 00:49:53,640 --> 00:50:01,640 his kayak is ocean he actually called it a big wave ocean-faring kayak you know awesome that's 602 00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:06,680 that's a great analogy of repentance is that we just need to keep momentum we just need to keep 603 00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:15,320 repenting daily just but it has to be repeated repeatedly repetitively repetitively and iteratively 604 00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:23,800 and iteratively means that we're we're making little progress we're refining it we're getting better 605 00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:30,120 we're maybe we're going a little longer without repeating that sin maybe maybe maybe we're you 606 00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:36,920 know it's not that we just become when we repent we're not going to just be sinless and perfect 607 00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:41,960 and it doesn't mean that we might never repeat that sin but the next time it may maybe it won't be 608 00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:49,000 as bad and we're making progress iteratively we're refining the process we're becoming more intentional 609 00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:56,520 we're becoming more we're learning we're progressing scott yeah that that's how we live the gospel 610 00:50:56,520 --> 00:51:04,840 repetitively and iteratively and it becomes a cycle a cycle upward as we as we become closer to 611 00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:12,600 and learn more about and become more like our heavenly father i love that word iteratively 612 00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:17,880 no i hadn't picked up on that thank you for sharing that but you know what that brings to mind to me 613 00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:24,440 you know when i'm doing what i do for work and i prepare a presentation i may have an iteration 614 00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:29,880 of that presentation iteration there you go what is an iteration and so that iteration is that version 615 00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:35,240 of that presentation improving it my second iteration would be an improvement upon the first 616 00:51:35,240 --> 00:51:41,080 iteration exactly my third iteration would be an improvement upon the second and the first and so 617 00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:49,160 if we're irritatively irritative how did you say it repeatedly and repetitively and and iteratively 618 00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:55,480 i want to use the word irritation iteratively so if we're using the word if we are creating a 619 00:51:55,480 --> 00:52:04,280 repetitive and repetitive and iterative iterative experience in repentance what are we doing we're 620 00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:12,040 creating a new iteration of ourselves that's repentance this is scott durfey version whatever 621 00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:18,200 scott durfey point one oh point two iteration whatever point four oh and each one of those 622 00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:23,320 iterations i'm on about point four thousand oh well good because that means that your orders 623 00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:28,520 are continuing to paddle you so that's important thanks for sharing that so that's that's how we 624 00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:34,040 live the gospel that's how we improve that's how we progress repetitively and iteratively 625 00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:39,320 i love elder rendlin for teaching us that in more than one conference stuff 626 00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:45,560 so what invitation do we have for our listeners today well i i think that that last uh 627 00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:52,520 that last word that i can't say iteratively repetitively and iteratively living our lives 628 00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:59,720 and approaching repentance and as we do that repetitively and iteratively the forsaking 629 00:52:59,720 --> 00:53:06,520 of our sins will become a byproduct of that and quit and and let's just stop being afraid 630 00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:13,480 of repenting of repenting of our sins because we think we won't repeat our sins that's just 631 00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:19,240 that's just false doctrine and that's just satan getting us to stop our progression 632 00:53:19,240 --> 00:53:24,440 our progression is to put fear in our hearts don't repent because you're not sure if you're 633 00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:28,440 ever going to repeat it again or not and if you ever repeat it man it's just going to be so much 634 00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:32,760 worse you're going to be so much harder because you're going to have that one and this one that 635 00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:42,920 is just a lie they don't stack up so we repetitively iteratively and to not fear repentance because 636 00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:51,240 we think that we have to be perfect or sinless before we repent however again we're not being 637 00:53:51,240 --> 00:53:59,400 trite about that we're with real intent we need to continually strive to increase our faith 638 00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:06,440 in jesus christ and his atonement we need to increase our understanding our hearts need to be 639 00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:13,720 be broken our spirits come trite we need to cry out we need to offer our holes that this is 640 00:54:13,720 --> 00:54:20,120 repentance repentance is not just confessing our sins to god and asking for forgiveness 641 00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:28,760 over and over and over again it's it's it takes great effort an effort of great joy an effort 642 00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:37,160 of freedom it's it's such a a liberative liberating liberating experience when we repent but it takes 643 00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:44,920 great effort and it takes great sincerity humility and for sure faith in the lord jesus christ 644 00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:53,720 his atonement and with that power we can repent of our sins as oft as we sin even if it's over 645 00:54:53,720 --> 00:55:01,720 and over again as long as we continue continually to try to iteratively make progress let's also 646 00:55:01,720 --> 00:55:09,640 remember the forsaking our sins is not repentance it's a manifestation yeah thank you of repentance 647 00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:16,120 just because we atheist atheists and and agnostics right can modify behavior absolutely it's not as 648 00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:22,280 just stop your behavior forsaking forsaking sin is not in and of itself repentance there's no 649 00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:29,560 redemption and just by your own willpower or discipline stopping a behavior or indiction 650 00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:35,320 if jesus christ is not the center of it if jesus christ and his atonement isn't involved in this 651 00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:41,560 process there's nothing redemptive about that's another great point scott so if christ is the 652 00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:49,080 center and our faith is is is centered on him this process goes naturally and repetitively 653 00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:56,040 and iteratively for the rest of our lives i'm so thankful for that i'm so thankful to know that the 654 00:55:56,040 --> 00:56:00,520 things that were talked about are available to me they're available to you and it's through these 655 00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:08,680 things in a relationship with him that we qualify for his merits his merits his merits which have 656 00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:14,440 been mighty to save us all to be in effect in each of our lives thanks for being with us this week 657 00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:30,360 we look forward to being with you each and every week tell we're together again be well