1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:20,880 Hey there everybody and welcome out to another episode of Redeemed Through His Blood Scott 2 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:21,880 Durfey here. 3 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:23,520 Joined as always by David Durfey. 4 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:24,520 How are you Dave? 5 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:25,520 I'm good. 6 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:28,080 How many New Year's resolutions have you broken already? 7 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:34,120 Well, I haven't actually taken a detailed inventory but I'm sure there are more than 8 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:35,120 one. 9 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:36,120 I'm not even sure I said anything anymore. 10 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:38,120 Yeah, we talked about that. 11 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:44,920 I kind of like to review my life and review the past year and you know, I don't, I think 12 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:49,960 goals are important but I don't know, New Year's resolutions are not one of my favorite 13 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:50,960 things. 14 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:54,680 Typically that's how I am too but this year it just so happened that there were some things 15 00:00:54,680 --> 00:01:01,080 in my life that had just gotten to the point where it's like, you know what Scott, you 16 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,760 need to tighten some stuff up, you need to do some things different. 17 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:11,520 So it just happened to coincide with the New Year and I was grateful for that because January 18 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:15,840 first came and I had a definitive start date and so far. 19 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:16,840 Awesome. 20 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:17,840 So far so good. 21 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:24,640 I recently read President Ballard talking about goals are the end and you know, I think 22 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:29,840 you need a plan to reach the goals and you know, he was so great on that we miss him, 23 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:30,840 don't we? 24 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:31,840 Yeah, yeah. 25 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:33,320 We're going to miss President Ballard. 26 00:01:33,320 --> 00:01:34,320 Yeah. 27 00:01:34,320 --> 00:01:38,320 Well, that was an important, you know what, I kind of have a business affinity. 28 00:01:38,320 --> 00:01:42,800 I mean guys that are businessmen and he was a great businessman, you know, that's my background 29 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:43,800 in it. 30 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:49,400 Yeah, I just love the things that he said, not just about the church but about business 31 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:50,400 and stuff too. 32 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:51,520 Great mind. 33 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:52,520 They all do. 34 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:53,520 Great, great mind. 35 00:01:53,520 --> 00:02:00,120 Well, Dave, last week we wrapped up the second event of the Atomative, no, the third event 36 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:06,440 of the Atomative Jesus Christ in that we talked about the cross and Christ's suffering on 37 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:07,440 the cross. 38 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,000 Today we're going to move beyond that and talk about the resurrection. 39 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:15,000 Yeah, let's read, let's just quickly review those, you know, four events. 40 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:21,280 We're going to finish up the events maybe today and then the next few podcasts after 41 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:23,880 that we'll talk about the effects. 42 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:29,040 So the events and the effects of the Atomative Jesus Christ where we're at right now. 43 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:34,960 But there were four basic events that make up what we call the Atonement. 44 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:43,800 The Sinless Life, Gethsemane, the Cross, and today we'll speak about in more detail number 45 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:47,880 four, His death and resurrection. 46 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:56,920 And I think I may have read this, but I want to just maybe reiterate it, Scott, what Elder 47 00:02:56,920 --> 00:03:04,600 Talmadge, Elder Mcconkey, and our dear prophet, President Nelson, have all taught and it all 48 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:15,360 started, I think, with Jesus the Christ written by Elder Talmadge on page 661 of Jesus the 49 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:23,080 Christ, Elder Talmadge says, speaking about the cross. 50 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:29,760 On the cross it seems that in addition to the fearful suffering, incident to crucifixion, 51 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:40,200 the agony of Gethsemane had recurred, intensified, intensified beyond human power to endure. 52 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:48,160 In the bitterest hour, the dying Christ was alone, alone in most terrible reality, that 53 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:53,840 the supreme sacrifice of the Son might be consummated in all its fullness. 54 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:59,700 The Father seems to have withdrawn the support of His immediate presence, leaving to the 55 00:03:59,700 --> 00:04:06,960 Savior of man the glory of complete victory over the forces of sin and death, which are 56 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:12,840 the two monsters or negative effects of the false, sin and death. 57 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:19,080 And it's the cross where all of the Atonement of Jesus Christ, or at least at least the 58 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:23,040 suffering for our sins was consummated. 59 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,680 It started in Gethsemane. 60 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:29,120 It was consummated on the cross. 61 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:41,080 It was Gethsemane intensified, that's the word Elder Conkey uses as well as Elder Talmadge. 62 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:51,240 And here's our living prophet just a few years ago in October of 2018, he says, speaking 63 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:53,800 about the Atonement. 64 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:59,400 In the Garden of Gethsemane, our Savior took upon Himself every pain, every sin, all the 65 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:03,880 anguish and suffering ever experienced by you and me, and by everyone who has ever lived 66 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,320 or will ever live. 67 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:11,200 Under the weight of that excruciating burden, He bled from every pore. 68 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:20,760 All of this suffering was intensified as He was crucified on Calvary's cross. 69 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:27,120 So again, the idea, Gethsemane recurred intensified. 70 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:30,920 All of this suffering was intensified on the cross. 71 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:41,200 I just hope that our listeners can think of the cross a little differently and get beyond 72 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:45,240 what we put negative connotations sometimes on. 73 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:52,080 And when we see the cross, we should actually think about Gethsemane intensified. 74 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:54,680 That's what we should think about when we see the cross. 75 00:05:54,680 --> 00:06:02,360 And we should think about the Atonement or at least the suffering part of the Atonement 76 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,960 has been consummated on the cross. 77 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:15,200 This is where He finally said at 3 p.m. on Good Friday 2000, almost 2000 years ago. 78 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:21,840 When He said it is finished, it was started in Gethsemane. 79 00:06:21,840 --> 00:06:24,560 It was finished on the cross. 80 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:33,120 I just can't overstate really how important the cross is. 81 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:38,320 And I know we read the scriptures about Jesus Himself preferring when He speaks of the Atonement. 82 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:44,880 He prefers to speak about the events on the cross. 83 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:51,920 So I think we are ready to move on to the fourth event of the Atonement of Jesus, which 84 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,280 is His death and resurrection. 85 00:06:54,280 --> 00:07:00,120 I am grateful though that we have spent the amount of time that we have focusing on the 86 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:01,120 cross. 87 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:07,000 This is, as you have mentioned, one of those things that in our culture has been something 88 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:11,480 that maybe we have de-emphasized, I guess I could say in the past. 89 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:19,320 But I know that when Deb and I, a couple of years ago, went to a French church on, and 90 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:24,640 I think I have talked about this actually on Palm Sunday, Lutheran church, and they 91 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:28,400 had crosses and they actually had the palms. 92 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:32,960 My friend Ray, his daughters, made little crosses out of those palms for us. 93 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:34,920 They just have such a deep reverence. 94 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:40,640 I also got to witness one time, actually I didn't witness it, but he has told me about 95 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:44,400 how they have this cross on Easter. 96 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:49,520 One of the things that the membership of that congregation do on Easter is they will approach 97 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:56,280 the cross and they will pound nails in it themselves, just to think about the suffering 98 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:59,040 that took place there for them. 99 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:04,040 And Ray tells me, he says, you know, Scotty says, that's one of the most poignant experiences 100 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:08,000 we have in our churches, in their congregation. 101 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,720 It's not a church-letting, but in their congregation where they do that. 102 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:15,800 And I have come to have that great reverence as well for those things, Dave. 103 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:20,840 Well, I think it's really sweet what other churches do. 104 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:31,520 And I know it's sincere and I know they have faith in Jesus Christ. 105 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:37,980 But they also have kind of, I think their focus may be more upon the nails and the crucifix 106 00:08:37,980 --> 00:08:47,360 and then it is upon the spiritual, emotional, mental anguish, really the spiritual suffering 107 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:53,200 that occurred there because they certainly don't really understand what happened in Gethsemane. 108 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,560 And they don't understand. 109 00:08:56,560 --> 00:09:04,680 I've said this before, but Richard Ma, who was the president of the largest Protestant 110 00:09:04,680 --> 00:09:14,920 seminary in America, came to our institute and spoke to us there at UVU, Utah Valley 111 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:16,480 University. 112 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:24,280 And we read with him in our faculty meeting before he spoke to our students. 113 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:26,440 We had a faculty meeting with him. 114 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:33,080 And we read to Alma 7 that Jesus not only suffered, you know, I asked him a question. 115 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:42,280 I said, seems like to me, Brother Ma, Dr. Ma, that one of the differences between your 116 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:50,600 faith and our faith, your theology and our theology is that you believe in a limited 117 00:09:50,600 --> 00:10:01,760 atonement that is the I in the acronym Tulip or the L, the L in the acronym for Tulip, which 118 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:09,920 is based upon the beliefs of Calvinists that you believe in a limited atonement and we 119 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:17,600 believe in an infinite atonement, which is summarized, I think, in Alma 7. 120 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:24,040 And he says, I, Brother Murphy, I know what Alma 7 is. 121 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:27,840 And he actually had a he said, I have a copy of Book of Mormon. 122 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,080 And I love those verses in Alma 7. 123 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:34,400 And he says, I hope someday that we can believe them. 124 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:39,760 He says, I don't believe that right now, but I hope that someday we can believe that. 125 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:44,240 I love your concept of an infinite atonement, but they don't they don't really understand 126 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:52,160 that Jesus not only suffered for the sins of his disciples and those who choose to follow 127 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:57,960 him or even maybe as a Calvinist, those who are predestined to be saved. 128 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:04,440 That's who they believe Jesus died for is for those who are predestined to be saved. 129 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:12,520 But as Latter Day Saints got, thank God for the restoration and the Book of Mormon, we 130 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:18,080 know that Jesus suffered for all the world that not just for all the sins of all the 131 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:25,480 world, but for all of the sicknesses, all of the suffering, all of the adversity of all 132 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:26,480 the world. 133 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:35,240 As sweet as those Easter and crucifixion traditions are in other churches, they have 134 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:43,320 such a small really understanding of what Jesus really did on the cross. 135 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:50,240 We should be so grateful and willing to share with the rest of the world, you know, what 136 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:53,920 what really happened on the cross. 137 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:57,880 Anyway, 3 p.m. 138 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:01,120 It's it is finished. 139 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:04,000 The suffering is over. 140 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:10,320 And Jesus just simply whispers and I'm grateful it was recorded by John. 141 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:17,120 It is finished and he yielded up the ghost and he died 3 p.m. 142 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:19,160 on Friday afternoon. 143 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:23,320 He's been on the cross for nine hours. 144 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:29,040 So they have to hurry and bury him because their Sabbath begins at sundown on Friday 145 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:38,040 and thankful for Joseph of Armitia who offers his his tomb and and they hurry and bury 146 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:46,160 him and give him a proper Jewish burial and he lies in the tomb. 147 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:50,120 Beginning Friday before the sun goes down on Friday. 148 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:59,120 So he's in the tomb for part of Friday all of Saturday and we know by early Sunday morning 149 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:04,640 that he comes forth out of the tomb and is resurrected and the first mortal that he chooses 150 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:09,400 to appear to is Mary. 151 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:15,520 Maybe we should just say something again because because the restoration Scott we were just 152 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:22,480 so blessed to know something about what he did in that 36 hours that we talk about being 153 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:29,440 dead for three days but he wasn't dead for 72 hours. 154 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:33,160 He was dead for about half of that on three different days. 155 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:38,880 I mean he was dead on Friday all day Saturday and part of Sunday. 156 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,200 But it wasn't three full days. 157 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:51,040 It was probably like one and a half days in in the at least as you track time and hours. 158 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:58,000 But no one else knows what he was really doing during that time and we do. 159 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:04,160 And it's just one of the great revelations that I'm grateful has been canonized in the 160 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:11,800 doctrine come in section 138 of the doctrine comments and Joseph F Smith and the dream 161 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:17,320 or vision that he had concerning Christ's visit to the spirit world. 162 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:24,120 I'm I know that Pete you know he told the thief today that shall be with me in paradise 163 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:30,200 and there's all kinds of commentaries about that and what that meant and I've re listened 164 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:37,080 some of those recently and they just don't really know what happened there, Scott. In fact, 165 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:43,720 even the best of the clergy, the most informed and educated, 166 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:51,240 they don't really know what happens in the space between death and the resurrection. 167 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:58,760 We do because of the Book of Mormon. Alma talks about it in Alma chapter 40. And then we have the 168 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:03,080 teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith and what he teaches us about the spirit world and 169 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:10,760 the works that's being done in the world of spirits, preaching of the gospel and 170 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:17,480 the revelations on baptism for the dead and the letters that he wrote in Doctrine and Covenants 171 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:29,240 section 124, section 128. Anyway, we have so so much more information on that space between death 172 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:38,040 and the resurrection. One of the great clergy's of our time really. I have so so much respect for 173 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:46,840 is J.T. Wright or Tom. Tom Wright. He's a great writer. I think he's written something like 70 174 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:55,800 books and Christian theology was a Anglican bishop and but he's I think back to teaching 175 00:15:56,440 --> 00:16:01,480 theology in St. Andrews, by the way, Scott. That's why it's another reason why I love him so much 176 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:07,560 because he's in St. Andrews in Scotland. Did you look him up when you were there? And I wanted 177 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:13,160 to wanted to run into him at the ice cream shop, but he never showed up. Why the ice cream shop? 178 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:18,840 Because I hung out there a lot. Oh, I see. Okay. Wasn't on the golf course. I was at the ice cream 179 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:27,720 shop. Okay. Anyway, I just have so much respect for him and people can check him out on on YouTube 180 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:39,400 or whatever. He has a great faith and he he's a believer for sure. And I would love to 181 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:46,760 talk to him more sometime and when I see him in the spirit world, I'll say, well, now you know, 182 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:52,440 because, you know, he openly confesses that, you know, we really don't know about life after death 183 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:59,800 before life after the resurrection. He calls it life after life after life that we have life and 184 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:04,280 then he says, I believe we have life when we die, but we don't know anything about that. 185 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:10,760 And then we have life after the resurrection. So he calls it life after life after life. 186 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:23,320 And I'm just going, wow, who am I? I'm nobody. I'm nobody. And and I know more about what happens 187 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:29,080 in the spirit world and after death than the greatest theologians that have ever lived on the 188 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:37,640 earth just because I'm a member of the restored church of Jesus Christ. So I don't know. What should 189 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:44,840 we say about life after this life in that space of time between death and the resurrection? 190 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:52,840 Well, that's a great opportunity for those to hear the gospel. And you know, and the cool thing about 191 00:17:52,840 --> 00:18:00,920 that, that one of the wonderful things about that time between when Jesus was crucified and before 192 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:06,360 he was resurrected is that we know that he was taking the gospel to those who had passed before. 193 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:13,560 And while he was there as recorded in Peter and other places, but they just don't understand it. 194 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:18,600 Right. Well, I mean, with the clarity that the restoration has provided, we can eat more easily 195 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:24,600 see those things written by Peter and so forth. Right. But you know, what a neat thing because 196 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:30,600 you know, I know you know, there are a lot of us of our ancestry and there are a lot still to date 197 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:36,200 that will benefit from the teaching that goes on in the spirit world and Christ started that. 198 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:41,560 In the spirit world, you know, because Peter talks about that he went to preach to the spirits 199 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:48,680 that are dead and and how does it read in in first Peter, you know, 3 18? How does that read? 200 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:54,520 Scott, I mean, the Bible gives us some understanding, thankfully, because I think that some of these 201 00:18:54,520 --> 00:19:01,160 verses in the Bible are what led Joseph Smith to inquire more about it, including the scripture 202 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:06,760 in 1 Corinthians 15 29. You know, what else shall they do that are baptized for the dead? If the 203 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:11,800 dead night rise not at all, why should they be baptized for the dead? I mean, Paul uses that 204 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:17,000 as evidence that there has to be a resurrection. If we're doing work for the dead, if we're 205 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:21,880 baptizing for the dead and there were no resurrection, then why would we be baptizing for 206 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:28,600 the dead? I know that that's a simple explanation of how we understand it. But other clergy and 207 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:33,160 theologians get so lost in that. Yeah, well, Paul thought it was a simple explanation to 208 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:38,120 yeah, I mean, he wasn't saying, hey, guys, I want you to believe we need to convince you to believe 209 00:19:38,120 --> 00:19:44,200 in life after death. That was a foregone conclusion. Apparently, yeah, the problem here was resurrection. 210 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:47,640 So he was saying, why are you baptizing them? If you don't even believe they're going to rise 211 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:51,080 from the dead? It wasn't about whether they're living after they're dead. It was if they're 212 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:57,960 going to rise from the dead, it was a resurrection issue. Anyway, but others don't don't comprehend 213 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:03,880 that. So I'm grateful for the few verses that we do have that's been preserved in the in the Holy 214 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:11,240 Bible. So this is 1 Peter 3 starting in verse 18. For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, 215 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:16,520 the just for the unjust that he might bring us to God being put to death in the flesh, 216 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:22,040 but quickened by the spirit by which he also went and preached into the spirits in prison, 217 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:27,880 which sometimes were disobedient when once the long suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, 218 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:34,360 while the Ark was preparing. Wherein, few that is eight souls were saved by water. 219 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:41,800 Well, again, most other religions don't really know what that what that means. And there's 220 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:48,680 all kinds of different conjecture and commentary on that passage of Scripture. And I'm just so 221 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:54,120 thankful that Peter felt impressed to record that and the effect that that had on living 222 00:20:54,120 --> 00:21:00,760 latter day prophets, Prophet Joseph Smith inquired about it. I know that that that's the passage 223 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:07,640 that allowed Joseph F Smith, he was reading that loud Joseph F Smith to have his dream or vision 224 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:14,280 about redemption for the dead. And this idea of redemption for the dead is completely unique to 225 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:23,640 to to our beliefs. And I'm just so grateful that we have that understanding, Scott, and that 226 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:33,240 that's not a whole a black hole that we don't know what happened in during that space when Jesus 227 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:38,760 died until the time he was resurrected. And if people want to know more about that, they need 228 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:46,120 to go to doctrine, come and read section 138. And we invite you to do that. And and then what does 229 00:21:46,120 --> 00:21:51,320 he say in his first Peter four, six, I just remember that from my missionary discussions 230 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:56,600 50 years ago for for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, 231 00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:01,240 that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit. 232 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:08,440 So again, Peter gives us some idea, some glimpse of what Jesus was doing 233 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:17,160 when he was dead and yet alive as a spirit in the spirit world before his resurrection. 234 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:24,920 So he ordained missionaries and missionaries went and began to preach to the spirits who were 235 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:31,160 in prison and in the holy temples, we do vicarious work for those individuals. And 236 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:39,160 that's that's a sacred holy works, Scott, that I have just really been transforming really for me 237 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:48,200 as I've been engaged in more depth being in the temple, 10 hours, 10 hours a week. And 238 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:53,400 for those that don't know, I mean, those ordinances, David has been recently within the last two or 239 00:22:53,400 --> 00:23:01,240 three months been right. Yeah, I guess I was really set apart in April, but didn't really start. 240 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:06,440 Okay, okay. Well, for the last several months, I guess time flies, but has been serving in the 241 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:14,040 temple. The Saratoga Springs Temple as a sealer. And I, you know, Scott, it's so sweet and I feel 242 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:21,080 the presence of God, angels and witnesses, a term that we use in the temple. And I feel the 243 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:26,520 presence of those angels. And I tell the people that we do the work for that in order for these 244 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:34,680 individuals to exercise their agency, what to whether to choose whether to receive these ordinances 245 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:41,480 or not, they must witness it. I don't know if they witness it live, or if it's recorded somewhere 246 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:48,040 that they can witness it when they're when they're better prepared. But they will. They either do 247 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:56,920 or they will witness it. And that is really a sacred holy work. And I feel that I feel the power 248 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:05,720 of that performing those ordinances. And sometimes it has been confirmed by the Holy Spirit of 249 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:16,520 individuals rejoicing, receiving those ordinances in the temple. And anyway, it's just a really 250 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:24,600 sacred holy work. And again, I said this too many times, but I guess you can't say it too many times. 251 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:29,960 How grateful I am for the restoration and the fullness of the gospel of Jesus Christ 252 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:36,520 that we know what Jesus did and the importance of his mission, which he accomplished in the spirit 253 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:44,280 world in the some 36 to 40 hours that he would have been in the spirit world after he died. 254 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:50,040 Anything more we should say about that that period of time? 255 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:55,960 I think that we've probably said enough, I think that it's important that we do express gratitude. 256 00:24:55,960 --> 00:25:02,440 I know you have. I am now too about that opportunity because, you know, there are just those that 257 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:10,520 will pass that don't quite have what they need and to know that those things that are taught, 258 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:15,880 that Jesus taught there are still being taught there now, so that those ordinances can be 259 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:22,120 in their behalf here. I think that's just a great thing for us to know. So I think it's good for 260 00:25:22,120 --> 00:25:24,760 us now that we can just go ahead and move into the resurrection. 261 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:28,280 Okay, well, while you were talking, another verse came into my mind. So 262 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:34,840 you know, this should be probably read at every funeral. This is in Alma chapter 40. 263 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:41,080 In Alma chapter 40, Alma had inquired, he's talking to Corianton, his wayward son. 264 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:48,120 Then he's talking to his Corianton and he's telling Corianton, hey, you need to know that there's 265 00:25:48,120 --> 00:25:53,560 life after death. I think that's really important. Maybe we don't talk about it enough with our 266 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:59,320 families, our children, our grandchildren. There's life after death. And there's a time, 267 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:04,600 there's a space between the time of death and the resurrection. He talks about that openly 268 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:09,560 to his wayward son Corianton. Thankfully, it's been recorded in Alma chapter 40, 269 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:16,360 really beginning with verse nine. Therefore, there is a time appointed on demand that they 270 00:26:16,360 --> 00:26:21,960 shall rise from the dead. And there is a space between the time of death and the resurrection. 271 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:28,520 And now concerning the space of time, what becomeeth of the souls of men is the thing which I have 272 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:33,640 inquired diligently of the Lord to know. And this is the thing of which I do know. 273 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:40,600 So, wow, here we go. We get a glimpse of a prophet who's inquired about the space 274 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:49,160 of time between death and the resurrection. And he gets an answer, verse 10. And when the time 275 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:53,080 cometh, when all shall rise, then shall they know that God knoweth all the times which are 276 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:59,400 appointed unto men. Some great theology in that verse. Verse 11, now concerning the state of the 277 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:06,680 soul between death and the resurrection, behold, it has been made known unto me by an angel, 278 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:12,920 that the spirits of all men, as soon as they are departed from this mortal body, 279 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:19,800 yea, the spirits of all men, whether they be good or evil, are taken home to that God who gave them 280 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:26,840 life. And then shall it come to pass that the spirits of those who are righteous are received 281 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:32,760 into a state of happiness, which is called paradise, a state of rest, a state of peace, 282 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:39,080 where they shall rest from all their troubles and from all care and sorrow. And then shall it come 283 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:44,440 to pass that the spirits of the wicked, yea, who are evil, for behold, they have no part or portion 284 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:49,560 of the spirit of the Lord, for behold, they chose evil works rather than good, therefore the spirit 285 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:53,880 of the devil, they enter into them and take possession of their house, and these shall be 286 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:58,680 cast out into outer darkness. It's kind of black and white in the scripture, Scott, it's kind of 287 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:07,400 salvation or damnation in the Book of Mormon, their understanding of the plan, the way they teach it. 288 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:18,120 And but it says that I've heard, again, prophets and great teachers like Brother Matthews teach 289 00:28:18,120 --> 00:28:24,200 when it says they are taken home to that God who gave them life does not mean that they enter 290 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:33,960 back into his presence when they die, but they are taken to a place where God again is present. 291 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:42,360 I mean, God is present with us, God is present there that they are taken to a place where 292 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:49,560 where God can appear where he can reside or where he can be with them, but it's not the 293 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:58,760 place we would think of as heaven where resurrected beings dwell in the presence of God. 294 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:05,960 So they're taken to a place that we call the spirit world and we don't know how that's all 295 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:15,560 organized over there. We've had a few saints like Jedediah Grant. I love his description 296 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:22,520 of the spirit world. He died and came back to life and Jedediah Grant gives a rather detailed 297 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:30,440 description of the world of spirits, the colors and the organization and some of the plant life and 298 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:35,800 the things that he witnessed in the spirit world, which was fantastic. And anyway, he gives 299 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:40,600 something of a description of that in the Journal of Discourses, Volume 4. I can't remember what 300 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:48,200 pages. And anyway, we've had others, you know, and some of these are apocryphal and I don't 301 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:54,840 necessarily give them any, a lot of credibility about people who have died and come back to life. 302 00:29:54,840 --> 00:30:00,520 I believe that can happen. I certainly don't doubt that. I've seen the movies and read some of the 303 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:06,040 books and certainly believe that's possible and believe that there's parts of that that actually 304 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:14,120 may be, may be true, but I don't know. I just believe it at that, I guess. But we know, 305 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:20,680 we know there is a spirit world. We know that and we know that that there is an organization there. 306 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:27,160 And we know that people are being taught there and they're being prepared there and there the plan 307 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:33,640 continues to be fulfilled there all through their their time about Christ and redemption and 308 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:40,760 the plan of salvation and exaltation and anyway, I just think it's thrilling that 309 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:52,520 that we know 99.9% more about what happens between the space of death and the resurrection 310 00:30:52,520 --> 00:31:02,280 than anyone else. Another precious part of the restoration. Well, or sometime early in the morning 311 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:07,960 on on a first day of the week, which is why we celebrate Sunday on the first day of the week, 312 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:15,640 which is our new Sabbath. The Jewish Sabbath was on Friday night to Saturday night, but it became 313 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,480 the first day of the week when Jesus was resurrected on the first day of the week Sunday. 314 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:29,000 Sometimes early, he appears to marry and we have four gospel writers and the Apostle Paul over and 315 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:35,880 over again who bear testimony of the resurrection of Jesus Christ and it's interesting to compare 316 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:41,720 each of the gospel writers and the points of doctrine that they choose to kind of focus on 317 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:48,280 and the events really the events of it. The point of all of it is it's it would be an interesting 318 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:54,920 comparison, I think for our listeners to make that they can go to the chronology gospel harmony 319 00:31:55,560 --> 00:32:00,680 and look at the chronologies and all the events that occur during the resurrection. But 320 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:10,840 I think Acts chapter one, Scott, let's let's go to chapter one of acts. Luke is writing this. This is 321 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:18,840 Luke. Some people think he may have been one of the two on the road to Emmaus since he's the only 322 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:25,480 one who who shares that experience, which is so important as a two individuals are eyewitnesses 323 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:33,480 of the resurrection of Jesus Christ who eat with him. I just I want to point out that the gospel 324 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:40,840 writers all make the point that he was physically resurrected. This is another point that there's 325 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:49,560 so much confusion in the Christian world about Scott. I mean some Christian Gnostics who believe 326 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:56,040 that that the body is actually evil and that that all led to the Nicene Creed. I mean the Greeks 327 00:32:56,040 --> 00:33:05,640 and their Gnosticism and their whole thing about the physicality or bodies are evil and we can't 328 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:11,480 have a God who has a body. It all led to the Nicene Creed, which which is why they believe God 329 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:20,440 still doesn't have a body and that who knows what he did with his body. I think really in 330 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:26,200 their pure belief they don't believe he was ever resurrected with a body and that maybe somebody 331 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:32,760 really did steal his body or maybe the Christians even stole his body and hit it but that he was 332 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:41,960 resurrected in some other strange spiritual form where he could do things. But anyway the point is 333 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:50,760 we believe we know that he has a body of flesh and bone. That's the revelation and we have many 334 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:56,760 witnesses of that and and they are there are many witnesses of that in the Bible Scott that he 335 00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:06,280 appeared to 500 at once. Paul tells us in 1 Corinthians but in in chapter one of Acts he 336 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:15,240 talks about the infallible the infallible proofs. It's in the first few verses I think Scott. So 337 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:22,280 let's start with verse three. You want to read? Yeah so Acts chapter one verse three. Yeah so 338 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:28,680 he's talking about Jesus here right. He's writing to Theophilus and he says to again referring to 339 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:36,280 Jesus to whom he also showed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs being seen 340 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:41,800 of them 40 days and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God. 40 days. Yeah 341 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:51,880 infallible proofs many infallible proofs of the physical those are my words physical resurrection 342 00:34:51,880 --> 00:35:01,080 of the Lord Jesus Christ. We have so many witnesses. We we know that Mary I know it's 343 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:08,280 recorded in John when Jesus says touch me not but in the Joseph Smith translation it says hold me 344 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:16,280 not that Mary was holding Jesus. That there was a physical body there for her to hold and she 345 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:22,440 she held him and he says hold me not I'm not yet ascended and he he's got to go see his father 346 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:30,200 even it's that's so significant to me that he chooses to see Mary before he sees his father 347 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:40,680 but he he he goes to his father after Mary has held him and then he Luke records that he eats 348 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:48,760 he eats fish and honeycomb for a spirit hath not flesh and bones as you see me have in Luke 24 we 349 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:56,600 have I mean it's just it just seems to me and and I know this is through the through the lens or the 350 00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:05,320 the prism the the the the glasses that I see the resurrection is through the the doctrine of the 351 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:13,800 restoration it's so obvious that he has a physical body Scott any ministers with him for 40 days 352 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:25,800 anyway I we have so much physical evidence of his physical bodily resurrection in the Bible 353 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:34,280 and even more so in the Book of Mormon and maybe we can turn to some of those and I mean it gets 354 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:42,440 pretty pretty specific in the Book of Mormon we we have Paul talks about the resurrection right 355 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:48,440 in fact oh let's do this before we turn to the Book of Mormon Scott I want to read 1st Corinthians 15 356 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:55,240 let's just talk about how the resurrection itself is kind of the keystone of Christianity I know we 357 00:36:55,240 --> 00:37:01,240 talk about the Book of Mormon be the keystone of our religion meaning the you know the restoration 358 00:37:01,240 --> 00:37:08,520 but really when it comes to Christianity the resurrection has been called the keystone 359 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:18,280 of Christianity and here's why because in 1st Corinthians chapter 15 this amazing 360 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:27,000 letter written to the people of Corinth and Paul's trying to bear his witness of the bodily 361 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:34,680 resurrection of Jesus and he he talks about in verse 6 after that he was seen of above 500 362 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:40,680 brethren at once I mean there must have been some priesthood meeting up in Galilee where he appeared 363 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:47,640 to 500 brethren at once I don't know what we don't know have any more detail about that 364 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:55,880 but he goes on and he says if there be no resurrection verse 13 Scott verse 13 and 14 if 365 00:37:55,880 --> 00:38:01,400 you want to read those verse 13 but if there is no resurrection of the dead then Christ 366 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:09,640 then is Christ not risen and if Christ is not risen then is our preaching vain and your faith 367 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:17,640 is also vain okay now go down to 16 and 17 for if the dead rise not at all then is not Christ 368 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:26,200 raised and if Christ is not raised your faith is in vain ye are yet in your sins if Christ 369 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:31,560 hasn't been resurrected you're still in your sins then what the heck are we doing yeah our faiths 370 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:41,080 in vain yeah if he's not resurrected if he's not alive then what it's we're just wasting our time 371 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:49,160 we're just chasing a myth I mean it all comes down to this Scott it all comes down to Jesus Christ 372 00:38:49,720 --> 00:38:59,720 him crucified and resurrected if he's not resurrected then it's it's just all in vain 373 00:38:59,720 --> 00:39:08,840 according to Paul and then Paul bears a powerful testimony I think in verses 20 through 22 Scott 374 00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:16,040 you want to read those or even 23 yeah but now is Christ risen from the dead and become the first 375 00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:22,440 fruits of them that slept for since by man came death by man also the resurrection of the dead 376 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:29,400 for as an atom all die even so in Christ shall all be made alive but every man in his own order 377 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:35,800 that's verse 23 but every man in his own order Christ the first fruits afterward they that are 378 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:41,160 Christ at his coming so there's an order to the resurrection Scott this is the first 379 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:47,560 kind of place in the scriptures where we we see that there's kind of an order and that it's important 380 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:53,080 I think to understand that order and we kind of have a unique phrase in the church of Jesus 381 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:58,440 Christ of Latter-day Saints where we talk about the morning of the first resurrection 382 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:07,560 and I'd like to try to explain that a little bit the order of the resurrection but before we do 383 00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:15,960 that let's still try to make the case and give the evidence of the bodily resurrection of Jesus 384 00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:23,400 Scott so in I think we have well all the prophets in the Book of Mormon bear testimony of the 385 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:31,800 resurrection divinity of Jesus Christ and that he would come back from the dead and and live again 386 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:39,400 and take his rightful place at the right hand of the father so all the prophets bear testimony of 387 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:47,240 that but I think the favorite most detailed examples of witnesses and the teachings of the 388 00:40:47,240 --> 00:40:56,040 resurrection are contained in in 2nd Nephi chapter 9 Jacob's unbelievable inspired sweet 389 00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:01,720 discourse on the resurrection that if it weren't for the resurrection we'd all become 390 00:41:01,720 --> 00:41:08,520 sons and daughters of Satan you know that if it weren't for the resurrection and we didn't get our 391 00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:15,480 bodies back there's something about the body Scott that gives us power over Satan and we all we know 392 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:22,600 we in the in the gospel of Jesus Christ that in fact all Christians I think understand this that 393 00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:28,440 Satan doesn't have a body and that was his great punishment that he wouldn't have a body then he 394 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:36,760 and he won't get a body and that because we do have a body and that we will be resurrected with a 395 00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:46,040 body that we it gives us some power over Satan you know that's in 2nd Nephi chapter 9 Jacob's 396 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:54,120 discourse versus like 8 and 9 right Scott yes 7 8 9 we've read those I think before but others can 397 00:41:54,120 --> 00:42:00,520 check those out if it weren't for the resurrection if we weren't resurrected we'd all become sons of 398 00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:06,280 of the devil how does it say it well yeah and in verse 7 it actually talks about why it needs to 399 00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:12,760 be an infinite atonement right in other words touching everybody all of us let me just read it 400 00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:19,160 7 through 9 of 2nd Nephi 9 wherefore it must needs to be an infinite atonement save it should be an 401 00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:25,800 infinite atonement this corruption not could not put on incorruption wherefore the first judgment 402 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:32,280 which came upon man must have needs to remained in an endless duration and if so this flesh here it 403 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:39,720 is and if so this flesh must have laid down to rot into crumble to its mother earth to rise no more 404 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:47,960 in verse 8 all the wisdom of God his mercy and grace for behold if the flesh should rise no 405 00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:53,240 more our spirits must become subject to the angel who fell from before the presence of the eternal 406 00:42:53,240 --> 00:42:59,880 God and became the devil to rise no more and our spirits must have become like unto him and we become 407 00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:05,880 devils angels to a devil to be shut out from the presence of our God and to remain with the father 408 00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:11,080 of lies in misery likened to himself yay to that being who beguiled our first parents who 409 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:15,880 transformeth himself nigh unto an angel of light and stirrth up the children of men 410 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,720 unto secret combinations of murder and all manner of secret works of darkness 411 00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:28,360 angels to the devil yeah yeah in word for bodily resurrection in verse 8 it says all the wisdom of 412 00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:35,000 God his mercy and grace and then there's an exclamation point again you know I think that you 413 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:40,440 know there's there's a heavenly father just putting that exclamation point on guys get how 414 00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:46,280 important this is this is important well that's one of the great jacob's one of the really great 415 00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:54,200 theologians and gives us quite a doctrinal discourse on the resurrection in second efi 9 and 416 00:43:54,200 --> 00:44:00,200 it talks about how everyone will be resurrected the merciful plan of God and will all die and will 417 00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:05,640 all be resurrected that's another point that I think all other Christian churches are confused 418 00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:12,040 about and disagreeing on Scott is they did they they're not really sure if everyone's going to 419 00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:18,680 be resurrected or not I mean many just outright do not believe that we know that everyone including 420 00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:24,360 everyone including sons of perdition will be resurrected not only all people will be resurrected 421 00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:31,160 but all animals will be resurrected we believe that everything that is alive that has a spirit 422 00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:40,200 will be resurrected Scott to a physical bodily form and that could include 423 00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:49,080 could include insects and and plants and everything else I don't know all of that but 424 00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:55,320 we know that anything that had a spirit and anything that lived on this earth because of Jesus Christ 425 00:44:55,320 --> 00:45:00,680 he covers them too I mean when we talk about the infinite tome and I usually say it covers 426 00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:07,800 all mankind well it includes the animal kingdom not just all that all of the dogs that you've 427 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:14,840 loved and horses all the horses that you've had to put down and yeah all of that Scott is 428 00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:20,680 all of that's covered by the resurrection I just think that's really a really special 429 00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:32,520 precious priceless doctrine yeah yeah I agree and you know I often fantasize of that you know 430 00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:36,840 just a couple of years ago and you know this isn't the point of the podcast but there is 431 00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:41,800 comfort even in our those things that may seem trite to the rest of the world you know but there 432 00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:46,520 is comfort in the through the atonement of Jesus Christ in that I had to put one of my favorite 433 00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:52,280 horses down just a few years ago and I still I still am sad about it yeah you know I I still 434 00:45:52,280 --> 00:46:00,120 grieve that what was his name his name is real real yeah he was an Arabian um gelding that uh we 435 00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:05,960 raised from a baby and he got colic and we had to put him down he just about 15 was 15 years old 436 00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:14,440 beautiful gray white Arabian gelding yeah but anyway those those things those things add comfort 437 00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:18,280 and I think this is one of the things there you know when we talk about the atonement of Jesus 438 00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:23,400 Christ and how through the atonement and you know the resurrection is one of the events right so 439 00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:28,760 let's not forget that it's you know I think sometimes we we just mistakenly when we hear the 440 00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:32,440 atonement of Jesus Christ we just think about how that applies to sin that's not what we're 441 00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:37,160 talking about we're talking about it it's in its completion right in the entirety of the 442 00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:41,720 atonement of Jesus Christ and I think that there's that and so many other little tender 443 00:46:41,720 --> 00:46:47,400 mercies that can come to us when we become aware and aligned with the teachings and the spirit 444 00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:52,440 behind the atonement of Jesus Christ and and that's one of those for me for sure yeah I I agree 445 00:46:52,440 --> 00:47:00,440 uh it's a little sad uh Scott to me um seems like the older you get the more funerals you go to 446 00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:06,760 yeah there's a reason for that yeah I do and the more funerals I go to I'm I'm more aware 447 00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:15,560 that uh oftentimes people talk about individuals going back to the presence of God and then that 448 00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:23,960 they've been you know saved by God or redeemed by God or that the you know all of that but they 449 00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:33,880 never use the word resurrection yeah and I and I think somebody needs to I I in fact I love the 450 00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:41,720 tradition of the Anglican church they have a tradition of their saints when they have a 451 00:47:41,720 --> 00:47:51,640 an Anglican funeral um they will repeat as they're taking the body into the sanctuary 452 00:47:52,600 --> 00:48:00,840 they'll repeat uh John uh I am the resurrection and the life and and they'll they'll they'll kind of 453 00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:08,920 do a a cantation on that verse over and over again as they're I just think it's so important 454 00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:16,200 that we use the word resurrection and that as Latter-day Saints when we use it we're thinking of a 455 00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:23,960 bodily resurrection and it's literal and that people will come forth out of the grave um 456 00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:32,440 I have my sweet son-in-law lost his father recently and his his dad has had his challenges 457 00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:39,400 throughout his life even though he was raised in the church he's been a little bit on and off and 458 00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:44,600 decided that he wanted to be cremated I don't know if he decided that or his wife decided that who's 459 00:48:45,240 --> 00:48:52,600 convert to the church and I that's fine that's fine I know I know I know he'll be resurrected 460 00:48:53,720 --> 00:48:59,960 but if you believe in a bodily resurrection I I'm not sure why one would choose cremation 461 00:48:59,960 --> 00:49:07,800 um and we don't have time for this today maybe another time but the Prophet Joseph Smith taught 462 00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:14,440 in teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith volume compiled by Joseph Fielding Smith that there's 463 00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:18,520 a fundamental principle of everybody's body I think what he was really describing the Prophet 464 00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:25,800 Joseph Smith was DNA and one's DNA will be preserved I don't think you can completely destroy DNA 465 00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:32,280 you know you can get it off a what a cup that you drink or you can get it off of so many things 466 00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:39,800 right there are DNA and then everyone has a unique DNA I mean this is kind of the what this I don't 467 00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:45,800 know what scientists I'm not a scientist but I think what Joseph Smith was was really describing 468 00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:52,600 was an individual's unique DNA and everyone has that and God that's how the resurrection will 469 00:49:52,600 --> 00:50:02,920 will occur is is that the regeneration uh recreation of DNA I mean Scott the resurrection is 470 00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:09,720 just think about that miracle for a minute I mean I know we we see the creation as a miracle 471 00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:16,120 think about the creation of animals and all the life on the earth and Adam and Eve right and we 472 00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:23,800 see that as an amazing miracle and then once God has created the earth and Adam and Eve are created 473 00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:30,440 then they biologically reproduce and animals reproduce and we kind of we see we see that as 474 00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:40,920 a miracle too right and it is so it's a profound sacred miracle but can you imagine the miracle 475 00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:50,200 of the resurrection people coming forth out of the grave yeah I I maybe this is one reason why 476 00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:56,440 people don't believe it is because it's too hard for them to believe it goes way beyond anything 477 00:50:56,440 --> 00:51:02,920 that they've caught they could comprehend but there's going to be a physical resurrection 478 00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:11,640 a body and this is so I was talking about Jacob is one witness Abedadai he talks about the resurrection 479 00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:18,520 in detail he talks about the first resurrection gives us the idea that there's a certain order 480 00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:22,680 and there's a first resurrection if there's a first resurrection there's a second resurrection 481 00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:28,760 John calls it the resurrection of the just and the unjust in John chapter five and and so we kind of 482 00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:37,240 have this order and Abedadai talks about that in mosaic chapter 15 16 then we have Abedadai's 483 00:51:37,240 --> 00:51:42,360 great witness of the resurrection which no doubt he has learned from Alma the younger and they're 484 00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:47,000 in their discussions as missionary companions listen listen to what he says here 485 00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:53,800 this the spirit in the body this is the resurrection the spirit in the body shall be 486 00:51:53,800 --> 00:52:02,360 reunited again in its perfect form limb and joint shall be restored to its proper frame 487 00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:09,240 even as we now are at this time and we shall be brought to stand before God knowing even as we 488 00:52:09,240 --> 00:52:14,520 know now and have a bright recollection of all our guilt now this restoration shall come to all 489 00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:21,160 both old and young bond and free male and female both the wicked and the righteous and even 490 00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:29,480 there shall not so much as a hair of their heads be lost but everything shall be restored to its 491 00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:40,680 perfect frame as it as it is now or in the body and shall be brought and be arraigned before the 492 00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:45,960 bar of Christ the Son of God the Father and the Holy Spirit well what's the reference on that one 493 00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:52,680 more time that's Alma chapter 11 43 and 44 I mean it can't get more plain or simple than that 494 00:52:53,800 --> 00:53:03,960 or definitive than that we believe in a bodily resurrection both limb joint hair of your head 495 00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:09,240 everything will be made perfect yeah as it as it is now in perfect form 496 00:53:09,240 --> 00:53:16,680 yeah anyway and then and then we have Alma himself bearing testimony the resurrection in Alma chapter 497 00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:24,200 40 and it goes on through the Book of Mormon I think the greatest evidence of a bodily physical 498 00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:33,720 resurrection especially of Jesus Christ is 3rd Nephi chapter 11 right he appears to 2500 people 499 00:53:33,720 --> 00:53:42,760 and they feel they feel the Prince they thrust their hand into his eye they they feel the physical 500 00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:51,320 body of Jesus Christ that is important to him that they they become eyewitnesses of his physical 501 00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:57,720 resurrection and I believe that we'll have that same that same opportunity Scott so 502 00:53:57,720 --> 00:54:04,040 so thankful so thankful for the restoration of the fullness of the gospel of Christ 503 00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:11,560 that we believe in the literal resurrection bodily physical resurrection of Jesus Christ 504 00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:21,960 that the soul of man is the spirit reunited with the body and that we will all be resurrected 505 00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:28,440 all mankind all living things will be restored in its perfect form or frame 506 00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,880 we'll talk more about the judgment what comes after the resurrection and 507 00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:40,920 probably in the next podcast Scott we will talk let's talk about the order of the resurrection 508 00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:50,040 the first resurrection morning and evening of the term which is unique to I think our theology 509 00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:59,480 and second resurrection morning and evening of the second resurrection so we'll talk maybe more 510 00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:08,600 about that next week as we go through this week our invitation will be for us to start to contemplate 511 00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:15,080 and just wonder and even search the scriptures make it a prayerful meditation perhaps but why 512 00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:20,440 is this important for me why you know we've talked about you know in a general sense why these things 513 00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:26,280 are important but why are these things important to you individually and we will have individual 514 00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:33,320 reasons that why these tender mercies why these instruments of grace why this other pillar of 515 00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:38,600 the atonement of Jesus Christ is so important to us as well as the other ones you know it's easy I 516 00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:44,520 think for me to contemplate Gethsemane it's even easier for me sometimes to contemplate the cross 517 00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:48,840 than maybe the resurrection but let's think about that we'll talk about it again more next week 518 00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:53,720 but then in the meantime between now and then let's think about that especially and again as I say 519 00:55:53,720 --> 00:55:59,480 every week as we particularly the sacrament maybe we consider the things that we've talked about today 520 00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:04,040 why they're so important to us and how they should apply in our lives thanks everybody for being 521 00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:19,960 with us we look forward to being with you again next week and until then be well