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Hey there everybody, happy new year and welcome back to another episode of Redeemed Through

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His Blood. Scott Durfey here as always joined by David Durfey. I know, can you believe that?

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2024. I don't know. I guess my age starts coming out, which I've been a little bit

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resistant to over the last several months, but my age starts coming out because I think

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back and I think Y2K. You remember Y2K? Yeah. Yeah. And what a big deal that was. Yeah,

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that was 24 years ago. I can't believe that. Y2K was huge. You know, we were getting all

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kinds of training. Yeah, I remember El Tom Perry, Elder Perry was, he had that responsibility

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for the church, communication and technology and all of that. I remember all the emails

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that I got as an area director because they were afraid that all our computers and everything

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was going to go down and crash. Anyway, that was pretty intense. Yeah, that was an intense

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time. And that was 24 years ago, Scott. I know, and it feels like it was just like last

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week. So that's why we should do something. We should do a podcast sometime, maybe on the

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second coming in. Yeah. And you know, just, I mean, nobody knows, but there's signs that

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have been fulfilled and there's only a few that haven't and be fun to discuss all that

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because every year we're, I know closer to the Savior coming. I know many of you out

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there are praying for that. I pray for that from time to time and then I know he's coming

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and he'll come in a day in an hour when people are about ready to give up on the idea of

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a second coming. Like the pattern really is in the Book of Mormon, you know, Third Nephi

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and people are going to kill all the believers unless the sign is given and that's the next

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the Nephi praise and the Lord says, well, it's going to happen tomorrow. So and yet

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prophets will tell us, I think, what it's going to happen and not today. I don't think

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they know the day or the hour, but I'll bet they know the year. I think not necessarily

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now, but like again, the pattern, I think the pattern is in the Book of Mormon and President

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Benson in essence used to teach this that that really the pattern for our preparation

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for the second coming is in the Book of Mormon when he appeared to the Nephites and Lamanites

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of Mount of Olif. We would just study the Book of Mormon. We'll see the same things

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going on then that are going on now and we can recognize kind of the pattern and Samuel

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Lamanite told him, you got five years. Well, I wouldn't be surprised if I don't know if

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President Nelson or whoever may be the prophet five years out will will say, Hey, you know,

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you got five years, but I believe they'll know whether they publicly get where they

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feel impressed publicly announced or not. The point is, I guess, is that time moves on

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and every year we get closer to the winding up of all of the things here on this earth.

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And we all look forward to that. Giving patriarchal blessings. I feel that I feel the, you know,

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the Lord wanting to tell his youth, the rising generation about their purpose, part of their

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purpose in this life was to prepare the earth and families for the second coming of Jesus

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Christ. So I believe it's probably closer than we think, but not as close as we want

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to be. There's it seems to me at least there's a couple of different ways to view this. You

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know, there's those that obviously don't believe and I guess there's some apathy attached

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to that, etc. And then there are those that, you know, panic. Oh my gosh, I don't want

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that to happen. I'm not prepared. I'm not ready, you know, but which is out of ignorance

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really. Then that's what I was just going to say, you know, when people come to understand

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the stuff that we teach here in the podcast, you know, about Christ's atonement, the effects

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of the fall, the effects of the atonement. And last week we talked about his sinless

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life and how that is actually one of the necessary events of the atonement of Jesus Christ.

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Well, today as we again move into those things, this is where for me, David, the second coming

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of Jesus Christ becomes a welcomed event, something I look forward to with great anticipation.

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And joyful anticipation because, because when we understand, once I have come to understand

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that it's through his merit that I'm saved, where it's through his merit, through his

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righteousness that my lack of those types of things really are brought to balance, really

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brought to justification through him. That's when the fear of those events that you were

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just talking about kind of dissipate for most of us.

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Yeah, it relieves a lot of stress and anxiety for sure. There's a lot of stress and anxiety

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about about the event we call the second coming, Scott. And I just think if people were more

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confident in Jesus Christ and his atoning sacrifice than they were in themselves, they

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would feel a lot less stress and pressure about the whole ordeal. And if they understood

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that, hey, we're going to continue to live in houses and we're going to continue to have

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children, and there's going to be people who marry and life is going to go on. I mean,

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some of the some of the changes will be dramatic. But sociality will continue on as it is now

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and families will continue to grow. And there'll be mothers and fathers and new babies and

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grandmothers and grandfathers and celebrations and I mean really, Scott, it's the earth will

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change some things will definitely change. Satan will be bound. The wicked will be destroyed.

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Those are all pretty dramatic events. But we'll just continue to live the gospel as we're

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living it now and life will pretty much go on as we know it now. Minus the wickedness

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and evil and all that and some of the effects of the fall that we talked about.

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Yeah, yeah, we'll actually go back into a terrestrial state, which is what Adam and

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Eve were in in the Garden of Eden was a terrestrial state and and now that'll be sweet. But again,

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we'll continue to to live life as much the way we know it. Anyway, we should talk about

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that more some some time and as we begin a new year to Scott, I know that last year when

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we did a podcast, we did a podcast on intentionality, living life with with the intentions with

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changing our being more intentional in how we live our life being more kind of purpose

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driven. What's our purpose and intentional in our in our use of time and in our choices

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and decisions we make and maybe maybe, you know, more of a plan if if God needed a plan,

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how much more important is it for us to have a plan and the importance of planning and carrying

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out our our work and participating in the work of salvation and exaltation. I don't know,

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we won't do a special podcast on that this year, but you can if you if you want to review

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that, you can go back and see. I think that was first. I think it was either the first

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or the second one last year of 2023. Yeah, we did Jorian Mandy Norton and that was a

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you encourage you to also listen to that interview. My goodness, what a great year. Great way

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to start the year with that too. But it's right around there. It's either right for

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or shortly after that one. I just the word intention is always kind of on my mind and

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being more intentional. President Nelson likes that word is use that word a lot. We should

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pray with more intention. We should read the scriptures be a little more intentional and

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in our study of the scriptures, maybe some something a little more systematic. Anyway,

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just how can we make the best use of our our time and our efforts and ultimately developing

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a closer relationship with our savior and our Heavenly Father and having the Holy Ghost

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with us at all times. You talk about intentional. I got on the scales this morning. You gotta

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get intentional. Yeah, I gotta get intentional again. And I say that, you know, I'm a recovering

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alcoholic. I tend to do most things addictively or alcoholically, you know, and that goes

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obsessively. That goes for everything. You know, one day Deb comes home and we have tons

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of scuba gear, for example, you know, I mean, that's just kind of the life and she's like,

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Scott, we don't even know how to dive yet. And I'm like, well, we'll learn and we did.

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And since then I become a dive master, you know, and all that other crazy stuff. It's

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just obsessive. Everything is just all in. Well, yeah, and there's sugar in the house

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right now. Oh, you know, yeah, we've gone through the holidays. Chocolate. I hope chocolate

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exactly. And that can be a problem for me. Anyway, let's not digress. Listen, I'm really

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looking forward to talking about the events of the atonement of Jesus Christ. You know,

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we've just come through Christmas, the holiday season. And and now I really look forward to

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in preparation for the next and the most important holiday season for me, that's Easter for all

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of us at Easter, whether we know it or not. And the things that we talk about today, the

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next it'll probably be the, you know, it was last episode, it'll be this episode and maybe

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at least two more after that, you know, I anticipate being about four episodes around

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the events of the atonement of Jesus Christ. And and as we do this now, we're really putting

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ourselves and for those of us who have not embarked in this kind of way or with this

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kind of depth in understanding and learning the the events of the atonement of Jesus Christ,

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which are important for us to know and we'll talk about why that is as we go along here.

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But as we do this, David, we're really preparing ourselves to have a even a better Easter season

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than maybe we've ever had before. You just use the word intent, you know, maybe maybe

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if we set that intention right now, that we're prepared that when that day comes, because

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I'll be here in just a few months. And when that day comes, that I'm prepared to really

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have the type of experience spiritually that that Heavenly Father has intended for me to

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Yeah, through that. Awesome. Yeah, I'm grateful that we're at that point in the in our podcast,

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in our course to spend this time on the atonement of Jesus Christ, God. And I just want to give

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a few reminders as we launch further and deeper into this into these events.

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And Nelson has tried really hard to tell us that we should not talk about the atonement

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as though it were a separate entity. We shouldn't. I mean, I don't want to get hung up on this

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like people did when President Benson gave that amazing talk on pride. And it's like

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you couldn't even use the word pride in your vocabulary anymore. You couldn't say I'm proud

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of my son or I'm proud of my daughter. You know, it's like pride in the word proud just

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became a no, no to ever use ever. And I'm glad we're finally, I think, over that.

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Yeah, we tend to over rotate sometimes. Yeah, so and I saw I say this with not wanting people

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to become zealot or extreme or obsessive. But but President Nelson has made a really

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great point and others have as well, is that there's no power in the atonement. And we

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shouldn't speak of it as though it's a separate entity. The atonement of Jesus Christ has

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to be associated with him because all of the power through the atonement is ultimately

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through Jesus Christ. There's no power in the atonement. The atonement allowed Jesus

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Christ to administer through the spirit, his mercy, his grace, his redemptive power, his

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enabling power, his compensatory powers and blessings. It's because of the atonement that

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Jesus Christ has power. But there's no power to give to offer us all those gifts. But there's

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no power in and of itself in the atonement. It's it's really through Jesus Christ. So

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we should always associate the atonement with our savior and redeemer and always think of

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the father and his sacrifice in the atonement as well. The incredible gifts since we're

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just coming off Christmas, the incredible gift of offering his son and to be a father

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and to witness your son going through that degree of suffering and pain for all your

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other children is something we ought to also keep in mind when we speak of this. So one

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more reminder that from Preach My Gospel, we read in page two, my favorite quote from

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Preach My Gospel, as your understanding of the atonement of Jesus Christ grows, you get

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that as your understanding, not just knowledge, understanding, which means mind and heart and

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experience. Yeah, as you thank you as your understanding of the atonement of Jesus Christ

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grows, your desire to share and I include and live the gospel will increase. Honestly,

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Scott, it's the key to how we how we live. It's the key to everything that we do. It

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gives us the pondering, the grandeur of the atonement. Elder Scott gives us the gratitude,

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which gives us desire, which the atonement of Jesus Christ will then give us the mercy,

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the grace, the joy, the peace, everything that we need, the power we need to live the

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gospel. And again, we still won't be sinless and we need it every day and we'll be repenting

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daily, all through Jesus Christ and His atonement. So really, this this should be just the the

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center of our thoughts and our lives. And as our understanding increases, so will our

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ability, our desire first and our ability to live the gospel will increase. So last

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time we talked about a sinless life and how what a sacrifice that was, that's such an

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important part of the sacrifice we call the atonement is that Jesus could not sin and

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He was tempted more than any mortal man can possibly be tempted. And we read all those

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scriptures that He suffered it over and over again. Temptation, He suffered it. He was

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attacked directly by Satan. And if he would have given into those temptations of 40 days

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in the wilderness, then the whole plan would be frustrated. But our father knew that his

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son would not and his son wanted to perfectly fulfill the will of the father. So we are

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so blessed that Jesus was willing and able and paid the price to live a sinless life.

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And I think about that a lot. How hard that must have been for him. Any more thoughts on

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that before we jump into the second part of the events of the atonement?

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No, I think that we've done. I don't know that you can ever do a completely adequate

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job covering that part of it. But you know, in the last episode, our last podcast, we

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did spend that entire almost the entire thing talking about the sinless life, how important

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it was, how difficult it was, even though He is God. Deb and I over the Christmas holiday,

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we were able to with our Institute class do a three part series around Christmas. And

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one of the things that we really talked about the second week that it was called, Oh, come

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let us adore Him. That was what we entitled it. But the second week we talked about the

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fall of Adam and Eve and how important it is or the fall of all mankind, I should say,

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and how important it is that we understand that the fall of Adam and Eve of all mankind

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so that we can really understand the depth of which what we're talking about here when

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it comes to the atonement of Jesus Christ. And I think that that's the same when it comes

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to his sinless life. It's so easy for us for me. And I think it's probably all I think,

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you know, we as a culture, maybe as a society, look at Jesus Christ and think, Well, he lived

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a perfect life. He lived a sinless life. You know, we say perfect life. We that means something

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a little different as we come to know. But he lived a perfect lie or a sinless life.

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And we think, Well, yeah, he was Jesus. Of course, he lived a sinless life. And I think

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that we just kind of we just kind of fly by that without really putting the kind of energy

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and attention that it deserves. It wasn't all that. I mean, it was difficult. That was

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a big deal. It was a big deal. And it's not something that Jesus just sauntered through

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life, living a sinless life because he was Jesus. And that quote by C. S. Lewis is where,

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you know, nobody knows how great the temptation is when they give into it because we gave

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into it. Yeah, you cut it short when you give into it. We'll never know Jesus. Jesus never

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cut it short. No, he followed it to the end degree. And I know every day he was tempted

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every day he was tempted with all of the negative emotions and feelings and actions and sins

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right that are available to all of us. And I don't think it necessarily made it easier

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because he was a God. In fact, I think because he was a God in some ways, it made it even

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more difficult because he felt it deeper and other reasons because he could suffer. Yeah.

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Well, and so I think that it's important that we just emphasize if we don't fill that to

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the depth of our soul, the importance of the sinless life and not just the importance,

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but the difficulty around it and what all of that meant. I mean, I have a difficult

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time living a sinless moment. Yeah. You know, some some hyperbole there, but not a lot.

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You know, and so that's, you know, that's something that I think that if we just do

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a flyby on that, which we haven't, but it can be tempting for us to do a flyby on that.

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Let's not do that. Let's understand the depth and the meaning behind that sinless life as

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we move into these next parts. So as we we are talking about the events of the atonement

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and after we talk about the events in the next two or three podcasts and finish that

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up, we'll talk about all the effects of the atonement to really deepen our understanding

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of the atonement. You have to understand the events and the effects. So there are four

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events we call the atonement one, his sinless life and second is Gethsemane. So I think

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it's interesting, Scott, to kind of review the last 24 hours of Jesus's life and think

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about this and our listeners may want to turn to the back of their Bible and look at the

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map of Jerusalem and kind of go through this themselves and just review the events of the

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last 24 hours of his life. You know, he starts in the upper room to celebrate Passover with

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his disciples. That's on a Thursday evening, which is really for them Friday morning, which

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is the day of paschal lamb sacrifice and Passover. And he initiates the sacrament and tells

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them to take some bread and some wine and which represents his flesh and his blood.

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He gives them some of his greatest discourses in the upper room. Many of that is recorded

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by John in John chapter 12 13 14 15. I mean, about a third of John is what happens in the

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upper room, which is amazing. Some of his best discourses. He then tells his disciples

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that that after they sing him, and he's identified as betrayer that night in the upper room,

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Judas after he's washed their all of their feet, including Judas. I don't know that

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just that just really touches me that Jesus washes Judas's feet before Judas leaves to

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do his his dirty deed of betrayal. And then they sing him. The last thing they do in the

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upper rooms, they sing him. That's kind of on the southeastern part of Jerusalem, the

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upper room. And after they sing him, then they go to get 70. I remember being near where

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the upper room is the upper room, of course, doesn't really exist. I mean, after after

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the Romans destroyed Jerusalem, there wasn't much left of what is originally in Jesus's

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day. But we kind of know where it was. And I remember walking, you know, from the upper

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room over to get 70 and trying to have an experience and try to feel what they were

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feeling. And we will read about this in a moment here in the scriptures. But I just

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let me review the 24 hours here. So they go to the guest 70. And Jesus suffers and bleeds

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from every poor in guess 70. We'll talk about that more detail. And then he's betrayed.

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And he's arrested. And then he's taken to Caiaphas Palace, which is kind of back near

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not far from where the upper room was. Then he's taken to Antonio Fortress, which is the

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Pilate's Palace, where the governor stays, which is kind of in the northern part of the

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city within the walls of Jerusalem. And he goes through kind of a trial there. Then he's

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then sent to Herod and he goes to Herod. And keep in mind, this is all after bleeding

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from every poor that he's doing this. We'll talk about that more in a minute. And then

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he goes back to Antonio Fortress after being with Herod, stripped and placed a robe, purple

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robe on him. And he goes back to hair to pilot and pilot to offers Jesus or Braavis. And

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they, the Jews want Jesus crucified. So Braavis is set free, which is identified as a thief

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in one of the gospels and a murderer in another. I think Pilate picked the worst, the worst

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criminal in Jerusalem to offer the Jews. And they, they chose Braavis over Jesus. And

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then he's scourged, crosses placed on his back, keep in mind this after bleeding from

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every poor. And he then collapses under the weight of the cross on his way to Golgotha,

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send me and carries it the rest of the way. And by 9am Friday morning, he is crucified

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on the cross. So really 12 hours. The last 12 hours or 14, 15 hours of Jesus's life is

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from the upper room walking probably about five miles. They estimate after going through

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all that suffering and then nailed on the cross Friday morning. The Lamb of God so

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offered on the cross. So then he's resurrected, of course, three days later or the third day

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after. So we'll talk more about the crucifixion resurrection. That's just a review, Scott,

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of Jesus's last few hours as a mortal. Well, he goes to get some and I again, I think I

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said this in the last podcast. I can't, you did. We can't just talk about this. We have

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to read it. We have to read the holy, the holy word, the holy bread, the scriptures,

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I think they're inspired and they're from witnesses and there's a feeling about them

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and I have learned over the many years of teaching the events of the Atonement of Jesus

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Christ that you have to read it. You can't just tell it. There's, it gives, there's more

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authority in reading it and there's more of a feeling, I think, in reading it as described

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by Matthew and Mark and Luke and John. So the Gospel writers who were witnesses of these

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things. Let's go to Matthew 26 verses 36 through 39 in Matthew. Before I read this, I just

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opened my scriptures and I have a little olive leaf here. Yeah, from the Garden of

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Geshe. We were there just in March. You'll have olive trees there. They do. Some of them

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in a fenced area. They estimate those trees 2000 years old. Yeah, the other very old.

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Matthew 26 verse 36, then come with Jesus with him to the place called Yesemini and

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he said unto the disciples, Sit ye here while I go and pray yonder. And he took with him

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Peter and the two sons of Zebedee. We know that to be James and John. And began to be

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sorrowful and very heavy. And if we read the, we'll read the Mark account of that, but

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it's actually his three disciples who become very sorrowful and very heavy. The Joseph

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Smith translation makes that more clear that the three disciples are the ones who are beginning

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to feel sorrowful and very heavy. But in verse 38 we read how Jesus is feeling. Then say

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eth he unto them, My soul is exceedingly sorrowful, even unto death. Terri ye here and watch with

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me. So let's pause in 38 for a minute, Scott. What comes to your mind when you read my soul?

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This is Jesus speaking to his disciples. My soul is exceedingly sorrowful, even unto

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death. Yeah. For Jesus Christ, the Son of God, to say I'm sorrowful, even unto death.

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I mean, we understand, we have a glimpse of the power or the meaning behind that only

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because we have a glimpse of his, the enormity of his power, the enormity of his grace and

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everything, all that he is. And that helps us to understand that because how can Jesus

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be sorrowful, even unto death? And I think he's surprised by it. Scott, you know, Elder

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Maxwell said that, like you just said, that Jesus cognitively knew what was about to happen.

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I mean, I don't know how much of the details he understood, but he cognitively knew what

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he was there to do. And yet experientially, when he began to experience it, I think it

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was, well, it was more than he could have ever cognitively understood before he went

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there. Sorrowful, even unto death. Terry here and watch with me. And then verse 39, get

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to this description. And he went a little further and fell on his face and prayed, saying,

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Oh, my father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me. Nevertheless, not as I will,

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fell on his face. That doesn't sound like a serene prayer. It doesn't sound like kneeling

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kneeling at a rock with his arms folded or his hands clasped together. Father, if it

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be thy will, I mean, this this is fell on his face. That that sounds desperate. That

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sounds painful. That sounds the groanings. I'm sure that we're coming from his from

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his spirit and what he was already beginning to fill before even before the suffering

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I just think that's amazing that we we most people, I think kind of picture him because

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of Anderson and other artists who have pictured him kneeling in the garden. I my favorite

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picture of him is when I did. I don't know who the painter is, but I have a painting

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of of an angel kneeling down while Jesus is laid out flat on the ground. You know, I

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mean it. It laid him out and that that's even before he bled from every poor. So anyway,

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that's Matthew's account. Let's go to Mark's account in Mark chapter 14. Again, we're we're

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focusing on Gethsemane here first 32 through 36.

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Verse 32. And they came to a place which was named Gethsemane and Gethsemane. We should

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maybe say the press, the oil press. Can we take a minute on that for just a second?

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Because you know, the the oil press Gethsemane, meaning the oil press. And you know, that's

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always to me meant something. But when we went there this last spring, it became even

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more than knowing around it became even more poignant. Because you know what what happens

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in an oil press and I won't get into all the details, but you can look this up and

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it's quite amazing. There's three processes to the oil press. We'll see we'll see that

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represented here. Yeah, in this experience in Gethsemane. Yeah. And in each process,

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there's a of the press and it's a literal press. What is happening is, is the weight

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of the the oil press itself is pressing and crushing the olives and everything in it and

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creating this oil to to to come out crushing the pits, everything, olive and oil oozing.

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no defense they have against this weight, not intended, but there is no defense against

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this weight. And so as we understand, and those imageries will come even greater to

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light as we go through this, if you'll allow those to just let those would be at work in

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your brain because because of the because of the imagery there. So going back to Mark

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1432, and they came to a place which was what named Gethsemane. And he saith to his disciples,

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sit ye here while I pray. And he taketh with him Peter and James and John and began to

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be sore amazed. And let me let me just have you pause there for a minute. And let me read

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the JST. Okay, they came to a place which was named Gethsemane, which was a garden.

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And the disciples, the disciples began to be sore amazed. Be and began to be very heavy

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and to complain in their hearts, wondering if this be the Messiah. So they're they're

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having doubts, they're having doubts, depression. I mean, I think Satan's working on them.

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with this sore amazed, very heavy and complaining in their hearts, wondering if this be the Messiah.

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So that's that gives us more information what they're feeling. I think they're just really,

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really depressed. And Jesus knowing their heart said to his disciples, set ye here while

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I shall pray. So that gives us a little more information in Joseph Smith translation. So

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let's let's go back to 3434 and he saith unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful unto

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death, Terry, you hear him watch. There it is again, second witness that Jesus himself,

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a God is his soul is so exceedingly sorrowful that he feels like death would be welcome

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to him. And he went forward a little and fell on the ground and prayed that if it were possible,

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the hour might pass from him. And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto

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the take away this cup from me. Nevertheless, not I will, but what thou will.

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So a little more information. I mean, he tells us Mark agrees with Matthew or Matthew agrees

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with Mark that he fell on the ground. And then he cries out Abba and Abba of course is a

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more intimate familial title for Father. It literally means I guess, Daddy. I mean, he

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just is really crying out Daddy if it be possible. Anyway, that's that paints quite a picture,

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I think that title of his relationship with his dad and cries out Daddy if it be possible.

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Yeah, again, not cognitively knowing, but not experientially really having any idea how

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hard it's going to be. Let's turn to Luke 22 and read Luke 22. The synoptic Gospel

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writers Matthew, Mark and Luke record more, more what happened in Gethsemane. John doesn't

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record much about what happens in Gethsemane. He spent most of his time describing what

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happened in the upper room, but versus Luke 22 versus 39 through 44. Scott, and he came

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out and went as he want to the Mount of Olives and and get 70 is right at the foot of the

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Mount of Olives. So when he says Mount of Olives, that's still get 70 because get 70

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is right at the bottom of the just outside the walls of Jerusalem. Yeah, actually. Before

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you begin to send up on the Mount of Olives between the Mount of Olives, and then you

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cross over the Valley of Death, and then you have the Kidron Valley, the Kidron Valley,

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right? 39 and it came and he came out and went as he want on to the Mount of Olives,

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and his disciples also followed him. And when he was at the place, he said unto them, pray

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that ye enter not into temptation. And he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast

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and kneeled down and prayed, saying, Father, if thou be willing, move this cup from me,

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nevertheless not my will, but thine be done. And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven,

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strengthening him. And being in agony, he prayed more earnestly, and his sweat as it

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were, great drops of blood falling to the ground. So we learned that an angel appears

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to him to strengthen him in the Luke account. We also learned that as Luke records it, or

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as it's recorded in the King James Version in the Bible, that his sweat was as it were,

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great drops of blood falling to the ground. Well, so nowhere in the Scripture, Scott,

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nowhere in the Bible, nowhere in the Bible does it say that Jesus bled from every pore.

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That is a unique and precious point of doctrine that we have as members of the Church of Jesus

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Christ of Latter-day Saints because of the Book of Mormon. In the translation of the Book

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of Mormon, King Benjamin had angels show him all of what happened through the events of

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the Atonement of Jesus Christ. And King Benjamin shares that with those who were gathered at

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the temple. And he tells them, Jesus' pain was so great that he bled from every pore.

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Let's read that in Mosiah chapter 3, verse 7, Scott.

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And lo, he shall suffer temptations and pain of body, hunger, thirst, and fatigue, even

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more than man can suffer except it be unto death. For behold, blood cometh from every

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pore, so great shall be his anguish for the wickedness and abomination of his people.

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Blood cometh from every pore. That's the first place that appears in the Scriptures. And

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the first place Joseph Smith would have learned that or known that. I mean, you can maybe

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somewhat get the idea reading Luke, but Luke doesn't say anything about every pore. And

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in fact, most, not all, but most Christians believe that Jesus sweat in the Garden of

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Gethsemane. They don't even, many of them do not even believe that he bled at all in

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Gethsemane. I've told this before in our other podcast last year, but I had some time in

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Minneapolis while I was in Minnesota to to call about 30 different churches. I just went

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through the yellow pages and just went down the yellow pages calling the Church of God

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and Presbyterian and Methodist and Catholics. And you realize you just dated yourself? Well,

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I know people don't know what the yellow pages are anymore, but the old folks will remember

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the telephone book yellow pages. Yeah, that's right. And I just went to churches and I just

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started going down the list. And there were several pages, of course, and I did about

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30. And I would just call it, I would say, Hey, I have a theological question. Is the

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pastor or minister or priest or whoever in and whichever church I was talking to. And

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then the secretary would say yes, if I, if I caught them at the right time. So they would

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come on and I'd say, Hey, I'm reading the Bible in Luke 22 44. It says that his sweat

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was as it were like great drops of blood falling to the ground. And what does that mean? What's

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happening there? So I just was honestly wanting to know how they how they saw that or how

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they interpreted that. And out of all of those, I only had two who said that they believed

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that he was that he was sweating blood. All the others said we were not sure we don't really

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know they were, you know, kind of vague. And some of them said I remember specifically

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one say he was sweating profusely thinking about the blood that he would shed on the

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cross. So, you know, I think that we are just so blessed, really, to have a little deeper

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understanding to what really happened. I mean, it's, it is so humbling for us to think about

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him in Gethsemane being bruised for our iniquities. I mean, really think about what it means to

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bleed from every poor Scott. I mean, a bruise is that a vessel or usually just a capillary

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are really bad bruises that several capillaries have have been broken. And we see a bruise

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as a result. But I mean, to bleed from every poor capillaries, veins, arteries, he his

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circulatory system has has completely collapsed under the under the constriction of stress,

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the press, the press, the press and the constriction upon him. And literally, his heart has broken,

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his circulatory system is broken. He no longer is able to live based upon just, you know,

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being human. He this is where his Godhood has to kick in human power has no longer been

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able to sustain him. His Godhood kicks in so that he can endure everything that follows

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from Gethsemane on and everything from Gethsemane on Scott. I mean, his Godhood kicked in so

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he could do it. But his Godhood did not lessen the pain. I love that quote by Elder Callister.

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I should just read it here. The Savior submitted to the inhumanity of man, his body longed

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for sleep. He hungered. He felt the pains of sickness. He was in all respects subjected

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to every mortal failing experienced by the human family. Not once did he raise the shield

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of Godhood in order to soften the blows. Not once did he done the bulletproof vest of divinity

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that he also had godly powers did not make his suffering any less excruciating, any less

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poignant or any less real to the contrary. It is for this very reason that his suffering

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was more not less than his mortal counterparts could experience. He took upon him infinite

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suffering but chose to defend with only mortal faculties with but one exception. His Godhood

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was summoned to hold off unconsciousness and death, the twin relief mechanisms of man that

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otherwise would overpower a mere mortal when he reached his threshold of pain. For the

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Savior, however, there would be no such relief. His divinity would be called upon not to immunize

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him from pain but to enlarge the receptacle that would hold it. He simply brought a larger

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cup to hold the bitter drink. So as we go through these events and the suffering, it's

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important to understand the role of his Godhood and the immortality of his life because of

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his father being Elohim or Heavenly Father. That is why he could endure all of this pain

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without it being lessened, without it being less extreme. He could endure all of it and

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not die more than man can suffer as King Benjamin puts it. The only other place where we can

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read that Jesus bled from every pore is in the Doctrine and Covenants section 19, Scott.

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And again, this revelation would have come after Joseph Smith had learned about what

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King Benjamin saw and taught in Mosiah chapter 3. But I love this account in section 19 because

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it's the voice of the Lord and it's in first person. So if you'll maybe start in about

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verse 16, Scott, section 19.

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For behold, I God have suffered these things for all that they might not suffer if they

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would repent, but if they would not repent, they must suffer even as I. Which suffering

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caused myself, even God, the greatest of all to tremble because of pain and to bleed at

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every pore and to suffer both body and spirit and would that I might not drink the bitter

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cup and shrink. Nevertheless, glory be to the Father and I partook and finished my preparations

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unto the children of men.

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Isn't that amazing?

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That's beautiful.

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The first person, he acknowledges his Godhood and he acknowledges his infinite suffering.

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Whatever he is through his atonement, unleashing the power of grace that will allow me not

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just to be with him as a joint heir in eternity, but to deal with whatever life's challenges

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that may come my way here in mortality as well, which is also an important part of my

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learning experience around his atonement, Dave.

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And Scott, this is really only where it begins. It's not finished in Gethsemane.

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In fact, we'll talk about this in more detail, but the suffering on the cross was even worse

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than Gethsemane.

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But this is where it starts and it's incomprehensible. I think it's also important to look at count

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that talks about the angel to think about God sending an angel to him in the garden

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to strengthen him.

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And I often think, what did he say? What would the angel say? Maybe there were no words spoken,

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but how what did the angel do or say to help help strengthen him?

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Elder Mcconkey believed and stated that the angel would have been Adam.

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You know, Michael, great archangel who would have come to strengthen him.

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And I think if that's true that Wow, what did Adam say to Jesus as he's suffering there

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for all of the sins of mankind, which Adam and Eve brought into the world?

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What could Adam possibly say to help strengthen him to help him understand, you know, the

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necessity of what he was doing and help him to endure it?

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I don't know. I like to reflect upon that. I think if Adam were there, besides all the

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other things he would say to strengthen him, he maybe said, I'm just I'm sorry. I'm just

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so sorry you have to do this. But there is no other way.

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Just as you know, Eve learned in the Garden of Eden, there is no other way.

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I think I think it's kind of beautiful to think about that if it was Adam. Because here

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is Adam and and Jesus who Jesus under the direction of Elohim, our Heavenly Father,

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created the world. Yeah, this. Yeah.

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And then Adam. So that was the first pillar of the plan of salvation, right?

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First, the eternity, the creation. And then the second pillar being the fall of mankind

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or the fall of Adam and Eve. Adam was obviously instrumental and involved in that.

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And now you would have definitely been there and appeared to them.

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That's right. And now here we have the answer to the fall of Adam and Eve. And and of course,

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that's Jesus's Jesus Christ's job to to to set that off for us through the through his

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atonement and the things that we're talking about here. So I for me, there's just some

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sort of beautiful poetry, some sort of beautiful divinity and all of that if it were.

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And I like the friendship between Jehovah and Michael. Yeah.

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Yeah. I mean, they were they were so close and so I think it's touching to reflect on

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that experience of the angel and then Jesus. So in Gethsemane, after the angel and after

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he's bled from every poor, I love how they how in the Bible videos that the church made,

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they they show Jesus going to the Kidron Brook and kind of washing himself off. Maybe some

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of the blood running into the Kidron Brook and somewhat cleansing himself before he's

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betrayed and and arrested. I just think that's kind of interesting to consider, you know,

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that he's even though he's bled from every poor, he he has an opportunity to go over

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there and kind of cleanse some of that with water. And then he's arrested and for 30 pieces

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of silver, the price of a slave in the Old Testament, Judas and the Roman soldiers come

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and and Peter cuts off the air of Malthus and Jesus restores his ear and kind of chastises

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Peter. And then he goes through a mockery of a trial and ends up at the House of Caiaphas

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where they spit in his face where he spit upon where he's rebuked. And then early in

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the morning is taken to Antonio Fortress. I just want to say some things about guest

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70 before we close the podcast. Everything after guest 70 would be intensified Scott

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because of what he experienced in guest 70. I mean, I this is the ultimate meaning of

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quote. He was wounded. This is a benedict quoting Isaiah. This Isaiah 53 and Mosiah 14. He

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was wounded for our transgressions. He was bruised for our iniquities. I mean, he was

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his whole body would have been bruised his face when they slapped him. It would have

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been so much more painful than just any slap because his whole face was bruised when they

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slapped him. Even Judas's kiss. Such a hypocrisy of Judas kissing him on the cheek would have

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been painful because he was so bruised by the bleeding from every poor. He was wounded

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for our transgressions. He was bruised for our iniquities. The chastisement of our peace

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was upon him and with his stripes we are healed. Love the description that Isaiah sees of

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this. In Jesus the Christ, Scott Elder Talmage writing Jesus the Christ in the Salt Lake

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Temple. I'm always, you know, the context of the coming forth of this book is pretty amazing.

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We're on the few books that still continues to endure. Anyway, Elder Talmage, this is

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how he describes it. Christ's agony in the garden is unfathomable by the finite mind,

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both as to intensity and cause. He struggled and groaned under a burden such as no other being

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who has lived on the earth might even conceive as possible. Not just, not more than man can

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experience, but more than man can even conceive as possible. It was not physical pain nor mental

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anguish alone that caused him to suffer such torture as to produce an extrusion of blood

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from every poor, but it was the spiritual agony of soul such as only God was capable

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of experiencing. No other man, however great his powers of physical or mental endurance

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could have suffered as much. So I love that. It wasn't the physical. It was the spiritual,

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more than anything else. It was everything. It was physical. It was emotional. It was mental. It was

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more than anything else spiritual to take upon himself the sins and the suffering of all mankind

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to take upon himself all of the negatives of all mankind as a result of the fall. I believe that

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in the garden and again on the cross at 12 noon, three hours after he's been on the cross and it

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turns completely dark, I believe he suffers spiritual death in a mortal body. That's that's

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got to be the one. We can't conceive it. We can't comprehend it how how painful that that would be

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to be especially maybe for him in a way as close to his father as he was as innocent as he was as

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as as pure as he was to take upon himself and fill the effects of all of the sins, all of the

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the evil, dirty, awful sins of all the world and actually be cut off from the presence of God and

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be all alone. Well, at least in the garden, he had an angel on the cross. There will be no one.

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And that's why when we talk about the cross on our next podcast, we'll talk about how the really the

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the zenith to his suffering was on the cross from 12 noon until 3 p.m.

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Ah, it's kind of always wears me out talking about this. God, I just

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made the kind of heart wrenching. It's I know I cause some of his pain. I'm grateful that he was

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as willing to suffer for me as President Faust puts it, you know, President Faust puts I wonder how

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many I wonder how many drops he shed for me. This idea of bleeding from every every poor

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is in the medical in the medical field, they would actually call that he metedrosis.

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He was blood and to drossus means that it comes through the pores and it's a I'm just reading

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here from the male clinic. He metedrosis a very rare condition in which a person sweats blood.

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Under the pressure of great stress, the vessels constrict then rupture. The blood goes into the

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sweat glands and comes out of the pores as droplets of blood mixed with sweat. The effects on the body

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is that of weakness and mild to moderate dehydration from the severe anxiety and both the blood and

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sweat loss. Another effect is that the skin becomes extremely tender and bruised so that any pressure

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or damage to the skin is more than ordinarily painful. So again any touch from anyone as they

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as they press up against him as he's as he's trying to carry the beam on his back any touch to his

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skin at all after Gethsemane would have been exponentially increased because of what he

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experienced there from bleeding from every poor. Even the weight of his own robe.

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Yeah. Yeah and think about the effects of dehydration. I mean he's completely dehydrated.

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And I don't think I've ever experienced that in my life but I know my wife does. You know Chris

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got gets so dehydrated sometimes that she just well in Egypt I guess she was I was close to losing her

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when we were in Egypt. She became so dehydrated and so nauseous and so sick that so I he's feeling

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all of that as well. Anyway there's no way we can adequately describe we have no words to really

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communicate. I think the the divinity and holiness and sacred nature of what happens

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in Gethsemane Scott. But I feel such humility and gratitude for not only what he did but

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but for the love in which he did it for me for you hope that our listeners

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will begin to feel some of that as well. There is no way that any of us can really understand

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what it was that Jesus went through during those hours and days or whatever during this process.

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But if we pray and ask Heavenly Father to help us with the spiritual eye and with the spiritual

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understanding understand that we're likely to have a great experience with that. We will have a

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deeper exposure to and a deeper experience as we begin to understand the suffering that took place

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and how that suffering was affected. There is a cause and effect here. There is a cause on our

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part. The effect was the suffering and how that cause was due to us. Now that will come by way

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of solution to us. If we pray for that as we seek that out as we ask Heavenly Father to give us

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that experience I think he'll give it to us but he'll give it to us in a way that'll help us see

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that as a solution. So that, and this is my invitation for this week, so that when we go to

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the sacrament table on Sunday and we hear the words of the sacrament prayer and we recognize that we

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are taking these things in similitude of the blood and of the body of the Savior of the world

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and as we take those things into us I hope and pray that we will have the wherewithal

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to approach that experience this coming Sunday and every Sunday hereafter now with that intent of

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help me to understand, help me to know, and not only help me to know the experience but help me

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to know the effects of the experience. Help me to feel those effects which we'll be talking about

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and identifying in upcoming podcasts but you don't have to wait for those podcasts to feel those

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effects you know pray that God will allow those effects to be felt by us as we do that each week

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and take his name upon us as we remember him. Thanks for being with us everybody we appreciate

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your participation as always again it's been a while since I've made mention of the email address

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but please don't hesitate to send us questions or experiences or thoughts too he redeems us at

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gmail.com thanks for being with us we look forward to being with you next week and until then be well