1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:20,560 Hey there everybody welcome out to another episode of Redeemed Through His Blood. 2 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,520 Scott Durfey here is always joined by David Durfey. 3 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:24,520 How are you Dave? 4 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:25,520 Great Scott. 5 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:31,640 When our listeners hear this they will have celebrated Christmas and we hope and pray they 6 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:37,200 enjoyed the spirit of the season and we even hope that Santa Claus came and all that good 7 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:38,200 stuff. 8 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:43,240 No doubt no doubt fun time of year and I'm grateful for this time of year I'm grateful 9 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:48,280 for all that goes on but I'm mostly grateful for the reason for the season and we're going 10 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:55,480 to be talking about that reason for the next I don't know that all of the episodes left 11 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:58,360 this year you know that is our focus. 12 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:00,360 We're kind of in the heart of it now aren't we Scott? 13 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:08,680 We really are the reason so you know we over the last episode and a half we've really focused 14 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:12,320 on Christmas so I think it would be a good idea for us to just kind of bring us back 15 00:01:12,320 --> 00:01:19,000 to center here remind us of where we've been in terms of the podcast curriculum itself. 16 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:24,560 Well so here we are let's kind of recap some of the important components or important parts 17 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:28,960 are all important but let's talk about some of those things so we can remind ourselves 18 00:01:28,960 --> 00:01:33,960 or get ourselves back in the mode as we move into the answer to the fall Dave. 19 00:01:33,960 --> 00:01:37,360 Well we're anxious to talk about the atonement of Jesus Christ because that really is the 20 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:44,240 heart of it but we need to understand why we just kind of need to bridge the gap between 21 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:52,080 the fall and the atonement and help our listeners and remind ourselves why they're needed to 22 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:54,240 really be in atonement. 23 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:55,920 Why did there have to be an atonement? 24 00:01:55,920 --> 00:02:01,720 Why did he have to suffer bleed and die for me for you? 25 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,160 So I think that's what we should talk about. 26 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:12,160 I think I've mentioned this before in previous podcasts and I also want to say Scott that 27 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:17,520 you know this is a course of instruction it's a podcast but we're following a course that 28 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:25,200 was taught in the book that was written by Elder Anderson the Divine Gift of Forgiveness 29 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:32,800 and all of this leads us up through this course we talked about who we are and whose we are 30 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:37,640 the identity then we talked about the fall now we're going to talk about the atonement 31 00:02:37,640 --> 00:02:45,840 of Jesus Christ and the events and the effects of the atonement of Jesus Christ that's going 32 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:51,680 to be the next two or three or four podcasts and then we'll talk about the application 33 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:58,360 of the atonement of Jesus Christ which leads us to the doctrine of Christ which is faith 34 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:05,520 in the Lord Jesus Christ repentance ordinances and receiving the Holy Ghost and enduring 35 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:12,560 to the end so that's kind of the course that we're following and again we're not going 36 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:17,840 to rush through through this part of it because this is kind of the fulcrum really that all 37 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:26,080 this course rests on is I think understanding the atonement of Jesus Christ once we understand 38 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:31,240 the atonement of Jesus Christ according to one of my favorite quotes from the brother 39 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:40,040 in Nelder Scott when we understand it we are filled with immense gratitude which provides 40 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:48,040 us the motivation we need to live the gospel and to repent I know that's true I know gratitude 41 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:53,160 is the beginning of desire and what I always think of that that saying which I know we've 42 00:03:53,160 --> 00:04:00,320 used in the past a lot gratitude for what gratitude for the atonement of Jesus Christ 43 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:05,920 and it and really Scott when we understand the atonement of Jesus Christ it changes how 44 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:13,760 we see everything it changes how we see ourselves and whose we are it changes how we see others 45 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:18,960 it changes how we see the world it changes how we live I mean really the essence of the 46 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:26,360 atonement of Jesus Christ Christ was captured by somebody who said he gave his life so that 47 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:33,080 you could change yours well when we understand the atonement Jesus Christ Scott it does change 48 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:42,440 our life completely elder ooke dwarf quoting David O. McKay you know in a kind of paraphrasing 49 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:49,440 and I've I've always believed this that whatever let me just read this this is a elder ooke 50 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:55,880 dwarf paraphrasing a quote by President David O. McKay what you sincerely in your heart think 51 00:04:55,880 --> 00:05:05,160 of Christ his birth his life and atonement will ultimately determine who you are what 52 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:14,160 you do and how you live that's everything that changes everything yeah it leaves that 53 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:21,240 nothing out what you do what was it what you do what you who you are who you are what you 54 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:29,240 do and how you live right and I I love the from in preach my gospel it says as your 55 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:37,720 understanding of the atonement of Jesus Christ grows your desire to live the gospel and to 56 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:47,600 share the gospel will increase so we're not going to rush through the next part of this 57 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:56,040 course which is try to help all of us to better understand and especially to more deeply appreciate 58 00:05:56,040 --> 00:06:03,360 be grateful for the atonement of Jesus Christ you were just talking about how the atonement 59 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:08,480 of Jesus Christ changes us and in a couple of great quotes there I love that one word 60 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:15,000 elder Christ offers and recapping or re quoting President McKay where he says it changes who 61 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:22,840 we are what you do and how you live but you know it also can change our vision or our 62 00:06:22,840 --> 00:06:28,320 view of things that have taken place in our life it can change us from being a yeah it 63 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:32,120 can change us from being a victim to having an opportunity to put on the atonement of 64 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:37,760 Jesus Christ for example it can change all of the things that we see that has happened 65 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:43,480 to us and put that in a different perspective because even those things that happened to 66 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:48,400 us that were really out of our control and we'll talk about this as we go right but the 67 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:53,120 atonement of Jesus Christ covers that too right through his compensatory blessing we'll 68 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:58,000 get into what all of that means and how that applies as we go through this but it's important 69 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:04,160 for us I think right out of the gate to maybe be in anticipation of letting the atonement 70 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:08,760 of Jesus Christ change the events or how we see the events of the things that have happened 71 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:15,600 to us that we have kept in our lives and that sometimes motivate us or perpetuate feelings 72 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:23,480 of inadequacy or less than or I'll never make it or those kinds of things because it really 73 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:28,320 not only changes who we are the changes how we it should change and can change how we 74 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:33,680 see things from our past and from the future in the future to Dave and really Scott if 75 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:42,080 we understand it it changes not just our life in general it changes us moment by moment 76 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:50,560 hour hour by hour I mean it it it permeates everything about our life it it affects as 77 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:55,560 you say our perspective how we see things not just ourselves but how we see our situation 78 00:07:55,560 --> 00:08:01,480 or circumstances it changes everything I let me read this quote get this out of the way 79 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:07,920 get your thoughts on this this is elder Chris Dofferson in general conference few years ago 80 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:13,760 we do not need to achieve some minimum level of capacity or goodness before God will help 81 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:23,440 us divine aid can be ours every hour of every day no matter where we are in the path of 82 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:31,040 obedience so what's your take on that well so this is great because so often and I know 83 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:35,080 you've probably heard this too but I hear this a lot especially in the rooms of recovery 84 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:41,200 but even as an elders corn president I hear this a lot from members right where we know 85 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:45,600 that when we have this distance which is created again by the fall through the spiritual and 86 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:51,080 physical death when we have this distance between us and all things spiritual specifically 87 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:57,160 our heavenly father right and all that he has available to us but when when we have 88 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:03,000 that distance when we have all of that taking place in our lives sometimes we can use that 89 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:07,280 as an excuse and I've heard it I've even said it you know I'm not worthy to go to heavenly 90 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:11,200 father right now to ask for his help I got to get a few things lined up before I do 91 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:17,000 that when I do that then I will feel more worthy as though I was going to talk to a 92 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:21,720 bishop or a state where does that come from well what where do you think I mean I mean 93 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:27,360 I know it comes from ourselves no but it but it really the source of that comes from the 94 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:33,000 accuser exactly because that's an accusation title yeah his title of being the accuser 95 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:37,680 right you're not worthy you're not good enough you get you can you know God doesn't want 96 00:09:37,680 --> 00:09:42,680 to hear from you he accuses us night and day and just like in Revelation chapter 12 right 97 00:09:42,680 --> 00:09:49,720 where we talk about the accuser how do we negate that through the blood of the lamb 98 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:54,160 and through the word of our testimony yeah right and if we understand the blood of the 99 00:09:54,160 --> 00:10:00,120 lamb we have a testimony at least of that yeah and the accuser can not put those things 100 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:04,480 in front of us with any kind of efficacy if we understand that to be the case I love where 101 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:09,640 he says there's no requirement period yeah there's no requirement or minimum level of 102 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:17,000 capacity or goodness before God will help us and love us and that's my words but but 103 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:22,840 if he'll help us he loves us and that that I think that really takes a lot of the fear 104 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:27,000 out of a lot of people if we understand it now a lot of us won't will choose not to understand 105 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:33,560 that because we want to stay stuck in our inability to approach him because of our inadequacies 106 00:10:33,560 --> 00:10:37,960 and so there's that that the accuser will also have us believe I mean we can go around 107 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:42,760 and round on this but that's important for us to understand David I read a quote the 108 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:49,200 other day Scott I know I couldn't recall right off who said it but you know as humans it 109 00:10:49,200 --> 00:11:01,720 is it is human nature for us to distribute guilt and not disseminate grace I really I 110 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:09,240 know that's true we we beat ourselves up I we're not I'm just not talking about distributing 111 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:16,800 guilt among our peers or our family or our strangers or others who hurt us but we we 112 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:24,480 are so quick to distribute guilt when it comes to our self and for some reason it's so hard 113 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:34,320 for us to disseminate grace in our life and to offer ourselves grace so I I appreciate 114 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:39,800 what you're saying and I know it's true I think if we really come to an understanding of the 115 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:47,360 fall and the atonement of Jesus Christ that will all become more merciful more kind more 116 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:53,600 gracious to ourselves and others well we spent quite a time a couple of podcasts on the fall 117 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:59,000 scone and talked about you know the seven the seven reasons why understanding that doctrine 118 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:03,840 is so important but let's just bridge the gap just a little bit today and talk about 119 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:11,320 really why Jesus had to suffer we know we know in essence the general answer to that 120 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:19,320 is to overcome the fall but why did he have to bleed why did he have to suffer why did 121 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:29,920 he have to pay a price for our redemption and I think that the answer to that largely 122 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:34,720 is taught in the Book of Mormon I think most people who do not have the Book of Mormon 123 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:39,680 Scott in fact I read a commentary I was telling you about this this morning I read a commentary 124 00:12:39,680 --> 00:12:45,560 that that said totally rejected the idea that Jesus had to pay a debt totally rejected the 125 00:12:45,560 --> 00:12:52,160 idea that's what Jesus did because we don't we we don't know God anything it was Adam 126 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:59,280 and Eve who messed us up and we don't owe him anything and and his the debt that Jesus 127 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:05,120 didn't pay a debt to deliver us from Satan so anyway it was without the Book of Mormon 128 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:11,960 Scott it's pretty hard to understand why Jesus really had to bleed suffer and die for us 129 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:16,040 but the Book of Mormon makes it so clear and I throughout the Book of Mormon I mean Jacob 130 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:22,200 in 2nd Nephi chapter 9 is wonderful about the importance of the law and the his discussion 131 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:29,040 on the ends of the law which our readers need to maybe remind themselves of and reread 132 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:38,400 2nd Nephi chapter chapter 9 but also Scott it's because of the law of justice which Alma 133 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:47,040 spends a lot of time trying to teach his wayward son Corianton about in in Alma chapter 40 134 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:53,240 through 42 that I those those chapters are really quite amazing and I've always seen 135 00:13:53,240 --> 00:14:02,480 those those three chapters Scott 40 41 42 of Alma prophet father with a wayward son 136 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:09,520 Corianton who apparently committed the immorality for an occasion on his mission was sent home 137 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:18,720 and this sweet father trying to teach his son his need for a redeemer and by the way 138 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:27,120 I think that is a pattern for all parents who have wayward children I know that you it 139 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:31,920 depends on our relationship with our children or their readiness or the timeliness or their 140 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:41,280 humility their preparation to hear this but ultimately in order for wayward children or 141 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:47,360 even not just our own wayward children but God's wayward children you and me and we're 142 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:53,800 all way wayward to a degree exactly we're all prodigals in order for us to really come 143 00:14:53,800 --> 00:15:01,720 back Alma's teaching to his son Corianton is I think the perfect pattern of how he talks 144 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:09,200 about the redemption of Jesus Christ and the importance of the of the law of justice and 145 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:17,240 I think it's in Alma chapter 42 verse 30 where he kind of summarizes his feelings and his 146 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:23,000 teachings to Corianton do you have it Scott yeah Alma 42 verse 30 you want to read that 147 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:29,360 let's get your thoughts on this you got it oh my son I desire that you should deny the 148 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:35,400 justice of God no more do not endeavor to excuse yourself in the least point because 149 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:42,120 of your sins by denying the just justice of God but do let the justice of God and his 150 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:47,760 mercy and his long suffering have full sway on your heart and let it bring you down to 151 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:54,360 the dust in humility full sway of heart I love that you know full sway of heart what 152 00:15:54,360 --> 00:16:02,640 does that mean I mean I know that I've had an opportunity taken the opportunity to deny 153 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:07,640 no more the justice of God to a degree but what does it mean that full sway of heart 154 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:13,120 you know I think that's where we really have to have you know in in alcoholics anonymous 155 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:19,720 in recovery it's important that a member of alcoholics anonymous in order for them in 156 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:25,560 order for us I'll put it in first person again to get sober we have to recognize a rock bottom 157 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:31,920 we have to recognize our own nothingness we have to have and it has to become a full sway 158 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:39,400 of heart experience for us otherwise half measures we say and it's this is a quote right 159 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:44,600 out of the big book about college anonymous half measure half measures avail this nothing 160 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:48,920 there's no avail to half measures and that's also the case here you know full sway of heart 161 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:57,720 I love that completely yes totally yes absolutely yes understand that we can bear it nothing 162 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:05,480 of ourselves that we are helpless really Scott yeah that man is helpless and without 163 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:11,760 the atonement of Jesus Christ because of the law of justice right not not because God doesn't 164 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:20,480 love us but because he is also a God of laws and God cannot look upon sin with the least 165 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:24,520 degree of allowance now I'm not just talking about Adam and Eve's transgression in the 166 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:30,760 fall of mankind here I'm talking about your fall your personal fall and my personal fall 167 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:37,480 when we sin and Scott there are so many ways to sin I'm not just talking major sin here 168 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:46,200 I'm talking the sins of commission when you choose to do wrong and the sins of omission 169 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:51,720 which is you don't do what's right and you just didn't even think to sometimes we sin 170 00:17:51,720 --> 00:18:01,480 every day right every day I don't live a perfect life not one day there's either thoughts go 171 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:07,200 through my mind or I fail or I fail to read my scriptures in the morning as I had planned 172 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:19,160 the night before or or or and being fallen right having corrupt ability of flesh and 173 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:25,640 the pole of Satan and living in a celestial world we sin every day and if God cannot look 174 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:33,080 upon sin with the least degree of allowance and if nothing unclean can dwell and I emphasize 175 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:39,280 that word we'll talk about that later no unclean thing can dwell in his presence we're in 176 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:45,720 trouble yeah we're helpless totally absolutely completely without the atonement of Jesus Christ 177 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:49,800 well you keep using the word helpless and I love that word and I agree with that 100% 178 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:56,240 but I think that there's even a deeper view of that when I say not only am I helpless 179 00:18:56,240 --> 00:19:04,640 but I'm powerless yes I have no power over of in and of myself I have no power over the 180 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:09,120 effects of the fall of Adam and Eve I mean I can make decisions sure I can make decisions 181 00:19:09,120 --> 00:19:14,400 to make better choices I can but when especially when it comes to the sins like you mentioned 182 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:18,520 of omission for example you know one of those sins of omission that seems to creep up in 183 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:23,040 my life is when I get a prompting or a thought to do something for somebody and I push it 184 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:29,120 aside because of my own busyness or whatever right that's just an example but helpless 185 00:19:29,120 --> 00:19:36,720 and powerless helpless for sure powerless absolutely and that power that is needed we'll learn 186 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:40,880 if we already know but we'll learn how and why comes through Jesus Christ the Son of 187 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:47,040 God well one reason you don't have power is because you are a sinner and you cannot pay 188 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:54,640 back any sin that you commit not using the words of brother Robert J. Matthews you can't 189 00:19:54,640 --> 00:20:01,320 pay back one millionth of one percent of any sin you commit sins of commission or omission 190 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:07,480 you can't pay back or make up for one percent one millionth of one percent of any sin you 191 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:15,840 commit that's that's pretty powerless we have to learn how totally completely absolutely 192 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:25,040 dependent we are upon Jesus Christ in his atonement man can merit nothing absolutely 193 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:31,840 totally completely nothing unto himself we we're meritless Scott and yet we live in 194 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:37,560 this culture of meritocracy where we think that we can earn or where we have to earn 195 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:42,920 our way I even get nervous when people talk about self reliance in the church because 196 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:47,320 I think that can be an occupational hazard in the church where they think that they have 197 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:53,560 to be self reliant and pay the price and earn their way that's not that's not the gospel 198 00:20:53,560 --> 00:21:01,040 of redemption I've said this before we believe in a gospel of redemption not a gospel of 199 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:09,360 assimilation we have to be redeemed we cannot just assimilate good habits and keep all the 200 00:21:09,360 --> 00:21:14,600 commandments and think that we're going to be saved Scott in fact again I'm quoting 201 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:20,240 brother Robert J. Matthews if you could if it were even possible which it's not but if 202 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:27,680 you could keep all the commandments you would still go to hell without the atonement of 203 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:35,800 Jesus Christ and I remember as a young missionary Scott thinking you know as I was trying to 204 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:42,920 repent I've referenced this before just striving and striving working hard so hard as a missionary 205 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:49,080 living every rule keeping every commandment thinking this is how I will repent right I 206 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:56,160 confessed all my sins I told all and they still let me serve it wasn't that I was you 207 00:21:56,160 --> 00:22:03,000 know holding anything back but they still let me go on a mission and even though I didn't 208 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:08,080 feel worthy I thought that I could become worthy by working my guts out and keep living 209 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:13,160 all the rules and keeping all the commandments and if I could baptize a few people maybe 210 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:19,440 that would even be a few positive check marks that would help me to receive forgiveness 211 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:28,560 yeah well I I learned Scott I learned I don't know months sadly wait way too long into my 212 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:36,640 mission I learned that I was completely helpless and I could never ever do enough and I learned 213 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:43,560 that you know I kind of wrote it this way I wrote this down when I was young as a young 214 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:55,800 missionary and even before I kept the commandments so that I wouldn't need the atonement but now 215 00:22:55,800 --> 00:23:03,280 I strive to keep the commandments to put on the atonement every everything Scott we've 216 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:10,240 been asked to do really by our loving loving heavenly Father is to help us to put on the 217 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:18,240 atonement of Jesus Christ to be immersed in the gospel of Jesus Christ so that his power 218 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:29,280 and his grace and his mercy can save us we cannot save ourselves worlds without end even 219 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:35,680 if you never broke a commandment you would still go to hell and maybe we should go to 220 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:40,400 that scripture brother Matthews would always when he said that would always turn to 2nd 221 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:48,000 Nephi chapter 9 Scott and let's read 2nd Nephi 9 8 9 so as I'm reading this I want us to 222 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:55,240 weigh the effects of what we're reading here how important was the atonement of Jesus Christ 223 00:23:55,240 --> 00:24:00,400 we'll get that in verse 9 specifically this is 8 to begin with all the wisdom of God his 224 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:05,440 mercy and grace for behold if the flesh should rise no more our spirits must become subject 225 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:10,400 to that angel who fell from before the presence of the eternal God and became the devil to 226 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:18,080 rise no more and our spirits must have become like unto him and we become devils angels 227 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:23,000 to a devil to be shut out from the presence of our God and to remain with the father of 228 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:30,600 lies in misery like unto himself yea to that being who beguiled our first parents who transform 229 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:36,440 with himself nigh into an angel of light and stir it up the children of men unto secret 230 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:44,840 combinations of murder and all manner of secret works of darkness and then verse 10 oh how 231 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:54,040 great the goodness of our God who prepared the way for our escape you know I so really 232 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:59,960 and as I read that Scott it's not just we go to hell we become sons of perdition yeah 233 00:24:59,960 --> 00:25:04,840 if it weren't for the atonement of Jesus Christ if Jesus Christ would have committed one little 234 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:13,040 sin or not gone through the full effects of the atonement and the suffering that he experienced 235 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:18,520 we would have all become sons of perdition right I'm going to finish verse 10 I loved 236 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:22,800 what you read but there's there's a part of that that really ties into what we what we 237 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:27,440 opened up with today oh how great again the goodness of our God and the who prepared 238 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:34,560 the way for our escape from the grasp of this awful monster I love that that imagery yea 239 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:39,400 the monster of death and hell now this is where it ties in two headed monster yeah death 240 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:44,400 and it's a new head and monster and death is of course physical death yep and hell is 241 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:49,240 spiritual death and that's exactly what he wraps it up at which I call the death of the 242 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:55,280 body and also the death of the spirit the two effects of the fall of Adam and Eve that's 243 00:25:55,280 --> 00:26:02,360 that that's the two headed monster and so Scott without Jesus Christ without his atonement 244 00:26:02,360 --> 00:26:09,840 and without the resurrection we would have become totally subject to Satan so even if 245 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:15,440 you could keep the commandments without the resurrection yeah there's no redemption there's 246 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:22,320 no redemption so I'm thinking right now the words that are pronounced in the sealing 247 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:28,960 ceremony that the promises regarding the the holy resurrection when couples are sealed 248 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:35,160 in the house of the Lord so anyway Scott I just think that's really important that we 249 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:41,480 bridge this gap between the fall and the atonement and we understand why Jesus had to do what 250 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:51,080 he had to do and even over in verse 26 of the same chapter chapter 9 verse verse 26 251 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:59,640 for the atonement satisfied the demands of his justice upon all those who have not the 252 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:05,800 law given to them it's not just for those who have sinned who know that they've sinned 253 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:13,760 and who repent Scott but the atonement of Jesus Christ covered all of those who sinned 254 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:21,200 ignorantly who don't have the law or don't have the gospel the atonement covers all of 255 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:25,840 that we'll we'll get into this more when we talk about the conditional and the unconditional 256 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:34,720 effects of the atonement but it's just it's just I don't know I think as we come to an 257 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:44,720 understanding of why Jesus had to suffer it is it just fills us with so much more gratitude 258 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:52,080 so much more appreciation really so much more humility so much more grace and mercy as we 259 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:59,840 look at our own at ourselves and we see others who are in the same boat as us the atonement 260 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:10,280 of Jesus Christ bridge the gap it every day bridges the gap it to heal the breach it to 261 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:16,760 it helps us to come back into a oneness that's why it's called the atonement the atonement 262 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:23,520 of Jesus the fall cut us off and he said we commit cuts us off we turn our back when we 263 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:30,120 sin the atonement of Jesus Christ gives us the power to turn around to move back in their 264 00:28:30,120 --> 00:28:38,240 direction and to have our relationship healed and restored that's what redemption is all 265 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:47,440 about and that's what the atonement of Jesus Christ brought about for each of us so this 266 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:54,840 may be a few a few quotes that kind of summarize this and we'll get into the to the events 267 00:28:54,840 --> 00:29:01,640 of the atonement I love this from President Oekdorf when he was in the first presidency 268 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:07,960 he he said in one of my favorite talks that he ever gave called the gift of grace April 269 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:18,400 2015 we cannot earn our way into heaven the demands of justice stand as a barrier which 270 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:26,200 we are powerless to overcome on our own but all is not lost the grace of God is our great 271 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:33,360 and everlasting hope through the sacrifice and atonement of Jesus Christ the plan of 272 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:41,040 mercy appeases the demands of justice and of course that's from again Alma chapter 42 273 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:46,480 teaching Corianton that Corianton you can't you can't just do this on your own you can't 274 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:52,200 come back into the presence of God or have a relationship with God on your own you you 275 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:57,480 have to understand the role of the Savior and the atonement of Jesus Christ and how 276 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:06,600 there is mercy available to us only because of him and that mercy it can't rob justice 277 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:16,360 Scott mercy cannot rob justice a price had to be paid and Jesus paid that for all of 278 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:23,160 us well the price had to be paid but that price had to be paid by him that price I 279 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:28,920 mean we there's no way that we could have paid our own price no it would kill us in 280 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:33,520 the first place and then it wouldn't be enough it never be sufficient yeah it never be sufficient 281 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:39,520 we could we couldn't do that there's so much injustice in the world in our lives in the 282 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:47,760 lives of others that there had to be a redeemer who was sinless who could take upon himself 283 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:53,400 because not only was he human where he would feel the full effects but because he was a 284 00:30:53,400 --> 00:31:04,080 God so that he could feel the full effects without dying right only he only he I'm thinking 285 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:12,880 of the the sacrament here you know the Green Hill far away only he was good enough to pay 286 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:22,480 the price percent yeah so I I think that I hope that we've kind of bridged the gap and 287 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:29,960 helped our listeners understand again why Jesus had to suffer before we jump into the 288 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:36,440 events of what actually the atonement is well I think it's important for us to just kind 289 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:42,520 of in summary for us to remember that we are subject to the effects of the fall the effects 290 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:47,640 of the fall are at work in each of our lives every day both on the spiritual death side 291 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:53,280 and on the physical death death side our bodies are breaking down we're getting older those 292 00:31:53,280 --> 00:32:00,200 kinds of things you know some of us deal with organic emotional problems depressions mental 293 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:07,720 health issues those types of things all of us deal with sin at same level we all sin 294 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:13,640 we all get sinned against those types of things as well and so that those are all because 295 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:18,520 of the effects of the fall of Adam and Eve now Jesus is not subject to the effects of 296 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:25,960 the fall because again what you have talked about you know he being a God you know Heavenly 297 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:32,080 Father was his father physically and spiritually and all other ways Heavenly fathers are spiritual 298 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:36,320 father but Heavenly Father was also Jesus his physical father which made him a God but 299 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:42,480 he was also human because of his mother Mary which made it possible for him to go through 300 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:49,040 and understand and experience Alma 7 right the things where he descended below all things 301 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:56,240 so he would know how to sucker his people so understanding that helps me to understand 302 00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:00,440 that a lot of times and you know getting back to the question we talked about earlier you 303 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:06,040 know because sometimes was it elder Christ offers and taught us earlier in the podcast 304 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:13,080 we read a quote from him it taught us that we are always able to approach Heavenly Father 305 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:17,920 and ask for his help sometimes we feel like sins sometimes we feel like the way we're 306 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:23,720 living our life precludes us from being able to do that what precludes us from a relationship 307 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:28,960 with our Heavenly Father is the effects of the fall spiritual death physical death Jesus 308 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:34,920 answered all of that through his atonement yeah and what you said earlier Scott that 309 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:41,040 Jesus wasn't subject to the fall you're right he had power to overcome it and only he had 310 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:46,720 powered overcome it because he was a God but he he did feel all the effects effects of 311 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:53,720 the fall that I mean all the effects right all of them and not only in his suffering 312 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:58,720 in his final hours and the bleeding of every poor and all of the pain and suffering but 313 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:06,120 he felt it he felt it his whole life I mean I'm sure that that there were there was a 314 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:11,760 lot of pain in his life growing up I'm sure that it was difficult when the when his hometown 315 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:17,680 folks wanted to throw him off the cliff I mean he threw out his entire life Scott and even 316 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:22,800 to the extent that we are not possible to fill the effects of the fall because again 317 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:30,840 he was a God he felt the full effects of temptation we'll talk about that and the role of a sinless 318 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:37,280 life that makes the atonement even possible so you're right he had power over the fall 319 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:45,920 but he felt and he had to he felt all the effects of the fall even to a much an infinite 320 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:50,760 degree more than we can fill the effects we filled the effects but he felt all of the 321 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:58,560 effects accumulative you know all challenges we don't have we don't all not I don't know 322 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:04,720 a person maybe there is one that that suffers with all of life's potential challenges there's 323 00:35:04,720 --> 00:35:12,720 probably none of us that can say that but he did which would help us to feel more grateful 324 00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:20,720 to him and for him sometime ago elder Hayford Bruce Hayford talked about the temple endowments 325 00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:26,840 Scott and he those who are familiar with the with what happens in the endowment and where 326 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:32,480 we learn about the creation first pillar and we spent a lot of time in the endowment on 327 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:40,600 the second pillar the fall and somebody asked him the question why if the if the temple endowment 328 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:45,960 is centered on Jesus Christ why is it that we don't spend more time in the endowment 329 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:52,240 on the life of Christ or the atonement of Christ why is it that most of the endowment 330 00:35:52,240 --> 00:36:00,240 is focused upon the fall of Adam and Eve well I it's a it's a great question profound inspired 331 00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:09,600 question and I love elder Hayford's answer to this his answer was so that you would understand 332 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:17,240 why you need a savior and redeemer that's why we spend so much time on the fall and 333 00:36:17,240 --> 00:36:25,440 second so that you would know how to put on the atonement of Jesus Christ so in the atonement 334 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:31,080 of Jesus Christ or in the endowment of the temple we don't spend so much time talking 335 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:37,080 about the events or the effects of the atonement of Jesus Christ we spend most of the time 336 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:47,560 in the endowment of the temple being taught why we need a savior and redeemer and how 337 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:54,240 we can put on the atonement in our life that's what the endowment teaches us and I'm grateful 338 00:36:54,240 --> 00:37:01,560 for that and you know that the endowment what is the endowment it's a gift what's the gift 339 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:09,760 it's a gift of knowledge it's a gift of power that we we learn how badly how absolutely 340 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:18,360 totally completely we are dependent upon Jesus Christ and how we can through Christ 341 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:25,120 enter back into the presence of our heavenly Father that's what the endowment teaches us 342 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:34,240 anyway I I love that and in that same vein elder haven taught the law this is a quote 343 00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:40,640 from his book the broken heart which I think is one of the great books on the effects and 344 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:47,440 application of the atonement of Jesus Christ in our life elder haven wrote the law of justice 345 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:54,840 is an eternal law requiring that whenever a divine commandment is broken there must be 346 00:37:54,840 --> 00:38:02,240 a punishment imposed and a compensation made think about that for just a minute Scott punishment 347 00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:11,520 imposed compensation made to restore the balance in natural law that was upset by the violation 348 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:22,200 well we we do not have we're not we're not capable really of fulfilling the punishment 349 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:30,760 or making the compensation all of the punishment and all of the compensation was fulfilled 350 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:41,880 and paid by the atonement and suffering of Jesus Christ so I hope that our listeners 351 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:51,160 again begin to to feel greater gratitude for a savior and redeemer and what God chose to 352 00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:57,000 call the plan of plan of redemption we have to be redeemed it is a plan of redemption 353 00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:04,560 it is not a plan of assimilation it's not a plan of just keeping commandments it's 354 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:09,200 not a checklist it's not a to-do list it's not I have to do this and this and this and 355 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:17,200 this it is a plan of redemption which to me says I need a savior redeemer it's really 356 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:25,000 Scott it's it's less about our works and more about our relationships it's not so much about 357 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:32,600 the commandments as it is our relationships with deity and we we can strengthen that relationship 358 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:40,120 of course by keeping the commandments and living the standards being earnest and intentional 359 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:49,720 about about our our lives and how we live the gospel but all of that is not to help 360 00:39:49,720 --> 00:40:00,520 us earn our way but to help us to have a sweeter closer at one but with our Heavenly Father 361 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:06,920 through Jesus Christ our advocate mediator. I love so much of what we talked about and 362 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:11,800 I have so many things to say about so much of it but but these are things that as we 363 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:17,400 continue on in the podcast that will come up I just want to dive into everything and and 364 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:22,200 just do it all at once right now but it's important that we build these concepts but 365 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:26,040 before we do that I think just to you know to kind of recap a couple of things here 366 00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:32,600 that the reason that most of the endowment for example is focused on the fall is so that we 367 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:39,160 will understand the necessity of Jesus Christ in our lives and what he did to answer the effects 368 00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:43,880 of the fall I love that and how we can access it and how we can access it and I love that the 369 00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:49,880 endowment is a gift right we just come through the the greatest probably giving season of all 370 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:54,760 you know of the year is Christmas time of course and and you know I've been to the temple a couple 371 00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:58,600 of times over the last month or so and I've been thinking about that I've been thinking about the 372 00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:02,600 endowment the gift you know there's so many gifts that have been afforded to us through 373 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:07,480 Heavenly Father and and for whatever reason during this time of year I've been a little extra 374 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:11,960 sensitive to some of that but the gift of knowledge and the gift of power that comes through that 375 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:18,280 endowment can give me the strength and the encouragement and the hope that I need because 376 00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:23,240 you know the accuser he'll he'll try to jump in there and throw roadblocks in front of me and try 377 00:41:23,240 --> 00:41:29,800 to confuse me and try to throw you know things out there that may make me wonder or question or 378 00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:35,800 doubt and it then it happens right absolutely but but to understand that that knowledge and that 379 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:41,160 power and how do I access that for me there's different ways for me to access it right we 380 00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:46,440 talk about prayer we talk about scripture study and and as we go along those are all called I think 381 00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:52,360 Scott instruments of grace instruments of grace we'll get into that right we talk about the application 382 00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:57,640 repentance exactly and those instruments of grace we can start to notice them right now though 383 00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:03,560 because as we notice those instruments of grace that come into our lives that's what continues to 384 00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:09,640 give me the hope and the and the strength and the vision to continue on in this process remembering 385 00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:17,640 that it's not my merit that matters it's his merit my mat my merit what I first off my merit's 386 00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:24,200 pretty weak I there's not much I can merit anyway but but to know that it's okay that it's not my 387 00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:29,080 merit that it's his merit now we do we do talk about commandments we do talk about you know 388 00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:36,120 living our lives in accordance to his will as part of our demonstration of us putting on the 389 00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:43,160 atonement of Jesus Christ as part of our demonstration of gratitude for what he did and that takes 390 00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:49,720 some effort it does and and and above all as a demonstration of my love for him if you love me 391 00:42:49,720 --> 00:42:56,440 keep my commandments absolutely you know I know we've quoted from Adam Miller before but to 392 00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:03,240 Adam Miller said redemption points holy to Christ and his grace it's a plan of redemption not a 393 00:43:03,240 --> 00:43:10,920 plan of assimilation anyway and he goes on living the gospel is the work of relying on Christ merits 394 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:20,840 not the work of generating your own this is still hard work but it is work of an entirely 395 00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:28,360 different kind I I really love that and I'm going to back up a little bit in that quote too 396 00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:33,880 because in this he is talking about the law right and he you know he talks about the purpose of the 397 00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:40,680 law is to point you away from yourself free you from your self-obsessed burden of your own story 398 00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:48,760 and center you on Christ yeah that's it you know and and he even teaches in that Scott which I love 399 00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:55,560 about what sin is like I think that's kind of one of his main points in this is that sin itself 400 00:43:55,560 --> 00:44:03,800 is a rejection of God's grace and a rejection of Jesus Christ because God's grace is not the result 401 00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:10,200 of our sin grace is already given it's always there and it's something we just have to stop 402 00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:18,520 refusing and when we commit sins of omission we're refusing to receive God's grace when we break any 403 00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:27,800 commandment we are refusing the grace of God in our life that's maybe why it's a sin I there's 404 00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:33,720 other reasons why it's a sin because of the hurt pain and and loss that it may cause others Scott 405 00:44:33,720 --> 00:44:41,480 for sure but one reason a sin of omission is a sin if we fail to say our prayers if we felt 406 00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:49,880 we think well I've just hurt myself well that that may be true but you are rejecting the grace of God 407 00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:55,320 when we don't go to church we're rejecting and we don't participate in the ordinances we are 408 00:44:55,320 --> 00:45:03,320 rejecting the grace and mercy of God that is that's one reason why it's a sin that's a different 409 00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:11,320 definition and way of looking at at sin and what it is so anyway I I hope that our listeners 410 00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:18,120 will have a better perspective of the importance of of under the importance of understanding 411 00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:25,240 the atonement of Jesus Christ in their life and their need for a savior and redeemer this gets 412 00:45:25,240 --> 00:45:32,360 us started into the the heart of the curriculum here we've covered some important things today 413 00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:38,840 and I think as we continue to do this that it as has been the case in seasons past will really 414 00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:44,360 develop a greater relationship a deeper gratitude and a deeper desire because of that gratitude to 415 00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:50,600 align ourselves with our heavenly Father and his will for us through the atonement of Jesus Christ 416 00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:56,680 as we qualify for the effects of the atonement in our lives and and that really will become I think 417 00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:04,600 our our our quest it will become our vision and I think for a lot of us will begin to see that 418 00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:08,920 as a lot different work than we thought it would have been work nonetheless as Adam Miller says 419 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:13,000 but a lot different work than it's a different approach Scott is it is not just a different 420 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:19,480 approach to the gospel it's a different approach to living it's just changes everything yeah I 421 00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:27,960 once wrote this years ago when we understand that we are saved and redeemed by his merits not ours 422 00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:38,360 we will worry less about us being good enough to repent and be forgiven but rather we will focus 423 00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:49,000 more on the truth that because he was good enough we can repent and be forgiven we are saved and 424 00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:56,920 redeemed by his righteousness not our own I mean when you really understand this truth Scott that 425 00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:03,480 you see the repentance through his merits you begin to receive repentance as a gift you begin to see 426 00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:10,520 forgiving others as a gift not not just a commandment not just something that we have to shy away 427 00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:19,240 from or or that we we think that we have to just groan and work and struggle to do but you see it 428 00:47:19,240 --> 00:47:26,120 you see them more as as a gift of repentance and forgiveness you see the commandments as as gifts 429 00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:32,840 it again instruments of grace and it just really changes how you see the gospel the 430 00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:41,480 couples that I've talked to about who are maybe kind of in their words kind of deciding to lean 431 00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:49,560 out of the church or maybe even they'll they'll label it a faith crisis and they're they're 432 00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:55,960 maybe thinking about leading out of the church or leaving the church even they've completely 433 00:47:55,960 --> 00:48:04,680 missed this this approach to the gospel and what what we really believe about the atonement of Jesus 434 00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:14,600 Christ and I think it's just really key for all of us who have loved ones and we all do who are 435 00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:22,360 struggling to live the gospel who may be right now to have no desire to live the gospel we need to 436 00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:31,000 try to help be an example of what the gospel really is we don't need to freak out if they 437 00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:38,680 are not living the gospel or if they have major problems or identification problems or behavioral 438 00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:48,280 problems in their life we need to understand that if we will just relax and if we will just put on 439 00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:55,160 the atonement every day and try to exemplify exemplify that and help others to understand 440 00:48:55,800 --> 00:49:02,680 that at any point no matter where they're at they they grace is available to them 441 00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:08,920 mercy is available to them god loves them that's why he gave us the gift of his son 442 00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:16,920 it's it's just a different way scott of approaching and living the gospel let me let me maybe uh 443 00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:26,520 read the words of lehigh to his son jacob here scott i've always loved this i can see you know wise 444 00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:37,160 older lehigh reading this to his son jacob uh who's who's been victimized by his older brothers 445 00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:46,920 jacob's the younger you know in the family and and uh he says this now jacob this lehigh 446 00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:54,360 jacob my son i speak unto you now aren't my first born in the days of my tribulation in the wilderness 447 00:49:54,920 --> 00:50:00,280 and behold in thy childhood thou has suffered afflictions and much sorrow because the rudeness 448 00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:07,560 of thy brotherhood he acknowledged you yeah it's it's been hard you've been a victim nevertheless 449 00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:16,120 jacob my first born in the wilderness nevertheless so that's a great word nevertheless jacob my 450 00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:23,240 first born in the wilderness thou knowest the greatness of god in other words i can i can 451 00:50:23,240 --> 00:50:29,720 i can see lehigh thinking i've taught you i have taught you about the atonement of jesus christ 452 00:50:29,720 --> 00:50:37,080 and the plan of redemption you thou knowest the greatness of god and he shall consecrate 453 00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:44,200 thine afflictions for thy gain wherefore this verse three wherefore thy soul shall be blessed 454 00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:49,640 and thou shall dwell safely with thy brother neify and thy day shall be spent in the service of 455 00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:58,680 the service of thy god wherefore this is it this is really the punchline here wherefore i know 456 00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:10,440 that thou art redeemed because of the righteousness of thy redeemer not because anything you've done 457 00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:17,640 jacob not because of anything that you've done you are saved because of the righteousness of 458 00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:27,320 thy redeemer it's not that you were good enough it's that he was good enough that needs to be our 459 00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:34,680 focus that's that's how we should see the gospel and the plan of redemption the one needful thing 460 00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:41,160 the one needful thing i like that well i i think we've got ourselves off to a pretty good start 461 00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:47,960 here next episode we'll get into more in depth around all of this but this is where we begin 462 00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:53,560 really putting i say this a lot but this really is where we begin putting the this is where the 463 00:51:53,560 --> 00:52:01,320 rubber meets the road this is where it all has the ability to change us for the better to qualify 464 00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:08,440 us to be heirs joint heirs with christ living with our heavenly father in eternity and uh 465 00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:14,440 when our listeners hear this it will be uh after christmas and just before the new year 466 00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:23,080 and we should probably just wish everybody all of our listeners and friends uh that we've made 467 00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:30,520 through this podcast happy new year we we hope and pray that that your coming year that you 468 00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:37,720 go into the new year with hope and uh we'll maybe talk about that in upcoming podcast is 469 00:52:37,720 --> 00:52:44,520 how we can live more of an intentional life in this coming year and be more intentional 470 00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:53,080 in living a life of grace and mercy and putting uh putting upon ourselves the atonement of Jesus 471 00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:59,080 christ daily anyway happy new year everybody yeah that's where we get to unwrap the gift 472 00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:05,160 and really enjoy it is when we make application in our own lives through the intentional living 473 00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:11,160 of the gospel through uh Jesus christ in his merits hey thanks everybody for being with us this week 474 00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:37,160 we look forward being with you again next week and until then be well