1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:19,760 Hey there everybody and welcome back to another episode of Redeem Through His Blood. 2 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:24,040 Scott Durfey here joined as always by our teacher David Durfey. 3 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:25,040 What's up Dave? 4 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:27,760 So good to be with you Scott and everybody. 5 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:29,080 Hope you're all doing well. 6 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:32,320 Yeah, we've got another great episode planned. 7 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:37,240 Today, gang will be kind of taking off from where we left off last week. 8 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:44,680 This week we'll be talking about why we have the need of redemption, why we have the need 9 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:49,280 of a savior, who we are, who's we are and so, so much more. 10 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:53,280 But before we get into that today, David, I just wanted to tell everybody, hey, thanks 11 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:55,640 so much for your emails. 12 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:56,640 We've received a few. 13 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:01,560 You won't be addressing any questions on this episode here today. 14 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:07,680 But there are a couple that we do owe answers to and you can anticipate those either to 15 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:14,120 come forth in and as part of the podcast or we may even, in fact, we're committed to. 16 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:16,440 We're going to respond to a couple of them individually. 17 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:19,800 So yeah, I was really touched by that. 18 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:26,880 One email that was sent, I think somebody from Florida. 19 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:29,200 Yeah, I don't remember exactly. 20 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:38,040 Anyway, but I want to respond personally to that and that we have our hearts go out to 21 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:45,800 individuals who are hurting, suffering either because of the loss of their children spiritually 22 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:51,080 or in this case, the loss of children physically. 23 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:54,720 Yeah, this was actually a town called Murphy's Burl, Tennessee. 24 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:55,720 I love that. 25 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:56,720 Tennessee. 26 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:57,720 Yeah, love that little town. 27 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:05,080 Anyway, my heart really went out to him and his family and my wife and I will respond 28 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:06,600 to that personally. 29 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:10,640 But yeah, there's just so much needs. 30 00:02:10,640 --> 00:02:11,640 Got it. 31 00:02:11,640 --> 00:02:12,640 Just reinforces. 32 00:02:12,640 --> 00:02:13,640 Yeah. 33 00:02:13,640 --> 00:02:22,560 So I think we need to for a more complete understanding of and faith in the Atonement 34 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:23,720 of Jesus Christ. 35 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:29,560 And I know that that will not reduce anyone's sorrow. 36 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:36,360 But you can have peace in sorrow when you understand and have faith in the Atonement 37 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,240 of Jesus Christ. 38 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:42,520 If there's no peace in sorrow, that's just flat out miserable. 39 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:43,520 Right. 40 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:50,800 And Satan loves us to be miserable, but there there doesn't need to be any misery in sorrow. 41 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:58,120 If one understands the plan of redemption and has faith in Jesus Christ and his Atonement 42 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:06,180 because they're the perfect brightness of hope that comes with that again doesn't necessarily 43 00:03:06,180 --> 00:03:08,480 take away sorrow. 44 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,960 But it does eliminate misery. 45 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:18,240 It's just a little bit easier for me to deal with the sorrow if I have hope in the sorrow. 46 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:21,240 And I felt the hopelessness. 47 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:25,600 And I know maybe we all have to a degree from time to time felt the hopelessness that can 48 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:26,600 come. 49 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:33,080 But but amidst the sorrow if we can find hope and sometimes for me personally, you know, 50 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:37,200 I'm dealing with a little situation right now where it's difficult to find hope, you 51 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:38,480 know, a little family situation. 52 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:39,480 And it's difficult. 53 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:41,120 We all have that to find hope. 54 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:45,920 But the thing about that hope is, is that, you know, with faith in Jesus Christ, we're 55 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:49,720 going to talk about that in great detail in some upcoming episodes here. 56 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:55,200 But as we as we have that faith in Jesus Christ, that does allow that hope. 57 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:59,560 But and I have felt that absence of that faith from time to time. 58 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,480 And that can, like you said, be just extremely miserable. 59 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:07,560 So any way, empty powers, the enabling powers, the compensating powers of the Atonement of 60 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:16,840 Jesus Christ should certainly help us to not feel miserable or misery, even though we have 61 00:04:16,840 --> 00:04:22,440 deep sorrow and even even God knows sorrow. 62 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:23,940 Yeah. 63 00:04:23,940 --> 00:04:25,640 But God is not no misery. 64 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:26,640 Right. 65 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:28,480 I mean, God cries. 66 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:35,360 We have that amazing scripture, right in Moses, Moses seven about him weeping. 67 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:36,360 Yeah. 68 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:38,480 And he's God weeping. 69 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:44,600 And that's touching God feels emotions and they're not. 70 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:47,720 They're not always positive. 71 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:52,440 But they don't make him miserable. 72 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:54,160 That's the key. 73 00:04:54,160 --> 00:05:02,120 And it really does require us again to achieve a sense of alignment and the greater alignment 74 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:08,040 that we can achieve the more likely we are to have, you know, more of those Godlike attributes 75 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:13,680 in our own life in our own world, which again will not necessarily eliminate the sorrow, 76 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:16,520 but the misery that can come from it for sure. 77 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:22,440 Well, and that kind of leads us into the whole purpose of this course. 78 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,680 Before you get into that, just let me just make one more quick mention and then we can 79 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:27,320 be done with housekeeping stuff. 80 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:31,260 But gang, he redeems us at gmail.com. 81 00:05:31,260 --> 00:05:34,000 Please feel free to reach out with your emails. 82 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:39,040 We commit to at least respond in some way to all the ones that we receive. 83 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:44,840 Many of them we hope we already have and we continue to plan to have a lot of those questions 84 00:05:44,840 --> 00:05:46,640 answered right here on the podcast. 85 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:48,560 So there you go, Dave. 86 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:54,280 Well, the this podcast is again based on a course that is now a worldwide Institute 87 00:05:54,280 --> 00:05:55,280 course. 88 00:05:55,280 --> 00:06:06,120 In the Institute of Religion, and you can actually get that on the LDS library if by going into 89 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:12,520 the Institute program and I recommend that maybe you do that and look at some of the 90 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:13,520 lessons. 91 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:22,360 It's fun to be somewhat involved in the preparation of some of the lessons in the teacher manual 92 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:28,920 and the things that go along with this course and helping Elder Anderson to write his book. 93 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:39,920 But we we wanted to title this podcast redeemed through his blood. 94 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:44,320 We know it includes the doctrine of Christ and there's probably a lot of other titles 95 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:46,880 we could have given this podcast. 96 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:55,280 But I I just have been really over the many years of preparing and teaching lessons in 97 00:06:55,280 --> 00:06:57,440 church education system, Scott. 98 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:06,600 And in fact, in fact, Scott, I I think one thing that that led led us to title this is 99 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:13,520 discussion I had with Brother Robert J. Matthews many years ago when he was in Minnesota with 100 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:18,120 me stayed at my home and and stayed with us for a week. 101 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:25,160 And he and I had a long discussion once about all the different titles of Jesus Christ. 102 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:31,520 He told me a story once about his son. 103 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:39,920 He overheard his son talking to some of his childhood friends about the prophet Joseph 104 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:49,600 Smith and his son was focused so much on Joseph Smith that he he he felt something about that 105 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:54,200 his son should maybe be talking more about Jesus than Joseph Smith. 106 00:07:54,200 --> 00:08:00,360 Now, nobody's a greater defender of the restoration Joseph Smith and Robert J. Matthews was Robert 107 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:03,640 J. Matthews for those who are maybe new to our podcast. 108 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:10,080 Is the individual who wrote the Bible dictionary and was the Dean of Religious Education at 109 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:18,960 BYU and anyway, very prolific author first president of the Mount Timpanogos Temple and 110 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:26,000 was a patriarch and friend of mine and and not I don't even know if I can call him a 111 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,320 friend, but like a mentor to me. 112 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:47,080 And anyway, he felt somewhat bad that is that his son was defending Joseph Smith in a way 113 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:52,040 that he thought I wonder if he could defend Jesus Christ the same way. 114 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:56,760 And he felt like his son should be defending Jesus Christ and testifying of Jesus Christ 115 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:59,000 more than Joseph Smith. 116 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:05,680 Well so his when he had an opportunity later on he he said so so son what what do you know 117 00:09:05,680 --> 00:09:07,280 about Jesus Christ? 118 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:13,840 Tell me what you know about Jesus Christ because his son could knew so much about Joseph Smith 119 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:21,920 in church history and his his son's answer was was pretty brief. 120 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:27,280 And he felt really bad about that brother Matthews felt bad about that and he thought 121 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:34,000 I maybe I haven't done an effective enough job teaching my son about Jesus Christ. 122 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:38,960 And so he started to teach his son about the different titles and he and I had this discussion 123 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:45,280 about what's your favorite title of Jesus Christ of all the titles you know there's 124 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:54,040 over a hundred names and titles right of Jesus Christ mediator advocate so many names and 125 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:56,440 titles. 126 00:09:56,440 --> 00:10:06,080 And as we discussed that we we decided that maybe maybe it would be Redeemer that of all 127 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:12,560 the titles of Jesus Christ because we talked about this last week I know but the Redeemer 128 00:10:12,560 --> 00:10:17,840 and Savior do not mean the same things and I love them both and I don't know that you 129 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:24,640 can have a favorite right it's like asking me what's my favorite ice cream but I don't 130 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:32,040 know if you can have a favorite but Redeemer to me is this is the depth and it's always 131 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:41,000 associated with blood Scott redemption is through blood and Savior yes through his atonement 132 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:49,840 Jesus saved us from death and from sin and and Savior is kind of he saved us he delivered 133 00:10:49,840 --> 00:11:01,440 us deliverer is a little bit more associated with Savior but Redeemer this is he purchased 134 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:11,440 us he ransomed us he he he literally as the go out that we talked about last week this 135 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:19,320 is the kinsman who comes and purchases us and and gets us out of bondage delivers us 136 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:28,600 from being sold into slavery I don't know Scott it's just it's so humbling for me to 137 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:34,920 think about the title of Redeemer and that it's it's always associated with his blood 138 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:38,560 and last last week what we talked a little bit about that but we didn't talk so much 139 00:11:38,560 --> 00:11:44,520 maybe about some of the scriptures that testify of that so I want to share just a few scriptures 140 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:51,320 and then we'll we'll get into a little bit I hope today about the premortal existence 141 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:57,320 and the plan of redemption as it was even presented there and and our identity and who 142 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:05,760 we are and whose we are which it goes to the very heart of the idea that Jesus purchased 143 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:15,920 us by and through his blood so anyway should we do that now yeah let me let me just add 144 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:19,480 little commentary to what you just said there because I think it's so important you know 145 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:25,640 we're about to build a case I guess around why it's important for us to understand and 146 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:30,320 know not just who we are but whose we are and I think we spend in the church you know 147 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:35,680 it's just part of our culture we spend a lot of time growing up understanding I am a child 148 00:12:35,680 --> 00:12:43,160 of God and he has sent me here and we really do focus a lot on that you know it's a joke 149 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:46,920 that we sometimes say in the church about our families don't forget who you are you know 150 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:53,760 when people are leaving the house and things like that which isn't so much a joke but it's 151 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:59,320 that can be life changing well but it's something that we do talk about we sometimes think for 152 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:05,320 granted yeah and we do laugh about it you know sometimes and stuff like that but and 153 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:10,280 we do take it for granted but the point about whose we are you know I think that that's I 154 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:15,920 think that that might be a in the depth that we mean it may be a new concept to some of 155 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:21,600 us you know we talk about oh yeah I know I know I'm heavenly fathers he's my father you 156 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:26,760 know and all of that but why is it important for us to know that we are Jesus is Jesus 157 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:31,240 is he bought us he purchased us you know we're going to get into all of this and help us 158 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:39,280 to understand that but to know whose we are so Jesus Christ purchased us with a price 159 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:43,880 we're going to talk about what that price is as we go so he purchased us if he purchased 160 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:50,520 us and we are his then his advocacy to the father has deeper and greater meaning than 161 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:55,680 if we were just brothers totally totally in fact the scriptures even say that that he 162 00:13:55,680 --> 00:14:05,240 that he could mediate and advocate for us because he spilled his blood for us to purchase 163 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:12,000 us that's that's what allowed him to do that in the first place so anyway and I didn't 164 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:17,280 I don't know if I said this last time or not Scott in our discussion about savior redeemer 165 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:24,120 salvation redemption redeemer is redeem and redeemer is a little bit more of an Old Testament 166 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:35,280 and Book of Mormon title of the Savior actually Redeemer is is much more mentioned the title 167 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:42,280 is much more used in the Old Testament than the New Testament and and more in the Book 168 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:48,680 of Mormon than the New Testament in fact the New Testament does not even use the title 169 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:55,600 Redeemer not one time in fact the New Testament only uses the word redeem only the word redeem 170 00:14:55,600 --> 00:15:01,960 is only in the New Testament twice but it's dozens of times in the Old Testament and in 171 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:12,920 the Book of Mormon and it's something of a Old Testament something of an Old Testament 172 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:19,520 symbol of what Jesus would do because of the blood sacrifice yeah because of all the all 173 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:27,160 the sacrifice and the blood that would be spilled and so when they're talking about in Leviticus 174 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:34,720 redeem is over and over again Leviticus it's in all of the throughout the Old Testament 175 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:42,880 and Book of Mormon but in the New Testament without using the term Redeemer it does talk 176 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:50,120 about how Jesus purchased us so let's just turn to the New Testament to begin with Scott 177 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:59,080 and let's go to Acts 2028 because I think Luke who wrote the Book of Acts makes this 178 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:09,600 pretty clear. Acts chapter 2028 as he's reciting the teachings of Paul this is actually Paul 179 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:18,160 who teaches us. And it says take heed there for unto yourselves and to all the flock over 180 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:26,280 the which the Holy Ghost has made you overseers to feed the church of God which he hath purchased 181 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:34,200 with his own blood. Purchased with his blood. That's the currency that was used for the 182 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:43,720 purchasing of us. Exactly. Yeah. And Scott I know that he paid the price. He paid the 183 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:55,320 price for all of Heavenly Father's children. The question is will they receive it. That's 184 00:16:55,320 --> 00:17:01,680 the question. Will they receive the gift. And if they don't receive the gift it's because 185 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:10,680 they will not receive the giver of the gift. Yeah. Dr. and Covenants 88. Yeah. Exactly. 186 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:17,640 And Brother Matthew's favorite scriptures by the way. So Acts 2028. Let's go to let's 187 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:25,680 go to 1st Corinthians 620 Scott and listen to what Paul writes to the Corinthians in 188 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:32,680 1st Corinthians chapter 6 verse 20. And in essence what he's saying here in this verse 189 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:38,440 is that we are not our own. You know sometimes I think we say well I'm my own man you know 190 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:48,000 or or we even in the church we we have a certain pride I think in trying to be self reliant. 191 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:56,200 There is there is no self reliance when it comes to redemption salvation. We are completely 192 00:17:56,200 --> 00:18:03,720 utterly totally dependent 100% dependent on a redeemer on his merits none of our own and 193 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:10,400 that's exactly it's through his blood. Not ours. Well 1st Corinthians 620 makes that 194 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:17,000 pretty clear for you are bought with a price therefore glorify God in your body and in 195 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:24,360 your spirit which are gods. You are bought with a price. Yeah. The price was blood. 196 00:18:24,360 --> 00:18:34,640 Yeah. Bought with a price. We are not our own. How about the 2nd Nephi 2nd Peter chapter 197 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:45,400 2 verse 1 Scott 2 Peter chapter 2 verse 1 same idea that we are we're purchased we're 198 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:53,440 not our own. The Savior owns us and that he paid the price for all of our redemption through 199 00:18:53,440 --> 00:19:00,880 his blood. 2nd Peter chapter 2 verse 1 but there were false prophets also among the people 200 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:07,280 even as there will even as there shall be false teachers among you who privilege shall 201 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:15,120 bring in damnation damnable heresies even denying the Lord that bought them that bought 202 00:19:15,120 --> 00:19:22,440 them and bring upon themselves with destruction. So what are the most damnable heresies that 203 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:28,760 can be taught according to Peter denying the Lord that he has bought them denying that 204 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:38,720 they're purchased. I'm my own man. I can save myself and Scott in in and out of the church 205 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:44,200 we have a lot of people who are trying to save themselves for sure now I I know the 206 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:49,560 scripture work out your own salvation I know that that's Philippians if you look at the 207 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:57,560 next verse you only you can only do that through the power of God. We are not our own that's 208 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:04,440 the point. Yeah redeemed through his blood just 2 more these these are powerful. Let's 209 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:15,040 go to Glossians 114 Paul writing again here but all these all of these except for the 210 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:21,680 one in Peter or from Paul teaching us that we are purchased through his blood of all 211 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:28,720 the people that would know about blood sacrifice it be Paul who was a leader among the Jews 212 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:36,200 who was so involved in this in the sacrifice and all the times of sacrifice the the major 213 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:43,320 sacrifice and festivals of the Jewish nation not understanding that of course all of that 214 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:51,600 was a type symbol prefigurement of the atonement of Jesus Christ so the lotions 114 was it 215 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:57,960 say in whom we have redemption through his blood even the forgiveness of sins this is 216 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,960 one of my favorite ones of all the ones that we're going to be reading today this is one 217 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:08,760 of my favorite ones because it is just so clear there's no mistaking what this means 218 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:13,720 in whom we have redemption through his blood even the forgiveness of sins so that's our 219 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:18,480 very title right yeah I'll just go redeem through his blood right maybe that's why I 220 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:23,360 love it so much but here it's telling us you know he bought us he's purchased us that's 221 00:21:23,360 --> 00:21:28,960 what redemption means to redeem something is to purchase right so he purchased us through 222 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:37,200 his blood why even for the forgiveness of sins yeah yeah and that's why I love that 223 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:45,120 yeah I do too thanks Scott Hebrew 1320 now the God of peace that brought again from the 224 00:21:45,120 --> 00:21:52,840 dead our Lord Jesus that great shepherd of the sheep through the blood of the everlasting 225 00:21:52,840 --> 00:22:01,400 covenant the blood of the covenant yeah that goes all the way back to Adam and Eve when 226 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:07,120 they were asked to make sacrifice and the blood of the lamb and all the way back to 227 00:22:07,120 --> 00:22:13,960 Genesis and how they made and cut those covenants in the beginning from the time Adam and Eve 228 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:22,520 were on this earth there there was a sacrifice and blood was a big part of that I think I 229 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:27,360 think last time we talked about to cleave a little bit did we talk about cleave what 230 00:22:27,360 --> 00:22:32,680 it means that that they would cleave you know has two different meanings it's a term that 231 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:40,320 I become I think more sensitive to as a seeler in the temple you know the word the word cleaves 232 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:50,560 part of part of the ordinance of the holy order matrimony and it's just really interesting 233 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:58,280 how the cutting a covenant it's about ancient Hebrew's did not talk about making a covenant 234 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:07,160 it was cutting a covenant it was bloody and how Abraham was asked to pass between they 235 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:15,160 would they cut an animal in half and he had to pass between them which was symbolic of 236 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:21,680 not only that this is what would save him but that if he did not receive the covenant 237 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:30,000 then the same sacrifice the same punishment would be upon him if he did not keep the covenant 238 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:38,800 so I it's all of these scriptures in the New Testament Scott are prefigured and foreshadowed 239 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:46,400 by the the sacrifices and the scriptures of the Old Testament and the Book of Mormon I 240 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:53,040 mean in the Book of Mormon Scott they clearly understood how redemption is through blood 241 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:58,240 King Benjamin's amazing address which is referenced to throughout the entire rest of the Book 242 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:03,920 of Mormon even by by Helaman in Helaman chapter five when he's teaching his sons Nephi and 243 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:11,800 Lehi he points back to King Benjamin's address I mean this and this this address has some 244 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:18,960 personal meaning and sentiment to me Scott because I remember this absolutely and I 245 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:23,520 I know it was through more through the Holy Spirit than through really understanding and 246 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:28,360 how I don't think I had a real deep understanding the first time I read this on my mission but 247 00:24:28,360 --> 00:24:35,000 I remember reading this on my mission in Fresno California for the first time really reading 248 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:43,160 it really feeling it and I know that it changed me changed my heart because of the Holy Ghost 249 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:51,400 bearing witness that this was true but I think he references in just Mosiah chapter three 250 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:58,840 alone he references blood five times right yeah five times and and it's just the first 251 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:05,120 one talks about how much blood he spilled and then over and over again it's he he reiterates 252 00:25:05,120 --> 00:25:11,680 that it's through that blood from every pore that redeems us so you know yeah let me yeah 253 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:17,960 let me just take these so let me let me start here in seven and low he shall suffer temptation 254 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:25,040 and pain of body and hunger thirst fatigue even more than man can suffer and let me just 255 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:30,640 pause there it doesn't say even more than man is willing to suffer this makes it seem like 256 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:36,400 that it's impossible for us impossible yeah it's just bodily not human mortally impossible 257 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:41,960 for us to suffer to the level that he did so great shall be his anguish for the wickedness 258 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:49,200 and the imbalmination of his people but but let me suffer except it be unto death for behold 259 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:54,640 blood cometh from every pore so great shall be his anguish for the wickedness and imbalmination 260 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,840 of his people I believe that's first time that we get in restoration scripture that he 261 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:04,000 blood from every pores that right yeah and it's and so Scott it's not just the suffering 262 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:14,280 right it's the blood the blood it is the blood that that oozed from every pore and we know 263 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:22,200 we'll talk more about this later when we spend I don't know maybe three podcasts on just the 264 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:28,680 what the atonement is but we know that all of this suffering in the Garden of Gethsemane 265 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:35,760 reoccurred intensified on the cross cross right and if there's any more blood left in 266 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:43,280 Jesus when he's crucified then he's shedding it on the cross again I think most Christians 267 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:49,640 think when they think of the bloody sacrifice of Jesus Christ they think about his scourging 268 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:55,960 they think about the crown of thorns a place on his head they think about the all of the 269 00:26:55,960 --> 00:27:02,760 blood that is spilt on the cross and that's true too all of that's true but as as members 270 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:09,160 of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and having restoration scripture such 271 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:15,560 as the Book of Mormon and the Doctrine and Covenants we are the only ones Scott in the 272 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:25,200 in Christianity and all of Christianity that understand that he bled from every pore that's 273 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:30,920 not in the Bible that's only taught in the Book of Mormon King Benjamin 3 7 and it's taught 274 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:38,280 in doctrine comes section 19 that Jesus bled from every pore he's Luke comes closest to 275 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:44,080 it right in Luke 22 44 where it says that he prayed more earnestly and his sweat was 276 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:51,400 as it were like great drops of blood so Luke Luke kind of references it to it but nobody 277 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:58,440 understands except us because the restoration that he bled from every pore so great was 278 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:07,400 his anguish for the sins of his people right so we should be so grateful and we should 279 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:15,560 we understand how bloody this was and I love how the church is kind of depicts it in the 280 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:20,360 Bible videos that the church made that after he bleeds from every pore he goes over to 281 00:28:20,360 --> 00:28:27,680 the little Kidron Brook and he washes himself even before he's arrested so that you know 282 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:35,800 that blood in the water blood and water are represented there and he's you know he would 283 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:40,760 have been you know I think somebody would have said something about it had he not washed 284 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:48,080 himself maybe I like to think that he did wash himself in the Brook before he was arrested 285 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:54,440 anyway well let's let's continue on with King Benjamin's great address here I'm gonna read 286 00:28:54,440 --> 00:29:00,080 10 and he shall rise on the third day from the dead and behold standeth to judge the 287 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:07,080 world and behold all these things are done that righteous judgment might come upon the 288 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:12,080 children of man and I think we'll talk more about maybe whole podcast on that verse yeah 289 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:18,080 that righteous judgment component of that super important and again it's only because 290 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:22,080 of what the rest of what we're about to read that that righteous judgment can even take 291 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:30,320 place for behold and also this is verse 11 behold and also his blood atoneth for the 292 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:37,960 sins of those who have fallen by Trent by the transgression of Adam who have died not 293 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:44,080 knowing the will of God concerning them or who have ignorantly sinned so there it is 294 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:49,320 again blood and now if we go over to verse 15 and I'm not gonna read the entire verse 295 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:56,600 here but about halfway down it begins concerning his coming and yet they harden their hearts 296 00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:02,840 and understood not that the law of Moses availeth nothing except it were through the atonement 297 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:09,400 of his blood yeah of his blood yeah so King Benjamin referenced it over and over again 298 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:18,240 and it's even in the in fact read the results of his address Scott in mosaic for mosaic 299 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:26,000 for verse two so the effects of his address focusing on the blood of Jesus Christ and 300 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:32,800 how redemption is through his blood read read what they what the people claim well I I 301 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:37,960 will but even before I do that for behold he judges this is 18 and 3 he judges his 302 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:44,880 judgment is just and an infant perisheth not that died in his infancy but men drink damnation 303 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:51,080 to their own souls except they humble themselves this is it and become as a little child and 304 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:59,600 believe that salvation was and is and is to come in and through the atoning blood atoning 305 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:04,040 blood Christ the Lord omnipotent yeah all right now we'll go over to mosaic chapter 306 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:11,160 four verse two and they had viewed themselves this is a pretty popular we all probably have 307 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:16,080 some familiarity with these are the people who had pitched their tents with their families 308 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:22,200 facing the temple listening to King Benjamin and this is the effect it has on them they 309 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:27,760 viewed themselves in their own carnal state even less than the dust of the earth and they 310 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:32,960 all cried out with one voice saying I just imagine I'm gonna pause right there I can 311 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:39,600 just imagine us when we have that same effect you know when we understand our own nothingness 312 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:46,680 our own carnal state and we're able to view that as it is you know without even personal 313 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:51,160 judgment but as that is and and that's what they did and they all cried out with one 314 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:59,240 voice saying oh have mercy and apply apply what the atoning blood of Christ not the atonement 315 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:06,680 the atoning blood of Christ why that we may receive forgiveness of our sins and our hearts 316 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:12,320 may be purified for we believe in Jesus Christ the Son of God who created heaven and earth 317 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:18,440 and all things who shall come down among the children of men well I just want to point 318 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:27,640 out Scott that the essential element of blood in the atonement of Jesus Christ and in in 319 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:34,000 our redemption you know president Nelson president ironing out president hoax they've 320 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:40,800 all they've all taught there is no power in the atonement itself the atonement is not 321 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:49,960 an entity in and of itself that Jesus Christ is the power behind the atonement but really 322 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:58,080 what they're saying you know which the scriptures teach is that it is Christ and his blood it's 323 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:08,960 the blood of Christ there is no atonement without the blood of Jesus Christ not just 324 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:19,760 being shed but him being literally bruised by bleeding from every poor it is the wounded 325 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:28,160 Christ it is the bloody bruised Jesus Christ that is our Redeemer who ransomed us that 326 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:39,040 was the price that was the price of him purchasing each of us if we would receive it and it's 327 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:48,240 free it costs us nothing except to receive it to receive the gift so I don't know it's 328 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:56,200 pretty it's pretty humbling to think about it Scott it's overwhelming to me and I let's 329 00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:02,880 just go to let's just you know this address of King Benjamin is again I I said it's referenced 330 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:07,600 by Helaman in Helaman chapter five if you want to skip over there Scott and start with 331 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:14,520 maybe verse nine I know everyone loves Helaman five twelve yeah that Jesus is the rock of 332 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:23,120 our salvation absolutely I love that verse two in fact I've used that as a password you 333 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:29,320 know Helaman five twelve and the rock or however you can use that in a password sure I love 334 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:35,200 that verse one of my favorites but to really understand and appreciate you got to understand 335 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:41,480 the three verses before it nine nine ten and eleven so listen to what Helaman tells his 336 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:47,680 two sons Nephi and Lehi in Helaman five nine through eleven I'll remember remember my sons 337 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:52,440 the words which King Benjamin spake unto his people how great was that address that a hundred 338 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:57,120 years later yeah over a hundred years later they're still referencing he's to Benjamin's 339 00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:02,720 address about the atonement of Jesus Christ he's still quoting general conference talks 340 00:35:02,720 --> 00:35:09,160 yay remember that there is no other way or means where by man can be saved only through 341 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:17,560 the atoning blood there is Jesus Christ owning blood who shall atonement atoning blood who 342 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:24,200 shall come yeah remember that he cometh to redeem the world and remember also the words 343 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:30,440 which amulets baked a Z's room in the city of Ammoni Ha for he said unto him that the 344 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:37,480 Lord surely should come to redeem his people but that he should not come to redeem them 345 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:42,840 in their sins but to redeem them from their sins they have to receive it they have to 346 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:49,440 repent right and he has power given unto him from the father to redeem them from their 347 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:56,640 sins because of repentance therefore so there is the conditional part of that redemption 348 00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:03,200 is his conditional conditional upon their repentance through his blood and through their repentance 349 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:09,320 which is just our way of qualifying for the blessings that came the gift therefore he 350 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:15,320 has set his angels to declare the tidings of the conditions of repentance which bringeth 351 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:22,320 unto the power of the Redeemer unto the salvation of their souls and now here's 12 the one that 352 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:27,880 we are also familiar with and love so much and now my sons remember remember that it 353 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:34,440 is upon this rock of our Redeemer who is Christ the Son of God that ye must build your foundations 354 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:40,160 that when the devil shall send forth his mighty winds yea his shafts in the whirlwind yea 355 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:45,920 when all his hail and his mighty storm shall beat upon you it shall have no power over 356 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:51,800 you to drag you down to the Gulf of misery and endless woe because of the rock upon which 357 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:58,120 he are built which is sure found a sure foundation a foundation where on if men build they cannot 358 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:06,040 fall that is powerful yeah such powerful teaching from Helaman yeah Helaman chapter chapter 359 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:10,520 five there's a there's a little insight here that I might share you know where it talks 360 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:15,960 about in Helaman five that the devil shall send forth his mighty winds and his shafts 361 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:20,600 in the whirlwind you know it was brought a question got brought up to us a couple of 362 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:25,720 weeks ago or so when we were talking about this scripture in our institute class and 363 00:37:25,720 --> 00:37:30,720 somebody said what does that mean the shafts in the whirlwind well you know David if you 364 00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:35,600 think about it it's not really ever the whirlwind that kills you it's not the whirlwind that 365 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:41,720 gets you it's not the tornado that gets you it's the truck that's flying across the sky 366 00:37:41,720 --> 00:37:47,800 that gets you it's the it's the shafts in the whirlwind the sticks the tools whatever 367 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,760 in the whirlwind and and that you know and we and I think you know we're doing a little 368 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:57,880 parenthetical insight here but I think it's important for us to realize that we can't 369 00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:03,600 see the power of Satan we can't see you know with our own eyes but we can see the effects 370 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:09,640 of it you know and they are those shafts in the whirlwind you know we'll probably be discussing 371 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:14,160 that more and more as the podcast goes on this season but extremely important for us 372 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:21,520 to understand yeah well let's let's just focus on maybe a couple of their instances 373 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:28,240 or or scriptures that teach this doctrine and why why our course is titled what is it 374 00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:34,360 is and redemption through the blood I love doctrine come and since in all the scriptures 375 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:40,680 Scott it's in all the standard works right that it's through his blood that we are purchased 376 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:47,000 it's through his blood that we are redeemed and saved a doctrine in covenant section 76 377 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:54,880 verse 69 this you know this amazing vision given to the prophet Joseph Smith and Sidney 378 00:38:54,880 --> 00:39:01,680 Rigdon as a witness who see the father and the son they see Satan in the host of Satan 379 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:07,120 they see the celestial kingdom terrestrial kingdom telestial kingdom well in the description 380 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:15,160 I think of the celestial kingdom in doctrine come in 76 verse 69 Scott here it is these 381 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:21,920 are they who are just men made perfect through Jesus the mediator of the new covenant who 382 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:30,120 wrought out this perfect atonement through the shedding of his own blood there's no atonement 383 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:38,280 without the shedding of Christ's blood the perfect atonement wrought through the shedding 384 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:50,760 of Christ's blood it took the blood of a God to redeem us anyway and we're you know there's 385 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:58,400 so much symbol to blood itself Scott blood is a symbol of healing blood is a symbol of 386 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:04,760 cleansing of life over and over again by the way on that point over and over again in the 387 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:10,380 scriptures it talks about I'm John talks about it in revelations I think it's about seven 388 00:40:10,380 --> 00:40:19,000 times in the Book of Mormon our garments are made white through the blood of the lamb we 389 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:26,240 are cleansed I mean it's it's it's said so many different ways but we are cleansed we 390 00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:36,240 are saved we are redeemed we are made white our garments are made white through the blood 391 00:40:36,240 --> 00:40:45,800 of Jesus Christ and you know I I've mentioned this before in our other seasons but it's 392 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:52,280 blood that cleanses blood I learned that in the dry cleaning business Scott you have to 393 00:40:52,280 --> 00:41:00,280 have the same properties of blood to cleanse blood and we live in a in a world that is 394 00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:08,460 full of sin and blood from the blood and sins of this generation Jesus Christ atonement 395 00:41:08,460 --> 00:41:20,520 and his blood was necessary in order to cleanse our blood and the sins that we are all guilty 396 00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:29,360 of so blood represents even the imperfectness of man blood is the corruptible part of man 397 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:36,760 there's just so many symbols associated with blood but more than the symbols it's the literal 398 00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:46,280 we believe in the literal shedding of the blood of a God Jesus Christ that is absolutely 399 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:54,960 necessary to make the atonement his atonement perfect and have any power or efficacious 400 00:41:54,960 --> 00:42:03,040 power in our life there's one more that I'd like to kind of point out in Moses chapter 401 00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:09,160 six verse 59 yeah awesome and I and maybe we maybe this will be the last scripture that 402 00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:15,760 we discuss around this and then I have another little insight that maybe I'd like to share 403 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:22,120 Dave but so this is Moses six fifty nine actually I'm going to do fifty eight and fifty nine 404 00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:27,240 therefore fifty eight therefore I give unto you a commandment to teach these things freely 405 00:42:27,240 --> 00:42:34,440 to your children and this this is God speaking to Adam and Eve right saying so this is good 406 00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:40,160 good advice good direction for us as well to teach this to our children to our families 407 00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:45,200 to each other that by reason of transgression come at the fall which fall bringeth death 408 00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:51,800 and inasmuch as ye were born into the world by water and blood and the spirit which I 409 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:58,960 have made and so become of dust a living soul even so you must be born again unto the kingdom 410 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:07,040 of heaven of water and of the spirit and be cleansed by blood even the blood of mine only 411 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:14,160 be gotten that ye might be sanctified from all sin and enjoy the words of eternal life 412 00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:21,840 in this world and eternal life in the world to come even immortal glory I love that because 413 00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:27,400 that encapsulates for us the reason we need it and this is Adam and Eve this is from the 414 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:32,720 very very beginning yeah the very first our very first parents the very first humans on 415 00:43:32,720 --> 00:43:39,360 this earth were taught after being commanded to sacrifice a lamb that it would be through 416 00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:46,120 the blood of the Son of God that redemption would be possible. 417 00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:52,160 So you know we obviously have spent a lot of time this morning or today talking about 418 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:58,120 Jesus Christ purchasing us and the currency by which he purchased us his blood and why 419 00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:03,560 is that important well maybe we can just touch on that the importance of that again for just 420 00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:11,920 a second you know many know some don't that my experience is a little bit convoluted in 421 00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:18,320 that I'm actually a recovering alcoholic and so my experience around the atonement I have 422 00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:23,240 has been my own personal like it is for everybody's minds no more special or no less special than 423 00:44:23,240 --> 00:44:30,520 anybody else's but but that what comes with that experience comes a bit of a maybe a different 424 00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:34,960 perspective or maybe a different view and you know when I when I entered into the rooms 425 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:40,600 of Alcoholics Anonymous 25 years ago to tomorrow be 25 years from me by the way tomorrow's 426 00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:41,600 the date. 427 00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:42,600 Wow Scott. 428 00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:49,320 Yeah so 25 years ago today and I was going through all kinds of hellish experiences that 429 00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:55,280 were eventually because of the redemption redeemed and and I have become saved from all of that 430 00:44:55,280 --> 00:45:00,720 but but it doesn't just come to those of us who have that experience by way of Scripture 431 00:45:00,720 --> 00:45:05,960 you know sometimes we need ancillary and other types of help and and for me it came through 432 00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:11,320 the 12 steps of Alcoholics Anonymous the second step in the 12 steps of Alcoholics Anonymous 433 00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:16,040 and I'm reading this from the book called Alcoholics Anonymous we call we we refer to 434 00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:21,440 it as the big book we came to believe that a power greater than ourselves could restore 435 00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:28,080 us to stance to sanity to restore us to sanity in other words to you know because of this 436 00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:34,360 higher power we see that we know that higher power to be Jesus Christ the Son God the Father 437 00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:40,960 the Father and the Holy Ghost we understand that but in order for any of those simulatio 438 00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:45,600 simulations of sanity and you know and that's pretty presumptuous because a lot of us would 439 00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,080 say well I never had any sense of sanity. 440 00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:49,080 We're all crazy. 441 00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:54,880 Exactly but I you know in the broader meaning of the word which is what the way it's intended 442 00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:59,280 you know in order for us to be and we can see it as being restored to sanity we know 443 00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:03,800 we came from a pre-existence we know that that restoration for us needs to take place 444 00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:04,800 as well. 445 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:10,120 And by the way Scott the word redeemed another great synonym for that is restored. 446 00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:13,520 Right yeah that's another synonym for redeemed. 447 00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:17,920 So we're redeemed and we're restored through his blood and in order for that restoration 448 00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:22,320 to happen I need to establish and you know we'll go through this more but you know we 449 00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:27,160 go into steps four and five and then we you know which is a confession we go into six 450 00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:31,320 and seven which is a relationship with him. 451 00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:36,200 You know then we go to eleven which is a continued relationship with him and I won't get into 452 00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:41,760 all of that today we'll probably talk about it some as we go but and this is true not 453 00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:46,560 just for people in alcoholics anonymous and this but this is true for all of us in order 454 00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:52,960 for us to have any restoration in our lives to have any kind of sense of stability any 455 00:46:52,960 --> 00:47:01,440 sense of sanity if you will for lack of better word that has to happen and it can only happen 456 00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:05,480 because of our alignment with Jesus Christ through his blood. 457 00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:10,720 Yeah so let me ask you a question because maybe some other listeners are wondering the 458 00:47:10,720 --> 00:47:13,920 same thing so obviously the big book. 459 00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:20,280 Yeah and the twelve steps in alcoholics anonymous doesn't talk anything about the blood right 460 00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:26,760 of Jesus it talks about believing in a power higher than yourself. 461 00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:36,440 So based on your experience now I know Jew atheist agnostic Hindu whatever Christian 462 00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:41,280 can be blessed by the by the big book and by alcoholics not even atheists. 463 00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:42,280 You witnessed that. 464 00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:51,520 Absolutely but how how has it been enhanced for you or for others that you know through 465 00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:58,960 not just believing in a higher power but a perfect atonement wrought by the blood of 466 00:47:58,960 --> 00:47:59,960 Christ. 467 00:47:59,960 --> 00:48:04,760 Well it makes all the difference it doesn't make just a little bit of difference it makes 468 00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:09,520 all the difference now you say well what do you mean by all the difference isn't the goal 469 00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:15,000 isn't the objective in fact in our traditions we say that our primary purpose is to achieve 470 00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:20,120 sobriety and help others to achieve to stay sober and to help other people to achieve sobriety 471 00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:27,600 so that's our primary purpose but you know in order for me to have that working in my 472 00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:32,280 life and I have to get congruent with all things in my life you know one of the slogans 473 00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:38,080 that we have in alcoholics anonymous is that we practice these principles in all our affairs 474 00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:43,800 well that requires me to align with my own congruency my own congruency is a testimony 475 00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:49,400 of Jesus Christ right and I know through experience and through the experiences of others that 476 00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:57,960 I've had the opportunity to sponsor and observe and many many probably most by a long shot 477 00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:03,360 big majority not members of the church currently maybe have been but aren't currently and so 478 00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:11,520 forth it's it our our our ability to receive not just restoration not just redemption not 479 00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:16,680 just sanity not just to have our lives back free from the bondage of all the things that 480 00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:23,600 can come with addiction and and those kinds of things but more than sobriety more believing 481 00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:30,120 in a higher power that that helps you get there yeah that knowing about the blood and 482 00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:38,240 the atonement of Jesus Christ that was shed for you right has a power of transformation 483 00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:46,040 right totally power of restoration totally redemption yeah salvation yeah and ultimately 484 00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:50,680 a relationship well and even in a sense of creation you know there's a lot of us think 485 00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:56,400 of restoration and we think and we're wrong in this but we think well I just there's just 486 00:49:56,400 --> 00:50:02,400 nothing more than my life in the in my life worth restoring either you know well okay then 487 00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:08,280 let's change that then we can say that maybe it's not restoration for you maybe it's creation 488 00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:14,600 for you and he can through the restoration through the redemption he can create for you 489 00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:23,760 a life of happiness and peace yeah well I think it's got that what one of the things 490 00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:34,000 that we we can do better at individually is and his families as a church is to better 491 00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:41,680 understand and appreciate what the restoration has made available to each of us the knowledge 492 00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:49,360 the knowledge and truth that the restoration makes available to each of us and for a for 493 00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:56,400 example just one precious nugget of scripture that in the Book of Mormon when the Savior 494 00:50:56,400 --> 00:51:03,480 appears to the people at the temple in bountiful and he appears as a resurrected being and you 495 00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:07,640 you know the kind of context of this they the people are gathered at the temple there's 496 00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:16,000 been widespread tremendous destruction and they they hear a voice they see a light they 497 00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:21,520 finally look up and when they look up they they can actually begin to discern the voice 498 00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:29,240 and they hear the voice of the father introducing introducing the son and the and as he comes 499 00:51:29,240 --> 00:51:39,340 down out of heaven and he stretches forth his hand and I'm sure they see the wounds 500 00:51:39,340 --> 00:51:47,680 and he says to them I think his introduction is just how would Jesus or how will Jesus 501 00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:56,680 introduce himself when he appears what is it that Jesus would have us focus on when 502 00:51:56,680 --> 00:52:06,560 it comes to us worshipping him what does he want us to know about him and so here is a 503 00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:18,000 self introduction of Jesus to a group of people who have been looking for him he appears and 504 00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:27,940 he says this is 30 5 11 verses 10 and 11 behold I am Jesus Christ whom the prophets testified 505 00:52:27,940 --> 00:52:33,680 shall come into the world important the role of prophets right he wants to point that out 506 00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:44,000 verse 11 behold I am the light and the life of the world life you always think of blood 507 00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:52,440 light and the life of the world and I have drunk out of that bitter cup which the father 508 00:52:52,440 --> 00:53:00,640 has given me and have glorified the father in taking upon me the sins of the world in 509 00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:11,040 the which I have suffered suffered the will of the father in all things from the beginning 510 00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:18,640 if Elder Holland has reminded us it is the so what is he focus on here he focuses on 511 00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:26,600 I've I've partaken in the bitter cup I was slain I have suffered for the sins of the 512 00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:34,520 world Elder Holland has told us that it is through Christ and his suffering that allows 513 00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:45,240 us to worship not some some being who stands there with a smile on his face beckoning to 514 00:53:45,240 --> 00:53:55,040 us in a meadow it is the wounded Christ it is the wounded Christ that we that we worship 515 00:53:55,040 --> 00:54:01,000 and it was so important to him that the first things that he asked these people to do is 516 00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:07,760 to be baptized and to initiate the sacrament and when he initiates the sacrament he tells 517 00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:16,340 them this shall ye always do that those who repent and are baptized in my name and ye 518 00:54:16,340 --> 00:54:26,560 shall do it in remembrance of my blood which I have shed for you that's what he wanted 519 00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:36,240 them to know I have shed my blood for you and everything you do and Scott I know this 520 00:54:36,240 --> 00:54:44,520 is true everything that we do in the church should help us to remember the blood he shed 521 00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:51,960 for us we should see that in everything that we do in all the ordinances in all of the 522 00:54:51,960 --> 00:55:01,400 covenants that's what we should be focused on and he has told us commanded us look unto 523 00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:10,200 me in every thought doubt not fear not behold the wounds the this is the words of Jesus 524 00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:18,840 Christ in doctrine come to section six behold the wounds which pierce my side and the prince 525 00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:25,480 of the nails in my hands and feet that's what he wants us to focus on because he knows 526 00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:34,600 of the power that comes as we focus upon his suffering in the shedding of his blood and 527 00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:41,880 I think the power that comes is the effect that it has on you on me and all of our listeners 528 00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:51,040 in that it not only humbles us not not only causes us to fill remorse for the sins and 529 00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:59,360 the blood that we all are guilty of but what it does for me Scott it fills me with such 530 00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:10,200 deep gratitude which then gives me great desires right to love him to follow him to to be like 531 00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:16,640 him to be like him to when we know that he has purchased us when we know that we are 532 00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:30,360 not our own there's there is a redemptive power in just that that knowledge that testimony 533 00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:38,520 that he he purchased me I am not my own it's it's maybe not so much who am I yeah but maybe 534 00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:51,640 even more it's who's am I who's am I and that makes all the difference and who is he we'll 535 00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:58,840 talk more about that next week we talk about the premortal existence the the plan of redemption 536 00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:04,320 in the premortal existence and the rebellion that broke out and a little bit more about 537 00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:10,120 identity and who we are all important for us to know and it's important to know why 538 00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:14,560 we need to know it and I hope that that you know maybe through the week between these 539 00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:19,360 two episodes that we can be taking that into consideration it's really easy I think for 540 00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:26,640 all of us and and I know it's true for me to to to just go to to really just take for 541 00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:31,840 granted that we know why we need a savior that we know why things needed to happen the 542 00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:37,960 way that they needed to happen we we we understand the wrestle between justice and mercy we understand 543 00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:43,480 all of those things at least we think we do well gang as we go through this week our invitation 544 00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:50,520 will be to you John 17 three this is life eternal that they might know the please come 545 00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:57,040 to know him the way that we need to know him so that when we have fears when we have doubts 546 00:57:57,040 --> 00:58:03,080 you know and David made reference to this doctrine in covenant section six beginning 547 00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:07,760 thirty six look to me in every thought doubt not fear not and then he extends he have an 548 00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:11,960 invitation to behold the wounds which pierced my side and also the prince of the nails in 549 00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:19,080 my hands and my feet and so when when he's inviting us to take upon us his atonement 550 00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:24,800 to doubt not to fear not and truly the atonement of Jesus Christ and the power that comes through 551 00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:29,560 that atonement dissipates all doubt dissipates all fear but where's he inviting us to come 552 00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:34,760 David's made that quite clear today that he's inviting us to come to the cross to the garden 553 00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:40,160 and even to the garden tomb where the resurrection take took place and it's got to come to know 554 00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:45,840 him a further invitation I would leave with our listeners is to maybe make it a personal 555 00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:54,240 study on your own about the the titles of savior redeemer and all of the other titles 556 00:58:54,240 --> 00:59:01,880 that will inspire you to come to know him but I think that it's it's really edifying 557 00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:10,160 and uplifting and there's a certain power in understanding particularly the title of 558 00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:21,160 redeemer right and and also savior and creator and those titles I think those three titles 559 00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:27,280 come up the mission of Jesus Christ as well as anything and and they don't mean the same 560 00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:32,840 thing they are they all mean something different and as well as all the other titles but I 561 00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:39,120 would just invite them to look up the word redeem and to to study the word redeem or 562 00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:48,600 to study the the terms redemption versus the term salvation it's I think really interesting 563 00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:54,480 edifying and enlightening and invite listeners to do that to come to know him thanks so much 564 00:59:54,480 --> 01:00:00,040 Dave thanks for being with us gang we appreciate your participation and again don't hesitate 565 01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:06,280 to send us emails with your questions etc. at he redeems us at gmail.com thanks again 566 01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:09,800 for being with us we look forward to being with you each and every week and until we 567 01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:26,520 see you or talk to you again next week be well