5 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:32,440 Hey Scott, I'm devastated this morning. 6 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:33,440 Yeah? 7 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:43,800 Driving over here this morning, I saw a sign that said, did you know that all fruit loops 8 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:46,800 taste the same? 9 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:48,480 That devastated me. 10 00:00:48,480 --> 00:00:52,440 I thought the colors actually had different flavors. 11 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:54,400 I am so sorry for your trauma. 12 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:55,400 Did you know? 13 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:56,400 Did you know that? 14 00:00:56,400 --> 00:01:01,080 Dave, I'm just going to pretend like we didn't even have this conversation because I can 15 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:05,080 go to denial real fast and I think I will on that topic. 16 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:06,320 Did you know? 17 00:01:06,320 --> 00:01:07,720 I don't even want to talk about it. 18 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:11,720 Yes, no, I didn't know. 19 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:14,240 That devastated me, man. 20 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:15,240 I've been duped. 21 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:16,240 I know. 22 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:23,000 All these years, all these years I've been duped because I thought they all had a different 23 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:24,000 fruit flavor. 24 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:25,600 Well, I guess the real question is this. 25 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:30,160 What kind of a maniacal person would put out a poster or a sign that would say something 26 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:32,600 like that and ruin everybody's day? 27 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:36,680 That's probably the better question. 28 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:38,960 Yeah, a person's disturbed. 29 00:01:38,960 --> 00:01:40,460 They need to care about guests. 30 00:01:40,460 --> 00:01:46,360 Anyway, it devastated me and I thought, wow, the only difference between a green fruit 31 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:48,840 loop and a red fruit loop is the color. 32 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:55,120 Yeah, you thought they were like lifesavers in milk. 33 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:56,120 It tastes like lifesavers. 34 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:59,120 A green lifesaver should taste like a green lifesaver. 35 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:01,120 Well, yeah, me too. 36 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:05,720 I remember when, hey, I'm so old, I remember when fruit loops came out. 37 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:08,240 I remember the first year. 38 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:09,240 Do you really? 39 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:10,600 Yeah, I do. 40 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,120 I was like 16 years old. 41 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,240 Then I should be able to remember it. 42 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:16,320 We should Google that. 43 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:18,000 When was fruit loops first? 44 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:19,000 That's a great question. 45 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:23,880 When were fruit loops first marketed by General Mills? 46 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,320 I think you're going to see it's about 1970. 47 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:28,320 Yeah, let's see. 48 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:35,600 Well, actually, this says it was then released in the year 1963 under the name Fruit Loop. 49 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:37,120 So you would have been eight or something. 50 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:39,120 Oh, wow, I'm way off. 51 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:40,120 Well, eight, 16. 52 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:41,800 This is all the same to you. 53 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:42,800 He leaked that. 54 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:44,160 He leaked that part of his podcast. 55 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:46,480 Oh, no, I believe it, didn't it? 56 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:47,480 And that's why I probably... 57 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:52,280 I thought I was a teenager, but I remember when they came out because I thought they 58 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:54,640 were the greatest invention in the whole world. 59 00:02:54,640 --> 00:02:56,880 How old were you in 1963? 60 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:57,880 I was nine. 61 00:02:57,880 --> 00:02:58,880 Nine, OK. 62 00:02:58,880 --> 00:02:59,880 I was born. 63 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:01,200 That's the year you were born? 64 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:02,200 That's the year I was born. 65 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:05,160 Well, then no wonder that was such a great year. 66 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:06,160 Yeah, exactly. 67 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:07,160 That's a great year. 68 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:08,160 Wow. 69 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:09,160 Like a fine cereal. 70 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:10,160 We'll just call it that. 71 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:11,160 Anyway, I'm not a great... 72 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:12,160 We are way off track, but... 73 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:14,640 No, no, no, it's perfect for our topic. 74 00:03:14,640 --> 00:03:20,360 But let me say this before you get us on the right track because you have... 75 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:25,240 You say you're devastated, just a few minutes ago you just told me you shot a 77 yesterday. 76 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:27,560 Yeah, well, Scott, that's embarrassing. 77 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:28,560 You need to... 78 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:30,480 Yeah, no, I'm going to leave that on there. 79 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:31,480 I'm leaving that on there. 80 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:32,480 But that... 81 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:33,480 That's really good for a guy that was... 82 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:34,880 I thought I could trust you and brag to somebody. 83 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:40,840 That was a 77 at Fox Hollow, which is not a super easy golf course. 84 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:45,600 Now, I'm not a golfer, so no golf course is a super easy golf course to me, but I know 85 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:48,360 by reputation that Fox Hollow is not. 86 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:54,600 But to shoot a 77 and have been nine years old when you were in 1963, that's pretty remarkable, 87 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:55,600 David. 88 00:03:55,600 --> 00:04:00,360 One of these days, if I live long enough, I'm going to shoot my age, Scott. 89 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:01,360 Okay. 90 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:07,160 If I could just hang in there and shoot my age, that will be the greatest day of my life. 91 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:11,960 Well, I can shoot my age, but it's got to be on nine holes. 92 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:13,480 Yeah, that's right. 93 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:16,760 I've golfed with you, I believe that. 94 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:20,680 And you got to give me those mulligans that you're so free with when we do golf together. 95 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:21,680 Yeah. 96 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:22,680 Yeah, that was fun. 97 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:24,720 I loved to golf. 98 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:31,040 So that fruit loop thing, I was just pondering that the whole way over here, thinking, wow, 99 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:32,040 duped. 100 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:39,800 I've been duped a few colors, and that's the only difference, and how easy it is for us 101 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:48,640 to be duped in many different areas of our life, not just a sweet cereal, but in the 102 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:52,320 more important things of life. 103 00:04:52,320 --> 00:05:00,640 I think it's just our discussion today, Scott, will be, I think, extremely critical for you 104 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:08,520 and me, for our families, for our listeners, to understand how not to be duped. 105 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:15,080 And I have, I don't know why, but I've had the experience throughout my lifetime of being 106 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:24,320 in a position or in a place where I have witnessed firsthand, had a front row seat, to many individuals, 107 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:31,960 sadly, who have been duped, who have been deceived, who have, you know, become false 108 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:45,600 prophets and apostasized, and those who have been just really let astray, and it saddens 109 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:58,040 me that people are not more aware of and have a greater understanding of how revelation 110 00:05:58,040 --> 00:05:59,480 works. 111 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:04,960 So last week we talked about the Holy Ghost as being an instrument of the Atonement of 112 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:12,720 Jesus Christ, the messenger and the administrator of mercy and grace and all the effects of 113 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:14,520 the Atonement of Jesus Christ in our life. 114 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:20,800 The Holy Ghost really administers Christ and His Atonement in our life, not only the words 115 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:26,720 of Christ, but also the forgiveness and grace and mercy of Christ in our life. 116 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:34,400 The Holy Ghost is a supernal gift that we receive and I believe is with us daily as 117 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:39,160 the gift of the Holy Ghost and with all people throughout the world is the power of the Holy 118 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:40,160 Ghost. 119 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:46,480 Anyway, we talked about that last week and this week I just think that we should talk 120 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:51,880 a little more about how to receive personal revelation in our life. 121 00:06:51,880 --> 00:07:02,720 And I confess that this probably was never as critical of a topic to me personally until 122 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,600 I was ordained a patriarch. 123 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:14,280 And when I was ordained a patriarch, I had to really pay a price to try to understand 124 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:21,560 how revelation works and to develop that skill. 125 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:26,680 It's interesting that I think it was Sister Beck, General E. Said, President years ago 126 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:33,480 who first said and others have, many others have quoted her that revelation is the most 127 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:38,120 important skill that one can learn in this life. 128 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:44,960 And then I've concluded that that's true and that it is a skill and we need to work 129 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:45,960 at it. 130 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:47,680 We need to develop it. 131 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:55,800 It doesn't come by just drifting down the river on a raft or an inner tube. 132 00:07:55,800 --> 00:08:06,400 It takes really conscious daily effort and I think some principles and patterns need 133 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:14,240 to be identified in order to not be deceived, first of all. 134 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:18,440 We've been told in the scriptures that even the very elect in the latter days would be 135 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:20,600 deceived. 136 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:30,000 And unfortunately, there's too many examples of that, of the elect being deceived. 137 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:34,200 So we need to learn the skill, first of all, not to be deceived. 138 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:43,120 And second of all, to be able to receive all of the direction and guidance that our Heavenly 139 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:53,400 Father is so anxious, so willing to give us if we will just learn the principles of revelation 140 00:08:53,400 --> 00:09:01,240 and to grow as President Nelson says and to grow into the principle of revelation. 141 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:04,440 So let's talk about that, Scott. 142 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:06,000 Yeah, you got it. 143 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:12,680 You know, this topic is one that I think for myself and I think maybe a lot of the rest 144 00:09:12,680 --> 00:09:15,200 of us, we recognize the importance of it. 145 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:21,680 We understand that it's critical to our spiritual and physical and mortal development as we 146 00:09:21,680 --> 00:09:26,240 move through life in an effort to return to be with our Heavenly Father. 147 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:32,240 And there's been a lot of talks and a lot of books and a lot of various media produced 148 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:33,480 around the topic. 149 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:37,040 But you know, one of my favorite, I think when it comes to revelation, and I'll say 150 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:40,920 this today and I'll have a new different favorite tomorrow based on another different conversation. 151 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:42,440 I'm just kind of that way with this stuff. 152 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:50,320 But Elder Bednar gave a lot of really great direction in 2018. 153 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:54,280 And I think this was at a mission leaders conference or something like that. 154 00:09:54,280 --> 00:10:00,160 He's talking about revelation and some of the very first things that he talks about. 155 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:05,200 And I don't think this is a quote to him, but maybe just a recap of what's being said 156 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:06,200 in his talk. 157 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:12,360 Receiving, recognizing and responding to revelation from God, our spiritual gifts for 158 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:18,680 which latter day Saint should yearn and appropriately seek said Elder David Bednar of the Quorum 159 00:10:18,680 --> 00:10:24,080 of the Twelve Apostles in a 2018 Mission Leadership Seminar on June 26. 160 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:27,080 So if you're interested in finding that, I have read that. 161 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:30,280 It's been it's been a while since I read that to my brother-in-law. 162 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:36,320 I have a one of Deb's brothers is a stake president here in Springville, Utah, and we 163 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,720 were at dinner Friday night, Friday night. 164 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:44,320 And it's all I love going to dinner with him like I love going to dinner with you because 165 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:45,880 we get talking about things. 166 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:50,000 And we, you know, next thing we know it's midnight, you know, kicking us out of the 167 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:51,000 restaurant. 168 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:56,160 But we were talking about this revelation and this this specific talk that Elder Bednar 169 00:10:56,160 --> 00:11:04,720 gave some of the most important things for us in mortality, David, is how do we recognize, 170 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,880 respond to and receive revelation? 171 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:16,120 Yeah, I really believe that it's really one of the great mortal challenges and lessons 172 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:19,640 that we all need to take more seriously. 173 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:27,000 And we need to think about it and and today's an opportunity for us to discuss it. 174 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:33,120 And it's an exhaustive topic, one of which will just probably barely touch the surface, 175 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:38,120 but I hope it will be helpful to our listeners. 176 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:46,240 It's been interesting to me, it left an impression upon me that the first talk that President 177 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:56,600 Nelson gave as president of the church, Scott, was the he entitled the talk, the first main 178 00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:04,600 address he gave as the prophet of the church was entitled Revelation for the church and 179 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:06,840 for our personal lives. 180 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:13,440 So his first topic really was on revelation and he said in that talk, I'll quote it, one 181 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:21,920 of the things the spirit has repeatedly impressed upon my mind since my new calling as president 182 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:24,280 of the church. 183 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:27,680 I mean that should get anybody's attention. 184 00:12:27,680 --> 00:12:36,960 I'm sure it did if anyone was listening to General Conference that in April 2018. 185 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:41,200 When the new president church says the one thing that has been repeatedly impressed upon 186 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:49,400 my mind since my new calling is how willing the Lord is to reveal his mind and will. 187 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:56,240 The privilege of receiving revelation is one of the greatest gifts of God to his children. 188 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:59,720 I just I'll never forget him saying that. 189 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:10,160 I'll always cherish that that we are entitled to receive revelation and the Lord is so willing, 190 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:15,560 excited, I would even say to give us revelation. 191 00:13:15,560 --> 00:13:18,880 But it takes work, Scott. 192 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:24,440 The one thing I've learned about revelation is it takes work. 193 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:28,080 President Nelson said in another talk, the Lord doesn't like lazy learners, you know, 194 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:32,560 in his I think classic talk called here hear him. 195 00:13:32,560 --> 00:13:34,360 The Lord doesn't like lazy learners. 196 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:40,760 Well, I don't know how much the Lord doesn't or doesn't like lazy learners. 197 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:41,760 I don't think he said that. 198 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:43,480 I don't know how he said it. 199 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:51,520 But the point is, I know that you can't be lazy and just drift if you want to receive 200 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:56,640 guidance, direction and revelation from from our Heavenly Father. 201 00:13:56,640 --> 00:14:05,160 So I submit to all of us that we need to just be more aware, conscious, more active, proactive 202 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:11,560 in in trying to seek revelation, but not to force it. 203 00:14:11,560 --> 00:14:16,240 So just maybe a precursor to everything else we say today. 204 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:18,480 It can't be forced. 205 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:23,880 And there are too many people in this church who try to force it. 206 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:30,360 And if you try to force it, I promise you, you'll get revelation, but it won't be from 207 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:31,960 the Lord. 208 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:38,800 It'll be either your own determination, your own thoughts, your your own pleasure that 209 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:46,000 you're trying to carry out, or it'll be from another source and an evil source even. 210 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:47,480 And that can be Satan. 211 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,480 Again, Scott, I've seen that. 212 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:56,440 You know, I don't know if I ever told you this, Scott, or my family, but I served with 213 00:14:56,440 --> 00:15:00,880 Ron Lafferty in a church calling. 214 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:07,280 And Ron Lafferty, I think he passed away this year last on death row at the Utah State 215 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:08,880 Prison. 216 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:09,920 And I served with him. 217 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:11,360 I prayed with him. 218 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:17,480 He and I, just the two of us, knelt in his home and prayed because we had us. 219 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:19,920 We shared a certain church calling. 220 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,360 And I loved him and I loved his family. 221 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:27,520 I taught some of his daughters in in seminary. 222 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:39,160 So to watch what happened to him has been a life lesson for me to not try to force revelation. 223 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:49,080 Ron who sought really I don't think this is unfair for me to say was always kind of trying 224 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:56,000 to seek certain church positions and felt like he should be the next Bishop. 225 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:59,360 And when he wasn't, he was devastated by that. 226 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:05,640 And when he didn't kind of move up in the hierarchy of the church, and I've seen that 227 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:10,760 too many times, I think that's one of the occupational hazards of a Latter-day Saints 228 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:19,040 sometimes is they think that leadership positions somehow makes them more holy or some 229 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:23,360 how is evidence of the Lord's approval or I don't know. 230 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:30,280 It's it's a it's a real challenge for some individuals, brother and especially, but but 231 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:33,680 I've even known of some sisters in Minnesota. 232 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:39,360 There was a hard case we had of an apostate woman who believed that she should have been 233 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:42,920 called to be general relief society president. 234 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:47,400 And so she starts having revelations and they they just force it. 235 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:54,160 They force it and they think that and Saint puts this this pride or these ideas in their 236 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:55,240 mind. 237 00:16:55,240 --> 00:17:01,400 You know, Ron was influenced by his brother Dan who was involved in the school of the 238 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:02,400 prophets. 239 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:09,240 They called it an organization down in Spanish Fork and and they start getting revelation 240 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:11,400 through rocks. 241 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,720 Their own little seer stones. 242 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:20,720 I've I've seen individuals who belong to that organization and they've shown me their 243 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:25,480 stone and I I just go wow. 244 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:29,880 You know, it revelations Scott is delicate. 245 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:34,020 It's very delicate and it's very sacred. 246 00:17:34,020 --> 00:17:40,240 But if one tries to manipulate it or one tries to force it. 247 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:49,680 That is like an invitation with open arms to Satan saying, come on. 248 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:55,320 Give me something and and he will believe me, he will. 249 00:17:55,320 --> 00:18:02,080 And in Ron Lafferty's case, it led to a revelation to murder people. 250 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:07,760 It read first it led to a revelation to marry multiple women. 251 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:13,760 And when his wife would approve that and the bishop and the stake president was counseling 252 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:19,640 with his wife, then he got a revelation to kill the bishop, kill the stake president, 253 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:22,200 which he wasn't able to do. 254 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:28,520 But he also got a revelation to kill his brother Alan's wife, which he did and killed killed 255 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:35,040 their their baby and was on death row for for so many years. 256 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:44,480 I remember that right after they were captured and they were arrested and Ron tried to commit 257 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:47,080 to suicide. 258 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:55,960 And Dan was interviewed and Dan, who was also in prison said, well, I think I think Ron 259 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:57,960 is possessed. 260 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:01,280 Well, really? 261 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:06,080 That might be the only truth you've told. 262 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:12,280 Yeah, I really, Scott, I and and there are so many other examples of this. 263 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:16,600 Well, and I don't know why, but it seems like, yeah, I do know why there's just a higher 264 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:19,320 concentration of members of the church here. 265 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:22,440 And when that when you have that, then sometimes you have some of these offshoots. 266 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:27,800 I had a not a girlfriend, but a girl that I dated right after my mission and we became 267 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:32,240 quite close and I'm not going to say the name because this one didn't go on the news. 268 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:36,520 And there was no tragic criminal investigations or anything around that. 269 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:43,440 So it's not as public, but you know, David, and you know, what just the devastation there? 270 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:50,840 I was also one of I think Dan's daughter's friends in school, one of the laughter days 271 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,160 and just to see the devastation around that. 272 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:58,240 But you know, we're talking about revelation today, but we didn't just start episode one. 273 00:19:58,240 --> 00:19:59,920 We're episode 34 or 35. 274 00:19:59,920 --> 00:20:02,080 I can't remember for sure, but we're episode 34. 275 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:05,880 I think today we didn't just start talking about revelation today. 276 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:11,960 We started talking about knowing who we are, who's we are, understanding the name and faith 277 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:12,960 in the name. 278 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:16,320 I mean, we have gone through the entire doctrine of Christ and we're this is still part of 279 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:17,320 the doctrine of Christ. 280 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:19,240 Don't get me wrong, but we didn't start here. 281 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:20,680 We started at the beginning. 282 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:21,960 We worked our way here. 283 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:28,360 And so there's there can be sometimes some miscommunication between ourself and maybe 284 00:20:28,360 --> 00:20:34,240 what we're trying to perceive as being communicate to us, etc. around revelation. 285 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:37,000 And sometimes we just think, OK, I got to get revelation. 286 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:41,600 I've just got to I've got to learn more about but no, that's not really how I mean, it can 287 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,720 work that way, I suppose, but that's not how it's intended to work. 288 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,000 You know, we work the Atonement of Jesus Christ. 289 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:51,200 We put on when I say work, we put on the Atonement of Jesus Christ, we change our attitudes, we 290 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,680 change the direction we face in our life. 291 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:57,120 We put all things behind us that are not of Him. 292 00:20:57,120 --> 00:20:58,220 We face Him. 293 00:20:58,220 --> 00:21:04,480 We make changes in our lives to invite and to become a and to have the constant companionship 294 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,840 of the Holy Ghost. 295 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:11,560 Without that constant companionship or without that pretty regular companionship and without 296 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:17,800 the gift of the Holy Ghost having been bestowed, we are at a disadvantage when it comes to 297 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:18,800 revelation. 298 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:23,800 Because we look at this word revelation and it there's a there's a certain mystique to 299 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:27,960 it, a little bit of I don't really totally understand it. 300 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:34,240 And one of the things that we learn from Scripture, if we go all the way back to 1st Nephi, right, 301 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:38,880 1st Nephi chapter one verse six, when Nephi had taken layman and Lemuel and they were 302 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,760 going to get the brass plates, right. 303 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:49,080 Now Nephi wasn't concerned about revelation, he wasn't focusing on that I know of it, we 304 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:50,520 don't read that anyway. 305 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:54,200 I'm focusing on revelation, how do I get revelation, how do I get revelation. 306 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:59,480 But what we do know is that Nephi was living his life in a way that he had subjected his 307 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:01,040 will to the Father. 308 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:04,240 We know that the Holy Ghost was his constant companion. 309 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,240 We know that he was being led by the Holy Ghost. 310 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,920 We know that his father was. 311 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:13,480 And as that was taken place, we read right here in verse six of chapter four and 1st 312 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:19,040 Nephi, I was led by the Spirit not knowing beforehand the things which I should do. 313 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:27,440 So sometimes revelation is as a result of our living the Gospel as is a result of us 314 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:32,880 having the companionship of the Holy Ghost and making our best choices and decisions 315 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,800 in our life based on the Spirit that's with us. 316 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:40,320 That is an elder bedner talks a little bit about that in his talk that I referenced earlier, 317 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:45,200 but that's kind of one of the beginnings or one of the places where all of us should 318 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,640 have revelation at work in our lives. 319 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:51,520 Yeah, well, I love everything you just said. 320 00:22:51,520 --> 00:23:02,240 I I do want to say today, Scott, that it seems to be one of the great dividing points for 321 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:11,360 those who may have a faith crisis or decide to leave the church is following their own 322 00:23:11,360 --> 00:23:19,280 revelation and identifying revelation from the church or from the prophet. 323 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:26,360 I listen to another podcast recently and this individual had concluded in all of his studies 324 00:23:26,360 --> 00:23:32,560 and he does podcasts on this all the time, but he had concluded that the number one reason 325 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:39,400 people were leaving the church was that they were following their own revelation in favor 326 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:46,680 of their own trusting themselves more than they trusted the prophet or were willing to 327 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:51,440 accept his authority or trust in his revelations. 328 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:57,880 And I think this whole talk by President Nelson on revelation in the church and individually 329 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:04,760 is really important in that we understand the pattern of God in always since Adam and 330 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:15,200 Eve there have there's been a process in which God speaks to his children through his prophets 331 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,200 and we can best receive revelation. 332 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:23,800 I know we can receive personal revelation and we'll talk mostly about that today, but 333 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:30,720 we can receive revelation by knowing that God has prophets on this earth and when we 334 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:38,000 do not follow their counsel, then we open ourselves up to be deceived. 335 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:43,360 Now I I know I know prophets are not infallible. 336 00:24:43,360 --> 00:24:51,480 I know that there are policies and procedures that change practices change in the church. 337 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:57,400 Revelation comes and goes regarding certain policies and procedures and practices, but 338 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:07,160 Scott doctrine never changes and when prophets speak, we should listen and as able as we 339 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,400 can we should obey. 340 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:17,800 And if we do, we will be blessed the gates of hell shall not prevail against us that 341 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:25,080 great promise in doctrine and covenants section 21 verses 4 through 6 and if we follow prophets. 342 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:29,920 Now I'm probably spending too much time on this already, but I just have to tell you the 343 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,160 whole thing with Ron Lafferty. 344 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:37,280 I asked his best friend, his neighbor, what happened to run? 345 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,640 How did that how that even happen? 346 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:41,640 Where did that even start? 347 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:45,800 Do you have any idea or clue where that all started? 348 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:50,520 And Brother Hurran told me that they were hunting. 349 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:57,480 This was right after President Kimball back in the late 1970s had given a talk in October. 350 00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:58,480 Right. 351 00:25:58,480 --> 00:25:59,920 You know what happens in October in Utah? 352 00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:05,560 Dear husband and President Kimball had given this priesthood talk to the brother. 353 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:06,920 Don't shoot the little birdie. 354 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,120 I will never forget that talk. 355 00:26:10,120 --> 00:26:13,560 As a matter of fact, I'll never forget where I was sitting in the Tabernacle in American 356 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,060 for Tabernacle. 357 00:26:15,060 --> 00:26:20,720 I was sitting by listening on my dad was to my right and Grandpa Derpy was to his right. 358 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,680 We were all in the same row there. 359 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,480 And when that when that came on, don't shoot the little birdies, man. 360 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:29,040 I got I got an elbow right in the ribs from my dad. 361 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:30,040 Good. 362 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:31,040 Yeah. 363 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:35,080 I was at the BYU Merriott Center listening to it. 364 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:39,840 And anyway, so he gives this talk about don't shoot the little birdies. 365 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,040 Well, a few weeks later, right? 366 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:43,680 They're on the deer hunt. 367 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:48,080 Dennis Hurran and Ron Lafferty friends, neighbors with their boys. 368 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:53,480 And it's the last day of the hunt and they haven't shot anything. 369 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,200 You know, you know what happens there. 370 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:56,200 Oh, yeah. 371 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,840 Then anything that moves, anything that moves. 372 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:03,920 And, and they were kind of shooting at different things, rabbits and other things like that. 373 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,600 And Dennis wasn't feeling very comfortable about it. 374 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:13,000 And so brother Hurran says to Ron, Ron, Ron, what do you think about what President Kimball 375 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:18,080 said about not shooting little birdies? 376 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:24,960 And he said that Ron was just went off and he was so angry. 377 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:29,560 And he said, President Kimball knows nothing about deer hunting. 378 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,120 He's never been deer hunting. 379 00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:33,340 He's never taken his boys hunting. 380 00:27:33,340 --> 00:27:36,840 He doesn't know what it's like. 381 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:45,520 And it's not so much of what Ron said, but how he said it, that a prophet had made him 382 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,320 mad. 383 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:54,920 And because of his anger, then all kinds of other problems began to creep in. 384 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:59,160 And it wasn't more than a year later that Ron was getting his own revelations. 385 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:04,320 So you bring up Nephi and Nephi being led by the Spirit, not knowing beforehand what he 386 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:05,320 should do. 387 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:10,160 Well, the reason he was able to receive revelation like that, Scott, was because he followed 388 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:11,160 a prophet. 389 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:12,520 His dad, exactly. 390 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,640 He followed a prophet. 391 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:24,560 And as a result of seeking to fulfill the mission given to him by a prophet, he was able to 392 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,440 receive personal revelation. 393 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:32,880 While on the other hand, Laman and Lemuel, who went begrudgingly, didn't really want 394 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:38,080 to go, didn't really want to follow the, I mean, they were following their dad and they 395 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:39,080 were angry about it. 396 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,000 They didn't see their dad as the prophet. 397 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,000 As a prophet. 398 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:43,000 Right? 399 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:47,640 They didn't see that, I mean, ultimately Nephi knew that he was following the Lord through 400 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,440 the prophet. 401 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:55,840 And Laman and Lemuel thought they were just following their dad, Lehi, who was maybe deranged. 402 00:28:55,840 --> 00:29:00,960 So because Nephi knew that the Lord spoke through prophets and he was willing to follow 403 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:05,440 that direction, he was able to receive his own revelation. 404 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:11,320 I think there's a pattern in that for all of us, that if we will follow, seek to the 405 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:18,520 best of our ability to follow the counsel given to us by prophets and apostles of the 406 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:25,720 Lord Jesus Christ, we will be able to receive our own personal revelation on how to do that, 407 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:34,400 which will then bless in ways that we can't imagine will bless our families. 408 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:41,600 Moses said in the book of Numbers, I would to God that all the Lord's people would be 409 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,600 prophets. 410 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:52,280 Well, prophets as defined by John in Revelation is the spirit of prophecy is testimony of the 411 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:53,880 Lord Jesus Christ. 412 00:29:53,880 --> 00:30:00,080 And it would be awesome if we were all prophets, little P, not capital P. 413 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,720 And we can be Scott in our own families. 414 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:10,880 If we will follow the prophet that God has established on the earth. 415 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:21,280 And so I just think that's an important point that we need to make in our discussion of revelation 416 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:26,480 is understanding that there's revelation in the church and that we can receive personal 417 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:33,080 revelation when there is no counsel given to us from the church in regards to some of 418 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:34,600 our personal decisions. 419 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:40,280 The prophets not going to tell us where to move usually or when to move or there have 420 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:46,120 been examples of that too, I guess, in church history where they are moving across history. 421 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,080 Absolute exceptions, probably all of these examples. 422 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:53,720 But we're going to have to receive our own personal revelation. 423 00:30:53,720 --> 00:31:00,800 So I know the Lord and his prophets got want us to receive revelation. 424 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,600 President Nelson in that same first talk is present the church. 425 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:10,280 And this this I think statement has maybe been quoted more by the brother in the last 426 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,680 five years than any other. 427 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:16,960 Maybe President Nelson has made since being present the church. 428 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:26,560 He said this is the April 2018 conference, but in coming days, it will not be possible 429 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:38,040 to survive spiritually without the guiding, directing, comforting and constant, constant 430 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:43,320 influence of the Holy Ghost. 431 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,080 Think about that, Scott. 432 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:52,920 It's not it will not be possible to survive spiritually without the guiding, directing, 433 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:58,440 comforting and constant influence of the Holy Ghost. 434 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:10,040 That is such a powerful prophetic statement that should get all of our attention and therefore 435 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:17,120 this is such an important topic for us to try to understand and revelations such an 436 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:24,720 important skill that we should all seek to master again without manipulating it, trying 437 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,320 to force it or even to control it. 438 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:35,080 All we can do is be open minded, openhearted. 439 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:43,680 And I have a list of seven things that we can do in order to increase revelation in 440 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,360 our lives. 441 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:52,640 So this is this part of the podcast is the how how can we receive revelation? 442 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,880 Why should we receive it? 443 00:32:54,880 --> 00:33:01,680 I just read that statement because if you don't, if you don't receive constant influence, 444 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:11,560 guiding, direction from the Holy Ghost, we will not survive spiritually. 445 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:20,200 So we need to get our own personal revelation all within our stewardship, right? 446 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:21,480 There's a stewardship. 447 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:27,280 This is another principle, I think, of revelation is that you need to stay in your lane. 448 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,760 I kind of hate that term because it's overused these days. 449 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,000 But you need to kind of stay in your lane when it comes to revelation. 450 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:39,560 And you can't get revelation for the church if you're not the president of the church 451 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:45,640 and you don't have those keys and you can't get revelation for the ward if you're not 452 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,680 the bishop who has who's the presiding high priest. 453 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:55,160 You can't get you can't start getting revelation telling the elders corn president how to do 454 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,560 if you're not the elders corn president. 455 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:06,280 I mean, Scott, there's that's just common sense to me that there's a line and a stewardship 456 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,680 when it comes to receiving revelation. 457 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:17,840 And we all need to to respect that and to to to understand what is my stewardship. 458 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:26,560 And we all have a stewardship over ourselves and over if I'm a dad or a mom over my children, 459 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,720 I can receive revelation for my children. 460 00:34:29,720 --> 00:34:34,080 And that doesn't mean they have to accept it that I can force it. 461 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:40,080 But I can receive revelation to guide give guidance and direction for individuals that 462 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:44,340 I minister to that I have anyway. 463 00:34:44,340 --> 00:34:47,680 So I think that's an important point when we talk about. 464 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:52,560 Well, and at the very least, you know, I can receive revelation on how to how to behave 465 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:57,520 with or how to interact with those that I minister to and especially my family, you know, as a 466 00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,720 patriarch of my family. 467 00:34:59,720 --> 00:35:04,880 And I have, you know, Melchizedek Priesthood holders in my family, you know, so there 468 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:10,680 there becomes that too, you know, but I can do the the definite revelation that I can 469 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:15,460 receive is revelation for me and how I behave and how I interact. 470 00:35:15,460 --> 00:35:19,360 And there can be other things too, you know, for the family at large and, you know, and 471 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,560 I'm elders corn president in our ward currently. 472 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,640 And so, you know, there's things that are attached to that as well. 473 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:31,000 But at the very least, and maybe among the most important things that we will receive 474 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:39,400 revelation about is how do we in a Christlike manner interact and and behave with and around 475 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:40,400 other people? 476 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:41,400 Yeah. 477 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:48,240 In fact, I'm going to read one passage of scripture that that kind of touches on Scott, 478 00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:53,120 how we interact and how we how we act with others. 479 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,400 Now, this this has always been an important scripture to me. 480 00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:01,920 I think it's a pattern of revelation and it's in doctrine and covenants section 52. 481 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:07,200 Scott starting with verse 14. 482 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,600 And he he calls it a pattern. 483 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:14,120 I give you a pattern in all things that you may not be deceived. 484 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:20,560 So I I've always loved this passage, we're going to read verses 14 through 19. 485 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:28,400 Scott, as as if you don't mind reading it, let's look for as we read it in encourage 486 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:34,280 all the rest of you if you're not driving to look this passage up and study it to identify 487 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:40,720 the patterns of revelation in verses 14 through 19 of section 52. 488 00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:46,320 And again, I will give unto you a pattern in all things that you may not be deceived 489 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:53,400 for Satan is abroad in the land and he goeth forth deceiving the nation and individuals. 490 00:36:53,400 --> 00:37:00,040 Wherefore he that prayeth whose spirit is contrite and the same is accepted of me if 491 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,480 he obey my ordinances. 492 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:10,240 The so so I think that's super important that we understand the the the ordinances are covenantal 493 00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:16,280 relationship has a huge component to a huge part of what's going on here with Revelation 494 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:17,280 day. 495 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:18,280 Absolutely. 496 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:23,520 That's it's all about relationships and the more the closer relationship we have with 497 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:29,200 our our Heavenly Father as we as we participate in the ordinances of the Gospel and we go 498 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:38,040 to holy sacred places and we invite him to to be a part of our lives. 499 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,440 That's an important part of Revelation. 500 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,480 But but notice whose spirit is contrite. 501 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:44,480 Right. 502 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:51,800 A person who is going to get most revelation is the person who is repenting. 503 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,400 And that's our whole courses about that. 504 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:56,400 Right. 505 00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:00,120 The person who's going to get revelation is a person who's repenting. 506 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:01,120 Okay. 507 00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:05,320 Well and Elder Anderson in the book even even expounds on that a little bit when he talks 508 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:09,200 about having a contrite spirit and talking about what that really means is having our 509 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,480 will swallowed up by Heavenly Father's will. 510 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:16,640 You know so that that gives us some good insight to that verse 15. 511 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:23,480 And now verse 16 he that speaketh whose spirit is contrite whose languages make and edifyeth 512 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:29,520 and edifyeth the same as of God if he obey mine ordinances. 513 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:34,760 So there's that's a critical key takeaway there. 514 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:41,120 So that's only in effect if that person also is obeying the ordinances right keeping his 515 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:42,120 covenants. 516 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:46,080 Yeah he repeats that when the Lord repeats something I should get our attention. 517 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:47,080 That's right. 518 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:57,000 But but Scott I I am well I won't use any names but I've heard podcasts and YouTube presentations 519 00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:07,680 and as a teacher for 40 years in and out of the church Scott I've heard people whose language 520 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:23,400 is not meek doesn't edify and and there they don't speak being contrite and you can you 521 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:24,560 can tell a difference. 522 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:25,560 Yeah. 523 00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:34,360 And I mean the spirit I mean the individuals who are who don't just leave the church but 524 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,840 can't leave the church alone. 525 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:44,360 I can't judge them individually but just collectively my experiences just my experience watching 526 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:51,880 them is that they don't they don't they don't fit this pattern. 527 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:52,880 Yeah. 528 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:57,680 I mean they they're not they're not meek in their language. 529 00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:59,360 It doesn't edify. 530 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:07,680 It seeks to really destroy and anyway I so verse 16 I think is a really critical part 531 00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:14,000 of the pattern 17 and again he that tremble if under my power shall be made strong and 532 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:19,840 shall bring forth fruits of praise and wisdom according to the revelations and truths which 533 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:21,280 I have given you. 534 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:27,000 Also I think 17 Scott for me is you better be reverent you better know what reverence 535 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:34,760 is you better know what reverence and worship really mean that that you respect God's power 536 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:41,760 and that you understand where you you understand where you stand with God. 537 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:46,560 That's that's really critical and I think that's what verse 17 saying. 538 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:55,400 And 18 and again he that is overcome and bringeth not forth fruits even according to this pattern 539 00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,640 is not of me. 540 00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:05,840 Wherefore by this pattern you shall know the spirits in all cases under the whole heavens. 541 00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:12,920 If one will really study that passage Scott it will help us to not be deceived. 542 00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:17,440 So I recommend that passage to all of us to study. 543 00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:24,160 Well let's let's let's jump into the seven what I call just I don't know what to call 544 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:30,440 it better but I just called it the seven keys to receiving personal revelation. 545 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:36,920 Now I know there are more keys I know that these are just kind of my list and and I don't 546 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:41,120 even like checklist so you know I hate steps. 547 00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,920 I you know I don't want to kind of teach it like that. 548 00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,680 I'm just saying here are some keys. 549 00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:53,480 Not all the keys not all the you know not all the principles but here are some important 550 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:57,440 principles to help us to receive personal revelation. 551 00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:04,160 So number one and we've talked enough probably about this we don't need to say a lot more 552 00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,240 about it. 553 00:42:06,240 --> 00:42:17,720 Number one to identify fears and other negative emotions and replace them with faith and love. 554 00:42:17,720 --> 00:42:26,440 Perfect love casteth out all fear and believe me Scott I have come to know for myself that 555 00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:36,480 fear can dominate one's life and can be an absolutely stumbling block total block to 556 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:49,480 us receiving revelation if we if we do not learn how to control irrational fears in our 557 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:50,480 life. 558 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:59,240 Anyway we've talked a lot about that over the well and you said this podcast you said 559 00:42:59,240 --> 00:43:02,800 other negative emotions I think that we should probably hit on that for just a second you 560 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:08,440 know throughout this podcast we talk about inappropriate emotions negative emotions inappropriate 561 00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:15,200 thoughts and feelings and so on and I think that so often that just because of our conditioning 562 00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:20,840 in in this life in our culture I think because of that conditioning we automatically think 563 00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:24,480 of you know pornographic or sexual connotation. 564 00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:28,360 Lost is one of those inappropriate but there's so many others that I think that escape us 565 00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:32,200 if we don't touch on them and I just want to take a second to do that so for example 566 00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:40,200 anger hostility yes resentment yes jealousy jealousy envy and V coveting there you go 567 00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:46,440 you know all of those insecurities feelings of control you know a desire to manipulate 568 00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,760 and control any of those feelings. 569 00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:55,640 Comparing yourself to the form of coveting or envy and if we don't control those emotions 570 00:43:55,640 --> 00:44:01,120 it blocks our ability to receive revelation any emotion or feeling that blocks us from 571 00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:05,960 filling the spirit or being able to receive that revelation are the negative emotions 572 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:11,520 that we refer to when we make that reference and the key to overcoming them Scott all of 573 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:20,960 them not just fear is to number one become aware of them number two pray immediately 574 00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:29,520 with all energy of heart to be filled with love I believe perfect love not only overcomes 575 00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:39,600 all fear perfect love overcomes all lust all anger hostility envy coveting all inappropriate 576 00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:44,920 emotions I don't think your heart can be filled with perfect love the love of Christ the gift 577 00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:52,280 of charity and other negative emotions dominate your life so that's number one number two 578 00:44:52,280 --> 00:45:00,600 we talked a little bit about this last week Scott remove the pavilions of selfish inappropriate 579 00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:12,760 motives and prideful desires by replacing them with not my will but dying be done this is 580 00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:22,640 just going to the altar and saying what I'll do whatever that wants me to do I not trying 581 00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:28,080 to answer your own prayers in other words not not saying well this I don't want to do 582 00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:34,000 that this is you know we always have the self-talk with ourselves about what we want to do and 583 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:42,000 what we don't want to do and oftentimes our selfish is our selfish motives and our prideful 584 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:56,480 desires dominate our decisions instead of being open blank slate saying what what should 585 00:45:56,480 --> 00:46:02,600 I do now I know we need to study it out in our minds I know that it takes work to get 586 00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:10,320 revelation and President Elton said that talk again we keep referencing that good revelation 587 00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:19,160 comes from good information I know that I know we need to pay a price in in that but 588 00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:28,000 we need to be open and willing that if the Lord speaks to us we are absolutely our heart 589 00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:36,200 is open to receive that and when there's pavilions of selfishness and pride in our life yet again 590 00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:45,400 keeps us from receiving revelation number three increased purity and confidence in the presence 591 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:57,360 of God which comes as a result of letting virtue govern our thoughts we need to control 592 00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:04,120 our thoughts not just our emotions Scott not just our emotions not just our motives but 593 00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:10,160 we need to control our thoughts now I know we can't choose all the thoughts that come 594 00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:19,360 into our mind but we can certainly choose which one stay and we need to take back control 595 00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:28,840 of our minds and learn how to control our thoughts by replacing them with more appropriate 596 00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:36,520 holy sacred thoughts quoting scriptures singing hymns anyway there's many ways to control 597 00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:43,520 our thoughts someone said once Scott this was a sign I said I saw in northern Minnesota 598 00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:49,680 driving past an old farm in northern Minnesota this man felt so strongly about this and it 599 00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:53,680 was probably original with him because I've never seen anywhere else and he had made this 600 00:47:53,680 --> 00:48:01,400 big sign probably about five feet by five feet and hung it up in his field in his farm 601 00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:08,040 high enough so everybody could see it and it said watch what you view because what you 602 00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:16,080 watch will become your view I think one of the really key ways to control our thoughts 603 00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:22,880 is to control what we watch what we spend time looking at and if we will control what 604 00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:30,360 we watch I've told you this before and in the podcast that I hate commercials I hate 605 00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:36,680 watching commercials there are so many inappropriate things on commercials that I am preparing 606 00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:41,600 to give a patriarchal blessing I had to have everything recorded because I couldn't watch 607 00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:47,400 inappropriate commercials and it's true of what we listen to on the radio to it's true 608 00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:53,120 of the music that we listen to what we watch what we listen to if we're not careful it 609 00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:58,360 will become our view it will dominate our thoughts Satan will use those things against 610 00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:08,880 us so we need to take control of our minds by what we choose to watch a number four 611 00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:21,920 use instruments of grace such as the scriptures prayer sacred art and music the temple even 612 00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:27,240 we just had the dedication of the Saratoga Springs temple which was an amazing experience 613 00:49:27,240 --> 00:49:32,920 Scott I was I was so thankful to be there and be in the celestial room with President 614 00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:37,800 Eyring when he dedicated it and I won the parts of it that stood out to me and I'm just 615 00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:43,960 paraphrasing is in the dedicatory prayer he said something to the effect that even those 616 00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:52,840 who who just come here to the grounds just to the grounds of the temple will be blessed 617 00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:57,280 with greater discernment yeah that's what he said yeah that was actually in the newspaper 618 00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:02,840 they quoted him okay yeah whatever they quoted him the dedicatory prayer exactly they quoted 619 00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:08,200 him on saying that this place would be a refuge for those who come in and and I'm not going 620 00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:13,840 to say it exactly but the reference was even the grounds the temple even the grounds is 621 00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:20,520 a group is an instrument of grace that God has given us to help us to connect with him 622 00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:25,920 and receive revelation Scott so I'm gonna I'm gonna push pause on you for just one second 623 00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:30,120 I shared this experience with you before we started the podcast today I think I'm gonna 624 00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:34,520 share it now when I was going through a really tough time in my life and I needed to find 625 00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:38,960 a place to stay I stayed with my parents for about a year when I went through a divorce 626 00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:43,680 they had some property was grandpa's property a lot of it but behind you know where I live 627 00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:48,560 we lived and grew up and the back back far far far not on our property but back quite 628 00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:53,960 a ways further and end up on the hill the Tempanogos temple was being built at that 629 00:50:53,960 --> 00:51:00,520 time and I felt that David I got good great counsel by a loving bishop at that time and 630 00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:04,200 without getting to into all the details but there would be nights sometimes when I couldn't 631 00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:09,440 sleep and I would just go on a motorcycle I'd get on my motorcycle and I'd ride up 632 00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:13,520 there and I'd sit on the grass in the middle of the night middle night one two three in 633 00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:19,600 the morning in the summer on the temple grounds before and after it was dedicated and I felt 634 00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:26,560 that I felt that power it invokes emotion in me right now to go back and recall those 635 00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:31,280 sacred sweet experiences that I had there as I was communing with my heavenly father 636 00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:35,040 trying to put my life back together and figure out what was going on it may have saved your 637 00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:43,360 life yeah and it may have so I that's an instrument of grace so using instruments of grace scriptures 638 00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:51,680 prayer sacred art music temple and service yeah service itself Scott is an instrument 639 00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:58,000 of grace serving others I think you are an amazing example of that Scott the number of 640 00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:05,360 people that you sponsor the number of people that you mentor the note I know you've told 641 00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:11,720 me this you've told me this that one of the keys to your sobriety is your willingness 642 00:52:11,720 --> 00:52:17,640 to give back and to sponsor is am I using the right that's exactly right yeah to sponsor 643 00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:25,280 people yeah in the addiction recovery programs and a a programs yeah and and it's an instrument 644 00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:36,960 of grace and fasting is an instrument of grace I think fact I know it just seems to me I'm 645 00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:44,080 old I know but it just seems to me that fasting used to be a little more emphasized years 646 00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:50,760 and years ago than it is now and fasting which is biblical and throughout the scriptures 647 00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:57,640 can be such a powerful instrument of grace to receive to open us up to humble us and 648 00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:06,720 make us more open to receiving revelation and I could share lots of examples of that 649 00:53:06,720 --> 00:53:14,360 well Scott that's the first four I think I think if it's okay we'll maybe pick up and 650 00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:22,120 finish the next three on the on the next podcast but let's review those four identify fears 651 00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:28,280 and other negative emotions and replace them with faith and love to remove the pavilions 652 00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:35,000 of selfish inappropriate motives what's your motive what are why are you wanting really 653 00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:41,840 why do you want to know this is it unselfish is it to build the kingdom of God to bless 654 00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:47,400 your family and others what's your motive so remove the pavilions of selfish inappropriate 655 00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:54,240 motives and prideful desires by replacing them with not my will but died me done that's 656 00:53:54,240 --> 00:54:03,800 number two number three increased purity and confidence in the presence of God is the result 657 00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:12,400 of letting virtue govern our thoughts so that's right that comes from Dr. incumbent section 658 00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:18,560 121 that virtue garnish thy thoughts unceasingly then shall I confidence waxed or wrong in 659 00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:26,440 the presence of God by the way section 121 is a marvelous revelation for all to really 660 00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:31,480 study how we can receive knowledge from God that whole section is about how to receive 661 00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:38,600 knowledge and revelation from God and number four use instruments of grace that God has 662 00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:46,880 given us such as the scriptures prayer sacred art I we didn't say anything about that but 663 00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:52,160 I have art in my office and sometimes Scott I'll just go into ponder and to prepare to 664 00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:57,840 give blessings or receive revelation I'll just go in my office and look at inspired art 665 00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:02,480 I do the same thing I in fact and I'll give credit right here you the picture that we 666 00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:09,680 use is our art on our podcast was a fairly famous artist Joe Brickie a good friend of 667 00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:17,000 mine some of his art I feel that same way and I have some in the house we have we you 668 00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:21,680 noticed we and I showed it to you we have a new piece of art in our living room as you 669 00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:27,440 walk in yeah of Jesus his feet and others as he's walking the path and you see a finger 670 00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:33,560 reaching through to touch the ham and be healed right sacred art yeah and yeah yeah yeah powerful 671 00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:38,560 and people notice that you know and people notice the feeling that gets invoked when 672 00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:42,800 you notice something like that we have that comment come quite frequently from those that 673 00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:50,440 enter our home the picture on elder Anderson's book yeah the divine gift of forgiveness was 674 00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:56,720 is one of his you know he shared with me is one of his personal favorites and then I know 675 00:55:56,720 --> 00:56:02,880 he received a lot of revelation inspiration from that from that piece of art and and there 676 00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:07,680 are so many other examples of that and inspired music Scott oh yeah I would always begin my 677 00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:14,480 mornings on Sunday morning really early in the morning when when I was functioning paper 678 00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:24,600 patriarch and I would begin by listening to music that's how I started my morning was by 679 00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:32,760 listening to certain inspired pieces of music that every time I listened to them I feel closer 680 00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:38,760 to my heavenly father and I feel the spirit coming into my into my life I mean it just 681 00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:45,320 inspired music and inspired art can really clarify our our thoughts and feelings well 682 00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:49,880 you talk about music you know if you go back to season one we had a interview that we did 683 00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:54,920 with Scott Harmon who spent six years in the I think it was six years and you in the Utah 684 00:56:54,920 --> 00:57:02,440 State Penitentiary we had one with Nate Moller you're right who and he wasn't incarcerated 685 00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:08,080 or anything like that but he had a major tragedy in his life and both of those men both of those 686 00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:14,560 men attributed their the feeling of the spirit in some of the most critical time back to a 687 00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:19,680 memory of a primary song right matter of fact I saw Scott Harmon the other day as we did a 688 00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:23,680 fifth Sunday thing together and asked him about that and he got he kind of got a little 689 00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:28,560 emotional he's like yeah you know what that to heavenly father are you really there that 690 00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:34,560 child's prayer that was his song he says I still invokes all kinds of positive wonderful 691 00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:45,240 sacred emotions in me God God has God cherishes sacred music and and is the author of much 692 00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:52,120 of it and no doubt when angels sing when they appear to shepherds and the heavenly choirs 693 00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:58,360 and I know there was music in the pre-mortal existence I once gave a patriarchal blessing 694 00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:03,520 to a young man who had some special needs I had never said this in any other blessing 695 00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:12,480 of the hundreds I gave was that he had written and composed music in his in the pre-mortal 696 00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:19,960 how cool and his mother just what because of how this young man would respond to sacred 697 00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:27,240 music here in this life I knew I knew that was true Scott somehow I knew that he had 698 00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:37,760 led and organized and composed music there anyway sacred music sacred art the temple 699 00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:47,280 the temple is is definitely a gift to us in a and a gift of grace an instrument of grace 700 00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:53,680 that we should all be using more to to really again clarify our thoughts and to go receive 701 00:58:53,680 --> 00:59:00,920 revelation even if we can only walk the grounds or set on a bench and or just go touch the 702 00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:08,880 outside the walls of the temple or stand under the eaves or the shade of the temple we can 703 00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:19,480 receive revelation and fasting fasting and service our other really important instruments 704 00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:30,920 of grace that God has given us to help open us up to help to bring us more of the gift 705 00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:37,800 of revelation right well you know we talk about service and I just looked up the the 706 00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:42,880 the lyrics the words to a poor wayfaring man of grief and I think that you know just that 707 00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:48,800 just mentioning that title probably brings up memories or feelings in most of our listeners 708 00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:54,320 and if not to invite you to go back and listen to that beautiful beautiful sacred hymn but 709 00:59:54,320 --> 01:00:00,080 verse number seven then in a moment to my view the stranger start started from disguise 710 01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:06,960 the tokens in his hands I knew the Savior stood before my eyes he spake and my poor name 711 01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:14,120 he named of me thou has not been ashamed these deeds shall thy memorial be fear not thou 712 01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:20,680 dis them unto me and they so it's no wonder the service is an instrument of grace you 713 01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:27,080 know when Jesus when we service anybody he sees that service and accepts it unto himself 714 01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:34,520 and so what a great way to you know kind of culminate and bring together that that feeling 715 01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:41,120 of an instrument of grace when we're in service to others Dave well next week we'll finish 716 01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:51,040 off that list of seven and we'll continue our discussion on how to develop and grow 717 01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:58,680 in our ability to receive revelation so just a couple of quick invitations folks number 718 01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:04,840 one I would invite all of us to go ahead and just do another inventory in our lives and 719 01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:09,160 just see you know we've only hit on what did we hit we only hit on four of these seven 720 01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:14,240 we've got three more to go and we'll have another opportunity to review our lives when we look 721 01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:19,360 at those next three next week but for these four let's take an inventory let's look in 722 01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:24,800 our lives where we're doing okay where we need improvement and where maybe we even just 723 01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:29,560 need to begin maybe there's things here that we've been putting off or haven't been aware 724 01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:34,200 of or haven't occurred to us or haven't been revealed to us that we need to be doing well 725 01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:41,360 if you have felt that feeling today then we invite you to do it that's number one number 726 01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:47,760 two for those of you who are having experiences and it's been a minute since we extended this 727 01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:52,080 invitation but we go we invite you to go ahead and share your experiences with us you can 728 01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:57,760 do that at he redeems us at gmail.com go ahead and ask any questions you may have we'll try 729 01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:03,240 and answer those on the podcast or respond to them via email as we have done in dozens 730 01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:08,200 and dozens of cases happy to do that as well thanks so much for being with us I think I 731 01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:13,880 would be remiss if I didn't testify of not just the importance but the importance in 732 01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:18,560 my own personal life of the concepts and precepts that we've been talking about today hopefully 733 01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:24,720 the spirit of revelation is alive in all of our lives but before all of that hopefully 734 01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:31,120 we have the spirit of the Holy Ghost as our constant companions hopefully we're having 735 01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:36,320 His revelation in our lives and then as we do that then we'll be able to experience the 736 01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:41,160 gift of revelation and the sacred gift that it is thanks for being with us we look forward 737 01:02:41,160 --> 01:03:00,640 to being with you next week.