Hello, my name is Leslie and I am the host of the Why Not Today podcast.
This is a podcast to celebrate people who have been courageous and said, why not today?
I started this podcast in honor of my father, Patrick Kane, who often just said, why not
today?
I am based in Reston, Virginia, a Planned community right outside of Washington, DC,
and thanks for joining us today.
And I'm excited, as I always am, about my guest, Laura Hayes.
And Laura was somebody that somebody referred me to, which I love that.
And she's got a business called the Brave Girl Project.
I'm excited to hear about all she has to share.
But I always talk about connections and how you meet people and how people are introduced
to you.
And Laura, you go way back to the connection of how this podcast started.
So the podcast idea was inspired by somebody in the Reston area that knew my father.
And he said in a social media post one day, he said, Pat Kane, myself, always used to
say, why not today?
And so fast forward a year later, I finally met the gentleman, John Pinkman.
And we were talking about the podcast like, oh my gosh, you have to know Laura Hayes.
And then we connected.
I'm so excited about that.
So many things we can do together.
But it was fun to see you live probably a mile or two from me.
And we have so many mutual friends.
So we should have known each other.
But now we do.
We probably passed each other so many times.
And yeah, John is such a connector of people.
And so he reached out to me and he's like, you need to know Leslie.
And then he just put us together.
And I was like, perfect.
We're both here in Reston.
Yeah, I love that.
So I'm super excited to have you on and hear your story.
And I love what you're doing.
And you're working in a world of helping teenage girls.
And that is something that's near and dear to my heart, especially in the Mary Kay world.
I heard a statistic that a woman's self-esteem is highest at age 10.
Yeah.
And we need to help those girls young.
So let's get to know you, Laura.
So tell us about you, your business, and quick little information about you and a fast, fun
fact that we might not know.
Well, a fast, fun fact, here in Reston, we have our three lakes.
So I love stand-up paddleboarding.
That is my, I'm just waiting for it to be a little bit warmer for me to go out.
So if you ever see, if you're living in Reston and you see someone out on one of the lakes,
it might be me.
Well, we need to go out together because I have a paddleboard.
It's not here in Reston right now.
It's at Smith Mountain Lake, but I'm going to get it.
And I do have access to that.
Oh, that would be beautiful.
Smith Mountain too is a gorgeous place to.
And Reston, this is funny, Reston is such a small town that I was at one morning like
super early on Lake Anne with a friend of mine.
And we're getting texts and calls.
Like, were you guys out paddleboarding this morning?
I'm like, you cannot hide in this community.
You can't hide.
I've had that happen too where people, I think I saw you.
Was that you?
Yep.
That was me.
So what's new about you and your business and is it Brave Girl Project?
Is that the right name?
Yeah.
The Brave Girl Project.
Yes.
So share with us how you started that and what it is.
So I am a school counselor.
And back in 2013, I was looking as a school counselor, anyone who works in the school
system, you're always doing continuing education.
And I had seen information about a coaching course and it sounded interesting and it was
at our Northern Virginia Community College.
So I thought I'm going to just sign up and take that.
And that's kind of how everything started.
I have always been passionate about helping kids.
I've been a school counselor for 20 years.
And then I found coaching as a way to continue supporting kids, but with a little bit more
freedom.
In schools, you're really limited with some time constraints.
So sometimes you don't get to spend as much time as you would like.
So in 2013, I went through a coaching program and started coaching kids on the weekends
and after school.
And then in 2019, I had been helping my mom who was sick and I had decided we realized
she's going to need more care.
So I was taking a year off from school.
I was going to take the 2019-2020 school year off to help her.
Sadly, she passed away before that.
And my husband said, why don't you just take this year to recalibrate, spend time just
doing your coaching practice.
And so that began more of my online.
And so I have a program and the Brave Girl Project is called the Brave Girl Tribe.
And this is my big focus where I work with girls in fifth to eighth grade.
It's an online virtual community where they can attend our coaching calls each week.
We have lots of resources for them and it's a safe place for girls to come share what's
going on in their life, but learn the skills they need to live their lives bravely and
to build up their confidence.
As you see in the research, there's that big dip in confidence, basically from fifth to
eighth grade.
It just is a big dive.
And we're really seeing a lot of concern.
Some people may be familiar with the CDC report that came out in late February.
Our girls really are struggling.
And so this is something that I'm really passionate in helping.
And so it's our girls and our moms that really need some of the support as they move forward.
Yeah.
What an amazing idea and what a need that there is out there.
So let's kind of back up.
And I always ask, what does courage mean to you, Laura?
Courage really is having that confidence that you can handle whatever comes your way and
that you can step into that discomfort and that you can do so many things that you really
don't even think you can handle, but when you step in knowing that you always have yourself
and that you can believe in yourself, that you can handle and figure out and stepping
into that fear is just part of that step.
And that when we step into the fear on the other side are the new opportunities, new
lessons, that growth that you have then in your own confidence.
So I think it's really stepping into sometimes that unknown, but knowing that you have yourself
to rely on and that you're so much stronger than what you might even realize.
That's so true and such a good message, especially with the name of your company, the Brave Girl
Project and Helping Girls.
So it must have taken a little courage to leave your teaching or your counseling, your
comfortable county job.
Yes.
You were always grown.
Was there some time that you had to step into it and like, okay, what am I doing?
Yes.
It's very scary to leave something that is such like a contained environment.
A school really is a container and you have a specific role and jobs and the kids are
there so you are supporting your community.
And so stepping outside of that definitely took a lot of courage.
Also when you start a business, there's such a learning curve.
So there's definitely times where I would feel like, why did I do this?
What am I doing?
And it's just, I think that's part of it is that using that courage to step into that
uncertainty and that discomfort and just following, you know, okay, I just need to figure out
just this first next step.
And then I'm going to find out the next step after that.
Maybe there's a person, a resource and just knowing there's going to be those periods
of time where you really feel uncertain.
But if you can persevere through that, you're going to get to the next place and then you're
just going to rinse and repeat and keep doing that along your journey.
And that's kind of the whole premise of why not today?
It's like, okay, what can I do today?
Just to move the needle.
And I did that with this podcast.
It's like, okay, I'm just going to start it.
I was talking, I mentioned mutual friend, Kelly Johnson, we're talking about doing a
retreat around bravery.
And she said, and planning the retreat, she's like, are you one of those people that you
set the date and find the place and then figure it out or do you figure it all out and then
find the date?
I'm like, it will never happen if I do it that way.
I am definitely and I think that's a whole big message of why not say like, you got to
set the date, have the location, figure it out and then go backwards.
And I think that's any, you know, if you really want to start a business with people that
plan and plan and plan and plan, you'll never do it.
Exactly.
I love that of yours, like why not today, because it really gives permission to jump
in and start and you don't have to be perfect.
And I think for some of my girls, they really struggle with perfectionism and they feel
they have to have everything mapped out.
And it's nope, let's not map it all out.
Because sometimes when we map it out, it doesn't have the opportunity to evolve and change.
And that's what we sometimes need is, okay, let me make some, you know, add up, adapt
solutions to it.
So just like you starting your business, your coaching, you know, you started in before
2020 and then, but you had to lose use new tools and it's probably become more powerful
what you've been able to do with the new tools.
Like I didn't use zoom and stream yard and all these tools and all these things that
I had to learn that have been to run my business have helped me with the podcast.
Yeah.
So it's kind of like if you have everything planned out, you have no room to like, oh,
I want to go this path and let me try this.
It's evolving like every day.
We were talking about this earlier.
It's like new ideas and like, okay, and learning so many things and being able to plug into
those people.
So like, John connected us because the podcasts and our similar visions and what we're doing,
what you and I met and we could have sat there for hours, like, okay, what tool and what
tool and I'm like, okay, we need another power hour because there's so many different things.
So I would love to hear to kind of some of the things and tools that you provide the
girls that might help just see a little bit more into what you do, but also help people
if somebody's listening that it has a teenage girl or struggling with some of these courage
things and low self-esteem, I think is such an issue and all ages.
You know, I see it every age woman.
I'm really working to really help with encourage all areas.
So whether it's through my Mary Kay business or through the podcast or just helping people
in the community.
Yeah.
Well, it's wonderful that you have this because it really helps inspire people that, you know,
why not today that regardless of where they are in their journey of life, they can start
and it doesn't have to be sometimes we make that mistake that it has to be this huge big
step, but it's just really the first smallest step.
And so I think it's wonderful that you have this and I'm sure it inspires lots of people.
I love what you said after you listened to a couple of the episodes and I need to use
this quote directly, but basically you said after listening, you loved hearing all the
guest stories, but it gave permission to people to say, why not?
And to do it.
And because the true reality is each of us has, we have many gifts and sometimes what
happens in life is, you know, we've maybe received messages that make us feel like we're
not good enough.
Maybe we see other people doing things and we're like, I'm not like them.
There's no way I could do this.
But then what happens, it hurts all of us because then people are holding back on their
gifts and they're not sharing them with the world.
And so we really need to step into the courage and step into the bravery to have faith that
maybe there's something that I have that other people need or a way that I can make the world
a better place.
And stepping into that bravery and that courage allows all of us then to benefit.
And that's what we really need in our world today and our girls really need to hear that
message and to feel that so that they can step into some things that our girls have
big, big dreams, but sometimes they play it safe.
So in the Brave Girl tribe, we really focus a lot on the things that may impact our girls
in holding them back.
So their self-esteem, friendships.
Friendships are a big concern for girls and there's a lot of things that sometimes are
happening and especially coming out of the pandemic, there's this rush to really get
connected.
And so sometimes I think some girls really feel like they don't have a friend or a place
to connect with others.
And so they really need some support in learning some of the skills they need to make new connections
and to kind of build back up that self-esteem.
A lot of my girls sometimes also deal with a little bit of worry or feeling anxious.
And I've done a lot of training.
I'm an anxiety informed specialist.
And so I use a lot of different techniques to help girls move through that worry or that
fear that maybe is stopping them and keeping them from really being their best in school,
being their best with their friends, trying out for the teams, doing the activities.
Because sometimes I think there's the worry of what will other people think that our young
girls experience.
And so stepping out of that can be so important for them.
I do also individual coaching.
So I have lots of clients.
I have them from all over.
Today I get to coach one of my friends that's in Melbourne, Australia.
Yeah.
So what's nice about doing things virtually is we're only limited by kind of time zone.
And so it's a wonderful way for people to learn different skills.
And my girls are really, they're their best expert.
They already have a lot of what they need inside.
Sometimes they just need some help or some different tools to stretch them or help give
perspective.
Right.
So they can...What are some of the tools in your toolbox that you provide for the girls?
So I use a ton.
A lot of my tools are based in cognitive behavioral therapy techniques.
What are some basic things that we could pass on or any age is like, all right, I'm struggling
with this.
What are some easy ones?
Here's a very easy one.
And it's basically think of your thoughts steer the direction of your life.
Okay.
Right.
So I use something that's called the steer map.
And it's an acronym, but it's not spelled S-T-E-E-R.
It's S-T-E-A-R.
So what we want to do, and anyone can do this tool, you'll take a piece of paper and you'll
just start kind of like a brain dump.
Just thinking about the things that are going on currently in your life and jotting those
down on a piece of paper.
Do that maybe for like three minutes, five minutes.
And then look at those things that you've written down.
And I want you to pick one situation.
So some of my girls, it may be I wasn't invited to a slumber party.
And a lot of my friends are invited to the slumber party.
So we'll write that situation down and then we want to look at, so that's the S, the situation.
The T stands for the thoughts.
What are the thoughts you have about this situation?
So that girl might say, you know, the one friend thinks I'm cringey.
They don't like me.
I'm awkward.
No one talks or listens to my stories.
So then we look, we have these thoughts.
So then what are the emotions we get?
Because our thoughts are the gasoline to our emotions.
So I like to use an emotion feeling wheel because our girls really need to learn more
feeling words.
We really want them to build all of us.
You know, a lot of times we rely on like, oh, how are you doing?
I'm good.
We want to be more specific with our feelings and our emotions and really build an awareness
of our inner world.
So what are those feelings?
And then those feelings, they lead to our actions.
So that's the A in the steer.
And so sometimes, you know, if that girl is feeling having a thought like no one likes
me, I'm cringey.
That's why I'm not invited.
And then she feels rejected and lonely, isolated.
Then when she's in school, she may pull back.
You know, maybe she doesn't sit with them at lunch at the lunch table.
Maybe someone like says hi and she just kind of gives them the cold shoulder in the hallway.
And then the results, the R is the results.
What are the results that we're getting in our life?
And so that may be I'm not connected to my friends.
Like I don't know what's going on.
I don't know if my friends are really my friends.
So then what we do once we run that steer map, we then run an intentional steer map.
We want to look at we can enter it into a different points.
We could look at, you know, what are the results you want to have?
And maybe the result is like, I want to be invited to a sleepover or I want to feel closer
to my friends.
Maybe they want to have a different emotion.
You know, they just feel icky with that negativity and they want to feel something different.
I want to feel more confident with my friends.
So then we work backwards.
So what would be some of the thoughts you might need to have if you want to feel confident
with your friends?
So that might be, well, maybe maybe they were only allowed to have four girls and it's not
me that's not invited.
It's just the number.
You know, maybe they're doing a project for a class that I don't know about.
So it can be rewriting our thoughts to help us.
We create so many stories, too, that are right.
And the reason we do that, you know, is because there's so much information that comes at
us over the course of the day.
So our thoughts become habits.
And sometimes we don't realize we have cognitive distortions that we fall into.
Another big thing I do with my girls is we look at like kind of a common nine to 13 cognitive
distortions.
And we have challenge questions that we can use if we think we've fallen into a thought.
I call it for my girls, instead of cognitive distortions, I call it a thought hole.
And so a common one for my girls is they get into the mind reading habit.
They know like, oh, my gosh, she thinks I'm cringy.
She doesn't like me.
So when we will what could be some other thoughts she has about you?
How do you know that's the thought she has about you?
And is that asking the question?
Is it really true?
Yeah.
And so then that can help them like, oh, my gosh, I got stuck in this feeling.
And I was treating this thought as if it was true.
And then that was clouding, you know, my actions and attitudes.
And that's maybe why I'm having some of the problems I'm having.
Yeah, I love that.
And I think that'll help with everything.
I was listening to a podcast just the other day from Mel Robbins, who's a huge, successful
person, and one of the thought afters, I don't know if you listen to it all, but she was
talking about she didn't get invited to a party.
And it was because her friend thought she was taking advantage of her asking her to
babysit where she was looking for sources to people to help babysit because her husband's
business was going under there.
$800,000 in debt.
She was just in survival mode.
But once you had that conversation, you know, we just kind of we create so many stories
in our head.
And like, why don't we create the good story?
Yeah.
And that's what's really hard for our girls.
Another key thing is that our girls don't know how to have uncomfortable conversations
with one another.
And so then oftentimes, there's something under the surface that's kind of happened
that there's maybe a resentment or a hurt, and they're not having the conversation.
And so then this tension kind of builds and this awkwardness between a friendship and
the girls don't understand what's going on.
So that's another thing that we're this whole month of March, we've been really looking
at the skills you need to have a healthy friendship.
And we've been looking at boundaries and different ways.
Yeah, when and I there, the teenage girls, and I think it goes all ages, but they have
their friend group, which is a big thing now.
And like, I'm not part of that friend group or this friend.
I'm not this.
I'm friends with this person, like really good friends, but she's not part of the group.
So you have to act cool.
And you know, it goes on forever and ever and ever.
And it doesn't stop.
And I love that you're working on them now.
And oh, my gosh, they're going to be so much more powerful adults.
I mean, literally, this is what I wish I had had.
I was a very shy girl growing up, and my parents were very, very supportive, but I would have
really benefited from someone other than my mom and dad.
And back when I was growing up, we didn't have school counselors yet.
And so I probably would have loved to go in and talk with a school counselor, but having
someplace outside of school to go and talk.
And that's another thing that my girls really enjoy in the brave girl tribe.
I have girls from all over and most likely there's so far I don't have anyone from the
same school.
Oh, that's awesome.
I'm wondering about that.
Yeah, there's a lot of anonymity where you can get online.
I have girls who are all from Fairfax County, but I have girls from all over the US and
Canada.
And I bet they're building great connections and bonds that are going to be lifetime.
Your high school friends are not your lifetime friends.
Yeah.
You're so much drama.
Yeah, it is so amazing.
And last this past Sunday call, you know, one of the girls was sharing an experience
she had.
And she's like, I just don't know if like I'm overreacting.
And so it was so helpful for her to hear from the other girls.
You're not overreacting.
This isn't just in your head.
This hurts.
This is understandable.
And then we were able I was able to give her advice and then the other girls could add
in.
And afterwards, she's like, thank you guys so much.
This like was so helpful.
And it was like, made her feel more confident and heard.
It did.
And what's nice about the brave girl tribe is we also have I kind of think of it like
a Facebook page, but it's not on social media.
But the girls can communicate to each other when we're not on a call.
So they can make a post in the community page and say, oh, my gosh, like, a friend said
this to me, and I don't know what to do.
And you know, I can quickly I get all the messages.
So I know I can go moderate that.
Other girls give such great advice.
We're just even validating that hurt.
And that's what sometimes our girls need is really someone to listen and say, oh, my gosh,
this is hard.
This makes sense that you're upset.
Let's do that.
You know what we can do now.
Can we have a brave woman tribe?
It's funny because on Instagram, I have a lot of people who follow me that are women
that really benefit from the message.
And so and what I basically because I am the brave girl.
This is like what I still need.
It's a lot of times what I'm using is stuff that I knew I needed when I was young.
It's stuff that maybe we still need.
So it's applicable to anybody.
You know, I also have brave boys that I coach.
I have several boys that I do individual coaching with.
I have a son.
So, you know, I've always all made it.
Love my guys, too.
Yeah, I was thinking that to create a why not today tribe or why not a face.
I have the Facebook page, but a group where people can share and encourage each other.
I think you just encouraged me to add another list.
Thanks, Laura.
Well, and that's what's so nice, Leslie.
You have so many wonderful ideas and you do things from a place in your heart that you
want to really help and encourage and support people.
And so that's wonderful that you have this because that's how we help make the world
a better place.
Because then, you know, maybe there's someone in in your group that then, you know, is supporting
someone younger and it's helping all of us feel better because so many people are dealing
with anxiety and depression.
When you look at the rates, it's so many increases.
So much hard and stuff going on.
And I was sharing with you before we came on that there's a new book, I think it's called
The Good Life, but it's got it's under the about a study that I've heard about before.
It was the Harvard Men's Study and they interviewed men.
They followed men, white men from Harvard, starting in the 40s all the way.
And I think President Kennedy was one of the people he said.
But then they also had a group of more underprivileged men from Boston because it started in the 40s.
Now it's evolved and it's been going on this long.
And they've been studying people's life and their connections and their family and multigenerational.
And the one common denominator, which just really spoke to my heart was the one common
denominator happiness was connect was more relationships and connections.
And I think that's such a hard thing for so many people to build those connections.
And because of what life happens, I mean, it takes work to build those connections and
have a relationship.
It's interesting right now in my world, I'm kind of swimming with some new friends I've
made that are recently divorced.
And it's interesting in talking to them that I think I have really strong connected friendships.
I have a really strong thrive.
Not just in my Mary Kay world, but also just who I am.
I'm a connector and I build great good relationships.
And so I was talking to a friend the other day and I'm like, you know, I said, I think
maybe the one of the reasons I have such strong relationships with all kinds of people is
because I am single.
And I've had to develop those skills.
I said, I might need to do a podcast on, you know, how to thrive being single.
Yeah, all those relationships.
That would be so, I mean, and that, I mean, the why not today, like, because sometimes
adults still need to build the relationships and the social interpersonal skills.
And when your life has maybe shifted and you no longer have a partner, or your kids are
off in college and now you're an empty nester.
Now what?
I know.
My son's a sophomore and I'm like, okay, getting ready, getting ready.
I would say it's like when they're little, I said that kids, it's like the hours last
forever and the days go by so fast.
Years go by so fast.
Yeah, they do.
It is very true.
It is amazing how quickly, yeah, because I mean, we all find ourselves in different phases
of our life and sometimes it's reinventing ourselves or understanding and getting to
know ourselves better in this new stage and giving yourself permission.
And there's nothing wrong with that.
We should be evolving and changing.
You're not going to be the same person you were in your twenties.
No, absolutely not.
Hopefully not.
And having those tools and those skills that you talk about, having a toolbox, I teach
that a lot.
It's like what are the things that can help you reframe and think different ways and to
be, to have those changes and decide, do what you want to do.
Enjoy your life.
There's so many people that are miserable.
And that's what I really hope this Why Not Today message encourages people.
Live your life, enjoy your life.
Do the things you want to do and you just never know.
You never know who is going to be connected to you and whose dream is connected to yours.
Yes, I love that.
You just spark a memory.
Last week, one of my favorite, my mentor is Lynn Lyons.
She does, she's a speaker and a psychotherapist who does a tremendous amount of work around
anxiety.
And she was in the Northern Virginia area and she presented in McLean and I got to actually
meet her and have her sign one of her books.
But one thing that she had said that is essential for parents is to have bring joy into your
life.
Really let your kids see you experiencing joy.
And our kids really sometimes right now see they're fearful of growing up.
They see how difficult the world is.
And it, you know, sometimes they see their parents maybe now because so many parents
work from home still my husband still works from home.
They see the pressure, they see the demands and they are like, I don't want that.
That does not look fun, exciting and invigorating.
And so finding joy.
Why not today?
What could we do today to bring joy into our life or to make a new connection with someone?
That's awesome and the next question I was going to ask you is how would you encourage
somebody to be courageous?
And I think that's one of the things is just show joy.
Yeah, it is a tremendous, it gives people permission.
People who don't even know you get to see that.
And it gives them hope.
It gives them maybe inspiration to step into finding what gives them joy.
And so that is it's an essential part of your self care and it can be so important for all
of us to see that that playful spirit like who were we when we were nine?
What did we do when we were little?
I saw a YouTube video yesterday and it was about Denmark and people on a trampoline and
trampolines I'm like you can just have fun and you know we need to have fun and have
joy in our life and celebrate the little successes and you know not take life so serious.
Exactly I mean that's I feel I benefit so much from my clients as well like sometimes
I get sometimes I like I hope we get as equal but I really get true gifts because I get
to see the world through their eyes and sometimes it can really spark you know inspiration hope
and you know getting connected back with who we were when we were young and what was important
perhaps to us and moving forward maybe more into that.
Yeah absolutely I know when I coach people and work with people it's the same thing you
get so many gifts with helping and it reminds us of the thing and they can teach us also.
Yeah.
You know us being brave can help other people and then in turn help us by sharing with other
people.
We could go on forever and ever and ever and I wish we did have unlimited time but I don't
want listeners to say oh my gosh will they ever stop.
But I always like to connect this back because this started in honor of my dad connected
to my dad and some people like I never met your dad which I don't know if you ever did
meet my dad.
You've lived and rest in a while you may have seen them because people saw him around but
so I always go back to the connection of things I heard well first of all you know the connection
of John Pinkman that's a direct connect but you're changing lives and making a difference
in young people.
I think that was one a gift my father had.
We would have friends come over to come hang out of the lake or go out or somewhere and
he would be like Laura grab that thing a mulch and help and you do it.
I'm like yeah I'm not doing your work yet but he was a father to a lot of people and
a lot of people didn't have that family that encouraged and he was tough you know and he
made he was made that he'd listened and he made you think I have several friends and
I mentioned before on this that have said they had more conversations with my father
than they ever did their own father.
That's so sweet that he was yeah it's heartbreaking but so nice that they had someone to because
that's really I mean if you have at least one adult caring adult in your life.
Yeah it makes a tremendous amount and so that's so lovely that he was that for so many people.
Yep and then the other connection is the lake life that is funny we grew up on Lake Anne
and his office was the other end of the lake and he always teased that he went all different
ways he was on there weren't paddleboards then but he had a windsurfing he went sailing
he swam he skated he sail you know all the ways and he could see us from his office which
had us in trouble a few times.
That sounds like he was like a fun person and just like creative and had that nice spirit.
Yeah so thank you Laura for sharing and I can't wait to do more with you so if somebody wants
to reach you or connect with you or what is it and I'm going to share this in the show
notes too.
Yeah.
What's the best way to find Laura?
The best way my website is the brave girl project dot com and they can find me on Instagram
at the brave girl project they can find me on Facebook at the brave girl project.
I also have a YouTube channel so they can look up the brave girl project.
So yeah I have a podcast.
And what was that?
I want to be part of your brave girl.
You can come and be a speaker.
I know it's funny we have guest speakers and you know then we always say you know once
you're here you're part of the tribe you know and.
Oh I'd love to come be a speaker and I know somebody else I'd love to refer you to.
That would be wonderful I'd love that yeah if someone has someone that they think they
maybe this would be helpful for the girls you know reach out I'm always open to
meeting new people and finding different resources and ways to support.
So yeah well thank you everybody for listening thank you Laura.
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