1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,780 Hello, this is Leslie and I am the host of the Why Not Today podcast. 2 00:00:04,780 --> 00:00:09,220 This is a podcast to celebrate people who have been courageous and said, why not today? 3 00:00:09,220 --> 00:00:14,120 I started this podcast in honor of my father, Patrick Kane, who often did say, why not today? 4 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:18,700 I'm based in Reston, Virginia, a Planned community right outside of Washington, DC, and thanks 5 00:00:18,700 --> 00:00:20,580 for joining us today. 6 00:00:20,580 --> 00:00:22,300 And this is our anniversary issue. 7 00:00:22,300 --> 00:00:24,980 It's hard to believe it's been a year since I started this. 8 00:00:24,980 --> 00:00:28,620 We've had a recording episode every two weeks since. 9 00:00:28,620 --> 00:00:33,860 And so I thought, since it's our anniversary, how appropriate would it be to include one 10 00:00:33,860 --> 00:00:34,860 of my siblings? 11 00:00:34,860 --> 00:00:38,540 So I have my brother, my youngest brother, Chris, joining me today. 12 00:00:38,540 --> 00:00:43,420 So I'm excited to hear his or have him share courageous stories and maybe we'll throw in 13 00:00:43,420 --> 00:00:45,920 some courageous stories of my dad. 14 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:49,100 But I always talk about where we met and where we connected. 15 00:00:49,100 --> 00:00:54,320 It's kind of easy with Chris because he's five years younger than me. 16 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:58,860 But I do, it's funny, I do remember Chris, that the day that they brought you home from 17 00:00:58,860 --> 00:01:01,660 the hospital, they picked me up from Lank and you were there. 18 00:01:01,660 --> 00:01:02,660 I'm like, another one? 19 00:01:02,660 --> 00:01:03,660 You were number four. 20 00:01:03,660 --> 00:01:04,660 Another one. 21 00:01:04,660 --> 00:01:05,660 And there's two more. 22 00:01:05,660 --> 00:01:11,460 I know, I had to share my reign with everybody. 23 00:01:11,460 --> 00:01:14,860 But I'm excited to have you on and just have a conversation about courage. 24 00:01:14,860 --> 00:01:16,660 So Chris, why don't you introduce yourself? 25 00:01:16,660 --> 00:01:22,100 Tell us where you live and what you do and a fun fact about you that nobody might know. 26 00:01:22,100 --> 00:01:23,100 Hopefully I know it. 27 00:01:23,100 --> 00:01:25,740 Well, I don't know, maybe you do, maybe you don't. 28 00:01:25,740 --> 00:01:28,720 So I'm Leslie's brother. 29 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,700 So that's who I am. 30 00:01:31,700 --> 00:01:34,300 Born and raised in Reston and then Sterling. 31 00:01:34,300 --> 00:01:38,220 So I didn't go very far until about a year and a half ago. 32 00:01:38,220 --> 00:01:40,380 So I now live in Denver, Colorado. 33 00:01:40,380 --> 00:01:42,880 Been wanting to get out here for a long time. 34 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:43,880 So we finally did it. 35 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:45,880 What do I do? 36 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:47,700 I am in technology sales. 37 00:01:47,700 --> 00:01:52,540 I've been in cybersecurity sales for the last five years, working for a company that's headquartered 38 00:01:52,540 --> 00:01:55,940 in California. 39 00:01:55,940 --> 00:01:56,940 And yeah, I don't know. 40 00:01:56,940 --> 00:02:00,020 I mean, I'm your brother and you know a lot about me. 41 00:02:00,020 --> 00:02:02,660 So a fun fact. 42 00:02:02,660 --> 00:02:12,860 So I was married in an Elvis wedding chapel in Las Vegas on Elvis's birthday. 43 00:02:12,860 --> 00:02:17,180 It was your renewing of your vows, not your initial marriage. 44 00:02:17,180 --> 00:02:18,180 Correct. 45 00:02:18,180 --> 00:02:19,180 Same woman. 46 00:02:19,180 --> 00:02:20,180 Good. 47 00:02:20,180 --> 00:02:25,380 Unmarried, then remarried, just married and did it for fun. 48 00:02:25,380 --> 00:02:27,620 She shares the same birthday as Elvis. 49 00:02:27,620 --> 00:02:32,980 So it was her birthday and Elvis's birthday and we renewed our vows in Vegas and it was 50 00:02:32,980 --> 00:02:34,180 quite comical. 51 00:02:34,180 --> 00:02:35,180 That is pretty funny. 52 00:02:35,180 --> 00:02:39,300 And of all my siblings, I would probably think you were the least likely to do something 53 00:02:39,300 --> 00:02:40,300 like that. 54 00:02:40,300 --> 00:02:41,300 I would agree with you. 55 00:02:41,300 --> 00:02:45,620 I would agree with you. 56 00:02:45,620 --> 00:02:50,980 So well, I know you've listened to several of my podcasts and given me some advice on 57 00:02:50,980 --> 00:02:52,380 it, which I definitely appreciate. 58 00:02:52,380 --> 00:02:56,060 So let's start with what does courage mean to you? 59 00:02:56,060 --> 00:02:59,860 So I actually had to look it up in the dictionary to see what courage means. 60 00:02:59,860 --> 00:03:01,900 What does the dictionary say? 61 00:03:01,900 --> 00:03:09,980 So according to Merriam-Webster, courage is mental or moral strength to venture, persevere 62 00:03:09,980 --> 00:03:13,540 and withstand danger, fear or difficulty. 63 00:03:13,540 --> 00:03:14,540 Wow. 64 00:03:14,540 --> 00:03:15,540 Yeah. 65 00:03:15,540 --> 00:03:17,980 That sounds like big and scary. 66 00:03:17,980 --> 00:03:18,980 It does. 67 00:03:18,980 --> 00:03:21,100 So what does it mean to you? 68 00:03:21,100 --> 00:03:22,540 So it's funny. 69 00:03:22,540 --> 00:03:28,380 You asked me about doing this and I was thinking about, all right, how do I answer this question? 70 00:03:28,380 --> 00:03:38,660 I think it is being willing to push yourself, get out of your comfort zone a little bit 71 00:03:38,660 --> 00:03:47,260 maybe, but also just being willing to do whatever you think is that thing. 72 00:03:47,260 --> 00:03:54,380 So for example, I've always wanted to move out west towards the mountains and Deirdre 73 00:03:54,380 --> 00:03:55,860 and I got close twice. 74 00:03:55,860 --> 00:04:02,180 It didn't happen and life circumstances presented itself and a year and a half, actually two 75 00:04:02,180 --> 00:04:06,860 years ago about this time and it worked out and we were like, screw it, let's go. 76 00:04:06,860 --> 00:04:14,780 So I don't think of courage as this big lofty thing and I fought a bear or something crazy 77 00:04:14,780 --> 00:04:23,080 like that or I jumped off a cliff, but I think it's more practical. 78 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:26,500 Just being willing to do it and listening to some of your episodes before, it's like 79 00:04:26,500 --> 00:04:30,820 people made career choices or other life choices. 80 00:04:30,820 --> 00:04:37,300 To me, I think it's if you keep it at a simple or more basic level of is there something 81 00:04:37,300 --> 00:04:43,740 you wanted to do that was stretching you and then were you willing to do it and put in 82 00:04:43,740 --> 00:04:46,180 the effort and follow through? 83 00:04:46,180 --> 00:04:47,660 Yeah, absolutely. 84 00:04:47,660 --> 00:04:52,980 In all the episodes I've had, we've had people doing big courageous things and little courageous 85 00:04:52,980 --> 00:04:57,260 things and everything in between and sometimes it was just step by step courage, just taking 86 00:04:57,260 --> 00:04:58,260 the next step. 87 00:04:58,260 --> 00:05:01,060 I talked to somebody the other day, she goes, I haven't done anything courageous. 88 00:05:01,060 --> 00:05:02,580 I'm like, yeah, you have. 89 00:05:02,580 --> 00:05:05,580 We all have. 90 00:05:05,580 --> 00:05:10,820 It's not always jumping off a building or jumping out of an airplane kind of courage. 91 00:05:10,820 --> 00:05:15,740 It says little things and doing the things that make you happy. 92 00:05:15,740 --> 00:05:20,180 Colorado was a big move for our family just because we've always been local. 93 00:05:20,180 --> 00:05:22,300 I remember when you moved from Reston to Sterling. 94 00:05:22,300 --> 00:05:24,700 Oh my gosh, I was thinking about that actually. 95 00:05:24,700 --> 00:05:25,700 That was like. 96 00:05:25,700 --> 00:05:30,540 I think that was a bigger move and by the way, people listening Sterling from Reston 97 00:05:30,540 --> 00:05:32,900 is maybe five miles, eight. 98 00:05:32,900 --> 00:05:33,900 Maybe six. 99 00:05:33,900 --> 00:05:34,900 Maybe six. 100 00:05:34,900 --> 00:05:39,780 I remember you moving there and it's like, oh, we got to get shots and a passport and 101 00:05:39,780 --> 00:05:43,220 pack our bags and now ironically everybody else is out of Reston. 102 00:05:43,220 --> 00:05:46,340 I'm the only one that's still there. 103 00:05:46,340 --> 00:05:50,460 So yeah, courage is all kinds of things and definitely took courage to move your family 104 00:05:50,460 --> 00:05:56,900 out there and to start a new life and but I know that's always been on your radar. 105 00:05:56,900 --> 00:06:00,140 Just finally, it was the right time. 106 00:06:00,140 --> 00:06:01,140 Yes it was. 107 00:06:01,140 --> 00:06:03,340 By the way, I have jumped out of an airplane. 108 00:06:03,340 --> 00:06:04,340 I know you have. 109 00:06:04,340 --> 00:06:05,660 I don't want to do it again though. 110 00:06:05,660 --> 00:06:07,060 Wasn't that much fun? 111 00:06:07,060 --> 00:06:09,580 Somebody asked me the other day, she's turning 50 and she wanted to do it and she wanted 112 00:06:09,580 --> 00:06:11,660 me to, she said something to me about doing that. 113 00:06:11,660 --> 00:06:12,660 I'm like, enjoy. 114 00:06:12,660 --> 00:06:14,660 That is not on my bucket list. 115 00:06:14,660 --> 00:06:18,860 Yeah, I remember when you do that and it was nobody knew until after the fact. 116 00:06:18,860 --> 00:06:21,060 So luckily you were okay. 117 00:06:21,060 --> 00:06:22,620 It's good. 118 00:06:22,620 --> 00:06:23,620 Yes. 119 00:06:23,620 --> 00:06:26,500 So I know you've done other courageous things in your life. 120 00:06:26,500 --> 00:06:32,540 I know we talked about one a minute ago, which was big courage of lots of training and lots 121 00:06:32,540 --> 00:06:33,540 of commitments. 122 00:06:33,540 --> 00:06:36,540 You want to talk about Iron Man? 123 00:06:36,540 --> 00:06:37,540 Yep. 124 00:06:37,540 --> 00:06:46,620 So for the longest time I had actually I saw the Iron Man on TV, like when we were kids, 125 00:06:46,620 --> 00:06:48,340 I guess when they first started doing it. 126 00:06:48,340 --> 00:06:52,300 It was like on ABC Wide World of Sports, like even before ESPN and all that stuff. 127 00:06:52,300 --> 00:06:57,060 So I saw it and I was like, oh, okay, that's pretty cool. 128 00:06:57,060 --> 00:07:03,100 And then started doing triathlons and our friends, the Conrad's got me into that. 129 00:07:03,100 --> 00:07:10,700 So doing that, but I always had doing an Iron Man on my list. 130 00:07:10,700 --> 00:07:14,620 And for those who are listening that don't know what Iron Man is, it's a triathlon. 131 00:07:14,620 --> 00:07:16,860 So it's a triathlon. 132 00:07:16,860 --> 00:07:24,780 It's a swim, bike and a run, but the Iron Man distance, it is a 2.4 mile swim, 112 mile 133 00:07:24,780 --> 00:07:27,780 bike ride and a full marathon, 26.2 miles. 134 00:07:27,780 --> 00:07:32,140 So it's 140.6 miles in one day. 135 00:07:32,140 --> 00:07:36,580 So anyways, it was on the list. 136 00:07:36,580 --> 00:07:44,020 I honestly part of getting to the point of doing it was one of my neighbors, he did triathlons. 137 00:07:44,020 --> 00:07:45,020 We started training together. 138 00:07:45,020 --> 00:07:46,020 He wanted to do it. 139 00:07:46,020 --> 00:07:47,820 He was one of those. 140 00:07:47,820 --> 00:07:49,700 He encouraged me or nudged me. 141 00:07:49,700 --> 00:07:54,220 I nudged him and we both said, screw it, let's do it. 142 00:07:54,220 --> 00:07:59,700 So it's something that is doable for a lot of people. 143 00:07:59,700 --> 00:08:05,260 It just takes a lot of work and a lot of commitment, a lot of early mornings, a lot of lunchtime 144 00:08:05,260 --> 00:08:06,260 workouts. 145 00:08:06,260 --> 00:08:10,900 So it's a lot to do, but you can do it if you put your mind to it. 146 00:08:10,900 --> 00:08:14,500 So I've done it twice. 147 00:08:14,500 --> 00:08:21,060 I thought I wanted to do three in my 40s, two in my 50s and one in my 60s. 148 00:08:21,060 --> 00:08:22,540 What happened to that one? 149 00:08:22,540 --> 00:08:24,900 Is that still on the radar or is that shifted? 150 00:08:24,900 --> 00:08:32,300 So after two, I decided it just was, I don't know, I lost enough interest or my interest 151 00:08:32,300 --> 00:08:37,260 shift where I didn't want to commit that kind of time. 152 00:08:37,260 --> 00:08:40,560 So I mean, it's just a lot of work. 153 00:08:40,560 --> 00:08:42,700 Back to the whole of what does courage mean and all that. 154 00:08:42,700 --> 00:08:47,660 It's like, okay, to me, that's not like jumping out of a plane building, fighting a bear kind 155 00:08:47,660 --> 00:08:48,660 of courage. 156 00:08:48,660 --> 00:08:53,220 It's, I think, looking at the definition of Merriam-Webster. 157 00:08:53,220 --> 00:08:57,440 Can you persevere through something that's challenging or difficult? 158 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:59,820 So training's hard. 159 00:08:59,820 --> 00:09:03,460 There's definitely days it was like, okay, I do not want to meet my training partner 160 00:09:03,460 --> 00:09:07,140 at the corner at six o'clock in the morning on a Saturday, go for a six hour bike ride 161 00:09:07,140 --> 00:09:11,780 and then come home and coach my kids lacrosse game. 162 00:09:11,780 --> 00:09:12,780 But it was cool. 163 00:09:12,780 --> 00:09:14,820 I mean, it's super exciting. 164 00:09:14,820 --> 00:09:16,940 It's hard. 165 00:09:16,940 --> 00:09:24,980 The first time I did it, I was extremely nervous and paranoid about screwing up, about getting 166 00:09:24,980 --> 00:09:25,980 hurt. 167 00:09:25,980 --> 00:09:28,100 I mean, there's danger involved, right? 168 00:09:28,100 --> 00:09:32,260 You start to swim with 2000 people that just start swimming at once. 169 00:09:32,260 --> 00:09:34,980 So that's kind of sketchy. 170 00:09:34,980 --> 00:09:38,220 But I was more nervous about like, okay, can I do it? 171 00:09:38,220 --> 00:09:39,500 Did I eat enough? 172 00:09:39,500 --> 00:09:40,500 Did I drink enough? 173 00:09:40,500 --> 00:09:43,460 And all the hydration stuff. 174 00:09:43,460 --> 00:09:51,380 So fortunately, the first time was, it wasn't easy by any means, but it worked out probably 175 00:09:51,380 --> 00:09:52,700 as well as I could have hoped. 176 00:09:52,700 --> 00:09:54,700 I had a time goal. 177 00:09:54,700 --> 00:09:57,380 I felt pretty good throughout. 178 00:09:57,380 --> 00:10:01,380 I didn't feel awful afterwards. 179 00:10:01,380 --> 00:10:03,940 And when you finished, it's like, it's super cool. 180 00:10:03,940 --> 00:10:12,700 Someone who's seen it on TV, there's the announcer, this MC, who probably doesn't do it anymore, 181 00:10:12,700 --> 00:10:18,180 but really famous statement of Leslie Kane, you are an Ironman as you cross finish line. 182 00:10:18,180 --> 00:10:20,620 So it's super cool. 183 00:10:20,620 --> 00:10:23,460 So it was super exciting and fun and hard and all that. 184 00:10:23,460 --> 00:10:27,460 And I think the interesting part was the second time I did it. 185 00:10:27,460 --> 00:10:29,860 So my training partner got injured. 186 00:10:29,860 --> 00:10:34,580 So I ended up doing it by myself, which a lot of training by myself, which was super 187 00:10:34,580 --> 00:10:35,580 hard. 188 00:10:35,580 --> 00:10:41,620 But when I was during the race, I was feeling good on the swim, felt really good on the 189 00:10:41,620 --> 00:10:43,060 bike. 190 00:10:43,060 --> 00:10:52,260 And I ran out of gas on the run about mile 11 or 12, which meant I had about 14 more 191 00:10:52,260 --> 00:10:54,460 to go. 192 00:10:54,460 --> 00:11:01,060 And I literally would walk a couple hundred yards and then maybe run a hundred yards and 193 00:11:01,060 --> 00:11:03,340 then walk a couple hundred yards and then maybe run. 194 00:11:03,340 --> 00:11:06,780 And I was not feeling good. 195 00:11:06,780 --> 00:11:10,460 I totally out of gas. 196 00:11:10,460 --> 00:11:13,180 Thought to myself, okay, what am I doing this stupid thing for? 197 00:11:13,180 --> 00:11:14,180 I'm going to quit. 198 00:11:14,180 --> 00:11:17,380 And that takes courage to keep going. 199 00:11:17,380 --> 00:11:21,620 I had a lot of mental arguments over this. 200 00:11:21,620 --> 00:11:23,460 14 miles. 201 00:11:23,460 --> 00:11:24,460 That's a long way to go. 202 00:11:24,460 --> 00:11:27,140 And it's like, okay, holy crap, how am I going to get this done? 203 00:11:27,140 --> 00:11:32,580 So it was hard for sure. 204 00:11:32,580 --> 00:11:37,740 Interestingly enough, what helped, I don't want to say it saved me, but definitely helped 205 00:11:37,740 --> 00:11:46,260 me was on the race course, they serve all kinds of stuff, power bars, cliff bars, all 206 00:11:46,260 --> 00:11:49,340 kinds of bars, drinks and stuff. 207 00:11:49,340 --> 00:11:53,660 One of the things that they serve is warm chicken broth. 208 00:11:53,660 --> 00:11:56,900 So the first time I did it, I'm thinking, why are they handing out chicken broth? 209 00:11:56,900 --> 00:11:58,460 I don't get it. 210 00:11:58,460 --> 00:12:04,580 Well, I found out the second time I did it because after a while of sucking down goo 211 00:12:04,580 --> 00:12:11,780 and Gatorade and energy bars, your body doesn't want that junk anymore. 212 00:12:11,780 --> 00:12:17,020 So I tried some chicken broth once I could kind of choke it down. 213 00:12:17,020 --> 00:12:20,700 And really what it does, it's got sodium. 214 00:12:20,700 --> 00:12:22,820 So it really helped replenish. 215 00:12:22,820 --> 00:12:23,820 So it was pretty amazing. 216 00:12:23,820 --> 00:12:27,380 Anyways, I didn't either. 217 00:12:27,380 --> 00:12:32,320 So I got to the point where I could walk a little further than run a little further than 218 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:33,320 run a little further. 219 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:38,380 So long story short, the second time took almost an hour and a half longer than the 220 00:12:38,380 --> 00:12:44,580 first time because the last 14 miles or so I was really struggling. 221 00:12:44,580 --> 00:12:46,660 And it was tough. 222 00:12:46,660 --> 00:12:50,580 I mean, honestly, by the time I finished and crossed the finish line, I probably should 223 00:12:50,580 --> 00:12:52,900 have went into the medical tent and got an IV. 224 00:12:52,900 --> 00:12:55,460 And so it was pretty hard. 225 00:12:55,460 --> 00:13:00,900 But while I was out there and I'd done all the training, the one thing I wanted to do 226 00:13:00,900 --> 00:13:03,500 was not finish. 227 00:13:03,500 --> 00:13:11,940 So it was definitely taxing physically because I completely ran out of gas. 228 00:13:11,940 --> 00:13:18,100 But anytime I think you get into particularly sort of an endurance event like that, it's 229 00:13:18,100 --> 00:13:20,780 more mental than it is physical at some point. 230 00:13:20,780 --> 00:13:21,780 So yeah. 231 00:13:21,780 --> 00:13:27,020 So lots of things you said about that is great. 232 00:13:27,020 --> 00:13:30,260 Just even saying you're going to do it and putting out there and then people are kind 233 00:13:30,260 --> 00:13:33,740 of watching and asking, are you doing it or you're not. 234 00:13:33,740 --> 00:13:37,340 And probably some people are expecting you to maybe back out like, okay, that's pretty 235 00:13:37,340 --> 00:13:38,340 big. 236 00:13:38,340 --> 00:13:41,340 And then I don't remember your second one as much as I do remember a lot about your 237 00:13:41,340 --> 00:13:42,340 first one. 238 00:13:42,340 --> 00:13:46,260 First I remember you did the Marine Corps Marathon and we went and watched that. 239 00:13:46,260 --> 00:13:48,980 And just watching that, like I am not a runner. 240 00:13:48,980 --> 00:13:51,020 And I watched that and I'm like, wow, maybe I could do that. 241 00:13:51,020 --> 00:13:56,640 I mean, just the excitement and the cheering people on and the adrenaline and the spirit 242 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:59,580 of that was like, okay, maybe I could do that. 243 00:13:59,580 --> 00:14:01,580 Never did and I have no desire. 244 00:14:01,580 --> 00:14:04,460 But then I remember you training for your first Ironman. 245 00:14:04,460 --> 00:14:05,980 I remember us being at the beach. 246 00:14:05,980 --> 00:14:06,980 Oh yeah. 247 00:14:06,980 --> 00:14:09,920 I was going to take the kids to get donuts or something. 248 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:14,780 And we pass you and it's pouring down rain and you're running and running and running. 249 00:14:14,780 --> 00:14:21,260 And I'm like, oh my gosh, on vacation, he's getting up with the cracket on and still running. 250 00:14:21,260 --> 00:14:25,940 And it was, I remember a lot of training and a lot of commitment and raising kids that 251 00:14:25,940 --> 00:14:27,820 were pretty young at that point. 252 00:14:27,820 --> 00:14:31,300 That was a lot of commitment to have to do that and getting up early. 253 00:14:31,300 --> 00:14:35,220 And I think it takes the courage to get out of bed and just put your shoes on and get 254 00:14:35,220 --> 00:14:38,220 out the door and finish. 255 00:14:38,220 --> 00:14:41,820 Well, I got to a point where I just would, my alarm would go off and I would stand up 256 00:14:41,820 --> 00:14:44,900 and start moving before I realized what was happening. 257 00:14:44,900 --> 00:14:45,900 Yeah. 258 00:14:45,900 --> 00:14:48,780 I know somebody who talks about getting up and getting motivated in the morning. 259 00:14:48,780 --> 00:14:50,780 She says, hashtag just go pee. 260 00:14:50,780 --> 00:14:52,860 Just get up and start the movement. 261 00:14:52,860 --> 00:14:55,940 And then you just go to the next step and the next step. 262 00:14:55,940 --> 00:15:03,140 But then I remember when you did the Ironman and we were tracking it and watching it on 263 00:15:03,140 --> 00:15:04,460 our phones where you were. 264 00:15:04,460 --> 00:15:09,740 And I remember it was nerve wracking to watch and just scary to make worried that you were 265 00:15:09,740 --> 00:15:10,740 going to be okay. 266 00:15:10,740 --> 00:15:12,100 I know mom was a mess when you finished. 267 00:15:12,100 --> 00:15:16,260 She was, I think started crying because she was like so happy that you're okay. 268 00:15:16,260 --> 00:15:18,540 You know, because that is a lot. 269 00:15:18,540 --> 00:15:24,700 And you said the mental, I think the courage thing, it's the mental, it's jumping out of 270 00:15:24,700 --> 00:15:25,700 the plane. 271 00:15:25,700 --> 00:15:29,460 It's like getting the courage to jump and how often you hear they just push you because 272 00:15:29,460 --> 00:15:30,460 you're ready that far. 273 00:15:30,460 --> 00:15:31,460 Yep. 274 00:15:31,460 --> 00:15:32,460 Yeah. 275 00:15:32,460 --> 00:15:35,900 No, I mean, it was definitely cool. 276 00:15:35,900 --> 00:15:36,900 Super hard. 277 00:15:36,900 --> 00:15:42,620 Well, as I said, I had aspirations to do more, but I'm on to other things. 278 00:15:42,620 --> 00:15:43,620 Yeah. 279 00:15:43,620 --> 00:15:44,620 Good for you. 280 00:15:44,620 --> 00:15:48,300 Maybe a 207 mile bike ride is next on the radar. 281 00:15:48,300 --> 00:15:49,300 Oh, wow. 282 00:15:49,300 --> 00:15:54,500 So I'm really surprised your super competitive brother didn't do it with you. 283 00:15:54,500 --> 00:15:55,500 Yeah. 284 00:15:55,500 --> 00:15:56,500 I'll let you ask. 285 00:15:56,500 --> 00:15:59,500 You'll let you ask him about that. 286 00:15:59,500 --> 00:16:00,500 Okay. 287 00:16:00,500 --> 00:16:02,620 I'll let you ask him if I get him on here. 288 00:16:02,620 --> 00:16:08,020 So other things you can think of you've done courageous or in life seem courageous? 289 00:16:08,020 --> 00:16:11,340 I mean, sure. 290 00:16:11,340 --> 00:16:16,860 You know, I mean, I think there's lots of little things, nothing that stands out. 291 00:16:16,860 --> 00:16:23,260 I mean, as I said earlier, to me, I think people get locked in this idea of, you know, 292 00:16:23,260 --> 00:16:24,260 courage. 293 00:16:24,260 --> 00:16:25,260 What does that really mean? 294 00:16:25,260 --> 00:16:32,100 So I guess as I've been thinking about this and doing this podcast with you, just to me, 295 00:16:32,100 --> 00:16:38,060 it's a much more simple, basic thing of, are you willing, as I said earlier, to either 296 00:16:38,060 --> 00:16:44,100 push yourself out of your comfort zone or just push yourself and then commit to achieving 297 00:16:44,100 --> 00:16:45,620 whatever you're pushing towards. 298 00:16:45,620 --> 00:16:54,380 So I think there's elements of my life that I think are very deliberate and maybe more 299 00:16:54,380 --> 00:16:58,900 conservative and then there's elements where it's like, okay, yeah, I'll try an Iron Man 300 00:16:58,900 --> 00:17:00,900 or I'll try this or I'll do that. 301 00:17:00,900 --> 00:17:03,660 So yeah, it's definitely I think the little steps. 302 00:17:03,660 --> 00:17:08,820 And I think that's what I hope this podcast has given people is encouragement. 303 00:17:08,820 --> 00:17:12,580 Like somebody listening might think there's no way I can do an Iron Man, but they might 304 00:17:12,580 --> 00:17:14,580 do a 5k. 305 00:17:14,580 --> 00:17:20,700 I was involved with the woman's training program a couple of years ago and they did an all 306 00:17:20,700 --> 00:17:21,700 women's 5k. 307 00:17:21,700 --> 00:17:26,780 And there was a woman that, so it was all women doing it and I was kind of helping out. 308 00:17:26,780 --> 00:17:31,460 And so there were people all on the route, cheering people on with signs. 309 00:17:31,460 --> 00:17:35,140 And there was a woman that, I mean, she walked the whole thing. 310 00:17:35,140 --> 00:17:39,460 I think she had super bad knees, could barely walk. 311 00:17:39,460 --> 00:17:44,580 And yet she did this 5k and I remember her coming across the finish line last and everybody 312 00:17:44,580 --> 00:17:45,580 cheered for. 313 00:17:45,580 --> 00:17:50,000 You know, just the fact that she could walk that far. 314 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,940 So it doesn't have to be big, it can be the little things. 315 00:17:52,940 --> 00:17:57,900 And I think what this podcast has done in the last year and the people I interviewed, 316 00:17:57,900 --> 00:18:03,220 it's given people permission to say me too. 317 00:18:03,220 --> 00:18:06,900 That in all different areas, you know, whatever that thing might be, whether it's the thing 318 00:18:06,900 --> 00:18:10,460 that somebody talked about or just in general to give someone courage to do those little 319 00:18:10,460 --> 00:18:12,460 teeny things that we need to do. 320 00:18:12,460 --> 00:18:19,020 Yeah, well, I mean, people used to say to me, just as you kind of identified like, oh, 321 00:18:19,020 --> 00:18:21,700 I can never do that around the Ironman stuff. 322 00:18:21,700 --> 00:18:25,980 Well, I didn't start running 26 miles out of the gate. 323 00:18:25,980 --> 00:18:26,980 You got to start. 324 00:18:26,980 --> 00:18:28,580 I put shoes on first. 325 00:18:28,580 --> 00:18:29,580 Yeah. 326 00:18:29,580 --> 00:18:32,860 I mean, there's, there's an element of crawl, walk, run to it all. 327 00:18:32,860 --> 00:18:38,060 And, you know, if you were actually to look at the training plan, it's, it's this stair 328 00:18:38,060 --> 00:18:41,820 step approach where you train and then you push and then you train and then you push 329 00:18:41,820 --> 00:18:46,220 a little further and you train and push a little further to where then when it comes 330 00:18:46,220 --> 00:18:52,980 time to do it, if you put in the work, I mean, I think my training program was 26 weeks long. 331 00:18:52,980 --> 00:18:58,340 And I, you know, I was exercising and doing stuff before that, but it was really a disciplined 332 00:18:58,340 --> 00:19:01,420 and focused training program for that period of time. 333 00:19:01,420 --> 00:19:07,720 But when it came time to do the race, I did the work and my, my brain and my body were 334 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:08,720 ready enough. 335 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:09,720 Yeah. 336 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:10,720 Major accomplishment. 337 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:14,780 So the other thing I was just thinking of a fun thing that you did courageous, which 338 00:19:14,780 --> 00:19:18,660 I don't think I'd have the courage to do is when, um, did you jump out of a helicopter 339 00:19:18,660 --> 00:19:19,660 to go skiing? 340 00:19:19,660 --> 00:19:21,340 Wait, no, I didn't jump. 341 00:19:21,340 --> 00:19:23,580 I mean, they landed. 342 00:19:23,580 --> 00:19:26,420 That's in the movies. 343 00:19:26,420 --> 00:19:30,500 No, I've done helicopter skiing, but they land it and you step out. 344 00:19:30,500 --> 00:19:31,500 Okay. 345 00:19:31,500 --> 00:19:39,780 I envisioned, but you still skied a pretty, not a, uh, uh, manicured perfect slope. 346 00:19:39,780 --> 00:19:44,140 That's everybody else's on, right? 347 00:19:44,140 --> 00:19:46,060 We were out in wilderness, which was fun. 348 00:19:46,060 --> 00:19:47,060 Super fun. 349 00:19:47,060 --> 00:19:48,060 I'd like to do it again. 350 00:19:48,060 --> 00:19:49,620 Can I borrow some money? 351 00:19:49,620 --> 00:19:50,620 Sure. 352 00:19:50,620 --> 00:19:54,980 Maybe from the pod, your, your, your why not today merchandise sales, you can fund, you 353 00:19:54,980 --> 00:19:57,020 can fund Chris's helicopter skiing trip. 354 00:19:57,020 --> 00:19:58,020 Okay. 355 00:19:58,020 --> 00:19:59,020 And I'll watch. 356 00:19:59,020 --> 00:20:00,020 I'm not going to join you on that one either. 357 00:20:00,020 --> 00:20:01,020 I'll get video. 358 00:20:01,020 --> 00:20:02,020 Okay. 359 00:20:02,020 --> 00:20:03,020 I'll do other things. 360 00:20:03,020 --> 00:20:10,180 So, you know, this is the anniversary episode of the podcast and it's ironically 10 years 361 00:20:10,180 --> 00:20:14,060 since dad passed away, which is really hard to believe it's been that long. 362 00:20:14,060 --> 00:20:22,860 And so he was a pretty out loud, courageous, nothing is impossible kind of guy. 363 00:20:22,860 --> 00:20:26,180 I don't think, you know, he was always problem solving what we could do. 364 00:20:26,180 --> 00:20:29,580 So anything you can think of share courage. 365 00:20:29,580 --> 00:20:31,140 I know I've actually pulled out. 366 00:20:31,140 --> 00:20:36,740 I mentioned this, but I forgot to grab it is the, um, eulogy that you guys wrote about, 367 00:20:36,740 --> 00:20:43,540 you know, he had a plan a, B and C and sometime it had to go to D or E. So lessons learned 368 00:20:43,540 --> 00:20:44,540 from dad. 369 00:20:44,540 --> 00:20:45,540 Yeah. 370 00:20:45,540 --> 00:20:47,340 So I think interesting. 371 00:20:47,340 --> 00:20:53,620 And this gets into kind of probably some, some deeper family kind of dynamics, but being 372 00:20:53,620 --> 00:21:00,940 the fourth and being sort of, uh, you know, not forgotten, but just, you know, as you 373 00:21:00,940 --> 00:21:02,940 get down to like, okay, he's still here. 374 00:21:02,940 --> 00:21:03,940 Good. 375 00:21:03,940 --> 00:21:04,940 Okay. 376 00:21:04,940 --> 00:21:05,940 Good. 377 00:21:05,940 --> 00:21:09,540 He's still talking about that the other night that they're number three and there, oh, it 378 00:21:09,540 --> 00:21:11,860 was actually Grace's husband, Braden. 379 00:21:11,860 --> 00:21:15,180 He was the third child and it was hard to find pictures of them. 380 00:21:15,180 --> 00:21:16,940 Like, yeah, Chris can relate to that one. 381 00:21:16,940 --> 00:21:17,940 Yeah. 382 00:21:17,940 --> 00:21:20,020 I've had, I've had mom say, oh, here's a picture of you. 383 00:21:20,020 --> 00:21:23,540 And she showed that to Deirdre and Deirdre's like, no, that's Brian. 384 00:21:23,540 --> 00:21:30,540 Anyways, the first week counted how many pictures are grandma's house between the two of us. 385 00:21:30,540 --> 00:21:34,660 Those of us who are thirds and fours have a different perspective than those who are 386 00:21:34,660 --> 00:21:35,660 ones. 387 00:21:35,660 --> 00:21:36,660 Yeah. 388 00:21:36,660 --> 00:21:39,700 Which is interesting that we all have different perspectives growing up in the same house. 389 00:21:39,700 --> 00:21:45,700 So, you know, I think with dad, you know, his, your, your comment about him always kind 390 00:21:45,700 --> 00:21:51,580 of, you know, being willing to do stuff and try stuff. 391 00:21:51,580 --> 00:21:57,380 I mean, I think one of the things that I appreciated about to some of his perspectives, but also 392 00:21:57,380 --> 00:22:02,860 I found frustrating at times was he had this perpetual element of buck the system, at least 393 00:22:02,860 --> 00:22:08,860 from my perspective, which other people, yeah, which, you know, I mean, I, I can appreciate 394 00:22:08,860 --> 00:22:10,900 parts of that. 395 00:22:10,900 --> 00:22:15,940 But for me personally, you know, a lot of things that I've done in my life have been 396 00:22:15,940 --> 00:22:23,260 much more deliberate and I don't have an issue conforming at certain points. 397 00:22:23,260 --> 00:22:28,620 But you know, when I, you know, kind of thinking back, and I don't know if this is courage, 398 00:22:28,620 --> 00:22:37,620 but certainly feel like he encouraged all of us to explore, but also enjoy what we were 399 00:22:37,620 --> 00:22:43,460 doing and make decisions around that kind of stuff. 400 00:22:43,460 --> 00:22:49,420 Because you know, I mean, it could be over in an instant, you know, think about him, 401 00:22:49,420 --> 00:22:50,420 right? 402 00:22:50,420 --> 00:22:54,180 I mean, he had that accident when he was in high school, you know, I think about me and 403 00:22:54,180 --> 00:22:59,660 my jet ski accident, I could not be here right now. 404 00:22:59,660 --> 00:23:05,100 You know, so there's an element of, of it could all be over and not sell everything 405 00:23:05,100 --> 00:23:08,540 and run to the hills and live, you know, live like today's your last day. 406 00:23:08,540 --> 00:23:12,980 But you know, I think one of the things that I took from him was sort of that enjoyment 407 00:23:12,980 --> 00:23:17,500 piece and you know, he used to always say, especially towards the end, like, I woke up 408 00:23:17,500 --> 00:23:19,900 on the right side of the grass, right? 409 00:23:19,900 --> 00:23:22,900 You know, and then I think about actually the day died. 410 00:23:22,900 --> 00:23:25,980 We're at our ski house in West Virginia. 411 00:23:25,980 --> 00:23:30,020 And Brian was like, we got to go home and it's dumping snow. 412 00:23:30,020 --> 00:23:32,180 It's one o'clock in the morning. 413 00:23:32,180 --> 00:23:34,820 And I was like, no, we're not going anywhere. 414 00:23:34,820 --> 00:23:40,100 So we wake up the next day and there's a foot of fresh snow on the ground. 415 00:23:40,100 --> 00:23:43,780 And Brian and I look at each other and say, well, dad would have wanted us to ski before 416 00:23:43,780 --> 00:23:44,780 we went home. 417 00:23:44,780 --> 00:23:49,820 So I mean, I take that hike to the top of that mountain that night though. 418 00:23:49,820 --> 00:23:51,340 Yeah, we did it that night. 419 00:23:51,340 --> 00:23:52,340 Yeah. 420 00:23:52,340 --> 00:23:53,340 And then we see the next day. 421 00:23:53,340 --> 00:23:54,340 Okay. 422 00:23:54,340 --> 00:23:55,340 Of course he would have. 423 00:23:55,340 --> 00:24:01,140 So, but I mean, that to me, that's sort of what one of the primary things that I kind 424 00:24:01,140 --> 00:24:07,420 of think back on and take from him was again, not this, you know, life's a party and perpetual 425 00:24:07,420 --> 00:24:13,580 enjoyment, but doing things, you know, I guess he could probably couch it in that, you know, 426 00:24:13,580 --> 00:24:15,620 do you work to live or live to work? 427 00:24:15,620 --> 00:24:16,620 Yeah. 428 00:24:16,620 --> 00:24:17,620 Right. 429 00:24:17,620 --> 00:24:22,140 And, you know, I kind of joke, you know, with friends and like, oh, you got to work. 430 00:24:22,140 --> 00:24:24,900 I'm like, yeah, but the work pays for the fun I'm doing. 431 00:24:24,900 --> 00:24:25,900 Exactly. 432 00:24:25,900 --> 00:24:27,400 So, I don't know. 433 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:31,380 That's the kind of stuff I would take or I think about and, you know, again, when you 434 00:24:31,380 --> 00:24:35,860 asked me to do this, I'm like, I don't know what I'm going to say. 435 00:24:35,860 --> 00:24:38,820 You know, I know all of us have different perspectives on that. 436 00:24:38,820 --> 00:24:41,720 I mean, you know, just looking at you, right? 437 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:45,140 You quit your corporate job and went and started selling makeup full time. 438 00:24:45,140 --> 00:24:47,140 It's like, oh, holy crap. 439 00:24:47,140 --> 00:24:48,140 Okay. 440 00:24:48,140 --> 00:24:49,140 Yeah. 441 00:24:49,140 --> 00:24:50,140 Good for you. 442 00:24:50,140 --> 00:24:51,140 23 years ago. 443 00:24:51,140 --> 00:24:52,140 Which is crazy. 444 00:24:52,140 --> 00:24:58,180 But that, you know, that's just another, you know, just another way to sort of adapt maybe 445 00:24:58,180 --> 00:25:02,300 that outlook, you know, and yeah, I don't know. 446 00:25:02,300 --> 00:25:04,420 I mean, I would say that kind of stuff. 447 00:25:04,420 --> 00:25:10,980 I mean, I think, you know, his stuff of being Mr. Community was great, but also I just kind 448 00:25:10,980 --> 00:25:11,980 of looked at him. 449 00:25:11,980 --> 00:25:12,980 He was just our dad. 450 00:25:12,980 --> 00:25:13,980 Yeah, exactly. 451 00:25:13,980 --> 00:25:18,620 You know, and all those things that he taught us, you know, big and little. 452 00:25:18,620 --> 00:25:20,820 And so, I don't know. 453 00:25:20,820 --> 00:25:25,100 But yeah, I would say that that kind of stuff of just enjoying the ride. 454 00:25:25,100 --> 00:25:26,100 Yeah. 455 00:25:26,100 --> 00:25:29,420 And so people listening may not know this story, but he has. 456 00:25:29,420 --> 00:25:33,820 And so the logo is an eye patch and handlebar mustache because the night he graduated from 457 00:25:33,820 --> 00:25:36,260 high school, he got in a major car accident was thrown. 458 00:25:36,260 --> 00:25:42,420 I think it was 300 feet out of the windshield and they didn't think he was going to live. 459 00:25:42,420 --> 00:25:43,940 And so he always had an eye patch. 460 00:25:43,940 --> 00:25:49,260 And then he was in another serious accident before him and mom got married. 461 00:25:49,260 --> 00:25:51,180 And he was scalped. 462 00:25:51,180 --> 00:25:53,460 And I remember mom has a scar on her cheek. 463 00:25:53,460 --> 00:25:56,540 And I remember you said at one point, I thought all moms have that. 464 00:25:56,540 --> 00:25:58,180 I thought it was makeup. 465 00:25:58,180 --> 00:25:59,260 Yeah. 466 00:25:59,260 --> 00:26:03,180 But I remember being in high school and I wrecked his precious car and I thought, oh 467 00:26:03,180 --> 00:26:05,020 my gosh, it's going to kill me. 468 00:26:05,020 --> 00:26:07,460 Like I was scared to tell him he was out of town. 469 00:26:07,460 --> 00:26:09,620 And he came home with flowers. 470 00:26:09,620 --> 00:26:13,260 Or he first told mom, just tell Leslie, I'm glad she's alive. 471 00:26:13,260 --> 00:26:14,260 And that's what matters. 472 00:26:14,260 --> 00:26:17,420 And he brought me flowers, which was a good lesson that I've never forgotten. 473 00:26:17,420 --> 00:26:20,300 It's like, OK, a car is a thing, but a life is so much more important. 474 00:26:20,300 --> 00:26:22,700 You can replace a car. 475 00:26:22,700 --> 00:26:28,620 But then the thing we were talking about last night, which we were with Brian and Kelly, 476 00:26:28,620 --> 00:26:33,020 Kelly's our sister-in-law, and we were talking about our cross-country trip we took, which 477 00:26:33,020 --> 00:26:35,620 looking back was pretty amazing that they did that. 478 00:26:35,620 --> 00:26:37,500 And Kelly couldn't believe we possibly did that. 479 00:26:37,500 --> 00:26:39,700 We're going to tell all the stories on that one. 480 00:26:39,700 --> 00:26:42,580 But when I was 16 and you were 12? 481 00:26:42,580 --> 00:26:43,580 11. 482 00:26:43,580 --> 00:26:45,860 Yeah, 11 and a half. 483 00:26:45,860 --> 00:26:49,660 So our parents bought a 25-foot camper. 484 00:26:49,660 --> 00:26:54,060 And I don't know where they came up with this idea, but to drive cross-country. 485 00:26:54,060 --> 00:26:58,220 And not even our youngest sister, because Amanda wasn't even born, but Katherine was 486 00:26:58,220 --> 00:27:00,340 five weeks old when we left. 487 00:27:00,340 --> 00:27:03,180 And we drove cross-country and we were gone for five weeks. 488 00:27:03,180 --> 00:27:06,660 And as a 16-year-old with a brand new driver's license, the last thing I really wanted to 489 00:27:06,660 --> 00:27:07,900 do was be with my family. 490 00:27:07,900 --> 00:27:12,780 But it was a pretty cool experience in the fact that dad worked and we were able to travel 491 00:27:12,780 --> 00:27:14,540 and see all these things and do all these things. 492 00:27:14,540 --> 00:27:20,140 I do have a memory of when we were at the Redwoods and they were up, they're like, look 493 00:27:20,140 --> 00:27:21,140 at this beautiful thing. 494 00:27:21,140 --> 00:27:25,340 And we're like teenagers, like we might go back to sleep. 495 00:27:25,340 --> 00:27:27,140 You were, I was excited about it. 496 00:27:27,140 --> 00:27:28,140 Oh, you were? 497 00:27:28,140 --> 00:27:29,140 Okay. 498 00:27:29,140 --> 00:27:33,740 I wasn't totally different viewpoint, but that was definitely an adventure. 499 00:27:33,740 --> 00:27:38,540 I think the courage part there for dad was he let Brian and I learn how to drive a 25-foot 500 00:27:38,540 --> 00:27:39,940 motor home on that trip. 501 00:27:39,940 --> 00:27:42,180 And people can't believe that story. 502 00:27:42,180 --> 00:27:44,140 And you were 11 and Brian was 12. 503 00:27:44,140 --> 00:27:45,140 Yes. 504 00:27:45,140 --> 00:27:46,740 Yeah, that's a little crazy. 505 00:27:46,740 --> 00:27:52,620 It was on straight highways and they switched drivers, but I drove probably a third of the 506 00:27:52,620 --> 00:27:56,860 trip and I was 16 years old, which I think mom drove for 15 minutes. 507 00:27:56,860 --> 00:27:59,020 That was enough for her. 508 00:27:59,020 --> 00:28:00,020 That was kind of crazy. 509 00:28:00,020 --> 00:28:03,860 But all right, so we could chat all day, but we don't want to have four people with all 510 00:28:03,860 --> 00:28:04,860 our family history. 511 00:28:04,860 --> 00:28:10,500 So how, how or what would you say to encourage somebody to be courageous? 512 00:28:10,500 --> 00:28:11,500 To be what? 513 00:28:11,500 --> 00:28:12,500 Be great? 514 00:28:12,500 --> 00:28:13,500 Oh, courageous. 515 00:28:13,500 --> 00:28:14,500 I'm sorry. 516 00:28:14,500 --> 00:28:15,500 Yeah. 517 00:28:15,500 --> 00:28:22,940 I think just, you know, if there's something you want to do, you know, identify, you know, 518 00:28:22,940 --> 00:28:26,220 how do you get from point A to point B and commit yourself to do it? 519 00:28:26,220 --> 00:28:33,820 I mean, it's, I think back to my, our previous comments of, I think, I think people put barriers 520 00:28:33,820 --> 00:28:36,820 up like, oh, that's just too big or too hard. 521 00:28:36,820 --> 00:28:37,820 Right. 522 00:28:37,820 --> 00:28:42,100 And they don't do it versus it's just the thing. 523 00:28:42,100 --> 00:28:47,340 Whatever the thing is, and this is how you achieve stated goal of thing and just put 524 00:28:47,340 --> 00:28:51,940 your mind to it, which again, back to the Ironman example, right? 525 00:28:51,940 --> 00:28:55,820 I didn't start running 26 miles or riding my bike a hundred miles. 526 00:28:55,820 --> 00:28:57,220 It took me a while to get there. 527 00:28:57,220 --> 00:28:58,220 Right. 528 00:28:58,220 --> 00:29:04,940 So I would say, you know, just if there's something that you want to do, just be willing 529 00:29:04,940 --> 00:29:08,460 to do it, but kind of break it down at a practical level. 530 00:29:08,460 --> 00:29:14,980 Like, and don't, don't immediately dismiss it because it seems hard or too lofty. 531 00:29:14,980 --> 00:29:17,900 Yeah, totally agree. 532 00:29:17,900 --> 00:29:18,900 Just take that one step. 533 00:29:18,900 --> 00:29:19,900 Yeah, like one step. 534 00:29:19,900 --> 00:29:20,900 Be your friend, your friend's example. 535 00:29:20,900 --> 00:29:22,700 If you just got to get out of bed first. 536 00:29:22,700 --> 00:29:23,700 Okay. 537 00:29:23,700 --> 00:29:24,700 Well, that you go. 538 00:29:24,700 --> 00:29:25,700 Yep. 539 00:29:25,700 --> 00:29:26,700 Exactly. 540 00:29:26,700 --> 00:29:29,100 Well, this has been fun and I thank you for joining me. 541 00:29:29,100 --> 00:29:30,620 And it's been extra special. 542 00:29:30,620 --> 00:29:33,220 I'll have this as an anniversary episode. 543 00:29:33,220 --> 00:29:35,300 I did pull up the analytics the other day. 544 00:29:35,300 --> 00:29:41,380 And when I looked earlier in the week, it was 1,575 people had, had downloaded the episodes 545 00:29:41,380 --> 00:29:43,380 and it was in 26 different countries. 546 00:29:43,380 --> 00:29:45,660 People had listened to, which was kind of cool. 547 00:29:45,660 --> 00:29:48,940 Like who would have thought this one's going to tip the scales so I can feel it. 548 00:29:48,940 --> 00:29:49,940 Okay. 549 00:29:49,940 --> 00:29:50,940 All right. 550 00:29:50,940 --> 00:29:51,940 It will. 551 00:29:51,940 --> 00:29:52,940 So, um, well, thanks for joining me. 552 00:29:52,940 --> 00:29:56,860 And if you want to follow the why not today podcast, we're on Apple, iTunes, Google, there's 553 00:29:56,860 --> 00:30:00,060 a website now, which is just why not today podcast. 554 00:30:00,060 --> 00:30:04,900 We do have some merchandise, which I guess the sales are going to work to fund Christopher 555 00:30:04,900 --> 00:30:07,220 for going, um, helicopter skiing. 556 00:30:07,220 --> 00:30:13,660 I've got and T shirts and vinyls and I even have a, um, a jacket now, which is kind of 557 00:30:13,660 --> 00:30:14,660 fun. 558 00:30:14,660 --> 00:30:15,660 So, well, thank you again. 559 00:30:15,660 --> 00:30:19,740 And if you want to rate the podcast, review it, I would really appreciate it. 560 00:30:19,740 --> 00:30:21,220 And thanks Chris for joining us. 561 00:30:21,220 --> 00:30:22,220 Thanks. 562 00:30:22,220 --> 00:30:23,220 All right. 563 00:30:23,220 --> 00:30:38,220 Bye.