Welcome to the Why Not Today podcast where we celebrate courage, determination, and the
power of saying why not today.
I'm your host Leslie Cain.
In each episode, we dive into inspiring stories of individuals who have taken bold steps,
faced their fears, and embraced the possibilities of today.
From entrepreneurs to artists, dreamers to doers, we explore the moments when we say
enough waiting, why not today?
Find me as we uncover the heartwarming, the audacious, and the transformative, whether
it's pursuing a lifelong passion, overcoming obstacles, simply choosing joy.
Our guests share their journeys and inspire us all.
I started this podcast in honor of my father, Patrick Cain, who often said why not today.
And remember, you're just one decision away from changing your life.
And my guest today is one of those perfect examples.
They say the Kevin Bacon game is seven degrees of separation, but I think we're like a couple
degrees of separation from all different angles.
I feel like your world is kind of circling mine and all the connections.
And so my friend Jamie is like, oh, you have to meet Marissa.
And Jamie is another interesting story, which I think I share on another podcast of how
we make we connected, which was just like a random set of things that had to happen.
And she's like, you need to meet my friend Marissa.
And then when I looked on Facebook and all the connections from all the different places
in my world and just so many people know you, love you, and I'm excited to know you too
and have you as a friend.
So welcome.
Thank you.
Why not today podcast?
So Marissa, share with us a little quick bio of you and a fun fact that somebody might
not know.
Oh, so I'm in my 57th year, 57th time around the sun.
So that's exciting.
I have two amazing sons who are my greatest teachers, 24 and 27.
And my oldest son is engaged to an amazing young woman.
So very excited about that.
I'm a 30 plus year entrepreneur.
I've had I'm building my fourth and my fifth business right now.
So I've had multiple exits.
I've built multi-million dollar businesses and, you know, basically my whole entrepreneurial
journey.
Leslie really has kind of been my vehicle for my own spiritual awakening and my soul's
development.
That's kind of how I see it.
So I always tell you about that with your courage journey.
And I love you.
I'm unemployed.
I mean, I'm unemployable, right?
Because I'm just in constant evolution and I'm constantly in creation.
And that's just how I'm meant to flow through the world.
Yeah, love it.
So I mentioned earlier that I connected with Elaine Gibson yesterday that knows you well.
I love her.
And she asked me what my archetype was.
And I'm like, I don't know what that is.
Have you done your archetype?
It's so funny you mentioned that.
So I am very familiar with archetypes, but it may be different than what Elaine was talking
about.
One of my most important spiritual teachers and mentors is a woman named Dr. Carolyn Miss.
And she is a medical intuitive.
She talks about four primary universal archetypes that we all have.
Those are the child, the victim, the saboteur, and the prostitute.
Those are the universal archetypes that exist in all of us.
And then there are thousands of other individual archetypes.
So I don't think Elaine was probably talking about that, but I'm
She was talking about a different one.
And this person out of the UK sent me the link and maybe I'll share it in the show notes
just because it was so interesting.
And you do this quick test and it talks about who you are.
And I'm like, all right, they know exactly.
It knew like I'm a creator and I'm creative and innovative and get bored easily.
And what the new thing and there's many tests out there.
I'm certified in the Enneagram, which I've done that before.
The most deep, most of the deep rooted and most accurate tests.
And then there are also tests around human design and gene keys, which kind of get into
our genetic coding and our DNA, which I love.
I mean, we could do a whole show on that.
But there are so many different tests out there.
So kind of boost our own self-awareness and have a better understanding of how we move
through the world.
Yeah, it was so cool.
I've never heard of that one.
I mean, I've done on Enneagram and I'm a strength finder and obviously Disk and Myers-Briggs
and recently the Positive Intelligence.
Yeah, I'm trained in Positive Intelligence.
Are you?
Okay.
Yeah, I went through that program.
So all the different things, but it's really cool to just, they're so on, you know, how
they can figure out who you are.
All right, so back to courage.
What does courage mean to you?
So you know, I've been thinking a lot about this question and I actually found something
yesterday and I follow a poet on Instagram and something that she posted really resonated
with me.
So I'm going to read it to you because to me, this is kind of the definition of courage.
When you wrap your arms around your own soul, you become a wildflower in the world of concrete
where you bloom not for others, but for yourself.
So for me, the definition of courage is truly having enough self-love to honor your soul,
to honor who you are, to make decisions that are in alignment with your highest self regardless
of what other people are expecting from you.
That really is kind of the definition of courage is wrapping your arms around your own soul.
Love that.
Interesting.
I think everybody has a different take on it and it all is so complimentary and you know,
just like our personality difference or difference, the courage is different.
So just as you start to give that definition, your sound will have a little light up.
So maybe speak up a little bit.
Sure.
Yeah.
And hopefully you guys are not hearing the background noise at my house, but they are
drilling in the concrete outside and that's all I hear.
So hopefully it's not coming through.
We tried to test it, but we couldn't figure it out.
All right, so I love your definition of courage and you've had lots of businesses and so let's
talk about your courage journey and I always talk about people's courage journey.
Like your why not today moments in your life and that moment that you remember where you
were, what you're doing, who you're with, like you feel like, like that made those pivotal
changes in your life.
Yeah, I've had many of those.
Yeah.
So let's share some of those.
Many, many and I think for me, a couple of the most pivotal ones, I've had, so I'm a melanoma
survivor.
So I can remember the day that I got the call from the doctor that I had melanoma and that
was a big wake up call.
And then I had a breast cancer scare.
I had to go for an MRI and I was diagnosed from that MRI with stage three breast cancer.
And so I can remember that day thinking I am not going to see my children grow up.
I remember that day, but there were things going on in my body, hormonally, that were
shifting like literally by the day.
And so by the time my oncologist actually did another test, the mass that was in my
breast had actually moved and dissolved.
And so we had to do a lot of testing.
And it came back as suspicious, but it did not come back as malignant.
But I've heard those words, you have cancer twice now.
And so I've had to have procedures for the melanoma.
I had to have that removed.
Thank God that didn't go any deeper.
And then the breast cancer scare, I had to have two lumpectomies and I have to, I'm under
a pretty constant supervision with all of that just based on what my genetic profile
is.
And so when you hear you have cancer, it just really changes the way you look at life.
And I've always moved through life knowing that tomorrow is not promised.
And so for me, I forgive very quickly.
I don't hold on to anger.
I truly, my intention, my highest intention is always to kind of be in that place of unconditional
love and unconditional acceptance, knowing that everyone is on their own journey and
that everyone's doing their best.
And I live by the four agreements within Domie Galerouise's book, The Four Agreements,
be impeccable with your word.
And that means to be impeccable with your word within yourself as well as with others.
Don't make assumptions, don't take anything personally and always do your best knowing
that that changes from moment to moment.
So for me, you know, we're all human.
And I certainly have had my times and periods in my life when, you know, that I'm not proud
of, but I also have engaged in self forgiveness.
But overall, my intention is to move through life from a place of not even just forgiveness,
but to even transcend that to a place of compassion and empathy and understanding, knowing that
everyone does their best.
Love that.
And you know, it is such a journey.
And that book you recommended, The Four Agreements.
I have it.
I don't think I've ever gotten through it, but I pulled it out again.
Yeah, it's very important.
I tried to, I mean, that was when I was raising my kids.
It was a book that was very important for my, for my parenting so that we could raise our
children with compassion.
Yeah.
Yeah, definitely need to pull that back out.
It's amazing how some books, I don't know about you, but I read in one period and then
I grab again, because that is one thing I'm very protective of is my books.
Like, they don't leave my house.
I've let a couple of people borrow them and I don't see them again.
So I stopped doing that.
Because I pick them up again and I read them.
And yeah, reading six books at the same time, you know, and different messages come through.
Yeah, you read them.
Yeah, totally different.
One of my other most important books is called the second half of life.
It's by a cultural anthropologist named Angelus Arion.
And that book, every time I listen to it, something new emerges.
Like it's, I've listened to it probably a dozen times and it is such a profound book
about the second half of life and that what that journey looks like, you know, we spend
so much of our life, especially the first half becoming.
Right.
And the second half really is kind of unbecoming, right?
Just recognizing that all of the striving that we've done in our life is only going to
bring us to the place of realization that we have always been complete.
Yeah, I have to listen to that one.
And do you, I do enjoy listening to books and reading books.
And I found if I listen to books, I kind of remember key points where I am when I'm walking
or doing something.
Yeah.
And I listen to books all the time while I'm walking, if I'm not in silent meditation,
you know, where I just leave everything behind.
And I have discovered recently, I don't know if you pay for Spotify, but there's a lot
of books on Spotify.
So that's part of it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I do.
Love for that listening.
All right.
So give us some tips, some courage, the stories that you've gone through.
You know, how can we encourage other people, bless other people, give people tools that
we should be here based on your journey, your advice to other people?
So my single, I think my most important piece of advice is people are kind of going through
their own journeys is, you know, from the time we are born, we are conditioned.
We are conditioned to compare ourselves.
I mean, people, you know, kids go to preschool at ages two, three, four, five from the minute
that they are put in community environments, they're being compared to other people, whether
it's this one with the blonde hair, this one with the dark hair, this one with the light
skin, this one with the dark skin, the short one, the tall one, the fat one, the skinny
one, the one who's outgoing, the one who's not outgoing, the one who's got straight hair,
the one who's got curly hair, the one who's got brown eyes, the one who has blue eyes,
right?
Like it doesn't, it doesn't matter what it is, but we are already conditioned from the
time we are little to be compared to other people.
And so what that does, Leslie, is it creates in us at a very early age of feeling of separateness.
And it takes a very strong person to not be impacted negatively by that, right?
To not be impacted by the external voices of comparison.
And so going through our journey, if we can truly do the work where we feel connected
to who we are in our soul and feel connected to our spirit, it's going to help us a lot
in the long run.
I've done a lot of writing and a lot of speaking about imposter syndrome.
And especially, you know, this, this, you know, we're in the DC region, right?
This is a very driven type of environment.
It's a very comparative environment.
I mean, it's a very polarized environment.
It's very easy for us to think that we're not enough.
But the only way that we feel that we're not enough is if we are making those other comparisons,
right?
When we can strip away all of the comparisons, the material comparisons, the financial comparisons,
the professional, the educational comparisons, when we can strip all of that away, we realize
that we are fully complete within ourselves and that there is no imposter syndrome because
we are literally the only ones that can beat us.
So how, what does that look like?
How do you do that?
Because we all have that going through our brain.
So how do you?
Yeah.
Well, you do that.
I mean, a lot of it is made by my spiritual path, right?
Dami Galruiz has another book called The Five Levels of Attachment, which isn't as popular
as his other one, as far as well known, but it's a very important book because he goes
through the different levels of attachment and he talks about like, if we want inner freedom,
if we want that inner peace, that inner tranquility, we have to release the attachment to everything
outside of us, the money, the materialism, the house, all of that, right?
And when we don't associate our identity with those things, that's where we have the most
freedom.
We raised our kids in Ashburn, Virginia, in Brambleton.
My family at the time had a house that was almost 7,000 square feet.
That's actually Jamie and I were neighbors.
And it was just such a bizarre upbringing and existence for me, not my own upbringing, but
just a bizarre existence because I've never been rooted in that material world.
And here I was in this environment where it was like, that's really all it was about.
And just being there, it just, for me, it was like the Twilight Zone, right?
And so that was almost 7,000 square feet of footprint, which never felt good for me because
I felt that environmentally and ecologically it was irresponsible.
I felt I could never catch up.
There were rooms in that house that we never went into.
It was just, it was so much, right?
I hate that much space.
And I look at my life today now, Leslie, and I'm in a 715 square foot apartment.
And I've never felt freer.
Like I just, my whole life is lighter.
My whole life is simpler and lighter.
I believe in living light, traveling light, and being the light.
Like that's kind of how I go through life.
So I have a 715 square foot apartment and it's perfect.
Like it's just, it's all I need.
There's no additional footprint.
My utility bill every month is $60.
I can't imagine what it was before in the big, huge house.
It was insane.
Yeah.
It was hundreds.
Oh.
Hundreds.
Yeah.
Ridiculous.
So the house I grew up in Reston was when my parents bought it in the 70s.
It was the most expensive house in Reston.
They paid a whole $150,000 for it.
But, you know, we had a good life, but I didn't realize we were the family people like, oh,
they're the ones with the money, which we didn't.
Yeah.
Six kids and it was never really that, but it's amazing the perception.
And then I look at those houses now.
Most of those houses are, and they're single family, pretty nice size house on Lake.
There's one in two people on most of those houses and the square footage per person is
ridiculous.
Yeah.
So we can go on a whole change of that.
But yeah.
But just, you know, you asked about how do you get to that place where you're not in
the constant, you know, the comparison mode.
And it really is about not looking outward.
It's about looking inward.
Right.
And really understanding what speaks to your own spirit and what speaks to your own soul
and from a business perspective, when you can dial into that and you can really be connected
to what I call your zone of genius, then from building a business, because I've built multiple
businesses.
I'm kind of shifting into strategic mode now and I do this with my businesses now.
I want to stay in my zone of genius and creation and creativity, connection, communication.
I do a lot of coaching.
I do a lot of training, education.
You know, I have two companies in order for me to stay in my zone of genius.
I have learned how I am the bottleneck, the impediment to my own growth.
Okay.
So what are the areas in my life that I don't enjoy?
What is not the highest and best use of my time?
I always want to be spending and investing my time on things that I love, that I'm great
at and it's the highest and best use of my time.
And so anything else I outsource.
So like I have a full time digital marketing assistant.
I don't want to know all of those technologies.
I don't want to create my own marketing materials that is, I'm great for content and
ideation, but I don't want to touch a tool, right?
So know what you do well.
Know what you love.
What your zone of genius is, what you want to be doing all day, every day, and then outsource
the rest.
And people might say, well, I really can't afford that.
Well, you have to put your own skin in the game in order to build your business.
And if you can do that and really stay in your zone of genius, then you're going to end
up generating a lot more revenue for yourself than if you try and do everything, including
the things that you don't like.
Right.
Totally agree.
And I am, I'm having my website redesigned.
And so there was a couple of graphics I gave to the women working on it.
Like, can you, how would you change this?
And they redid it completely in like 10 minutes.
And I'm like, okay, I am staying in my lane.
That is not my lane.
That's right.
And a quote that I've heard many times is take the pennies out of your eyes so you can
see the dollar signs.
Oh, I love that.
And so, you know, the example is cleaning your house.
You know, it takes you a long time to do it, pay somebody and get on the phone and work
and sell whatever you're selling or do your work.
Because that's not making you money to clean a toilet.
I totally agree with you.
You know, and we probably have a lot of people listening to this show who might have kids
who are in middle school or high school or going through the whole college process.
I will tell you that my older son was in a private school and so his school had a very
robust college application support system.
My younger son was in the public school in Loudoun County and the guidance counselors
were overwhelmed.
So there was no support at all for preparing them for college.
Again, that was not my area of strength, right?
I didn't know the process.
And I didn't want to know the process.
And I didn't want the last year of him being at home, being about me nagging him to get
his college stuff done.
So I wanted to take that out of our relationship and I wanted to really enjoy the last year
that he was home.
And so I outsourced that to a college counselor and it was only a few hours.
It wasn't a huge investment.
And what it is, is it took all that stress out of our relationship.
He was accountable to her and I didn't have to take my work time to be nagging him on
filling out applications and doing college.
That is so smart.
My own son did the same thing.
Invested in tutors to help my nephew get higher test scores so he could get in the college
he wanted with a scholarship.
So what she invested got paid back so much.
Exactly.
Same with my younger son.
Yeah, he ended up going to, he went on full, practically full academic scholarship, not
quite, but he went on a high academic scholarship as a Division I athlete.
He went on an academic scholarship, but he ran.
And we still had to pay, when we still had to pay quite a bit out of pocket, but he would
not have been able to go to that college if he didn't have the academic scholarship.
And so, you know, those are so important lessons that I've read a book recently called Who
Not How?
Do the things that, you know, hire out the things.
And it's so, it is a hard thing to do, especially if you haven't generated the income yet, but
often say, you know, you need to hire the person before you can afford it.
Absolutely.
And then make the money and it always has come.
You know, it makes you hustle harder.
I had somebody one time in the Mary Kay world, her friend of mine's husband's like, why are
you so successful?
My wife isn't.
I'm like, because she has your income behind her and I don't.
Right.
I have to work.
Right.
Sure.
I don't get to procrastinate and not work and all those things.
Yeah.
Procrastination is luxury for business owners.
Yeah.
So what are tips for people starting a new business?
Like you have an idea, you can't sleep at night, you're like, I want to do a business,
get up, start an LLC.
And then how do you spell it?
I guess good advice was like, for me, you know, I can sell pencil or lipstick.
I know how to do that.
But when you sell your own services, how is it?
I've talked to a lot of women they're struggling with putting a price tag on that and being
able to sell their service and get out there, share with people.
So what would be your advice for that?
So the trajectory of business growth usually is where, you know, the practitioner is the
person who's doing the services.
Right.
So we start where we are a small fish in a small pond, then we become a big fish in
a small pond, then we become a small fish in a big pond, then we become a big fish in
a big pond, and then we go to the ocean.
Right.
So you literally start by putting one step in front of the other.
You start with one client.
And I started my first company, Information Experts, which I grew to about $14 million
before I exited that.
I exited that about 17 years ago.
When I say exit, I left.
I put a succession plan in place.
That company is still being run today.
Totally different from when I started it.
But when I was running it and I started it based on my master's degree of education,
of human resources and instructional design, it was a training company.
There was no LinkedIn.
There was no Facebook.
There wasn't any of that.
I would say when I started Mary Kay, we didn't even have internet.
Yeah, exactly.
Like this is going back over 30 years ago.
We had a phone.
The way that I got my first job, Leslie, as an Information Experts, is I looked in the
newspaper and I found an association that was hiring a full-time person for a technical
writing position.
And this answers your question.
To start, you want to be able to paint the picture for a prospective customer on how
you can improve their lives, how you can be a game changer in their organization or in
their life.
You have to paint that picture.
That is what the opportunity and the obligation is for anyone who's selling their services.
So when I found that ad in the newspaper for when I started Information Experts, I called
them and I asked for a meeting.
And when I got there, I said to them, I'm not looking for full-time.
I am looking to be a contractor.
And let me explain to you why that will serve your organization better.
So it's being able to paint that picture and help them understand how you're going to help
them achieve their goals.
It can't be about why it's good for you.
It can't be about doing a pitch on your features and your benefits.
It has to be about that you understand their problems and you understand what they need
and you are uniquely qualified to help them solve their problem.
One of the most important books that I read when I was starting my company and to this
day, I still recommend it, is called Blue Ocean Strategy.
It's a Harvard book.
And what that is, is the Blue Ocean is where we are creating in the marketplace what's
known as uncontested marketplace value.
And that means that we are the only ones doing what we do that somehow every everyone has
something unique about themselves.
The Red Ocean is where it's deeply competitive.
If you're in a red ocean, you are in a highly competitive, commoditized market arena and
you have not done a good job of differentiating yourself.
You want to create a blue ocean.
And my first company was initially in the commercial space and then we went to government
and then we became a hybrid.
And especially in the government space, where they really focus on price, lowest price,
you still have to be really good at differentiating yourself.
It's even more important.
And so Blue Ocean Strategy is where you come up with something that makes you uniquely who
you are and that's what you lead with.
So for anyone who's starting any business at all, they have to have confidence.
They have to have their mindset.
And they have to understand why they out of anyone else are able to help a prospect achieve
their goals.
That's how you sell what you're selling.
Yeah, that is definitely a book I'm going to go grab next.
Yeah, really, really good.
And my first company with that contract, the reason that I started it is my old boss had
told me after I did a whole business case on what my value was in the marketplace that
I would never be worth more than $34,000 to his company.
And my mom taught me to never let anyone determine your value or your worth because we alone
set that standard.
So then when I decided to start my company and I went for that first meeting, I got my
first contract for $35,000 over three months.
Yay.
Yeah.
I remember one.
I remember 30 years ago.
I quit corporate America and I worked as a consultant for somebody and I asked the price
of how much I wanted, like went way higher than my comfort level.
And they're like, okay, like, oh, that was easy.
Yeah.
And I probably made more money.
I know I made more money super part-time than I did my other job full-time.
Yeah.
So, yeah, we just need to encourage people to take that dream, that idea that keeps them
up.
And there's so many resources.
And obviously this podcast has lots of great people and resources.
I feel like I do this podcast so I can get educated and connected with amazing people
like you.
Oh, thank you.
Yeah, a lot of what I do in my clients, especially in my solopreneur clients, you know, who are
looking to negotiate their worth in the marketplace, I'm always pushing them to go higher, always.
So important.
So anything else you'd like to share?
Lots of different things.
You tell me what you'd like to talk about.
I can talk about mindset.
I can talk about entrepreneurship.
I can talk about leadership.
I can talk about the work-life integration and work-life balance.
I can talk about...
We'll look at a few more minutes.
So I think we'll work on mindset because I think that's so important.
Yes, so mindset.
I mean, I think that mindset is a practice that needs to be done every day.
For me, my content diet is really important.
I stay away from a lot of negative news.
I don't have my head in the sand, but I'm not really on Facebook at all.
I don't follow any of the feeds.
I don't get sucked into the inflammatory discussions.
I'm not looking for polarity.
I'm looking for connection and for unity.
And so I really do...
I'm very disciplined in my morning practices.
I have a Kundalini yoga practice that I do every morning.
I work out.
I'm in nature pretty much every single morning.
I am very protective of my sleep, which is about seven to eight hours every single night.
I don't drink any alcohol.
I have a pretty strict diet.
So really, I find that there is a strong connection between the mind, the body, the heart, and
the spirit, and we kind of have to nurture all of it.
There is a huge connection between the health of our mind and just our ability to focus
or the sharpness of our mind, just how we process whether or not we have brain fog,
and the health of our digestive system and our microbiome.
And so I'm very just dialed into kind of all of that and very intentional about my health.
I live in profound gratitude, especially since I've heard those words, you have cancer.
I live in profound gratitude for my health and I never take it for granted.
I plan on being here for a long time.
I want to see my children have very productive, healthy lives.
And at the same time, I'm very much aware that tomorrow is not promised.
And so I do what I can to truly be in gratitude for every day.
Great tools and great advice.
And a lot of those things I definitely follow.
It makes, it does make a difference.
And I had a guest on one time and she had climbed herself to the top of the corporate
ladder as an African American woman.
She literally came from the ghettos in LA and was in the C-suite and ended up with cancer
twice, wasn't genetic, but stress related.
And we were talking about insurance because when I quit my job, people are like, what
are you going to do about insurance?
I'm like, I'm going to pay for it.
You guys are paying, working for somebody else, you're paying for it too.
And she said, yeah, I had really good insurance.
Thank goodness.
But because that job, they gave me really good insurance, I needed it.
That's right.
Yes, we're not promised tomorrow.
We need to live our life.
Why not today and do the things now, enjoy the time, the people.
I am blessed, but I have a great nephew now and he is just precious, but he lives in
Kentucky and he's here visiting.
So I shifted my schedule around because I can.
That's right.
That's important to me.
That's right.
Well, I talked about, you know, you sent me an email, you know, after you went through
the questions I asked and said, one of the questions we talked about is how you knew
my dad, which doesn't sound like you did.
And so the connection, I'm trying to think, Jamie didn't know my dad either.
She came around after my dad passed away, but I always try to, as people talk, see connection
things go.
He was an entrepreneur, he owned his own business my whole life that I remember and built several
companies and did lots of different things with that.
But one of the things we talked about earlier was, and this was the philosophy of his, is
he was a city planner.
And so I think this is ingrained in my brain.
Like he talked about all these people that do become successful and they think they need
bigger houses and they go out further so they can get more house and more house.
And they didn't enjoy their house because they're working too much or computing too much.
And that whole space thing, it's like, you don't need that.
So we said that, that's not a reminder me and my dad.
So I will share in the show notes all your contact information.
Okay.
And probably some of these book recommendations.
Sure.
Because that's always a good thing.
So what's the best place for people to find you, Marissa?
LinkedIn.
LinkedIn, okay.
I'm on Facebook, but I'm really rarely on Facebook and then honestly my Instagram channel,
my social media person handles most of that.
But I engage in LinkedIn and then Marissa international.com is my website as well as
I five conscious leadership.com.
I'm writing my next book, which is called the little book of big joy.
And that is a whole roadmap for living your most joyful life.
And so can sign up for my newsletter, the joyful journey on my website.
Okay, I'll have to get that.
And then we'll have definitely have to have you back when your book comes out.
When's it supposed to come out?
End of 2025 by the end of 2025.
Okay.
You may have to have you come over the river.
Love love to.
And be a speaker at the luncheon sometime too.
Yeah, love love to.
Yeah, so great.
Well, thank you for being on and sharing all your insight and thank you everybody for
joining us on this inspiring journey.
Wherever it is an opportunity to take action, chase your dreams and make a difference.
No.
So why not today, subscribe, share and keep pushing forward.
And so you can find everything you want about the why not today podcast under why not today
podcast.com.
And we're on every channel.
We're, I don't know if you were listening or watching, we have both.
And then as the why not today brand grows, we are adding we're doing a luncheon and rest
in Virginia.
So if you're interested, why not take connects?
We're adding a connect and sip a team morning event.
And then I am setting up courses and masterminds to help support people starting their business.
So why not today?
And thank you, Marissa for being a part of this journey.
Such a pleasure.
Thank you for what you're doing Leslie.
Thank you.