WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.500 Hey y 'all, welcome to Questions You Didn't Ask. 00:00:02.839 --> 00:00:07.179 Did you know that this very spot could be showcasing 00:00:07.179 --> 00:00:10.320 your business or event? Whether it's an audio 00:00:10.320 --> 00:00:14.460 ad on our podcast, or a visual ad on our new 00:00:14.460 --> 00:00:18.100 YouTube station, or even both, we've got the 00:00:18.100 --> 00:00:21.620 space for you. Nyesha Frey Consulting is reaching 00:00:21.620 --> 00:00:24.420 a growing audience of over a thousand leaders 00:00:24.420 --> 00:00:27.839 who are passionate about health equity, social 00:00:27.839 --> 00:00:32.070 justice, and civil rights activism. These are 00:00:32.070 --> 00:00:35.329 professionals just like you working across higher 00:00:35.329 --> 00:00:40.409 education, research, healthcare, nonprofit, government, 00:00:40.590 --> 00:00:44.030 and even public health sectors. If you're ready 00:00:44.030 --> 00:00:46.630 to get your message in front of a dedicated and 00:00:46.630 --> 00:00:52.469 engaged audience, send me an email at naishafrayconsultingllc 00:00:52.469 --> 00:00:57.149 at gmail .com. Let's talk about how we can help 00:00:57.149 --> 00:00:59.710 you connect with the people who need to hear 00:00:59.710 --> 00:01:02.810 about your services and products that advance 00:01:02.810 --> 00:01:06.969 health equity and wellness. Don't miss out. Get 00:01:06.969 --> 00:01:09.269 in the mix and let's make an impact together. 00:01:19.549 --> 00:01:22.409 Hello and welcome to Questions You Didn't Ask. 00:01:22.670 --> 00:01:26.769 I'm Nyesha Frey. CEO of Nyasha Frey Consulting, 00:01:26.769 --> 00:01:30.489 LLC, and your host of this show. I'm really glad 00:01:30.489 --> 00:01:32.930 you're here because today we're kicking off a 00:01:32.930 --> 00:01:36.349 very special series, Doing It For Ourselves, 00:01:36.510 --> 00:01:39.909 Black Women, Salons, and the Science of Health 00:01:39.909 --> 00:01:43.409 Equity. Let me tell you why this series matters 00:01:43.409 --> 00:01:47.950 to me and why I think it matters to you. My career 00:01:47.950 --> 00:01:50.370 started in HIV research at the University of 00:01:50.370 --> 00:01:52.569 North Carolina at Chapel Hill School of Nursing. 00:01:53.209 --> 00:01:55.950 When I saw the chance to join the team at the 00:01:55.950 --> 00:01:58.150 Heat Lab at Duke University School of Nursing, 00:01:58.329 --> 00:02:01.769 working on the Updose Protective Style Study, 00:02:01.989 --> 00:02:05.989 also known as using PrEP, doing it for ourselves, 00:02:06.489 --> 00:02:10.250 it felt like a full circle moment. At Naisha 00:02:10.250 --> 00:02:13.349 Frey Consulting, we build community -informed 00:02:13.349 --> 00:02:16.389 solutions to health equity challenges. The Heat 00:02:16.389 --> 00:02:18.949 Lab's mission, addressing health disparities 00:02:18.949 --> 00:02:22.210 through equity, engagement, advocacy, and trust, 00:02:22.810 --> 00:02:26.689 aligns perfectly. They're doing real -world research 00:02:26.689 --> 00:02:29.469 in places where people already look for care, 00:02:29.669 --> 00:02:33.509 guidance, and trust. Salons and barbershops, 00:02:33.669 --> 00:02:36.849 community hubs, the spaces where Black women 00:02:36.849 --> 00:02:40.789 and men, and yes, families too, gather. And yes, 00:02:40.849 --> 00:02:45.210 some of you might be thinking, wait, HIV? Isn't 00:02:45.210 --> 00:02:49.810 that old news? Or we don't hear about HIV like 00:02:49.810 --> 00:02:53.439 we used to, especially after COVID. Unfortunately, 00:02:53.439 --> 00:02:58.979 HIV is still a thing. And that's why this matters. 00:02:59.340 --> 00:03:02.719 Here's what the data show. Black African American 00:03:02.719 --> 00:03:06.180 people make up roughly 12 % of the US population, 00:03:06.259 --> 00:03:11.500 yet they accounted for 38 % of new HIV diagnoses 00:03:11.500 --> 00:03:16.180 in 2022. The US South bears a huge share of this 00:03:16.180 --> 00:03:19.520 burden. In 2022, the South accounted for approximately 00:03:19.520 --> 00:03:25.169 52%. of all new HIV diagnoses, even though it's 00:03:25.169 --> 00:03:29.789 only about 38 % of the population. Among women, 00:03:30.050 --> 00:03:34.330 Black women represent about 13 % of U .S. women, 00:03:34.490 --> 00:03:38.689 but account for around 50 % of new HIV diagnoses 00:03:38.689 --> 00:03:44.530 among women. Prevention is possible. Daily PrEP, 00:03:44.629 --> 00:03:48.270 also known as pre -exposure prophylaxis, can 00:03:48.270 --> 00:03:52.770 reduce HIV risk by more than 90 % when taken 00:03:52.770 --> 00:03:57.069 as prescribed. Yet in many Southern Black communities, 00:03:57.310 --> 00:04:01.310 for each new HIV diagnosis among Black people, 00:04:01.469 --> 00:04:04.710 there were only about four Black PrEP users. 00:04:05.009 --> 00:04:09.729 Now compare that to about 27 White PrEP users 00:04:09.729 --> 00:04:14.610 for each new diagnosis among White people. The 00:04:14.610 --> 00:04:19.860 comparison is staggering. Four to 27. between 00:04:19.860 --> 00:04:24.139 Black and white PrEP users. When you hear these 00:04:24.139 --> 00:04:27.259 numbers, you realize the challenge isn't just 00:04:27.259 --> 00:04:31.939 science or medicine. It's access, trust, design, 00:04:32.420 --> 00:04:36.980 places, people, leadership. And that brings us 00:04:36.980 --> 00:04:40.480 back to community health. The mix of programs, 00:04:40.759 --> 00:04:44.300 places, policies, and people that make a difference 00:04:44.300 --> 00:04:48.129 in a community's well -being. And... Health justice, 00:04:48.350 --> 00:04:50.990 the belief that everyone, no matter their zip 00:04:50.990 --> 00:04:54.910 code or skin color or income, deserves fair access 00:04:54.910 --> 00:04:58.810 to care, resources, and power to shape systems. 00:04:59.550 --> 00:05:02.370 We also have to acknowledge the historical backdrop. 00:05:02.810 --> 00:05:05.470 For decades, the U .S. healthcare system was 00:05:05.470 --> 00:05:08.389 segregated. Hospitals and clinics were designed 00:05:08.389 --> 00:05:12.009 to serve white and Black people separately under 00:05:12.009 --> 00:05:15.300 laws like the Hill -Burton Act. Broad enforcement 00:05:15.300 --> 00:05:18.839 of desegregation only came later via Medicare 00:05:18.839 --> 00:05:22.839 and Title VI. That separate and unequal structure 00:05:22.839 --> 00:05:27.279 left deep scars. Higher maternal and infant mortality 00:05:27.279 --> 00:05:30.300 in Black communities, more chronic disease burden, 00:05:30.519 --> 00:05:33.980 less access to research opportunity and leadership 00:05:33.980 --> 00:05:37.439 roles, and even higher risk of medical neglect 00:05:37.439 --> 00:05:41.939 or error in some settings. And leadership matters. 00:05:42.860 --> 00:05:46.600 Very few nurses have research doctorates. Fewer 00:05:46.600 --> 00:05:50.180 than 3 % of all registered nurses hold a PhD 00:05:50.180 --> 00:05:53.879 or equivalent research degree. And Black nurse 00:05:53.879 --> 00:05:57.579 scientists are vastly underrepresented, in part 00:05:57.579 --> 00:06:01.680 because only a small number of HBCUs historically 00:06:01.680 --> 00:06:06.180 offered PhD nursing programs. Until we expand 00:06:06.180 --> 00:06:10.459 and diversify the pipeline, equity remains incomplete. 00:06:11.529 --> 00:06:14.649 Now let me introduce two remarkable women who 00:06:14.649 --> 00:06:18.209 are leading the charge. Dr. Shanita Randolph 00:06:18.209 --> 00:06:21.110 is associate professor at Duke University School 00:06:21.110 --> 00:06:24.350 of Nursing and is the founding director and principal 00:06:24.350 --> 00:06:27.529 investigator of the HEAT Lab. She is a nurse 00:06:27.529 --> 00:06:31.290 scientist, educator, and advocate dedicated to 00:06:31.290 --> 00:06:34.389 advancing health equity and social justice. Her 00:06:34.389 --> 00:06:38.319 research focuses on culturally responsive, community 00:06:38.319 --> 00:06:42.000 -driven interventions to address racial and ethnic 00:06:42.000 --> 00:06:45.500 health disparities, especially in Black families 00:06:45.500 --> 00:06:48.879 and communities. She has secured competitive 00:06:48.879 --> 00:06:52.680 national funding, is widely published, and is 00:06:52.680 --> 00:06:55.439 a fellow of the American Academy of Nursing. 00:06:55.800 --> 00:06:59.220 With the HEAT Lab, she leads the work of turning 00:06:59.220 --> 00:07:02.720 research into trust, engagement, and lasting 00:07:02.720 --> 00:07:06.689 partnership. Might I add that Dr. Randolph recently 00:07:06.689 --> 00:07:09.829 received tenure at the Duke University School 00:07:09.829 --> 00:07:13.509 of Nursing. Congratulations, Dr. Randolph. Dr. 00:07:13.670 --> 00:07:16.810 Reagan Johnson is Associate Clinical Professor 00:07:16.810 --> 00:07:20.910 and Project Director of LEAP, known as Leading 00:07:20.910 --> 00:07:23.949 to Equitable Access to Health Professionals at 00:07:23.949 --> 00:07:27.149 Duke University School of Nursing, and co -investigator 00:07:27.149 --> 00:07:30.709 in the UPDO study. With nearly 20 years of experience, 00:07:31.129 --> 00:07:34.170 she combines clinician, educator, and scholar 00:07:34.170 --> 00:07:37.970 roles. Her work focuses on sexual health promotion 00:07:37.970 --> 00:07:41.389 in Black communities and innovatively uses space 00:07:41.389 --> 00:07:45.269 like salons and barbershops for outreach. Her 00:07:45.269 --> 00:07:48.370 scholarship was featured in the New England Journal 00:07:48.370 --> 00:07:51.490 of Medicine, and she is a national leader in 00:07:51.490 --> 00:07:55.290 equitable HIV prevention. Both of these women 00:07:55.290 --> 00:07:58.810 are among the few doctorally trained nurse scientists 00:07:58.810 --> 00:08:01.879 at elite universities. who are leading large 00:08:01.879 --> 00:08:04.420 -scale community -based research initiatives. 00:08:05.060 --> 00:08:07.860 Duke University School of Nursing itself is globally 00:08:07.860 --> 00:08:11.060 recognized for innovation, leadership, and research 00:08:11.060 --> 00:08:14.620 excellence, making this team uniquely powerful. 00:08:15.720 --> 00:08:18.720 Over the next four episodes, we'll dive into 00:08:18.720 --> 00:08:22.439 how stylists become health navigators, how salons 00:08:22.439 --> 00:08:25.839 become sites for trust and prevention, how prep 00:08:25.839 --> 00:08:29.420 becomes accessible, and how Black women become 00:08:29.420 --> 00:08:33.059 leaders in their own health story. We'll ask, 00:08:33.159 --> 00:08:35.879 how do you build interventions with the community, 00:08:36.059 --> 00:08:40.879 not just for them? How do you link real -world 00:08:40.879 --> 00:08:44.440 research with lived experience? How do you shift 00:08:44.440 --> 00:08:48.320 power so that change is not done to Black women, 00:08:48.460 --> 00:08:52.059 but by Black women? So whether you're listening 00:08:52.059 --> 00:08:54.759 in your car, on your walk, or sitting in your 00:08:54.759 --> 00:08:58.139 favorite salon chair, get ready. Get ready to 00:08:58.139 --> 00:09:02.639 engage. Get ready to be inspired. Get ready to 00:09:02.639 --> 00:09:05.519 take action. Because this isn't just about asking 00:09:05.519 --> 00:09:09.460 questions. It's about changing the system. Together, 00:09:09.639 --> 00:09:13.759 let's begin. Now that we have heard your illustrious 00:09:13.759 --> 00:09:17.259 bios and my audience is excited to hear more 00:09:17.259 --> 00:09:19.980 about the work that you do, I want to start out 00:09:19.980 --> 00:09:24.320 with you, Dr. Randolph. You know, this is a question 00:09:24.320 --> 00:09:26.559 that I give most of my guests just so that my 00:09:26.559 --> 00:09:28.960 audience gets an idea of like, what motivated 00:09:28.960 --> 00:09:31.940 you to join us here today and have this conversation? 00:09:32.659 --> 00:09:35.080 Well, first of all, thank you for having me. 00:09:35.340 --> 00:09:40.100 I think that it was definitely the goals and 00:09:40.100 --> 00:09:43.259 your vision for your podcast definitely aligned 00:09:43.259 --> 00:09:46.620 with me around, especially around equity and 00:09:46.620 --> 00:09:49.399 engaging people in conversations that are real 00:09:49.399 --> 00:09:52.740 conversations. Questions that they may think 00:09:52.740 --> 00:09:56.240 about, but really don't have the safe space to 00:09:56.240 --> 00:09:59.519 have those conversations. So that was it. And 00:09:59.519 --> 00:10:03.779 of course, because it's you, Naisha. Thank you 00:10:03.779 --> 00:10:07.820 so much, Shanita. I appreciate that. Dr. Reagan 00:10:07.820 --> 00:10:11.860 Johnson, tell us a little bit about why did you 00:10:11.860 --> 00:10:14.419 say yes when I called and said, would you please 00:10:14.419 --> 00:10:17.539 join us in this conversation? Yeah, so like, 00:10:17.639 --> 00:10:20.120 thank you again for inviting me and having me 00:10:20.120 --> 00:10:21.980 on. It's a pleasure to be here. And like Shanita 00:10:21.980 --> 00:10:25.399 said, because you asked, but also I've had the 00:10:25.399 --> 00:10:28.679 pleasure of listening to several of your episodes 00:10:28.679 --> 00:10:32.159 and seasons. And I just really like how you frame 00:10:32.159 --> 00:10:36.360 health equity in a different way, right? What 00:10:36.360 --> 00:10:39.179 we traditionally think about health equity and 00:10:39.179 --> 00:10:41.480 how you kind of weave in other topics, I think 00:10:41.480 --> 00:10:44.820 is really good. Well, thank you so much for that 00:10:44.820 --> 00:10:47.419 compliment. One of the reasons why I asked that 00:10:47.419 --> 00:10:50.419 question is one, because it helps people, of 00:10:50.419 --> 00:10:52.620 course, understand. Well, why did she invite 00:10:52.620 --> 00:10:54.559 these people? And why do they even want to talk 00:10:54.559 --> 00:10:56.820 to her about these things? But also to encourage 00:10:56.820 --> 00:10:59.899 other people that when you have a vision and 00:10:59.899 --> 00:11:02.600 you see people that you admire and you want to 00:11:02.600 --> 00:11:04.820 engage them in partnership and collaboration, 00:11:05.279 --> 00:11:08.200 sometimes it's just a matter of asking the question, 00:11:08.379 --> 00:11:11.080 right? And a lot of times you'll be surprised 00:11:11.080 --> 00:11:13.620 at the response that you get, even if it's a 00:11:13.620 --> 00:11:16.419 no for right now or a no, but I know somebody. 00:11:16.860 --> 00:11:19.779 Please lean into these conversations and opportunities 00:11:19.779 --> 00:11:22.320 for collaboration. partnership and collective 00:11:22.320 --> 00:11:26.600 action. So I've read your bios and share it with 00:11:26.600 --> 00:11:31.059 everyone who you are professionally, right? But 00:11:31.059 --> 00:11:33.940 I would love for you, and I'll start again with 00:11:33.940 --> 00:11:38.820 you, Dr. Shanita Randolph, if you could just 00:11:38.820 --> 00:11:41.840 tell us a little bit more about your origin story 00:11:41.840 --> 00:11:45.720 and where you come from and what shaped your 00:11:45.720 --> 00:11:49.659 journey into nursing and research. Wonderful. 00:11:49.720 --> 00:11:54.220 Well, thank you. So I grew up in rural North 00:11:54.220 --> 00:11:57.019 Carolina. I like to joke and say that I was born 00:11:57.019 --> 00:12:02.059 in Brooklyn, but I grew up in rural North Carolina 00:12:02.059 --> 00:12:06.019 with my grandparents. My grandfather was a farmer 00:12:06.019 --> 00:12:09.620 and my grandmother's sisters was a nurse and 00:12:09.620 --> 00:12:14.700 she had been a nurse for. maybe 40 years before 00:12:14.700 --> 00:12:18.700 she retired into nursing. And so I really credit 00:12:18.700 --> 00:12:23.279 her and some of her stories around nursing as 00:12:23.279 --> 00:12:26.759 to why that was my career choice. And it was 00:12:26.759 --> 00:12:29.139 time for me to go off to college. One of my good 00:12:29.139 --> 00:12:31.820 friends that I graduated high school with was 00:12:31.820 --> 00:12:34.519 also going into nursing at A &T. And so that 00:12:34.519 --> 00:12:37.919 sort of led me into that career field. But once 00:12:37.919 --> 00:12:42.299 I got into it, Community health really became 00:12:42.299 --> 00:12:45.720 my thing. I knew from my community health nursing 00:12:45.720 --> 00:12:48.320 instructor that, oh, community health is where 00:12:48.320 --> 00:12:51.700 it's at. And I just loved it so much. But at 00:12:51.700 --> 00:12:55.700 the time, you had to go to the hospital. It was 00:12:55.700 --> 00:12:58.159 a requirement. You had to work in the hospital 00:12:58.159 --> 00:13:00.960 a couple of years. And so I did that. But I always 00:13:00.960 --> 00:13:05.690 went back to my love and community health. From 00:13:05.690 --> 00:13:07.610 there, I went on to get my master's degree in 00:13:07.610 --> 00:13:10.009 public health. So it's just those concepts of 00:13:10.009 --> 00:13:11.970 public health and engaging the community and 00:13:11.970 --> 00:13:14.470 health promotion that has always been my passion. 00:13:15.149 --> 00:13:17.470 So I got my master's degree in public health. 00:13:17.529 --> 00:13:21.409 My PhD is actually in public health. And through 00:13:21.409 --> 00:13:23.990 being a public health nurse in a clinical setting, 00:13:24.250 --> 00:13:28.429 I was in family planning and STDs and HIV and 00:13:28.429 --> 00:13:32.559 saw a lot of young people. communities of color 00:13:32.559 --> 00:13:36.100 that were coming in for STDs and repeatedly, 00:13:36.320 --> 00:13:39.740 like for testing, having to tell people, you 00:13:39.740 --> 00:13:42.659 know, your HIV test is positive. So it really 00:13:42.659 --> 00:13:46.340 gave me this passion to ask the question of what 00:13:46.340 --> 00:13:49.320 is really going on here and how can we find solutions 00:13:49.320 --> 00:13:53.980 to address these issues, particularly in our 00:13:53.980 --> 00:13:56.720 community, in the Black community. And so I've 00:13:56.720 --> 00:13:58.860 been doing this work. I've been a nurse for 26, 00:13:59.279 --> 00:14:04.919 27 years. I've been in academia since 2004 and 00:14:04.919 --> 00:14:07.960 been in research, particularly at Duke. I've 00:14:07.960 --> 00:14:11.700 been at Duke since 2015, but that's sort of my 00:14:11.700 --> 00:14:16.100 journey of nursing research and why HIV. Yeah. 00:14:16.120 --> 00:14:19.360 Yeah. Well, I mean, it's interesting how so much 00:14:19.360 --> 00:14:22.080 of where we grow up and who we grow up with, 00:14:22.120 --> 00:14:24.679 you know, makes such a difference in terms of 00:14:24.679 --> 00:14:28.779 where we find ourselves in our professional careers. 00:14:29.529 --> 00:14:32.809 and how that motivates us into excellence, right? 00:14:33.029 --> 00:14:37.129 Because you have not just been your average nurse, 00:14:37.230 --> 00:14:39.750 you have not just been your average researcher. 00:14:40.049 --> 00:14:43.690 And that I think is, and in my experience working 00:14:43.690 --> 00:14:46.809 with you, is what sets you apart because you're 00:14:46.809 --> 00:14:50.409 so committed to and reflect back to your connection 00:14:50.409 --> 00:14:53.929 to and stay connected to your community and what 00:14:53.929 --> 00:14:56.129 their true experiences are. And I just admire 00:14:56.129 --> 00:14:59.129 that so much. Dr. Reagan Johnson, I could say 00:14:59.129 --> 00:15:00.990 some of the same things about you, but I would 00:15:00.990 --> 00:15:03.269 love for my audience to learn more about your 00:15:03.269 --> 00:15:07.789 origin story and how you came from where you 00:15:07.789 --> 00:15:11.029 started and how you landed in nursing and then 00:15:11.029 --> 00:15:15.850 eventually into research. Yeah, so I'm from Memphis, 00:15:15.990 --> 00:15:21.250 Tennessee. And when I was young, my great grandfather 00:15:21.250 --> 00:15:24.820 had a... He couldn't use his arm. I've told this 00:15:24.820 --> 00:15:27.039 story before, but he couldn't use his arm and 00:15:27.039 --> 00:15:29.799 found out that it was because he did yard work 00:15:29.799 --> 00:15:31.340 or something and a tree fell on his arm and the 00:15:31.340 --> 00:15:33.980 hospital would not treat him. And so he never 00:15:33.980 --> 00:15:36.299 said, right. So he never had full use of that 00:15:36.299 --> 00:15:40.779 arm. And then my mom was like, I was born and 00:15:40.779 --> 00:15:43.440 I was born in the late seventies. I ain't gonna 00:15:43.440 --> 00:15:46.799 tell you this. And I was born in a clinic because 00:15:46.799 --> 00:15:50.879 the hospital turned her away. So I was going 00:15:50.879 --> 00:15:54.399 to always do something in health care and health 00:15:54.399 --> 00:15:56.620 equity, right? So I thought I was going to be 00:15:56.620 --> 00:15:59.299 a doctor, go to college, the Tennessee State 00:15:59.299 --> 00:16:03.580 University, and pre -med didn't work out. But 00:16:03.580 --> 00:16:06.600 I had a great advisor who shifted me to nursing 00:16:06.600 --> 00:16:09.399 and was like, you can do all of the things that 00:16:09.399 --> 00:16:12.539 you think you want to do as an MD. You can do 00:16:12.539 --> 00:16:14.620 it as a nurse and probably have a bigger impact. 00:16:15.039 --> 00:16:18.490 So that's what I did. That's wonderful. I mean, 00:16:18.509 --> 00:16:21.330 a lot of people don't consider nursing in the 00:16:21.330 --> 00:16:25.649 same light as getting an MD or medicine, right? 00:16:25.730 --> 00:16:28.889 But we know better, right? And I'm so glad that 00:16:28.889 --> 00:16:32.750 your advisor encouraged you. I mean, your story 00:16:32.750 --> 00:16:36.370 is so amazing because a lot of people of our 00:16:36.370 --> 00:16:39.049 generation, Reagan, because I was born in that 00:16:39.049 --> 00:16:42.950 same part of the 70s, we don't think about our 00:16:42.950 --> 00:16:45.950 parents being turned away from health care. And 00:16:45.950 --> 00:16:48.690 what that immediately makes me think about is 00:16:48.690 --> 00:16:51.629 maternal health equity, having to give birth 00:16:51.629 --> 00:16:54.509 at a clinic as opposed to a hospital. And then 00:16:54.509 --> 00:16:57.049 also it kind of makes me think about how things 00:16:57.049 --> 00:16:59.750 have shifted so much where more women, Black 00:16:59.750 --> 00:17:02.590 women in particular, are giving birth at home 00:17:02.590 --> 00:17:07.990 with doulas, midwives, nurses, things like that. 00:17:08.190 --> 00:17:11.430 So things have changed so much. And it also makes 00:17:11.430 --> 00:17:14.839 me think about how impactful and important our 00:17:14.839 --> 00:17:18.059 advisors are, our mentors are, our young folks, 00:17:18.259 --> 00:17:20.279 making sure that, you know, we don't take no 00:17:20.279 --> 00:17:22.980 for an answer, right? And we get to where we're 00:17:22.980 --> 00:17:25.599 trying to go. Despite what the circumstances 00:17:25.599 --> 00:17:28.079 might be, there's more than one way to get to 00:17:28.079 --> 00:17:32.599 your goal. Yes. So, and I know that both of you 00:17:32.599 --> 00:17:36.920 mentor young researchers, you mentor graduate 00:17:36.920 --> 00:17:40.630 students, things like that. Can you tell our 00:17:40.630 --> 00:17:43.049 audience a little bit about what that's like 00:17:43.049 --> 00:17:46.990 in this phase of your professional life? You 00:17:46.990 --> 00:17:48.910 know, giving back to students that are searching 00:17:48.910 --> 00:17:53.710 for ways to make an impact. Yeah, it is by far 00:17:53.710 --> 00:17:58.029 such a deep passion for me. So much we have, 00:17:58.190 --> 00:18:01.690 along with three other colleagues, we created 00:18:01.690 --> 00:18:04.809 a program actually to address it. You know, I'm 00:18:04.809 --> 00:18:07.329 a Ph .D. prepared nurse and they're less than 00:18:07.329 --> 00:18:12.450 one to two percent. who are Black, who have PhDs 00:18:12.450 --> 00:18:16.329 focused around research and nursing. And so we 00:18:16.329 --> 00:18:19.529 have co -created Black PhD nurse scientists where 00:18:19.529 --> 00:18:22.809 we're trying to bring awareness to the role of 00:18:22.809 --> 00:18:27.190 the nurse scientist. We do HBCU tours. When we 00:18:27.190 --> 00:18:29.349 look at the historically Black colleges and universities, 00:18:29.670 --> 00:18:32.210 there are about three, only three that actually 00:18:32.210 --> 00:18:35.130 have PhD programs. And so as we're trying to 00:18:35.130 --> 00:18:37.609 address equity, we recognize the significance 00:18:37.609 --> 00:18:40.970 of You know, making sure that we are in that 00:18:40.970 --> 00:18:43.569 space, too, as leaders to be able to address 00:18:43.569 --> 00:18:47.029 equity based on our lived experiences. Right. 00:18:47.390 --> 00:18:49.690 And the contribution that we have to that. And 00:18:49.690 --> 00:18:55.390 so I am so passionate about mentoring the next 00:18:55.390 --> 00:19:00.150 generation. I think so deeply because I know 00:19:00.150 --> 00:19:02.829 the people that that were there for me and the 00:19:02.829 --> 00:19:07.180 impact we had in my life. And I also know what 00:19:07.180 --> 00:19:10.200 it feels like to have no one there. Some of my 00:19:10.200 --> 00:19:13.400 experiences that I have experienced, particularly 00:19:13.400 --> 00:19:16.880 in higher education, I don't want anyone to have 00:19:16.880 --> 00:19:19.799 to go through and have to try to just figure 00:19:19.799 --> 00:19:23.700 it out on their own. I want to be able to share 00:19:23.700 --> 00:19:25.839 experiences with them, make sure that they have 00:19:25.839 --> 00:19:29.329 the tools to be successful. in their career trajectory. 00:19:29.569 --> 00:19:32.509 So I am extremely passionate and I'll stop because 00:19:32.509 --> 00:19:39.049 I can talk about that. Love, love, love mentoring 00:19:39.049 --> 00:19:42.210 the next generation of nurses and nurse scientists. 00:19:42.930 --> 00:19:45.089 Well, I want to say thank you for being there 00:19:45.089 --> 00:19:48.170 for our next generation of nurses and nurse scientists. 00:19:48.509 --> 00:19:52.769 And Dr. Reagan, I know that this is not new for 00:19:52.769 --> 00:19:55.380 you either. This is something that you... do 00:19:55.380 --> 00:19:57.460 with a full heart. Can you tell our audience 00:19:57.460 --> 00:19:59.180 a little bit more about what that's like for 00:19:59.180 --> 00:20:03.160 you? Yeah, kind of the same. So my advisor, I 00:20:03.160 --> 00:20:08.339 went to an HBCU and I love HBCUs because you 00:20:08.339 --> 00:20:12.160 get that foundational. confidence and competence 00:20:12.160 --> 00:20:14.920 that you need to go to the next level. So anyway, 00:20:15.019 --> 00:20:17.839 my same advisor who kind of pushed me into nursing 00:20:17.839 --> 00:20:20.420 also pushed me further in saying like, you can 00:20:20.420 --> 00:20:22.740 be a nurse practitioner, you can do this. And 00:20:22.740 --> 00:20:26.039 she's like, I know people and I'm going to read 00:20:26.039 --> 00:20:28.259 about you one day. And that's what she told me. 00:20:28.519 --> 00:20:31.099 And so by the time I got to grad school at a 00:20:31.099 --> 00:20:35.299 PWI and the language coming back to me was a 00:20:35.299 --> 00:20:40.660 lot different. I had this foundation of who I 00:20:40.660 --> 00:20:44.440 was because I believed my advisor, who my advisor 00:20:44.440 --> 00:20:47.319 said I was. So my heart really for mentorship 00:20:47.319 --> 00:20:50.599 and being able to pour into people in a real 00:20:50.599 --> 00:20:54.539 way, you know what I mean? To be really someone's 00:20:54.539 --> 00:20:57.380 champion, like Shanita said, somebody's cheerleader 00:20:57.380 --> 00:21:01.630 and encourager so that they can go on. So we 00:21:01.630 --> 00:21:06.049 have a program to leap is for current RN students 00:21:06.049 --> 00:21:11.730 at HBCUs to consider graduate level nursing. 00:21:11.809 --> 00:21:14.369 So to think more about being a nurse practitioner 00:21:14.369 --> 00:21:19.470 or being a doctor of nursing practice. So these 00:21:19.470 --> 00:21:21.589 are the things that we want to encourage through 00:21:21.589 --> 00:21:26.559 our mentorship as well. And can I just say that 00:21:26.559 --> 00:21:29.460 I think the theme in this is, you know, as Reagan 00:21:29.460 --> 00:21:32.099 was saying, she went to an HBCU, I went to an 00:21:32.099 --> 00:21:38.779 HBCU. I went to an HBCU. There's an undeniable 00:21:38.779 --> 00:21:43.059 role that HBCUs play that contributes largely 00:21:43.059 --> 00:21:47.299 to this society. And I think bringing voice to 00:21:47.299 --> 00:21:50.339 that and acknowledging that is so important. 00:21:50.619 --> 00:21:54.359 And it's a culture. Right. It's something that 00:21:54.359 --> 00:21:58.200 if you haven't experienced it, you really can't 00:21:58.200 --> 00:22:01.160 really define it. But it's so funny because we 00:22:01.160 --> 00:22:05.500 have a postdoc who has recently joined us and 00:22:05.500 --> 00:22:08.319 we were meeting and she was talking about the 00:22:08.319 --> 00:22:12.480 heat lab. And that's our research lab that Dr. 00:22:12.799 --> 00:22:16.579 Reagan Johnson and I have at Duke. And she said 00:22:16.579 --> 00:22:19.539 to me, she came from a PWI, graduated with her 00:22:19.539 --> 00:22:23.680 Ph .D. And her words were. I have so enjoyed 00:22:23.680 --> 00:22:27.359 being with you all at the Heat Lab. It's almost 00:22:27.359 --> 00:22:30.940 like I'm getting the HBCU experience that I have. 00:22:33.359 --> 00:22:36.440 I love it. I said, now, wait a minute. I had 00:22:36.440 --> 00:22:38.420 to sit with that for a minute because I was like, 00:22:38.519 --> 00:22:44.220 I think that was a compliment. It is. Yeah, because 00:22:44.220 --> 00:22:48.180 it feels like home. It feels like home. Even 00:22:48.180 --> 00:22:50.220 though we're getting work done with excellence, 00:22:50.440 --> 00:22:54.089 right? High excellence. So she feels like in 00:22:54.089 --> 00:22:56.369 the heat lab, she's getting the HBCU experience 00:22:56.369 --> 00:22:59.109 that she hadn't felt before at a PWI. So I was 00:22:59.109 --> 00:23:02.150 like, okay, I love it. I'm here for it. 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Thank you for your continued 00:23:39.849 --> 00:23:42.430 support and let's keep the conversation going. 00:23:43.289 --> 00:23:46.309 I'm so glad you did, because, you know, one of 00:23:46.309 --> 00:23:48.990 the many things that I learned from being at 00:23:48.990 --> 00:23:52.970 FAMU is wherever you go, there you are. Right. 00:23:53.069 --> 00:23:56.990 And so we bring Shanita, your leadership, Reagan, 00:23:57.150 --> 00:24:00.349 your leadership tells us, bring your whole self. 00:24:00.509 --> 00:24:03.470 Right. And so that's the thing that we got from 00:24:03.470 --> 00:24:08.390 being at an HBCU is that our whole self was valued, 00:24:08.630 --> 00:24:14.680 nurtured. educated challenged celebrated right 00:24:14.680 --> 00:24:19.789 and reprimanded when needed right okay Because 00:24:19.789 --> 00:24:21.849 don't have one of your professors have to pull 00:24:21.849 --> 00:24:23.730 you aside. You're going to feel like you're at 00:24:23.730 --> 00:24:28.569 home with mama now, okay? You're going to feel 00:24:28.569 --> 00:24:31.910 like you're at home with mama now. So, you know, 00:24:31.930 --> 00:24:34.210 I think that it's interesting because one of 00:24:34.210 --> 00:24:36.549 the things about me, you all know I come from 00:24:36.549 --> 00:24:38.849 a psychology and public health background. And 00:24:38.849 --> 00:24:41.430 even though we have a lot in common in terms 00:24:41.430 --> 00:24:45.309 of our academic and professional research experiences. 00:24:46.190 --> 00:24:48.950 I came to understand what public health was later 00:24:48.950 --> 00:24:51.769 in my career. I came to understand what a nurse 00:24:51.769 --> 00:24:54.890 scientist was later in my career. And I feel 00:24:54.890 --> 00:24:56.829 like because this is questions you didn't ask, 00:24:56.950 --> 00:24:59.829 I would love for you to share with our audience 00:24:59.829 --> 00:25:03.710 what your definition of being a nurse scientist 00:25:03.710 --> 00:25:09.509 is. So they are definitely scholars who use the 00:25:09.509 --> 00:25:13.509 science literature evidence to ask a question 00:25:13.509 --> 00:25:16.910 and to solve that question. That's pretty much 00:25:16.910 --> 00:25:20.150 in layman's terms. But it's based on methodology, 00:25:20.569 --> 00:25:23.789 it's based on the science of things, the evidence, 00:25:24.089 --> 00:25:27.630 building upon evidence that may exist, asking 00:25:27.630 --> 00:25:30.910 a question, developing interventions. Like for 00:25:30.910 --> 00:25:34.589 us, we are looking at Black women in HIV and 00:25:34.589 --> 00:25:36.589 recognizing that there's a gap in the literature, 00:25:36.809 --> 00:25:39.869 there's a gap in practice. And so the question 00:25:39.869 --> 00:25:43.630 becomes, how do we implement something that is 00:25:43.630 --> 00:25:45.990 socially and culturally relevant to be able to 00:25:45.990 --> 00:25:49.430 address this problem. And so through research, 00:25:49.569 --> 00:25:51.910 you're gathering that data and that information 00:25:51.910 --> 00:25:58.470 to be able to develop and create solutions and 00:25:58.470 --> 00:26:03.869 particularly adding to the discipline of nursing. 00:26:04.109 --> 00:26:06.430 So as nurse scientists, you also collaborate 00:26:06.430 --> 00:26:09.309 with other disciplines in doing that. So that's 00:26:09.309 --> 00:26:13.430 the short answer. short answer, but having critical 00:26:13.430 --> 00:26:17.390 questions and creating solutions, not only for 00:26:17.390 --> 00:26:22.529 practice, but also for policy change. Yeah. And 00:26:22.529 --> 00:26:24.910 it's interesting too, because Shanita, you come 00:26:24.910 --> 00:26:27.930 at being a nurse scientist from the perspective 00:26:27.930 --> 00:26:30.549 of a person that, as you mentioned, is trained 00:26:30.549 --> 00:26:34.509 as a PhD. And that is different than Reagan, 00:26:34.609 --> 00:26:38.109 your training, which is a doctor and nurse practitioner. 00:26:38.170 --> 00:26:41.069 Am I saying that right? Doctor of Nursing Practice. 00:26:41.470 --> 00:26:44.369 Yes, thank you for correcting me. Tell us a little 00:26:44.369 --> 00:26:47.329 bit more about what that is and what it means 00:26:47.329 --> 00:26:52.950 in both clinical practice and research. Yeah, 00:26:52.990 --> 00:26:56.170 so the DMP was brought about to be the practice 00:26:56.170 --> 00:26:59.630 doctorate, right? It's a compliment, the PhD, 00:26:59.829 --> 00:27:03.390 the nurse scientist, and hopefully to be able 00:27:03.390 --> 00:27:06.470 to translate what's happening in research into 00:27:06.470 --> 00:27:09.069 the clinical space, right? That's kind of... 00:27:09.259 --> 00:27:13.400 how it started. It's expanded over time to include 00:27:13.400 --> 00:27:17.519 quality improvement. So can you identify a practice 00:27:17.519 --> 00:27:20.019 problem, a practice gap, something that's happening 00:27:20.019 --> 00:27:22.519 in the clinic that needs to be addressed and 00:27:22.519 --> 00:27:26.099 improved? For instance, in nursing or in medicine, 00:27:26.140 --> 00:27:28.980 people get a really short education, right? And 00:27:28.980 --> 00:27:32.160 then they're out in practice. And maybe you don't 00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:34.079 get everything. Maybe you don't know about menopause. 00:27:34.079 --> 00:27:35.900 Yeah, I know I'm real big on menopause, right? 00:27:39.210 --> 00:27:42.329 But you don't get a lot of that in your training. 00:27:42.430 --> 00:27:45.670 So a nurse practitioner or a DNP could go in 00:27:45.670 --> 00:27:49.430 and educate providers on improving care of people 00:27:49.430 --> 00:27:52.430 going through mental health. Got you. Got you. 00:27:52.609 --> 00:27:55.690 So, you know, I think that one of the things 00:27:55.690 --> 00:27:59.490 that I'm reflecting on, too, in terms of my academic 00:27:59.490 --> 00:28:02.650 walk is that, you know, a lot of folks would 00:28:02.650 --> 00:28:05.599 say to me. If you want to do research, there's 00:28:05.599 --> 00:28:07.819 lots of different avenues that you can take to 00:28:07.819 --> 00:28:12.119 do research, right? If you want to be a practitioner 00:28:12.119 --> 00:28:16.400 now, that is a lot more specific. But some of 00:28:16.400 --> 00:28:19.220 what I'm hearing, especially from you, Dr. Randolph, 00:28:19.259 --> 00:28:24.500 is that when you get your PhD, right, and you 00:28:24.500 --> 00:28:27.680 have a nursing background, you can combine those 00:28:27.680 --> 00:28:30.910 things. to inform the types of questions that 00:28:30.910 --> 00:28:33.250 you're going to ask. And that's what I get from 00:28:33.250 --> 00:28:36.990 you as well, Reagan. But it seems like the DNP, 00:28:37.190 --> 00:28:41.069 the Doctor of Nursing Practice, I think I got 00:28:41.069 --> 00:28:45.349 it, is a lot more related to exactly what it 00:28:45.349 --> 00:28:49.329 says, how you practice nursing care in a clinical 00:28:49.329 --> 00:28:52.829 environment. And so the PhD is a little bit broader. 00:28:53.069 --> 00:28:56.250 The DNP is a little bit more specific. But what 00:28:56.250 --> 00:29:00.140 makes the heat lab so... interesting is that 00:29:00.140 --> 00:29:04.660 you combine the two as co -directors for the 00:29:04.660 --> 00:29:07.440 Heat Lab. Can you tell my audience a little bit 00:29:07.440 --> 00:29:10.859 more about how that came about? What was the 00:29:10.859 --> 00:29:14.400 process and the strategy or even motivation for 00:29:14.400 --> 00:29:16.220 why that came about? And I'll start with you, 00:29:16.259 --> 00:29:19.200 Reagan, and just give you a chance to share what 00:29:19.200 --> 00:29:21.599 your insights are, just to switch it up a little 00:29:21.599 --> 00:29:25.369 bit. I can't describe in words how great it's 00:29:25.369 --> 00:29:27.750 been to be able to partner and work with Shanita 00:29:27.750 --> 00:29:30.910 and learn from her and her work that she's doing 00:29:30.910 --> 00:29:33.289 and was already doing by the time I got there. 00:29:33.490 --> 00:29:36.930 She was already on this trajectory. And then 00:29:36.930 --> 00:29:41.009 I started working at the same place and we both 00:29:41.009 --> 00:29:43.970 had an interest in HIV prevention. We both had 00:29:43.970 --> 00:29:47.329 an interest in barbershops and beauty salons 00:29:47.329 --> 00:29:51.589 as kind of places to deliver. information and 00:29:51.589 --> 00:29:54.390 health information and so in that way we were 00:29:54.390 --> 00:29:57.910 kind of put together a little bit by someone 00:29:57.910 --> 00:30:01.589 at the organization who thought we'd be you know 00:30:01.589 --> 00:30:04.630 should have lunch and we did and then i think 00:30:04.630 --> 00:30:08.710 our spirits also kind of aligned and we had a 00:30:08.710 --> 00:30:14.670 similar heart and so the magic was born i love 00:30:14.670 --> 00:30:18.769 it And Shanita, I imagine that your recollection 00:30:18.769 --> 00:30:21.829 of how this came together is very similar. Are 00:30:21.829 --> 00:30:23.630 there any other things that you'd like to share 00:30:23.630 --> 00:30:27.569 with our audience, even about, you know, how 00:30:27.569 --> 00:30:29.849 to innovate in this space through partnership, 00:30:30.009 --> 00:30:32.210 right? Through cross -discipline collaboration. 00:30:33.289 --> 00:30:38.049 Why is that important even? Yeah, the PhD -DNP 00:30:38.049 --> 00:30:41.390 partnership and collaboration is probably one 00:30:41.390 --> 00:30:45.750 of the most. powerful partnerships that can exist 00:30:45.750 --> 00:30:49.410 in nursing. I think we have opportunities to 00:30:49.410 --> 00:30:52.329 be a little bit more intentional about that. 00:30:52.509 --> 00:30:55.049 As Reagan shared, you know, I think the stars 00:30:55.049 --> 00:30:58.369 just aligned. There were multiple, multiple things, 00:30:58.509 --> 00:31:01.289 but we have been a dynamic duo. And I say that 00:31:01.289 --> 00:31:04.809 unapologetically. You know, when you think about 00:31:04.809 --> 00:31:07.589 research in general, it can take up to 17 years. 00:31:08.779 --> 00:31:11.779 for research to actually translate, like the 00:31:11.779 --> 00:31:17.519 process that we go through in identifying problems, 00:31:18.119 --> 00:31:20.700 finding solutions. I got to do a pilot study. 00:31:20.880 --> 00:31:23.299 Now I got to do a pilot study on the pilot study. 00:31:23.500 --> 00:31:25.680 Then I got to do one more pilot study for the 00:31:25.680 --> 00:31:29.380 pilot of the pilot. You know, it's just, it can 00:31:29.380 --> 00:31:32.849 take. Forever. And so when you think about the 00:31:32.849 --> 00:31:36.710 DNP, there's that piece of translating this back 00:31:36.710 --> 00:31:39.549 into the clinical space. You think about the 00:31:39.549 --> 00:31:42.589 fact that we do community engagement. The questions 00:31:42.589 --> 00:31:44.609 that we ask, I think, are different. Some of 00:31:44.609 --> 00:31:47.029 our approaches are different and they balance 00:31:47.029 --> 00:31:51.170 each other out to not sort of delay it as much 00:31:51.170 --> 00:31:54.529 as it typically is delayed. So this collaboration 00:31:54.529 --> 00:31:58.529 has been a very powerful partnership in that. 00:31:59.719 --> 00:32:02.099 And Naisha, you asked me something else, honey. 00:32:03.500 --> 00:32:06.299 Child, I will throw 10 questions at you at once. 00:32:06.319 --> 00:32:08.579 My audience knows that. I got to get better about 00:32:08.579 --> 00:32:10.500 that. But I think that you answered the essence 00:32:10.500 --> 00:32:13.259 of it, you know, in terms of how you balance 00:32:13.259 --> 00:32:16.900 each other out, how having the PhD and the DNP 00:32:16.900 --> 00:32:21.099 helps to translate the research faster into practice, 00:32:21.380 --> 00:32:24.500 right? Because what we know about any type of 00:32:24.500 --> 00:32:28.859 health equity research or efforts at all is that 00:32:28.859 --> 00:32:31.859 we need it now, right? We need it. yesterday. 00:32:32.759 --> 00:32:37.160 We need it tomorrow. And so just that alone is 00:32:37.160 --> 00:32:41.339 a major, major benefit to not just the research 00:32:41.339 --> 00:32:44.619 aspect, but to the community. And I think that 00:32:44.619 --> 00:32:47.000 that's something that's really important. Yeah. 00:32:47.059 --> 00:32:49.259 And I think the other thing is that in everything 00:32:49.259 --> 00:32:53.279 that we do, like my focus may be on community 00:32:53.279 --> 00:32:56.839 and the women, right? And so we have this nurse 00:32:56.839 --> 00:32:59.119 -led model of care that thinks about the community. 00:32:59.960 --> 00:33:02.900 the clinical piece as well, right? And so Reagan 00:33:02.900 --> 00:33:06.559 has that lens of what is happening right now 00:33:06.559 --> 00:33:09.420 in clinical practice that's going to impact this 00:33:09.420 --> 00:33:12.480 community, right? What's happening right now 00:33:12.480 --> 00:33:15.599 with providers that's also going to impact this 00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:18.900 because oftentimes we try to create things in 00:33:18.900 --> 00:33:22.200 this silo, right? Not realizing that there's 00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:24.740 a lived experience. There are really social determinants 00:33:24.740 --> 00:33:27.059 of health that impact. So I can create something. 00:33:27.690 --> 00:33:29.950 an intervention in the community, but that woman 00:33:29.950 --> 00:33:33.109 still has to go see her doctor, right? How do 00:33:33.109 --> 00:33:35.509 all of these things integrate? And I think that's 00:33:35.509 --> 00:33:39.509 the piece that I love about a PhD -DNP collab 00:33:39.509 --> 00:33:43.710 is that you're able to see it through the lenses 00:33:43.710 --> 00:33:47.369 of a real world experiences for the populations 00:33:47.369 --> 00:33:49.710 that you're working with. It's just amazing. 00:33:50.210 --> 00:33:55.930 Contact us for the blueprint, okay? I'm giving 00:33:55.930 --> 00:33:59.549 us all of our things. Nobody's going to give 00:33:59.549 --> 00:34:01.890 it to us. I'm going to give it to us. We have 00:34:01.890 --> 00:34:10.570 done this. Okay. I love it. Reagan, anything 00:34:10.570 --> 00:34:13.170 you want to add to this dynamic duo description, 00:34:13.389 --> 00:34:15.829 so to speak? Yeah, no, I think it's perfect. 00:34:15.989 --> 00:34:18.769 I do feel like we've been the blueprint. we've 00:34:18.769 --> 00:34:22.550 shown a successful template for how it can work 00:34:22.550 --> 00:34:25.610 and thinking about research practice and then 00:34:25.610 --> 00:34:28.929 also we've tied in education too like how do 00:34:28.929 --> 00:34:31.670 we prepare the next generation of nurses and 00:34:31.670 --> 00:34:34.389 nurse practitioners to be able to do what we're 00:34:34.389 --> 00:34:37.550 doing specifically but also to be able to think 00:34:37.550 --> 00:34:40.590 about how you address practice in a way that 00:34:40.590 --> 00:34:42.829 you come up with your own questions that solves 00:34:42.829 --> 00:34:46.099 tomorrow's problem that was Questions You Didn't 00:34:46.099 --> 00:34:49.980 Ask, hosted by me, Nyesha Frey. 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