WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.500 Hey y 'all, welcome to Questions You Didn't Ask. 00:00:02.839 --> 00:00:07.179 Did you know that this very spot could be showcasing 00:00:07.179 --> 00:00:10.320 your business or event? Whether it's an audio 00:00:10.320 --> 00:00:14.460 ad on our podcast, or a visual ad on our new 00:00:14.460 --> 00:00:18.100 YouTube station, or even both, we've got the 00:00:18.100 --> 00:00:21.620 space for you. Nyesha Frey Consulting is reaching 00:00:21.620 --> 00:00:24.420 a growing audience of over a thousand leaders 00:00:24.420 --> 00:00:27.839 who are passionate about health equity, social 00:00:27.839 --> 00:00:32.070 justice, and civil rights activism. These are 00:00:32.070 --> 00:00:35.329 professionals just like you working across higher 00:00:35.329 --> 00:00:40.409 education, research, healthcare, nonprofit, government, 00:00:40.590 --> 00:00:44.030 and even public health sectors. 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You were talking about 00:01:35.239 --> 00:01:38.939 how, you know, Black men and you in particular 00:01:38.939 --> 00:01:43.280 kind of get caught up in the suffering as normal 00:01:43.280 --> 00:01:47.879 and how being productive is what's more important 00:01:47.879 --> 00:01:50.500 than your health and your wellness. For sure. 00:01:50.700 --> 00:01:52.819 One of the things that I was hearing, too, that 00:01:52.819 --> 00:01:54.939 I've been hearing in our conversation are two 00:01:54.939 --> 00:02:01.620 things. The challenges of apathy, as well as 00:02:01.620 --> 00:02:07.840 the resistance to vulnerability. You know, I 00:02:07.840 --> 00:02:11.599 get very concerned about apathy in our community, 00:02:11.680 --> 00:02:14.139 in our society. But then when we think about 00:02:14.139 --> 00:02:22.199 health, wellness, sobriety, and our beloved Black 00:02:22.199 --> 00:02:27.009 men and brothers, sons. nephews, uncles, fathers. 00:02:27.490 --> 00:02:31.050 I'm concerned about that as well. When you think 00:02:31.050 --> 00:02:34.069 about the idea of people kind of giving up and 00:02:34.069 --> 00:02:38.349 being resigned to things being bad, especially 00:02:38.349 --> 00:02:44.330 among Black men, how does that impact health 00:02:44.330 --> 00:02:47.509 and wellness, the journey toward health and wellness? 00:02:48.729 --> 00:02:53.800 Well, I think a lot of our Black men are suffering 00:02:53.800 --> 00:02:56.620 unnecessarily, you know, in our own little silos 00:02:56.620 --> 00:03:00.719 doing our thing. Like I have a friend of mine 00:03:00.719 --> 00:03:05.719 and I feel for him. His health is deteriorating. 00:03:06.460 --> 00:03:10.180 And also whenever I try and help him, he doesn't 00:03:10.180 --> 00:03:12.180 want it. And that, I think that's so typical 00:03:12.180 --> 00:03:15.180 of us black men. He rejects it. He feels it. 00:03:15.180 --> 00:03:18.340 He rejects it flat out without even consideration 00:03:18.340 --> 00:03:22.300 of anything. No. don't need it and i think so 00:03:22.300 --> 00:03:26.439 many of us are out here like that and so and 00:03:26.439 --> 00:03:30.219 how does that come to be like how how do we arrive 00:03:30.219 --> 00:03:33.840 at this thing especially when we black men have 00:03:33.840 --> 00:03:39.139 so many um forces like fighting against us you 00:03:39.139 --> 00:03:41.680 know and then for us to have this disposition 00:03:41.680 --> 00:03:47.139 of you know i'm i'm gonna do this on my own you 00:03:47.139 --> 00:03:51.439 know how did we get here i don't know But I've 00:03:51.439 --> 00:03:55.620 jumped off that train. Now it's a thing of sharing 00:03:55.620 --> 00:03:59.620 feelings, understanding myself. So what I try 00:03:59.620 --> 00:04:02.659 and do for people is to show up and to say how 00:04:02.659 --> 00:04:07.360 I do it. That's the best I can do. Yeah. Yeah. 00:04:07.400 --> 00:04:10.620 Being an example, continuing to make yourself 00:04:10.620 --> 00:04:14.740 available, but not sacrificing yourself. Right. 00:04:15.240 --> 00:04:21.509 Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's key. I also 00:04:21.509 --> 00:04:25.009 heard, you know, in your discussion about putting 00:04:25.009 --> 00:04:29.750 work first, right, and then health of self and 00:04:29.750 --> 00:04:32.689 health of family and friends later. It also kind 00:04:32.689 --> 00:04:35.529 of spoke to that functional alcoholism, right? 00:04:35.629 --> 00:04:39.250 It also spoke to, you know, these capitalistic, 00:04:39.250 --> 00:04:42.430 you know, ideals around, well, at least you're 00:04:42.430 --> 00:04:45.800 working. At least you're making some money. At 00:04:45.800 --> 00:04:48.639 least you contributed to society. At least you're 00:04:48.639 --> 00:04:53.740 being a man. How does that resonate with you? 00:04:54.339 --> 00:04:59.699 Yes, also familiar. Yes, yes. Yeah, we've got 00:04:59.699 --> 00:05:04.879 to do better, men. There has to be a change. 00:05:06.000 --> 00:05:12.939 Yeah, I hear that. You know, a lot of people 00:05:12.939 --> 00:05:16.100 push back on this term of toxic masculinity because 00:05:16.100 --> 00:05:21.180 they feel that it's an attack on men. And really 00:05:21.180 --> 00:05:26.540 what it is, it's an attack on the ideal of what 00:05:26.540 --> 00:05:30.500 a man is supposed to be that is unhealthy for 00:05:30.500 --> 00:05:34.579 both the man himself and the people who love 00:05:34.579 --> 00:05:37.180 him and the community that he lives and resides 00:05:37.180 --> 00:05:42.350 in. The idea that a man is only valuable based 00:05:42.350 --> 00:05:46.889 on the work that he produces and that his self 00:05:46.889 --> 00:05:51.750 -worth is tied up in his work. I think you've 00:05:51.750 --> 00:05:55.949 given a good example of how that is toxic. Absolutely. 00:05:56.610 --> 00:05:59.470 Absolutely. And you were speaking of how this 00:05:59.470 --> 00:06:04.370 capitalism plays into the effect of our community. 00:06:04.569 --> 00:06:10.089 And even in terms of. Being a man in capitalism 00:06:10.089 --> 00:06:16.089 forces us to define our ways if we believe in 00:06:16.089 --> 00:06:19.490 that world, if that's where our mindset is. I 00:06:19.490 --> 00:06:23.589 was fortunate enough to go through rites of passage 00:06:23.589 --> 00:06:28.129 when I was in college, and that literally changed 00:06:28.129 --> 00:06:31.610 my life completely. Because what it was, for 00:06:31.610 --> 00:06:35.949 me, it was an introduction into traditions that 00:06:35.949 --> 00:06:40.610 weren't... under this capitalistic type of brainwashing 00:06:40.610 --> 00:06:45.290 or whatever. It was the teachings and learnings 00:06:45.290 --> 00:06:48.329 that we went through were more about community 00:06:48.329 --> 00:06:52.970 and tribal type of contributions and developing. 00:06:53.209 --> 00:06:57.470 It was at a point when I was coming of age as 00:06:57.470 --> 00:07:02.529 a man, so the timing was perfect. And then the 00:07:02.529 --> 00:07:04.430 principles that were instilled through that. 00:07:04.879 --> 00:07:08.560 experience was all about these positive things 00:07:08.560 --> 00:07:11.920 that we're talking about today. There was a journey 00:07:11.920 --> 00:07:15.600 inward through this rites of passage. They took 00:07:15.600 --> 00:07:19.699 us back and then they brought us forward. And 00:07:19.699 --> 00:07:24.459 we walked out of that situation as men. And I 00:07:24.459 --> 00:07:26.420 believe that there's something like that, that 00:07:26.420 --> 00:07:31.500 we need to have for our own youth coming of age, 00:07:31.680 --> 00:07:36.360 that I think it needs to be this thing that has 00:07:36.360 --> 00:07:39.899 a, that it needs to be a difficult thing in front 00:07:39.899 --> 00:07:42.639 of a group of young men coming of age and these 00:07:42.639 --> 00:07:45.000 guys going through it. There's something about 00:07:45.000 --> 00:07:49.480 doing that as a group that pulls people together, 00:07:49.579 --> 00:07:53.220 that builds community. Then also while we were 00:07:53.220 --> 00:07:57.720 out there, your undivided attention is on this 00:07:57.720 --> 00:08:00.899 whole process. we did it out in the forest the 00:08:00.899 --> 00:08:04.220 rites of passage you i don't think you can do 00:08:04.220 --> 00:08:07.379 it inside a city it needs to have that component 00:08:07.379 --> 00:08:11.120 of separation being away from all the things 00:08:11.120 --> 00:08:13.540 and then also the distractions that come along 00:08:13.540 --> 00:08:16.319 with the city aren't there but some sort of rites 00:08:16.319 --> 00:08:20.680 of passage for our youth where we can pass down 00:08:20.680 --> 00:08:24.689 information from generation older generations 00:08:24.689 --> 00:08:28.350 to younger generations to save them time. I believe 00:08:28.350 --> 00:08:30.610 that these young people, they're making the same 00:08:30.610 --> 00:08:34.710 mistakes that I did as a kid, where by having 00:08:34.710 --> 00:08:38.070 these moments where I could communicate with 00:08:38.070 --> 00:08:41.250 the younger generation and share with them things 00:08:41.250 --> 00:08:45.009 that will shorten that path of going through 00:08:45.009 --> 00:08:48.610 figuring stuff out. I'm also involved with a 00:08:48.610 --> 00:08:51.110 group of people in Cleveland that's working towards 00:08:52.030 --> 00:08:55.490 making that happen there with the men, not just 00:08:55.490 --> 00:08:57.990 in the community, but even with my own family. 00:08:58.009 --> 00:09:00.029 I've been working with the Rites of Passage. 00:09:00.070 --> 00:09:05.769 I'm working on our men, Reynolds and the Reynolds 00:09:05.769 --> 00:09:09.289 family, that we do this as a tradition, that 00:09:09.289 --> 00:09:12.370 every kid that's coming of age, that we have 00:09:12.370 --> 00:09:16.370 a thing for them to pass down information. If 00:09:16.370 --> 00:09:18.830 you're enjoying the show as much as we love creating 00:09:18.830 --> 00:09:22.460 it, consider showing your support. By buying 00:09:22.460 --> 00:09:27.480 us a cup of coffee, visit buymeacoffee .com slash 00:09:27.480 --> 00:09:35.179 Nyesha Frey O. 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Young folks are aggressive 00:10:20.289 --> 00:10:26.950 toward their elders or resist their elders. And 00:10:26.950 --> 00:10:29.409 so there's something going on in our community 00:10:29.409 --> 00:10:34.149 that we have to take hold of. And I think it 00:10:34.149 --> 00:10:36.250 relates back to what you were saying before about, 00:10:36.289 --> 00:10:39.350 you know, teaching our children and recognizing 00:10:39.350 --> 00:10:42.649 that our federal government, especially and in 00:10:42.649 --> 00:10:44.929 some cases, in a lot of cases, our state governments, 00:10:45.169 --> 00:10:48.539 our local governments, counties. are not doing 00:10:48.539 --> 00:10:51.860 the work that needs to be done to help prepare 00:10:51.860 --> 00:10:56.039 our children for the world and for life and living, 00:10:56.220 --> 00:10:58.840 right? And so there's preparing them for the 00:10:58.840 --> 00:11:00.860 world and then there's preparing them for life 00:11:00.860 --> 00:11:03.059 and living. Those are actually two different 00:11:03.059 --> 00:11:05.940 things. And being able to recognize those things 00:11:05.940 --> 00:11:09.200 and recognize that, yes, I'm a person who has 00:11:09.200 --> 00:11:13.480 come to understand that wisdom is not learned, 00:11:13.639 --> 00:11:19.299 it is earned. earned through experience. When 00:11:19.299 --> 00:11:22.139 your elders can give you and curate an experience 00:11:22.139 --> 00:11:25.919 that will help you, like you said, kind of fast 00:11:25.919 --> 00:11:29.820 track some of that wisdom, then hopefully your 00:11:29.820 --> 00:11:34.240 earning of that wisdom isn't so painful by the 00:11:34.240 --> 00:11:39.399 world, right? You know, there is an idea that, 00:11:39.419 --> 00:11:42.139 you know, when your parents discipline you, it 00:11:42.139 --> 00:11:47.750 might feel harsh. It may even feel painful, but 00:11:47.750 --> 00:11:49.929 your parents are going to discipline you in a 00:11:49.929 --> 00:11:55.110 way, prayerfully, that is a lot less painful 00:11:55.110 --> 00:11:57.789 and detrimental than what the world will do to 00:11:57.789 --> 00:12:00.830 you, right? And so the idea that your parents 00:12:00.830 --> 00:12:03.850 or your family or your village or your rites 00:12:03.850 --> 00:12:08.129 of passage can facilitate that growth experience, 00:12:08.649 --> 00:12:14.960 that that can be a lot less painful. Not necessarily 00:12:14.960 --> 00:12:17.080 to say that it won't be challenging. It should 00:12:17.080 --> 00:12:20.299 be challenging. But it'll be a lot less painful 00:12:20.299 --> 00:12:23.059 than what will happen when you have to learn 00:12:23.059 --> 00:12:26.580 through the world, right? Through what's out 00:12:26.580 --> 00:12:29.919 there waiting for you and has no love or compassion 00:12:29.919 --> 00:12:33.120 for you. And I think, you know, bringing in that 00:12:33.120 --> 00:12:38.460 natural environment to be in the world, but not 00:12:38.460 --> 00:12:42.970 of the world. Right. To understand your natural 00:12:42.970 --> 00:12:47.289 connection and those higher powers that you can 00:12:47.289 --> 00:12:51.149 tap into through wisdom and through skills that 00:12:51.149 --> 00:12:54.570 might help you to facilitate growing your own 00:12:54.570 --> 00:12:58.129 food, contributing to your community, investing 00:12:58.129 --> 00:13:02.129 in your own cultural and community and village 00:13:02.129 --> 00:13:05.210 economy, I think would be a lot more healthy. 00:13:07.269 --> 00:13:12.409 Yes, yes, yes. Wow. Right. One more thing about 00:13:12.409 --> 00:13:15.850 the rites of passage. So being out there in the 00:13:15.850 --> 00:13:19.990 forest, one, these kids, it gets their attention, 00:13:20.230 --> 00:13:22.669 especially at night, you know, because for a 00:13:22.669 --> 00:13:24.590 lot of these kids, this is their first time away 00:13:24.590 --> 00:13:28.970 from home without their mom. And so that big 00:13:28.970 --> 00:13:31.929 and bad tough cat that's in the city on the streets 00:13:31.929 --> 00:13:34.070 is different when we're out in the middle of 00:13:34.070 --> 00:13:38.850 the forest, right? Mommy. Right. and out there 00:13:38.850 --> 00:13:42.009 you have their undivided attention you know there's 00:13:42.009 --> 00:13:46.169 no signal so the cell phones are useless and 00:13:46.169 --> 00:13:49.090 there's a focus where you can't get otherwise 00:13:49.090 --> 00:13:53.350 and then also what goes on there is really it's 00:13:53.350 --> 00:13:57.850 an exploration in values it's where like in the 00:13:57.850 --> 00:14:00.330 city the kids are picking up these different 00:14:00.330 --> 00:14:03.769 values from a gazillion different places and 00:14:03.769 --> 00:14:07.980 all of them aren't always good But they're being 00:14:07.980 --> 00:14:09.899 out in the forest through this rites of passage. 00:14:10.159 --> 00:14:12.779 When we have their undivided attention, we can 00:14:12.779 --> 00:14:16.240 walk through these beliefs that they think they 00:14:16.240 --> 00:14:21.480 have and offer them real values. Like in terms 00:14:21.480 --> 00:14:23.700 of my family, like this is what Reynolds men 00:14:23.700 --> 00:14:27.860 do. And this is what Reynolds men don't do. We 00:14:27.860 --> 00:14:32.490 want to live a good life. So with having a setting 00:14:32.490 --> 00:14:34.529 like that, I think would make a huge difference, 00:14:34.750 --> 00:14:37.149 those rites of passage type of thing. We all 00:14:37.149 --> 00:14:41.330 go through rites of passages. It's just, for 00:14:41.330 --> 00:14:43.110 example, like when I went through Marine Corps, 00:14:43.190 --> 00:14:45.570 that's a rites of passage. When you go through 00:14:45.570 --> 00:14:48.350 college, it's a rites of passage. But I mean, 00:14:48.450 --> 00:14:51.629 so when I say rites of passage, I mean one that's 00:14:51.629 --> 00:14:54.389 deliberate, that's focused towards us as Black 00:14:54.389 --> 00:14:58.019 men. So we were talking about strategies and 00:14:58.019 --> 00:15:00.440 practices and things like that, especially related 00:15:00.440 --> 00:15:04.679 to wellness among Black men. And I know I remember 00:15:04.679 --> 00:15:07.059 from our previous conversations, you've really 00:15:07.059 --> 00:15:10.580 talked about the power of breath. Breath is life 00:15:10.580 --> 00:15:13.039 and breathing practices. Can you share more of 00:15:13.039 --> 00:15:17.620 that with our audience? Sure, sure. So I practice 00:15:17.620 --> 00:15:20.799 this routinely, breathing, taking a deep breath. 00:15:21.259 --> 00:15:24.379 The thing is, I know what normal feels like. 00:15:24.759 --> 00:15:29.559 And so I practice that when I feel myself not 00:15:29.559 --> 00:15:34.720 feeling normal, nervous, fearful, I have this 00:15:34.720 --> 00:15:38.559 thing with bridges or with any type of feeling. 00:15:39.679 --> 00:15:43.580 The first thing I do, I remind myself to do is 00:15:43.580 --> 00:15:47.659 to breathe. When we get in those situations where 00:15:47.659 --> 00:15:50.279 the anxiety level is through the roof or there's 00:15:50.279 --> 00:15:54.899 fear or anger, the first thing we do is we stop 00:15:54.899 --> 00:15:57.679 breathing. I think about that type of feeling 00:15:57.679 --> 00:16:01.159 coming on to me, and I remind myself to breathe. 00:16:01.440 --> 00:16:04.960 What that does is as soon as you stop breathing, 00:16:05.059 --> 00:16:07.759 it cuts off oxygen to the brain, and our decision 00:16:07.759 --> 00:16:11.340 -making is deteriorating each second that we 00:16:11.340 --> 00:16:14.620 don't. So breathing. what it does it's like this 00:16:14.620 --> 00:16:19.960 huge shot of of energy so whatever's in front 00:16:19.960 --> 00:16:23.899 of me i'm that breath uh is everything one it 00:16:23.899 --> 00:16:27.019 gives me a split second to think about things 00:16:27.019 --> 00:16:29.840 whatever it is in a more rational term with that 00:16:29.840 --> 00:16:33.460 shot of energy from the oxygen it's like okay 00:16:33.460 --> 00:16:38.559 well it's not really that bad and with just that 00:16:38.559 --> 00:16:43.419 instant to take me out of whatever that was, 00:16:43.559 --> 00:16:47.740 that's enough for me to talk myself back into 00:16:47.740 --> 00:16:50.899 something where I could deal with the situation 00:16:50.899 --> 00:16:54.659 better. But the breathing is the key. And then 00:16:54.659 --> 00:16:58.799 practicing so that in that moment, I remember 00:16:58.799 --> 00:17:05.279 to do that. Yeah. Breath is life. And it also 00:17:05.279 --> 00:17:09.630 helps us to think and get centered back. to where 00:17:09.630 --> 00:17:13.289 we are and being present and being present and 00:17:13.289 --> 00:17:16.049 mindful is key to our health and wellness, isn't 00:17:16.049 --> 00:17:22.450 it? Yes. Yes. Awesome. Thank you so much for 00:17:22.450 --> 00:17:24.650 sharing all that. You know, I think the last 00:17:24.650 --> 00:17:27.630 major question that I have for you and our discussion 00:17:27.630 --> 00:17:32.029 today will be how can people. connect with you 00:17:32.029 --> 00:17:34.170 how can people work with you how can people pour 00:17:34.170 --> 00:17:37.890 into um and experience these these amazing things 00:17:37.890 --> 00:17:40.769 that you you know you've been talking about good 00:17:40.769 --> 00:17:44.609 question so one i would ask everyone to google 00:17:44.609 --> 00:17:49.250 the fat cat if you google this that helps me 00:17:49.250 --> 00:17:52.829 because and then click on my site or my social 00:17:52.829 --> 00:17:57.049 network it tells the crawlers the the algorithms 00:17:57.049 --> 00:18:01.279 that the fat cat is This is important because 00:18:01.279 --> 00:18:03.720 a lot of people are clicking on this after they 00:18:03.720 --> 00:18:06.920 Google the fat cat. So just by doing that, that's 00:18:06.920 --> 00:18:11.740 one. And sharing, following on my social network. 00:18:12.059 --> 00:18:16.740 And again, if you search on Facebook, Instagram, 00:18:17.000 --> 00:18:20.099 Facebook is the fat cat. And on Instagram is 00:18:20.099 --> 00:18:23.759 the fat cat underscore life. I do my best to 00:18:23.759 --> 00:18:27.460 post this. often as I can. And basically I'm 00:18:27.460 --> 00:18:31.440 talking about where I'm at and how I eat, how 00:18:31.440 --> 00:18:35.180 I sleep, and just to kind of have you follow 00:18:35.180 --> 00:18:38.799 along with me on my trip. Commenting is always 00:18:38.799 --> 00:18:44.359 good, the engagement, but also sponsorship. And 00:18:44.359 --> 00:18:48.630 I'm also looking for to collaborate. with individuals 00:18:48.630 --> 00:18:52.049 if this uh sort of touches on what you're interested 00:18:52.049 --> 00:18:56.009 in please feel free to reach out to me you could 00:18:56.009 --> 00:18:59.609 uh on the contact page of the website you could 00:18:59.609 --> 00:19:02.390 always fill that out just put in your email and 00:19:02.390 --> 00:19:06.170 hey let's talk and um that's how we could do 00:19:06.170 --> 00:19:09.509 it but outside of that it's really you doing 00:19:09.509 --> 00:19:12.670 your own thing and sharing with with other people 00:19:12.670 --> 00:19:16.049 connecting with other people Great. Great. And 00:19:16.049 --> 00:19:18.069 just for those who might not have been able to 00:19:18.069 --> 00:19:21.269 see the awesome T -shirt that has his really 00:19:21.269 --> 00:19:26.670 cool logo on it. It is the T -H -E fat P -H -A 00:19:26.670 --> 00:19:31.349 -T, not the F -A -T, but the P -H -A -T. There 00:19:31.349 --> 00:19:35.690 goes another one. Cat, C -A -T. So you want to 00:19:35.690 --> 00:19:41.190 look up the fat cat. And that is our wonderful 00:19:41.190 --> 00:19:43.869 guest, wonderful and gracious guest, Charles 00:19:43.869 --> 00:19:48.450 Chambers. Thank you so much. Thank you for having 00:19:48.450 --> 00:19:51.890 me. I appreciate it. I really do. Yes, yes, yes. 00:19:51.990 --> 00:19:54.009 Well, we appreciate you and thank you for joining 00:19:54.009 --> 00:19:57.130 us. We'll be back with questions you didn't ask.