WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.500 Hey y 'all, welcome to Questions You Didn't Ask. 00:00:02.839 --> 00:00:07.179 Did you know that this very spot could be showcasing 00:00:07.179 --> 00:00:10.320 your business or event? Whether it's an audio 00:00:10.320 --> 00:00:14.460 ad on our podcast, or a visual ad on our new 00:00:14.460 --> 00:00:18.100 YouTube station, or even both, we've got the 00:00:18.100 --> 00:00:21.620 space for you. Nyesha Frey Consulting is reaching 00:00:21.620 --> 00:00:24.420 a growing audience of over a thousand leaders 00:00:24.420 --> 00:00:27.839 who are passionate about health equity, social 00:00:27.839 --> 00:00:32.070 justice, and civil rights activism. These are 00:00:32.070 --> 00:00:35.329 professionals just like you working across higher 00:00:35.329 --> 00:00:40.409 education, research, healthcare, nonprofit, government, 00:00:40.590 --> 00:00:44.030 and even public health sectors. 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One of the things 00:01:35.000 --> 00:01:37.340 that I brought up was, you know, acquiring land 00:01:37.340 --> 00:01:42.799 and thinking about innovative ways for us to 00:01:42.799 --> 00:01:48.519 have access to protect and preserve natural spaces 00:01:48.519 --> 00:01:51.739 to facilitate the growth and development of natural 00:01:51.739 --> 00:01:55.739 spaces. Have you seen or observed any of that 00:01:55.739 --> 00:01:58.829 type of action? action or activity, or even been 00:01:58.829 --> 00:02:02.629 interested in discovering how that can happen. 00:02:02.670 --> 00:02:04.689 What insights do you have about that, if any? 00:02:05.489 --> 00:02:10.069 Well, I could tell you this. Personally, I think 00:02:10.069 --> 00:02:14.490 that us as a group of people, Black people, I 00:02:14.490 --> 00:02:16.370 think this government is going to do what the 00:02:16.370 --> 00:02:19.050 government's going to do. I think there's a lot 00:02:19.050 --> 00:02:22.289 we could do for ourselves. And I basically boil 00:02:22.289 --> 00:02:26.479 it down to three things. And I think we... As 00:02:26.479 --> 00:02:29.199 a group of people, if we educate our own kids, 00:02:29.460 --> 00:02:33.020 we grow our own food, and we create our own economy. 00:02:33.159 --> 00:02:36.520 In other words, we support each other in our 00:02:36.520 --> 00:02:41.520 businesses, and we buy and sell to each other, 00:02:41.639 --> 00:02:45.900 energize our own economy. We educate our own 00:02:45.900 --> 00:02:49.979 kids. What this administration is doing, that's 00:02:49.979 --> 00:02:54.259 really leading us down that path. What we need 00:02:54.259 --> 00:02:59.139 to do is come together and figure out a way to 00:02:59.139 --> 00:03:02.580 educate our kids the way we would want them to 00:03:02.580 --> 00:03:04.699 be educated. I don't think that the school system 00:03:04.699 --> 00:03:08.020 that this government is going to put in front 00:03:08.020 --> 00:03:11.889 of our kids is... It's not working, and it's 00:03:11.889 --> 00:03:14.650 not serving us. Even before this administration, 00:03:15.229 --> 00:03:19.909 it's not okay the way that our schools are today. 00:03:20.030 --> 00:03:23.949 It's not, and I'm outraged about it. My kids 00:03:23.949 --> 00:03:29.229 are grown, but our future, we can't leave things 00:03:29.229 --> 00:03:32.490 the way that they are. So again, we educate our 00:03:32.490 --> 00:03:38.120 own kids, grow our own food, and that's... speaks 00:03:38.120 --> 00:03:41.699 about these green spaces. I think that's going 00:03:41.699 --> 00:03:43.960 to become critical in the future where you're 00:03:43.960 --> 00:03:48.300 having local food. But with those three things, 00:03:48.539 --> 00:03:51.259 I think everything else will fall into place. 00:03:51.860 --> 00:03:55.060 The ground of food would be interactions between 00:03:55.060 --> 00:04:00.400 different generations. Doing these things will 00:04:00.400 --> 00:04:04.020 automatically bring about the unity and community 00:04:04.020 --> 00:04:08.080 that we talk about. that we kick around. And 00:04:08.080 --> 00:04:10.699 it's not that complicated. If we just focus on 00:04:10.699 --> 00:04:14.979 the basics of what we need, those other complicated 00:04:14.979 --> 00:04:20.459 things will come together. So getting back to 00:04:20.459 --> 00:04:25.300 basics, in a sense, right? And I think you spoke 00:04:25.300 --> 00:04:27.819 to this, you know, that that means that community 00:04:27.819 --> 00:04:31.100 plays a large role in addressing these social 00:04:31.100 --> 00:04:33.079 determinants of health and promoting wellness 00:04:33.079 --> 00:04:38.000 that our government at least now and and to some 00:04:38.000 --> 00:04:41.199 extent before has not been successful in doing 00:04:41.199 --> 00:04:45.439 um to help preserve us right and they're not 00:04:45.439 --> 00:04:49.560 we're just not in their program right so we have 00:04:49.560 --> 00:04:53.019 to do it but i believe that well i wrote this 00:04:53.019 --> 00:04:55.120 poem it's called my piece i think that we all 00:04:55.120 --> 00:04:59.459 have a contribution towards our community and 00:04:59.459 --> 00:05:02.439 that i think a tragedy is when a person passes 00:05:02.439 --> 00:05:06.160 away before they contribute to the bigger pie 00:05:06.160 --> 00:05:10.180 of our community. But yes, when we're born, we 00:05:10.180 --> 00:05:14.579 have a, I don't want to say obligation, but to 00:05:14.579 --> 00:05:17.819 me, that's what life's about. You're born and 00:05:17.819 --> 00:05:22.699 then you play some piece in this big part of 00:05:22.699 --> 00:05:25.680 stuff that happens. Otherwise, you know, what 00:05:25.680 --> 00:05:31.220 are you here for? I'm hoping that I can expand 00:05:31.220 --> 00:05:35.959 my contribution. To me, that's part of the living 00:05:35.959 --> 00:05:40.199 part is contributing to our community. Is that 00:05:40.199 --> 00:05:43.639 a part of what made you choose life over death 00:05:43.639 --> 00:05:47.519 when it came down to addressing your addiction? 00:05:48.420 --> 00:05:53.779 Well, that was a part that played when I wasn't 00:05:53.779 --> 00:05:59.459 contributing. That was a red flag. So when I 00:05:59.459 --> 00:06:01.519 was in my addiction, it was like, you know, I 00:06:01.519 --> 00:06:04.139 was all out for self. I wasn't contributing. 00:06:04.939 --> 00:06:11.439 It was no good. So it played a part in that. 00:06:11.620 --> 00:06:16.240 But as I'm healing, the want to contribute more 00:06:16.240 --> 00:06:24.079 is there. And the community thing, I mean, it's 00:06:24.079 --> 00:06:28.920 being of service to people. is I think what spiritually, 00:06:29.120 --> 00:06:33.839 it helps keep me, me helping other people helps 00:06:33.839 --> 00:06:40.220 me. Yeah. That I have to give it away to keep 00:06:40.220 --> 00:06:46.420 it. That's deep. That we have to give it away 00:06:46.420 --> 00:06:50.319 in order to keep it. I love that. I love that. 00:06:51.680 --> 00:06:56.199 So as we're starting to like, come to this last 00:06:56.199 --> 00:06:58.939 phase of our discussion, one of the questions 00:06:58.939 --> 00:07:01.860 that I love to ask my guests, because this is 00:07:01.860 --> 00:07:04.839 questions you didn't ask, what are some questions 00:07:04.839 --> 00:07:08.920 I didn't ask but should have? I thought your 00:07:08.920 --> 00:07:14.339 questions were interesting. What I would like 00:07:14.339 --> 00:07:17.639 to add to this conversation is that the trip 00:07:17.639 --> 00:07:22.019 isn't just about going to different places or 00:07:22.019 --> 00:07:26.899 green spaces. It's the idea of tripping is really 00:07:26.899 --> 00:07:32.220 about people pushing the envelope on their lives, 00:07:32.379 --> 00:07:35.939 wherever they're at, whatever they're putting 00:07:35.939 --> 00:07:39.360 into their lives to propel themselves forward 00:07:39.360 --> 00:07:45.259 or to experience life. And it's in a way of being 00:07:45.259 --> 00:07:49.560 present. the people that are out there doing 00:07:49.560 --> 00:07:52.800 their thing i i would call that tripping um i'll 00:07:52.800 --> 00:07:55.439 give you an example i i just posted the other 00:07:55.439 --> 00:07:57.800 day it's a video of me doing stand -up comedy 00:07:57.800 --> 00:08:07.920 you're right um that to me that's the that describes 00:08:07.920 --> 00:08:11.560 the tripping what tripping is about because the 00:08:11.560 --> 00:08:14.839 thing is is that i don't like speaking in front 00:08:14.839 --> 00:08:20.279 of audiences and I am no way, I'm not a comedian. 00:08:21.040 --> 00:08:24.560 And so that was me stepping into it blindly to 00:08:24.560 --> 00:08:29.139 just showing up and doing what I could. To me, 00:08:29.160 --> 00:08:31.699 that's tripping people that are out there. And 00:08:31.699 --> 00:08:34.860 I believe there's people in all facets of life 00:08:34.860 --> 00:08:36.840 that you don't have to climb a mountain or be 00:08:36.840 --> 00:08:41.159 out in the forest to do this tripping thing. 00:08:41.279 --> 00:08:44.000 It's really wherever you're at, as long as you're... 00:08:44.399 --> 00:08:47.340 giving it your all, showing up and doing your 00:08:47.340 --> 00:08:51.679 thing. That's what the trip is hoping to foster. 00:08:51.879 --> 00:08:55.080 This whole thing, I always include a social component 00:08:55.080 --> 00:09:01.179 with the event because I'm trying to make space 00:09:01.179 --> 00:09:04.179 or create space to where these like -minded focus. 00:09:04.440 --> 00:09:10.620 People, we can share information and sort of 00:09:10.620 --> 00:09:17.220 a space where we can, collaborate, network, and 00:09:17.220 --> 00:09:22.820 come together to celebrate whatever it is that 00:09:22.820 --> 00:09:26.279 we're into and to help each other do our thing. 00:09:28.100 --> 00:09:31.259 I love it. Thank you for filling in that gap 00:09:31.259 --> 00:09:34.960 because it's very important for us to reflect 00:09:34.960 --> 00:09:38.879 on what are the things that needs to be said 00:09:38.879 --> 00:09:42.840 that hasn't been said. What questions do you 00:09:42.840 --> 00:09:46.470 want to audience to ask themselves after listening 00:09:46.470 --> 00:09:54.110 to this series? I had wrote something down, but 00:09:54.110 --> 00:09:58.429 I can't remember what the hell it was. Pick it 00:09:58.429 --> 00:10:04.429 up. Let's lean in. Right. Checking in with themselves 00:10:04.429 --> 00:10:09.370 was where I was trying to get at with that question. 00:10:09.730 --> 00:10:14.799 It wasn't until I started Checking myself, well, 00:10:14.799 --> 00:10:19.779 me checking myself is what helps keep me, helps 00:10:19.779 --> 00:10:24.620 guide me, that I have this conversation routinely. 00:10:25.100 --> 00:10:27.840 Often when I'm driving, it's a whole doggone 00:10:27.840 --> 00:10:33.019 conversation with myself in the Jeep. And so 00:10:33.019 --> 00:10:38.639 the question of is, I'm not quite sure how to 00:10:38.639 --> 00:10:43.279 phrase that. It would be questioning about your 00:10:43.279 --> 00:10:47.980 lifestyle, about yourself, checking in. Yeah. 00:10:48.279 --> 00:10:52.000 Yeah. Checking in with yourself. Take some time 00:10:52.000 --> 00:10:54.940 to have a nice conversation with yourself. This 00:10:54.940 --> 00:10:57.139 idea that talking to yourself means that you're 00:10:57.139 --> 00:11:02.500 crazy is crazy. Right. You definitely need to 00:11:02.500 --> 00:11:07.200 talk to yourself and take some time to really 00:11:07.200 --> 00:11:10.590 keep it real with yourself. about how are you 00:11:10.590 --> 00:11:15.409 really doing um and what is really going on and 00:11:15.409 --> 00:11:20.750 how to you know how am i living you know and 00:11:20.750 --> 00:11:24.690 how can i live better so so that's one of the 00:11:24.690 --> 00:11:27.289 big questions that we can ask our audience to 00:11:27.289 --> 00:11:31.629 ask themselves now that we're that we're kind 00:11:31.629 --> 00:11:34.990 of getting into these you know i love the fact 00:11:34.990 --> 00:11:36.710 that you were talking about how important it 00:11:36.710 --> 00:11:40.220 is to build community in these set trips, right? 00:11:40.379 --> 00:11:43.679 And have a social aspect to it. Not only is it 00:11:43.679 --> 00:11:48.120 an individual challenge and opportunity for self 00:11:48.120 --> 00:11:50.960 -discovery, but also an opportunity to bond and 00:11:50.960 --> 00:11:53.379 connect socially with other like -minded people. 00:11:53.519 --> 00:11:57.799 When you're thinking about what keeps you motivated, 00:11:58.120 --> 00:12:02.960 who are the people, organizations, or books that 00:12:02.960 --> 00:12:05.500 have inspired your journey and your work so far? 00:12:08.579 --> 00:12:12.360 No, that's a good question. And actually, there's 00:12:12.360 --> 00:12:16.220 a whole gambit of people that I draw from routinely. 00:12:17.039 --> 00:12:21.019 Because a lot of them are family members, my 00:12:21.019 --> 00:12:27.360 uncles, cousins, my grandmother. I draw from 00:12:27.360 --> 00:12:30.919 them a lot because I know them well. And so I 00:12:30.919 --> 00:12:34.659 show up in my day as some of them in different 00:12:34.659 --> 00:12:41.759 situations. I could hear their voices, my grandmother. 00:12:42.159 --> 00:12:47.500 And I borrow from their personalities. My cousin 00:12:47.500 --> 00:12:51.820 just passed away. He was a CEO type, dressed 00:12:51.820 --> 00:12:54.740 very dapper, and he was real formal. He could 00:12:54.740 --> 00:12:58.929 speak really well. And in fact, at the family 00:12:58.929 --> 00:13:01.370 gatherings, he would be the one that would be 00:13:01.370 --> 00:13:05.309 out in front. And so when I do stuff like this 00:13:05.309 --> 00:13:07.549 where I have to speak in audience, I'm standing 00:13:07.549 --> 00:13:12.090 in there as Cedric. And borrowing from these 00:13:12.090 --> 00:13:17.350 people has everything to do with who I am. And 00:13:17.350 --> 00:13:21.669 not just family members, but there's John Coltrane. 00:13:21.809 --> 00:13:24.809 So John Coltrane, he's my Henry I. I love his 00:13:24.809 --> 00:13:31.289 music. And two, he kicked heroin. Back then, 00:13:31.309 --> 00:13:35.690 everyone was doing it. It was a thing. And the 00:13:35.690 --> 00:13:39.129 thing about that is that he wrote his most popular 00:13:39.129 --> 00:13:43.190 piece after he stopped doing drugs. So there's 00:13:43.190 --> 00:13:45.529 this conversation that artists have, you know, 00:13:45.549 --> 00:13:49.529 wondering that some people say that like smoking 00:13:49.529 --> 00:13:53.690 weed helps the creativity in terms of. doing 00:13:53.690 --> 00:13:56.889 stuff so i'll often ask uh artists you know what 00:13:56.889 --> 00:13:59.509 do they think about this whole thing of of using 00:13:59.509 --> 00:14:04.110 drugs to you know help with creativity and of 00:14:04.110 --> 00:14:06.649 course i get a gambit of different responses 00:14:06.649 --> 00:14:09.409 but my take on it is that it's an artificial 00:14:09.409 --> 00:14:13.269 thing and i don't think it contributes to it 00:14:13.269 --> 00:14:17.730 to creativity it's a very narrow window because 00:14:17.730 --> 00:14:21.330 if you smoke too much then you forget what you 00:14:21.330 --> 00:14:25.070 had the date night before or whatever you had, 00:14:25.169 --> 00:14:29.009 whatever I had would be incoherent. I wouldn't 00:14:29.009 --> 00:14:31.909 be able to use it. It would seem beautiful at 00:14:31.909 --> 00:14:36.330 the moment, but in terms of it being real creativity, 00:14:36.490 --> 00:14:41.769 not so much. It's a fleeting thing to try and 00:14:41.769 --> 00:14:44.850 capture, to use drugs to help with creativity. 00:14:45.759 --> 00:14:48.100 I wasn't able to figure it out. And I spent a 00:14:48.100 --> 00:14:56.940 lot of time. And so it was inspiring to learn 00:14:56.940 --> 00:15:00.340 that John Coltrane, even after he stopped doing 00:15:00.340 --> 00:15:05.539 drugs and he went on this journey of discovering 00:15:05.539 --> 00:15:11.100 life itself, the reality of it. And on top of 00:15:11.100 --> 00:15:13.159 that, to write his best piece, Love Supreme, 00:15:13.500 --> 00:15:17.659 which. It's a beautiful piece. No one will even 00:15:17.659 --> 00:15:22.759 remake that thing. It's pretty much his. And 00:15:22.759 --> 00:15:27.700 so it says to me that argument of using drugs, 00:15:27.899 --> 00:15:32.100 that artificial component to sustain this creativity 00:15:32.100 --> 00:15:37.960 just doesn't, I don't think it works. If you're 00:15:37.960 --> 00:15:40.220 enjoying the show as much as we love creating 00:15:40.220 --> 00:15:43.860 it, consider showing your support. By buying 00:15:43.860 --> 00:15:48.879 us a cup of coffee, visit buymeacoffee .com slash 00:15:48.879 --> 00:15:56.559 Nyesha Frey O. That's buymeacoffee .com forward 00:15:56.559 --> 00:16:02.259 slash Nyesha Frey O. All one word. Each cup is 00:16:02.259 --> 00:16:06.100 just $5 and every single one helps us continue 00:16:06.100 --> 00:16:09.700 to produce, develop, and sustain the high quality 00:16:09.700 --> 00:16:12.850 content. you've come to expect from questions 00:16:12.850 --> 00:16:15.690 you didn't ask. Thank you for your continued 00:16:15.690 --> 00:16:18.309 support and let's keep the conversation going. 00:16:19.350 --> 00:16:23.629 I love that. Thank you for sharing that. I did 00:16:23.629 --> 00:16:28.070 not know that about our beloved Coltrane and 00:16:28.070 --> 00:16:35.019 Love Supreme and how that story, that man. has 00:16:35.019 --> 00:16:38.519 been a facilitator in your wellness journey, 00:16:38.679 --> 00:16:43.019 in your health journey, and in your journey to 00:16:43.019 --> 00:16:46.159 maintain your sobriety. And then also there's 00:16:46.159 --> 00:16:49.000 tons more. There's people that told me, hey, 00:16:49.159 --> 00:16:52.059 that's not cool what you're doing. There's a 00:16:52.059 --> 00:16:57.419 gazillion. That's what I learned is that I need 00:16:57.419 --> 00:17:01.629 to connect with people in order to... to sustain 00:17:01.629 --> 00:17:04.430 my sobriety. I didn't think people were important 00:17:04.430 --> 00:17:06.849 when I was in my addiction, but I think that's 00:17:06.849 --> 00:17:11.069 my addiction was telling me that. I think connections 00:17:11.069 --> 00:17:17.769 with human beings is everything. That's awesome. 00:17:19.690 --> 00:17:22.630 Are there any other organizations that inspired 00:17:22.630 --> 00:17:25.650 you or even assisted you along your way in your 00:17:25.650 --> 00:17:27.970 entrepreneurship with developing Set Trippin 00:17:27.970 --> 00:17:32.490 or helping to facilitate your success or just 00:17:32.490 --> 00:17:37.190 give you that eureka moment of innovation? It's 00:17:37.190 --> 00:17:42.950 still early on. I've been at the table with the 00:17:42.950 --> 00:17:45.829 Adams Board. The Adams Board provide funding 00:17:45.829 --> 00:17:48.670 for these agencies that deal with mental illness. 00:17:48.849 --> 00:17:51.670 And so they've been interested in my story and 00:17:51.670 --> 00:17:54.849 we'll see where that leads. But I'm optimistic 00:17:54.849 --> 00:17:58.170 that I'm looking forward to whatever relationship 00:17:58.170 --> 00:18:02.349 we can work out. Awesome. And if this platform 00:18:02.349 --> 00:18:05.069 can help build that relationship even stronger, 00:18:05.250 --> 00:18:09.869 please use it. Adams Board, I'm here to support 00:18:09.869 --> 00:18:13.369 Charles Chambers and the work that he's doing 00:18:13.369 --> 00:18:16.609 with set tripping and his other endeavors. And 00:18:16.609 --> 00:18:18.769 looking forward to you being able to connect 00:18:18.769 --> 00:18:21.670 with other organizations that can also help to 00:18:21.670 --> 00:18:25.329 further deepen this work and help to make it 00:18:25.329 --> 00:18:27.769 even more impactful for those people who are 00:18:27.769 --> 00:18:31.650 interested in taking these journeys with you. 00:18:31.990 --> 00:18:36.900 Yes, absolutely. Thank you. Yes, you're welcome. 00:18:37.119 --> 00:18:42.880 So are there any key solutions or practices that 00:18:42.880 --> 00:18:45.819 you believe are essential for improving mental 00:18:45.819 --> 00:18:49.680 health and wellness, especially among black men? 00:18:50.440 --> 00:18:53.579 I'd like to point out what I was talking about 00:18:53.579 --> 00:18:57.779 in the beginning about me asking for help. That 00:18:57.779 --> 00:19:02.259 I think a lot of us out here, it's like that 00:19:02.259 --> 00:19:05.599 was difficult for me to do. Matt? physically 00:19:05.599 --> 00:19:08.799 to say hey can you help me but um in my mind 00:19:08.799 --> 00:19:13.380 it was a whole thing that i had to go through 00:19:13.380 --> 00:19:16.900 that much suffering to say hey can you help me 00:19:16.900 --> 00:19:22.460 um that i think we i think i prided myself off 00:19:22.460 --> 00:19:25.359 of the suffering being in that you know i wasn't 00:19:25.359 --> 00:19:27.299 considering his suffering but it was like uh 00:19:27.299 --> 00:19:30.000 just accepting now it's just like this is the 00:19:30.000 --> 00:19:32.519 way it is you know suck it up do it you know 00:19:32.519 --> 00:19:36.269 maybe in the marine it it and then also i have 00:19:36.269 --> 00:19:40.329 a high threshold for pain so being in a funky 00:19:40.329 --> 00:19:44.569 situation i can endure it i can outlast this 00:19:44.569 --> 00:19:48.849 and even with going to the doctor like when i 00:19:48.849 --> 00:19:51.589 was in my addiction that wasn't the emergency 00:19:51.589 --> 00:19:56.059 room was my Doctor visits, you know, unless my 00:19:56.059 --> 00:19:58.299 arm was hanging off, I was going to be okay. 00:19:58.460 --> 00:20:01.400 I'm all right. Right. And all the people in my 00:20:01.400 --> 00:20:04.559 life say, oh, you should go to the doctor. It's 00:20:04.559 --> 00:20:06.980 all right. I'm all right. What are you talking 00:20:06.980 --> 00:20:10.079 about? But yes, we need to listen to our bodies. 00:20:10.099 --> 00:20:11.859 That's another thing. Oh, my goodness. Since 00:20:11.859 --> 00:20:14.480 I've sobered up, now I'm hearing all this noise 00:20:14.480 --> 00:20:17.819 inside my mind and my body where I used to ignore. 00:20:18.200 --> 00:20:24.359 I didn't know the different levels of. I'm starting 00:20:24.359 --> 00:20:29.500 to attach names to be able to organize how I 00:20:29.500 --> 00:20:34.019 feel inside. Before an addiction, it was just 00:20:34.019 --> 00:20:38.640 three things. Pissed off, normal, and happy, 00:20:38.779 --> 00:20:41.799 giddy. Those are all three emotions that I could 00:20:41.799 --> 00:20:47.519 identify with. In this road to recovery, it's 00:20:47.519 --> 00:20:50.519 really about me listening to myself. I'm starting 00:20:50.519 --> 00:20:53.420 to learn. to identify what that feeling is when 00:20:53.420 --> 00:20:57.640 i say i'm i'm feeling anxiety these check -ins 00:20:57.640 --> 00:21:01.559 that i do with myself help me organize all of 00:21:01.559 --> 00:21:04.339 this complicated stuff that's going on inside 00:21:04.339 --> 00:21:06.920 of me and that's what the journaling does also 00:21:06.920 --> 00:21:10.599 it gives me a chance to sort of sort those out 00:21:10.599 --> 00:21:14.000 that's important for me because it's it helps 00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:17.509 break down these complicated feelings or notions 00:21:17.509 --> 00:21:20.470 I have in my head and really break them down 00:21:20.470 --> 00:21:23.789 to something that makes it palatable that I can 00:21:23.789 --> 00:21:28.849 deal with and take action on and even so the 00:21:28.849 --> 00:21:31.349 first part to any problem is recognizing that 00:21:31.349 --> 00:21:36.549 there is and then being able to respond to it 00:21:36.549 --> 00:21:42.690 but yes for black men one for us to this thing 00:21:42.690 --> 00:21:48.789 of living and suffering We've got to let that 00:21:48.789 --> 00:21:52.789 go and ask for help to be vulnerable at times. 00:21:52.829 --> 00:22:02.109 That is not a bad thing. I'm not sure what to 00:22:02.109 --> 00:22:06.390 do about that. I share my story of me asking 00:22:06.390 --> 00:22:12.180 for help. And not just that, I practice. not 00:22:12.180 --> 00:22:15.099 just with the quit drinking but even with working 00:22:15.099 --> 00:22:18.160 i i would i would always try and accommodate 00:22:18.160 --> 00:22:21.660 what was in front of me and in my today world 00:22:21.660 --> 00:22:25.559 it's well let me back up i used to put my work 00:22:25.559 --> 00:22:29.660 first and then i'll take care of later and i 00:22:29.660 --> 00:22:34.200 pride myself off of getting my work done at the 00:22:34.200 --> 00:22:38.200 expense of everything my family my kids me And 00:22:38.200 --> 00:22:41.000 it was easy to, I think I did that because it 00:22:41.000 --> 00:22:43.700 was easier to do the work than it would be to 00:22:43.700 --> 00:22:46.960 show up and take care of myself and my family. 00:22:47.660 --> 00:22:51.279 And so today I've switched that all the way around. 00:22:51.640 --> 00:22:55.220 Now I take care of Charles and my family and 00:22:55.220 --> 00:22:58.640 then work is secondary. That's a wrap on this 00:22:58.640 --> 00:23:01.630 episode of Questions You Didn't Ask. I'm Naisha 00:23:01.630 --> 00:23:03.730 Frey, and it's been a privilege to speak with 00:23:03.730 --> 00:23:06.809 Charles Chambers, founder of Set Trippin' Outdoor 00:23:06.809 --> 00:23:09.910 Adventures. His reflections on freedom, recovery, 00:23:10.190 --> 00:23:13.289 and reclaiming space set the stage for what's 00:23:13.289 --> 00:23:16.569 ahead. Join me next time as Trippin' Black Men, 00:23:16.809 --> 00:23:19.109 Land, and Liberation continues.