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Yeah, that was the 00:01:34.640 --> 00:01:37.760 part that hurt, right? The reason why it hurt 00:01:37.760 --> 00:01:43.620 was because at the time, and I'm not sure why 00:01:43.620 --> 00:01:50.879 he felt the need to denigrate Native Americans 00:01:50.879 --> 00:01:54.579 beyond it being a political maneuver, right? 00:01:55.150 --> 00:01:59.909 that could potentially benefit African -American 00:01:59.909 --> 00:02:03.810 people, Black people. And that it was a similar 00:02:03.810 --> 00:02:08.069 calculation that Native American people took 00:02:08.069 --> 00:02:11.930 as it related to, is it better for us to align 00:02:11.930 --> 00:02:14.110 ourselves with more Black people or for us to 00:02:14.110 --> 00:02:16.870 align ourselves with more white people, right? 00:02:16.969 --> 00:02:21.330 And so from that is why I say we realize that 00:02:21.330 --> 00:02:25.460 Frederick Douglass up on our pedestal. of being 00:02:25.460 --> 00:02:30.800 an amazing abolitionist, orator, freedom fighter 00:02:30.800 --> 00:02:34.819 for the rights and lives and dignity of Black 00:02:34.819 --> 00:02:38.240 people, reveals himself to be human in that he's 00:02:38.240 --> 00:02:46.060 making calculated moves to position Black people 00:02:46.060 --> 00:02:49.719 politically above Native American people. And 00:02:49.719 --> 00:02:53.960 because hindsight is 20 -20. we can now reflect 00:02:53.960 --> 00:02:58.819 on, was that the right calculation? And I'm not 00:02:58.819 --> 00:03:02.199 asking you to answer that question because that 00:03:02.199 --> 00:03:06.259 would require a magic ball, right? A crystal 00:03:06.259 --> 00:03:11.460 ball, right? Which I don't have. And I'm assuming 00:03:11.460 --> 00:03:14.780 you don't. But what we can do is think about 00:03:14.780 --> 00:03:18.879 broader solidarity and future action. We can 00:03:18.879 --> 00:03:22.069 learn. from what has happened in the past in 00:03:22.069 --> 00:03:26.870 that what we see with Tulsa, what we see in the 00:03:26.870 --> 00:03:30.909 evidence of what has happened with the five tribes 00:03:30.909 --> 00:03:36.349 and their tribal nations and their land and how 00:03:36.349 --> 00:03:39.229 different Native American peoples have been put 00:03:39.229 --> 00:03:45.469 onto limited reservations and cut off from so 00:03:45.469 --> 00:03:48.780 many. opportunities to advance their communities 00:03:48.780 --> 00:03:52.379 and realize and advance things like health equity, 00:03:52.539 --> 00:03:54.840 right? Is that we can look back and see that 00:03:54.840 --> 00:03:57.319 calculation didn't actually work out for either 00:03:57.319 --> 00:04:01.840 one of us. It didn't work out. So how do the 00:04:01.840 --> 00:04:05.759 struggles and histories of Black, Native, and 00:04:05.759 --> 00:04:07.780 I'm even going to throw in their Latino communities 00:04:07.780 --> 00:04:10.379 because I see some overlap and it also kind of 00:04:10.379 --> 00:04:14.639 relates to another series that I did with one 00:04:14.639 --> 00:04:19.220 of my colleagues who happens to be Latino, how 00:04:19.220 --> 00:04:21.939 does this intersect? Because we have these minority 00:04:21.939 --> 00:04:26.439 communities that they have to make that calculated 00:04:26.439 --> 00:04:30.819 political alignment. And what we keep seeing 00:04:30.819 --> 00:04:34.439 and finding is that, especially in real time, 00:04:34.540 --> 00:04:36.939 it's not necessarily working out on their behalf 00:04:36.939 --> 00:04:41.759 as we're seeing all these, you know, really destructive 00:04:41.759 --> 00:04:46.420 and traumatizing deportations of our Latino brothers 00:04:46.420 --> 00:04:49.220 and sisters, whether they feel like we're brothers 00:04:49.220 --> 00:04:52.720 and sisters or not. They are being treated like 00:04:52.720 --> 00:04:55.000 they were our brothers and sisters in the sense 00:04:55.000 --> 00:04:57.800 of their humanity being denigrated. So when we 00:04:57.800 --> 00:05:01.420 think about that, do you see how our histories, 00:05:01.500 --> 00:05:05.959 our struggles can help us move forward where 00:05:05.959 --> 00:05:08.160 there could potentially be some cross -community 00:05:08.160 --> 00:05:11.060 solidarity? Well, I mean, unfortunately, this 00:05:11.060 --> 00:05:13.540 is the perfect moment to see kind of, as you 00:05:13.540 --> 00:05:16.620 mentioned, that we have to have that solidarity 00:05:16.620 --> 00:05:19.259 or else we're all going to be kind of equally 00:05:19.259 --> 00:05:23.660 hurt. Yeah, I mean, you have part of the very 00:05:23.660 --> 00:05:26.420 diverse and broad Latino community voting for 00:05:26.420 --> 00:05:30.160 Trump. You have a number of Lumbees in North 00:05:30.160 --> 00:05:32.240 Carolina voting for Trump. I think a lot of people. 00:05:33.040 --> 00:05:35.660 see Native Americans as progressive and Democrat 00:05:35.660 --> 00:05:37.759 voters, and that's not necessarily the case, 00:05:37.939 --> 00:05:40.279 because a lot of them are rural and conservative. 00:05:40.680 --> 00:05:45.879 So the moment we're in, I think, when we're seeing 00:05:45.879 --> 00:05:49.899 all non -white histories, you know, deleted off 00:05:49.899 --> 00:05:54.300 web pages and programs meant to help, you know, 00:05:54.300 --> 00:05:57.019 in the public health space or in the sciences, 00:05:57.100 --> 00:05:59.519 anything focusing on anyone who's not white, 00:05:59.600 --> 00:06:02.600 you know, there goes your money. We're all in 00:06:02.600 --> 00:06:07.139 the same boat. Yes. So kind of when I am I'm 00:06:07.139 --> 00:06:08.860 working on a project right now, my second book, 00:06:08.959 --> 00:06:12.579 looking at this kind of more modern day moment, 00:06:12.680 --> 00:06:19.360 basically where people are now more kind of aware 00:06:19.360 --> 00:06:22.819 of or understanding these histories. And really, 00:06:22.920 --> 00:06:25.279 I'm asking this question, like, how can we bring 00:06:25.279 --> 00:06:27.959 these to bear on what we're going through today? 00:06:28.019 --> 00:06:30.949 How can we kind of help? the Chickasaw Nation 00:06:30.949 --> 00:06:32.990 and the Choctaw Nation and really all of these 00:06:32.990 --> 00:06:36.329 nations to understand, acknowledging your history 00:06:36.329 --> 00:06:40.370 is not a weakness because actually you would 00:06:40.370 --> 00:06:41.769 look far better than the United States right 00:06:41.769 --> 00:06:45.069 now, right? Kind of acknowledging that, but then 00:06:45.069 --> 00:06:48.870 also doing more to include Black people and include 00:06:48.870 --> 00:06:52.649 other people who are vulnerable because you actually 00:06:52.649 --> 00:06:54.670 right now, you have these safe spaces like the 00:06:54.670 --> 00:06:57.189 state governments and even the federal government 00:06:57.189 --> 00:07:00.180 to an extent. cannot do certain things to tribal 00:07:00.180 --> 00:07:02.740 citizens who are on tribal land. And so actually 00:07:02.740 --> 00:07:05.279 there's an opportunity for these to be spaces 00:07:05.279 --> 00:07:07.819 that can be more progressive no matter where 00:07:07.819 --> 00:07:10.579 they are because of that special nation to nation 00:07:10.579 --> 00:07:12.759 relationship Indian nations have with the United 00:07:12.759 --> 00:07:16.180 States. So it's getting to see people, like it's 00:07:16.180 --> 00:07:20.600 getting people to see where we are and how we 00:07:20.600 --> 00:07:22.939 can help one another instead of continuing to 00:07:22.939 --> 00:07:26.000 let ourselves be divided by this. ideology that 00:07:26.000 --> 00:07:29.060 is not going to save us, clearly. Clearly, it 00:07:29.060 --> 00:07:32.959 is not going to save us, hasn't saved us, and 00:07:32.959 --> 00:07:38.100 continues to hurt, harm, put us in danger, and 00:07:38.100 --> 00:07:42.000 ultimately kill us. As you mentioned, what's 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:44.579 happening with the public health infrastructure 00:07:44.579 --> 00:07:49.220 and governmental agencies and institutions is 00:07:49.220 --> 00:07:54.269 a dismantling of an opportunity for us to continue 00:07:54.269 --> 00:07:58.389 to be leaders in health, health care, health 00:07:58.389 --> 00:08:01.829 innovation, health technology, leaders in health 00:08:01.829 --> 00:08:05.829 equity for the world. That's what we are, you 00:08:05.829 --> 00:08:09.209 know, regardless of how expensive it is. People 00:08:09.209 --> 00:08:12.990 look to America for good reason, for leading 00:08:12.990 --> 00:08:17.069 the way in terms of health innovation. and providing 00:08:17.069 --> 00:08:20.569 the example of how to be inclusive, how to be 00:08:20.569 --> 00:08:25.009 diverse, how to reach target populations, various 00:08:25.009 --> 00:08:29.209 diverse target populations. And so the very specific 00:08:29.209 --> 00:08:34.590 targeted approach to dismantle that is, to me, 00:08:34.750 --> 00:08:39.509 an act of terrorism and murder. Because what 00:08:39.509 --> 00:08:44.210 we will see is that by taking resources away, 00:08:44.809 --> 00:08:47.990 from marginalized communities, Black, Native, 00:08:48.309 --> 00:08:51.830 Latino communities from the federal government. 00:08:52.149 --> 00:08:56.269 And even though we have Native nations, Indian 00:08:56.269 --> 00:09:00.769 nations, they do benefit from federal grants 00:09:00.769 --> 00:09:04.450 to study the health and well -being, as well 00:09:04.450 --> 00:09:06.889 as to serve the health and well -being needs 00:09:06.889 --> 00:09:09.769 of their communities. And so when that spigot 00:09:09.769 --> 00:09:14.679 is cut off, what we are signing up for. is less 00:09:14.679 --> 00:09:19.899 resources to maintain or improve or save the 00:09:19.899 --> 00:09:23.860 lives of our loved ones. And so that is the reason 00:09:23.860 --> 00:09:27.620 why I make the bold statement that this is a 00:09:27.620 --> 00:09:35.039 murderous policy and agenda to try to further 00:09:35.039 --> 00:09:38.899 deepen these health disparities. And as I mentioned 00:09:38.899 --> 00:09:42.559 earlier, these are real lives. These are real 00:09:42.559 --> 00:09:46.460 communities. As I've shared on my podcast before, 00:09:46.580 --> 00:09:50.740 how they impact me and my family on a daily basis 00:09:50.740 --> 00:09:55.480 and why that informs me and the work that I do 00:09:55.480 --> 00:09:58.460 and motivates me to keep moving forward. And 00:09:58.460 --> 00:10:01.879 so given your expertise and when we think about, 00:10:02.059 --> 00:10:03.820 you know, one of the things that I also think 00:10:03.820 --> 00:10:08.220 about is how a lot of our elected officials have 00:10:08.220 --> 00:10:11.659 let us down, are letting us down, right? They 00:10:11.659 --> 00:10:16.019 have a really tough job. It was hard before January 00:10:16.019 --> 00:10:20.919 20th, 2025. And it has just gotten harder. So 00:10:20.919 --> 00:10:23.440 I do want to give that balance to the equation. 00:10:23.799 --> 00:10:27.960 But for a lot of us, we see that they are letting 00:10:27.960 --> 00:10:29.820 us down. And not only our elected officials, 00:10:30.059 --> 00:10:33.500 but our business owners, our corporations, our 00:10:33.500 --> 00:10:37.080 private philanthropic organizations, even our 00:10:37.080 --> 00:10:39.500 professional organizations, they are letting 00:10:39.500 --> 00:10:43.909 us down. So what we're also tasked with then 00:10:43.909 --> 00:10:47.909 is that if these people who claim to be our quote 00:10:47.909 --> 00:10:52.009 unquote leaders are leaving us high and dry to 00:10:52.009 --> 00:10:57.009 allow this 47th executive administration to plow 00:10:57.009 --> 00:11:01.929 us down in real time, take our jobs, take our 00:11:01.929 --> 00:11:04.990 resources, take our health care. then what can 00:11:04.990 --> 00:11:07.710 we as individuals do? If the leaders won't lead, 00:11:07.889 --> 00:11:11.789 what can we do? So when we think about your expertise 00:11:11.789 --> 00:11:16.190 and kind of the angle at which you look at and 00:11:16.190 --> 00:11:21.330 analyze our history and our current state, what 00:11:21.330 --> 00:11:25.409 action should everyday people, potentially scholars, 00:11:25.490 --> 00:11:29.090 who are probably reeling, I know they are because 00:11:29.090 --> 00:11:31.750 I work with them, from all of these pullbacks 00:11:31.750 --> 00:11:35.100 and restraints? Those policymakers that might 00:11:35.100 --> 00:11:38.340 be young in the process or potentially yearning 00:11:38.340 --> 00:11:42.940 to make a stronger impact. What can we do to 00:11:42.940 --> 00:11:47.179 amplify these hidden histories so that we can 00:11:47.179 --> 00:11:50.779 be better informed to advocate for justice? What 00:11:50.779 --> 00:11:52.379 are some of the things that you can imagine we 00:11:52.379 --> 00:11:55.379 can do? I mean, I've been asking myself that 00:11:55.379 --> 00:12:01.759 question and I. I've been. doing little things 00:12:01.759 --> 00:12:05.059 like i uh what is it called five there's this 00:12:05.059 --> 00:12:09.080 website called fivecalls .org where you can you 00:12:09.080 --> 00:12:11.080 put in your address and then it tells you who 00:12:11.080 --> 00:12:12.960 your representatives if you don't know and like 00:12:12.960 --> 00:12:15.299 uh how to contact your congress people and your 00:12:15.299 --> 00:12:17.960 senators and so whenever there is an issue which 00:12:17.960 --> 00:12:20.259 there always is every day often multiple issues 00:12:20.259 --> 00:12:22.220 like i call those people and i say you know please 00:12:22.220 --> 00:12:24.769 vote against this thing or Please do not vote 00:12:24.769 --> 00:12:26.990 to confirm this person. Does it do anything? 00:12:27.210 --> 00:12:29.730 Sometimes it does. Sometimes it doesn't. But 00:12:29.730 --> 00:12:32.750 either way, it makes me feel as though at least 00:12:32.750 --> 00:12:34.309 they had to hear my voice. You know, at least 00:12:34.309 --> 00:12:38.129 they had to understand that someone they represent 00:12:38.129 --> 00:12:40.409 is really annoyed at something they did, even 00:12:40.409 --> 00:12:47.690 if they ignore me. Then there are. So my organization 00:12:47.690 --> 00:12:50.669 or my my employer is the university, of course, 00:12:50.710 --> 00:12:54.860 and so. Columbia, Columbia University, just kind 00:12:54.860 --> 00:12:59.360 of pre capitulated to President Trump. And so 00:12:59.360 --> 00:13:02.139 I actually am talking to my chair right now, 00:13:02.159 --> 00:13:03.899 the chair of my department to say, how can we 00:13:03.899 --> 00:13:07.240 kind of talk to our university leaders right 00:13:07.240 --> 00:13:10.000 now and say, don't do this, basically, like, 00:13:10.019 --> 00:13:12.679 don't wait until it happens. But to say, we are 00:13:12.679 --> 00:13:14.980 on your side, we support you. And like, please 00:13:14.980 --> 00:13:20.019 don't give in. Then on an individual level, like 00:13:20.019 --> 00:13:22.700 I've just been making connections with people, 00:13:22.779 --> 00:13:24.539 like making connections with Native folks. Like 00:13:24.539 --> 00:13:28.340 anytime I meet someone who is Chickasaw or Choctaw, 00:13:28.580 --> 00:13:31.299 anytime I see someone who's like a university 00:13:31.299 --> 00:13:35.039 professor or in some place where I can reach 00:13:35.039 --> 00:13:36.980 them, like email them or whatever, I always just 00:13:36.980 --> 00:13:38.480 kind of reach out to them and say, like, are 00:13:38.480 --> 00:13:41.559 you aware of this history? Can I talk to you 00:13:41.559 --> 00:13:44.259 about this history? Do you support, you know, 00:13:44.259 --> 00:13:47.840 giving freedmen citizenship in your nation? And 00:13:47.840 --> 00:13:51.100 I'm like, Maybe I can hit a hundred people eventually. 00:13:51.159 --> 00:13:54.259 Like maybe I can hit a thousand. Anyone I can 00:13:54.259 --> 00:13:58.639 just talk to on a human to human level and say, 00:13:58.720 --> 00:14:01.039 this is my family's history. This is how it intersects 00:14:01.039 --> 00:14:03.639 with your family's history. Please on a human 00:14:03.639 --> 00:14:06.299 level, at least like, can this mean something? 00:14:06.799 --> 00:14:09.080 And maybe I can grow a movement that way. Like 00:14:09.080 --> 00:14:12.259 that's sort of my hope. But even if that doesn't 00:14:12.259 --> 00:14:14.200 come true, I don't want to feel as though I failed 00:14:14.200 --> 00:14:17.379 because it's better than nothing. And it's kind 00:14:17.379 --> 00:14:20.070 of what's getting me. through this, like doing 00:14:20.070 --> 00:14:22.330 my own little part of my own little subfield, 00:14:22.470 --> 00:14:25.850 because that's, that's what I can do. Like, that's 00:14:25.850 --> 00:14:29.129 my specialty. That's what I feel maybe most comfortable 00:14:29.129 --> 00:14:31.070 doing aside from like, you know, larger protests 00:14:31.070 --> 00:14:34.110 or things like that. And I think if we all kind 00:14:34.110 --> 00:14:37.250 of make our own little movement in our own little 00:14:37.250 --> 00:14:40.990 subfield or our own little community, hopefully 00:14:40.990 --> 00:14:42.950 that can get us somewhere because it's really 00:14:42.950 --> 00:14:46.230 dark out here. If you're enjoying the show as 00:14:46.230 --> 00:14:48.990 much as we love creating it, Consider showing 00:14:48.990 --> 00:14:53.070 your support by buying us a cup of coffee. 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You're 00:15:43.090 --> 00:15:45.629 going to get mad. You're going to get mad. Get 00:15:45.629 --> 00:15:49.549 mad. Do it. And then start to figure out how 00:15:49.549 --> 00:15:53.929 we can use this to be a lesson learned, right? 00:15:54.070 --> 00:15:58.399 How can we use this to help? us strategize differently, 00:15:58.559 --> 00:16:01.960 for us to think differently about who we are, 00:16:02.100 --> 00:16:07.539 right? And who our allies could be. And when 00:16:07.539 --> 00:16:10.259 you know who your allies could be, you also know 00:16:10.259 --> 00:16:13.299 you got to get past certain challenges before 00:16:13.299 --> 00:16:15.960 you can get to the meat of embracing each other, 00:16:16.080 --> 00:16:19.039 right? So being more informed about those potential 00:16:19.039 --> 00:16:21.840 allies, because again, I think going back to 00:16:21.840 --> 00:16:24.860 our earlier conversation, we oftentimes romanticize. 00:16:25.149 --> 00:16:28.970 Native communities re -romanticize a lot of, 00:16:28.970 --> 00:16:31.990 you know, Seminoles. I went to school in Florida. 00:16:32.450 --> 00:16:36.830 I also, you know, am an alumnus of Columbia. 00:16:37.190 --> 00:16:40.409 I'm very upset about what's happening. And I'm 00:16:40.409 --> 00:16:42.889 seeing my colleagues dealing with it at their 00:16:42.889 --> 00:16:45.409 own institutions. University of Michigan just 00:16:45.409 --> 00:16:49.090 noted that they rolled back their DEI. I know 00:16:49.090 --> 00:16:51.269 University of California just rolled back theirs. 00:16:51.769 --> 00:16:56.610 And so these are very daunting times, but we're 00:16:56.610 --> 00:16:59.049 having these conversations regardless because 00:16:59.049 --> 00:17:03.049 they are very much needed and necessary. Two 00:17:03.049 --> 00:17:07.529 things before we wrap up. One is thank you for 00:17:07.529 --> 00:17:10.630 all of the shout outs. I wanted to give Bria 00:17:10.630 --> 00:17:14.750 Baker's book a little bit more of a shout out, 00:17:14.769 --> 00:17:19.740 Rooted, The American Legacy of Land Theft. and 00:17:19.740 --> 00:17:22.539 the Modern Movement for Black Land Ownership. 00:17:22.779 --> 00:17:25.759 Are there any other organizations that you would 00:17:25.759 --> 00:17:30.059 like our community to know about, to books, websites 00:17:30.059 --> 00:17:33.839 that you really, really enjoy or get a lot from 00:17:33.839 --> 00:17:38.160 that you think deserve a bit of a boost, if you 00:17:38.160 --> 00:17:41.680 will? There might be some of your favorites you 00:17:41.680 --> 00:17:46.500 want to share. If you happen to be listening 00:17:46.500 --> 00:17:50.480 to this and you are a freedman or you later on 00:17:50.480 --> 00:17:52.240 do family history and discover that you are, 00:17:52.440 --> 00:17:55.380 I want to point you toward the Choctaw Chickasaw 00:17:55.380 --> 00:17:58.740 Freedmen Association. They have a web page that 00:17:58.740 --> 00:18:01.019 isn't always updated, but they have a good amount 00:18:01.019 --> 00:18:03.819 of information and a lot of places kind of to 00:18:03.819 --> 00:18:06.759 start doing that genealogy and also to maybe 00:18:06.759 --> 00:18:08.779 hopefully get involved in kind of the advocacy 00:18:08.779 --> 00:18:13.559 that I'm doing for citizenship. Then I guess 00:18:13.559 --> 00:18:17.140 I also mentioned Taya Miles's book. It's called 00:18:17.140 --> 00:18:22.019 Ties That Bind. So she's the OG, as they say. 00:18:22.599 --> 00:18:25.960 She really kind of started this subfield. And 00:18:25.960 --> 00:18:28.799 I just have so much respect for her and her work. 00:18:28.920 --> 00:18:32.220 And a lot of, some of, she handles things in 00:18:32.220 --> 00:18:34.380 a different way. And that history is different. 00:18:34.480 --> 00:18:36.019 I mean, these are nations, you know, the Cherokee 00:18:36.019 --> 00:18:37.640 Nation's history is different from the Chickasaw 00:18:37.640 --> 00:18:40.920 and Choctaw Nations. But it also goes a lot more 00:18:40.920 --> 00:18:44.480 into, you know, sexual assault of Black women 00:18:44.480 --> 00:18:47.619 in the turkey nation and kind of the identity 00:18:47.619 --> 00:18:49.799 issues that come from being Black in a Native 00:18:49.799 --> 00:18:52.400 nation in the way that my book don't. So that 00:18:52.400 --> 00:18:54.619 would be kind of maybe something to read alongside 00:18:54.619 --> 00:18:59.619 my book. All right. That is awesome. The last 00:18:59.619 --> 00:19:01.799 question that I tend to ask my guests because 00:19:01.799 --> 00:19:04.680 of the title, what are the questions that I didn't 00:19:04.680 --> 00:19:08.519 ask that maybe we should be so bold as to ask 00:19:08.519 --> 00:19:13.119 in the future? Not even kidding. We covered so 00:19:13.119 --> 00:19:16.359 much. This is, I don't know, the best or one 00:19:16.359 --> 00:19:18.119 of the best interviews I've ever done. You're 00:19:18.119 --> 00:19:22.710 an amazing interviewer. Oh, I'm so glad. I'm 00:19:22.710 --> 00:19:25.329 so glad to hear that. We always are looking for 00:19:25.329 --> 00:19:27.609 positive feedback and always looking to plant 00:19:27.609 --> 00:19:32.569 seeds. I mean, you mentioned how your work, your 00:19:32.569 --> 00:19:34.809 efforts, whether it's five calls, which I'm also 00:19:34.809 --> 00:19:39.670 a fan of, and your efforts to connect with people, 00:19:39.750 --> 00:19:43.049 I think is so important. We have to connect with 00:19:43.049 --> 00:19:46.809 people. We have to share what it is that we know. 00:19:47.089 --> 00:19:50.890 And remember that as crazy as the world is, There 00:19:50.890 --> 00:19:53.250 are still good people in the world. There are 00:19:53.250 --> 00:19:55.349 still people who are open, who want to listen, 00:19:55.490 --> 00:19:59.009 who want to learn, who want to grow, who need 00:19:59.009 --> 00:20:03.230 the opportunity to even know that this is a question 00:20:03.230 --> 00:20:08.210 to ask, a topic to explore. And so I am super 00:20:08.210 --> 00:20:11.049 glad that these are some of the things that you 00:20:11.049 --> 00:20:13.730 were doing. And I just want to encourage you 00:20:13.730 --> 00:20:16.630 to continue to plant those seeds. You know, our 00:20:16.630 --> 00:20:20.660 ancestors. you know, planted lots of seeds. And 00:20:20.660 --> 00:20:23.960 we are now benefiting from many of them. If we 00:20:23.960 --> 00:20:26.099 think about, you know, our grandparents, our 00:20:26.099 --> 00:20:28.920 great -grandparents, and the saying that is becoming 00:20:28.920 --> 00:20:32.779 more and more popular, we are our ancestors' 00:20:33.299 --> 00:20:36.559 wildest dreams. You know, there were things that 00:20:36.559 --> 00:20:39.019 they imagined for their children and their children's 00:20:39.019 --> 00:20:41.359 children that they knew in the time that they 00:20:41.359 --> 00:20:43.960 were here would probably never happen in their 00:20:43.960 --> 00:20:47.569 lifetime. But because of their perseverance and 00:20:47.569 --> 00:20:50.549 because of the seeds that they sowed, we are 00:20:50.549 --> 00:20:53.630 here. We are still here and we are a blessing 00:20:53.630 --> 00:20:56.410 and we continue to try to be a blessing to others. 00:20:56.549 --> 00:20:58.609 And I just want to continue to support you and 00:20:58.609 --> 00:21:02.210 let you know your scholarship matters. Your family 00:21:02.210 --> 00:21:05.750 matters. Your family history matters. Your ancestors 00:21:05.750 --> 00:21:08.589 matter. And I'm so glad that I had the chance 00:21:08.589 --> 00:21:11.170 to fangirl with you today on questions you didn't 00:21:11.170 --> 00:21:13.490 ask and that you were able to be a part of this 00:21:13.490 --> 00:21:15.799 wonderful journey with me. thank you you're about 00:21:15.799 --> 00:21:19.160 to make me cry thank you so much for having me 00:21:19.160 --> 00:21:22.640 bless you darling all right well thank you to 00:21:22.640 --> 00:21:25.380 all our listeners for tuning in we are so excited 00:21:25.380 --> 00:21:28.380 to be back and as you can see this is season 00:21:28.380 --> 00:21:30.960 four series one of questions you demand