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Welcome back to Questions You Didn't Ask with

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me, Nyesha Frey, and my guest, Julissa Soto,

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as we continue the series. Ready or not, the

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real talk Black and Latino communities need.

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Let's pick up where we left off. So when we think

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about our health system, you know, and our culture,

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you know, what are some of the ways that Latino

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communities, Mexican -American communities have

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created their own health care and ways to take

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care of themselves? What are some? When the door

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is shut in their face, what are some things that

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they do? Or when they can't find the door, what

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are some of the things that they do to take care

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of each other that you can share? What we do

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is go to the meat market. The meat market is

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like a pharmacy. It's like a Walgreens or Walmart

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or something like that. But the meat market,

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you as a Latino will know where to go, and then

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you'll find your medications there. You talk

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to people that are providers in our country,

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but they're not allowed to work here. Sometimes

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we have no other choice but to go through the

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back door at the meat markets because, you know,

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when we get to the emergency room, we get discriminated

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and sometimes not even. They don't see us, right?

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Or the Federal Qualified Health Center, you have

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to have your ID, you have to have an address,

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you have to have a lot of documentation to be

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seen. But when you go to the meat market, you

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talk to whomever you need to talk to, and we

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get our medication there. And I'm sure that that

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brings with it a lot of risks, you know, in regard

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to having to get your health care that way. So

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there probably been some things that work really

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well. And then some things that, you know, folks

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are just hoping and praying don't harm them more

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than help them. Is that true? That is true. That

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is true. And we know that when we go to a meat

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market, we're risking our own health. But to

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be honest with you, we prefer to go to the meat

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market where we know that we're going to see

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a smile. Yes. We might be at risk with the medication,

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but we're also thinking that about the white

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folks. We're always thinking that the white folks

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want to do us wrong and we don't trust them.

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So we trust somebody better that is from our

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community. And we know that they're going to

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have better intention than the Anglo community.

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That's what we think, right? That's why we go

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to the meat markets. So a lot of the times when

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I do my keynote speaking and I talk out there

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in the community, the white folks are like, oh,

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my God, she says white a whole lot. She comes

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after us a whole lot. Yeah, I'm coming after

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you because you're part of that system. And that

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part of the system that you think is working

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well for you is not working for me. And as a

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U .S. citizen and as a taxpayer, I have the right

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to say exactly how I feel. Yes, yes, yes. You

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know, it's very similar in the Black community

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here, in the African -American community, that

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there is a lot of medical mistrust. And there's

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documented in our history why. There's a lot

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of mistrust. It's documented in our research,

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even currently, why there's a lot of mistrust

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in the healthcare system and that people tend

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to rely on, you know, a lot of home grown methodologies,

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a lot of tend to trust and feel more comfortable

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with what we call fancy term is racial concordance

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in healthcare providers. And what that means

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is that you have a lot more trust, a lot more.

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tend to have better health outcomes when you

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work with, and this isn't always the case, but

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the tendency is that when you work with someone

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that looks like you and is from a similar community

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as you, that there's a better sense of understanding,

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there's more safety in communicating, there's

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more understanding in terms of your apprehensions,

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your common health issues, and so on and so forth.

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And so this tends to be a common strategy. that

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people use to survive and to remain healthy,

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regardless of what the national or traditional

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U .S. healthcare system provides. Totally agree

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with you. In your experience, what have been

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some of the most eye -opening similarities that

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you have seen between Latino communities, immigrant

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communities, and non -white communities who live

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here in the United States, whether that's Native

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American peoples, indigenous peoples, or even

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Black or African American peoples? What have

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been some of the eye -opening similarities that

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you have seen in our cultures and experiences?

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You know, the discrimination. And it's amazing

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for me to see that Blacks are born here. And

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blacks have the right. But for the white folks,

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you're black and you're not American. That is

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very similar than with the Latino community.

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But the only difference is that as we know that

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we were born in our state or in our countries.

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Right. And that we become U .S. citizen later.

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But then you have some black communities here

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that they have been here in the United States

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for generations and generations and generations.

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And people still see them as black and not Americans.

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That was an eye opener for me because I am married

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to a black man. And I used to tell him, I remember,

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oh, it's easy for you. It's not as hard that

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it is for me because, you know, I get discriminated

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and all of that. And he told me, I remember he

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told me one time, you know. I am black. I don't

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know where you get that information from. And

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I said, but you're an American. So life is a

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lot easier for you. You were born with a social

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security number that I'm fighting for. You were

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born with that language that I'm fighting for.

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You were born with that birth certificate that

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I'm fighting for. So for me, your life is a lot

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easier than me. And then he kept telling me,

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no, it's not the way you think it is. So we will

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go to a couple stores shopping and. And that's

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when I started noticing that they will follow

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him more than me. And in the past, I used to

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see that some of the salespeople would follow

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me, right? But now I'm with him, and I see that

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they're following him more than me. So probably

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this person is thinking, okay, one Mexican, one

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black. Which one should I go to? Let me pick

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and choose who I'm going to discriminate against.

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here you know so for me that that has been the

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similarities the similarity in the way that we

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get treated at our jobs that um very much inequitable

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the pay also it's inequitable you know so i a

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lot of things that were very similar extremely

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similar i'm glad you brought that up that it's

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a journey for people right that come to this

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country and again have to fight against the overcoming

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the propaganda of what they think America is

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versus what it actually is. As an African -American

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person, as a Black person in America, I have,

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like I mentioned, had to overcome a lot of misunderstandings

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and misconceptions about the immigrant experience

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and about the Latino experience here in this

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country. But I've also been very disheartened,

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heartbroken, because I do tend to try to be open

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-hearted to people, especially of color, non

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-white people here in this country. And I've

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been brokenhearted by some of their racism against

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Black people and some of the ignorance that they

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have about our experience, our culture, our history.

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I recognize that, you know, everywhere that people

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are in this modern culture, There is some level

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of colorism that makes people of a lighter complexion

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more privileged than people of a darker complexion.

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And that is true, not just here in the United

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States, but even in countries like India, in

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Australia, you know, you name it. Some of the

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challenges. racial and perception challenges

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and misconceptions that you believe Latinos have

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about Black people. And of course, I'm not expecting

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you to be a, you know, say it all because you

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know it all. I'm just from your own experience.

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No, no, no. And I can say it all because I have

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had a lot of experience. Right. And and let's

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just this is a podcast when I say that I was

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going to be truthful. Right. So, yes, in many

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countries, including Mexico, the light skinned

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people is supposedly are the rich ones. And the

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darker the darker you are, the less that you

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have opportunities in Mexico, too. That happens

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in my country too. Now, we all have our certain

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biases. We all have our certain ways of looking

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at life. And I think a lot of us are very much

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ignorant. I remember when I told my family that

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I was dating a black man and they were like,

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a who? And I said, a black man from America.

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And they were like, oh my goodness. And this

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was, I was already older, right? And so. My mom

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was like, mijita, do you understand what you're

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doing to yourself? First of all, you're a woman,

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and you're the type of a woman that is super

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rebellious here in Mexico. You think a little

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bit different, and now you're going to bring

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a man that is not part of our culture because

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our men can marry women from other cultures.

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That's being seen normal. But a woman needs to

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stay among the culture so we can keep. Our heritage,

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our life. So that's our responsibility, but I

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never care about that, right? So I started, even

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among my family, I never believed that discrimination

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existed and racism, but it did. Because when

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I married my husband, a couple people didn't

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want to show up for the wedding just because

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he was black. And I seen the same thing and vice

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versa, you know? The Latinos have this perception

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that... Black are lazy. Black don't like to work.

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Black, especially women, are always angry and

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with attitude. That's what the Latino community,

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and I'm not saying everyone in the Latino community,

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I'm saying the immigrants more likely are more

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close -minded than the Mexico -American ones.

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Because the Mexico -American ones have been integrated

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to the United States, to the culture. But the

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immigrants were like, uh -uh, don't approach

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the blacks because this is all what they do.

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Where did that information come from? I just

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don't know because my husband does not fit that

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profile, right? And vice versa, you know, when

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I'm hanging out around my husband's family, I

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can see that his grandma and his family wouldn't

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prefer a black woman for him just by the comments

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they make, just by the comments, the gaslighting

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comments. I know that they would have preferred

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that too, right? But I'm very aware of that.

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And they also make comments like, Like, why they

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don't speak English? And comments like, why is

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it that 20 ,000 live in one home? You know? So

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it goes both ways. But, you know, for the government,

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this is to their benefit. If you and I don't

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get along, if you and I don't work together,

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you know, more power to them and less power to

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us. Because in black and brown communities, we

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unite, honestly. Black and brown, just black

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and brown. Don't even count Asians. Don't even

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count Native Americans. You know what we will

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do. We will kill it, right? We will do so many

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good things, right? But we are so ignorant with

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our close minds that we can't get along. And

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we discriminate against each other when things

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like this had happened to you and to me. Why

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the conversation going. Good question. Good question.

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And the thing is, is that when we act out these

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attitudes, you're right. It just creates more

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and more division and divisiveness. I have seen

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with my own eyes and experienced both professionally

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and personally, multi -generationally, the discrimination

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that Latino communities have against Black Americans.

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I've seen that discrimination even against African

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immigrants towards African Americans. And a lot

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of it has to do with... The fact that our history

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is, people don't know our history. People don't

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know how hard we had to work and how much we

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sacrificed in this country. And it always feels

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like a slap in the face because we know that

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if we hadn't sacrificed so much and worked so

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hard and fought so hard, that a lot of immigrants

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of color in particular would not have been allowed

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to be here at all. And so that feels like a major,

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major slap in the face when people come here

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and then they look down on us and they think

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that we're lazy. But we also know that that's

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a part of the propaganda. Like you said, the

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divide and conquer. It is an extension of the

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Willie Lynch theory, which if you don't know

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about that, that is a whole doctrine of thinking

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that was adopted during slave trading time about

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how to keep people of color, Black people, African

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people, enslaved people, separated based on these

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very superficial categories and demographic characteristics

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or job titles or places of work in order for

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them, one, to feel better than the other, to

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feel separate than the other, and to keep people

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from uniting, just like you said, because even

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then, especially in the South, White people knew

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that if Black people and even some Native peoples

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were to truly embrace their unified experience

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and their unified culture and maximize that,

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their strength, that they would overturn and

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throw out these European colonialist slaveholders,

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terrorists that had brought African people here

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and taken so much. from Native peoples, from

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Mexican peoples, and so on. And so this continues

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to this day. And like you said, it's to our detriment,

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and we're feeling it right now. So let's talk

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a little bit about some of the political rhetoric

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that has been circulating, especially during

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election time, and from this 45th, who's soon

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to be 47th president. that he stood up 10 toes

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down and said that, you know, Latinos, immigrants,

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Mexicans, South Americans, Central Americans

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were coming here and taking all the good Black

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jobs, right? And pitting us together. How did

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that resonate? What did that feel like amongst

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Latinos and specifically Latino voters, like

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amongst the people that you work with and engage

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with? Because we have the data. And it seems

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that some of them agree with him, at least if

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not on that point, they at least agree with him

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enough to vote for him. How did that resonate?

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This whole, you know, Latinos are coming here

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and taking taking all the good black jobs. You

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know, when I heard the good black jobs, I was

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like, I'm still kind of like, can somebody describe

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what are the good black jobs? Because for me,

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last time I checked. Everyone who has the good

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jobs is the white folks. So I don't know. But

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I will answer based on what I understand and

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my understanding of what just happened. You have

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those Cuban Americans, Puerto Ricans, right?

00:19:02.619 --> 00:19:05.779
Mexico Americans, they voted for Trump. I kind

00:19:05.779 --> 00:19:09.400
of got happy and sad about this. Let me tell

00:19:09.400 --> 00:19:15.039
you why. I was happy. to see then now a lot of

00:19:15.039 --> 00:19:19.920
the people who have or not see us at all now

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they know that the latino vote matters because

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the latino vote took these men to leadership

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right to the to the white house now maybe next

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election whoever is campaigning need to do a

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little bit better job educating those latinos

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who are on the left side, right? It's like COVID.

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When COVID happened, I was very sad that a lot

00:19:48.039 --> 00:19:50.839
of people were dying, but extremely happy that

00:19:50.839 --> 00:19:55.099
everyone saw the inequities and the unfairness

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and how the vaccine was delivered to BIPOC communities.

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I'm still mad to now, right? Because that's my

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work. My work is... providing access to care

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for those, right? But for those Latinos who voted

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for him, you know, a lot of times people are

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coming to me and saying, hey, what's up with

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your people? And I said, first of all, it was

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the Cubans. And then it was the Puerto Ricans,

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which is your people. You know, they tell me

00:20:20.769 --> 00:20:23.029
it's my people. Puerto Ricans are Americans.

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They're not Latinos. So I'm like, know the map,

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know your history. Everything, my friend, before

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you say my people, Mexicans were on the last

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poll of voting for him. Also, let me tell you

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what happened with the Latino community. They

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felt also that Kamala, our vice president, or

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president, I want to call her president because

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she's a woman, so my president, you know. It

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targeted very much African -Americans and other

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communities. The Latino community felt left out.

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And then they started saying, let's compare them.

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At least Trump is going to get the economy up

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and running because the Latinos, the voters for

00:21:14.009 --> 00:21:16.410
him, are entrepreneurs, right? They want the

00:21:16.410 --> 00:21:18.990
economy to get better. Kamala is going to start

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doing a lot of things for the Black community.

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And that's a no -no because then the Latinos

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were going to be behind. I know it's an ignorant

00:21:26.170 --> 00:21:28.849
way of thinking, but that's what I heard out

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there in the streets. They were like, we will

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go 100 % more for Trump than Kamala. Kamala is

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going to look out for her people and not us.

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And then I wonder, is that truly what Kamala

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said? Or is that what people thought because

00:21:48.609 --> 00:21:53.619
of what she looks like? that she's a woman, that

00:21:53.619 --> 00:21:57.559
she presents as a Black woman. She embraces Black

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culture and she's also Indian. She is not Latino,

00:22:03.880 --> 00:22:07.400
Latina. She's not any of that. And is that what

00:22:07.400 --> 00:22:10.759
she said or is that what people just assume?

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So, I mean, today we're really talking a lot

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about these assumptions that drive people's behaviors

00:22:16.839 --> 00:22:21.160
and attitudes. I mean, because... Did you hear

00:22:21.160 --> 00:22:24.660
that from her or do you feel like, got you? No,

00:22:24.660 --> 00:22:28.339
no, no, my friend, no. Every time she spoke with

00:22:28.339 --> 00:22:35.680
elegance, fierce, I never saw that in my community.

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It's feeling and seeing. And I honestly think

00:22:39.000 --> 00:22:42.619
it's racism and discrimination against her because

00:22:42.619 --> 00:22:46.779
people see the black first and then a woman.

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So they were seeing. For me, in my own way of

00:22:53.009 --> 00:22:55.869
explaining this, that everybody was seeing what

00:22:55.869 --> 00:22:59.210
they see as a downfall instead of, wow, she's

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a woman. She's black. She's a woman of color.

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She's going to do a lot for BIPOC communities.

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I never heard her saying anything like that.

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But the Latino vote spoke up and wanted Trump,

00:23:13.529 --> 00:23:17.410
you know, better than Kamala, right? So I honestly

00:23:17.410 --> 00:23:21.019
think it's a huge problem here. It's a huge problem

00:23:21.019 --> 00:23:24.559
with my community. And I don't know if it's because

00:23:24.559 --> 00:23:27.579
I cannot say that it's ignorance because the

00:23:27.579 --> 00:23:30.960
voters who went for Trump, who happened to be

00:23:30.960 --> 00:23:34.140
Latino, are highly educated. So it's not like

00:23:34.140 --> 00:23:39.019
they don't understand. But I honestly feel and

00:23:39.019 --> 00:23:40.720
they're never going to say this. The things I'm

00:23:40.720 --> 00:23:42.819
saying here, they're never going to admit that

00:23:42.819 --> 00:23:45.079
they're racist, that she was just a woman and

00:23:45.079 --> 00:23:49.259
discrimination and racism that impact this decision.

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But Latino Latino vote was very low for Trump.

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It was not as high as Latino man. So I honestly

00:23:57.259 --> 00:24:00.940
think it was that Latino machismo, the machismo

00:24:00.940 --> 00:24:04.619
of not seeing a woman who happened to be a president,

00:24:04.799 --> 00:24:07.559
you know, who can be a president. I'm sorry.

00:24:07.680 --> 00:24:11.559
So I honestly think that not only her being a

00:24:11.559 --> 00:24:14.160
woman, but also being black in the machismo had

00:24:14.160 --> 00:24:17.119
a lot to do with it. Yeah. And, you know, I would

00:24:17.119 --> 00:24:19.559
probably venture to say the racism probably won

00:24:19.559 --> 00:24:22.079
out over the sexism in this sense, because one

00:24:22.079 --> 00:24:23.900
of the things in the black community that we

00:24:23.900 --> 00:24:26.740
talked about, you know, at least amongst my friends,

00:24:26.859 --> 00:24:29.180
family, colleagues, and so on, is that Mexico

00:24:29.180 --> 00:24:31.619
has a woman president right now. Is that right?

00:24:31.680 --> 00:24:35.200
Yes. Yes. I was, I'm so excited. The third world

00:24:35.200 --> 00:24:38.359
country, we have a Mexican woman. I'm like, what's

00:24:38.359 --> 00:24:43.579
up? I'm totally, I'm super excited about my country

00:24:43.579 --> 00:24:48.700
finally. I honestly think that race has race

00:24:48.700 --> 00:24:51.660
is number one, because like you say, you know,

00:24:51.660 --> 00:24:53.779
we have a woman president. And if the machismo

00:24:53.779 --> 00:24:57.400
would play a role, she would never be a president

00:24:57.400 --> 00:25:00.279
of Mexico. Right, right, right. So we've got

00:25:00.279 --> 00:25:02.980
to confront that. We've got to confront that

00:25:02.980 --> 00:25:06.359
because we've got so much at stake. You know,

00:25:06.359 --> 00:25:10.119
we've got so much that we're fighting for and

00:25:10.119 --> 00:25:14.519
that we need to. find unity around. We need to

00:25:14.519 --> 00:25:17.240
find some healing around. We need to raise some

00:25:17.240 --> 00:25:20.420
awareness and, you know, considering this incoming

00:25:20.420 --> 00:25:22.960
administration that wants to do more to burn

00:25:22.960 --> 00:25:26.079
books and get rid of certain, you know, history

00:25:26.079 --> 00:25:28.759
in the public school system and things like that.

00:25:28.940 --> 00:25:31.579
So how can Black and Latino communities work

00:25:31.579 --> 00:25:34.119
together for better health and opportunities?

00:25:35.140 --> 00:25:38.220
You know, doing what we're doing today. You're

00:25:38.220 --> 00:25:40.619
a black woman, beautiful black woman. I'm a beautiful

00:25:40.619 --> 00:25:44.000
Latina woman. And we're putting our ideas together

00:25:44.000 --> 00:25:46.400
and we're being straight up, straight up with

00:25:46.400 --> 00:25:48.839
each other. And we're being completely honest

00:25:48.839 --> 00:25:51.119
without being offensive towards each other. But

00:25:51.119 --> 00:25:54.240
trying to understand what your community think

00:25:54.240 --> 00:25:57.099
about us. What do we think about you? And having

00:25:57.099 --> 00:25:59.680
dialogues. We need to start getting into those.

00:26:00.480 --> 00:26:03.799
forums into those conferences and speak about

00:26:03.799 --> 00:26:06.460
how we feel about each other and how can we do

00:26:06.460 --> 00:26:09.460
better, right? But, you know, in those conferences,

00:26:09.579 --> 00:26:11.859
no way people are going to say the truth about

00:26:11.859 --> 00:26:14.559
each other. And that's what we need to do more.

00:26:14.680 --> 00:26:17.180
The Black and the Latino community, anyways,

00:26:17.539 --> 00:26:20.380
they don't like us. So let's give them a reason

00:26:20.380 --> 00:26:22.900
not to even like us even more. You know, like,

00:26:22.960 --> 00:26:25.339
let's get out there. Let's speak up. Let's speak

00:26:25.339 --> 00:26:29.200
out. And I feel that a lot of Black, a lot of

00:26:29.200 --> 00:26:30.859
the people from the Black community, African

00:26:30.859 --> 00:26:33.920
-Americans too, like the Latino, very afraid

00:26:33.920 --> 00:26:36.880
to speak up in conferences. You know, most of

00:26:36.880 --> 00:26:39.339
those conferences, look who are leading those

00:26:39.339 --> 00:26:41.500
conferences, the white folks, because if you

00:26:41.500 --> 00:26:43.799
say one wrong thing, I'll be them. You know,

00:26:43.839 --> 00:26:45.819
if you're Black and brown, you say one wrong

00:26:45.819 --> 00:26:47.759
thing and oh my God, nobody's going to forgive

00:26:47.759 --> 00:26:49.880
you. But if you're white and you can be acting

00:26:49.880 --> 00:26:52.700
crazy, yeah, everybody forgives you. And especially

00:26:52.700 --> 00:26:55.799
because your name is Ann Smith or whatever it

00:26:55.799 --> 00:27:00.750
is your name, right? So for me, it's... having

00:27:00.750 --> 00:27:03.150
podcasts like this, educating the community,

00:27:03.329 --> 00:27:07.690
but having real podcasts, not the political correct.

00:27:07.849 --> 00:27:10.529
I couldn't be political correct today and say

00:27:10.529 --> 00:27:13.009
to you, and say to you, no, it's no problem between

00:27:13.009 --> 00:27:15.849
Black and Latinos. No, it is. And it has been.

00:27:15.930 --> 00:27:17.869
And it has been for generations and generations.

00:27:18.170 --> 00:27:21.029
It's just that nobody wants to talk about it,

00:27:21.069 --> 00:27:23.509
right? Having more of these podcasts, going to

00:27:23.509 --> 00:27:26.490
conferences and co -presenting together. For

00:27:26.490 --> 00:27:28.970
example, if you know about vaccine. conference

00:27:28.970 --> 00:27:32.390
right um then you know partnering with somebody

00:27:32.390 --> 00:27:35.410
that is black and saying okay let's co -present

00:27:35.410 --> 00:27:37.950
you present on your community challenges in your

00:27:37.950 --> 00:27:40.730
community i present on challenges in my community

00:27:40.730 --> 00:27:43.750
start working together applying for grants together

00:27:43.750 --> 00:27:47.819
instead of separate Because that's what I see.

00:27:48.099 --> 00:27:50.740
And I don't know if you see this in the Latino

00:27:50.740 --> 00:27:53.380
community, right? Because I see in the Black

00:27:53.380 --> 00:27:56.420
community, what I see is that it's even, like

00:27:56.420 --> 00:27:59.359
you say, even discrimination against the Blacks,

00:27:59.359 --> 00:28:02.359
that they're dark skinned and light skinned and

00:28:02.359 --> 00:28:05.559
not working with each other, you know? So that

00:28:05.559 --> 00:28:09.920
must stop. And, you know, for me, I feel that

00:28:09.920 --> 00:28:12.099
it's a lot of ignorance when you're light skinned

00:28:12.099 --> 00:28:14.079
and you're Black. I'm like, you're still Black.

00:28:14.720 --> 00:28:16.720
regardless what you say people are gonna see

00:28:16.720 --> 00:28:20.339
you black so if you're vanilla if you're black

00:28:20.339 --> 00:28:23.299
if you're light skin i don't care it's like with

00:28:23.299 --> 00:28:25.819
me you know when i work with other latinos i

00:28:25.819 --> 00:28:27.740
always say that there's those latinos and the

00:28:27.740 --> 00:28:31.140
better latinos the latinos who feel better at

00:28:31.140 --> 00:28:34.200
the end of the day you still a latino that's

00:28:34.200 --> 00:28:36.599
not gonna go away even if you feel better than

00:28:36.599 --> 00:28:39.240
others right but we have those we have those

00:28:39.240 --> 00:28:43.119
in our community and when i say that the latino

00:28:43.119 --> 00:28:45.339
community almost want to kill me right when i

00:28:45.339 --> 00:28:48.119
say well you have the mexicans you have the central

00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:51.140
americans then you have the chicanos and then

00:28:51.140 --> 00:28:53.019
you have the mexico americans and then you have

00:28:53.019 --> 00:28:56.039
the better latinos did they say that they say

00:28:56.039 --> 00:28:57.640
that they're in this country and they're doing

00:28:57.640 --> 00:29:01.759
so well that oh my god they're rich and this

00:29:01.759 --> 00:29:03.519
and that well if you're doing so well what in

00:29:03.519 --> 00:29:05.619
the hell are you doing in a country that is not

00:29:05.619 --> 00:29:08.599
even yours You know what I mean? Like like when

00:29:08.599 --> 00:29:11.559
Latinos come to me and say, oh, no, we're doing

00:29:11.559 --> 00:29:14.400
really well. And we left our country because

00:29:14.400 --> 00:29:15.920
we wanted to experience something different.

00:29:16.160 --> 00:29:18.319
You wanted to experience being discriminated,

00:29:18.359 --> 00:29:20.799
being treated wrong, having money in your country.

00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:23.759
Get out of here. No, I don't think so. I don't

00:29:23.759 --> 00:29:25.619
think that you have money and I don't think you're

00:29:25.619 --> 00:29:28.019
better than none of us. So, yeah, I get some

00:29:28.019 --> 00:29:30.839
of those Latinos that tell me that they're doing

00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:33.480
well, that they were doing well in their country.

00:29:34.140 --> 00:29:36.480
And I don't believe that. I don't believe that

00:29:36.480 --> 00:29:38.000
if you're doing well in your country, what are

00:29:38.000 --> 00:29:42.700
you doing here? That's my question. And I think

00:29:42.700 --> 00:29:45.579
a lot of people feel that way. They do ask that

00:29:45.579 --> 00:29:49.940
question. You know, I will correct where I think

00:29:49.940 --> 00:29:52.799
that we disagree on something. In the Black community,

00:29:52.960 --> 00:29:57.160
where we have problems, now we do still have

00:29:57.160 --> 00:29:59.720
colorism, don't get me wrong. I don't think right

00:29:59.720 --> 00:30:03.920
now that's as big of an issue as the classism

00:30:03.920 --> 00:30:09.009
and the political and cultural mentality. So

00:30:09.009 --> 00:30:12.789
we have a saying, not all your skin folk are

00:30:12.789 --> 00:30:17.549
your kin folk. That means that, and it came out

00:30:17.549 --> 00:30:20.369
in the vote, right? In that you still, you had

00:30:20.369 --> 00:30:22.970
a majority of Black men and Black women that

00:30:22.970 --> 00:30:26.309
voted for Kamala Harris, right? But you still

00:30:26.309 --> 00:30:31.789
had a 19%, a 10 or 15 % that did not, that voted

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straight up for Trump. You have candidates like

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here in my state of North Carolina, like Mark

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Robinson, who says that he would want to buy

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and own slaves. You know, you have people that

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have this different mentality. We also have along

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those classism lines, like what you just talked

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about, those Black people who have made it and

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feel like because they made it, that there's

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no racism. I'll give you an example. I used to,

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I love hip hop music. I'm of the hip hop generation,

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right? Lil Wayne has been a hip -hop icon, right,

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since he hit the scene. He has grown his career,

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his popularity, all that other good stuff, and

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obviously his bank account has followed and reflected.

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And because of that, he wears a Trump hat. He

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also promotes gang activity. He says that he

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is proof that if he as a Black man can rise to

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this level of fame and fortune, then that is

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evidence that there is no need for a Black Lives

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Matter campaign. There is no need to stand up

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against police brutality. And I'm like, how can

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you believe both things? How can you promote

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gang activity, particular gangs that you want

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to be affiliated with, who rain down terror in

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Black communities, and at the same time, you

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don't want to stand up against police brutality?

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Because you're rich all of a sudden, but you

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didn't start out that way. Like you said, Julissa,

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these people, if it was that good, and we know

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because his music when he started out was talking

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about the hood and how difficult it was, how

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violent it was, all the different things he had

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to do to survive. That's what made him popular.

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So you got famous because you talked about the

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struggle and the pain and the violence and downright.

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degradation of being a Black poor man in the

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South, in New Orleans. That's how you got famous.

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That's how you got all your money. And now all

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of a sudden, you don't feel like racism is an

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issue that Black people as a whole should be

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concerned about. But you're still Black. And

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you got them tattoos all over your face. You

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really think that when you go in these places

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that people see your money before they see the

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fact that you're black, that you still don't

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experience racism and discrimination, even in

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these very expensive and exclusive locations.

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Definitely. No, no, no. Definitely. He's black

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and he will always be black and he will always

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be hood and he will always be ghetto for the

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white folks. Exactly. You know, you are now you're

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still in service of their their propaganda, their

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stereotype. Right. And now you have sold out

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your vote and your political voice to someone

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who doesn't care about you other than what you

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can do for them. And that's such a shame because,

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you know, somebody at his level should be helping

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us and being the voice of the voiceless. You

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have the money. You have the resources, man.

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Let's help communities. Let's help bringing uplifting

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your own community up. And, you know, like. And

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hold their hands. And it's just saddening to

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hear that he wears a Trump hat. And on top of

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that, don't use his power, his voice that the

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Lord has given him. Because not everybody gets

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out of the hood like he did. You know, he needs

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to count his blessings. You know? He needs to

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count his blessings. And I just don't understand.

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And again, I feel that that's part of the ignorance,

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you know? Thank you for joining us on Questions

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You Didn't Ask with me, Nyesha Frey, and my guest,

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Julissa Soto. Tune in next week as we continue

00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:40.340
our series, Ready or Not, The Real Talk Black

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and Latino Communities Need.
