1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:10,000 Hello friends and welcome back to another episode of In Horror We Trust. 2 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:20,000 What's your favorite scary movie? 3 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:24,000 Well, Krissa, it's 2024. 4 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,000 Yeah, it is. 5 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:27,000 It's another year. 6 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:33,000 2024. It's been quite a ride and quite a gap. 7 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,000 It definitely has. 8 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:41,000 You know, I know I feel like we're saying this consistently now, but it was just a busy time of year. 9 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:47,000 We were busy with work, busy with family, celebrating the holidays, but... 10 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,000 Depression. 11 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,000 But we're here. 12 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:53,000 The big old, the big D. 13 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,000 The big D. 14 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,000 But we're here. 15 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,000 But we made it through. 16 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:01,000 And we're back. 17 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:07,000 And guess what? You can now expect to listen to us the first Wednesday of every month. 18 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,000 Yes! 19 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,000 This is a promise. This is an oath we are taking. 20 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:15,000 Cross your heart and hope to die. Cross your heart and hope to die. 21 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,000 Stick a needle in your eye. 22 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:28,000 But yes, we're promising to be more consistent to our listeners and you can expect us first Wednesday of every month. 23 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:32,000 This may increase at some point, but for right now this is what we're sticking to. 24 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:36,000 So if you enjoy our episodes, please tune in. 25 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,000 Bring you a little consistency. 26 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:42,000 Bring ourselves a little consistency in our chaotic lives. 27 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:47,000 Yes. You know, we're just two girls trying to do the damn thing. 28 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:51,000 And sometimes it's not as easy as it sounds. 29 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:52,000 Oh yeah. 30 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,000 Oh sorry, Adam. 31 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:58,000 Two girls and one dude just trying to do the damn thing. 32 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:06,000 On today's episode, Chris and I have kind of concocted a little special new series. 33 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:10,000 But before we get into that, we kind of wanted to recap what 2023 has been like. 34 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:19,000 What our favorite movie was, what we've been watching, and maybe what we're looking forward to in 2024. 35 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 36 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,000 It's been a long year. Yes. 37 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:28,000 It felt like it went fast, but also as long as shit. 38 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:32,000 Maybe not the best year, you know? 39 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:36,000 It was a little scarce in the film world. 40 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:41,000 But you know, there were a lot of reasons for it. So, you know, we can't knock it. 41 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:49,000 Yeah. So it was kind of hard to pick a number one favorite for me. 42 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:55,000 I don't know if there was any particular one that really, really stood out to me. 43 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,000 I do have a few that I really enjoyed. 44 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:05,000 And I guess, yeah, so this isn't like a strong, you know, like, yeah, this one all about it. 45 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,000 It's not a strong number one. Yeah, it's definitely strong. 46 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:13,000 But anyway, OK, a little unconventional, but Godzilla minus one. 47 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:16,000 Oh, my goodness. I've heard it's so good. It's so good. 48 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:21,000 I really want to check that out. I think you would enjoy it. Yeah. 49 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:30,000 Like, you know, it's like, it's Godzilla action horror, but it's way better than it was way better than the American ones, in my opinion. 50 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,000 I've been hearing such great things about it. 51 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,000 And it makes me happy that that made your number one. Yeah. 52 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:44,000 And I haven't really watched previous Japanese ones besides like clips from the OG from the original. 53 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:52,000 But there's like Shin Godzilla before, which was a newer Japanese one and different different takes on like Godzilla's origin story. 54 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:56,000 But this one is like set in the in the 40s again during the war. 55 00:03:56,000 --> 00:04:01,000 And it was it was just a fantastic piece of cinema. 56 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:06,000 Like, that's amazing sound. We saw it in Dolby, which was incredible. 57 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:14,000 I would highly recommend if anyone I know it's kind of late now. Yeah, I might be out of theaters, but I believe they're going to release it in black and white. 58 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:18,000 Oh, so check it out. Although the color was dope. 59 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,000 But yeah, some very striking imagery. 60 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:26,000 The sound and the music was incredible. And it's just like epic. 61 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:31,000 Honestly, like an epic horror movie. That's amazing. Horror action. Yeah. Yeah. 62 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:35,000 Yeah. So that was a surprising one. I was so pleasantly surprised. 63 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:40,000 I remember Adam, I watched it before me and he was just talking about how how much he enjoyed it. 64 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,000 It was. Yeah. And yeah. 65 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:49,000 And like the human characters in it are they actually have a great story for the characters that you really care about them. 66 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:53,000 And it's like emotional. Yeah. Oh, goodness. OK. I'm going to have to watch out for that one. 67 00:04:53,000 --> 00:05:01,000 I've been wanting to see it, but I just have not had the time and then hearing so much praise and then hearing you enjoy it. 68 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:05,000 I'm like, I need to see this. I need to catch it. Yeah. 69 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:12,000 So my pick along the same lines, like it was a little difficult to pick a top film of last year. 70 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:19,000 There are so many that I enjoyed, but I didn't feel like there was a clear number one, 71 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:24,000 as we have in previous years, been able to easily kind of choose one. 72 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:31,000 But I would say out of the films that I watched, I could easily place One Evil Lurks as number one. 73 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:36,000 I just I thought it came out of left field. There wasn't much that I heard about. 74 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:41,000 And then when it came out, everybody was kind of discussing it and talking about it. 75 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:47,000 And I love foreign horror. So as soon as I found that out, I was like, OK, I'm game. Argentinian. 76 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:53,000 Yes. We all watched it on Halloween. And I was kind of thrown back. 77 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:59,000 Like, I think it was a master class of working in anxiety and dread. 78 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:03,000 And there were so many moments where I was sitting there and I was like, they're not going to do it. 79 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:07,000 They're not going to do that. They're no, no way. And then they did it. 80 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:14,000 And I think a lot of the violence and the gore in this film wasn't necessarily done for shock value. 81 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:20,000 It made a point in the film itself. It was part of the storyline. 82 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:27,000 It was well integrated into it. And it was definitely an interesting take on like a virus possess kind of film. 83 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:34,000 Yeah, I was going to say, yeah, not to mention like one of the coolest interpretations of demonic possession. 84 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:38,000 It was possession in general. And I like that they didn't really explain much. 85 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:50,000 Like they left a lot to your imagination, you piecing it together. There were very rough rules kind of thrown into it that some followed, some didn't. 86 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:58,000 And I really, really, really loved the special effects makeup in this movie. 87 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:05,000 That beginning scene with the first rotten that we experience, I audibly gagged. 88 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:10,000 Like I felt like we could smell him through the TV. And that's such impressive makeup work. 89 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:17,000 In my opinion, it was so well done. The pacing, just everything about this movie was great. 90 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:25,000 But yeah, that was my number one, 2023 pick. Great choice. I think that would have been my number two, essentially. 91 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:32,000 I think just another few that I really enjoyed or a couple more that I enjoyed during the year is Talk to Me. 92 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:39,000 That one was great. I mean, there was Evil Dead Rise. 93 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:48,000 I honestly forgot that Talk to Me came out last year. Yeah, it was one of my favorite films, but I just I completely forgot it came out last year. 94 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:53,000 For some reason, I assumed it came out the year before. Yeah, that one's so funny. 95 00:07:53,000 --> 00:08:00,000 And what a debut for those filmmakers. I know I'm I cannot wait to see what else they have in store for us. 96 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:05,000 Yeah. So I saw Saw X. Okay. 97 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:15,000 Which was kind of interesting for me because I know I saw the first few and then I kind of trailed off on the latter half of the series. 98 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:24,000 But I've been hearing such interesting things about Saw X. So I thought I'd throw it on. I have conflicting kind of feelings about it. 99 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:34,000 I don't like how they humanized Jigsaw. I think it was weird. I don't think we should be feeling bad for his character. 100 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:41,000 He's done some pretty heinous evil shit. And the whole movie, you kind of feel bad for him. 101 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:51,000 And that kind of turned me off of the film a little bit. But then once we got into the actual games, it was like, okay, this is Saw. 102 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:59,000 But I have to say some of these games were disgusting. Like, I don't know if I've just gotten to the age where I can't handle that I'm out of gore anymore. 103 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:06,000 But I was wincing and turning away. It was just it was borderline too much for me. 104 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:10,000 The one on the poster has to do with eyeballs, right? Yeah. But it was good. 105 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:19,000 I'm not going to say anything about that in case you want to see it. But it's it was it's worth a watch. I'll say that much. It's worth a watch. 106 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:26,000 I had fun with it. Besides that major point, I was able to kind of like look past it and keep watching. 107 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:33,000 So it was okay. Yeah, I would definitely recommend people check it out if you if you like the Saw series. Definitely. Yeah. 108 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:42,000 But yeah, I also saw Totally Killer, which was a really fun movie on Prime. 109 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:49,000 It was just it was a really good time. It dealt with a little bit of time travel. It was it was just good. It was fun. 110 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:56,000 Highly recommend. And then I saw this one. I absolutely adored. 111 00:09:56,000 --> 00:10:05,000 It was a really, really, really good movie. It's called No One Will Save You. Oh, I was wanting to watch this. 112 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:13,000 No One Will Save You was such a treat. It was not what I was expecting. 113 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:21,000 It was a great take in that subgenre. I'm not going to say much because I don't want to spoil it for you. 114 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:29,000 Once you know stuff about it, it like that's it. So I think you should go into the movie not knowing much about it. 115 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:36,000 But it was very enjoyable. The acting was really well done. The sound design was impeccable. 116 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:43,000 It was a great film. And I definitely recommend. Oh, that's exciting. Yeah. Yeah. It's very fun. Yeah. I've been wanting to watch that. 117 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:53,000 Well, I guess looking at what we're most excited for in twenty twenty four to come out, I would say for me personally, 118 00:10:53,000 --> 00:11:01,000 I am most excited for Robert Eggers Nosratu. Yeah, I cannot wait to see what he does. 119 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:13,000 Because like, you know, it's a silent film. What German expressionism like I want to see what Robert Eggers does with that, like the style. 120 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:19,000 Yeah. Just the look of it, the acting. And Robert Eggers puts out really good, really good film. 121 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:25,000 So, yeah, that's definitely like attention to detail. Yeah. I'm just so excited. 122 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:32,000 And what Bill Skarsgard is supposed to play really good cast. Yeah. Oh, man. 123 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:41,000 That one. And well, obviously, Maxine. Yes. Oh, I feel like I had another one. 124 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:53,000 Oh, yeah. OK. Another another one that we've just been getting some like just snippets like little teasers for by neon is Long Legs. 125 00:11:53,000 --> 00:12:00,000 So they've been releasing a couple 30 second teasers online that are very cryptic. 126 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:11,000 There's like little images of symbols spliced between just like these images that give no information. It's just like a very eerie. 127 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:20,000 So image when I first saw one of the little mini trailers for that, I wasn't sure what it was. 128 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:28,000 And I started watching it and I got a little freaked out not because it was scary, but I thought it was going to be like one of those jumpscare videos. 129 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:35,000 So I turned it off. It does feel like that. But like, I really like how they're doing the marketing. 130 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:42,000 I guess spearheading the marketing is just like super simple and they're not giving you a lot, but I'm already like super intrigued. 131 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:49,000 I'm very I'm very much liking this like new emphasis on marketing for horror films. Yeah. 132 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:56,000 It's always so effective, especially specifically with horror. It's always been such a like good marriage. 133 00:12:56,000 --> 00:13:03,000 You see it with, you know, back with Blair Witch project. Yeah. And even before that, you know. Yeah, definitely. 134 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:06,000 It's very effective for horror movies. Absolutely. 135 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:11,000 I don't think I have one particular movie that I'm really looking forward to this year. 136 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:18,000 I think I'm just looking forward to all of these movies coming out this year. There's stuff. Yeah. 137 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:25,000 I'm just I'm so looking forward to new things. And I think we have quite a hefty list ahead of us. 138 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:30,000 And I have just learned that I shouldn't over hype myself about anything. Right. 139 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:34,000 And just kind of take it as it comes and see if I enjoy it, see if I don't. Totally. 140 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:40,000 So I'm just kind of excited for a new year of films. Yeah. Yeah. For real. 141 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:47,000 Wee! Well, yeah, that I mean, that wraps up our little recap. Yeah, definitely. 142 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:55,000 I guess on to the main episode. Yeah. So, Krissa, do you want to kind of explain our episodes? 143 00:13:55,000 --> 00:14:09,000 Yeah. So I thought a cool idea would be to start a little series within the podcast where we each installment of this series. 144 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:17,000 Christine and I will pick a film that is inspired or based on true events. 145 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:28,000 And we will not tell each other which one we're doing and we'll kind of like ask what we'll tell Adam what our picks are so we can see that we're not doing the same movie, hopefully. 146 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:33,000 Yes. And if one does, we'll just have to choose which one does it anyway. 147 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:41,000 And then we present it to each other. So we get a little, you know, surprise, a little excitement to learn from each other about what inspired this film. 148 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:48,000 And just to see like, sorry if you hear heavy breathing, that's belly. 149 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:51,000 That's a ghost. That's a ghost. 150 00:14:51,000 --> 00:15:13,000 But yeah, it's just we'll describe the events that the movie was based on or inspired by because there's some really interesting stories behind some of these films, and then just see like how it's been twisted and like adapted into either a whole new film or you know, some of these movies are solely based on that subject matter like it is the story. 151 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,000 Yeah, definitely. 152 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,000 Yeah. 153 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,000 Who should go first? I don't know. 154 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,000 Are you more excited? Yes, I can go first. 155 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:23,000 Okay. 156 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:31,000 So my chosen film for our episode today is 2005 Wolf Creek. 157 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:35,000 Oh, okay. 158 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:50,000 Written and directed and produced by Greg McLean. This is a horror film based on the true events combining two of Australia's most notorious serial killers Bradley Murdoch and Ivan Millet. 159 00:15:50,000 --> 00:16:05,000 So, Millet has killed at least seven people between the years of 1989 and 1993, and famously became known as the backpack killings these murders. 160 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:22,000 His first two victims were discovered by runners. 161 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:38,000 In September of 1992, police discovered and later confirmed the bodies were those of Caroline Clark and Joanna Walters Walters had been stabbed repeatedly and Clark had been shot repeatedly. 162 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:43,000 Police guessed that Clark was used as target practice. 163 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:45,000 Oh my god. 164 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:53,000 A few years later, a human skull was discovered and, and hold on. 165 00:16:53,000 --> 00:17:04,000 A few years later a human skull was discovered in a secluded area, which led to the discovery of bodies of Deborah Everest and James Gibson. 166 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:10,000 These people had gone missing in 1993. 167 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:18,000 As more time went on more bodies were being discovered, and the police were all linking this to Millet. 168 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:35,000 One of Millet's victims managed to escape and his name was Paul onions. Paul worked with detectives eventually confirm and convict Millet, they identified him and he also identified I think his car. 169 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,000 And that's what brought him down. 170 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:46,000 So Millet was found guilty in July of 1999, and he remained incarcerated until the day he died. 171 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:52,000 Nice, which I don't have that exact date, but it was a while ago. 172 00:17:52,000 --> 00:18:12,000 So our second serial killer Murdoch was, he was famously known for killing an English backpacker named Peter the land Cino, a 28 year old tourist who disappeared in Australia. 173 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:26,000 This case caught attention of not only local news but national news. And this kind of happened in the wake of Millet's previous killings. 174 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:33,000 So people were kind of more on edge. And so more and more people were kind of catching on to what was happening. 175 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:48,000 So Paul was traveling with his girlfriend Joanna, when they were spotted by the stranger who turned out to be Murdoch Murdoch pulled them over or tried to speak to them and let them know that their car had appeared to be malfunctioning. 176 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:53,000 Lee said that the two pulled over to take a look at the car when the stranger pulled out a gun. 177 00:18:53,000 --> 00:19:06,000 Lee managed to escape. But it was not after unfortunately, she freed herself from being bound with tape and was sexually assaulted. 178 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:17,000 Lee was a person to identify Murdoch from police, police photos, and Murdoch was found guilty in December of 2005. 179 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:25,000 So Greg McLean wrote the original story for Wolf Creek before he learned about the killings of Millet and Murdoch. 180 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:32,000 He wrote the story, and it was purely fictional horror film set in the Australian outback. 181 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:41,000 He later became aware of the true cases, and he took ideas and cues from that and blended it into his story which is Wolf Creek today. 182 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:48,000 This eventually brought more attention and light to the killings of both Millet and Murdoch. 183 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:53,000 So Wolf Creek itself is just, it's pretty scary. 184 00:19:53,000 --> 00:20:00,000 The film does take a bit to kick in but the later half of the film is just soaked with gore and is honestly nightmare fuel. 185 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:06,000 It is so sad. It is so unrelenting and it just, once it kind of kicks in, it doesn't let go. 186 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:19,000 But I think what makes it even scarier is that the character of Mick, the villain, he just kind of continues to embed that humor even when he is hurting people. 187 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:23,000 And it makes it that much scarier. 188 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:27,000 There's not really much that's left to the imagination of this film. 189 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:31,000 When the torture kind of kicks in, it shows you everything. 190 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:36,000 The camera does not shy away so it is a little intense in that respect. 191 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:51,000 I'm honestly not entirely sure if some of this film kind of shows the gruesome kind of reality of what Millet and Murdoch had done to their victims. 192 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:56,000 But it was clear enough to make me not want to travel to Australia. 193 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,000 At least not the outback. 194 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:04,000 But that is the story of Wolf Creek and how it ties into true events. 195 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:10,000 I actually have seen that film. You might have showed me it, to be honest, a while ago. 196 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:17,000 Wolf Creek is pretty, I'm going to be blunt, pretty fucked up. That movie is intense. 197 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:20,000 There is a sequel. 198 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,000 Yeah, I was going to say, isn't there? 199 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:29,000 There is a sequel and I think there's a series about it too. I have not watched the series. 200 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,000 I'm not even sure if I've seen the sequel. 201 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,000 But yeah, Wolf Creek is pretty intense. 202 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:42,000 I mean, there's a lot of content that, you know, like, based off serial killers. 203 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:49,000 Because yeah, I mean, they are like some true real life horror, like monsters. 204 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:55,000 I just think it's kind of interesting how he didn't know about the cases. 205 00:21:55,000 --> 00:22:00,000 But then eventually wrote them into the story, which I think makes it a little bit more menacing. 206 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,000 That he drew ideas from that. 207 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:16,000 But I guess it lent some, I guess, I don't know, more detail to go off of in the most fucked up way. 208 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:17,000 Absolutely. 209 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:25,000 Can I read you the plot synopsis of the movie and how closely it kind of sounds like the murders of both Murdoch and Millet? 210 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:42,000 So a chilling factually based story of three road trippers in the remote territory of Australia who plunged into danger when they accept help from a friendly local. 211 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:54,000 So Christy, Ben and Liz are the three friends in their 20s who set out to hike through the scenic Wolf Creek National Park in the Australia Outback. 212 00:22:54,000 --> 00:23:03,000 Then trouble begins when they find out their car won't start and they run into the local Bushmen named Mick Taylor. 213 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:17,000 So same kind of set up as the way that some of these men killed their victims where they were tourists, they were backpackers, they were left in kind of a vulnerable state and then they preyed on them. 214 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:18,000 Yeah. 215 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,000 Oh man, that's fucked up. 216 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:21,000 Yeah. 217 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:25,000 Might make you look at Wolf Creek a little different. 218 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:26,000 You know what's funny? 219 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,000 Because this is kind of like the reverse of it. 220 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:32,000 But I'm pretty sure My Favorite Murder has an episode on the serial killers. 221 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,000 Oh, no way. 222 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,000 But they like mentioned like, oh, there was a movie. 223 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:36,000 There's a movie about it. 224 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:37,000 How funny. 225 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:38,000 So we just zibbidy doodah. 226 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,000 No, that's cool. 227 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,000 And there's, it's a good Australian horror film. 228 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,000 There's a lot more information on both men. 229 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:56,000 But I just figured I'd probably leave out the gruesome bits because it's, it's pretty f'd up what they speculated were done to these people. 230 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,000 So it happened to real people. 231 00:23:58,000 --> 00:23:59,000 Yeah. 232 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:00,000 And I don't want to. 233 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,000 Nothing to laugh. 234 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,000 Yeah. 235 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,000 Yeah. 236 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,000 Wolf Creek. 237 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:09,000 Give it a watch if you know, if it's not for the faint of heart. 238 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,000 It's not for the faint of heart. 239 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:16,000 But if you're curious and you like horror, I definitely suggest giving it a watch. 240 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:22,000 So the film I'm doing is the classic Nightmare on Elm Street. 241 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,000 Oh, yes. 242 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:31,000 And I don't know if you know, maybe there's a lot of people that don't know it is based on true events. 243 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:35,000 It kind of sounds weird because you think of it and it seems pretty kind of fantastical of an idea. 244 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,000 And obviously they do take creative liberties. 245 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:48,000 But it's honestly surprising how similar like stuff in the movie is based on some true events. 246 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:49,000 Yeah. 247 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:55,000 So 1984's Nightmare on Elm Street directed by Wes Craven. 248 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,000 Bless. 249 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:14,000 So my research is primarily based from an interview with Wes Craven for Cine Fantastique magazine and then an LA Times article, which is the articles that Wes Craven had read that inspired him. 250 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,000 Okay. 251 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:28,000 Nice. So basically Wes Craven had read three articles from the LA Times that covered stories about men from Southeast Asia who had died in the middle of nightmares. 252 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:41,000 And this phenomenon, at least in the articles he read, particularly revolved around Cambodian like Laos, Cambodia refugees. 253 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:51,000 But it was found that this phenomenon had occurred with populations in the Philippines, Vietnam, Cambodia, Japan, not in China though. 254 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,000 But yeah, so Southeast Asia. 255 00:25:53,000 --> 00:26:00,000 And basically, Wes Craven had read of a case of a son of a physician. 256 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:14,000 And this son would force himself to stay awake and as much as his family would plead for him to get sleep, he would say something like, you don't understand, I've had nightmares before, this is different. 257 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:20,000 They were like kind of describing something in his nightmares and he did not want to go to sleep. 258 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:24,000 As if something was going to get him potentially. 259 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:35,000 And his family would give him sleeping pills because he was forcing himself to stay awake so much but like he stayed up for a few more days until finally he did fall asleep. 260 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:41,000 They took him to his room, and then they heard him cry out and heard crashing sounds. 261 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:45,000 And then when they got to him, he was dead. 262 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:57,000 And they they had found a coffee pot in his closet and the sleeping pills he had like spit out and saved on the side because he was that paranoid and that like, just not wanting to go to sleep. 263 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,000 Crazy. 264 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:05,000 And there was no evidence of a heart attack, which is true for a bunch of these cases. 265 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:10,000 He died from unexplained reasons in his sleep. 266 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:20,000 And in the LA Times article that I read, which was from 1987, which was kind of cool, by Larry Doyle. 267 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:30,000 He describes that he describes at least 130 cases of this unexplained death during sleep in Southeast Asian refugees. 268 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,000 Way more than I thought. 269 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:41,000 And like, they have different names for it in different languages like in the Philippines, they have this name for it in Japan. 270 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:54,000 There's another name, but they all roughly translate to nightmare death, or like night terror, which is so eerie and obviously you can see how that plays into nightmare on Elm Street. 271 00:27:54,000 --> 00:28:04,000 And so this LA Times article further describes Dr. Robert Kirchner, who is the deputy Cook County medical examiner. 272 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:16,000 He did a systematic study of this phenomenon in specifically looking at 18 autopsies of victims, and they all showed no prior symptoms or medical issues. 273 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:21,000 They were healthy younger men with an average age of 33. 274 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:27,000 And he found that it only had occurred in men and only in their sleep. 275 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:34,000 They cry out and die or are found the next morning just dead of a sudden heart stoppage. 276 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:43,000 And again, there's, it's just kind of unexplained like, again, no prior symptoms, no medical, like history of medical issues. 277 00:28:43,000 --> 00:29:08,000 He, he did find that all 18 hearts were slightly enlarged and 17 of the 18 hearts showed defects in their conduction systems, which the conduction system, medical school, the conduction system is the array of fibers that carries electronic impulses from the brain to the heart. 278 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:15,000 The fibers were frayed and curled as if their hearts just shorted out. 279 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:28,000 In Kirchner's theory, something at night, like a random electronic discharge may have overloaded their defective hearts. 280 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:34,000 But it's like what did that, what was, what caused that random electronic discharge, you know. 281 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:41,000 And I guess there were studies of Caucasian men who had died suddenly and they did not show the same defect in the heart. 282 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:55,000 So yeah, like what caused this, what caused the defect or what caused it to short out and why is it, you know, it's only in men and only during their sleep is very weird. 283 00:29:55,000 --> 00:30:04,000 And he also did posit that like maybe it could be genetic, you know, but stress could also play a factor. 284 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:18,000 These were refugees and especially like the Cambodian refugees at that time were fleeing the genocide in Cambodia or, you know, who knows what stress, especially like moving to another country or just another place and like trying to settle in. 285 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:25,000 But you would think stress would lead to a heart attack, not just like your heart magically stopping. That's so crazy. 286 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:29,000 And in your sleep, like, oh my, you know, yeah, it's so weird. 287 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:35,000 And yeah, most deaths occurred within two years of the refugees like arriving in their new homeland. 288 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,000 That's wild. 289 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:52,000 Yeah, it was, it's, it's so, it's just so eerie and you can obviously see how that inspired Nightmare on Elm Street, but it is really cool. 290 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,000 Well, okay, it's not cool. 291 00:30:55,000 --> 00:31:13,000 I like to see the similarities of like that one story of this son of this of the physician taking like, they were trying to his parents trying to make him take sleeping pills because obviously they're worried about him you sleep, and then them fighting it so hard, because he's like scared. 292 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:26,000 And then like spitting out the sleeping pills having a coffee pot in the room is just very reminiscent of what you see in the movie with a, yeah, Heather Lang and Camp's character and Johnny Depp trying to keep themselves awake. 293 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:38,000 I think this is so much eerie than for instance like my story of Wolf Creek because Wolf Creek is a person like there's, it's a person who's doing this you know the outcome you know what happened to these poor people. 294 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:43,000 Like, yours, like a nightmare on Elm Street, there's no explanation. 295 00:31:43,000 --> 00:32:02,000 Yeah, this day nobody knows what happened to these men. Yeah, that's scary. It is scary and, ooh, I don't know it's just, it is so interesting that it specifically happened in these southeastern Asian refugees like that's very specific part of the world. 296 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:25,000 Super specific. Yeah. You know who knows what goes into it I don't know if food certain foods or you know who knows like, I'm sure they've studied it. Well obviously they, some people did study it but um, that'd be really interesting to see if they could go back and like do more research on it nowadays since we have like a lot more technology. 297 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:30,000 Right. Yeah, that would be interesting. But then it might ruin the allure of the film. 298 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:43,000 You know, um, but yeah what a like way to, yeah, to really amplify that for a horror film and just create one of the most iconic horror characters of all time. 299 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:51,000 And being that like, yeah, just, I can't go to sleep because this thing's going to get me. 300 00:32:51,000 --> 00:33:01,000 But yeah, I thought that I remember, I remember hearing that this was based on true events briefly and probably some documentary on Nightmare on Elm Street and I was like, what? 301 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:16,000 I didn't realize it was so many like I remember hearing something similar to this but like I just assumed it was one person. I know. Not that it was like a phenomena of like men in a certain area that's crazy. 302 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:29,000 Yeah, in the 1987 LA Times article he has mentioned like at least 130 cases. That's crazy. But he, that Dr. Kirschner had looked at 18 copies. 303 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:43,000 It's definitely, will make me never watch that movie the same way again. I know, it's so sad. Yeah. It's scary. I don't mean to laugh, like I'm laughing because I'm uncomfortable. That's like, it's so creepy. 304 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:47,000 Yeah, that would make you not sleep, you know, be scared to sleep besides them. 305 00:33:47,000 --> 00:34:01,000 Would you be able to keep yourself awake if like something was scaring you to sleep because me personally, I feel like I get to a certain point where my eyes just close like I have no control over it. 306 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:05,000 Same, I think it could last two days. 307 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:27,000 I think I could do like a single day. I think I could do 24 hours before my body's like, nope, you're going to bed. I know. When you said 33 year olds like, and then you were like men, I was like, uh, uh oh, uh oh, uh oh. 308 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:35,000 What's gonna happen to you? No, I hope not. Cut that out. That was terrible for me to say. Fuck that. 309 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:39,000 Let's cut that out. 310 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,000 Don't fall asleep. 311 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:57,000 It hasn't. It's not a current phenomenon. This is back in the 80s, which inspired the film. Again, they had mentioned that like, they've observed this happens within two years of them like migrating. 312 00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:12,000 And then it started to fall off after the two years. So presumably when they got more comfortable. So like, yeah, there's a lot of factors that could have caused this. But I don't know. It's just an amalgamation of things, you know, but it's still really weird. 313 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,000 That's so really weird. So odd. 314 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:29,000 Yeah, like, those are the in their sleep and a lot of them had cried out like, you know, like they're running from something that's in their nightmare. Like that must have been so scary. Yeah. Gosh. 315 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:41,000 Well, there is also that like old wives like tales saying like, if you die in your sleep, you die in real life. Oh my god. Yeah. Yeah. 316 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:56,000 Don't die in your dreams. Yeah, it's so such. I don't mean to joke. This is a really serious subject. Yeah. It really does provide great subject matter for a horror movie that is truly frightening. 317 00:35:56,000 --> 00:36:11,000 And then you had to put maybe putting a face especially Freddy Krueger in that kind of character putting a face to it. Yeah, lessons the it almost Yeah lessons how scary the events are because it's like, you can attribute it to something. 318 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:21,000 Yeah, yeah, definitely. Whereas the real events are just super unknown. Yeah. Yeah. So sorry, Freddie, you're not about scared. 319 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:50,000 He's gonna visit you tonight. No, please. I want to prime time that bitch podcast. Adam, do you have any films that you can think of that, like are based on true events or are, you know, true stories that you could recall maybe like one or two that you either know something about or just super interested in. 320 00:36:50,000 --> 00:37:04,000 I definitely have a few for future episodes but yeah, definitely don't have to go into full detail about it but just anything that you've seen over time that have been like, oh, that true event. Yes. Behind that story kind of makes me want to wonder what happened there. 321 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:25,000 Yeah, like, it was surprising that you you saw it was based on true events. Yeah. No, I can't really think of any I know that for a nightmare on home street. I mean, I can only imagine that a lot of it has to do with like, I mean, Laos is one of the most bombed countries ever. 322 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:40,000 Yeah, you know, and if you look at some of the pictures of like the victims. They, they look like burn victims like Freddie Krueger. And so I feel like my heart, like, I don't know. 323 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:52,000 But they said like a lot of the connection or a lot of the cases were like, yeah, specifically lao Asian, like, people of them among descent stuff which. 324 00:37:52,000 --> 00:38:00,000 I guess it does make Freddie Krueger kind of scary when you think about it after that factoid. Yeah. 325 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:13,000 And when I say like stress play plays a factor for some of these people that stress was like really bad, you know, from really traumatic events that they were fleeing. 326 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:27,000 So, I mean, that that is probably obviously stirred nightmares. And yeah, maybe it did. It was some electronic impulse from such vivid, horrifying nightmares that was enough to cause that. 327 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:36,000 It could have even been like some sort of case of PSD in your nightmare. Yeah. You know, but it is interesting because the hearts in the study, you know, had the certain defect. 328 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:43,000 And it's like, I wonder what that defect was from and how that played into it. Caucasian men or whatever. 329 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:55,000 It was like the pairing of, yeah, maybe such a vivid traumatizing nightmare causing that electronic overload in their heart. 330 00:38:55,000 --> 00:39:02,000 But it's like, you know, if they didn't have that defect in their conduction system in the heart, like, would they have died? 331 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:14,000 It's just so weird. Yeah, there's too many like what ifs and. Yeah. Oh, man. Yeah, that really adds a lot of layers to those films that I don't think I could watch it again. 332 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:24,000 As humorous and not as, you know, because it's become such a like pop culture icon. Yeah, absolutely. 333 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:32,000 That you kind of, you know, particularly get scared by them. I mean, Freddie himself is a pop culture icon where he's just like cracking jokes left and right. 334 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:36,000 But this makes it a little more menacing and especially the first one. 335 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:43,000 I think it makes it more menacing because he talks the least in the first one. He doesn't get the humor until later on. 336 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:52,000 So and then adding like this back story, it's like, wow, this is this is. Yeah, this is a lot. 337 00:39:52,000 --> 00:40:04,000 Yeah, dang. Yeah. Look into it. I'm sure there's more interviews with Westgrave and talking about it if you're interested or if you want to take a look at the studies or the articles yourself. 338 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:12,000 Yeah, just look it up online. But very interesting. Absolutely. And I think if you're brave enough, you should watch both movies. 339 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:18,000 Yeah. That's your double feature. Yeah. For the night. 340 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:28,000 No, that's cool. I do look forward to doing more of these. I do too. There's a lot of there's a lot of movies out there with some crazy events that inspired them. 341 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:41,000 This was really insightful because I feel like we all kind of know like the base like the very tip of the iceberg on some of the knowledge of these films that are based on true events. 342 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:52,000 And I think to do such like dig deep on these it uncovers stuff that's just kind of interesting. Yeah. And it kind of makes them a little dark. Yeah. Yeah. 343 00:40:52,000 --> 00:41:06,000 And then for any buddy looking to make horror content out there. Maybe there's some inspirational look at some true events to see what can inspire not not is not going to that. 344 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:18,000 I just get it. I just get it in that way. To make to make their own films, but like their own stories. Yeah. But you you got to respect. You know, you got to respect. Oh, yeah, absolutely. 345 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:28,000 Especially especially when real people are involved. I think there needs to be why you turn it into a metaphor or like very loosely based and make your own. 346 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:42,000 But yeah, there's a lot of, you know, horrifying stuff that happens in the world that inspires certain things. And it is it's kind of interesting to think that horror movies can be like a way. 347 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:57,000 Well, yeah, I mean, horror movies are a way they make it easy easier for you to face like horrific things, you know, especially when they're when yeah, they kind of adapt real life events. 348 00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:12,000 It's like an easier way to digest and kind of like face things from a safe space. Oh, absolutely. They're cathartic. They're a way for you to process really heavy events. Exactly. Exactly. 349 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:33,000 And I think it's like really interesting how much horror plays like a part in where we are in the world and how sometimes it's a reflection of where we are in the world and it makes it a more digestible way for us to kind of understand and reflect like where we are as either a society or with world events or anything like that. 350 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:46,000 So it's really it's really interesting. Yeah, the part of me was going to say like it's kind of weird to think that because you know horror movies you think of as like, oh, that's, you know, I don't want to or small. 351 00:42:46,000 --> 00:43:00,000 We want to watch it. But like some people it's like, oh, that's really hard to stomach or whatever. But in a way, it's actually less horrific than like the real thing. Yeah, absolutely. Because obviously everything we just said. 352 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:12,000 Oh man, hell of an episode. Hell of an episode. We're back baby. 353 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:28,000 Sorry, yeah, I'm a little tired. I think I'm gonna maybe go take a little nap before we start our next episode. Okay, Christine, I think I don't think that's such a good idea. Did you not hear when we just talked about it? No, no, no, but it's okay. I'm just I think like a quick little cat nap like 15 minutes or so. 354 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:34,000 Okay, I'll be right back. 355 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:39,000 One, two, Freddy's coming for you. 356 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:43,000 Three, four, better lock your door. 357 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:49,000 Five, six, seven, eight. 358 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,000 I'm dead. 359 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:55,000 Nine, ten, Freddy's coming again. 360 00:43:55,000 --> 00:44:00,000 Is that what it is? Never sleep again? Never. Oh, I don't know.