1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,100 Hi everyone, this is Deb from Dying to be Found. 2 00:00:03,100 --> 00:00:12,340 Before we get started, I just wanted to say that episodes contain disturbing discussions on harmful acts and crimes against animals and or humankind. 3 00:00:12,340 --> 00:00:18,580 Recordings are not intended for young or sensitive audiences due to the content nature of this podcast. 4 00:00:18,580 --> 00:00:21,240 Listener discretion is strongly advised. 5 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:25,520 Hi everyone, I'm Deb. 6 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:26,800 And I'm Beth. 7 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:30,320 Welcome back to Dying to be Found True Crime Podcast. 8 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:33,160 If you're new here, thanks so much for listening. 9 00:00:33,160 --> 00:00:41,480 My sister Beth is here to help me out with today's episode, which is always fun because Beth, we don't talk so much in between anymore. 10 00:00:41,480 --> 00:00:46,440 I know we just have busy lives, so it's always a new experience getting in touch with you again. 11 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:47,640 Yes, it is. 12 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:48,200 Yeah. 13 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:54,720 So with that, just make sure you're checking out all of our episodes because sometimes you'll get my sister Beth. 14 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:56,640 Sometimes you get my daughter Shelby. 15 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:58,800 And sometimes you get my son Corey. 16 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:03,680 Just depends on the mood and what you want to listen to because every episode is different. 17 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:06,360 And then I'll just throw in one more little thing, Beth. 18 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:17,600 If anybody out there is interested in listening to just short stories or even collabs with other podcasters that I like to listen to, head on over to Dying to be Found The Dash. 19 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:22,720 You will find it under a very similar logo like we have with Dying to be Found. 20 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,160 So head on over there and check that one out as well. 21 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:28,400 Check it out, folks. 22 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:29,760 Anything going on with you, Beth? 23 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,480 It has been a couple of weeks since we talked. 24 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:33,760 Gosh, it has. 25 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:39,480 No, I worked this weekend, so it's quiet and I got to do some reading. 26 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:42,680 I'm reading a book for a book club. 27 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:44,200 Oh, good. 28 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:48,720 Are you one of these people that has to, when you start a book, you have to finish it? 29 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,600 Yes. 30 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:55,040 I think I am too, but I'll tell you what, I'll start a book. 31 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:59,760 Let's just say that I have some downtime, maybe the electricity is out in the wintertime. 32 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:00,720 I'll start a book. 33 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:04,560 I'll get halfway through it and then life gets back to normal again. 34 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:07,120 It can be three years before I finish that book. 35 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:08,560 Get out of here. 36 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:09,240 Uh-huh. 37 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:10,160 But it does. 38 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,000 It sits on my bedside table and I look at it. 39 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,680 But by gosh, I finish it. 40 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:17,280 My gosh. 41 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,800 If I waited that long, I wouldn't finish it. 42 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:22,000 In fact, I almost stopped finishing it. 43 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:27,560 I was almost finished reading it when I was a third of the way through and I thought, 44 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:31,240 no, just give it a couple more pages and then it picked up again. 45 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:32,240 So. 46 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:33,240 Oh, good. 47 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:34,240 Yeah. 48 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:35,240 That's good. 49 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:36,240 All right. 50 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:37,240 What else? 51 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:38,240 Anything else going on? 52 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:39,240 No, you? 53 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:40,240 No, I've had some downtime here. 54 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:41,240 I put out some notices. 55 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:43,640 I got laryngitis or something a couple of weeks ago. 56 00:02:43,640 --> 00:02:46,720 I have never been hit by pollen this hard in my life. 57 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:49,400 It has just been, ugh, it's been a struggle. 58 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:53,520 But yeah, I took some downtime and I thought, you know what, maybe I just need to step back 59 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:54,520 a little bit. 60 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:56,200 So I'm really toying. 61 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:59,040 This would be something that will affect our audience space. 62 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:04,360 I'm toying with just going to every two weeks on Dine to be Found, but I'll definitely let 63 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:07,040 people know on the direction I'm going to go with that. 64 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,560 So other than that, no, everything's good. 65 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:10,560 Good. 66 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:12,360 So what are we doing today? 67 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:16,180 So we're going to be talking about a bank heist. 68 00:03:16,180 --> 00:03:21,440 And I originally had this one prepared for Corey, but the more I thought about it, the 69 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:26,160 more I thought, well, first of all, I just did a bank heist with him, with the Brian 70 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:28,400 Wells, if you have heard that one. 71 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:29,400 Right. 72 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:33,920 Now this one here, I think you're going to remember, but before I go into this, I wanted 73 00:03:33,920 --> 00:03:38,320 to know if you have ever heard of the term Stockholm syndrome. 74 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,840 I didn't until this particular case. 75 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:45,880 I don't want to give things away, so I'm not going to say. 76 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:47,700 You can say because it's in the title. 77 00:03:47,700 --> 00:03:51,360 People chose this podcast to listen to today because of the title. 78 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:52,560 Okay. 79 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:57,480 We are talking about Patty Hearst today and you were saying Beth, she started feeling 80 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:02,000 sorry for and was on the side of the bad guys. 81 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,120 Yeah, exactly. 82 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:10,320 Let me just tell you, I thought that Stockholm syndrome came from the Patty Hearst case. 83 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,040 I thought that's where it was first pegged, but it wasn't. 84 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:18,560 It got its name from a famous bank heist that took place in the 1970s shortly before the 85 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:20,920 Patty Hearst case. 86 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:24,160 To answer your question, what is Stockholm syndrome? 87 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:29,240 Like you said, Beth, it's a psychological response to being held captive where that 88 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:34,520 person being held against their will begins to sympathize with their captors. 89 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:35,640 So just like you said. 90 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:36,640 Yeah. 91 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:41,760 How did you find that out about the other case with Stockholm syndrome in your research 92 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:42,760 on Patty? 93 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:48,420 I did because I've heard the term Stockholm syndrome quite a bit since we've been recording 94 00:04:48,420 --> 00:04:55,920 and this is not the first time I looked it up or even referenced it in our podcast because 95 00:04:55,920 --> 00:05:00,920 since I associated Patty Hearst with Stockholm syndrome, I wanted to see if this is where 96 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:02,520 everything originated. 97 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:09,700 But no, there was another case where a man in Stockholm, Sweden, who robbed a bank and 98 00:05:09,700 --> 00:05:11,800 he took people hostage. 99 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:18,800 It's kind of a prequel to the Patty Hearst ordeal because even though this bank robbery 100 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:24,860 occurred back in the early seventies, Patty Hearst truly is the one who is mainly associated 101 00:05:24,860 --> 00:05:25,860 with this. 102 00:05:25,860 --> 00:05:29,320 And then of course, you know, going forward, you always have people apply. 103 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:33,840 But did you know that there is no such thing as Stockholm syndrome? 104 00:05:33,840 --> 00:05:34,840 What? 105 00:05:34,840 --> 00:05:35,840 It's just a term. 106 00:05:35,840 --> 00:05:36,840 Oh, okay. 107 00:05:36,840 --> 00:05:39,720 And do you know why? 108 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:40,720 No. 109 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:47,560 There has never been a formal study on the Stockholm syndrome and how people being held 110 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:53,760 captive do associate or do begin to sympathize with their captors. 111 00:05:53,760 --> 00:06:00,160 There's never been a formal study statistically or scientifically to solidify that Stockholm 112 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:01,960 syndrome even exists. 113 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:02,960 Intriguing. 114 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:03,960 All right. 115 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:09,420 Well, let me tell you about what happened to kind of lead into the Patty Hearst case. 116 00:06:09,420 --> 00:06:16,800 On August 23rd, 1973, Jan Erik Olsen entered a bank in Stockholm, Sweden and simply began 117 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:17,800 shooting. 118 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:19,320 I think he might have shot up in the air. 119 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:23,600 Beth, I don't think he shot anybody on purpose or specifically. 120 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,720 He was just trying to get people's attention. 121 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:33,740 And he did end up taking three hostages until he discovered after probably some people were 122 00:06:33,740 --> 00:06:38,340 let out of the bank or people just kind of dispersed in different directions, he discovered 123 00:06:38,340 --> 00:06:41,300 a fourth person hiding inside the bank. 124 00:06:41,300 --> 00:06:48,600 So he had four hostages back in 1973 and things didn't actually go as he had planned here. 125 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:52,560 Olsen planned his bank robbery with two factors in mind. 126 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:53,560 Okay. 127 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:59,840 So this is the thought process of just an everyday ordinary citizen with some sinister 128 00:06:59,840 --> 00:07:00,840 behavior. 129 00:07:00,840 --> 00:07:01,840 Okay? 130 00:07:01,840 --> 00:07:02,840 Okay. 131 00:07:02,840 --> 00:07:06,640 Number one, there was a major political campaign going on at the time. 132 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:11,920 So Olsen planned this bank robbery around that political campaign. 133 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:19,000 And number two, Sweden citizens on a whole naturally steer away from any forms of violence. 134 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:25,320 So basically, Beth, Olsen was thinking that if he were to rob a bank, no one would resist 135 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:33,600 his attempts to rob that bank because Swedish citizens are nicer than Canadians. 136 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:39,040 I know stereotypically Canadians are nice, but apparently Swedish people are nicer. 137 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,360 So yeah, I'm stereotyping right now. 138 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:45,720 Well, stereotype, keep us Canadians up there. 139 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:47,060 Yeah. 140 00:07:47,060 --> 00:07:53,640 So Olsen planned his bank robbery between the political campaign and the fact that Swedish 141 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:58,720 citizens were naturally nice people and wouldn't resist his efforts. 142 00:07:58,720 --> 00:07:59,840 How about that? 143 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:00,840 Pretty interesting. 144 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:03,160 I guess I can see his point. 145 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:06,240 You want as minimal resistance as possible, right? 146 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:07,240 Yes. 147 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:08,240 All right. 148 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:14,160 When Olsen took hostages inside the bank, he didn't exactly get what he bargained for, 149 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:19,600 at least not this go round because believe it or not, based on what I just said, Beth, 150 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:26,200 authorities refused all of his demands, which turns into a four day pretty intense hostage 151 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:30,640 situation inside that bank because the authorities were not giving in. 152 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:32,880 Apparently Olsen misjudged them. 153 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:33,880 Wow. 154 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:37,680 I don't think I've heard of a four day hostage situation. 155 00:08:37,680 --> 00:08:39,000 How many days have you heard? 156 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:40,000 Just one day. 157 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:41,800 Yeah, I guess, I don't know. 158 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:45,560 I guess he was just planning on trying to get a few things while he was in there besides 159 00:08:45,560 --> 00:08:48,520 money, but then again, he did have hostages as well. 160 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:49,760 All right. 161 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:54,680 During those four days, Olsen actually treated the hostages with kindness. 162 00:08:54,680 --> 00:08:59,480 Despite his aggressive entrance into the bank, Olsen made assurances to his hostages that 163 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:03,200 he was not going to hurt them or let them get hurt. 164 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:09,400 He actually made them as comfortable as possible in this high stress situation. 165 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:15,560 For example, Beth, Olsen untied the hostages, spoke very calmly and allowed them to call 166 00:09:15,560 --> 00:09:16,560 their families. 167 00:09:16,560 --> 00:09:17,560 How about that? 168 00:09:17,560 --> 00:09:18,560 Hmm. 169 00:09:18,560 --> 00:09:20,680 I don't even know what to say because it's so strange. 170 00:09:20,680 --> 00:09:22,080 Well, guess what? 171 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:27,240 He even consoled one hostage who could not get in touch with their family member. 172 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:29,800 I'm sure that the stress levels were really high. 173 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:35,080 They were pretty upset with the situation, obviously being held at gunpoint. 174 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:36,280 He consoled the person. 175 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:38,080 Wow, that's awful nice of him. 176 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,080 How polite. 177 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:46,040 Obviously, the police had to do something here and we know that hostage negotiators 178 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:50,520 are going to try everything in their power to minimize collateral damage. 179 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:56,440 At one point, police did have Olsen directly in their crosshairs when one of the hostages 180 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:58,080 saw what was going on. 181 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:04,240 They realized that a gun was being pointed at Olsen and they screamed at the police, 182 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,000 Beth, not to shoot. 183 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:07,000 Could you imagine? 184 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:08,000 No. 185 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:13,680 Long story short, police were eventually able to use gas to force Olsen out of the bank 186 00:10:13,680 --> 00:10:15,520 after that four day mark. 187 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:18,800 The hostages were all released safe and sound. 188 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:24,360 Now enter the commentators who said that the hostages sympathized with their captors here, 189 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:25,360 Beth. 190 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:27,920 And that's how the term Stockholm syndrome was born. 191 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:28,920 That's very interesting. 192 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:31,520 Yeah, I thought it was interesting too. 193 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:33,920 When I took a deep dive into that. 194 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,840 Well, that's why your podcasts are so good. 195 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:42,280 Because you dive deep, your listeners are even telling you. 196 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:47,680 I've had some new listeners just really say just that and I absolutely appreciate it. 197 00:10:47,680 --> 00:10:52,140 Now that we know what Stockholm syndrome is, we're going to start talking about how this 198 00:10:52,140 --> 00:10:54,120 applies to Patty Hearst. 199 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:58,760 But first, let me tell you who she is and give you a little bit of her background. 200 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:00,440 You're going to like this, Beth. 201 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:01,440 Okay. 202 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:07,340 Patricia Campbell Hearst was born on February 20th, 1954 in San Francisco, California. 203 00:11:07,340 --> 00:11:09,320 One of my favorite cities, by the way. 204 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,560 Oh, I'd love to go there. 205 00:11:12,560 --> 00:11:13,560 Have you never been? 206 00:11:13,560 --> 00:11:17,720 No, I want to see those rural houses that you always see on TV. 207 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:19,920 Oh, Beth. 208 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:21,320 That's what I love so much about it. 209 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:23,560 It is like you're there. 210 00:11:23,560 --> 00:11:26,040 Just surrounded by what you always see on TV. 211 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:27,480 There's just no comparison. 212 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:33,120 Well, Patty was the third of five daughters and grew up in a well-to-do neighborhood, 213 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:36,640 mainly because she came from a very affluent family. 214 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:42,560 Patty is the granddaughter of William Randolph Hearst, a very powerful newspaper publisher 215 00:11:42,560 --> 00:11:49,960 who pretty much shaped how journalism is reported today through all things, Beth, the tabloids. 216 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:51,320 Oh. 217 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:54,240 Beth loves her tabloids. 218 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:55,960 Yes. 219 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,480 Oh, even as a kid. 220 00:11:58,480 --> 00:11:59,480 Even as a kid. 221 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:00,480 Oh, me too. 222 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:01,480 I liked them as a kid. 223 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:02,960 I haven't read them lately. 224 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:09,240 Patty's grandfather, William Randolph Hearst, is said to have invented tabloid magazines, 225 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:14,680 which inspired Orson Welles music classic, Citizen Kane. 226 00:12:14,680 --> 00:12:17,280 Patty attended Catholic schools growing up. 227 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:20,040 She graduated early from high school. 228 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:26,560 Won some pretty prestigious awards in junior college and then went on to major in art history. 229 00:12:26,560 --> 00:12:31,400 Things were going pretty well for 19-year-old Patty Hearst in 1974. 230 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:35,320 She had just gotten engaged and recently moved in with her fiance. 231 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:37,320 This is very curious. 232 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:41,280 She seems like she has the world by the tail. 233 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:44,320 That she does, a very well-rounded family for sure. 234 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:45,320 Yes. 235 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:48,160 Now, here's where things are going to take a turn. 236 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:55,180 According to FBI files, around 9 p.m. on February 4th, 1974, Patty Hearst received unexpected 237 00:12:55,180 --> 00:13:03,320 visitors in her flat at 2603 Benvenue Street, apartment 4 in Berkeley, California. 238 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:08,620 Patty heard a knock at the door and when she answered, several men and women burst inside. 239 00:13:08,620 --> 00:13:12,960 The intruders proceeded to beat Patty's fiance up, who was home at the time. 240 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:18,560 They grabbed Patty, tied her up, blindfolded her, and led her off only to be thrown in 241 00:13:18,560 --> 00:13:21,440 the trunk of their car before speeding off. 242 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:22,440 Wow. 243 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:24,440 Just wow. 244 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:30,240 Well, this kidnapping, Beth, was no accident. 245 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:37,080 Patty had just been kidnapped by the Symbionese Liberation Army, also known as the SLA, who 246 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:42,780 were known as domestic terrorists that used guerrilla warfare against the U.S. government. 247 00:13:42,780 --> 00:13:45,800 Adding fact here, I thought this was really odd. 248 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:50,400 The SLA only consisted of about 12 members, Beth. 249 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:51,400 Get out. 250 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:52,400 Yeah. 251 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:57,160 So it wasn't really a big radical group and it wasn't money that they were after here. 252 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:02,840 The SLA had planned Patty's kidnapping to get the country's attention, kind of like 253 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:03,840 Olsen did. 254 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,360 Oh, they sure did, didn't they? 255 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:08,240 Twelve members. 256 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:09,240 Twelve members. 257 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:14,240 It sounds to me like Olsen too, because there was a political campaign going on at the time. 258 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:18,160 It sounds to me like he was also trying to get attention in Sweden. 259 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:25,320 Well, here in America, one of the SLA members was later interviewed to say why and how the 260 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:27,040 kidnapping took place. 261 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:32,560 The reason was because Patty had come from that very affluent family and the SLA felt 262 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:38,080 that kidnapping her would send a message to the capitalist state by creating massive press 263 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:39,360 coverage. 264 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:41,060 So they did their homework a little bit. 265 00:14:41,060 --> 00:14:47,080 They knew who they were kidnapping and Patty was directly linked to the tabloids. 266 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,840 So you know that this is going to get some kind of press. 267 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:50,840 Yes. 268 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:57,400 The SLA member in Donald DeFries, who was SLA's leader, stood on either side of the 269 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:00,480 door so that they could not be seen through that peephole. 270 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:05,760 A female SLA member knocked on the door saying that there was an accident and asked to use 271 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:06,760 the phone. 272 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:13,600 Once that SLA member gained access, the two male SLA members stormed the apartment, attacked 273 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:19,360 Patty's fiance, and the female SLA member began tying Patty up with some clothesline. 274 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:21,760 So obviously they had a plan. 275 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:26,680 Patty's fiance later said in an interview that he thought it was just a robbery gone 276 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:27,680 bad. 277 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:30,080 He fended off the assailants the best he could. 278 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:34,160 And after Patty was taken, he went to the neighbor's door to get help. 279 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:38,600 And the bad news here, Beth, is that no one answered, likely out of fear, because I'm 280 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,480 sure they heard some kind of ruckus going on. 281 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:46,540 But the good news is Patty's fiance was left behind with no further injury. 282 00:15:46,540 --> 00:15:49,920 Not exactly a good situation, but at least he survived. 283 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:50,920 Yes. 284 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:54,140 And I don't know if they were armed or not. 285 00:15:54,140 --> 00:16:00,260 Obviously they had something to detain Patty, but I don't think that they were armed. 286 00:16:00,260 --> 00:16:03,280 They may or may not have been, but I didn't really look into that. 287 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:07,040 Patty Hearst endured brutal treatment by her kidnappers. 288 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:11,920 Patty spent almost two months blindfolded and locked in a closet where she succumbed 289 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:19,320 to relentless radical rantings from the SLA, shouting, abuse, and unfortunately rape. 290 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:21,840 Geez, she really did go through it rough. 291 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:28,400 I can't even have imagined flipping and feeling sorry for them later on. 292 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:29,680 I'd be pretty angry. 293 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:35,600 Yeah, I would say, Beth, if you're thinking in those terms at some point in time, if you're 294 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:41,880 going through such, what would I say, such abuse over and over and over again, and then 295 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:48,040 maybe you're going to be given empty promises that, hey, we'll stop doing this if you start 296 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:49,520 following our beliefs. 297 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:50,520 True. 298 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:55,320 I can see how she could probably turn a little bit here, but I'll get into more a little 299 00:16:55,320 --> 00:17:00,840 bit later because that actually, I mean, it'll fall into place as we keep talking. 300 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:05,720 Patty later said that she was brainwashed during that captivity period because of the 301 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:08,560 tactics that SLA members used. 302 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:13,520 Patty felt a sense of dread based on the fact that she knew that she was going to be killed 303 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:15,840 if she did not begin to cooperate. 304 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:21,320 So basically what I just said, because she had been isolated, sexually abused, and fed 305 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:27,420 radical propaganda for almost two months straight with no rescue in sight, Patty began to show 306 00:17:27,420 --> 00:17:30,360 vulnerability towards her kidnappers. 307 00:17:30,360 --> 00:17:32,160 So there you go. 308 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:37,720 Three days after Patty had been kidnapped, the SLA began releasing audio tapes to a local 309 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:43,560 radio station stating that they were holding Patty Hearst as a, quote, prisoner of war, 310 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:44,560 unquote. 311 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:48,680 All 12 of them were holding one person as a prisoner of war. 312 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:55,960 They demanded, get this Beth, $70 for every needy person between Santa Rosa and Los Angeles, 313 00:17:55,960 --> 00:18:01,960 California to receive of all things, food donations in return for Patty's release. 314 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:02,960 That's what they wanted. 315 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:03,960 That's crazy. 316 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:04,960 I know. 317 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:05,960 Okay. 318 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:10,400 So who sat down here and put this down on paper as far as their list of demands? 319 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,640 Oh my gosh. 320 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:19,840 That sounds like something out of a movie, not true. 321 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:27,860 The SLA was able to extort 2 million US dollars or 2.7 Canadian dollars from Patty's parents 322 00:18:27,860 --> 00:18:30,600 as they began to give away food items. 323 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:32,440 Patty was never released. 324 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:40,000 Instead 2 million US dollars or 2.7 million Canadian dollars was simply not adequate and 325 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:45,400 demanded another 6 million US dollars or 8.1 Canadian dollars. 326 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:49,200 So they got what they wanted, but all of a sudden it's not enough. 327 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:54,040 Like you said, did they sit down and think when they were writing out the demands? 328 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:55,040 Yeah. 329 00:18:55,040 --> 00:19:00,120 I mean, did they look at the population and to see how much $70 would go, how far that 330 00:19:00,120 --> 00:19:01,920 would go makes no sense. 331 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:02,920 No. 332 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:07,880 Patty's family told the SLA that they would most certainly donate that sum of money, the 333 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:11,120 8 million dollars, if Patty would be released. 334 00:19:11,120 --> 00:19:13,760 But they ran into a little glitch. 335 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:21,280 In April 1974, two months after Patty's abduction, another audio tape was released to the radio 336 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:22,360 station. 337 00:19:22,360 --> 00:19:25,400 Only this time, Beth, Patty was the one talking. 338 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:31,160 In these recordings, Patty stated that she had joined the SLA to fight oppression. 339 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:36,840 In her words, Patty said, I have been given the choice of number one being released in 340 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:43,680 a safe area or two, joining the forces of the Symbionese Liberation Army and fighting 341 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:47,440 for my freedom and the freedom of all oppressed people. 342 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:49,440 I have chosen to stay and fight. 343 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:51,480 What do you think of that? 344 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:53,080 She's just crazy. 345 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:58,760 I think after two months of being yelled at and tortured and all sorts of different things, 346 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:02,840 Beth, I think that it's hard to say where my mindset would be. 347 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:03,840 That's true. 348 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:11,120 It's like one of the past cases we talked about when a girl was kidnapped and felt sorry 349 00:20:11,120 --> 00:20:13,960 for the people that she was with. 350 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:18,240 Can't remember that case name, but we talked about it. 351 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:19,240 Yeah. 352 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:20,240 So it's not uncommon. 353 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:21,240 No. 354 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:24,080 It happens more frequently than we think. 355 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:29,140 In a later interview, Patty stated that these tape recordings were scripted and she was 356 00:20:29,140 --> 00:20:30,960 forced to read them. 357 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:32,580 So it's a he said, she said. 358 00:20:32,580 --> 00:20:37,760 And for the purpose of details going forward, we'll just say that it appeared outwardly 359 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:40,880 that Patty had joined the forces with the SLA. 360 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:42,560 I'll give you an example here. 361 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:48,160 Not long after those recordings were released to the radio station, Patty was captured on 362 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:54,440 videotape brandishing a gun while robbing a bank in San Francisco, plus another store 363 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:55,440 in Los Angeles. 364 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:56,440 Yeah. 365 00:20:56,440 --> 00:21:01,080 That's why I'm saying it outwardly appears that she may have joined forces. 366 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,760 But as we go on, you'll hear Patty's side of it. 367 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:04,760 Okay. 368 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,920 Of course, the news media went wild on this story. 369 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:12,720 Patty was photographed brandishing that rifle, which did appear that she was taking part 370 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:13,720 in the bank robbery. 371 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:15,320 They had zoomed in on her, Beth. 372 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:19,400 If you were to see the picture of Patty, you would probably recognize it. 373 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:24,800 And Patty was later interviewed on CNN's Larry King Live, where she gave details on what 374 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:26,880 she says actually happened. 375 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:31,880 Patty stated that she had no idea that a bank robbery was about to take place. 376 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:38,720 The SLA simply ordered her to pick up a rifle because she was about to go in and rob a bank. 377 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:43,560 Patty also stated that she was threatened to be killed if she did not go along with 378 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:44,560 that bank heist. 379 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:46,040 Now that makes sense. 380 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,160 Yeah, I think so too. 381 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:52,520 Two innocent bystanders were shot, unfortunately, during this robbery, Beth. 382 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:57,480 It's unclear if Patty shot anyone, but from everything that I read in this case, I don't 383 00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,040 think that she did. 384 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:03,360 She was in the bank with that weapon, but I don't think that she did it. 385 00:22:03,360 --> 00:22:10,120 On April 15th, 1974, the day of this bank heist, Patty and the SLA were able to get 386 00:22:10,120 --> 00:22:15,880 away with $10,000 US dollars or $13,600 Canadian dollars. 387 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:17,440 That was a lot of money back then. 388 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:19,440 That was, it went far. 389 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:24,320 Patty later stated that by the time the bank robbery occurred, she no longer felt that 390 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,440 she could turn back because she felt she was in too deep. 391 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:28,440 I can see that. 392 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:29,760 Yeah, I can see that too. 393 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:36,120 A few days after that bank robbery, another audio tape was released, again in Patty's 394 00:22:36,120 --> 00:22:37,120 voice. 395 00:22:37,120 --> 00:22:40,520 This recording definitely had a little different air about it. 396 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:45,840 Patty strongly denied that she had been brainwashed and that she was recording on her own free 397 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:46,840 will. 398 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:52,160 She declared that she was a quote, soldier of the people's army, unquote, and even threw 399 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:56,640 in some name calling against her own family members. 400 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:57,880 That's not good. 401 00:22:57,880 --> 00:22:58,880 No. 402 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:04,640 Some outlets theorize that Patty fell in love with an SLA member and this is why she followed 403 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:05,640 along. 404 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:07,440 I do remember hearing that back in the day. 405 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:13,520 I remember that she possibly fell in love with somebody, but in her interviews, Patty 406 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:18,880 did deny having any kind of romantic relationship with SLA members. 407 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:23,200 She still insists that she was just following along with the SLA out of fear. 408 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,020 I can see that for sure. 409 00:23:26,020 --> 00:23:31,720 Other outlets glamorized Patty's involvement with the SLA, stating that she was drawn in 410 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,200 by the attention that she was receiving. 411 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:39,080 The cool outfits that she was dressed in, for example, there was that picture of her 412 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:45,040 in the bank wearing a beret and a long jacket, so it was a fashion statement, right? 413 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:50,120 She also glamorized carrying a machine gun and all sorts of things, Beth. 414 00:23:50,120 --> 00:23:54,760 It was quite romantic in the terms of what media was putting out there. 415 00:23:54,760 --> 00:24:00,200 Yes, and I do agree that they certainly were glamorizing it. 416 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:01,200 Like Bonnie and Clyde. 417 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:02,200 Yes, yes. 418 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:09,320 Finally, the SLA seemed to fit right into what was going on in America in the early 419 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:10,320 1970s. 420 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:16,720 According to NPR Broadcasting Media, there were 1000 bombings recorded around America, 421 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:20,960 Watergate was going on, and there was a major energy crisis. 422 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:27,360 So on top of all that, the glamorization of the Patty Hearst case had also come into view. 423 00:24:27,360 --> 00:24:30,480 Today's society doesn't seem all that bad anymore, does it? 424 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:31,480 No. 425 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,240 Do you remember Harrison to the 1970s? 426 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:34,240 Oh, I know. 427 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,720 I remember this case so well when you're going through a lot of this. 428 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,920 I'm thinking, and here I was only in grade seven, but yet I remember all of this. 429 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,080 Must have been in the tabloids. 430 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:45,080 That I read. 431 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,120 Yes, probably was. 432 00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:54,240 On May 16th, 1974, two SLA members plus Patty Hearst were out doing their thing and tried 433 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:58,860 to steal an ammunition belt out of a sporting goods store in Los Angeles. 434 00:24:58,860 --> 00:25:01,420 It was actually just the SLA members, Beth. 435 00:25:01,420 --> 00:25:05,240 They had left Patty in the van with the keys to the ignition. 436 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,240 Go, Patty, go. 437 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:09,520 Okay. 438 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:10,960 Do you think she drove off? 439 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:11,960 I doubt it. 440 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:12,960 Yeah, exactly. 441 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:13,960 Okay. 442 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:15,480 So here were her options. 443 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:21,920 She could either start the car and take off, or she could jump out of the car and run away. 444 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,080 Third option is just sit there and wait. 445 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:25,360 Which one did she do? 446 00:25:25,360 --> 00:25:27,080 She just sat there and waited. 447 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:28,880 She sure did. 448 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:30,360 She stayed put. 449 00:25:30,360 --> 00:25:37,240 Basically what was going on, the SLA members were inside and she didn't drive away unsupervised, 450 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:41,160 nor did she try to run away on foot while the SLA members were shopping, or in this 451 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:42,720 case, Beth, shoplifting. 452 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,800 I had said that SLA members tried to steal. 453 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:50,840 Well, one of the members was detained out there on the sidewalk. 454 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,520 Somebody inside, the clerk saw him doing it. 455 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:58,560 He ran outside and tackled one of the SLA members on the sidewalk and managed to get 456 00:25:58,560 --> 00:25:59,560 ahold of them. 457 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:00,560 Wow. 458 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,200 Don't get too excited though, because guess what Patty did? 459 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:04,200 Not shoot them. 460 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:09,240 Nope, she didn't shoot them, but she did pull out a gun, jump out of the van, and start 461 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,520 spraying gunfire outside that store. 462 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,120 Oh, for goodness sakes. 463 00:26:13,120 --> 00:26:14,120 Yep. 464 00:26:14,120 --> 00:26:17,800 She was trying to let her SLA sidekick get away from the situation. 465 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:23,440 Miraculously, Patty did not kill anybody in this process, and the three people were able 466 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:24,440 to get away. 467 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,380 Within days though, police were able to locate the SLA's van. 468 00:26:28,380 --> 00:26:33,400 I'm sure somebody got the license plate number, and it led them to a safe house where the 469 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:34,720 SLA members were staying. 470 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:38,880 Well, that's good that they managed to find where they're staying, so maybe we can get 471 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,560 to the bottom of this. 472 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:41,560 Yeah. 473 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:48,320 Within 24 hours, Beth, on May 17th, 1974, the SLA safe house was surrounded by all sorts 474 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:53,280 of agents and Los Angeles police where a massive shootout took place. 475 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:54,280 Oh boy. 476 00:26:54,280 --> 00:27:01,720 Donald DeFries, SLA's leader of the 12, well actually 11, well maybe Patty made 12, but 477 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:08,040 the SLA's leader, Donald DeFries, along with several other SLA members were killed during 478 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,440 this confrontation. 479 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:15,600 But Patty and several other members were able to slip away, I guess out the back door, out 480 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,240 the back hatch, I'm not sure. 481 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:23,560 By this time, the story was being covered on live media, Beth. 482 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:29,360 Patty and the SLA members were able to perch a distance away as they watched the safe house 483 00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:31,160 become engulfed in flames. 484 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:32,160 Oh my gosh. 485 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,160 I know, right? 486 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:39,760 Geez, this case, you're teaching me a lot too. 487 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:41,080 It's in my blood. 488 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:42,080 Yes. 489 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:47,760 For the next 16 months, Patty and the remaining SLA members managed to lay low. 490 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:52,480 Patty assumed the name Tanya and continued to stay hidden because she felt at this point 491 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:58,840 in time, Beth, in September of 1975, she felt there was absolutely no way that she would 492 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,000 be able to reappear in public at this point. 493 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:03,000 She was in too deep. 494 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:04,960 She was much too deep. 495 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:06,640 So she and the group kept moving. 496 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,760 They traveled across the United States. 497 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,900 They made their way back to California. 498 00:28:10,900 --> 00:28:14,460 Why do you do that when you know that you are a wanted person? 499 00:28:14,460 --> 00:28:16,960 Maybe they want to give up, turn themselves in. 500 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:17,960 Possibly. 501 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:23,840 Well, on September 18th, 1975, Patty was detained in San Francisco. 502 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:29,160 Upon her arrest, news outlets were in high pursuit and were able to capture several photos 503 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:33,480 of Patty smiling at the camera while she was being detained. 504 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:34,480 That's terrible. 505 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,440 I mean, I'm sitting here thinking, okay, was she brainwashed? 506 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,100 She's smiling at the camera. 507 00:28:40,100 --> 00:28:44,980 Another photograph was taken showing Patty clenching her fists while in handcuffs with 508 00:28:44,980 --> 00:28:46,780 more smiles for the camera. 509 00:28:46,780 --> 00:28:49,520 What do you think of her behavior at this point, Beth? 510 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:50,520 Very strange. 511 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,720 It's like she thinks she's going to get off. 512 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:53,720 Yeah, possibly. 513 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,080 I mean, she comes from an affluent family. 514 00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:02,560 While she was in the process of being fingerprinted, Patty stated that her occupation was an urban 515 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:10,040 gorilla, and not like the animal, Beth, like guerrilla warfare. 516 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:16,200 Dictionary.com defines a gorilla as a member of a small independent group, sorry, small 517 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,600 group, 12 people. 518 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,560 Yeah. 519 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:25,660 Taking part in irregular fighting, typically against regular forces. 520 00:29:25,660 --> 00:29:27,400 That makes sense. 521 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:32,460 After Patty had time to reflect behind bars, she was quoted as saying, quote, I don't want 522 00:29:32,460 --> 00:29:34,680 to be a part of all this lunacy anymore. 523 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,780 I recognize that my family loves me. 524 00:29:36,780 --> 00:29:40,200 I recognize that I want to go back to my former life, unquote. 525 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:45,440 So let me ask you again, Beth, do you believe Patty was manipulated while being held against 526 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:50,000 her will, or do you think she gave in to SLA ideologies? 527 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,360 I think she gave in. 528 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:52,400 What do you think? 529 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,520 It's hard to say because I can see how she felt she was getting in too deep, and she 530 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,000 couldn't really come out in the public. 531 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:04,920 I mean, I'm sure she knew she was probably facing some kind of repercussions for breaking 532 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:06,120 the law and all that. 533 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:07,440 I don't know. 534 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,760 So this is where Patty Hearst is connected to the Stockholm syndrome, and that is where 535 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:18,160 it originated back on August 23rd, 1973 in Stockholm, Sweden, which was that prequel 536 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,000 to the Patty Hearst experiences. 537 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:26,040 Well, on March 20th, 1976, Patty Hearst eventually went to trial for that bank robbery that she 538 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:27,040 took part in. 539 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:31,160 She faced charges of armed bank robbery in the commission of a felony. 540 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:36,280 A well-known attorney agreed to take on this case and began working on her defense right 541 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:37,280 away. 542 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,880 I don't know if you've ever heard of F. Lee Bailey, Beth, have you? 543 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:40,880 Yes, yes. 544 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:41,880 Okay. 545 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:42,880 Well, I don't know who this is. 546 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:43,880 Somebody knows them. 547 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:44,880 You haven't. 548 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:45,880 I don't know. 549 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:50,600 I'm going to say I don't know who this person is, but I will say that he defended a pretty 550 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,800 well-known criminal by the name of Albert DiSalvo. 551 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,560 Do you know who that is? 552 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:57,560 No. 553 00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:58,560 The Boston Strangler. 554 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,600 Ah, maybe that's how I know. 555 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:02,600 Okay. 556 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:06,640 I would have to go look it up to see what else they're known for, but sorry, F. Lee 557 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,280 Bailey, I didn't know who you were. 558 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:12,040 Yeah, I'm very interested in that Boston Strangler. 559 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,880 I think maybe we're going to have to venture out and do one of those big cases. 560 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:16,880 What do you think? 561 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:17,880 I think so. 562 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:18,880 Yeah. 563 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:19,880 Get it right on it. 564 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:20,880 Yes, ma'am. 565 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:27,600 Patty's legal team argued that she had been brainwashed, but that defense strategy did 566 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:28,600 her no good. 567 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:34,420 Patty was found guilty of all charges and on March 20th, 1976, she was sentenced to 568 00:31:34,420 --> 00:31:37,240 seven years in prison for the bank robbery. 569 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:41,360 Let's not forget that other robbery that took place at the sporting goods store where the 570 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,280 SLA members attempted to steal that ammunition. 571 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,440 Patty had sprayed gunfire outside on the sidewalk. 572 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:52,160 She also faced charges against that, pleaded no contest, and was given probation. 573 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:56,200 I don't know how she was given probation based on the fact that she was also given 574 00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:01,160 a prison sentence where she put on probation after she was released in seven years. 575 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:02,200 I didn't look all that up. 576 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:03,680 I'm glad they found her guilty. 577 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:04,680 Oh, well, yeah. 578 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,080 I mean, you would have to. 579 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:07,840 I mean, she was clearly there. 580 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,880 I mean, there was evidence and she was brandishing a gun. 581 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:13,840 That ain't no joke, you know? 582 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:14,840 No. 583 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:20,000 After 21 months, President Jimmy Carter commuted that sentence and Patty was released from 584 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,960 prison in February of 1976. 585 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,240 For goodness sakes. 586 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,320 Patty went on to marry her bodyguard. 587 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:32,240 She wrote a book of her experiences during her captivity and even went into acting for 588 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:33,240 a hot minute. 589 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,880 I think that she played in a movie, Beth, I didn't really look into this, but I think 590 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:37,880 she played herself. 591 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:39,960 You know how they have spoof movies? 592 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:40,960 Yes. 593 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,600 Yeah, I think that's the kind of movie that she was in. 594 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:50,360 In 2001, President Bill Clinton gave Patty a full pardon for her crimes. 595 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,660 That is ridiculous. 596 00:32:52,660 --> 00:32:53,660 Tell me why. 597 00:32:53,660 --> 00:32:55,360 Because she committed crimes. 598 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:59,440 Like how can you pardon somebody that shot guns? 599 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:03,440 I wonder though if that has got to do with the Stockholm syndrome. 600 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,840 Again, there's no clinical proof that exists. 601 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,600 So if it was based on that, then I see what you're saying. 602 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:11,600 Yeah. 603 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:15,440 Thinking back to what would happen in court, there wouldn't be able to be a psychologist 604 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:19,680 on the stand talking about Stockholm syndrome because it hasn't been studied. 605 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,120 No, you're right. 606 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,800 I'm very interested to know why he gave her a pardon. 607 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,220 Well look that up and let me know. 608 00:33:25,220 --> 00:33:26,220 Will it say? 609 00:33:26,220 --> 00:33:27,220 It will, somewhere. 610 00:33:27,220 --> 00:33:28,220 Okay. 611 00:33:28,220 --> 00:33:29,220 I'll look it up. 612 00:33:29,220 --> 00:33:30,520 That's it, Beth. 613 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:34,680 That is the story of Patty Hearst, the heiress of tabloid magazines. 614 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:39,160 You know I had to do this story because of the tabloids. 615 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:43,040 Thank you again for telling us a very interesting story. 616 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:44,040 You're welcome. 617 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,240 And those 12 men making up that SLA. 618 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:48,240 Right. 619 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,280 So do you have a teachable moment for us? 620 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,160 I do have a teachable moment, Beth. 621 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,200 Don't answer the door if you don't know who it is. 622 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,080 I'm going to give you an example about Shelby, my daughter. 623 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,960 She told me about an incident that just happened, Beth. 624 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,480 Like literally this week she told me about this. 625 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,640 A man knocked on her door. 626 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:13,560 He was wearing blue jeans, a white button down shirt and had a spray bottle with a rag 627 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:14,560 in his hands. 628 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:15,560 That's curious. 629 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,820 She's at home by herself. 630 00:34:17,820 --> 00:34:22,320 Someone knocks at her door and her gut feeling said, don't answer the door. 631 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:23,620 I hope she didn't. 632 00:34:23,620 --> 00:34:24,920 She did not. 633 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:26,480 She just kept peeking out. 634 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,960 She said, Oh, I think the guy probably saw me. 635 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:34,080 He had a backpack, Shelby with her wits about her, took a picture of the guy. 636 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:35,240 Oh, interesting. 637 00:34:35,240 --> 00:34:36,240 Hey. 638 00:34:36,240 --> 00:34:41,000 So what she did is she posted it on social media for the neighborhood and other people 639 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,140 had posted some things as well. 640 00:34:43,140 --> 00:34:44,280 So she did good. 641 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:48,080 She did not open the door because that what was in that backpack? 642 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:49,800 I said that could have been his kill kit. 643 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,240 Well, what could be in that spray bottle too? 644 00:34:52,240 --> 00:34:53,240 Exactly. 645 00:34:53,240 --> 00:34:54,960 Why is he holding a rag? 646 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,760 So many questions. 647 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,160 Oh my gosh. 648 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,700 Long story short, keep your doors locked. 649 00:35:00,700 --> 00:35:01,700 Don't answer that door. 650 00:35:01,700 --> 00:35:05,480 If you're not expecting anybody, Shelby, I know you're listening to this. 651 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:06,480 So you did good. 652 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,040 And that is my teachable moment. 653 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,720 Well, that teachable moment was quite interesting. 654 00:35:11,720 --> 00:35:13,000 Very scary for Shelby. 655 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,240 Shelby, I'm so glad you didn't answer that door. 656 00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:21,760 Well, Beth, it is always fun having you here on Dying to be Found. 657 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,560 I hope you did like this episode. 658 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,400 I really kind of thought about you as I was researching it. 659 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,640 I felt it was a better fit for you. 660 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:33,360 And we would love to receive feedback from any of our listeners on the storyline or any 661 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:34,720 other episodes. 662 00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:35,720 Awesome. 663 00:35:35,720 --> 00:35:41,000 So be sure to DM us on Instagram and until next time, talk to you soon. 664 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:42,680 And that's a wrap. 665 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:43,680 That is a wrap. 666 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,960 Thanks for listening to Dying to be Found. 667 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:51,200 Before we go, we would love for you to leave a review on your favorite podcast platform. 668 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:56,900 Be sure to follow us on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, and Pinterest at Dying to be Found. 669 00:35:56,900 --> 00:36:02,760 You can access our website, email, social media, and storyline request form by clicking 670 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,560 on our Linktree account found in our show notes. 671 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:11,040 If you like our episodes, consider buying us a coffee at BuyMeACoffee.com slash Dying 672 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,320 to be Found spelled just like you see it on our logo. 673 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,980 Feel free to message us on Instagram and let us know how we're doing. 674 00:36:17,980 --> 00:36:19,440 Or if you'd like a sticker. 675 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:24,440 With that, be sure to check us out every Thursday wherever you get your podcasts. 676 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,440 We will talk to you all next week. 677 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:49,440 Bye.