1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,040 Hi everyone, this is Deb from Dying to be Found. 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:12,340 Before we get started, I just wanted to say that episodes contain disturbing discussions on harmful acts and crimes against animals and or humankind. 3 00:00:12,340 --> 00:00:18,560 Recordings are not intended for young or sensitive audiences due to the content nature of this podcast. 4 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:34,120 Listener discretion is strongly advised. 5 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:35,920 Hi everyone, I'm Deb. 6 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:36,920 And I'm Shelby. 7 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:46,160 Welcome back to Dying to be Found, our own little true crime podcast that we like to say is open to interpretation to our listeners. 8 00:00:46,160 --> 00:00:54,200 In case you're a new listener here, we have a little family thing going on where I pull in different family members to tell stories too. 9 00:00:54,200 --> 00:01:00,440 Shelby is my daughter, and apparently we both share the same fascination of true crime. 10 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:02,200 Shelbs, how are you today? 11 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:03,240 Good. 12 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:04,400 What's going on? 13 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:13,720 Nothing. Like I said earlier, it's about 25 degrees cooler today, supposed to get some rain, but it's a day off, so I can't complain. 14 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:18,320 Well, you know, by this afternoon, it's going to be that 20 degrees hotter, so enjoy it while you can. 15 00:01:18,320 --> 00:01:20,840 Mother Nature does not know what she's doing right now. 16 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:22,200 Right? Exactly. 17 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:27,720 Hey, did you get that article I sent on that great white shark washing up on the shore of the Outer Banks? 18 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,600 I did. It was fake. 19 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:35,240 Oh, was it fake? How so? I mean, I looked at it, but you know, me and sharks. 20 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:48,120 Yeah, there's this Outer Banks photographer. They use some kind of technology to create crazy pictures like that, and so they've got a Facebook page, and yeah, that's one of many. 21 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:58,040 Okay, well, that's good to know because you and I have been to the Outer Banks multiple times, and if that's what's creeping around out there, you know darn well I'm not getting in the water. 22 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:06,920 Yeah, well, there's probably, last I heard, I think it was somewhere between 13 and 15 great whites that have pinged in my area. 23 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:08,520 Where? In North Carolina? 24 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:09,800 Yeah, in the Outer Banks. 25 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:15,400 Oh, holy moly. Oh my god. Nope, nope, nope. Can't do it. 26 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:19,160 So how do you feel about scuba diving? Do you see yourself ever doing that? 27 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:20,840 I want to. 28 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:23,400 Knowing that there are 15 pings? 29 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:28,360 I would be very, very, very scared, but I, yeah, not today. 30 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:30,360 Face your fears, Shelbs. 31 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:31,480 Yeah. 32 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:46,280 All right, well, today we are taking a trip out to the Great Coral Reef of the Northeast Coast in Australia. I know you've heard of the Coral Reef. It is so majestic. Is that one of the natural wonders of the world? Listeners, tell me if I'm right there. 33 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:51,640 I have no idea. Do you know how I heard about the Great Coral Reef? 34 00:02:51,640 --> 00:02:52,280 How? 35 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:56,600 I'm pretty sure it was in Finding Nemo. 36 00:02:56,600 --> 00:03:01,320 That movie came out when I was like 13. 37 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,200 I mean, you know, you learn a lot from Disney. 38 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:06,360 You really do. That's such a good movie. 39 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,960 Hey, did you listen to my episode on the Diatlov Pass? 40 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:11,400 No, I have not. 41 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:19,080 They used the movie Frozen to do some scientific research on that, and you're just going to have to go back and listen to it. 42 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:20,360 Yeah, which one was that? 43 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:21,800 Diatlov Pass. 44 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:23,400 How in the world do you spell that? 45 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:30,600 I don't know. Just go when you look on the podcast. It's pretty near the top because it's a very recent episode. 46 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:39,320 And if I really must tell you, it's episode number 57. And today we're on 61. So it's pretty recent. 47 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:49,960 All right. So we are headed over to the Great Coral Reef and we're going to be talking about Gabe and Tina Watson, who was a newlywed couple and decided that Australia would be the Great Coral Reef. 48 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:54,520 And decided that Australia would be the perfect vacation spot to take their honeymoon. 49 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:55,560 Wow. 50 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:57,320 I mean, who doesn't want to go there, right? 51 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:00,600 I think that would be a beautiful spot for our honeymoon. 52 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:07,720 The only thing that scares me to death, as I've heard, they have very, very, very large spiders. 53 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:15,880 So if you live in Australia, please tell me what part I can go to where I don't have to see those. 54 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:23,000 Apparently, Australia has all the poisonous critters out that way. So I know it's beautiful, though. It's absolutely gorgeous. 55 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:31,560 I would like to visit there one day. So, yeah, tell me the same because, Shelby, I don't know if I told you your cousin that lives in Tasmania. 56 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:38,760 She got in the car to go to work one day and she's driving along, Shelby, and a tarantula plopped into her lap. 57 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:43,160 Oh, my God. No. 58 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,760 What in the world would you do? I think I would probably crash into something. 59 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:48,280 I would too. 60 00:04:48,280 --> 00:04:57,080 Oh, and then I've seen pictures where they like to kind of tuck themselves into your car handle, like when your car door opener. 61 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:57,640 Oh, my God. 62 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:03,080 They tuck themselves away in there. So you better be checking your handles before you open your door. 63 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:07,240 Oh, that's scary. 64 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:08,200 Yeah, it is. 65 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:09,800 Thank you. 66 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:11,320 Yeah, absolutely. No, thank you. 67 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:23,800 All right. Well, in January of 2001, Christina Mae Thomas and David Gabriel Watson met at the University of Alabama in Birmingham and soon began dating. 68 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:32,120 For the purpose of this episode, Shelbs, I will refer to the couple as Tina and Gabe Watson because they do eventually get married. 69 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:44,040 They married in October 2003 and planned out a really cool honeymoon that involved going on a cruise, going scuba diving in Queensland, Australia. 70 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,480 Again, it sounds majestic. It sounds fantastic. 71 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:48,520 Yeah, I agree. 72 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:55,960 Today, we're going to take that trip along with Gabe and Tina to Queensland, which is on the East Coast of Australia. 73 00:05:55,960 --> 00:06:02,120 Tina had planned the perfect honeymoon, which should have been just over a two week period. 74 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:10,680 She and her new husband would visit the Sydney Opera House, take a river cruise, go to the zoo, see the migrating sea turtles. 75 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:17,000 And last but not least, they plan to go scuba diving in the Great Barrier Reef in the Coral Sea. 76 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:18,680 I mean, how about that vacation? 77 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:20,840 Yeah, that sounds wonderful. 78 00:06:20,840 --> 00:06:27,720 Before their honeymoon, the only thing Tina really needed to prepare was to take a couple scuba diving lessons. 79 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:35,960 She did this and eventually had 11 dives to her name before the trip, which they scheduled to begin on October 13th. 80 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:41,160 So I don't know exactly how long the training is. 81 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:48,840 I know it's a big process. You have to do book work, classwork, then you have to do some dives in order to certify. 82 00:06:48,840 --> 00:06:55,720 And I know a lot of people who are not near the ocean, sometimes they certify in a swimming pool, like an Olympic sized swimming pool. 83 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:57,960 Oh, wow. I did not know that. 84 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:03,480 So you can't just sign up for scuba diving. You actually have to do the lessons and all that. 85 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:09,240 Oh, yeah, it is a process because naturally we don't breathe underwater and there's a lot involved. 86 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:13,800 I know that you have to watch the pressure. It's kind of like going up in an airplane shelves. 87 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:15,560 You know how the pressure changes. 88 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:16,360 Yeah. 89 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:20,200 Same concept. You have a tank of oxygen on your back. 90 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:29,240 So, I mean, there's just a lot involved and you really, really have to make sure that you go through the coursework and get all that done. 91 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,840 But she had 11 dives behind her and was feeling confident. 92 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:38,200 So they were planning that trip on October 22nd, 2003. 93 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:43,800 Tina and Gabe signed up to dive a 50 foot wreck of the SS Young Gala. 94 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:50,760 I believe it's a 350 foot ship that sunk in the Coral Sea back in 2001. 95 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:58,680 And this was day one of a seven day diving excursion, traveling by way of the Spoil Sport, 96 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:05,400 a luxury resort ship that carry 25 passengers, 12 crew members and three commercial divers. 97 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:09,400 Kind of sounds like what's that show that you like to watch? 98 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:12,360 Below Deck. Love it. 99 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:18,520 Yeah. Oh, gosh. Yeah. That reminded me back in the days of being a flight attendant and serving customers and stuff like that. 100 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:26,840 So, yeah. So to me, this the description of this cruiser was a lot like a ship you would see on Below Deck. 101 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:33,240 And on the day that Tina and Gabe went out to dive the shipwreck, they got prepped, 102 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:42,120 they checked their gear and planned to descend down through a designated area where the couple could use a rope tied to the side of the ship. 103 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:46,920 So, yeah, they apparently when you go out, they're like, OK, take this rope down. 104 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:52,600 It'll it'll get you where you can start swimming freely around the ship and exploring. 105 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:59,000 So here is what I guess what I'm going to say authorities believed may have happened, 106 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:05,880 because when you go scuba diving, Shelby, I had already mentioned all the certification process that you have to go through. 107 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:12,600 You have to take that depth of water into consideration with the air pressure or with the pressure and everything like that, 108 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:16,040 because there's something called an air embolism. 109 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:23,240 And in layman terms, an air embolism occurs when air bubbles enter into your vein or artery, 110 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:29,880 which blocks the passageway and can travel to vital areas of your body like your brain or your heart. 111 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:30,840 Wow. 112 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:36,680 The one way that you can get an air embolism is to encounter pressure changes to your body, 113 00:09:36,680 --> 00:09:41,160 obviously, like when you're going diving, because you're going down to certain depths. 114 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:48,760 I know that I've had friends that have told me that they go scuba diving and you kind of have to do it really gradually. 115 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:56,440 What as you go into deep water like that, because of those health risks, you basically swim down to a certain a certain depth. 116 00:09:56,440 --> 00:10:02,200 You stay there for a little while, let your body acclimate, and then you keep going down a little bit further. 117 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,520 I really don't know how far down they went. 118 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:12,680 But unfortunately, Shelbs, Tina drowned on that very first day of scuba diving within one hour of diving. 119 00:10:12,680 --> 00:10:15,080 Oh, I know. 120 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:22,200 Some say it was because she was simply inexperienced and this was a very first open water dive. 121 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:28,200 But things can go wrong because her new husband, Gabe, was with her to tag team. 122 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,360 So he witnessed everything. 123 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:31,480 Wow. 124 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:34,200 Oh, that's so sad. 125 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:43,400 Ultimately, Shelbi, Tina's death was ruled by an Australian pathologist as an accidental drowning due to this air embolism I described. 126 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:50,680 However, once news of Tina's death hit the news media, Gabe came under immediate scrutiny, 127 00:10:50,680 --> 00:10:58,920 because although Gabe gave his account of events, it seemed that he and Tina were not the only ones diving that day. 128 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:03,560 Gabe had witnesses to what could have potentially happened. 129 00:11:03,560 --> 00:11:05,160 Any thoughts on witnesses? 130 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:08,040 Oh, I'm just I'm curious to hear the story. 131 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:12,200 I don't I mean, they couldn't have been too far down. 132 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:12,680 I don't know. 133 00:11:12,680 --> 00:11:14,840 I just I don't really have much. 134 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:15,720 I just want to hear more. 135 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:17,320 Okay. 136 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:23,640 Well, two witnesses came forward to give a very telling story of what happened the day Tina died. 137 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:32,680 The divers had video equipment and actually took two photos, one in which it looked as if Gabe was giving Tina a bear hug. 138 00:11:32,680 --> 00:11:37,800 This is where one of the divers stated that they saw Tina and Gabe swimming together. 139 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:45,080 And it looked like Gabe may have been trying to save Tina, possibly in a diver down situation before letting her go. 140 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:52,600 And the only reason I knew what diver down was honestly was from that Van Halen album back in the day. 141 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:54,920 That's the only reason I knew that was diver down. 142 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:55,960 Oh, that's funny. 143 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:56,600 Mm hmm. 144 00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:01,800 Now, the second photo was that of Tina lying on the ocean floor. 145 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:03,560 Wow. 146 00:12:03,560 --> 00:12:06,440 You know, you're not going to be the only divers out there. 147 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,000 So the swimmers had that camera. 148 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:15,880 They took pictures of Gabe giving Tina a bear hug, possibly to be trying to save her. 149 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:19,720 And then the next photo was her lying on the floor, lying on the ocean floor. 150 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:23,000 I have a thought and you know I'm not reading ahead. 151 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:23,640 Yeah. 152 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:31,480 If he is trying to save her and they just got married, he would not let her go to the bottom of the ocean floor. 153 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:32,680 He would be bringing her up. 154 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:35,240 Are you sure you're not reading ahead? 155 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:36,280 I'm positive. 156 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:39,560 You're lighter underwater, so she's not that heavy. 157 00:12:39,560 --> 00:12:41,400 No, she's not. 158 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:42,920 And yeah, you're right. 159 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:44,200 You have a point. 160 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:52,440 After Tina was taken to the boat, the divers were interviewed where they stated that Gabe was acting rather peculiar. 161 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:59,720 Instead of trying to help revive her, after all Shelby, he had advanced scuba diving certificates. 162 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:03,080 He asked the surrounding people simply for hugs. 163 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:04,440 He didn't want to be seen. 164 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,640 He didn't want to help revive her. 165 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:08,680 He wanted hugs. 166 00:13:08,680 --> 00:13:09,880 That is quite odd. 167 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:10,360 Yeah. 168 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:17,480 Along with that, he was making strange clucking noises and did appear to be crying. 169 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:23,480 I think it was one of those instances where he looked to be crying but didn't produce tears. 170 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,120 So that's what's going on with him. 171 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,680 Something very fishy is going on. 172 00:13:28,680 --> 00:13:29,080 It is. 173 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:30,360 No pun intended, right? 174 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:33,720 Because this is definitely a serious situation here. 175 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:34,520 Yeah, sorry. 176 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:44,440 When Tina was pulled to the surface, her equipment was inspected and it appeared that she still had two-thirds of a tank of air remaining in her air tank. 177 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:46,600 So you're right, Shelby. 178 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:48,600 Gabe left her on the floor. 179 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,240 He was not the one to bring her up. 180 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:57,240 There was another diver that had brought her up to the surface and it only took 90 seconds to do that. 181 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:07,560 It took Gabe twice as long to travel half that distance, which in all, I believe it was about 30 meters that he was swimming or 98 feet in all. 182 00:14:07,560 --> 00:14:09,560 You know I'm bad with measurements. 183 00:14:09,560 --> 00:14:11,480 So how about I give you some visuals? 184 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:13,320 How are you with measurements? 185 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:14,920 Um, not that great. 186 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:15,560 Okay, good. 187 00:14:15,560 --> 00:14:23,400 Because I'm going to give you some visuals on some things that are about 30 meters or 98 feet in length. 188 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:24,600 Yeah, I need feet. 189 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:28,840 If you say meters, I have no idea what that means. 190 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:33,480 They say that on below deck too and I'm like, I don't know what that means. 191 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:43,320 Okay, so you can envision this then because 98 feet is the same length as 30 meters and I do do this for our international listeners. 192 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:45,560 So here's some thoughts. 193 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:49,240 A blue whale like the kind that swallowed Jonah. 194 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:50,360 Can you envision that? 195 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:50,920 Yes. 196 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:52,360 How about a stretch limo? 197 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:53,320 Absolutely. 198 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:54,440 A basketball court? 199 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:55,240 That makes sense. 200 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:56,280 Yeah, that's pretty big. 201 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:02,440 And last one is the distance between baseball plates on the softball field. 202 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:04,120 I know you can envision that one. 203 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:05,400 That's my favorite. 204 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:10,520 All right, let's get back to Gabe's accounts on what happened here. 205 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:17,400 Gabe had advanced certification in open water scuba diving and as a rescue diver. 206 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:17,900 Wow. 207 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:22,040 So let me put some things into perspective for you here. 208 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:25,640 Gabe had 55 dives under his belt. 209 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:28,040 His new wife, Tina, had 11. 210 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:31,800 Only Tina had never been in open water like this. 211 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:37,240 She had only begun training in preparation for her honeymoon diving excursion. 212 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:45,560 Now when I say open water, I don't know from the articles that I read if she was in an Olympic size swimming pool. 213 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:48,760 If she was in a lake, I'm not sure where she was. 214 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:55,560 But she was nowhere near in the same depths and conditions that she was when she went on this scuba diving excursion. 215 00:15:55,560 --> 00:16:01,960 This excursion was classified as very dangerous due to red flag conditions and strong currents. 216 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,520 And you know what that means because you live on the coast. 217 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:09,080 The excursion itself was not recommended for new divers. 218 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:13,720 There's definitely a distinct difference between Gabe and Tina's experience here. 219 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:23,720 According to other divers around the newlywed couple, Gabe didn't even make an attempt to save Tina when it was obvious that she was in distress. 220 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:32,440 However, he did give multiple accounts as to what happened that day while they were scuba diving on October 22, 2003. 221 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:41,800 Due to those red flag conditions, Gabe stated that he and Tina realized very quickly that the current was too strong and they would need to resurface. 222 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:49,880 He states that he signaled to Tina to fill up her inflator hose, which I'm assuming helps you ascend? 223 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:52,840 Because I don't really know much about that. 224 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:58,360 Now remember, they have to ascend very carefully because of that pressure. 225 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:08,200 So you all, if you're listening out there, DM me and let me know if I'm getting a little closer to this because I feel like I can understand the process. 226 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:09,400 We'll just go from there. 227 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:14,120 So Gabe goes on to say that Tina did not understand his instructions. 228 00:17:14,120 --> 00:17:17,800 Basically, he's using sign language underwater, Shelby. 229 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:27,000 And I'm pretty sure there's got to be specific hand gestures that you use as far as diving so that everybody understands sort of like sign language. 230 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:28,520 You have your own language there. 231 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:29,320 Yeah. 232 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:31,560 Apparently, Tina began to panic. 233 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:43,320 And when he did go in to help her, she knocked off Gabe's mask as she tried to go near that rope that I had mentioned that goes along the ship to help with the descend ascend. 234 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:53,960 Given the fact that Gabe had those advanced diving certificates, authorities believe that this is contradictory to being taken by surprise when Tina knocked his mask off. 235 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:56,840 I can see that happening if somebody's panicking underwater. 236 00:17:56,840 --> 00:18:11,560 I would do the same too, because I think not just the fact that I'm terrified of sharks coming up on me while I'm doing that, Shelby, but you're relying on an air tank and you're relying on equipment to help you breathe. 237 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:12,440 That's just to me. 238 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:13,800 I don't think I could do that. 239 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,680 I guess that would be sort of like claustrophobic to me. 240 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:18,120 I just don't think I could do that. 241 00:18:18,120 --> 00:18:20,280 Yeah, no, that makes sense. 242 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:27,640 As Gabe retrieved his mask and repositioned it on his face, this is when he saw Tina sinking to the ocean floor. 243 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:34,120 Gabe stated that he had problems with his dive equipment and left Tina alone when he resurfaced to fix it. 244 00:18:34,120 --> 00:18:39,240 He later stated that he had batteries in backwards for that equipment that he was using. 245 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:46,840 Now, remember, this is on his 30 meter, 98 foot ascend to go fix his equipment as he left his wife behind. 246 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:50,680 Yeah, on 55 dives, he wasn't sure. 247 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:52,760 He put the batteries in backwards. 248 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:53,480 I don't know. 249 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:54,440 It's not adding up. 250 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:55,560 I don't trust him. 251 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:56,360 Okay. 252 00:18:56,360 --> 00:19:00,680 He also believes that Tina was carrying too much weight and it dragged her down. 253 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:07,320 I don't know about that, because when you're underwater, you're a little buoyant, right? 254 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:08,280 You're more lightweight. 255 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:16,200 Gabe's account as to the witnesses who said that they saw him grab Tina, then let her go while she was sinking. 256 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:22,360 He stated that he was in over his head and was swimming away to get help, which he did. 257 00:19:22,360 --> 00:19:31,800 When he resurfaced, Gabe was closer to a different diver boat than the one that he and Tina had boarded to go out on their excursion. 258 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:40,760 Tina was retrieved from the ocean floor and CPR was performed for the next 41 excruciating minutes. 259 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:49,400 Unfortunately, Shelbs, they could not revive Tina and she was pronounced dead by two doctors on board at 1121 a.m. 260 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:50,360 Wow. 261 00:19:50,360 --> 00:19:51,240 All right. 262 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:59,480 There has to be some sort of motive behind why Gabe allegedly may have wanted to do away with his wife. 263 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:01,960 I'm not saying that this is what happened. 264 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:11,240 I am definitely taking his account into consideration here because I can kind of see where he's trying to help his wife. 265 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:14,280 If she has that air embolism, I get it. 266 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:16,440 I mean, there's just a lot going on here. 267 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:22,200 At least this is what prosecutors in both Australia and the U.S. had argued. 268 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:27,160 What is the age old reason, Shelbi, why someone wants to off their spouse? 269 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:27,960 Think about it. 270 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:31,400 I don't know, they're tired of them, but they're newly married. 271 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:31,960 So true. 272 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:33,000 They're on their honeymoon. 273 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,040 They're only married for two weeks at this point. 274 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:49,000 Well, according to investigators, Gabe would have stood to inherit 210,000 U.S. dollars or 283,000 Canadian dollars in life insurance. 275 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:49,560 Wow. 276 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:51,240 That's not really that much money. 277 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:55,720 No, I mean, that's pretty standard as far as policies that you would get. 278 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,200 200,000 seems reasonable. 279 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:06,120 But what Gabe didn't know, or maybe he did, he was not the beneficiary of Tina's life insurance policy. 280 00:21:06,120 --> 00:21:07,000 Her dad was. 281 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:18,520 I mean, that makes sense simply because, you know, I kind of see things like this a lot at work and deal with tons of beneficiary information. 282 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:27,880 With them only being married for two weeks or so, so far, she probably hadn't had time to change any of that over yet. 283 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:37,560 So I would think, I mean, if he was smart, that he would have realized that his name wasn't on that insurance policy yet. 284 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,840 Yeah, it sounds like she already had that in place when they got married. 285 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:44,840 So yeah, like you said, turning over the paperwork, it's a process, man. 286 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:48,280 When you get married, you got to go to the Social Security office. 287 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:53,960 You've got to contact car insurance for coverage on new cars. 288 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:55,320 You've got to do life insurance. 289 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,800 You've got a ton of things to do. 290 00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:59,640 And if she was just married... 291 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,720 Promise I'm not reading ahead. 292 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:09,400 I feel like sometimes I say things and then it's like, well, you're saying that like two seconds later. 293 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:13,800 Because no, I'm actually having just a regular conversation with you and you're smart. 294 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:15,320 You're logically thinking about this. 295 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:16,680 So no, no worries. 296 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:17,400 Absolutely. 297 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,160 It's a process. 298 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:20,680 You just have a lot of things. 299 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:28,600 But if she's planning that honeymoon, changing paperwork over is probably the last on her list of things to do. 300 00:22:30,120 --> 00:22:33,960 Almost four years later and I'm still trying to do that mess. 301 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:35,240 It's the most annoying thing. 302 00:22:36,360 --> 00:22:38,520 What more do you have to do, Shelbs? 303 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:44,040 I just got my last name changed on one of my debit cards last week. 304 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:46,760 I know. 305 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:47,240 I get it. 306 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:48,200 I had to do it too. 307 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:55,400 Did I tell you about when that lady backed into my car and I was talking to the police officer 308 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:59,640 and you have to fill out one of those written statements or whatever? 309 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:04,600 And I asked the officer and he looked at me like I was a freaking idiot. 310 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:05,480 Why? 311 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,080 Because of your name changes? 312 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:07,400 Yeah. 313 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:11,800 I was like, I don't know which name you want me to put on this seat. 314 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:13,160 And he was like, what do you mean? 315 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:22,280 I was like, well, my social security card, it says my new name, but I haven't gotten my driver's license corrected just yet. 316 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:23,240 Oh man. 317 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:31,400 And at this point, like it's probably a good year or two that I had changed my social security card. 318 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:35,800 And he just, he probably went back and told people about that. 319 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:39,560 Did I tell you about the time when I was getting my citizenship? 320 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:40,360 I don't know. 321 00:23:40,360 --> 00:23:41,480 That was a long time ago. 322 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,320 Pretty much the same scenario. 323 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,920 Homeland security did not like it that I didn't have my name changed. 324 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:48,280 They didn't like it at all. 325 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:49,400 Oh, wow. 326 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,560 That's another story for another day. 327 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:52,200 Yeah. 328 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,240 Like, can you get in trouble for that though? 329 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,480 Because I have a driver's license. 330 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,680 I have two driver's licenses in my wallet. 331 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:05,160 One still says my maiden name and then one says my married name. 332 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:06,760 Shelby, you have an alias. 333 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:08,680 You can get in a lot of trouble for that. 334 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:09,880 You should only have one. 335 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:11,640 Oh, really? 336 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:13,720 It's like having two passports. 337 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,480 Oh, and you have them conveniently in front of the computer right now. 338 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:18,520 That's hilarious. 339 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:23,480 Yeah, because I'm really, I need to be better about putting stuff back where it belongs. 340 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:29,880 So if I don't put one of them or the right, I know I always use my the right one, unless I can't find it. 341 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:31,480 Then that's when I use the other one. 342 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,240 Oh my God, Shelby. 343 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:33,960 All right. 344 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:35,160 So I shouldn't do that. 345 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,080 I'll have to ask for it. 346 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:38,040 You should have one. 347 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,040 I'll have to ask for it. 348 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:40,840 You shouldn't do that. 349 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,640 Uh, hmm. 350 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:44,840 I'll let you figure that out. 351 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:47,160 I don't know though. 352 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:51,720 You seem to, you live in a small town and you seem to know all of the police officers there. 353 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,240 So I think you'll be okay. 354 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,080 No, not so much anymore. 355 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:55,640 Okay. 356 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:56,840 Well, then don't. 357 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:58,440 We got a lot of new kids. 358 00:24:58,440 --> 00:24:59,080 Okay. 359 00:24:59,080 --> 00:24:59,640 Kids. 360 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,520 Well, don't get yourself arrested by the kids. 361 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:03,020 No. 362 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:05,420 All right. 363 00:25:05,420 --> 00:25:14,780 Even though the pathologists determined that Tina's death was an accident, the Australian courts still pursued Gabe as the primary suspect in this case. 364 00:25:14,780 --> 00:25:21,340 In 2008, Gabe was arrested and charged with involuntary manslaughter due to negligence. 365 00:25:21,340 --> 00:25:21,900 Wow. 366 00:25:21,900 --> 00:25:33,980 In his own words, during a 2012-2020 interview, Gabe states that he pled guilty to not rendering proper aid and not saving his diving buddy. 367 00:25:33,980 --> 00:25:39,820 So he did not confess to anything in questionable circumstances. 368 00:25:39,820 --> 00:25:41,340 And I don't blame him. 369 00:25:41,340 --> 00:25:44,220 I'm sure his lawyer told him not to, right? 370 00:25:44,220 --> 00:25:44,700 Wow. 371 00:25:44,700 --> 00:25:46,860 Prosecutors begged to differ. 372 00:25:46,860 --> 00:25:53,580 They argued that leaving Tina on the ocean floor was enough to send a man to prison for murder. 373 00:25:53,580 --> 00:26:02,060 Now, one of the photos, Shelby, that I looked at shown in court was that of Gabe giving Tina that bear hug that I had mentioned. 374 00:26:02,060 --> 00:26:04,700 Does it sound odd or peculiar? 375 00:26:04,700 --> 00:26:06,300 I'm not really sure. 376 00:26:06,300 --> 00:26:08,140 I was just going to say, I don't know. 377 00:26:08,140 --> 00:26:16,460 If she was panicking underwater, I can see maybe him trying to bear hug her. 378 00:26:16,460 --> 00:26:18,780 I don't know, to maybe calm her down. 379 00:26:18,780 --> 00:26:30,620 But the fact that him letting her go and, I mean, if she's lifeless going all the way down to the bottom of the ocean, that's the odd part. 380 00:26:30,620 --> 00:26:31,500 Absolutely. 381 00:26:31,500 --> 00:26:35,020 Don't forget, she may have had that air embolism. 382 00:26:35,020 --> 00:26:35,740 Oh, yeah. 383 00:26:35,740 --> 00:26:38,700 Well, authorities believe this is what happened. 384 00:26:38,700 --> 00:26:44,620 When Gabe went in for that hug, imagine putting your arms around somebody. 385 00:26:44,620 --> 00:26:49,020 He turned Tina's oxygen tank off in order to suffocate her. 386 00:26:49,020 --> 00:26:53,660 Then after Tina was dead, he turned the tank back on and swam away. 387 00:26:53,660 --> 00:26:54,940 Wow. 388 00:26:54,940 --> 00:26:59,580 I mean, I suppose I can kind of see what the prosecutors are saying here. 389 00:26:59,580 --> 00:27:07,340 But let me reiterate that this is what the prosecutors are saying what happened, not what I'm saying what happened. 390 00:27:07,340 --> 00:27:08,940 Gabe pled guilty. 391 00:27:08,940 --> 00:27:19,660 He was placed on trial in Brisbane, Australia, and was sentenced to four years behind bars, but ultimately served 18 months in an Australian prison before he was released. 392 00:27:19,660 --> 00:27:24,780 And that would be because he did plead guilty to involuntary manslaughter due to negligence. 393 00:27:24,780 --> 00:27:26,300 So that's what he was charged with. 394 00:27:26,300 --> 00:27:27,500 He took a plea deal. 395 00:27:27,500 --> 00:27:30,780 Yeah, I would probably say that's close to a plea deal. 396 00:27:30,780 --> 00:27:31,500 Sure. 397 00:27:31,500 --> 00:27:47,660 Well, it's not over yet because once Gabe was released from the Australian prison, he was held in a detention center until both Australia and US officials could work out details of his extradition back to Birmingham, Alabama. 398 00:27:47,660 --> 00:28:01,020 According to CNN, Australian authorities would not release Gabe to US officials until they received assurances that Gabe would not receive the death penalty in the United States should he be convicted for Tina's murder. 399 00:28:01,020 --> 00:28:02,620 He would or he would not? 400 00:28:02,620 --> 00:28:03,420 He would not. 401 00:28:03,420 --> 00:28:15,580 They would not release him until the United States prosecutors agreed that he would not receive the death penalty if he was convicted for Tina's murder in the United States. 402 00:28:15,580 --> 00:28:16,060 Wow. 403 00:28:16,060 --> 00:28:20,860 Because Australia had their time with him, it's Birmingham's time. 404 00:28:20,860 --> 00:28:32,300 Agreements were made and Gabe was deported and detained once he touched down in the Los Angeles, California airport and he was taken back to Birmingham, Alabama to stand trial. 405 00:28:32,300 --> 00:28:39,260 During that trial in 2012, Gabe was charged with murder for pecuniary gain. 406 00:28:39,260 --> 00:28:40,380 Did I say that right? 407 00:28:40,380 --> 00:28:44,620 I hope it's got something to do with life insurance and kidnapping. 408 00:28:44,620 --> 00:28:46,540 Where a felony occurred. 409 00:28:46,540 --> 00:28:48,540 So that part doesn't make sense to me. 410 00:28:48,540 --> 00:28:51,580 Why would he be charged with kidnapping with a felony? 411 00:28:51,580 --> 00:28:53,660 Yeah, no, it doesn't make any sense. 412 00:28:53,660 --> 00:29:03,580 Well, unfortunately, Birmingham prosecutors could not afford to fly in witnesses from Australia to testify on Tina's behalf. 413 00:29:03,580 --> 00:29:14,860 And although they had information taken from the Australian courts showing what could have happened to Tina, the reenactment team would not be able to cross examine in the United States. 414 00:29:14,860 --> 00:29:17,820 And remember, Shelby, this is all pre-COVID. 415 00:29:17,820 --> 00:29:22,540 So video conferencing was not a thing at that time in 2012. 416 00:29:22,540 --> 00:29:24,860 But in today's courts, you can certainly do that. 417 00:29:24,860 --> 00:29:27,420 There's so many different ways to get around that now. 418 00:29:27,420 --> 00:29:27,900 Yeah. 419 00:29:27,900 --> 00:29:39,980 Taking full advantage of the situation, Gabe's defense attorneys disputed all charges against Gabe Watson in front of a grand jury and requested that he be set free due to lack of evidence. 420 00:29:39,980 --> 00:29:51,900 To our listeners who are not in the United States, felony cases are brought in front of a grand jury who listens to the case to decide if there is enough evidence to take a case to trial. 421 00:29:51,900 --> 00:30:03,260 In Gabe's case, Tina's death was considered a capital case and it was indeed brought before the grand jury, which has a judge that oversees the case before the defendant stands trial. 422 00:30:03,260 --> 00:30:06,220 So there's a process before it even goes to trial. 423 00:30:06,220 --> 00:30:12,780 After much debate between the prosecutors and defense, who do you think the judge sided with, Shelbs? 424 00:30:12,780 --> 00:30:17,100 Hmm, the defense, it sounds like. I don't know. 425 00:30:17,100 --> 00:30:18,780 Okay. Yeah, you're right. 426 00:30:18,780 --> 00:30:30,700 After two weeks of proceedings, Judge Tommy Nail ruled in Gabe's favor, stating that prosecutors did not have enough evidence to try him for a crime worthy to send him to a jury trial. 427 00:30:30,700 --> 00:30:32,220 Wow. 428 00:30:32,220 --> 00:30:38,540 Judge Nail also rebuked any possibility that Gabe had killed Tina for insurance money. 429 00:30:38,540 --> 00:30:42,460 He was quoted as saying, the defendant buys an engagement ring. 430 00:30:42,460 --> 00:30:44,300 He gives it to his future bride. 431 00:30:44,300 --> 00:30:45,420 He marries her. 432 00:30:45,420 --> 00:30:49,900 He plans a trip halfway around the world that's paid for him by his family. 433 00:30:49,900 --> 00:31:00,060 He did all of that and planned it all out here so he could go over there and kill her so that he could get the same engagement ring he purchased. 434 00:31:00,060 --> 00:31:01,500 I see what he's saying there. 435 00:31:01,500 --> 00:31:07,820 The judge is trying to reason that Gabe would have had no reason to go halfway around the world to kill his wife. 436 00:31:07,820 --> 00:31:09,020 And that makes sense. 437 00:31:09,020 --> 00:31:10,220 Oh, I agree. 438 00:31:10,220 --> 00:31:19,020 Ultimately, Gabe had just escaped a life sentence without parole if he was convicted for this crime or alleged crime. 439 00:31:19,020 --> 00:31:21,980 Because again, there's a couple of stories going on here. 440 00:31:21,980 --> 00:31:30,700 Gabe's behavior after he returned home to the United States continued to cause alarm to local family and local prosecutors. 441 00:31:30,700 --> 00:31:39,100 In 2009, Gabe was caught on police video cameras using bolt cutters to cut flowers away from Tina's gravestone. 442 00:31:39,100 --> 00:31:45,020 Apparently, Tina's parents had fixated a stake at their daughter's grave that Gabe didn't like. 443 00:31:45,020 --> 00:31:53,500 He later stated that Tina would not have liked it either because the flower arrangements were made of plastic and he always bought her fresh flowers. 444 00:31:53,500 --> 00:31:54,940 You see anything wrong with that? 445 00:31:54,940 --> 00:31:56,220 He's grieving. 446 00:31:56,220 --> 00:31:58,700 Yeah, but so are her parents. 447 00:31:58,700 --> 00:31:59,740 Why would you do that? 448 00:31:59,740 --> 00:32:00,540 I don't know. 449 00:32:00,540 --> 00:32:03,340 I couldn't find in the article if they receive permission. 450 00:32:03,340 --> 00:32:09,500 I mean, you know, once you marry somebody, you give them away and you belong to the spouse. 451 00:32:09,500 --> 00:32:13,580 So cutting ties here, I understand both parties were grieving. 452 00:32:13,580 --> 00:32:19,020 I don't know if Gabe or Tina's parents paid for that cemetery plot. 453 00:32:19,020 --> 00:32:23,740 Therefore, I don't know who had the right to put the flowers on the stake there. 454 00:32:23,740 --> 00:32:25,420 But also shelves. 455 00:32:25,420 --> 00:32:32,060 Gabe's defense on his actions that day when he used those cutters to get rid of the flower stake. 456 00:32:32,060 --> 00:32:34,860 He said that he was still grieving, obviously. 457 00:32:34,860 --> 00:32:40,060 Plus, he had just spent those years in Australian prisons for her murder. 458 00:32:40,060 --> 00:32:42,300 Plus, stood trial in America. 459 00:32:42,300 --> 00:32:44,460 Obviously, he's under a lot of stress. 460 00:32:44,460 --> 00:32:45,660 I get it. 461 00:32:45,660 --> 00:32:51,660 But I guess my question here is, could Gabe have had additional charges for vandalism? 462 00:32:51,660 --> 00:32:52,380 I don't know. 463 00:32:52,380 --> 00:32:54,380 It's his wife's grave site. 464 00:32:54,380 --> 00:32:58,780 Long story short, Gabe Watson paid his debt to society in Australia. 465 00:32:58,780 --> 00:33:06,380 He was acquitted for any wrongdoing in America and eventually remarried a woman around 2008 466 00:33:06,380 --> 00:33:11,180 that, in my opinion, Shelby, when I was looking at these articles, 467 00:33:11,180 --> 00:33:15,420 she bears somewhat of a similar resemblance to Tina. 468 00:33:15,420 --> 00:33:16,700 But no judgment here. 469 00:33:16,700 --> 00:33:17,500 You have types. 470 00:33:17,500 --> 00:33:18,700 Wow. 471 00:33:18,700 --> 00:33:19,420 Yeah. 472 00:33:19,420 --> 00:33:21,660 You have a type and you kind of stick with that, right? 473 00:33:21,660 --> 00:33:22,300 Yeah. 474 00:33:22,300 --> 00:33:27,740 So how about the diving company that took Gabe and Tina out on their excursion that day? 475 00:33:27,740 --> 00:33:29,180 Should they be held accountable? 476 00:33:29,180 --> 00:33:30,140 What do you think? 477 00:33:30,140 --> 00:33:31,660 I would think no. 478 00:33:31,660 --> 00:33:35,660 I would think that they'd have to sign some kind of waiver before diving, 479 00:33:35,660 --> 00:33:41,580 saying that the diving companies should not be held liable for any unfortunate events. 480 00:33:41,580 --> 00:33:42,060 True. 481 00:33:42,060 --> 00:33:45,740 And sometimes, even when you do that, they are still found accountable. 482 00:33:45,740 --> 00:33:46,220 Yeah. 483 00:33:46,220 --> 00:33:53,740 This company was fined $6,500 under the Workplace Health and Safety Act of 1995 484 00:33:53,740 --> 00:33:57,260 for failing to comply to safety procedures, 485 00:33:57,260 --> 00:34:02,940 which included the fact that Tina was a novice diver and should not have been allowed to 486 00:34:02,940 --> 00:34:08,460 participate in that red flag dive that day due to those strong current conditions. 487 00:34:08,460 --> 00:34:09,740 So that makes sense. 488 00:34:09,740 --> 00:34:10,300 Yeah. 489 00:34:10,300 --> 00:34:14,540 Tina nor Gabe participated in a dive orientation. 490 00:34:14,540 --> 00:34:17,740 Although the excursion company had three professional divers, 491 00:34:17,740 --> 00:34:20,700 the couple was never supervised in open water. 492 00:34:20,700 --> 00:34:26,940 And to be clear, Tina did refuse diving orientation and they let her dive anyway. 493 00:34:26,940 --> 00:34:27,980 Oh, wow. 494 00:34:27,980 --> 00:34:32,940 Well, Shelbs, that is the story of Gabe and Tina Watson. 495 00:34:32,940 --> 00:34:37,020 We would love to receive feedback from our listeners on this storyline 496 00:34:37,020 --> 00:34:39,260 or any of our other episodes. 497 00:34:39,260 --> 00:34:43,820 Be sure to DM us on Instagram and let us know what you think. 498 00:34:43,820 --> 00:34:47,660 So there you have it, Shelbs, Gabe and Tina Watson. 499 00:34:47,660 --> 00:34:49,180 That was a really good one. 500 00:34:49,180 --> 00:34:50,780 I enjoyed that one. 501 00:34:50,780 --> 00:34:53,660 I want to watch the 2020 episode. 502 00:34:53,660 --> 00:34:55,820 Yeah, I'm sure you can probably find that on YouTube. 503 00:34:55,820 --> 00:34:57,820 YouTube, yeah, that's what I was thinking too. 504 00:34:57,820 --> 00:34:59,020 Well, thank you. 505 00:34:59,020 --> 00:35:01,260 Do we have a teachable moment today? 506 00:35:01,260 --> 00:35:02,620 We do, Shelby. 507 00:35:02,620 --> 00:35:06,380 Always on Dying to be Found, never on Dying to be Found the Dash. 508 00:35:08,460 --> 00:35:09,420 Teachable moment. 509 00:35:09,420 --> 00:35:10,700 Quit being judgy. 510 00:35:10,700 --> 00:35:16,460 Shelby, this case is a perfect example of how people can make assumptions based on what they hear. 511 00:35:16,460 --> 00:35:20,620 And you're hearing the details of Gabe and Tina Watson from me. 512 00:35:20,620 --> 00:35:25,100 And you know me, I'm going to bring you the storyline with as much integrity as possible. 513 00:35:25,100 --> 00:35:27,340 But do you think Gabe is guilty? 514 00:35:27,340 --> 00:35:28,220 Don't answer that. 515 00:35:28,220 --> 00:35:29,820 It's a hypothetical question. 516 00:35:29,820 --> 00:35:34,140 My point is that everybody's interpretation is a little different. 517 00:35:34,140 --> 00:35:40,460 Look at how Australia and the United States officials took a different stance on Gabe's guilt or innocence. 518 00:35:40,460 --> 00:35:46,940 My teachable moment here is to take care not to judge until you know 100% of the facts. 519 00:35:46,940 --> 00:35:49,100 Otherwise, you're succumbing to gossip. 520 00:35:49,100 --> 00:35:54,300 Do your own research and don't take our word for it as far as what happened in this case. 521 00:35:54,300 --> 00:35:59,340 Too many times, Shelby, we assume things and you know what happens when we assume. 522 00:35:59,340 --> 00:36:00,540 You know that saying, right? 523 00:36:00,540 --> 00:36:01,260 Yes. 524 00:36:01,260 --> 00:36:02,780 So that's my teachable moment. 525 00:36:02,780 --> 00:36:03,900 That's a good one. 526 00:36:03,900 --> 00:36:04,620 Thank you. 527 00:36:04,620 --> 00:36:05,580 All right. 528 00:36:05,580 --> 00:36:07,340 Well, thanks for listening. 529 00:36:07,340 --> 00:36:09,820 Be sure to check us out next Thursday. 530 00:36:09,820 --> 00:36:14,380 And if you can't wait that long, head on over to Dying to be Found the Dash. 531 00:36:14,380 --> 00:36:20,380 Check out our socials to learn about that and be sure to download the Dash every Wednesday. 532 00:36:20,380 --> 00:36:27,740 If you're a true crime podcaster or someone in the true crime industry and you'd like to be featured on Dying to be Found the Dash, 533 00:36:27,740 --> 00:36:30,460 shoot me an email found in our show notes. 534 00:36:30,460 --> 00:36:31,660 Talk to you soon. 535 00:36:31,660 --> 00:36:32,860 Bye. 536 00:36:32,860 --> 00:36:35,180 Thanks for listening to Dying to be Found. 537 00:36:35,180 --> 00:36:40,380 Before we go, we would love for you to leave a review on your favorite podcast platform. 538 00:36:40,380 --> 00:36:46,060 Be sure to follow us on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, and Pinterest at Dying to be Found. 539 00:36:46,060 --> 00:36:54,700 You can access our website, email, social media, and storyline request form by clicking on our Linktree account found in our show notes. 540 00:36:54,700 --> 00:37:03,420 If you like our episodes, consider buying us a coffee at BuyMeACoffee.com slash Dying to be Found, spelled just like you see it on our logo. 541 00:37:03,420 --> 00:37:07,100 Feel free to message us on Instagram and let us know how we're doing. 542 00:37:07,100 --> 00:37:12,140 With that, be sure to check us out every Thursday wherever you get your podcasts. 543 00:37:12,140 --> 00:37:16,700 We will talk to you all next week.