1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,040 Hi everyone, this is Deb from Dying to be Found. 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:07,840 Before we get started, I just wanted to say that episodes contain disturbing discussions 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:12,400 on harmful acts and crimes against animals and or humankind. 4 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:17,640 Recordings are not intended for young or sensitive audiences due to the content nature of this 5 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:18,640 podcast. 6 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:23,800 Listener discretion is strongly advised. 7 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:25,640 Hi everyone, I'm Deb. 8 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:27,320 And I'm Shelby. 9 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:29,400 And Shelby, here we go again. 10 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:33,320 I'm so excited because we've made our rotation and you're up. 11 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:36,240 This is so exciting that I'm doing this rotation with my family. 12 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:37,920 I'm loving this. 13 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:38,920 Me too. 14 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:40,720 I am ready for spring break. 15 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:41,720 Me too. 16 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:43,160 I say that I just had my spring break. 17 00:00:43,160 --> 00:00:44,160 Yeah, you did. 18 00:00:44,160 --> 00:00:47,520 You had spring break before spring break, but I'm ready like for the beach. 19 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:49,120 Well, you went to the beach, didn't you? 20 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:50,120 We did. 21 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:51,120 Yeah, but it was pretty cold. 22 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:53,360 Yeah, still obviously a little cold. 23 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:57,240 There's still frost and ice and all that good stuff, but we're not here to talk about the 24 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:58,240 weather. 25 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:01,320 We're here to talk about what an amazing week we had. 26 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:06,760 We had so much feedback and I appreciate our listeners. 27 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:10,760 I got great emails this week, so more power to you. 28 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:16,400 I appreciate everybody sending in the love that you're feeling about season two because 29 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:17,960 I know I'm feeling it. 30 00:01:17,960 --> 00:01:19,800 Yay, that's so exciting. 31 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:20,800 I know. 32 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:22,440 So keep those emails coming. 33 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:23,640 We appreciate it. 34 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:28,560 If you're new to Dying to be Found, we've gone a few rounds with my sister, Beth. 35 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:34,120 We've gone with you, Shelby, and your brother, Corey, not to mention our Dash episodes with 36 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:37,460 some really amazing fellow podcasters. 37 00:01:37,460 --> 00:01:43,480 So if you have not had a chance to check that out, you can listen to us on Apple podcasts 38 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:48,020 or go find Dying to be Found, The Dash on Spotify. 39 00:01:48,020 --> 00:01:51,580 And those are those shorter versions, those collab sessions. 40 00:01:51,580 --> 00:01:53,920 So once again, thank you so much. 41 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:59,400 I am still lining up guests to join in on The Dash, so be sure to DM me if you want 42 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:01,840 to help me out on future episodes. 43 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:06,480 Shelbs, I'm truly amazed with the amount of support we're getting from our True Crime 44 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:11,560 community and it's a real eye opener on how many of us are doing the same thing, but we're 45 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:13,200 really looking out for each other. 46 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:14,200 So thanks again. 47 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:15,700 Yeah, that's so awesome. 48 00:02:15,700 --> 00:02:21,000 And we can't forget about loyal listeners, Shelby, because I want to give a shout out 49 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,640 to Katie who suggested the story today. 50 00:02:23,640 --> 00:02:25,540 So thanks so much, Katie. 51 00:02:25,540 --> 00:02:30,140 If anyone has a storyline that you would like to hear, make sure you look in our show notes 52 00:02:30,140 --> 00:02:34,520 and send us a request and we will definitely get it in the airwaves. 53 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:37,280 All right, Shelby, let's get started. 54 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:38,280 Let's do it. 55 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:39,800 And here's my question for you today. 56 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:40,800 Alrighty. 57 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,400 How often do you call your grandmother? 58 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,000 Probably not as often as I should. 59 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:50,720 But you do a really good job because every time I talk with her, she is always so excited 60 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:51,720 to hear from you. 61 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,120 And to be honest, I mean, that's wonderful. 62 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:58,720 We're so spread out, but it's really, it just warms my heart how much she loves those calls. 63 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,600 So from me to you, thanks for calling your grandma. 64 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:04,600 Maybe I'll call her tonight. 65 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:09,520 Oh, you should, but don't tell her we have this podcast because listeners, Gran does 66 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,840 not know that we're doing this podcast. 67 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:16,600 We've kept the secret for over a year now. 68 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:22,680 All right, so the reason I'm asking that Shelby is because I talk to your grandmother once 69 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:24,720 a week and it's usually on a Tuesday. 70 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:28,920 And I swear there are days when I'm trying to get in touch with her and she doesn't pick 71 00:03:28,920 --> 00:03:29,920 up the phone. 72 00:03:29,920 --> 00:03:32,720 So I'm thinking, okay, she's got an appointment that she didn't tell me about. 73 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:38,000 Well, if I don't end up talking to her by Thursday, you can be darn tooting that I'm 74 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:42,680 going to be texting your aunt Kathy to see if she's heard from your grandmother. 75 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:46,680 And that's kind of how I work, but I also work that way in your life as well, because 76 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:51,240 you know, if I don't hear from you, I'm going to be texting you, I'm going to be calling 77 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,760 you and then you know the next step. 78 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:54,760 Yep. 79 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:56,760 I sure do. 80 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:57,760 All right. 81 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:01,700 Today is a story about a sweet elderly couple. 82 00:04:01,700 --> 00:04:04,100 And I'm going to bring you back to Georgia, Shelby. 83 00:04:04,100 --> 00:04:11,080 This couple lived in Eatonton, Georgia, which is located about an hour Southeast of Atlanta 84 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:12,740 near Lake Oconee. 85 00:04:12,740 --> 00:04:16,320 And I don't know if you remember where that's at, but that was not too far from where you 86 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:17,320 grew up. 87 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:18,320 Yes. 88 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:19,320 Yep. 89 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:20,320 I sure remember that. 90 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:21,320 I'll tell you something else. 91 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:24,240 I know you hold a special place in your heart for elderly people. 92 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:29,320 So I'm really going to do my best, Shelby, to keep our emotions in check today. 93 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:35,120 And I'm going to try not to make you cry because according to some of my storytelling techniques, 94 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:36,760 I tend to do that from time to time. 95 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:38,480 And I really don't mean to do that today. 96 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:39,480 We'll see. 97 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:40,480 Let's get started. 98 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:41,480 Are you ready? 99 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:42,480 I'm ready. 100 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,960 Listeners, I don't know what any of these stories are before we do this. 101 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:49,760 So everything is a complete surprise to me. 102 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:50,760 Yeah. 103 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:51,760 Yeah. 104 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:54,560 And I don't know if you may have heard about this one and we'll just see. 105 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:56,880 I mean, I know you keep up with Georgia news. 106 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:57,880 I do. 107 00:04:57,880 --> 00:04:58,880 Yes. 108 00:04:58,880 --> 00:04:59,880 All right. 109 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:05,040 Russell Dermond was an 88 year old World War II Navy veteran married to 87 year old 110 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,800 Shirley on December 15th, 1950. 111 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:15,440 In 2014, Shelby, a little bit of a spoiler alert, there was a crime that took place. 112 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:23,000 And when this crime did occur in 2014, Russell and Shirley had been happily married for 64 113 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:24,000 years. 114 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:25,000 Wow. 115 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:26,000 That's a long time. 116 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:27,000 I know. 117 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:31,320 That's such a beautiful story when I hear that people have been married that long. 118 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:33,880 To me, that is what fairy tales are made of. 119 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:39,360 Sure is and you know the 64 years, they weren't happy all the time, but to make it that long. 120 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:40,640 Oh yeah, for sure. 121 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:46,520 Well, they had four children, nine grandchildren, and many of whom would stay with them over 122 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:47,680 summer breaks. 123 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:53,720 I completely get that because we do the same thing since we're so spread out and the Germans 124 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,600 were all about family like that. 125 00:05:56,600 --> 00:06:03,140 I had told you that they had moved to Eatonton, Georgia after retiring from clock manufacturing 126 00:06:03,140 --> 00:06:05,400 in the fast food franchise industry. 127 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:10,820 They bought a home near Lake Oconee in Putnam County, which Shelby on today's market is 128 00:06:10,820 --> 00:06:14,200 a highly, and I mean highly desirable area. 129 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:15,560 It's on the lake. 130 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:17,960 It's got lots of land. 131 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:19,680 It's really a nice place in Georgia. 132 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:21,000 Yeah, for sure. 133 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:26,560 And I actually think that Lake Oconee is the cleanest lake in Georgia. 134 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:27,560 Is it? 135 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:28,560 I think so. 136 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:29,560 I think they do testing. 137 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:30,560 How do you know that? 138 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:36,640 I think a previous boyfriend's stepdad's parents lived on Lake Oconee. 139 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:40,560 Oh, I would never have been. 140 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:41,560 Oh, I gotcha. 141 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:42,560 Okay. 142 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:43,960 I'm glad I could bring back memories. 143 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:44,960 Yeah. 144 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:45,960 All right. 145 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:49,360 The neighborhood that the Germans lived in was pretty upscale. 146 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:54,840 It was a gated community with large 3000 square foot homes. 147 00:06:54,840 --> 00:06:56,080 They were all brick homes. 148 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:59,280 I mean, so imagine gated community, brick homes. 149 00:06:59,280 --> 00:07:00,280 You've seen all of that. 150 00:07:00,280 --> 00:07:01,280 Oh yeah. 151 00:07:01,280 --> 00:07:02,280 That's huge. 152 00:07:02,280 --> 00:07:03,280 Yeah. 153 00:07:03,280 --> 00:07:07,080 Well, the Germans lived in a 4,000 square foot estate in a cul-de-sac. 154 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:11,520 For those of you who don't know what a cul-de-sac is, it's a dead end in a neighborhood where 155 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:16,080 houses are built sort of in a circle and people can turn around pretty easily. 156 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:21,560 I mean, Shelby, I grew up on a gravel cul-de-sac and we just called it a circle back then. 157 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:22,600 Yeah. 158 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:23,920 Let's go meet at the circle. 159 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:25,200 That's what we would say. 160 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:26,200 Yep. 161 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:27,200 Everybody on their bikes. 162 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:28,200 Let's go meet at the circle. 163 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:35,760 Well, the Germans moved to Lake Oconee to enjoy their retirement, playing golf and socializing 164 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:37,900 with neighbors pretty regularly. 165 00:07:37,900 --> 00:07:43,600 They lived in their Lake Oconee home on the cul-de-sac for about 15 years. 166 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:44,760 So they were pretty established. 167 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:46,040 Yeah, for sure. 168 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:51,920 A lot of articles that I read stated that Shirley loved writing, gardening, and working 169 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:53,620 on crossword puzzles. 170 00:07:53,620 --> 00:07:58,680 She was also an artist and attended weekly visits with friends to play bridge. 171 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:00,520 Now that's a lost art, Shelby. 172 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:02,040 I don't know if you've ever played that. 173 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:03,040 It's a card game. 174 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:04,120 I have not. 175 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:08,920 I've heard of it, but I couldn't tell you how to play and I don't think I've ever played. 176 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:10,000 Nope, neither have I. 177 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:15,760 But it was really big back in the fifties and probably even further back from there. 178 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:19,720 But back in the day when we didn't have all these distractions, a lot of people just sat 179 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,960 around playing cards and I love doing that. 180 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,600 I love to sit and play cards with my friends. 181 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:27,360 One of my favorite things to do actually. 182 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:28,360 Me too. 183 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:29,360 I love poker. 184 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:31,880 Yeah, you were the one to teach me how. 185 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:36,400 I believe the first time we played is you had to write down all the directions because 186 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:37,720 I didn't know how to play poker. 187 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,200 I remember that. 188 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:41,200 I'm sure. 189 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:44,520 I probably have those instructions somewhere. 190 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:51,560 On May 1st, 2014, just five days before their murder, Russell German was captured on surveillance 191 00:08:51,560 --> 00:08:53,700 at a local bank in a grocery store. 192 00:08:53,700 --> 00:08:57,040 He was basically running errands that day, Shelby. 193 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,320 There was nothing about the footage. 194 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:02,640 He had just gone to the grocery store to pick up some prescriptions. 195 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:08,160 I believe his wife was having some eye surgery or some type of surgery coming up, so he was 196 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:09,960 just going to get prescriptions. 197 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:12,080 He was just making his rounds for the day. 198 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:14,360 Nothing unusual about what he was doing. 199 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:15,840 He wasn't acting funny. 200 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:16,840 Nothing like that. 201 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:21,000 In fact, both Russell and Shirley had very reliable schedules. 202 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:26,380 Remember, they're retired, so they probably have a pretty regular routine. 203 00:09:26,380 --> 00:09:32,240 They were always very social and taking part in neighborhood activities, golfing, all sorts 204 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:33,240 of stuff. 205 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:34,640 I can't wait to be retired. 206 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:39,160 Believe it or not, funny that you say that. 207 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:44,440 I have really been crunching some numbers in the last couple of weeks, and I think I 208 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:45,440 got it pretty down pat. 209 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:50,520 I just need to see if I'm going to retire early or maybe stick around for a couple more 210 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:51,520 years. 211 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:52,520 I'm not sure what I'm going to do. 212 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:55,400 Obviously, the longer you stay, the more money you're going to bring home every month. 213 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:59,560 But yeah, I've just been looking at that, and my retirement, Shelby, is looking pretty 214 00:09:59,560 --> 00:10:00,560 good. 215 00:10:00,560 --> 00:10:01,560 That's awesome. 216 00:10:01,560 --> 00:10:02,560 All right. 217 00:10:02,560 --> 00:10:10,240 On May 3rd, 2014, Russell and Shirley Durmond had plans to attend a neighborhood party to 218 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:12,200 watch the Kentucky Derby. 219 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:16,780 How cool is that to go watch the Kentucky Derby with your friends? 220 00:10:16,780 --> 00:10:17,780 That is so cultured. 221 00:10:17,780 --> 00:10:19,480 That is pretty cool. 222 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:21,360 I wonder if they wore all the big hats. 223 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:22,360 Oh yeah. 224 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:26,360 I mean, that too, and who coordinates a party, a get together like that? 225 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:28,000 I'm envisioning Julia Roberts. 226 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:32,200 Do you remember that scene where she, I think she was at the Kentucky Derby, wasn't she? 227 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:33,200 Yes. 228 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:34,200 Wearing a hat. 229 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:35,200 It was so cool. 230 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:36,200 I don't think, no. 231 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:37,960 Well, it wasn't the Kentucky Derby. 232 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:40,080 They were playing like polo or something. 233 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:41,800 Oh yes, yes, yes. 234 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:42,800 I got you. 235 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:44,680 Well, that's what I was envisioning, but you're right. 236 00:10:44,680 --> 00:10:49,720 Well, Russell and Shirley should have arrived with hors d'oeuvres in hand, but the party 237 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:51,160 came and went. 238 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:52,780 Nobody had heard from them. 239 00:10:52,780 --> 00:10:54,600 This was a little unusual. 240 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:59,000 I told you that the Germans were really good about their routine. 241 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:04,600 They were very communicative with the neighborhood and it was unusual for them not to show up 242 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:06,240 to a planned event. 243 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:11,480 And it kind of reminds me, Shelby, of my in-laws because they're regular party goers just like 244 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:12,480 this. 245 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:13,480 And it's so cool. 246 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,640 They're just wondering about these wonderful parties they're going to in the neighborhood. 247 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:18,280 It just sounds like a lot of fun. 248 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:19,280 Yeah. 249 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:24,040 The neighbors who were expecting Russell and Shirley didn't just assume that they hadn't 250 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:27,400 showed up for that planned Kentucky Derby event. 251 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:30,040 They eventually went to go check on them. 252 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:32,360 They called several times. 253 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:33,720 They just got voicemail. 254 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:37,480 So at least they were trying to call and see what was up because they knew it was unusual. 255 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,280 Yeah, that's a little bit of a red flag. 256 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:46,600 On May 6th, three days after that Kentucky Derby party, neighbors decided it was time 257 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:48,680 to go check on the Germans. 258 00:11:48,680 --> 00:11:53,280 Instead of just calling them, they actually had some really pretty flowers left over from 259 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:57,200 the party and they decided to take those over to Russell and Shirley. 260 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:02,520 It's my thoughts, Shelby, that they probably use this as a decoy just to check up on things 261 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:04,840 and making sure everything's okay. 262 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:09,280 It's good to have neighbors like that, especially if you don't have family living close by. 263 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:10,280 Yeah. 264 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:16,320 The neighbors stopped at the Germans' house and this is when things got a little bizarre 265 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:17,320 shelves. 266 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:21,720 The neighbor found the back door unlocked and they decided to go inside. 267 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:23,880 I mean, I've had neighbors like that before. 268 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:29,360 If I've forgotten to turn off the curling iron or I think I left the stove on, what 269 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:33,440 have you, we had a really good set of neighbors in the neighborhood that you grew up in and 270 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:35,000 we would do that for each other. 271 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,760 We'd just check on things if the neighbor wasn't home. 272 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:40,760 So that's what these neighbors did. 273 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:42,760 They started looking around. 274 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:49,200 They didn't find anything out of place and they eventually made their way to the garage. 275 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:50,200 Is that something you would check? 276 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,000 Do you think you would check the garage? 277 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:53,680 Oh no. 278 00:12:53,680 --> 00:12:55,800 Probably to see if the cars were there, right? 279 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:56,960 Yeah, absolutely. 280 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:03,440 Well, Shelbs, what the neighbor walked into was absolutely horrifying and I'm going to 281 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:04,880 give a trigger warning. 282 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:06,440 It's pretty graphic. 283 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:11,420 When they walked into the Germans garage, they discovered that Russell had been decapitated 284 00:13:11,420 --> 00:13:17,160 and was lying in between the couple's two cars on the floor surrounded with towels. 285 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:19,480 Oh my gosh. 286 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:20,480 Are you okay? 287 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:22,480 Yeah, it gave me goosebumps. 288 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:23,480 I know. 289 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,000 Well, it's not the worst of it Shelbs. 290 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:31,880 Russell's head was missing and was nowhere and I mean nowhere to be found at the crime 291 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:32,880 scene. 292 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:34,800 So it was not on the premises. 293 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:35,800 Wow. 294 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:39,440 Obviously, police came along rather quickly. 295 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:45,720 They did not find any evidence of forced entry or a struggle at the scene and really Shelbs, 296 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:50,200 there's even a question as to if Russell and Shirley had even been killed at their own 297 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:54,160 house because nothing seemed out of place. 298 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:55,640 Everything had a spot for it. 299 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:59,200 There was no foreign DNA in the couple's house. 300 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:01,400 No valuables were missing. 301 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:07,120 Police believe that Russell had been decapitated post-mortem because the crime scene was not 302 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:13,220 covered in any blood and all those towels were placed around his body to keep his blood 303 00:14:13,220 --> 00:14:17,280 from trickling out or at least this is what the police believe. 304 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:23,200 All those towels that were placed around Russell's body or at least the police believe was to 305 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:27,720 keep his blood from trickling out from underneath the garage door into the driveway. 306 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:29,160 That's so sad. 307 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:30,160 Where's Shirley? 308 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:31,160 Exactly. 309 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:32,680 We're going to get to that in just a minute. 310 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:35,940 Yeah, but she was not there and I'll tell you why in just a moment. 311 00:14:35,940 --> 00:14:39,340 There was gunshot residue on Russell's collar. 312 00:14:39,340 --> 00:14:45,800 So investigators do believe that Russell had been shot, but why somebody would have taken 313 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:51,400 his head is still a mystery even today because it's never been recovered Shelbs. 314 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:52,400 It's never been recovered. 315 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:54,800 Well, I'm glad they do think it's post-mortem. 316 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:57,000 Yes, I agree. 317 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:01,640 It's sad that that happened, but at least hopefully it sounds like it was fairly quick 318 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:04,600 and you know, not too much suffering involved. 319 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:07,440 Yeah, I hope not. 320 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:11,600 Investigators believe this was the work of professionals because they didn't even find 321 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:13,340 shell casings there. 322 00:15:13,340 --> 00:15:18,720 So police believe that Russell's beheading was a way of sending a message, but to who? 323 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:20,180 That's the big question here. 324 00:15:20,180 --> 00:15:21,480 There's no answers. 325 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:22,480 Yeah. 326 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:27,720 So the police believe whoever did this to Russell did so to remove evidence. 327 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:35,520 They basically decapitated him Shelby so that they did not have gunshot wounds or calibers 328 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:36,980 or anything. 329 00:15:36,980 --> 00:15:41,640 If they didn't have the evidence Shelby, it's really hard to trace bullets, obviously. 330 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:43,440 Oh, I can imagine. 331 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:44,440 Yeah. 332 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:48,800 So they theorize that may have been one of the reasons why they did that to him. 333 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:54,600 Crime scene evidence shows that Shirley had been working on a USA Today newspaper crossword 334 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:57,320 puzzle based on her last activities. 335 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:02,800 Although the couple's bed was unmade, Russell was still in his pajamas and Shirley was fully 336 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:03,920 dressed. 337 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:07,460 This obviously was not unusual for an elderly couple. 338 00:16:07,460 --> 00:16:08,920 They were retired. 339 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:12,160 I'm sure that they probably like to sleep in a bit. 340 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:14,520 So nothing unusual about that. 341 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:17,280 I guess Shirley just got a head start for the day. 342 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:18,280 Right. 343 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:24,440 But investigators also discovered some of Shirley's hair wrapped around Russell's finger, 344 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:29,760 which suggests that at some point he was probably trying to protect her. 345 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:32,160 Oh, I know. 346 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:33,160 Right. 347 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:34,160 Why? 348 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:35,360 I know. 349 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:37,560 And you had asked where Shirley was. 350 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:38,560 Yeah. 351 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:44,160 Initially police theorize that she could have been involved in her husband's murder somehow, 352 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:46,500 like murder for hire. 353 00:16:46,500 --> 00:16:49,080 She wasn't found at the scene though. 354 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:50,220 Nothing was disturbed. 355 00:16:50,220 --> 00:16:52,280 So again, it's just a theory. 356 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:55,240 I mean, you just have to look in every direction here. 357 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:59,440 You just don't know what's going to happen until you look into it a little bit more. 358 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:02,160 So yeah, 64 years. 359 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:07,920 I mean, I saw the sweetest reel this week and it was about a couple who has been married 360 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:13,320 for 60 something years and the man was asking the woman, will you be my Valentine? 361 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:16,640 And she's like, I'm always your Valentine, honey. 362 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:18,640 It was so sweet. 363 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,080 Oh, that's so sweet. 364 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:22,080 It was. 365 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:30,280 Well, Shelbs, it was not until 10 days later that authorities found Shirley in Lake Ocone 366 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:34,840 by local fishermen while they were out fishing one day. 367 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:37,240 Oh, I know. 368 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:38,240 I know. 369 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:39,240 That's rough, Shelbs. 370 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:44,160 Shirley had been taken to Lake Ocone about five or six miles away from her home. 371 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:49,320 She was submerged into the lake after she had died and was tethered with parachute 372 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:53,200 cord to two 30 pound cement blocks. 373 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,200 Oh wow. 374 00:17:55,200 --> 00:18:01,280 And so this is kind of where they're thinking, well, was this a professional job of sorts? 375 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:02,340 Yeah. 376 00:18:02,340 --> 00:18:03,340 What happens, Shelby? 377 00:18:03,340 --> 00:18:07,320 I mean, regardless on how much weight you have somebody anchored down with or tethered 378 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:12,360 with, once you pass away, your body gases are going to kind of bring you to the surface. 379 00:18:12,360 --> 00:18:16,120 And that's how the fishermen were able to find her. 380 00:18:16,120 --> 00:18:21,140 It looked as though Shirley had been beaten to death with a hammer and died due to blunt 381 00:18:21,140 --> 00:18:23,120 force trauma to the head. 382 00:18:23,120 --> 00:18:24,120 Wow. 383 00:18:24,120 --> 00:18:27,760 But all I can say, Shelby, is I hope she didn't suffer very long. 384 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:33,480 It's not clear if she died before or after she was taken from the home. 385 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:38,560 I'm going to assume afterwards simply because nothing was disturbed and we keep going back 386 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:39,560 to that. 387 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:42,040 Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. 388 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:43,320 Well here's another thought. 389 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:48,500 I know the police know what they're doing when they investigate, but Shirley was found 390 00:18:48,500 --> 00:18:54,960 in Lake Ocone and I did not find any articles to say that authorities had swept the lake 391 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:58,000 other than just off their backyard. 392 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:02,100 Because if you were to look at pictures, Shelby, of their property, you could see that their 393 00:19:02,100 --> 00:19:04,600 backyard backs up to the lake. 394 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:05,880 So they had a lake home. 395 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:11,960 They had a boat ramp in their backyard, but again, Shirley was found six miles away. 396 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:18,440 So my thought process here is could they not have taken Russell's head and put it in the 397 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:20,920 lake along with Shirley? 398 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:23,360 Nothing in the articles that I read said that. 399 00:19:23,360 --> 00:19:24,840 That's a good thought. 400 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:26,520 That's very possible. 401 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:33,040 Well, police conducted a thorough investigation and interviewed around 250 people about these 402 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:34,040 deaths. 403 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:40,640 The Germans have surviving children, all of which took a polygraph regarding their parents' 404 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:41,640 murder. 405 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:42,640 They passed. 406 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:44,360 So nothing unusual there. 407 00:19:44,360 --> 00:19:50,320 Every resident and or handyman working in the neighborhood were questioned and nobody 408 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:52,360 raised suspicion. 409 00:19:52,360 --> 00:19:58,040 Police believe the cause of Russell and Shirley's death was due to a robbery gone wrong, although 410 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:03,440 there may be a little bit of evidence that shows the couple may have known their killers. 411 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:09,000 For a moment, police wondered if whoever killed Russell and Shirley may have been connected 412 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:16,000 to one of their sons who, remember now, this happened in 2014, their son was murdered in 413 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:19,780 the year 2000 due to a drug deal gone wrong. 414 00:20:19,780 --> 00:20:22,520 So of course, police are going to look at that angle. 415 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:24,600 Was there a connection that way? 416 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:28,720 Obviously, a lot of time passed, but there was really no substance to that. 417 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:30,280 So they moved on. 418 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:31,280 Right. 419 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:36,520 Ironically, Shelbs, the cameras around the neighborhood entrance that had been recently 420 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:41,360 knocked out due to a electrical storm, they had no footage. 421 00:20:41,360 --> 00:20:42,360 Wow. 422 00:20:42,360 --> 00:20:43,360 I know, right? 423 00:20:43,360 --> 00:20:46,760 But that makes me question the security cameras around the neighborhood. 424 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:48,460 It's 2014. 425 00:20:48,460 --> 00:20:50,080 It's a gated community. 426 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:53,280 Don't people in neighborhoods like that still have CCTV? 427 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,400 Yeah, you would think. 428 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:56,400 I would think. 429 00:20:56,400 --> 00:21:03,080 Well, the sheriff of Putnam County at the time is completely baffled about this case, 430 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:07,960 even to the point that he said it's embarrassing that it cannot be solved. 431 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:13,160 Good for him though, for being honest, because you definitely want an honest sheriff in town. 432 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:14,160 Yeah. 433 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:19,800 Whoever did this obviously knew that a bullet to the head could be traceable and remove 434 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,120 that problem at the scene. 435 00:21:22,120 --> 00:21:27,560 So again, we've got several theories of what's going on here, which I'm going to talk about. 436 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:33,880 Theory number one, could robbers have coasted up to the Dermans property by boat? 437 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,520 I told you that they had lake property. 438 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:40,280 Ooh, that's a good question. 439 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,400 I didn't think about that at all. 440 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:47,080 Yeah, I mean, that's an easy way to get into a gated community, isn't it? 441 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:48,080 Yeah. 442 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:51,120 I was thinking like, how would someone get through the gate? 443 00:21:51,120 --> 00:21:54,920 And then even when you said their property had backed up to the lake, I didn't even think 444 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:55,920 about that. 445 00:21:55,920 --> 00:22:01,800 Well, they could have cased the neighborhood prior to even coming in the back way. 446 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:06,840 They could have already realized Shirley and Russell lived on a cul-de-sac. 447 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:12,700 So you know cul-de-sacs don't have as much traffic as the through part of the neighborhood. 448 00:22:12,700 --> 00:22:15,260 And obviously we know this is a posh neighborhood. 449 00:22:15,260 --> 00:22:18,280 So whoever did this came for the cash. 450 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,000 It had to have been, you know, I mean, that's just part of it. 451 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:25,680 Or did they though, because there was nothing disturbed in the Dermans home? 452 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,920 Nothing and I mean nothing. 453 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:29,680 Sounds like it could be personal. 454 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:30,680 I don't know. 455 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:31,680 Yeah. 456 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:36,400 Well, it could be personal because authorities speculate that there could have been some 457 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:41,480 sort of grudge against the family, which is based on the fact that nothing was taken from 458 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:42,580 the house. 459 00:22:42,580 --> 00:22:46,240 And I had mentioned that the Dermans son had been involved with drugs. 460 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:50,160 But again, I mean, there's just no substance to that. 461 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:55,480 However, there is another theory that this could be a mafia hit. 462 00:22:55,480 --> 00:23:00,320 Again Shelves, the events surrounding the Dermans death was, and I hate to say it this 463 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,000 way, but it was flawless. 464 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:09,240 Shelves decapitation was so skilled and the killer or killers knew what they were doing. 465 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,240 But the question is why? 466 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:16,340 I mean, there's no substance to a mafia hit, but this is kind of where I had mentioned 467 00:23:16,340 --> 00:23:19,040 was it a professional hit? 468 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:20,400 What was going on? 469 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:26,640 There could have been ties to bets placed on the Kentucky Derby, but police maintained 470 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:31,720 this theory with a grain of salt because the Dermans were active churchgoers. 471 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:36,280 So even if they had bets amongst the neighborhood, it was not going to be a big thing. 472 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,160 It's like they wanted him to be found. 473 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:43,400 If they didn't, they would have put him in the lake too. 474 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:48,940 So there's, I don't know, there it's like a hidden message to me. 475 00:23:48,940 --> 00:23:50,360 You are so right. 476 00:23:50,360 --> 00:23:51,720 Like shock factor. 477 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:52,720 Right. 478 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:53,720 But you're right. 479 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,920 And that's just one of the theories. 480 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,600 If it's a message, who's the message to? 481 00:23:58,600 --> 00:23:59,880 That's what we need to know. 482 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:04,600 We're not going to solve that on today's episode, but it'd be really nice to know for sure. 483 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,600 So let's talk about some suspects here. 484 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:11,840 I mean, they knew somebody was going to come look in the house, you know? 485 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:13,720 Oh yeah, absolutely. 486 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:18,680 And the way they placed them, I mean, towels around his body, clearly they knew that he 487 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,120 was going to be found, but they didn't want him to be found for a couple of days. 488 00:24:22,120 --> 00:24:25,640 I mean, maybe they kept Shirley alive for a few days. 489 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,120 Yeah, maybe. 490 00:24:27,120 --> 00:24:28,120 We'll never know. 491 00:24:28,120 --> 00:24:30,560 Well, let's talk about some suspects here. 492 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:38,040 In September 2015, a man was arrested for slashing tires in the Germans neighborhood. 493 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:43,320 He went around to 24 homes and slashed those tires. 494 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:47,480 This man was living with his father in that neighborhood and had a criminal record of 495 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:51,240 violence and liked to carry a 10 inch knife. 496 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,800 However, after questioning, he was cleared. 497 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:57,160 I'm sure he got in trouble for slashing tires, but that was about it. 498 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,000 Yeah, I'm sure. 499 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:05,320 Apparently a real estate developer in the area at the time turned out to be a serial 500 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:06,320 killer. 501 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:07,320 Can you believe that? 502 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,560 A real estate developer. 503 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:10,920 What? 504 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:12,480 And I'm going to have to look into him. 505 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:17,360 I'm not placing his name in here right now, but I might have to look into him for a future 506 00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:18,360 episode. 507 00:25:18,360 --> 00:25:19,360 Wow. 508 00:25:19,360 --> 00:25:25,720 This man, he had been arrested after confessing to seven murders in South Carolina between 509 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:32,160 2003 and 2016, which was only a few hours away from the Germans house. 510 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:38,640 We're going towards Augusta, Georgia here, right over the Augusta line is South Carolina. 511 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:43,880 This guy had never confessed to the Germans murder, however, so of course the Putnam County 512 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,200 police reached a dead end. 513 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:47,200 That's ironic. 514 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:48,200 How so? 515 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:55,600 Because they passed away in 2014 and here he is, he's in the same area. 516 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,200 He is a serial killer. 517 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:58,200 True. 518 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:02,520 But if he's going to confess to seven murders in South Carolina, don't you think he confessed 519 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,240 to two more in Georgia? 520 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,080 I mean, you would think, but you never know. 521 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:08,500 That's true. 522 00:26:08,500 --> 00:26:13,840 So we're going to talk about some new technology in cell phone data. 523 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:18,040 Investigators feel like they're getting really close to solving this case. 524 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:23,600 Only in 2020, the FBI met with the Putnam County Sheriff's Department to collaborate 525 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,840 on how to use technology to solve this crime. 526 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,240 Shelby, I'm sorry. 527 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:34,520 Back in 2014, you still have cell towers and there's no reason why you can't look at phone 528 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:35,520 records. 529 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:36,520 Yeah. 530 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:37,520 Yes. 531 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:38,520 It's a little advanced. 532 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,720 We know that, but there's so many different ways that you can still look at technology 533 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,280 back in 2014. 534 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:51,160 However, as of February, 2023, just last month, it looks like authorities are getting closer 535 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:55,600 to solving this case due to the cell phone records on file. 536 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:56,600 Good. 537 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:57,600 Yeah. 538 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,160 They have forensic data that they can be looking at. 539 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,320 I mean, they dig deep. 540 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:07,720 Even if you delete texts or delete your phone history, they can still dig into it just like 541 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:08,920 a regular computer. 542 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:09,920 Wow. 543 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:10,920 Yeah. 544 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:16,800 The FBI is actively looking into Shirley and Russell's murders and say that between now 545 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:22,600 and the time that the couple's death occurred, it plays a world of difference as far as technology 546 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:23,600 goes. 547 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:24,600 Right. 548 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:31,040 I'm not sure what kind of phone activity would be different today, but they do say again 549 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:32,320 that they're getting closer. 550 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:33,320 So that's good. 551 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:34,320 Yeah, I'm sure. 552 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:40,520 Well, Shelbs, that is the unsolved case of Russell and Shirley Dermond. 553 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:45,320 If anyone has information on the killings of this couple, please call the Putnam County 554 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:53,560 Georgia Sheriff's Office at 706-485-8557. 555 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,660 This is one I definitely want to follow up on and keep track of. 556 00:27:57,660 --> 00:28:00,000 Have you heard of this case before we talked about it today? 557 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,200 No, I don't think so. 558 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:07,380 Maybe if I saw a picture, because I'm definitely better with faces than I am names, but definitely 559 00:28:07,380 --> 00:28:12,320 hope that somebody can give some kind of information and they figure this out. 560 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:18,400 Because I just couldn't imagine that for the family, you know, 87, 88 years old, they couldn't 561 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,960 have done much harm to anybody. 562 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,040 No, absolutely not. 563 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:27,260 Well, we would love to receive feedback from our listeners. 564 00:28:27,260 --> 00:28:30,080 Just give us a little critique on how we're doing so far. 565 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,120 All right, mom, what's our teachable moment for today? 566 00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:38,320 Shelbs, I say check on your elderly family members or friends often. 567 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:42,600 I mentioned that I call your grandmother every Tuesday. 568 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,280 Sometimes I feel like I should call her more often. 569 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:49,640 But sometimes elderly folks don't have relatives living close by. 570 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,560 I'm glad the Germans had neighbors that would watch out for them. 571 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:58,520 Shelby, when we lived in that house where you grew up in, we did have elderly neighbors 572 00:28:58,520 --> 00:28:59,520 next door. 573 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,080 They were in their 80s. 574 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:02,840 I was in my 20s. 575 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:09,040 But I always checked in with them several days a week, and I'm telling you, just aside 576 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:13,080 from that, I love talking with older people. 577 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:19,200 They have got really interesting stories about their lives and everything they've lived, 578 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:20,200 you know? 579 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:21,200 Sure. 580 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,560 I've got to have been, I don't even know, so, so young. 581 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:29,080 And I remember that huge ice storm that had come through. 582 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:33,640 And you know, I don't think they probably didn't have a fireplace, but we had a fireplace. 583 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:38,880 So I remember them coming to stay the night to stay warm. 584 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,680 And your dad was good about staying up and keeping that fire going for them. 585 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:47,520 Yeah, because we know as we get older, then we get cold a little bit more often. 586 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:48,520 Yeah. 587 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:49,520 Oh, yeah. 588 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:50,520 Yeah. 589 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:56,760 So my teachable moment, exercise a random act of kindness and make it a point to hypothetically 590 00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:02,920 adopt an elderly couple if you know that they live alone and they don't have family nearby. 591 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,160 There's so many benefits to this, Shelby. 592 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,400 You and I have experienced this. 593 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:13,840 You meet some really interesting people who have lived a lifetime of historical moments. 594 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,560 You feel good because you're helping out a friend. 595 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:21,800 And to be honest, Shelby, you're practicing the golden rule, which is what we really need 596 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:23,240 to be doing anyway. 597 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:27,960 And for those of you who don't know what that golden rule is, is to treat others as you 598 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:29,680 wish to be treated yourself. 599 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,160 Plain and simple. 600 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:32,160 That's humanity. 601 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:36,280 And we need to go back to caring more about others than ourselves. 602 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:37,840 So that's my teachable moment. 603 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,840 That's a good one. 604 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:40,840 Thank you. 605 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:41,840 You're welcome. 606 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,840 Well, thank you all for listening. 607 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,160 I hope that you have some great feedback. 608 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:55,360 Make sure 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