1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,040 Hi everyone, this is Deb from Dying to be Found. 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:12,340 Before we get started, I just wanted to say that episodes contain disturbing discussions on harmful acts and crimes against animals and or humankind. 3 00:00:12,340 --> 00:00:18,560 Recordings are not intended for young or sensitive audiences due to the content nature of this podcast. 4 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:34,000 Listener discretion is strongly advised. 5 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:35,920 That color looks good on you. 6 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:41,600 Thank you. Purple is technically my favorite color, but I don't wear it a lot. Yeah. 7 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:42,320 How come? 8 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:46,560 I don't know. I just, okay, do you know how far back my love of purple goes? 9 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:47,760 Not at all. 10 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:51,760 To Kathy's in my grape purple shag rug bedroom. 11 00:00:51,760 --> 00:01:03,520 Oh my gosh. I forgot yours was purple and conservative. I don't want to say conservative me because I'm kind of wacky, but I had a choice of going with that red. 12 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:04,720 Do you remember the red? 13 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:06,080 I do remember the red. 14 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:09,920 But I went with beige because I might want to change my room color. 15 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:11,600 Oh wow. 16 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:13,120 So I was being practical. 17 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:15,920 You sure were and I was just being me. 18 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:21,360 Well, that's good. Remember we used to have the rakes and we raked the shag carpeting? 19 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:31,680 After we vacuumed. Yeah. Do you remember that time that the three of us got in a fight and it was always that that was always you and Kathy against me or Kathy and me against you? 20 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:37,760 Never was it you and me against Kathy, but guess, do you remember when I threw that pint of milk at you? 21 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,240 I thought that was Kathy that did that. 22 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:48,160 No, you were egging me on. I was at the bottom of the stairs. I said, if you do not stop, I'm going to throw this at you. And then you just kept at it. And so guess what? 23 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:51,520 Now you didn't. The bag exploded. 24 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:53,280 Yes, but do you know what you guys did? 25 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:53,760 What? 26 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:58,720 You guys helped me clean it up before mom and dad got home and never got me in trouble. 27 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:01,920 I remember cleaning it up. 28 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:08,320 I probably would have said it was your fault and then you would have gotten in trouble. So, you know. 29 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:11,440 Oh my gosh. Hi everyone. It's Deb. 30 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:12,640 And I'm Beth. 31 00:02:12,640 --> 00:02:25,680 Beth, I am so excited. I'm loving this rotation. It's really, really working out really well. It's almost like it's a surprise to see you. We have so much to catch up on. I love this. 32 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:28,640 Great. I'm having fun too. 33 00:02:28,640 --> 00:02:29,920 How's your business? 34 00:02:29,920 --> 00:02:47,520 It's doing well. I went live on my blog and website and it is under BethStamps.com. If you want to see my blog and my Stampin' Up business is attached to that. So you'll see links. 35 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:56,320 I have a class coming up in two weeks and I have nine people attending and I expect them they'll all be buying because they want to just get into rubber stamping. 36 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:57,360 Wow. 37 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:59,920 Yes, I'm teaching them three cards. 38 00:02:59,920 --> 00:03:00,960 Oh yeah. 39 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:14,480 It's easy for you because if you sat there all the pieces would be cut for you. So I have a lot of work ahead of me to cut up pieces of card stock and all that for three different cards for nine people. 40 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,920 I love that. I wish I was closer. I would totally do that with you. 41 00:03:17,920 --> 00:03:21,200 Good for you. I'm excited. 42 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:22,160 Thanks. 43 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:38,480 I wanted to remind our listeners that you're the lucky recipient today of my oldie but goodie storylines because I don't think you are going to be disappointed, Beth. Do you remember when we talked about the Lake Bonham murders? 44 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:39,200 Yes. 45 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:57,200 I think that was around episode 38, something like that. So we had talked about this. You'd never heard of what we're going to talk about today and I thought, what the heck? I wanted to start this early on in the season and we're going to talk about the Dyatlov Pass incident. Have you looked that up yet? 46 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:58,480 No, I didn't. 47 00:03:58,480 --> 00:03:59,200 Okay, good. 48 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:00,400 Shall I do that now? 49 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:12,880 No, no, no, because I have got a lot in store for you today. First of all, you get to hear my, let's call it North American pronunciations because we are going to Russia. 50 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:16,720 Ah, that'll be really interesting. 51 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:29,040 Won't it though. I'm going to totally use my phonics on this. I practiced a little bit. I know I'm going to mess it up. So I'm going to apologize if anybody wants to write in and tell me the correct pronunciation. I'm just going to do my best. 52 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:46,880 Yeah. So we are going to talk about the Dyatlov Pass, which this incident was named after the leader of this hiking expedition. And I'm taking you all the way back to Russia in 1959 because you get my oldie but goodies. 53 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:50,320 I love it because I am into the oldies. 54 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,840 Well, let's bring it up to date just a little bit. Have you ever seen that movie Frozen? 55 00:04:53,840 --> 00:04:54,640 Sure did. 56 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:56,160 Oh, did you love it? 57 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,240 I did. I love that snowman. 58 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:00,000 Oh yeah. Olaf. 59 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:00,960 Olaf. 60 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:19,760 Oh, he's so cute. That is definitely one of my favorites. It's probably the last movie that I've watched with little kiddos in the house. I mean, I get sucked into these Disney movies all the time. It works on my emotions. They do such a good job on working on people's emotions. Yeah. 61 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:20,960 Oh, do they ever? 62 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:30,240 I just wanted to kind of bring that up to you. We're going to talk about that in just a little bit because you are not going to believe how that movie Frozen is going to come into play here. 63 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:30,960 Really? 64 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:39,120 Yeah. I mean, I was shocked when I was doing my research, but wow. Wow. So hang in there. Everybody hang in there. This is a good one. 65 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,160 It sounds it. Let's go. 66 00:05:42,160 --> 00:06:01,840 On January 23rd, 1959, 10 experienced hikers set out on a 200 mile trek in Russia's Ural mountains. They got their bath by traveling by train and truck. So they kind of had to do a little trains, planes, automobiles to get to their starting point. 67 00:06:01,840 --> 00:06:02,720 Okay. 68 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:24,960 By the time they left on their expedition, it was January 27th, 1959. Okay. So this is a group of travelers, hikers, mountaineers. They were all very experienced. They knew what they were doing. So they're going in a group. If there's one person who might get stuck, then somebody else is going to help them out because they know what to do. Right? 69 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:25,520 Good. 70 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:35,600 And one of the things that you should look at too is obviously if you're going to be taking a mountaineering trek like this, you'll want to look at the weather reports, right? 71 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:36,480 For sure. 72 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:52,920 Well, Russian weather bureaus classified the hikes in that mountain terrain where the group was headed. They classified that as a category three risk, which, you know, think about tornadoes and hurricanes. They also have that for snow and temperatures. 73 00:06:52,920 --> 00:07:04,200 And this was the riskiest ranking of weather for that time of year because the average temperatures, Beth, was negative 30 degrees Celsius or negative 22 degrees Fahrenheit. 74 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:09,120 I don't know why they would have gone if it was the riskiest weather ranking. 75 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:17,840 That is a good question. And I read a ton of articles. Never did I see one thing as to why they chose this time of the year. 76 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:26,000 I will say this, though, the majority of the people that were on this trek were students. And so maybe they had holiday. 77 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:34,960 And that might have been the only time that they could go because, you know, with my career, I usually have to plan my vacations around when I do have that time off. 78 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:42,160 So they could have done the same thing. And Beth, I mean, come on, it's Russia. So, you know, it's going to be cold most of the time anyway, right? 79 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:43,680 Yes. 80 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:50,800 Yeah. So maybe that was I'm just guesstimating. I have no idea because I didn't really find any information on there. 81 00:07:50,800 --> 00:08:01,200 But there was 10 of them that went on this trip. They'd all gone on multiple ski trips and tours and expeditions, mountain trips, hiking, things like that. 82 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:05,880 So there was no reason for concern since they had a safety in numbers. 83 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:12,880 For sure. Well, Igor Dyatlov was age 23 and he was studying radio engineering. 84 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:17,000 He led this group on their skiing and mountaineering expedition. 85 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:23,680 Now, Beth, I found this out just at the last minute while I was kind of closing up this research here. 86 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:28,880 I found out that he was supposed to send a telegram to the group's sporting club. 87 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:38,200 So they all belong to a sporting club and he was supposed to send a telegram as soon as they got back from their expedition, just letting somebody know that everybody was safe. 88 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:47,320 They estimated their time of return was going to be February 12th. So they left on January 27th. It was going to take probably two weeks. 89 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:57,720 They would be back from this trip February 12th, give or take a day because in expeditions like this, depending on the weather, things can either delay you or speed things up. 90 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:11,960 So let me tell you about the one other hiker. There was a man named Yuri Yidin and he had to actually turn back from this trek a little bit earlier than everybody else because he was not feeling well. 91 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:17,080 So he ended up saying, hey, I cannot take this journey with you. I'm just going to head on back. 92 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:26,800 So he was the one who took the information back to the sporting club that the rest of the group would be returning by February 12th. 93 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:37,640 Does that make sense? Yeah, total. Okay. So I'm going to start by talking about the hikers on this trip and Beth, spoiler alert, everybody dies. 94 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:41,880 Oh, and I don't want to be rough and tough about that, but that's a shame. 95 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:50,680 It is. When you mentioned the Lake Bodom murders, I thought maybe it would be a couple, but certainly not 10 of them. Well, nine of them. 96 00:09:50,680 --> 00:10:01,320 No, there were nine because Yuri, there was several people named Yuri on this trip, but Yuri Yidin went back because he was not feeling well. 97 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:11,800 So the nine hikers that were left that continued on this journey, as I go through these names, I'm going to kind of set the scene up front for you. 98 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:19,000 And it's one of those stories where you kind of see the ending first and then we come back around. 99 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:31,200 Okay, so we're going to start off by setting the scene on how these people were found at their campsite a couple of weeks after they had initially left for their expedition. 100 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:40,080 And as we come back around, you'll understand more about how they were found, where they were found and really what happened. 101 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:52,760 Okay, so to start off, all of these hikers were students at the Ural Polytechnic Institute in Yekaterinburg, Russia, except for one of these people on the track. 102 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:59,920 We not only had a group of really highly skilled mountaineers, Beth, but they were all engineers. 103 00:10:59,920 --> 00:11:06,080 They were highly intelligent as a group as well. Yeah. So you would think that nothing would go wrong, right? 104 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:14,960 Exactly. I'm going to start off by saying again that the group did start off with the 10 members and Yuri did drop out early. 105 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:24,600 Now, Yuri Uden was age 21. He was a fourth year student studying engineering and was one of those original hikers. 106 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:30,880 But again, he had to turn back, which left nine hikers to continue on with their venture. 107 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:36,680 And that would be seven men and two women. Going forward, you know that Yuri is the lucky one here. 108 00:11:36,680 --> 00:11:43,320 He did not meet his fate as everybody else did. For sure. But it already arouses my suspicions. 109 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:49,520 Oh, like how? Well, if he turned back, was he the one that caused their deaths? 110 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:58,120 Wow, Beth. Hmm. Let's see. Let me continue and we will figure that one out. You never know. 111 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:04,760 OK. OK. Now here comes some more of these Russian names. So forgive me, but I'll do my best. 112 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:11,400 Yuri Doroshenko, age 21, was a fourth year student studying radio engineering. 113 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:19,400 He was found face down lying next to one of his fellow hikers named Yuri Krivenyshenko. 114 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:25,080 He was barefoot and only wearing underwear, Beth. That's strange. 115 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:33,000 Holy. He had burns on his foot and right temple, along with multiple abrasions and bruises on his body. 116 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:41,160 Do you know what liver mortis is? No. So I'll tell you by saying that liver mortis set in on his back, 117 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:47,880 which suggested that his body had been moved. What liver mortis is, Beth, is once we pass away, 118 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:52,360 obviously your heart's going to stop. And that's when gravity kicks in. 119 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:58,200 I'm just giving a really short, brief, abridged version of this. But when we pass away, 120 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:04,600 the blood will gravitate towards, obviously it's going to go down. So if you're laying on your back, 121 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:10,840 then your blood is going to gravitate towards the bottom of your back. If you're laying on your 122 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:17,400 stomach and you stop breathing, your heart stops, then your blood is going to gravitate to the front 123 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:22,840 of your body. Well, that's interesting. Yeah. So liver mortis set in on his back, 124 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:28,280 which suggested at some point that his body had been moved. If he had liver mortis on his front, 125 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:32,760 but he was laying on his back, his whole front side would be that darker color. 126 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:40,600 All right. The next person was Lyudmila Dubanina. This was a female, age 20, 127 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:46,200 and she was a fourth year student studying engineering and economics. She was wearing 128 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:51,880 somebody else's sweater, which Beth had some radioactivity on it. When they tested it, 129 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:57,480 they found radioactivity on that sweater. Did they have a hunch where it came from? 130 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:01,560 Yep. There are some theories out there and I'm going to kind of save that to the end, 131 00:14:01,560 --> 00:14:08,200 but yeah, it definitely falls into one of the theories. Okay. Because it's kind of odd to have 132 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:13,880 radioactivity on you, especially if you're out in the elements and what's around there, nothing 133 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:21,400 that you would think would be radioactive. Oh yeah. Lyudmila's chest was caved in. She had broken 134 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:30,520 ribs and she was missing her tongue and eyes. Dear Lord. Right? What the heck? Exactly. And 135 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:35,640 honestly, that's probably what everybody, all the people that were out there looking for these 136 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:42,760 people that when they came upon them, they had to have been shocked. Tremendously. Alexander 137 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:50,680 Kolavetov, age 24, was a fourth year student studying nuclear physics. He was wearing someone 138 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:58,040 else's overalls, which also had radioactivity on it. So something was radioactive around them. 139 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:05,800 Soft tissue around his eyes and eyebrows were missing. His skull bones were exposed and he 140 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:11,080 had a deformed neck when they found him. This sounds like a science fiction movie. 141 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:19,400 It really does. Zaneta Komagorova, this was also a female, age 22, and she was a fifth year student 142 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:24,840 studying radio engineering. I mean, she was dressed for the weather, for whatever happened. She seemed 143 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:29,720 to be the, probably the one with the most clothing on, multiple layers. You know, from the cold, 144 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:38,760 you should be dressing like that anyway. Now, Yuri Krivnechenko, age 23, graduated in 1957 with a 145 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:46,280 degree in construction and hydraulics. Yuri was barefoot and only wearing his underwear. He was 146 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:53,560 found face up, laying next to the other man named Yuri. So there's two Yuris in this story going 147 00:15:53,560 --> 00:16:00,440 forward. He had burns on his left leg and left foot, along with multiple abrasions and bruises 148 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:09,000 on his body. Rustern Slobodin, age 23, graduated the year before in 1958 with an engineering 149 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:17,080 technology degree and he had a non-fatal crack in his skull and was dressed in multi-layer clothing. 150 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:25,720 So not too much damage to him. Nikolay Thebo Brignel, age 23, also graduated in 1958 with 151 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:33,720 a civil engineering degree. He was wearing Duba Nina's fur coat and hat. He had major skull injuries, 152 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:44,520 which the medical examiner determined was likely fatal. Simone Zoloterov, age 38, graduated in 1950 153 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:52,280 with a physical education degree and was a World War II veteran and sports instructor. He was wearing 154 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:59,800 Yuri Doroshenko's hat. He had a caved in chest, broken ribs and was missing his eyes. 155 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:06,600 Beth, he died with a pen in one hand and a small notepad in the other, but he had not written 156 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:14,760 anything down. Darn. Isn't that something? Yes. Any ideas? So I've gone through all the names here, 157 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:19,400 Beth. Do you have any ideas what could have happened with this group? Because you just said 158 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:29,960 it was a sci-fi. Well, I'm thinking Bigfoot because it's hard for any human being to get together with 159 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:37,080 nine people where they can't defend themselves and it's just bang, they're all gone. I know. And 160 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:42,680 that's so interesting about this, but I knew you were going to say that because I remember one of 161 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:47,960 our episodes when we did talk about Bigfoot, I think it was with Teresa Bear. You told me that 162 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:55,000 Bigfoot was nurturing. Do you remember that? I guess I was wrong. Well, actually no. If you think 163 00:17:55,000 --> 00:18:02,680 about it, Bigfoot is in North America on the Western side and Yetis are over across in the 164 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:10,360 European areas, right? Okay. Must have been a Yeti. Could have been. We'll continue. You got so many 165 00:18:10,360 --> 00:18:17,080 theories going on here. All right. Let me talk just about one thing from some journals because 166 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:23,640 the hikers actually did a pretty good job taking lots of pictures, Beth, and journaling. They did 167 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:28,840 a lot of notes in their journals. One of the notes from the hikers journals told us what they 168 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:37,480 encountered on February 1st, 1959. That would have been right around just a few days after 169 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:43,560 their journey started and they only hiked four kilometers or two and a half miles that day. 170 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:50,200 They set up camp around 5 PM on a mountain slope. Then they ate dinner around six or seven o'clock 171 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:58,760 that night. Now, two of the hikers, likely Simone Zolotaryov, the 38-year-old Beth, if you remember 172 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:05,400 him, the World War II vet, and Nikolay Thebo-Brignel, the 23-year-old, it was likely that 173 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:12,840 they bundled up and went outside possibly to, I don't know, smoke a cigarette maybe or relieve 174 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:18,120 themselves, but they bundled up to go outside for a few minutes. I'm going to jump ahead to the 175 00:19:18,120 --> 00:19:26,200 search and rescue that occurred on February 2nd of 1959. Obviously, Beth's family members became 176 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:33,800 worried and a search and rescue team did get dispatched out to look for this group on February 177 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:40,520 26th, 1959. They had that timeline of when they should have been returning somewhere around 178 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:47,800 February 12th. Now, one of the search member parties named Mikhail Sharavin was interviewed 179 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:53,960 just in 2019. This is what he said, Beth, that he found. You're shaking your head. 180 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:59,080 Beth Dombkowski Well, I'm shaking my head because I'm thinking 2019. That's so recent. 181 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:06,440 Beth Dombkowski That would have been 64 years ago. So, he's probably got to be definitely in his 80s 182 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:12,520 or 90s by now. But 2019, he would have been in his 80s when he was interviewed. Definitely possible 183 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:20,440 that he's still with us. So, Mikhail, when he came upon the hikers campsite, the group's tent was 184 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:27,640 barely visible due to the amount of snow covering it up at that point, the snowfall, what have you. 185 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:33,400 You could still see the tip of the tent, but there was definitely a lot of snow that they had to dig 186 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:40,200 it out. Once they were able to dig the tent out, the search team discovered that the tent was 187 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:45,560 half torn down and it looked like it had been cut open from the inside. 188 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:49,800 Beth Dombkowski Oh, boy. Well, didn't that same thing happen in Lake Bowdom? 189 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:54,200 Beth Dombkowski I think I remember you telling me that there were definitely a lot of tears 190 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,960 in that tent. But I don't remember if you said it was from the inside or out. 191 00:20:57,960 --> 00:20:58,520 Beth Dombkowski Yeah. 192 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,320 Beth Dombkowski I guess we need to go back and listen to that, don't we? 193 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:01,960 Beth Dombkowski We do. 194 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:08,920 Beth Dombkowski No one was inside that tent, Beth, but rescuers found several items that they would, 195 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:15,400 you know, you're settling down for the night. They found a flask of vodka, a map, an abandoned plate 196 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:21,080 with some white pork fat on it. And they also found a journal from one of the hikers who had said that 197 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:26,680 the winds had really picked up on the day of February 1st. So that would have been maybe the 198 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:32,920 day before anything could have happened. I'm not really sure, but we're going to guess, Beth, 199 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:39,960 that somewhere around February 2nd is when this occurred. Footprints leading away from the tent 200 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:45,000 that some of the campers were barefoot and only one had a boot or a sock on. 201 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,000 Beth Dombkowski That just doesn't make sense. 202 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:52,200 Beth Dombkowski It doesn't. So they were leaving in a hurry or something was happening for sure. 203 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:53,000 Beth Dombkowski Mm hmm. 204 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:58,120 Beth Dombkowski The rescue team expanded the perimeter of their search and came upon 205 00:21:58,120 --> 00:22:05,160 residuals of a campfire plus the bodies of both the URIs. Beth, I'm going to try not to chop up 206 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:13,400 these names. So I will say URI K and URI D. So they came across both the URIs. Both hikers were 207 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:18,520 barefoot. Those were the ones, Beth, that were barefoot and only in their underwear. 208 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,920 Beth Dombkowski That's cold. 209 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:27,800 Beth Dombkowski Oh, yeah. There was a nearby cedar tree where both URIs were found. And this tree 210 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:36,680 kind of plays a big part in the scene, Beth. The branches were broken up to five meters or 16.4 211 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:41,800 feet high. All the branches below were completely broken off. 212 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,240 Beth Dombkowski That's strange. 213 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,680 Beth Dombkowski Some of the hikers clothing that was not being worn, 214 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:51,320 they were hung from the tree limbs on that cedar tree. Beth Dombkowski This is getting stranger 215 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:56,920 and stranger. Beth Dombkowski It really is. Just wait till I get to these theories. I'm almost there. 216 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:57,880 Beth Dombkowski Okay. 217 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:03,320 Beth Dombkowski All right. So unfortunately, they could not search for several months due to the 218 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:08,760 snow, the weather and everything else involved, Beth. So they were able to find those two hikers, 219 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:13,880 but they had to kind of wait it out for a few months before they could look for their others. 220 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:21,320 But once they picked up again, they found a really gruesome discovery. All nine hikers had scattered 221 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:28,280 around that campfire and it had appeared that at least three of them were trying to get back to the 222 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:34,040 tent. These three did not appear to have any injuries on them. It's believed that they all 223 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:41,480 died from hypothermia. So some were really, really injured. Some were not. But let me talk about 224 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:47,400 a little thing called paradoxical undressing. I think this might have been what happened to 225 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:53,960 both URIs, URI-K and URI-D. I don't know if you've heard of this, Beth. There's a phenomenon that 226 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:58,520 occurs once a person reaches a certain stage of hypothermia. Beth Dombkowski 227 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,520 I never heard of anything like that. Beth Dombkowski 228 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:08,440 Well, what happens is that the blood vessels narrow to sort of help the bodies regulate a little 229 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:13,720 bit. You know, our body works really hard to keep our temperature, what is it, 98 degrees. So the 230 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:20,920 blood vessels narrow to redirect blood flow to try to maintain that proper body temperature. This is 231 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:28,040 a stage that when people enter it, it's called cold stupid, which is where they can become really, 232 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:35,240 really confused. And the person's body feels much, much warmer than it actually is, Beth. And this is 233 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:40,680 when they can strip down to their skivvies before they lose consciousness. So it's very likely this 234 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:49,720 is what happened to the URIs. URI-K and URI-D were both found simply in their underwear. This 235 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:55,320 obviously would have been really unheard of for the harsh winter conditions and unless they were 236 00:24:55,320 --> 00:25:01,800 suffering from that hypothermia. And that is where the people that investigated this incident 237 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:07,080 came to the conclusion that it could have been paradoxical undressing that occurred. But I don't 238 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:11,080 know if you've ever seen the hypothermia come through the hospital systems, Beth, you and I 239 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:15,240 have talked about how we've worked at hospitals. Have you ever seen hypothermia patients come 240 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:15,880 through? Beth Dombkowski 241 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:16,600 No. Beth Dombkowski 242 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:22,280 Yeah, I hadn't either. After the bodies were taken to the morgue, the medical examiner stated that 243 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:30,360 many of the injuries on all nine victims could be equal to the effect of a car crash. Here's a couple 244 00:25:30,360 --> 00:25:36,440 other things that they found. Some of the hikers skulls and chests had been smashed open. Blunt 245 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:43,320 force trauma and soft tissue damage was also evident. Four of the hikers had a fractured skull, 246 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:49,160 broken ribs and a gash on their head. One of the victims, Beth, also had their eyes missing in their 247 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:54,520 tongues like I had mentioned. So definitely a mystery as to what could have happened. 248 00:25:54,520 --> 00:26:01,240 Lots of conspiracies have emerged from this Dyatlov Pass incident, mainly I would say because 249 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:07,640 this all took place back in 1959. And you know, Beth, that we know so much more today than 250 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:13,000 obviously they did back in those days. So let me talk about the theories here. Now, 251 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:14,920 Beth Dombkowski I'm interested in hearing these. 252 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:19,400 Beth Dombkowski I want to start it off gently. How about that? I'll give you the easy one. 253 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:20,520 Beth Dombkowski Yes, please. 254 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:27,080 Beth Dombkowski Okay, the Yarrow Mountains are home to indigenous people identified as the Mansi. 255 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:33,080 And this group is known to participate in various rituals. Some say that the hikers could have 256 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:38,520 succumbed to their fate based on trespassing onto sacred land. So short and sweet, Beth, 257 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:45,480 the hikers cross paths with the Mansi on sacred land. And that's that. Personally, I can't imagine 258 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:53,160 nine seasoned mountaineers getting ambushed. But I mean, you said yourself, it's just too curious 259 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:58,440 for all of this to happen. And I really don't know enough about the Mansi's to know what their 260 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:03,400 temperament's like. I didn't really take a lot of time to look into that because it was just a very 261 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:08,600 short theory, not a lot of substance to it. But if any of our listeners want to clue us in, 262 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,440 definitely send us a message. Beth Dombkowski 263 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:16,600 Yes, definitely send a message. I'm curious to know what the inside is. I'm going to have to 264 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,040 look up Mansi. Beth Dombkowski 265 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:23,720 Yeah. Okay, here is the next... Can you hear that outside? 266 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,880 Beth Dombkowski I can. Like, is it a truck? 267 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,280 Beth Dombkowski No, it's my next door neighbor doing stuff. 268 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,600 Beth Dombkowski It's too cold to be out there doing stuff. 269 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,400 Beth Dombkowski I know, but he's always doing stuff like that. 270 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:38,680 You all, I have to move a little bit. My next door neighbor at all hours, even after dark, 271 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:45,240 likes to run his wood chipper, leaf blower, whatever's going on. 272 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,480 Beth Dombkowski Better not be a wood chipper. Have you ever 273 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:53,640 heard of the stewardess that disappeared and her husband ended up putting her in the wood chipper? 274 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,680 Beth Dombkowski No. Do I need to do a story on that one? Is that recent? 275 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,120 Beth Dombkowski It's a more recent one. 276 00:27:58,120 --> 00:27:59,640 Beth Dombkowski Are you kidding me? 277 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,320 Beth Dombkowski No. Well, it probably happened in the 80s, 278 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:08,840 is what I'm thinking. And they found splinters on the ground and that's how they were able to 279 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:15,560 solve the case. Oh my God. I feel like I heard that on a podcast recently. 280 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,240 Beth Dombkowski But can you imagine? 281 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,520 Beth Dombkowski No, I can't imagine. That's awful. 282 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:25,080 Beth Dombkowski Oh, wow. All right. Conspiracy number two. 283 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:30,920 Some of the bodies, like I had mentioned, showed evidence of radioactivity. 284 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:37,320 I'm going to answer your questions now. This was supposedly adding to the theory of Soviet 285 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,160 medical experiments. Beth Dombkowski 286 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:40,840 I agree with that already. Beth Dombkowski 287 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:41,960 Tell me why. Beth Dombkowski 288 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:48,040 Because the military is always doing experiments. That sounds like a very good theory. 289 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,840 Beth Dombkowski So two of them had radioactivity on them. 290 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,720 How would you explain the crushed chests? Beth Dombkowski 291 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,240 Yeah, I don't know. Beth Dombkowski 292 00:28:55,240 --> 00:29:01,720 Well, the original theory stemming from radioactivity was that there was a military cover-up 293 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:08,120 from using secret weapons tested on those nine hikers. I can see if some of them had 294 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:13,720 radioactivity on them and of course several of the other hikers got in the way and you have 295 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:19,480 some military coming in, they're definitely going to know their tactical skills, wouldn't you say? 296 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:20,680 Beth Dombkowski Mm-hmm, for sure. 297 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:24,040 Beth Dombkowski Mm-hmm. Some experts believe that several of 298 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:30,520 the hikers left their tent in haste because they were being tracked and they were trying to escape. 299 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:34,520 I can see that based on the evidence of how these people were found, right? 300 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:35,240 Beth Dombkowski Mm-hmm. 301 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:35,720 Beth Dombkowski Yeah. 302 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:40,200 Beth Dombkowski Okay, Semyon Zolotaryov, the 38-year-old 303 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:47,480 military vet who was much older than the rest of the hikers. Some speculate that he was, quote, 304 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:53,640 planted amongst the group to lead the secret military experiment that went awry. What do 305 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:54,600 you think of that? Beth Dombkowski 306 00:29:54,600 --> 00:30:02,040 Well, that doesn't sound far off because he is so much older than the rest of them. 307 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:02,600 Beth Dombkowski Mm-hmm. 308 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:07,960 Beth Dombkowski How else would they get nine people together or 10 people together 309 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:08,600 Beth Dombkowski Mm-hmm. 310 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,520 Beth Dombkowski without having somebody say, okay, let's go, 311 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,400 I'm going to lead you off and we'll go on a hike. 312 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:16,360 Beth Dombkowski Very true. 313 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,880 Beth Dombkowski Well, it's also speculated that Semyon was 314 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:26,840 working for the KGB and went on this mountain adventure to make contact with CIA agents. 315 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,640 So we have a little bit of James Bond stuff going on here. 316 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:30,200 Beth Dombkowski Yes. 317 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:34,200 Beth Dombkowski He was going to contact the CIA and our best 318 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:41,320 guess is that Semyon made the hike with the intent to take pictures and was caught red-handed, 319 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,600 which set off a mass attack on the hikers. Beth Dombkowski 320 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,080 So its intent to take pictures of what? Beth Dombkowski 321 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:48,760 The CIA agents. Beth Dombkowski 322 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,040 Oh, what do you think of that? Beth Dombkowski 323 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:57,000 Yeah, James Bond. Cue in the music, James Bond's music. 324 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,360 Beth Dombkowski I'll see what I can do when I edit this. 325 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:07,640 All right. Secondly, Yuri K is also linked to the Soviet military. He had previously 326 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:15,000 helped clear up, get this, a radioactive leak at a secret facility that was later compared 327 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:24,200 to the 1986 Chernobyl nuclear disaster that occurred north of the Ukraine. And also it was 328 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:33,000 compared to the 2011 Fukushima nuclear disaster that occurred in Japan. Now I remember the 2011 329 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,360 disaster, but I don't recall the 1986 one. Beth Dombkowski 330 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:44,680 The 86 one, no. Interesting story. Friends of ours took in somebody for six weeks, 331 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:52,920 like a young girl after that Ukraine disaster. Canada brought in a whole bunch of kids to 332 00:31:52,920 --> 00:32:01,160 experience life in Canada for six weeks to help with their healing process because they did have 333 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,360 radioactivity exposure. Beth Dombkowski 334 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:11,720 Wow. That's amazing. I mean, first of all, that is wonderful. That is what humanity is all about, 335 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:19,080 is giving people in these countries the opportunity because yeah, I mean, we just have to, 336 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:26,360 but that's so good. That is really nice to hear. All right. So I wanted to give you one last thought 337 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:33,800 on the radioactivity that you had mentioned, Beth. The camping lanterns that the hikers had 338 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:40,600 contained thorium. And if the hikers were laying near one of those lanterns, it would not be 339 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:46,200 unusual that they would have traces of radioactivity in their bodies, just from whatever 340 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:52,360 they had in those lanterns to either have the light on or keep them warm. There's an explanation 341 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:59,240 for everything as far as that's concerned, but definitely some theories that we would probably 342 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:06,200 want to consider if that makes sense. All right, Beth, I know I'm about to talk about one of your 343 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:15,080 favorites here, an extraterrestrial event. Yes. I watch a lot of that UFO stuff on TV. I know. 344 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:22,280 I'm telling you. It's all true. Well, when I saw this story, I knew it had your name on it. 345 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:29,640 Apparently that cedar tree that I had mentioned plays a very important role here. This is where 346 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:35,960 both URIs were discovered. One was face up and one was face down. The tree is said to have had 347 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:44,360 some questionable char marks that some say were caused by a heat ray set off by extraterrestrials. 348 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:50,360 So I know you're all excited about what I just said. You got this big grin on your face. 349 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:58,840 Yes. I do a lot of reading on the internet and I watch TV on a lot of UFOs and they're there. 350 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:05,560 They are there. They have astronauts and reputable people way up high in the government 351 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:12,760 who have said they have seen them. Really? I mean, we cannot be the only living beings 352 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:17,720 in the solar system. My theory is the reason people are not told the truth 353 00:34:17,720 --> 00:34:23,320 because it would cause a mass panic. I agree with that for sure, especially if you don't 354 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:28,680 know what temperaments they have. Apparently these ones don't have good temperament because 355 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:36,120 they shot off a heat ray at the both URIs and left some charred remains on the cedar tree. 356 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:44,360 That's not good. Now, a man named Lev Ivanov led the Dyatlov Pass incident investigations 357 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:51,560 and wrote an article that he said he was ordered to censor from his findings in the incident report, 358 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:57,400 including the viewing of floating balls and unexplained rays of light in the area. 359 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:01,240 What do you think of that? Curious. Yeah. Or intriguing. 360 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:08,440 I have not said that word, just so you know, I'm saving that one for you. I use other words, 361 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:13,080 but I'm just sitting here thinking War of the Worlds. Wasn't that, was that the, 362 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:18,600 what was his name in the radio? Orville? Not Redenbacher. What is it? 363 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:26,200 Yeah, I know exactly who you mean. Wells? Orson Wells. Orson Wells. There you go. You 364 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:30,280 had the first name, I had the second. Well, I said Orville, like Redenbacher, 365 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:34,280 and I know it wasn't him. He was too busy making popcorn. 366 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:43,400 All right, Beth, the next theory here, you're going to love this just as much. And I've saved 367 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:51,400 this one to almost the last here. Okay. You've mentioned yetis. Olaf. Yes. He's a snowman, 368 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:56,680 Beth. He's not a yeti. Well, you said we were going to hear about the snowmen at the end. 369 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:06,520 Oh gosh. All right. So we're going to talk about yetis. One speculation is that a yeti attacked 370 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:13,560 Lyudmila Dubonina. She's the one whose eyes and tongue were missing. However, some experts 371 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:19,640 speculate that this could have occurred from scavenging animals. That to me makes sense. 372 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:24,920 Yep. Sounds very plausible. I'm thinking though, I mean, how many animals are going to be way 373 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:32,600 out there in those sub zero degree temperatures? Makes no sense. No, good point. I mean, a little 374 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:38,680 bit of sense. I don't know, but some speculate one of the photos found on the hiker's camera 375 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:47,800 captured a large dark figure lurking by a tree that resembled a yeti. Get out. Yeah. And notes 376 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:55,480 from the hiker's journals also said, quote, the yeti lives in the Northern Urals, unquote. Those 377 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,880 were the mountains that they went to, Beth. Okay. I just wanted to kind of mention to you, there's 378 00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:06,040 not any connection between an actual sighting of a yeti by the hikers. Some believe that they just 379 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:11,240 kind of wrote that in there as a joke. You know, who's to say? I'm sure they're having a great time. 380 00:37:11,240 --> 00:37:15,800 They're relaxing in the evening. They're just writing stuff down and just made mention of it. 381 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:22,920 So there's the yeti theory. All right. Let me talk about the most recent theory, Beth, and believe 382 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:28,840 it or not, it has everything to do with the weather conditions and national geographic. 383 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:36,440 According to a 2021 article, scientists actually believe that the hikers that fell victim to the 384 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:43,720 Dyatlov Pass incident were victims to a delayed avalanche. And they feel that this is the 385 00:37:43,720 --> 00:37:49,400 likeliest cause of their deaths because they've been doing research over the years. They've gone 386 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:55,080 through all these theories, what makes more sense. And they've looked at weather reports and 387 00:37:55,080 --> 00:38:01,720 everything else that goes with it. Again, Beth, back in 1959, scientists didn't have everything 388 00:38:01,720 --> 00:38:10,200 that we have today as far as looking at weather patterns. So this is what scientists today in 389 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:17,240 today's age really feel could have been the primary cause because weather reports for February 1st, 390 00:38:17,240 --> 00:38:24,440 1959. Remember, this is the night that some of the journaling was entered into the hikers notebook. 391 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:31,240 It indicated that the hikers set up their camp in a mild snowy area of Dead Mountain, 392 00:38:31,240 --> 00:38:38,520 where the chances of an avalanche were relatively slim. Plus the blunt force trauma in soft tissue 393 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:45,560 damage that I mentioned was atypical of avalanche victims. Most people who are caught in an avalanche 394 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:52,680 bath usually suffocate to death from being covered up with that snow. So the conditions for an 395 00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:59,240 avalanche weren't really a primary factor for that night. But I'm actually going to give you a little 396 00:38:59,240 --> 00:39:05,080 bit more information to say that it's still plausible. Well, there were two Swiss scientists, 397 00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:12,840 one named Alexander Puzrin. He studied the Dyatlov Pass incident very intently. He also published 398 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:20,200 a paper that suggests that an earthquake could have been the root cause of an otherwise abnormal 399 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:26,920 condition of an avalanche in that area. Puzrin believed that there could have been a time delay 400 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:33,000 between the two events. So time delay between the earthquake, which would have shaken the earth a 401 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:39,000 little bit and then caused an avalanche. There could have been a delay there. And he ended up 402 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:46,520 teaming up with another Swiss scientist named Johann Gomm from the Snow Avalanche Simulation 403 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:52,760 Laboratory located with the Swiss Federal Technical Institute. Between both scientists, 404 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:59,400 they created a simulation model of the site where the nine hikers perished. And what they discovered 405 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:06,760 Beth was that the slope where the hikers had set up their camp was around 30 degrees. So it was a 406 00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:14,040 slope 30 degrees. And this actually met avalanche conditions. A lot of the time from what I read, 407 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:21,080 Beth, not a lot of avalanches can actually occur unless they have that 30 degree angle. 408 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:29,160 And so data from the original investigation showed that underlying snow had not clumped 409 00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:35,640 together as it normally would, which could have created a weak foundation and any falling snow 410 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:43,560 could have built traction. So you have a lot of light snow beneath, but as the snow falls, 411 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:50,440 it gets heavier on top. So that means when the hiking team set up their camp, the poles that 412 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:57,320 they pounded into the ground destabilized that snow and contributed to a very small avalanche. 413 00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:03,800 Well, I don't believe any of that. Why not? Because an avalanche is not going to affect the 414 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:13,960 bludgeoned chest. And what the coroner said was these were like impact in a car accident. You know, 415 00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:21,640 you have an eye out and you have a tongue out. That doesn't, isn't caused by an avalanche. Yeah. 416 00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:28,520 Yeah, that's true. But I'm actually going to tell you about something called a slab avalanche, 417 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:34,600 and it'll probably make sense to you. And I've saved this to last because what you just said, 418 00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:41,480 I completely understand why you're talking in that direction, but it may make more sense when I talk 419 00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:49,880 about slab avalanches. Okay. Most articles that I found since 2021, so just two years ago, talked 420 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:56,600 about this being the main cause of the Dyatlov Pass incident. When the hikers pitched their tent, 421 00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:02,680 they destabilized the snow, like I had mentioned, but this is where that slab avalanche comes in. 422 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:08,520 I want you to think of a really large, icy brick. Do you remember when we were kids and I used to 423 00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:14,920 go out and build igloos with that little block? Yes. You remember that? So I would pack the snow 424 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:20,760 down nice and hard, and then all I had to do was slide it out of there, and then I'd have a brick. 425 00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:26,520 Right? Yes. I want you to think of that brick being millions of times bigger, like really, 426 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:33,320 really big. Okay? So if you had a slab of very dense snow, like the one I packed when I made 427 00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:41,400 my little igloos when I was a kid, think of that on a 30 degree angle, sliding down a mountain, 428 00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:49,720 like a high velocity sled barreling down towards a tent. True. I can see how that could have 429 00:42:49,720 --> 00:42:55,560 impacted those people with their injuries. Okay. So do you think now with how I described that, 430 00:42:55,560 --> 00:43:00,200 you can see how chests could have been caved in, somebody could have bitten off their tongue. 431 00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:06,360 Well, what about the burning? Well, now it did say that both of the URIs, I believe that they 432 00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:11,960 they bundled. Oh, just a minute. Somebody's at my door. Yep. Laudy, laudy. You all, Beth just 433 00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:18,280 walked away. Oh my gosh. I haven't done this in so long. Let me think of a story. I was not prepared 434 00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:24,600 for this. Okay. Since we're talking about snow, I will say that we went down. Oh, we love to go 435 00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:31,160 tobogganing. And we had this really cool hill that we would go down. It was probably 30 degrees, 436 00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:37,720 maybe a little bit more. But Beth used to get on that sled with me and we would just hoop and holler, 437 00:43:37,720 --> 00:43:45,480 but you had to make sure that you got the curve just right or we would slam ourselves into a tree. 438 00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:49,960 But Beth was really good at steering. So I think I always sat in the front. She was older than me, 439 00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:54,760 so a little bit bigger. And I think that's about it. But we always had a good time playing out in 440 00:43:54,760 --> 00:44:02,040 the snow. We would play outside until our toes got cold. We'd go in, warm them up, and then back out 441 00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:09,400 we went again. Hey Beth. Hey, that was somebody at my door coming for my card class exactly two weeks 442 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:15,400 early. Oh, did you tell her to come back or did you just say, Oh, I'll be right with you? No, 443 00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:20,280 I told her to come back. She just lives across the hall. All right. Well, I told a story while 444 00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:28,120 you were gone. Just like my drop calls. Yeah. It's been a while. No, it was a really sweet one. 445 00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:34,760 I was talking about us tobogganing. Oh, that was always so fun. It was. I don't think we ever 446 00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:41,640 slammed into trees, did we? No, no, we did good. We just veered to the right to miss that one tree. 447 00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:51,000 Yes, yes we did. That was so much fun. All right. There was that large slab of very dense snow coming 448 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:59,080 down the mountain and it was probably at least the size of an SUV. Now, if you're going to be hit in a 449 00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:06,680 flimsy tent barreling down at you at 30 degrees at a high rate of speed, then definitely that could 450 00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:13,000 have been one of the causes of all those injuries. Now you were asking about why some of them had 451 00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:19,080 burn marks on them. The two URIs left the tent. They had been the ones that bundled up and went 452 00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:26,440 outside. Okay. So they had bundled up. They went outside. They were near a campfire that was by the 453 00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:33,960 cedar tree. Remember that? Yes. So remember they were found in their skivvies. They were bundled up 454 00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:38,680 all nice and warm, but if they were getting hypothermia, they were getting overheated 455 00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:45,000 and then they succumb to that stupid cold and they felt that they were really, really hot 456 00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:51,640 and they probably stripped down to their skivvies at that point. Yeah. So they were not in the tent 457 00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:58,040 when that occurred, but it seems likely that if other people were in the tent and they did 458 00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:05,560 survive that, they probably tried to pull other people out to get them out and away from that 459 00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:13,320 situation to try to help them. Does that make sense? Yes. Yeah. So Puzrin and Gom continued 460 00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:20,440 their research with a very interesting simulation and this is a wild one, Beth. This is why I asked 461 00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:26,920 you at the very beginning of this story, have you ever seen the movie Frozen? Because Puzrin and Gom 462 00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:33,800 were so fascinated with the blizzard scene from the movie Frozen that they got in touch with Disney 463 00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:40,520 executives to ask the animators how in the world they created that scene. And guess what? What? 464 00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:47,640 After meeting with the special effects department, Gom modified the snow animation code from the 465 00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:55,720 movie on his avalanche simulation model in his lab to see how it would affect a person's body 466 00:46:55,720 --> 00:47:03,720 if they were indeed caught in an avalanche. That's very interesting. Smart. Uh huh. Puzrin and Gom 467 00:47:03,720 --> 00:47:09,560 also visited the General Motors company because we talked about broken ribs and car accidents, 468 00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:16,200 right? Yes. They went to GM. They saw how they simulated what car crashes do to us when we're 469 00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:22,600 in an accident. And this goes back to the original examination of the hiker's bodies where the medical 470 00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:31,160 examiner compared those injuries to a car crash. Now back in the 1970s, Beth, GM scientists took 471 00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:37,880 cadavers and hit them at variable forces to see what would happen when we don't wear our seatbelts 472 00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:44,760 and they've broken ribs. So the two Swiss scientists took that information back to their lab. 473 00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:52,280 They reformulated their data for their simulation of the avalanche and discovered that an avalanche 474 00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:58,600 occurred when the Russian hiking team were ready to go to sleep or were already sleeping, 475 00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:05,240 which could have easily explained broken ribs and skulls and how some of the members were found. 476 00:48:05,240 --> 00:48:11,320 How about that? Okay. Other experts not involved with the Swiss study agreed that the avalanche 477 00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:16,520 could have been the root cause of the Russian hiker's demise and could have stemmed from a 478 00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:23,560 combination of the high winds as suggested in the journal that they found. Remember I said on February 479 00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:30,760 1st that the winds were picking up? That could have added to the destabilization of the snow slab. 480 00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:35,880 But what about the burns? Yeah. That would be where the two URIs went out to relieve themselves. 481 00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:41,480 They bundled up and they went out to the fire. Gotcha. Now ultimately scientists believe that 482 00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:48,280 the Russian hikers cut themselves out of their tent after it was covered in snow to flee the camp 483 00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:54,680 in a panic when they encountered that unexpected avalanche. Snow slabs or blocky chunks of ice, 484 00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:59,400 whatever surprised them while they were either sleeping or getting ready to go to sleep. That 485 00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:05,080 to me makes complete sense. Yes it does. And they also think that able-bodied team members 486 00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:11,320 dragged the severely injured away like I had mentioned, but ultimately most of them died from 487 00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:21,880 their injuries or hypothermia. That's very sad. It is. It is very unexpected. And that is the story 488 00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:29,320 of the Dyatlov Pass incident. So we would love to receive feedback from any of our listeners. If you 489 00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:34,280 have heard this story before, you need to correct us on anything. If you have anything you want to 490 00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:40,840 say about any of our other episodes. Well Beth, that is the story of the Dyatlov Pass incident. 491 00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:46,600 We would love to receive feedback from our listeners on this storyline. I know it's been 492 00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:52,360 told a time or two, but Beth and I would really love to know how we did here because we love our 493 00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:58,440 listeners to be engaged. Be sure to DM us on Instagram. Send us an email at DyingToBeFound 494 00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:05,800 at gmail.com. And there you have it Beth, the Dyatlov Pass incident. Very interesting. Thank 495 00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:12,200 you for sharing that. Yeah, you're welcome. So Deb, what's our teachable moment for today? Beth, 496 00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:17,400 I really had to think about this for a moment because as I was reading through this, this group 497 00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:24,440 did everything right. They packed accordingly. They went safety in numbers. There was not a lot 498 00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:30,520 that they could have done to prevent what happened that day. However, I do want people to consider 499 00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:37,720 donating your body to science. Oh, okay. Why? Well, Beth is great to donate blood and platelets 500 00:50:37,720 --> 00:50:43,080 while we're here on this earth. But how about you're willing to put it down in your will that you 501 00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:49,640 want to donate your body? I myself have it on my driver's license that I'm an organ donor. But Beth, 502 00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:57,080 there was one time when Cathy, our sister, took me to this huge room of cadavers where she was 503 00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:04,200 at medical school. I mean, it was scary yet fascinating for me being 20 something years old 504 00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:10,920 at that time. But think about how the GM scientists would take those cadavers and put them in cars 505 00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:17,800 and crash into something at various speeds just to calibrate that seatbelt that you put on every day 506 00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:22,360 when you're driving on the roads. And that's not all. Have you heard of a body farm before? 507 00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:28,280 Yes. Okay. It was on CSI. Oh, okay. So cool. What do you think of those? 508 00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:33,160 That's the last place I would want to be. Okay. Well, let me tell our listeners. I mean, 509 00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:39,000 I think it's fascinating because this is what happens on a body farm. Scientists place cadavers 510 00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:45,960 out in the elements. It sounds really disgusting, but throughout the United States, scientists place 511 00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:51,800 your corpse out in the elements to measure what bugs are attracted to you. And Beth is nodding 512 00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:57,400 her head yes. So apparently I've done my research pretty well. Is that true? Is that right? Am I 513 00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,880 right? Am I on the right page? Yes, that's right. You're right on. 514 00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:06,840 Okay. So what happens is scientists measure how long it takes for your body to break down, 515 00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:12,600 what bugs are attracted to you. And honestly, this is just one way that investigators can 516 00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:18,360 determine how long somebody is deceased before they're actually discovered, especially if you 517 00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:24,360 are outside in the elements. Plus, believe it or not, they can tell where somebody died in the 518 00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:30,200 event that somebody's body is moved based on bug infestation. Isn't that fascinating? 519 00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:36,440 Yes. So that's it. That's my teachable moment. Donate your body to science. And it doesn't have 520 00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:43,480 to be to a body farm. It can be to the local medical facility, the medical schools, it goes 521 00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:49,640 all the way back to H. H. Holmes and how we talked about how he would collect bodies for the purpose 522 00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:54,760 of medical schools. And you've got to learn somehow. Why do you think that we're living as 523 00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:59,720 long as we are these days? I don't know. Because there's people out there that donate their bodies 524 00:52:59,720 --> 00:53:04,680 so that things can be discovered. True. And yeah, so that's my teachable moment. 525 00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:10,760 And that's a wrap. That is a wrap. If our listeners have a story you want to hear, 526 00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:17,320 shoot us an email, be sure to follow us on all our social medias and follow, rate and share our 527 00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:23,160 episodes. Talk to you next week. Thanks for listening to Dying to be Found, True Crime Podcast 528 00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:29,080 and our Dash mini series. 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