1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,040 Hi everyone, this is Deb from Dying to be Found. 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:07,840 Before we get started, I just wanted to say that episodes contain disturbing discussions 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:12,400 on harmful acts and crimes against animals and or humankind. 4 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:17,640 Recordings are not intended for young or sensitive audiences due to the content nature of this 5 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:18,640 podcast. 6 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:23,920 Listener discretion is strongly advised. 7 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:29,520 Hi everyone, I'm Deb, your host for Dying to be Found, a true crime podcast. 8 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:34,960 If you are new around here, thanks so much for joining in because you really picked a 9 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:36,340 good episode. 10 00:00:36,340 --> 00:00:40,700 My son Cory is here to listen to one of my tales today. 11 00:00:40,700 --> 00:00:45,420 If our listeners have been around a while, you know I love to pull in a different family 12 00:00:45,420 --> 00:00:51,840 member each week and by now you've heard Beth, Shelby, and today you know that having 13 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:56,640 Cory here means that you're going to get a rough and tough episode of true crime. 14 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:00,000 Cory, what did you think of our last episode of DB Cooper? 15 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:01,000 Oh, it was fun. 16 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:02,000 It was really interesting. 17 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:03,000 I like that kind of stuff. 18 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:04,000 Little mystery there. 19 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:05,000 Okay. 20 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:09,400 We want to know what our listeners think of season two so far, so be sure to DM us at 21 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:14,240 Dying to be Found or message us when you see our post on social media. 22 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:20,880 This is episode number 56 of Dying to be Found and Cory, I really have a good one today. 23 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:22,880 I'm really excited about this storyline. 24 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:24,280 Yeah, it'll be a good one. 25 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:28,120 I don't know the names, but I know of the story, so basically going in this blind. 26 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:29,120 Good. 27 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:30,120 I like it that way. 28 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:33,640 I like to keep surprises and then it just leaves everything open for interpretation, 29 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:35,680 of course, because that's all in our name. 30 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:40,000 So today we're going to be talking about Frank Morris and the England brothers. 31 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:44,800 I know before we started recording, I asked if you even knew who these people were and 32 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:50,260 of course I told you Cory that we're going to be talking about Escape from Alcatraz. 33 00:01:50,260 --> 00:01:55,440 So we'll get to them in just a moment, but first you have experience in law enforcement 34 00:01:55,440 --> 00:02:01,200 and around here, everyone starts working at a county jail before you can go on and do 35 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:02,480 what you really want to do. 36 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:08,080 Do you want to give us one of your best stories from working with inmates? 37 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:11,120 The best story, I don't, yeah, it makes me sick talking about it. 38 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,240 I don't know if I want to say it. 39 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,680 They just get really, really desperate in there. 40 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:19,320 Yeah, there's how bad do you want me to go on this? 41 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,960 I won't like cuss or anything, but it's just really gross. 42 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:23,960 Oh yeah. 43 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:24,960 Okay. 44 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:25,960 Do it. 45 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:26,960 I'm ready. 46 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:30,280 Hey, listen, I'm usually the one that is giving the gross part of the story, so I'll take it 47 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:31,280 from you today. 48 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:32,280 Okay. 49 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:36,480 So there was this guy that I think he was in the jail for aggravated assault and I think 50 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:40,400 he just got sentenced and after they get sentenced, then they kind of lose their marbles. 51 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:42,160 This guy comes over the intercom. 52 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:45,120 I can't remember what he was complaining about, but he wanted something and he wasn't getting 53 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:46,120 his way. 54 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:51,520 So he says, all right, I'll show you, so we run out there and we don't know what to expect. 55 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,760 And we get there and there he is naked in the shower. 56 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:58,640 He had defecated on the floor and he picked it up and put it in his mouth and started 57 00:02:58,640 --> 00:02:59,640 chewing. 58 00:02:59,640 --> 00:03:00,640 Oh. 59 00:03:00,640 --> 00:03:03,880 We weren't really sure what to do at that point. 60 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:04,880 What did you do? 61 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:05,880 Oh my gosh. 62 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:08,760 I actually tried to tase him, but my taser malfunctioned. 63 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,400 So I ended up not being able to tase him. 64 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:12,840 Now he was in the shower. 65 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:13,840 Would you have gotten electrocuted? 66 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:15,480 No, the shower wasn't on. 67 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:16,480 He was just in there. 68 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:17,480 He was just having a little tantrum. 69 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:18,480 Okay. 70 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:19,480 Yeah. 71 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:20,480 I've got a thousand stories, but that was- 72 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:21,480 Okay. 73 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:22,480 Now you said he was on the intercom. 74 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:23,480 Yeah. 75 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,000 They've got a little intercom that they can talk to the main tower through. 76 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:27,000 Oh, okay. 77 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:31,680 So if they need things like soap and whatnot, we can grab that and bring it down to him. 78 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:34,720 But he just has a lot of anger issues and doesn't know how to control them. 79 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:39,080 And he just went to the extreme and I've got a thousand stories, but that is the one that 80 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:40,600 really stuck with me. 81 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:44,720 That's the one that came to mind automatically because we're not on script here. 82 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:45,720 Wow. 83 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:46,720 Okay. 84 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:47,720 Well, thanks for that. 85 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:48,720 Yeah. 86 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:49,720 I was nauseous for the rest of the day. 87 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:50,720 I'll bet you were. 88 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:55,080 Today we are talking about the infamous escape from Elcatraz case. 89 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:58,240 I know you've probably seen a movie of this once or twice, right, Corey? 90 00:03:58,240 --> 00:03:59,240 Yeah. 91 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:03,040 There's, I mean, I'm not really a big movie guy, but there is that one movie where it 92 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:04,520 turns out he was in it the whole time. 93 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:05,600 I can't remember what it's called. 94 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:07,320 I think the guy from Titanic's in it. 95 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:08,320 I don't know. 96 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,120 Not a movie guy. 97 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,400 I know Clint Eastwood had directed one. 98 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:16,040 I think it was the original version called escape from Elcatraz. 99 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:17,760 That is way before your time. 100 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:22,840 But I also think there, there was a movie called the rock and it had Sean Connery in 101 00:04:22,840 --> 00:04:26,920 it and maybe the guy was that wrestlers name that goes by the rock. 102 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:28,200 I think he was in it too. 103 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:29,720 Oh, Dwayne the rock Johnson. 104 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:30,720 Yeah. 105 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:31,720 I think he was in that one too. 106 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:37,840 Anyway, lots of history behind Elcatraz and it is also known as the rock, which is a 107 00:04:37,840 --> 00:04:43,360 small Island located directly off of the San Francisco Bay in California. 108 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:49,360 It was made into a maximum security prison that dates all the way back to the civil war. 109 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:50,360 Did you even know that? 110 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:51,360 No, I didn't know it was at all. 111 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:52,360 Neither did I. 112 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:57,760 I think that it was a fort at one time and then they turned it into apparently the most 113 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:01,760 secure prison in the United States by 1934. 114 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:03,720 They had, I don't know what you call that. 115 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:05,040 Is it decommissioned? 116 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,960 Like they decommissioned the fort. 117 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:08,960 Yeah, I think that's right. 118 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:15,200 And then they recommissioned it into a maximum security prison, which was the most secure 119 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:18,240 prison for its time back in 1934. 120 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:24,760 And during its active periods, Corey, several famous inmates were housed at Elcatraz. 121 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:28,640 Don't know if you've heard of anybody that I'm about to mention Al Capone, also known 122 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,640 as Scarface. 123 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:33,480 He was in there for tax evasion. 124 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:35,320 How about George Machine Gun Kelly? 125 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:37,760 I think that's a rapper. 126 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:38,760 Okay. 127 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,080 Well, he stole it. 128 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:45,720 He stole it from the guy that was sent there for kidnapping a wealthy oil executive way 129 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:46,720 back in the day. 130 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:47,720 Probably not the same. 131 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:48,720 Yeah, probably not. 132 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:50,000 I would say probably not. 133 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:55,440 And then Robert Stroud, who is also known as the Birdman of Alcatraz, he was actually 134 00:05:55,440 --> 00:06:02,360 sent there at some point where he was known for studying birds in other prisons and he 135 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:06,200 was allowed to have birds wherever he was kept. 136 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:10,160 But once they sent him to Alcatraz, they wouldn't let him have the birds, but he was known as 137 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:11,880 the Birdman of Alcatraz. 138 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:17,000 I don't really know much about him, but I definitely have heard of Al Capone and I may 139 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:20,520 have heard of Machine Gun Kelly and it was not the rapper. 140 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:27,000 But Alcatraz was established to be an elite maximum prison, not for the rich, but for 141 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:32,760 the tough prisoners, Corey, who refused to follow the rules established in other prisons 142 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:34,400 throughout the United States. 143 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:39,160 So any of the, I don't know what you call them, cronies, any of the people that just 144 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:44,240 absolutely would not follow the rules were sent to Alcatraz. 145 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:50,260 Prisoners would earn privileges for good behavior in Alcatraz and if they complied, they would 146 00:06:50,260 --> 00:06:57,760 have access to jobs, family visits, access to books, and engage in recreational activities. 147 00:06:57,760 --> 00:06:59,400 Doesn't that sound like today's prison system? 148 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:00,680 Yeah, it sounds a lot like it. 149 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:05,520 If these were luxuries that they got back in the 1930s, honestly, Corey, I really think 150 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:10,120 back in those days, they just sent people off to prison to rot and honestly, that's 151 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:11,200 all I can think of. 152 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:14,720 So earning privileges back then were really, really big. 153 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:18,000 It's standard today, but you know how things obviously change over time. 154 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:23,400 Yeah, and they get pretty unhappy whenever they do lose those privileges, but I mean, 155 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:24,400 they're for a reason. 156 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,280 They couldn't follow the rules outside of prison, so they got sent to prison. 157 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:28,280 Yeah, that's true. 158 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:30,680 Can't follow the rules there, kind of like it falls through. 159 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:32,520 Yeah, domino effect, sure. 160 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:36,840 Well, personally, I wanted to see if Alcatraz was a manmade island because I've seen the 161 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:41,280 picture and to me, it simply does not look like a natural island. 162 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:45,720 It's a random island that sits off the coast in the San Francisco Bay area. 163 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,520 I don't know if you've actually, I know you've seen pictures. 164 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:50,280 Yeah, I'm pulling up a picture right now. 165 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:53,440 Well, the majority of it is made up of rock. 166 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:56,000 Obviously, this is why they call it the rock. 167 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:01,780 And the best way that I can describe it is that Alcatraz sits on some geological plates 168 00:08:01,780 --> 00:08:07,120 that I'm going to let you and our listeners go look up because it's very technical. 169 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:12,200 And you know, a couple of things, Corey, when you do this podcast with me, you learn a little 170 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:13,920 bit about your mother. 171 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:18,560 I don't even know if you knew that I failed my geology class in college. 172 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:19,560 Did you know that? 173 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:20,560 I did not know that. 174 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,480 I am not a scientist in any way, shape or form. 175 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:25,840 Corey, I didn't fail that class once. 176 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:27,720 I failed it not even twice. 177 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:28,720 I failed it. 178 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:33,960 My third attempt in summer school, I could not pass geology to save my life. 179 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,160 Not really a big fan of school either. 180 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:39,600 So you got your doctorate. 181 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:40,720 Well it took me a long time. 182 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,200 Go look up how that island was formed. 183 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:48,400 It's sitting on a bunch of geological platelets, whatever you call those these days. 184 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:54,320 And Alcatraz was built in the middle of the San Francisco Bay because military and corrections 185 00:08:54,320 --> 00:09:00,320 officials believed that between the icy cold waters and strong currents, these would deter 186 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,760 prisoners from ever trying to escape. 187 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:10,680 But they were wrong because during the 29 years that Alcatraz remained in operation, 188 00:09:10,680 --> 00:09:15,640 36 men attempted to escape over 14 separate occasions. 189 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:21,680 Most of them were caught or did not survive the bay's rough conditions, but three inmates 190 00:09:21,680 --> 00:09:26,080 did make their escape and to this day, Corey, they've never been found. 191 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:30,080 It's actually a smaller number that I would think people would try to escape. 192 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,760 The successful one too, but I mean it's really rough conditions. 193 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:35,000 I mean I'm not going to go swimming in that water. 194 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:36,200 I'm not going to go out there either. 195 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:40,560 You know me and sharks and I heard great white sharks really love to feed off the seals in 196 00:09:40,560 --> 00:09:41,560 that area. 197 00:09:41,560 --> 00:09:43,280 It's cold water, but they're still there. 198 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:47,360 Yeah, I've heard it's very shark infested over there, but yeah, they definitely like 199 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,120 the colder water because that's where all the seals are at. 200 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:51,120 Absolutely. 201 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:55,240 We're going to talk about the infamous prison break that was not meant to be. 202 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:59,560 There were three men involved with some very intricate planning. 203 00:09:59,560 --> 00:10:04,320 Originally Corey, there were four men that should have made this escape, but one of them 204 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:09,360 never made it out of his cell on time on the night that the other three did escape. 205 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:14,800 Not sure what deterred him at the time, but apparently the men had timed everything perfectly 206 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:17,880 and one of them just couldn't get away to make that escape. 207 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,840 Probably forgot to send his alarm. 208 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:21,840 Probably so. 209 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:25,520 Well, the first of the three men to escape Alcatraz was Frank Morris. 210 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:32,320 He was assigned to this maximum security prison in 1960 after being convicted for bank robbery, 211 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:37,560 burglary and multiple attempts of escaping other prison systems. 212 00:10:37,560 --> 00:10:41,040 He was currently serving a 10 year sentence. 213 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:46,600 Frank was considered a man of high intelligence and you'll see why in just a bit, but he was 214 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:50,800 actually measured to have an IQ of 133. 215 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:55,800 Just to give you perspective of this Corey, I don't know if you know much about the IQ 216 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:56,800 measurements. 217 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:57,800 Yeah, I do. 218 00:10:57,800 --> 00:10:58,800 Do you now? 219 00:10:58,800 --> 00:10:59,800 Yeah, I've looked into it. 220 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:00,800 Oh cool. 221 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:01,800 Okay. 222 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:02,800 Not much, but I've looked into it. 223 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:03,800 I've done a little bit of research. 224 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:04,800 Okay. 225 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,880 Frank Morris, he was supposedly around 160. 226 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:12,720 I don't think that he was formerly measured, but people believe that he was right around 227 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:13,720 there. 228 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:17,560 So honestly, Frank is not too far off from that as far as his intelligence. 229 00:11:17,560 --> 00:11:19,040 He was just a really smart guy. 230 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:20,560 I don't think I'd want to be that smart. 231 00:11:20,560 --> 00:11:21,560 That's just too smart. 232 00:11:21,560 --> 00:11:25,760 Honestly, Corey, when people are that smart, first of all, their personalities are really 233 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:26,760 different. 234 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:27,760 Yeah. 235 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:28,760 What do you do with all that smartness? 236 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:34,200 A lot of serial killers are of high intelligence just from my experience and research. 237 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:38,200 I wanted to give you just a little bit of a background because Frank really didn't have 238 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:40,100 it easy growing up. 239 00:11:40,100 --> 00:11:45,260 He was abandoned by his family and placed into an orphanage at the age of 11. 240 00:11:45,260 --> 00:11:50,640 He had moved between foster homes quite a bit as an adolescent and began his criminal 241 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:54,580 activities when he was probably around the age of 14. 242 00:11:54,580 --> 00:11:59,680 So he just didn't have a lot of role models in those formative years. 243 00:11:59,680 --> 00:12:04,720 And interestingly enough, I discovered that the guys that I'm talking about today, Corey, 244 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:06,760 they all have Southern roots. 245 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:12,100 Frank was an active bank robber out of Louisiana where he was first in prison, but sent to Alcatraz 246 00:12:12,100 --> 00:12:14,280 after those numerous escapes. 247 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:20,240 The England brothers that I'm going to talk about next, they come from Alabama, Florida, 248 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:21,240 and Georgia. 249 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:22,240 Oh, oh. 250 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:26,560 Shortly after Frank was sent to Alcatraz, John and Clarence England arrived there as 251 00:12:26,560 --> 00:12:31,520 well to serve a 35 year sentence each for bank robbery. 252 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:33,240 So it seemed to be the thing of the time, right? 253 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:34,240 Yeah. 254 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:36,640 So what all the cool kids are doing. 255 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:40,080 John and Clarence were two of 14 children. 256 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:45,240 And like I mentioned, they were active criminals in Alabama, Florida, and Georgia. 257 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:50,680 They came from a very poor family of crop pickers and also began their criminal careers 258 00:12:50,680 --> 00:12:52,000 as teenagers. 259 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:57,560 And just like Frank Morris, the England brothers also attempted to escape prison several times 260 00:12:57,560 --> 00:13:01,120 and they were sent to Alcatraz to finish out their sentence. 261 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:05,840 I'm going to mention this fourth man that I had said was supposed to make this escape 262 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:07,840 at the same time as the other three. 263 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:13,800 Allen West was serving time at Alcatraz for car theft after serving time in the Atlanta 264 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:17,180 penitentiary and Florida state prison systems. 265 00:13:17,180 --> 00:13:21,980 He is that fourth guy who never made it out of his cell on time because you said he didn't 266 00:13:21,980 --> 00:13:23,440 set his alarm. 267 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:28,440 Like Morris and the England brothers, he also made multiple attempts to escape and off he 268 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:29,800 went to Alcatraz. 269 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:35,120 So that was just for the unreformed criminals and people that made multiple escapes constantly 270 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,480 being sent obviously to maximum security. 271 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:38,480 Yeah. 272 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,720 I mean, it seems like they didn't have the best childhoods and especially, you know, 273 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:46,160 getting passed around with different homes, that's going to take a toll on a child, especially 274 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:47,160 at that early age. 275 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:51,640 And yeah, typically 14 years old is a prime time for them to start doing petty crimes 276 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:52,840 and it escalates from there. 277 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:56,480 Because it's how, especially with gangs, they'll start at that age, they'll start breaking 278 00:13:56,480 --> 00:14:01,000 into cars and whatnot and start to steal things from gas stations, just smaller stuff and 279 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:04,000 it escalates from there and they have to build their reputation up. 280 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:07,680 Usually starts early before they're 18 and a lot of the time they know that they can't 281 00:14:07,680 --> 00:14:10,080 get in trouble because they're, I mean, they're kids. 282 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,920 They can't get in trouble until 17 years old. 283 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:14,960 So they're already manipulating the system. 284 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:15,960 Oh yeah. 285 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:17,800 At the very beginning of their lives, yeah. 286 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:22,560 And they don't have any kind of family figures, any strong role models. 287 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:28,560 So that's why they turn to crime because they've got people around them that are basically 288 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:29,560 acting as family. 289 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:30,560 Yeah. 290 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:35,760 I think I did an episode one time on gang related activities and that was a thing. 291 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:40,480 And we're talking about those 14 year old boys who did consider gang members, their 292 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:41,480 family members. 293 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:42,480 Oh, that's a shame. 294 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:43,480 Oh yeah. 295 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:49,480 Well, Frank Morris, John and Clarence England and Alan West were already familiar with each 296 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:54,840 other before they got to Alcatraz because they had spent time together in some of those 297 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:58,000 prison systems that I had already mentioned. 298 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:01,900 And as luck would have it, they had adjoining cells. 299 00:15:01,900 --> 00:15:05,520 So what do you think that they were up to almost immediately? 300 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:08,960 Oh, you've got nothing but time to plan. 301 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:10,300 Absolutely. 302 00:15:10,300 --> 00:15:17,000 And I'll tell you this, they worked meticulously for over a year to escape from Alcatraz. 303 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:18,000 Yeah. 304 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:19,000 You got to do it right. 305 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:20,000 Make sure everything's perfect. 306 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:21,000 Take that time. 307 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,760 I mean, they're probably serving upwards of 10 years. 308 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:26,120 So I mean, what's one year of planning? 309 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:27,120 Yeah, absolutely. 310 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:30,880 To make sure they get it right because otherwise they'll get more charges if they get caught, 311 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:31,880 if they don't get it perfect. 312 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:32,880 Yeah. 313 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:37,120 And you know, I didn't really see anything on if Alan West got any charges for being 314 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:38,120 involved. 315 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:42,800 But we'll get into his conversation a little bit later because a lot of this information 316 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:47,100 comes from him on that planning and everything that went behind it. 317 00:15:47,100 --> 00:15:50,320 They all began planning in December of 1961. 318 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:58,460 Frank, John, Clarence, and Alan all began using spoons from the cafeteria to chip away 319 00:15:58,460 --> 00:15:59,800 at the concrete walls. 320 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:02,560 I think you saw that movie Shawshank Redemption, right? 321 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:03,560 Nope. 322 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:04,560 I have not seen any. 323 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:05,560 Are you kidding? 324 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:12,240 Yeah, I always say I've never seen any movie ever because I've never seen any movies. 325 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:13,240 Okay. 326 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:17,640 Well, for our listeners, I know that you have seen Shawshank Redemption. 327 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:23,100 And if you were thinking about the big poster on the wall with Raquel Welch, she was a really 328 00:16:23,100 --> 00:16:27,120 popular pinup model back in the early 60s. 329 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:30,240 Corey, if you've never seen the movie, you wouldn't understand. 330 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:34,480 But they basically started chipping away at the concrete walls. 331 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:38,720 One of the main characters from that movie was honestly doing the same thing. 332 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:43,960 And every time a new poster of Raquel Welch came out, he would get it and pin it up on 333 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:44,960 his wall. 334 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:49,440 And the guards always said something about the pinup poster. 335 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:55,760 Well, unbeknownst to them, he had been chipping away at the concrete wall for decades. 336 00:16:55,760 --> 00:17:00,540 And this is probably what these guys were doing too, because I cannot see how they could 337 00:17:00,540 --> 00:17:05,700 not have been caught doing this unless it was tucked away, you know, maybe behind their 338 00:17:05,700 --> 00:17:06,920 bed or something. 339 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:07,920 I don't know. 340 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:11,680 I couldn't really find any information on where they were chipping away at these things. 341 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:17,420 But I would assume the back wall where the close probably close to where the toilet is 342 00:17:17,420 --> 00:17:19,160 because they've got to have that toilet. 343 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:22,320 I would think they'd have to have it on the back wall with all the pipes and whatnot. 344 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:27,280 They're probably just chipping into where the whole plumbing system is and whatnot, 345 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:29,600 because it's going to be a bigger open area. 346 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:30,660 I don't know. 347 00:17:30,660 --> 00:17:36,400 They were actually diligent enough because there was some kind of access chute back behind 348 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:38,760 wherever they were chipping away at. 349 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:44,640 And over that period of time, they spent over a year doing this, Corey, they were able to 350 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,440 throw stuff through that chute. 351 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:52,680 I mean, as far as supplies, they were just able to throw whatever down their chute and 352 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:54,100 save it for later. 353 00:17:54,100 --> 00:18:00,240 They manufactured a periscope that allowed them to monitor the guards activities while 354 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:01,480 they were working. 355 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:07,580 So one of them is using the periscope to watch the guards while the other guys were working 356 00:18:07,580 --> 00:18:13,800 away in a secret workshop, which was behind the walls of their prison cells. 357 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,840 It was an area that nobody ever went to. 358 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:18,120 It was not monitored. 359 00:18:18,120 --> 00:18:19,520 I don't even know. 360 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:21,120 But just a real quick question. 361 00:18:21,120 --> 00:18:26,520 Does any of this give you the heebie-jeebies about what inmates are up to when you're there 362 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:27,520 and working? 363 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:28,520 Oh yeah. 364 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:30,080 They're always up to something. 365 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,400 When I was working in the jail, they're always up to something. 366 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,600 And I would always say they're not the smartest people, but my God, they are clever. 367 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:41,560 Because they got nothing to do but make things up and think and nothing but time. 368 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:44,520 And they're not thinking about, what's the word, reform? 369 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:45,520 No, no. 370 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:47,280 They're not thinking about what they did. 371 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:50,000 They're thinking about ways to get out of it. 372 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,200 All right, so here's a little comical part. 373 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:53,200 Or maybe not. 374 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:54,200 Who knows? 375 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:55,200 Let me know. 376 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:59,160 How do you think these guys covered up the drilling noises and everything else that they 377 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:04,240 were doing when they had their little workshop back behind their cells? 378 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:05,240 What do you think they were doing? 379 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:06,240 I don't know. 380 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:09,840 They'd have to... I mean, that chipping is going to make noise. 381 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:17,400 I mean, I wouldn't expect them to be able to use a plastic spoon to chip away at a stone 382 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:18,400 wall. 383 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,320 Also, I mean, that metal spoon is going to be loud. 384 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,360 So maybe banging things up against bars. 385 00:19:24,360 --> 00:19:25,360 Nope. 386 00:19:25,360 --> 00:19:26,360 Close though. 387 00:19:26,360 --> 00:19:27,720 Alan West had a talent. 388 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:29,760 He liked to play the accordion. 389 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:30,760 That's loud. 390 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:34,240 You let them have an accordion in prison? 391 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:35,240 Yes. 392 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:36,240 And here's why. 393 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:42,040 They did have a good reason for it, Corey, because every day for an hour, the guards 394 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:47,400 played the accordion over the intercom system to keep the prisoners calm. 395 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:49,000 Yeah, that makes sense. 396 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:50,760 Music makes a big difference for them. 397 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:51,760 Yeah. 398 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:53,400 Alan West was in charge of that. 399 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:58,940 So the other three guys were just smart enough to time everything just right and all the 400 00:19:58,940 --> 00:20:00,760 noises that went with it. 401 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:04,640 But for any of you who don't know what an accordion is, I mean, Corey, do you even know 402 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:05,640 what it is? 403 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:06,640 Yeah. 404 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:07,640 You just pull it apart, put it together. 405 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:08,640 It's that... Yeah. 406 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:09,640 Yeah. 407 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:11,760 Just tap it on your front. 408 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:16,960 You pull and push and the air goes through and then you play a little piano keyboard on 409 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:18,920 the side and you play the polka. 410 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:20,200 That's what you do. 411 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:21,200 Yeah. 412 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:27,960 It looks like what Wile E. Coyote turns into after he gets hit by a giant stone. 413 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:28,960 Yes. 414 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:30,800 All right. 415 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:36,480 Since music hour was during waking hours, Corey, how do you think Frank Morris and the 416 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:39,440 Anglin brothers got away with working in that corridor? 417 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,640 So I asked you, how do you think they got away with the sounds? 418 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:47,840 Now I'm going to ask, how do you think they got away with working in the corridors behind 419 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:48,840 their jail cells? 420 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:49,840 I don't know. 421 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:50,840 I have no idea. 422 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:51,840 Okay. 423 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:57,680 So they skillfully created heads from cotton sheets, plaster, soap, flesh tone paint, and 424 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:02,080 real human hair that made the decoys as real as possible. 425 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,520 So they made almost like paper mache heads. 426 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:05,520 How about that? 427 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:06,920 Like I said, nothing but time. 428 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:08,000 No, they didn't. 429 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:12,640 And so what they would do is they would put those heads on their pillows and they would 430 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:17,160 make it look like they were taking a nap because again, this was during waking hours and it 431 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,120 looked like they were taking a nap. 432 00:21:19,120 --> 00:21:23,680 And at that time they would sneak out into their secret workshop to continue their plan 433 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:25,480 without ever being revealed. 434 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,640 Now remember Corey, this went on for over a year. 435 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:29,800 What are your thoughts on that? 436 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,040 Like what are the prison guards doing? 437 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:33,520 They're being complacent for sure. 438 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,000 I assume they have to do checks. 439 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:38,960 We had to do checks every hour, relatively on the hour, but we'd still keep it somewhat 440 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,240 random so they wouldn't expect us just to make sure they're not doing anything they're 441 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,280 not supposed to be doing, but that's just complacency. 442 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:45,360 Yeah, that makes sense. 443 00:21:45,360 --> 00:21:46,960 Or they could have been paid off. 444 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:48,280 Yeah, that's true too. 445 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:50,760 There's corruption within the jail and prison system for sure. 446 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:51,760 All right. 447 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,080 I'm going to talk about the night of the escape. 448 00:21:54,080 --> 00:22:01,040 On June 11th, 1962, Frank, John, and Clarence made their way down that corridor behind their 449 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:02,040 cells. 450 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:07,520 They collected their things, climbed up into the tight air vents, made their way up to 451 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:14,000 the roof and slipped across a 100 foot section without being detected by the guards in the 452 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:15,000 watchtowers. 453 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:16,480 That is astounding. 454 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,640 Yeah, it's a lot. 455 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:19,640 It's ballsy. 456 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,920 They then shimmy down a 50 foot smokestack. 457 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:28,460 They climbed a 12 foot barbed wire fence, went to the northeast section of the prison 458 00:22:28,460 --> 00:22:32,280 and launched a makeshift raft into the San Francisco Bay. 459 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:33,480 How'd they make a raft? 460 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:37,700 Oh, well, I mean, I'll tell you now, but I'll probably go into this in a couple of minutes. 461 00:22:37,700 --> 00:22:40,120 They actually made it, Cory, out of raincoats. 462 00:22:40,120 --> 00:22:41,120 Oh wow. 463 00:22:41,120 --> 00:22:43,640 Yeah, that were donated by other prisoners. 464 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:49,720 Yeah, I don't, I have no idea how they could have gotten through all of those checkpoints 465 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:54,240 without getting caught, especially with when they come up to that 12 foot fence with barbed 466 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:55,240 wire. 467 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,000 Cause that had to have taken a little bit of time to get through. 468 00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:59,000 Yeah. 469 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,040 But really with those, you just have to throw like a rug over barbed wire is pretty easy 470 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:03,040 to defeat. 471 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:04,040 Is it? 472 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:05,040 Yeah. 473 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:11,360 Well, the day of the discovery on June 12th, 1962, something that Elcatraz was known for 474 00:23:11,360 --> 00:23:17,520 was that its prison staff would conduct body counts on its inmates several times a day, 475 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:21,680 kind of like what you just said, Cory, but they wouldn't do it on the hour every hour. 476 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,280 They just did it several times a day every day. 477 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:31,720 However, on June 12th, 1962, three beds were missing Frank Morris, John Anglin and Clarence 478 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:32,720 Anglin. 479 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:37,280 Now remember these guys had placed those plastic heads on their pillows and it looked like 480 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:38,540 they were sleeping. 481 00:23:38,540 --> 00:23:45,140 These heads were so well designed that the three men made their escape hours before even 482 00:23:45,140 --> 00:23:46,140 being discovered. 483 00:23:46,140 --> 00:23:48,560 So they had a really big head start. 484 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:49,560 Yeah. 485 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:50,560 A long time. 486 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:55,240 And the guard making his rounds likely took notice, I can't say for sure because I really 487 00:23:55,240 --> 00:24:00,140 don't have a lot of information on what time of day it was that they discovered the three 488 00:24:00,140 --> 00:24:01,140 guys missing. 489 00:24:01,140 --> 00:24:07,480 But what he had done is that he reached through the bars to nudge Frank Morris. 490 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:11,920 Imagine his surprise, Cory, when the head rolled to the floor. 491 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,480 This would be one of those, what would you do moments? 492 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:15,480 Yeah. 493 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:16,480 I don't know what I'd do. 494 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,400 I know I'm in deep trouble for allowing that to happen. 495 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:26,840 Obviously in a media, all points bulletin went out on Frank Morris and the Anglin brothers. 496 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:32,300 Family members were interviewed and boat operators in the San Francisco Bay were told to keep 497 00:24:32,300 --> 00:24:36,080 an eye out for debris that may have been used in the men's escape. 498 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:41,720 So I had mentioned that they had made the lifeboat, made the raft out of raincoats. 499 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:45,760 They actually used 50 raincoats at that time. 500 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,120 They were all donated by other inmates. 501 00:24:48,120 --> 00:24:54,360 A few things were quickly recovered, including a packet of letters sealed in waterproof packaging 502 00:24:54,360 --> 00:24:57,160 and a set of makeshift paddles. 503 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:58,280 So how about that? 504 00:24:58,280 --> 00:24:59,760 They definitely had their ducks in a row. 505 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:00,760 Yeah. 506 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:01,760 I just can't believe they were able to carry all that. 507 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,060 I wonder if they just had it all waiting for them. 508 00:25:04,060 --> 00:25:07,920 So they probably made that trick a couple of times to get that wrapped out there because 509 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,480 I couldn't imagine them maneuvering like that with all that. 510 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:11,480 Wow. 511 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,040 That's a good thought process there. 512 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:14,400 I never thought of that. 513 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,480 How do you think they learned how to make a raft out of raincoats? 514 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:19,480 Do you think? 515 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:20,480 Any guesses? 516 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:21,480 Yeah. 517 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:22,480 They probably flooded their cell. 518 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,560 If I had to guess, they probably flooded their cell because inmates would do that all the 519 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,680 time in the jail and they just see what would float. 520 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:28,680 Seriously? 521 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:29,680 Yeah. 522 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:30,680 Oh my gosh. 523 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,680 I had no ideas of the, you've never told me these stories before. 524 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:34,680 Oh my gosh. 525 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:35,680 What will they think of next? 526 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:36,680 Was I close? 527 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:40,160 No, actually, Corey, they learned from reading magazines that they were given. 528 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:41,760 Ah, that'll do it. 529 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:42,760 Yeah. 530 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:48,160 They were given instructions on how to make rafts out of raincoats in magazines, which 531 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:49,520 is pretty resourceful. 532 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:50,520 Okay. 533 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,120 I just, I can't imagine their mindset, Corey. 534 00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:57,900 They're working on all this for a whole year and you know they had to have been just gleefully 535 00:25:57,900 --> 00:26:03,360 putting this whole plan together because nobody's none the wiser here and they just keep going 536 00:26:03,360 --> 00:26:05,160 night after night. 537 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,800 Everything is in motion and I mean for over a year. 538 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:09,800 Can you imagine? 539 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:10,800 Yeah. 540 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:12,480 And not only did I have to keep it from the guards, but they're going to have to keep 541 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:16,680 it from inmates too because there's going to be snitches in there and people talk so 542 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:17,920 it will eventually get around. 543 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,160 So they're keeping that away from everybody. 544 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:26,900 Yes, except for Alan West because eventually the FBI was called in and he spilled a lot 545 00:26:26,900 --> 00:26:34,720 of tea because according to FBI.gov, the men had found old saw blades around the prison 546 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,880 because that's useful, of course, right? 547 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,560 And it kind of inspired them. 548 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:40,600 Hey, you know what? 549 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,260 We got some old equipment kind of laying around. 550 00:26:43,260 --> 00:26:44,780 We should try to escape. 551 00:26:44,780 --> 00:26:49,480 They took the motor of a vacuum cleaner to make a drill that helped them loosen the air 552 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:54,600 vents in their cells where they could hide things until they were ready to shoot it down 553 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:55,600 that shoot. 554 00:26:55,600 --> 00:27:01,940 After the discovery, Alcatraz went obviously on an immediate lockdown, although police 555 00:27:01,940 --> 00:27:07,720 believe the men gained at least a 10 hour lead before their escape was detected. 556 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:13,400 They were able to make their way through those vents to access unguarded hallways and corridors 557 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,600 behind the cells that I had mentioned. 558 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,840 All this was told to the FBI from Alan West. 559 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:24,780 Corey, I mentioned the three men were discovered missing the next morning. 560 00:27:24,780 --> 00:27:28,600 So of course, a manhunt ensued rather quickly. 561 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:35,680 Alcatraz officials began an immediate investigation calling in the FBI and in 1963, officials 562 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:41,680 made the decision to shut down Alcatraz due to the high costs of operating this maximum 563 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:42,960 security prison. 564 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:50,560 Now it's part of the US national parks that you can visit on Alcatraz in self guided tours, 565 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,560 sort of like the forts that you go around to in the country. 566 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,640 I don't know if you've ever been fort hopping, Corey. 567 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,120 I've done it a couple of times. 568 00:27:57,120 --> 00:27:58,120 I've not done that. 569 00:27:58,120 --> 00:27:59,120 I don't think I'd visit that place. 570 00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:00,560 That place seems really haunted. 571 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:01,560 Agreed. 572 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:02,560 I don't. 573 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:03,560 Yeah, I'm good on that. 574 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:07,840 Yeah, I don't think so either. 575 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,680 I mean, you have to take a ferry to get there. 576 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:14,400 So imagine you've got this big rock where you've got a maximum security prison and back 577 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:18,240 in the day, you'd probably have to get on a ferry to go to work every day and then get 578 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:19,940 on the ferry to come home. 579 00:28:19,940 --> 00:28:23,000 So it's not just, you know, walking in and clocking in. 580 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,040 It's a, it takes a minute to get out there. 581 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:26,040 It's a commute. 582 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:27,040 Yeah. 583 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:31,800 There are a couple of theories as to what happened to Frank Morris and the Anglin brothers 584 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:38,840 to this day, no one has ever seen these three men and no one is even sure that that any 585 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:44,440 of them ever made it out of the bay due to those strong currents and cold temperatures. 586 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:50,520 All I can envision is the original movie where these guys finally left the island and at 587 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:54,880 the very end of the movie, they're all laughing and paddling off, but that's the last of the 588 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:56,240 movie is a mystery. 589 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:57,860 Did they make it to shore or not? 590 00:28:57,860 --> 00:29:01,120 No one ever reported any property theft. 591 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:06,520 I mean, rather quickly within, I would say a very short period of time, there was an 592 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:11,440 incident where a car was stolen, but I mean, or everyday incidents, you're going to get 593 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,200 some kind of criminal activity in the area. 594 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:19,880 So it's unlikely that any of them would have tried to get a getaway car or fresh clothing, 595 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,120 anything like that. 596 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:27,640 However, the makeshift paddles washed up on shore on June 14th, along with some of the 597 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,520 Anglin's possessions, like a wallet. 598 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:34,680 So you know, big question, did they or didn't they make it? 599 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:40,320 The raft made from those raincoats washed ashore six days later near the Golden Gate 600 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:47,520 Bridge nearby Angel Island, along with a plastic bag containing pictures and addresses of Frank, 601 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,160 John and Clarence's family members. 602 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,760 They had a direction that they were going to go. 603 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:59,480 Obviously those family members were interviewed, but they seemed just as surprised about the 604 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,160 jailbreak as everybody else was. 605 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:03,720 How far did they have to paddle? 606 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:09,240 I've been to San Francisco before, and I know you can go to Fisherman's Wharf and look at 607 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:10,240 it. 608 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,880 If you want a closer look, you can use binoculars, but it's really not that far. 609 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:14,760 I'm really bad with distance. 610 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,800 I would say at least a football field. 611 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,520 I didn't look those measurements up, but that's a great question. 612 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:20,760 But I would say at least a football. 613 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:21,760 Oh yeah, I'm looking at it. 614 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,240 I mean, if you're swimming, it'd be tough. 615 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,560 It's a couple miles, but you can do that on a raft. 616 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,240 Is it a couple miles out there? 617 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:29,240 Really? 618 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:30,240 Maybe to scale. 619 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,000 Maybe a mile and a half. 620 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,000 What month was it? 621 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:39,640 Well, they started planning in December, but they worked over a year, maybe almost 18 months. 622 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,320 So the escape date was June 12th, 1962. 623 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:44,320 Okay. 624 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,800 I'm sure they wouldn't want to try to... If they planned it that intently, I can imagine 625 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,320 them wanting to make that escape when it's freezing cold outside. 626 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,680 No, I don't care where you live. 627 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,120 Even in Georgia, it gets cold in the winter, Tom. 628 00:30:55,120 --> 00:31:02,840 All right, in 1975, there are a lot of accounts given by family members from both the Morris 629 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,840 and the Anglin families. 630 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:09,720 Some believe that the Morris and Anglin brothers successfully escaped and lived out their lives 631 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:10,960 in Brazil. 632 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:16,360 And apparently, Corey, there's a picture out there that was taken in 1975 by a childhood 633 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:22,620 friend that the Anglin brother family confirmed, but the FBI did not. 634 00:31:22,620 --> 00:31:28,240 One of Frank Morris's cousins came forward to say that Frank had asked him to bribe the 635 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,060 prison guards on Alcatraz. 636 00:31:30,060 --> 00:31:31,060 So there you go. 637 00:31:31,060 --> 00:31:33,180 Maybe it's a possibility. 638 00:31:33,180 --> 00:31:37,600 And he met Frank in a nearby park several days after the escape. 639 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,080 And this is all hearsay, so we just don't know. 640 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:46,280 A fifth inmate went on to say that his girlfriend had picked the men up and drove them to Mexico. 641 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:52,460 However, a local television network paid him for this interview where he had made the claim. 642 00:31:52,460 --> 00:31:55,840 So obviously, we're going to take that with a grain of salt, right? 643 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,000 When you get paid for an interview, you're not always going to tell the truth because 644 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,000 you know. 645 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,200 Yeah, you're going to say what they want you to say because they know what gets them ratings. 646 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:04,320 Absolutely. 647 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:10,920 One of the Anglin brothers' nephews is adamant that his uncles made a successful escape specifically 648 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:16,980 because his mother, which is John and Clarence's sister, would tell him tales about his uncle's 649 00:32:16,980 --> 00:32:18,680 escape from Alcatraz. 650 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:23,880 And that photo that I had mentioned, the one back in 1975, it was found in the England 651 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:25,800 Sisters photo album. 652 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:31,440 An expert who compared pictures of John and Clarence verified that although the picture 653 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:37,160 is grainy, because honestly, that was pretty common back in 1970s photos, the two men did 654 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:43,620 bear a strong resemblance of the brothers, but they could not be 100% sure it was them. 655 00:32:43,620 --> 00:32:45,360 Did they drown or didn't they? 656 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:51,640 The FBI officially declared all three men dead from drowning in 1979, which would have 657 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,680 been 17 years after their escape. 658 00:32:54,680 --> 00:33:01,080 According to New York Times, which published a story on this escape in 2002, it suggested 659 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:07,240 that it's entirely possible for a body to go missing and never resurface under the cold, 660 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:11,480 choppy and deep conditions of the San Francisco Bay. 661 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,920 We've talked about great white sharks feeding on seals. 662 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:16,720 You know how I feel about that. 663 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:21,600 But interestingly enough, Corey, there are also bottom dwellers like crabs and other 664 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:26,960 sea life that feed off bodies if they were drowned in that water. 665 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:31,560 And according to the articles that I read, they would punch holes in the body, which 666 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,560 would prevent gases from allowing the body to surface. 667 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:35,560 That's gross. 668 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:36,560 So there you go. 669 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:42,720 I mean, you know, I'm going one, just one step further than necessary, but you know, 670 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:43,720 it's all about the data. 671 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:44,720 Yeah. 672 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:51,020 So to this day, Frank, John and Clarence remain on the FBI's most wanted list, as well as 673 00:33:51,020 --> 00:33:53,360 an open case with the US Marshals. 674 00:33:53,360 --> 00:34:01,260 In 1989, one of John and Clarence's brothers stated that these England brothers had made 675 00:34:01,260 --> 00:34:05,520 an appearance at their father's funeral, but left shortly thereafter. 676 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:09,980 Frank Morris was born on September 1st, 1926. 677 00:34:09,980 --> 00:34:17,040 So today, Corey, he would probably be somewhere around 97 years old if he was still alive. 678 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:22,760 And today they would not be able to do a facial recognition from that photo that was taken 679 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,540 back in 1975. 680 00:34:24,540 --> 00:34:28,760 Because if you were to see it, you could see that the two men were wearing sunglasses and 681 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:34,280 apparently you need pupils exposed to get a solid match, which I did not know. 682 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:35,280 I thought that was pretty cool. 683 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:36,280 I didn't either. 684 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:40,800 But it works with the depths of your face, so it looks at where your eyes sink in and 685 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,160 whatnot, where your cheekbones protrude and all that. 686 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:49,280 But yeah, I can definitely see them grow their facial hair out, sunglasses. 687 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:50,720 It's going to make it real tough. 688 00:34:50,720 --> 00:34:51,720 Okay. 689 00:34:51,720 --> 00:34:54,700 Well, that was one other thing they said too, is there was a lot of facial hair, obviously 690 00:34:54,700 --> 00:34:55,920 back in the seventies. 691 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,940 We know the styles are much different when these guys were on Alcatraz. 692 00:34:59,940 --> 00:35:03,040 It was the sixties and who did they look like at the time? 693 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:04,040 Elvis Presley, right? 694 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:08,760 With those slick back dudes, but in the seventies, you know everybody grew their hair out and 695 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,720 that was what was in the picture. 696 00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:15,920 So that would definitely skew any ability to really see if that was really them or not. 697 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:16,920 Yeah. 698 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:17,920 And you can think about it like this. 699 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,720 If you get a new iPhone, you know how it has the facial recognition to open your phone? 700 00:35:21,720 --> 00:35:22,720 Yes. 701 00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:26,200 So initially if you have a hat and sunglasses on, it won't be able to pick you up. 702 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:27,560 It won't be able to recognize you. 703 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,480 But over time it'll learn, it'll learn those depths. 704 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,840 And eventually like now I can open my phone with hat and sunglasses on, but if I wear 705 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,400 certain sunglasses, then it doesn't register. 706 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:41,080 Interesting because I have been able to open my phone with my sunglasses on. 707 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:42,080 Huh. 708 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:43,580 So it's a learning machine. 709 00:35:43,580 --> 00:35:45,800 Over time it picks up on that. 710 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:46,800 Yeah. 711 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:47,800 Wow. 712 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,200 That's why they say you're not supposed to use facial recognition. 713 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:51,200 Yep. 714 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:52,200 Interesting. 715 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,240 I use it just because it's convenient and they're, you know, I'm already being tracked 716 00:35:55,240 --> 00:35:56,240 anyway. 717 00:35:56,240 --> 00:35:57,240 So, oh well, I'll just take the convenience. 718 00:35:57,240 --> 00:35:59,600 I used to be very against it, but now I'm just like, eh, whatever. 719 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:00,600 They know where I'm at anyways. 720 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:01,600 Exactly. 721 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,760 And I'm about 75% against it. 722 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,880 That's why I don't get on social media very much, but I mean, you know, the phone's another 723 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:08,880 story for sure. 724 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:09,880 All right. 725 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:15,920 According to KTLA television based out of Los Angeles, California, someone claiming 726 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:21,200 to be John Anglin had sent a letter to authorities back in 2018. 727 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:26,840 And in this letter, he asked for medical assistance in return for a lighter sentence if he were 728 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:28,280 to turn himself in. 729 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:29,280 Huh. 730 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:33,440 And he made mention that both his brother, Clarence and Frank Morris were dead. 731 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:38,280 No follow-up letters were ever received as to this person's whereabouts. 732 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,280 And so obviously the mystery remains today. 733 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:47,160 However, because this letter resurfaced, Corey, the U.S. Marshall's office reopened the case 734 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,560 and published age progression photos of the three men. 735 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:54,400 I mean, I've seen the pictures to be honest, they all look alike. 736 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:55,400 They're what? 737 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,280 80s, 90s, bald, wrinkled. 738 00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:03,240 To me, I couldn't really see very much of a resemblance, obviously, if it was this long 739 00:37:03,240 --> 00:37:04,240 since what? 740 00:37:04,240 --> 00:37:08,600 60 years since they escaped this kind of a needle in the haystack. 741 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:09,600 Yeah. 742 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:13,360 I don't know how good that technology is either because they'll do it with kids too. 743 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:17,160 Like if they're stolen as babies, you know, several years later, they'll say like, this 744 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:18,160 is what they might look like. 745 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,280 And if they're found, it's not a hundred percent because you can't really predict how they're 746 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:22,280 going to turn out. 747 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:28,320 They can't because there has been a couple of cases that I have done on our podcast and 748 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:34,600 the age progression was done and people were found later in life through DNA or what have 749 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,920 you didn't look anything like the age progression. 750 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:37,920 Yeah. 751 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:38,920 It's just very unpredictable. 752 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:44,600 Well, that is the story of Frank Morris and the England brothers and their escape from 753 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:45,600 Alcatraz. 754 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:46,600 You have any other thoughts? 755 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:47,600 No, that was fun. 756 00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:48,960 It was a good one. 757 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:49,960 Thanks. 758 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:55,240 I would love to know what our listeners have to say on this storyline and how about some 759 00:37:55,240 --> 00:37:58,080 feedback on Corey as a cohost. 760 00:37:58,080 --> 00:37:59,080 I'd love that. 761 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:00,080 Yeah. 762 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:01,080 All right. 763 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:02,080 What do you think, Corey? 764 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:03,080 What's your thoughts? 765 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:04,080 Are you enjoying this so far? 766 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:05,080 Yeah, it's fun. 767 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:06,080 It's a good time. 768 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:07,080 You still doing those teachable moments thing. 769 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:08,080 I am doing those teachable moments. 770 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:09,080 Do you want to hear one? 771 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:10,080 Of course. 772 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:11,080 Okay. 773 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,400 Pay attention to your surroundings and I'm sure you can attest Corey that there are several 774 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:19,200 times when we get into our comfort zone with what's going on around us. 775 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,160 But do we really pay attention to it? 776 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:22,160 And I'll give you an example. 777 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:28,640 Corey, have you ever taken a drive that you've probably taken a zillion times before, but 778 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:32,400 to be honest with you, you don't even know how you got to a certain point. 779 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:33,400 Yeah. 780 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,680 If you're driving down the road that you've kind of blanked out, does that ever happen 781 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:37,680 to you? 782 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,960 Yeah, you get so used to that drive that you can't even remember it happening sometimes. 783 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:41,960 Exactly. 784 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:43,640 And that is called driving hypnosis. 785 00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:48,440 And a lot of that occurs honestly within, I'm told, two miles of your home because those 786 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,120 are the roads that you take every day. 787 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:52,120 And you're so used to it. 788 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:57,720 I mean, I've done that a zillion times, but the problem is, is that we get so used to 789 00:38:57,720 --> 00:39:02,360 our environment that we don't always pay attention to the little details around us. 790 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,880 And the problem is, is that we simply need to pay attention. 791 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:10,600 And the reasons I say this, Corey, is because Frank Morris and the Anglin brothers worked 792 00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,320 for over a year to plan this escape. 793 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:14,320 No one was paying attention. 794 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,000 Yeah, they were complacent for sure. 795 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,840 I don't know if you've ever questioned anybody about anything that you've been called out 796 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:21,840 for. 797 00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:26,080 Like, were they, did they have to give a description of what somebody was wearing, anything like 798 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:27,080 that? 799 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:28,960 How much detail were they able to provide? 800 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,400 Yeah, I've been, I've been taught that before. 801 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,400 You're not really focused on what they look like. 802 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:34,400 You're just kind of focusing on what's going on. 803 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:38,400 So then after they leave, you're like, ah crap, are they wearing pants or shorts? 804 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,840 Or are they wearing red shirt, black shirt? 805 00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:42,560 It happens and everyone's guilty of it. 806 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,040 I'm a big proponent of being aware of your surroundings. 807 00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:48,520 But there's been times where I'll be sitting and watching traffic and I just start playing 808 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:52,720 on my phone and then all of a sudden someone knocks on my door or my window of my car. 809 00:39:52,720 --> 00:39:53,720 Oh my gosh. 810 00:39:53,720 --> 00:39:54,720 And it makes you jump. 811 00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:56,840 You're like, oh, well, clearly I wasn't paying attention. 812 00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:01,120 It's always just some older person asking me how to get to a location where they already 813 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:02,120 have their GPS open. 814 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,120 It doesn't make any sense to me, but it is what it is. 815 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:05,120 I'm happy to help. 816 00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:09,240 But definitely makes you think, like, I need to be more aware. 817 00:40:09,240 --> 00:40:14,640 So get rid of your distractors and pay attention to your surroundings because you never know 818 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,640 when you're going to need to know those fine details. 819 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:18,640 And that's it, Corey. 820 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:19,640 That's my teachable moment. 821 00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:20,640 Well, that was fun. 822 00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:21,640 All right. 823 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:25,400 Well, Corey, until next time, we have this little rotation going. 824 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,520 So I've already got my next story for you. 825 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:29,520 I'm excited. 826 00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:30,520 All right. 827 00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:31,520 Sounds good. 828 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:32,520 All right. 829 00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,800 Well, we will talk to everyone soon. 830 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:35,800 Thanks for listening. 831 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,440 Thanks for listening to Dying to be Found. 832 00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:43,440 Before we go, we would love for you to leave a review on your favorite podcast platform. 833 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:49,160 Be sure to follow us on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, and Pinterest at Dying to be Found. 834 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:55,040 You can access our website, email, social media, and storyline request form by clicking 835 00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,800 on our Linktree account found in our show notes. 836 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:03,320 If you like our episodes, consider buying us a coffee at buymeacoffee.com slash Dying 837 00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,560 to be Found, spelled just like you see it on our logo. 838 00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:10,240 Feel free to message us on Instagram and let us know how we're doing. 839 00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:11,680 Or if you'd like a sticker. 840 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:16,680 With that, be sure to check us out every Thursday, wherever you get your podcasts. 841 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:42,520 We will talk to you all next week.