1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,100 Hi everyone, this is Deb from Dying to be Found. 2 00:00:03,100 --> 00:00:07,820 Before we get started, I just wanted to say that episodes contain disturbing discussions 3 00:00:07,820 --> 00:00:12,380 on harmful acts and crimes against animals and or humankind. 4 00:00:12,380 --> 00:00:17,620 Recordings are not intended for young or sensitive audiences due to the content nature of this 5 00:00:17,620 --> 00:00:18,620 podcast. 6 00:00:18,620 --> 00:00:23,920 Listener discretion is strongly advised. 7 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:29,860 Hi everyone, I'm your host, Deb, where every week I pull in different co-hosts 8 00:00:29,860 --> 00:00:32,240 to tell my true crime tales too. 9 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:37,480 Season two is a little bit different because I've added a new family member to our rotation 10 00:00:37,480 --> 00:00:40,320 and today you get to meet my son, Cory. 11 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:45,440 Hey guys, this is my first podcast, so don't be too judgmental. 12 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:51,400 Cory, I wanted to bring you on because on this podcast, I don't even know if you listen, 13 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:53,600 but I like to say this is a family thing. 14 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:58,600 Plus, I know you're busy, so I thought this would be an excellent time to spend a little 15 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:00,640 quality of time with your mother. 16 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:02,080 So thanks for joining in. 17 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:03,560 Thanks for agreeing to do this. 18 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:04,560 I'm excited. 19 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:05,560 Yeah, this will be fun. 20 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:08,400 I mean, I listen to a lot of podcasts while I work all day, so it's kind of cool to be 21 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:09,760 on the other side of it for once. 22 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:11,680 I know, it really kind of is. 23 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:17,660 I wanted to get a guy's perspective on some of these cases and just so our listeners know, 24 00:01:17,660 --> 00:01:21,320 you're going to start recognizing some themes during season two. 25 00:01:21,320 --> 00:01:26,240 Cory, you're going to get the rough and tough cases because I thought it'd be really cool 26 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:30,720 not only to hear from you, but since you're in law enforcement, I wanted to hear your 27 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:32,680 take from that angle as well. 28 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,600 So this is kind of my thought process for season two. 29 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:40,280 In the meantime, welcome to episode 53 of Dying to be Found. 30 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:43,080 And Cory, are you ready for your very first episode? 31 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:44,400 Yeah, let's do it. 32 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:45,400 All right. 33 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:49,920 I like to open things up by asking a question to get you thinking about this case. 34 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:56,200 So when you're growing up, I know you had this real need for speed when it came to skateboarding 35 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:57,680 and playing hockey and things like that. 36 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:00,040 I know you still have that needs for speed. 37 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:01,040 Yeah, definitely. 38 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:02,040 Okay. 39 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,880 So I don't even know the answer to this question. 40 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,600 Have you ever bungee jumped or jumped out of an airplane? 41 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,320 I've jumped out of helicopters, but not an airplane. 42 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:11,640 Oh, how was it? 43 00:02:11,640 --> 00:02:12,640 Was it a rush? 44 00:02:12,640 --> 00:02:13,640 Yeah, yeah. 45 00:02:13,640 --> 00:02:14,640 It's definitely a big adrenaline rush. 46 00:02:14,640 --> 00:02:15,640 And yeah, you're right. 47 00:02:15,640 --> 00:02:17,440 I definitely still chase that today. 48 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:18,440 Oh, how so? 49 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:20,040 Like things that get my blood going. 50 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:21,040 It's fun. 51 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:22,040 Okay. 52 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:23,040 Don't tell me anymore. 53 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:24,440 You'd probably don't want your mother to know that. 54 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:27,720 You'd scare the crap out of me, right? 55 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:30,560 Oh Lord. 56 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:35,040 Well the reason I asked this is because we're going to talk about DB Cooper today. 57 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:36,840 I don't even know if you've heard of him. 58 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:37,840 Probably not. 59 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:38,840 It was happening a long time ago. 60 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:39,840 Yeah. 61 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:42,560 I think the only time I heard about it is whenever you told me that this is the podcast 62 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:43,560 we were doing. 63 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:44,560 Okay. 64 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:50,360 So this case is known as Norjack with the FBI, which is short for Northwest Hijacking. 65 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:56,040 And the FBI considers this to be one of the longest and most exhaustive investigations 66 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:57,680 in US history. 67 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:04,220 It's about a mysterious hijacker who boarded Northwest Orient Airlines back in 1971, also 68 00:03:04,220 --> 00:03:06,960 known as Northwest Airlines Today. 69 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:10,900 And he created a little bit of chaos by hijacking a plane. 70 00:03:10,900 --> 00:03:15,680 He proceeded to jump out of that plane while it was in flight. 71 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,040 And to this day, he has never been identified. 72 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:19,040 How about that? 73 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:20,960 It seems like a lot of chaos. 74 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:21,960 Yeah, it was. 75 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:23,480 It certainly was. 76 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:30,520 On November 24th, 1971, the day before Thanksgiving in the United States, a man walked up to the 77 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:35,320 ticket counter of Northwest Orient Airlines out of Portland, Oregon. 78 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:41,920 He identified himself as Dan Cooper and paid cash for a one-way ticket to Seattle, Washington. 79 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:47,780 And the reason, Corey, that we know that this case is DB Cooper today is because once the 80 00:03:47,780 --> 00:03:54,460 news media got ahold of this story, a reporter misheard the name of the suspect and reported 81 00:03:54,460 --> 00:03:56,380 him as DB Cooper. 82 00:03:56,380 --> 00:03:57,380 And it stuck. 83 00:03:57,380 --> 00:04:02,920 I mean, no offense to the reporters out there, but come on now, isn't it your job to report 84 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:04,460 news accurately? 85 00:04:04,460 --> 00:04:05,560 How can you mess that up? 86 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,560 Dan Cooper, DB Cooper doesn't even sound the same. 87 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,880 No, I mean, you would think, no, you had one job. 88 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:12,880 Yes. 89 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:18,560 All right, obviously the name Dan Cooper was fake and there was nothing unusual about this 90 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:19,560 guy. 91 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:21,360 He was wearing a trench coat. 92 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,360 I mean, I don't know if you've seen movies back in the seventies, Corey. 93 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,600 I mean, his attire was pretty standard for the day. 94 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:32,880 He was wearing a trench coat, a business suit and loafers, which was really not uncommon 95 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:37,840 while flying back in the day because believe it or not, in those days, people actually 96 00:04:37,840 --> 00:04:40,240 took pride in themselves and dressed for the occasion. 97 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:43,840 Well, I mean, if you're going to, if you're going to do some crazy stuff, then you might 98 00:04:43,840 --> 00:04:45,880 as well dress like you blend in. 99 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:48,600 So it doesn't seem anything out of the norm to me. 100 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:50,520 No, it didn't seem that way with anybody. 101 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,860 He was described to be in his mid forties. 102 00:04:53,860 --> 00:04:58,200 He was approximately six feet or 1.83 meters tall. 103 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:04,080 He was 170 pounds, had brown hair, black eyes and olive complexion. 104 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:05,820 Corey, that sounds like you. 105 00:05:05,820 --> 00:05:07,320 Sounds like a very average looking person. 106 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:09,040 It doesn't stand out in any way. 107 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:11,120 Have you seen his picture online at all? 108 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:14,960 Yeah, I pulled him up on Wikipedia and he looks like, I don't know, he looks like something 109 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:19,200 out of Men in Black, like one of the agents or something out of the matrix or something. 110 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:20,200 Just one of the agents. 111 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:21,200 True. 112 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:22,200 Yeah, definitely. 113 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:23,200 Yeah, but very average for sure. 114 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:27,520 While he was waiting for the plane to take off, Cooper lit a cigarette because you could 115 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:31,560 do that back then while you're on in-flight, you could actually smoke cigarettes. 116 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:37,440 He ordered a bourbon and soda on Northwest Airlines flight number 305 and he sat near 117 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:42,280 the back of the plane and didn't really interact with any of the 36 passengers on board this 118 00:05:42,280 --> 00:05:43,280 flight. 119 00:05:43,280 --> 00:05:45,160 I'm just saying this flight was not very full. 120 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:47,200 It only had 36 passengers. 121 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:52,440 Again, nothing really stood out to cause alarm from anybody sitting around him. 122 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:55,400 However, just after 3 p.m. 123 00:05:55,400 --> 00:06:00,240 Cooper got a 23 year old flight attendant's attention and when she approached, he handed 124 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:05,440 her a note and said that he had a bomb in his briefcase and he planned to detonate it 125 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:07,600 if his demands were not met. 126 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,200 He then proceeded to tell her to have a seat next to him. 127 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:11,200 What would you do? 128 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:12,840 Well, you would probably karate chop him. 129 00:06:12,840 --> 00:06:14,400 If I was the flight attendant? 130 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:15,400 Yeah. 131 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:17,040 I mean, it depends on what my job is. 132 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:22,240 If I'm the air marshal, then things are going a little different than what she's doing. 133 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:26,720 But I mean, if you're a 23 year old female flight attendant that pure innocence, then 134 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:30,200 typically you're just going to do what he says and hope he doesn't detonate. 135 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:31,200 Absolutely. 136 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,840 First of all, her job was to pass out drinks and that was about it. 137 00:06:33,840 --> 00:06:34,840 Drinks and snacks. 138 00:06:34,840 --> 00:06:36,240 I know from experience. 139 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:37,240 Not disarmed bombs. 140 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:38,240 Correct. 141 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,240 And fire off terrorists. 142 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:41,240 Correct. 143 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:46,880 Well, before she complied, she actually had enough gumption to challenge Cooper and asked 144 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:47,880 to see the bomb. 145 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:48,880 That's good. 146 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:49,880 Oh, nice. 147 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:50,880 Yeah, no problem here. 148 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:55,800 He opened his briefcase and showed the flight attendant a very intricate setup of what you 149 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,440 would see in something like an old spy movie. 150 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:03,560 There were eight red cylinders that looked like dynamite and they were lined up in two 151 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:04,560 rows. 152 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:06,880 That was a whole lot of wiring. 153 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:12,480 I mean, I don't know how bombs were back in the 70s, but now they're very simple, especially 154 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:13,480 if they're homemade. 155 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:15,760 It's typically pipe bombs and whatnot. 156 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:20,400 They look sketchy, but they don't look as eccentric as what you would see in cheesy 80 157 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:21,400 movies. 158 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:22,400 Yeah. 159 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:24,520 But also, I don't know how they were back in the day. 160 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:27,960 Typically dynamite was a big one then, but if you have dynamite, then you don't need 161 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:29,560 all types of wires and whatnot. 162 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:31,600 Oh, back in the day you wouldn't need the wiring? 163 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:32,600 No. 164 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:36,840 You don't need dynamite and it's already an explosive, you don't need all types of wiring. 165 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:40,360 A lot of the time that wiring is just for show, that realistic. 166 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,240 So, I mean, it could have been a fake bomb. 167 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:43,240 I mean, it could have been real. 168 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:44,240 I don't know. 169 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:45,240 I got you. 170 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:49,360 Well, that was enough to unsettle the flight attendant because she obviously sat down next 171 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:55,600 to him and started following his instructions and Cooper wanted her to write down exactly 172 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:57,000 what he told her. 173 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:02,080 I'm going to say the timeline here, Cory, he didn't have a whole lot of time to do what 174 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:06,560 he wanted to do because the flight between Portland and Seattle is something that I like 175 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:11,400 to call a pedal jumper because back in the day when I was a flight attendant, I actually 176 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,160 flew these routes pretty regularly. 177 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:19,400 And this was just a one hour flight between takeoff and landing. 178 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:21,960 Really you're not in the air for very long. 179 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:27,140 Once you reach that 10,000 feet in altitude, it's almost Cory, like as soon as you get 180 00:08:27,140 --> 00:08:31,720 up in the air, you're at the 10,000 feet and then you're already descending. 181 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:32,880 I did look that up. 182 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:35,980 It was about 37 minutes in flight. 183 00:08:35,980 --> 00:08:37,740 So yeah, that's pretty quick. 184 00:08:37,740 --> 00:08:39,080 It was an up and down flight. 185 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:44,300 Shortly into this flight, the flight attendant delivered the note to the pilots in the cockpit 186 00:08:44,300 --> 00:08:47,480 who immediately contacted the air control tower. 187 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:48,760 Obviously they're being hijacked. 188 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:52,820 And in this note, Cooper demanded a couple of things. 189 00:08:52,820 --> 00:08:58,840 First of all, he wanted $200,000 in $20 increments of unmarked bills. 190 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:00,960 Sounds reasonable for a hijack, right? 191 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:09,040 For our international listeners, that is approximately 268,000 in Canadian money or approximately 192 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,320 164 pounds. 193 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:18,600 In today's currency, that would be equivalent to 1.5 million US dollars, 2 million in Canadian 194 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:22,040 dollars and 1.2 million in pounds. 195 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:26,200 So I always try to give that, Cory, just so you know, because we do have some international 196 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:27,200 listeners out there. 197 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:29,120 Shout out to the UK. 198 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:30,640 Shout out to Canadians. 199 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:34,360 And I know we have much more than that, but that's pretty standard procedure. 200 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:39,800 Cooper's second demand was for the airlines to provide him with four parachutes. 201 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,000 I'm wondering why four parachutes? 202 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:43,000 Four parachutes. 203 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:45,160 Did he have anybody there to help him? 204 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:46,440 I mean, that's the only other reason. 205 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:51,040 I mean, you have your primary and your backup, so there may have been other people. 206 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:52,040 True. 207 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:53,720 No, he was all by himself. 208 00:09:53,720 --> 00:10:00,080 Well, speculation was that he may have intended to take hostages with him because he was flying 209 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,360 solo on this, but that's a great concept. 210 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:06,600 He could have had people strategically placed in the 36 seats that were taken. 211 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,160 How are you going to get four people to willingly jump? 212 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:12,960 I mean, you can maybe hold on to one, maybe two people to force them out of the plane, 213 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,240 but you can't hold on to three people and drag them out of the plane. 214 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,200 I mean, at least one of those person people is going to have to willingly jump. 215 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:19,200 It's true. 216 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,160 Well, I mean, I guess you could push them out, but. 217 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:22,160 Yeah. 218 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:26,360 My thought process is, is that he could have asked for that many parachutes because, you 219 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:28,360 know, he's sabotaging the plane. 220 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:34,560 So they may put a junk parachute in there or a fake parachute, something like that. 221 00:10:34,560 --> 00:10:38,200 So he wanted to make sure maybe that he had enough equipment. 222 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:41,720 So when he was going to take that jump, that he would at least have a working parachute. 223 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:43,080 Does that make sense? 224 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:44,080 Yeah. 225 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,160 Do they keep decoy parachutes in planes like that? 226 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:48,240 I mean, I don't really see a point in that. 227 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:49,920 They didn't have any parachutes at all. 228 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:52,240 You can't really check to see if it's a fake. 229 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:53,240 I wouldn't think. 230 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,440 I mean, I'm not a skydiver, but I mean, it's still packed in there and it has to be packed 231 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:57,440 incorrectly. 232 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:01,640 So you'd have to take the time to unpack it, check it, and then repack it, which take up 233 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:02,640 some time. 234 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:03,640 So that's strange. 235 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:04,640 Absolutely. 236 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:07,600 Well, Cooper was banking on receiving the working equipment, obviously. 237 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:11,760 I mean, you want to if you know you're about to jump out of the plane, but authorities 238 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:15,640 didn't want to risk the lives of any hostages on board. 239 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:19,820 And it took about two hours to coordinate Cooper's demands. 240 00:11:19,820 --> 00:11:25,720 They negotiated the release of those 36 passengers once they reached Seattle, Washington. 241 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:30,360 So they landed, quarried, they got the 36 passengers off the plane. 242 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:35,400 But before they landed, the cockpit told passengers that they needed to burn fuel. 243 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:39,120 They were trying to buy some time before they could land just so that they can get all those 244 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:40,120 demands met. 245 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:42,480 They had to come up with $200,000. 246 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:44,480 They had to come up with those four parachutes. 247 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:50,240 The cockpit told passengers that they needed to burn fuel due to a minor mechanical issue. 248 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:53,920 And of course, they circled Seattle for just a bit before they could land. 249 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:58,080 And once everything was in place, they did land in Seattle. 250 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:03,560 Cooper allowed those 36 passengers off of the plane in exchange for two pilots, one 251 00:12:03,560 --> 00:12:05,680 flight attendant, plus a flight engineer. 252 00:12:05,680 --> 00:12:09,080 And I don't think they had those air marshals back in those days, Corey. 253 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:10,080 No, they didn't. 254 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:11,720 Not until after 9-11, I don't believe. 255 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:12,720 Gotcha. 256 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:18,040 The parachutes and ransom money in unmarked bills were also placed on board as the plane 257 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:20,720 refueled and then they eventually took off. 258 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:22,080 I mean, that's pretty wild. 259 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:24,360 They actually didn't stop him at any... 260 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:25,360 Well, he had the bomb. 261 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:26,360 Yeah. 262 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:29,120 So the passengers didn't even know that they were being held hostage. 263 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:30,120 No, they did not. 264 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:31,120 Wasn't that great though? 265 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:35,280 They did a great job of communicating with the flight crew for sure. 266 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:36,280 Yeah. 267 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:39,560 I mean, could you imagine though getting that news once you're off the plane? 268 00:12:39,560 --> 00:12:44,200 Could you absolutely imagine what was going on and you didn't even know it? 269 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:45,200 Yeah. 270 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:46,200 Oh my God. 271 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:47,200 Ignorance is bliss, I guess. 272 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:48,200 Yeah. 273 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,200 Well, let's talk about the parachutes. 274 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:55,280 Oliver received several standard parachutes that were folded and packed correctly, but 275 00:12:55,280 --> 00:13:01,440 he also received one that was used for flight school instruction and it was sewn shut. 276 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:05,640 I don't know why it would be sewn shut, maybe just for demonstration, but I thought that 277 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:06,880 was interesting. 278 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:11,660 Would he not have inspected at least the outside of those parachutes to see if they were booby 279 00:13:11,660 --> 00:13:13,040 trapped in any way? 280 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,920 Why throw in a sewn up parachute? 281 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:16,920 I don't get it. 282 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:17,920 I don't know. 283 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:20,120 You would think he'd check them at least, but I mean, if he's asking for four, he's 284 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:21,120 not going to do it. 285 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:22,120 Yeah. 286 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:23,120 I don't know. 287 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:26,080 The plane took off, but so did five other aircrafts to follow the airplane that DB Cooper 288 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:27,080 was on. 289 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:33,080 Once they were airborne, Cooper directed the pilots to remain below 10,000 feet in altitude 290 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:35,320 with the stairs attached. 291 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:39,580 And back of the day, Corey, they didn't have those air terminals like we do now where you 292 00:13:39,580 --> 00:13:43,680 just simply go straight out down that walkway and board the plane. 293 00:13:43,680 --> 00:13:48,520 You actually had to get outside and climb a bunch of stairs to get up on the tarmac 294 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:50,640 to get onto the plane itself. 295 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:52,240 You've seen how they do that, right? 296 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:53,240 Yeah. 297 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:54,240 Yeah. 298 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:56,680 I always thought I remember seeing 90s movies and being like, huh, that doesn't make any 299 00:13:56,680 --> 00:13:57,680 sense. 300 00:13:57,680 --> 00:13:59,760 Where's the big terminal? 301 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:05,360 Cooper also told the pilots to fly slower than 200 knots, which in layman terms, I had 302 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:06,360 to go look this up. 303 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:11,520 It was 230 miles per hour or 370 kilometers per hour. 304 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:17,760 And for inquiring minds like me, the average speed today of a commercial airplane is somewhere 305 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:27,320 around 547 to 575 miles per hour or 880 to 926 kilometers per hour, depending on the 306 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:29,040 distance that you are going. 307 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:34,180 So yeah, Corey, I actually have to look these kinds of things up just for my own inquiring 308 00:14:34,180 --> 00:14:35,800 mind and hopefully that's helpful. 309 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:36,800 Yeah. 310 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:37,800 Yeah. 311 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:38,800 I like that. 312 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:39,800 It's nice. 313 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:40,800 It's nice little touch. 314 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:41,800 Thanks. 315 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:45,800 Cooper eventually ordered the entire flight crew and not just the pilots into the cockpit 316 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:49,780 and continued to communicate with them on the in-flight telephone system. 317 00:14:49,780 --> 00:14:57,320 He instructed the flight crew to head towards Mexico, which was approximately 2,331 miles 318 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:03,600 or 3,752 kilometers south of Seattle, Washington. 319 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:11,400 However, the plane that they were on was a Boeing 727 and the pilots informed Cooper 320 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:18,800 that they would need to refuel at 1,000 miles or 1,609 kilometers, which placed them somewhere 321 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:22,240 around Reno, Nevada, if that was going to take place. 322 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,280 And Corey, that's one of the reasons it's a smaller airplane. 323 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:29,240 And that's why I call it a puddle jumper because they just don't have a lot of fuel in that 324 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:30,240 lane. 325 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:36,160 Communications between the cockpit and cabin stopped abruptly about 20 minutes into this 326 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:37,160 flight. 327 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:38,800 So they didn't even make it to Reno. 328 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:40,860 And this was around eight o'clock PM. 329 00:15:40,860 --> 00:15:44,580 The pilots then noticed a change in the cabin's air pressure. 330 00:15:44,580 --> 00:15:49,600 And when one of the flight crew members came out to inspect, they saw that the back hatch 331 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,600 of the airplane was wide open. 332 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:57,680 Cooper had just jumped out from the back of the aircraft, taking his ransom note with 333 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:01,000 him along with two of the four parachutes. 334 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:05,280 One of these parachutes, Corey, was that instructional one that had been sewn shut. 335 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:06,640 Isn't that crazy? 336 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:12,000 Yeah, so I'm assuming that he got very lucky the very first time when they landed that 337 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:15,720 they didn't have a tactical team planned as soon as they landed because of how I would 338 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:16,720 think they do it now. 339 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:20,080 Because they have teams that are on standby constantly at every airport, especially the 340 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:21,480 bigger ones. 341 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:25,120 So he probably was pretty grateful for that and said, I'm not taking my risk anymore. 342 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:27,960 I mean, I'm close enough to where I want to be. 343 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,520 Let's just jump out because I already got lucky once. 344 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:36,000 I guess he took that ransom note so they wouldn't have his handwriting to compare later on. 345 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:37,920 Oh, yeah, true. 346 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:39,560 But do you know what he left behind? 347 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:40,840 A bomb? 348 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:42,400 He left his tie. 349 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:43,400 It was a clip-on. 350 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:46,240 He ripped that off, threw it onto the plane before he jumped out. 351 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:50,280 I guess he didn't want it flapping in his face as he was descending. 352 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:51,280 Who knows? 353 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:54,040 Yeah, well, they didn't have, I would say, I mean, he could have like hair follicles or 354 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:57,560 skin or something on there, but I don't think they had the DNA technology back then to be 355 00:16:57,560 --> 00:16:58,560 able to connect. 356 00:16:58,560 --> 00:16:59,560 Yeah, so. 357 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:00,560 They did not. 358 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:04,320 But I am actually going to talk about DNA in just a little bit because there was something 359 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:07,120 on that tie and I'll get back to that in just a minute. 360 00:17:07,120 --> 00:17:08,920 But he had jumped out of the plane. 361 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:10,920 Getting ahead of myself, sorry. 362 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:12,200 No, that's okay. 363 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:17,680 When Cooper did jump from the plane, he had attached the ransom money to one of the cords 364 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:21,760 on that extra parachute that he had with him and jumped. 365 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:23,460 So he had the one parachute. 366 00:17:23,460 --> 00:17:28,160 He had the extra parachute that he had attached the money to and out he went. 367 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:29,160 And do you know what? 368 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:36,040 The five planes behind him on that Northwest flight, not one pilot saw him jump out of 369 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:37,040 that airplane. 370 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:39,680 I mean, it was after eight o'clock at this point in time. 371 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:40,680 So it was pitch black. 372 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:44,640 And, you know, they obviously didn't have all the technology that they have today, but 373 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,560 not one pilot saw him jump out of that flight. 374 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:52,480 Well, not only is it dark, but they're going to have to have some distance from each other 375 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:53,480 for safety reasons. 376 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:54,480 Oh, yeah. 377 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,960 And then also, I mean, you're not going to be looking for a person to be jumping out 378 00:17:57,960 --> 00:17:58,960 of a plane randomly. 379 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:02,600 They're just going to be watching the plane and see him and that in the darkness, they're 380 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:04,200 just not going to see him. 381 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:05,200 Very true. 382 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:09,200 So there are some theories and speculations behind DB Cooper. 383 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:10,880 I'll go through those. 384 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:16,040 Initial theories about DB Cooper started with the belief that he could have had military 385 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:22,000 background and was possibly a paratrooper, but he didn't really take the necessary precautions 386 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,540 that someone would if they were experienced. 387 00:18:25,540 --> 00:18:31,460 We had talked about him being in that business suit, so he had loafers on a suit and tie. 388 00:18:31,460 --> 00:18:35,520 If he were really experienced, I think you know this, Corey, he would have had the proper 389 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:37,800 equipment to prepare for the jump. 390 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:43,240 Like you see when people jump out of airplanes, they usually have that thick bodysuit on boots, 391 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:45,400 helmet, goggles, all that stuff. 392 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:47,400 I'm not really sure what he was thinking. 393 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:51,560 Yeah, but if he's carrying all that and that's going to start sending off some red flags, 394 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:55,340 that's not really typical stuff that you bring on a plane unless you plan on jumping off 395 00:18:55,340 --> 00:18:56,340 of it. 396 00:18:56,340 --> 00:19:00,560 True, but he only had a briefcase, so he could have also had a suitcase with that stuff in 397 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:01,560 it. 398 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,640 Yeah, but I mean, he's got that big cartoon bomb in there, so how's he going to fit all 399 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:07,600 that equipment in there with that giant cartoon bomb? 400 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:08,920 True. 401 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,480 Maybe he was only allowed one take on. 402 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:12,880 You know how they do that these days? 403 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:14,600 He would have had to check the other stuff. 404 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:18,280 Yeah, he's probably just picking and choosing what's worth taking. 405 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:21,520 Other people believe that he did not survive this jump. 406 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:26,280 One of the parachutes that Cooper selected could not be steered, so there was no telling 407 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,060 what terrain he would have landed in. 408 00:19:28,060 --> 00:19:34,160 The area where authorities believe he could have landed was known to be very heavily wooded. 409 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:38,720 Imagine jumping out of the airplane quarry in the dark, not being able to steer your 410 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:43,220 parachute and not even being able to see the terrain below you. 411 00:19:43,220 --> 00:19:47,220 That would be tough, especially if he landed in trees because we just don't know where 412 00:19:47,220 --> 00:19:48,640 he ended up. 413 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:49,640 Yeah. 414 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:55,120 The weather was also pretty rough quarry and Cooper did not take this into consideration. 415 00:19:55,120 --> 00:20:01,760 He didn't do his homework on the weather because on the night of November 24th, 1971, he jumped 416 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:05,680 from the plane into a heavy rainstorm and snowfall. 417 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:11,320 The clouds were very thick and hovered somewhere around 5,000 feet. 418 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:15,440 And we know the altitude that planes get up to is 10,000 feet. 419 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:20,920 Fox weather data from that day showed that it was likely that Cooper would have landed 420 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:25,040 in the Stampede Pass, which is located near Washington state. 421 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:30,000 Stampede Pass at the time was currently under a pretty good snowstorm. 422 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:34,840 The night that he had jumped out of the plane, it started off with four inches of snow, but 423 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:39,660 ended up after four days with an accumulation of 27 inches. 424 00:20:39,660 --> 00:20:41,380 That is a lot of snow. 425 00:20:41,380 --> 00:20:47,120 If Cooper landed at lower elevations, so not in the Stampede Pass, he would have encountered 426 00:20:47,120 --> 00:20:48,840 that heavy rainfall. 427 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:54,240 So either way, he would have been trenched, not to mention it was November in the Midwest 428 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:57,620 and he would have endured some pretty frigid temperatures. 429 00:20:57,620 --> 00:21:03,600 So with all he's wearing, a trench coat and loafers, I would like to say, I don't think 430 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,200 he could make it through the night. 431 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,200 He would get hypothermia. 432 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:08,200 Absolutely. 433 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:13,160 And again, I've seen some pretty crazy people survive the night in some pretty crazy situations. 434 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,440 I didn't think you were going to make it personally, but they do. 435 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:16,520 So never know. 436 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:18,960 But chances are not on his side for sure. 437 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,080 That's pretty harsh, especially in November. 438 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,560 Yeah, November, because there's a lot of snowfall. 439 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:29,880 I was up in Oregon just this past summer and I could see the mountains in the distance 440 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:31,640 and they were white snow caps. 441 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:33,560 What state were they in at that time? 442 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:39,680 They were traveling between Portland, Oregon, and they were making their way down to Mexico. 443 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:45,200 I would say that where he jumped was somewhere around Washington state or Oregon. 444 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:46,440 He was along that border. 445 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,760 Unless he's Bear Grylls, I don't think he's making it through the night. 446 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:55,280 Not only that, but as he descended when he jumped out of the airplane, experts calculated 447 00:21:55,280 --> 00:22:01,820 that the winds equaled somewhere around 200 miles an hour or 322 kilometers per hour beating 448 00:22:01,820 --> 00:22:03,480 against him as he jumped. 449 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:04,480 That's a lot. 450 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:05,480 Yeah, for sure. 451 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,880 I mean, determined minds will get through a lot. 452 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:09,400 Yeah, they will for sure. 453 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:14,520 But I'm thinking like hurricane weather because even winds at 45 miles an hour are pretty 454 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:15,520 intense. 455 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:21,440 We're going to jump forward to 1980 because during that time, an eight-year-old boy was 456 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,000 playing outside, doing what boys do. 457 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:28,380 I know you're going back to those days, Cory, whatever you were doing back in the days. 458 00:22:28,380 --> 00:22:33,480 He was digging along the sand of the Columbia River in the town of Tina, which was just 459 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,520 north of Portland, Oregon. 460 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,940 That's where I'm telling you I saw the snow cap mountains in July. 461 00:22:38,940 --> 00:22:46,080 The boy happened upon a package of very old weathered and rotting $20 bills containing 462 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,160 $5,800 US dollars in it. 463 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:54,640 The serial numbers on those bills matched the ransom money that Cooper demanded back 464 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,600 in 1971. 465 00:22:56,600 --> 00:23:01,480 This was nine years later, Cory, that this little boy came upon that money stash. 466 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:02,480 How interesting. 467 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:03,480 Lucky fun. 468 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:04,480 Yeah, for sure. 469 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:05,680 Well, here's a cool fact. 470 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:11,920 After six years, the boy was allowed to keep $2,760 of that ransom money. 471 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:19,520 Back in 2008, when he was around 36 years old, he sold 15 of those $20 bills at an auction 472 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:30,680 and earned $37,433 US dollars or $50,000 Canadian or 30.7 thousand pounds for this sale. 473 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:31,920 So I thought that was pretty cool. 474 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:33,400 I wonder who's got that now. 475 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:34,400 Wow. 476 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:35,400 Yeah, that's awesome. 477 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:36,480 I know, right? 478 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:44,720 The rest of the money went to Northwest Airlines Insurance Company and the FBI kept $280 US 479 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:46,680 dollars pretty much for evidence. 480 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:50,280 They wanted to keep that on file, so they didn't really keep very much. 481 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:54,200 Half of it went to the boy, a little bit went to the airlines, and then the rest of it they 482 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:55,200 kept for evidence. 483 00:23:55,200 --> 00:24:02,120 Well, to this day, the other $194,000 US dollars has never been recovered. 484 00:24:02,120 --> 00:24:03,220 So what do you think? 485 00:24:03,220 --> 00:24:06,680 If he did survive, they were unmarked bills. 486 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:11,440 So if he spent $20 here, $20 there, do you really think they're going to be able to keep 487 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:12,440 up with that? 488 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:13,440 No, especially in 1980. 489 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:17,320 They're not going to really track it like they would be able to today. 490 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:21,280 Cash, that's why a lot of criminals like to spend cash because you can't track it. 491 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:25,000 It's not like a credit card where they can see everywhere you've gone and purchased. 492 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:26,000 So true. 493 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:27,000 So true. 494 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,440 Except for if you go to the ATM and get caught on camera. 495 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:30,440 Yeah. 496 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:31,440 All right. 497 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:35,680 I had mentioned, we know back in 1971, there was not a lot of DNA. 498 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:42,400 Well, DNA was on certain materials, but they weren't able to examine it the way they are 499 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:43,400 today. 500 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:44,400 So, J.C. 501 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,980 Cooper did leave some clues behind on that plane. 502 00:24:46,980 --> 00:24:51,480 And I had mentioned the black tie that he had just ripped off before he jumped. 503 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,280 That tie was purchased from J.C. 504 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:59,840 Penney's and it did contain DNA evidence, which I thought was really interesting because 505 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:07,080 there was some kind of material on that tie and it was like a specific type of metal that 506 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:11,440 I'm going to talk to you in just a bit about that because I'm going to give you some ideas 507 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:15,840 on some of the suspects and it'll link towards that metal that was left on there. 508 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,600 But secondly, I had told you that J.B. 509 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,800 Cooper had lit up a cigarette before the flight. 510 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:27,360 So he actually was a smoker and he left several cigarette butts behind that obviously would 511 00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:28,920 carry DNA. 512 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:34,560 But at some point in time, Corey, they lost the butts and they've never been able to retrieve 513 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:35,560 them. 514 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:36,560 Isn't that crazy? 515 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:37,560 Wow. 516 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,600 They were given a gift and they threw it away. 517 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:41,600 Yeah. 518 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:42,600 Oh my gosh. 519 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:43,600 All right. 520 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,040 Let's talk about some suspects here. 521 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:52,560 One of the suspects high on the FBI's list included a man named Richard Floyd McCoy and 522 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:59,400 he had been arrested under very similar circumstances less than five months after the D.B. 523 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:00,840 Cooper incident. 524 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:07,740 On April 7th, 1972, McCoy had traveled under a fake name, just like Cooper did. 525 00:26:07,740 --> 00:26:15,060 He boarded a Boeing 727 flight, just like Cooper did, but he went to Newark, New Jersey and 526 00:26:15,060 --> 00:26:17,780 headed towards Los Angeles, California. 527 00:26:17,780 --> 00:26:18,780 Like D.B. 528 00:26:18,780 --> 00:26:25,440 Cooper, McCoy handed a flight attendant a note demanding $500,000 this time plus four 529 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:26,920 parachutes. 530 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:31,760 The note also stated that if his demands were not met, he would bomb the plane. 531 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,680 Obviously, Corey, this sounds exactly like what D.B. 532 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:35,680 Cooper did. 533 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:37,920 I mean, to me, it sounds a little bit like a copycat. 534 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,280 What do you think? 535 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:40,760 That's exactly what I was going to say. 536 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:44,480 I don't know why you would want to test your luck because he knows he was lucky. 537 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:48,640 I think that the reason why he jumped off the plane in the first place was because it 538 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:53,760 was his last resort and I don't think he would automatically take his last resort again because 539 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:59,080 had he survived it, yeah, he's like, well, I just survived nature for however long. 540 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,760 I survived getting possibly raided. 541 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,320 I don't want to push that again. 542 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:08,320 I don't see why he would do the same exact plan because clearly it didn't exactly pan 543 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:09,320 out the first time. 544 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:10,320 Yeah. 545 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,160 He's not going to say, oh yeah, this worked once. 546 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:13,160 Let's try it again. 547 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:14,160 Yeah. 548 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:20,320 Based on eyewitnesses physical description of McCoy, the copycat, we'll call him a copycat, 549 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:21,400 he didn't match D.B. 550 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:27,680 Cooper, so police pretty much dropped him pretty quickly off of the suspect list. 551 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:35,080 However, McCoy was eventually caught, charged and convicted of air piracy and given 45 years 552 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:36,440 in prison for that. 553 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:37,440 Yeah. 554 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:38,440 I guess we know what D.B. 555 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:39,920 Cooper would have faced too, right? 556 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:40,920 Yeah. 557 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:41,920 I guess the same things. 558 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:49,880 On August 10th, 1974, McCoy hijacked a garbage truck inside the prison grounds and made an 559 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:50,880 escape. 560 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:52,760 So he was just a rat. 561 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:53,760 Yeah. 562 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:58,600 And then two months later he was tracked down in Virginia and ended up dying in a police 563 00:27:58,600 --> 00:27:59,600 shootout. 564 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,400 So they tracked him down and there he went. 565 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,360 At least he can't potentially hurt more people. 566 00:28:03,360 --> 00:28:05,000 Yeah, for sure. 567 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:10,620 Suspect number two, there was a man named Robert Rackstraw who was also considered a 568 00:28:10,620 --> 00:28:16,960 suspect all the way until his death of a heart condition in July of 2019. 569 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,120 So really not that long ago, Cory. 570 00:28:19,120 --> 00:28:20,120 Yeah. 571 00:28:20,120 --> 00:28:27,560 In the news week, Rackstraw was a quote, former army paratrooper and participated in top tier 572 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:33,760 military training to successfully hijack and parachute out of an airplane, unquote. 573 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,760 Does that sound something like the Green Beret? 574 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:36,920 Is that something they would do? 575 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:37,920 Do you know? 576 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:38,920 Yeah. 577 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,200 Green Berets do a lot of skydiving, but they're experienced. 578 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:42,920 If they're saying that this guy, that D.B. 579 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,680 Cooper wasn't experienced, then it's not quite the same. 580 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:46,680 Gotcha. 581 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:47,680 But I mean, it's possible. 582 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:48,680 Mm-hmm. 583 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:49,680 Okay. 584 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:54,720 So we watched Rackstraw carefully because he actually had a little bit of a sketchy 585 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:55,760 past. 586 00:28:55,760 --> 00:29:01,240 He was initially charged with his stepfather's murder, but was acquitted in a jury trial. 587 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:07,980 He also attempted to fake his own death by crashing a stolen airplane way back in 1978. 588 00:29:07,980 --> 00:29:12,280 And he was arrested for this incident and spent two years in prison for that. 589 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:13,840 Yeah, he was a little sketchy. 590 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:14,840 Yeah. 591 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,880 This guy seems a little bit more reasonable to be the suspect because he does have the 592 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:19,880 experience of parachuting. 593 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:24,360 And there are some special operations guys that are still pretty sketchy people that 594 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,320 get out and they can do some bad things. 595 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,280 Are they made to look that way? 596 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:34,360 Is that a persona that they are trying to achieve by looking sketchy or are they just 597 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:35,360 sketchy? 598 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:36,360 It just, I mean, it depends on the person. 599 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:40,120 I mean, most of them are going to be good people doing it for the right reasons, just 600 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:41,880 like any other profession. 601 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:48,640 But some people will use their skills for the wrong reasons, especially if they've got 602 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:53,920 that past prior to joining or if they've got PTSD from their time in service. 603 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:54,920 Yeah, that's true. 604 00:29:54,920 --> 00:30:00,080 Because a lot of them will get out and their only skill is that job that they've been doing 605 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:01,400 for however long. 606 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,160 So they'll just go do a contracting, which contracting pays a lot better. 607 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:09,120 But then there's also some, there's not as many morals behind it as there are as serving 608 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:13,040 in the actual military, because you can definitely work for some sketchy people. 609 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:14,040 Okay. 610 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,040 I'm so glad you're on this podcast with me. 611 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,200 I'm learning a lot. 612 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:24,480 Well the FBI officially closed this case in 2016 because they simply did not have enough 613 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,560 evidence to proceed. 614 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:32,280 Like I mentioned, this is the longest and most extensive criminal case ever investigated 615 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:33,760 in US history. 616 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:39,400 And the FBI feels that they just did not have enough leads to continue moving forward. 617 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:44,680 However, that does not mean that other agencies are not still investigating this. 618 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:45,680 So that's kind of cool. 619 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:50,840 I would say private companies, private agencies may be still trying to investigate. 620 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:51,840 Yeah. 621 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:53,440 So the FBI closed it out? 622 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:54,440 Yeah. 623 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:55,440 Yeah, it's probably some private ones. 624 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,160 Yeah, the FBI's case is closed. 625 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:02,440 Now let's go back to that necktie that I had mentioned that DB Cooper was wearing because 626 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,920 I'm going to talk about the DNA here. 627 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:11,480 According to a press conference on November 11th, 2022, Eric Ulyss, known for investigative 628 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:19,080 journalism on the history and discovery channels, he analyzed the lab reports from 2017 when 629 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,400 they were looking at DB Cooper's tie. 630 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:29,040 And he saw that there were those unique metal particles that I had mentioned, like titanium 631 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:36,060 specifically, that was linked to a very specific department inside a Pennsylvania metal manufacturing 632 00:31:36,060 --> 00:31:40,120 plant that was in operation back in 1971. 633 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:48,000 Ulyss stated that an employee from that plant named Vince Peterson matched DB Cooper's description. 634 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:55,040 Peterson was identified as one of eight researchers who worked with titanium found on DB Cooper's 635 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:56,440 tie. 636 00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:03,300 And he was a frequent flyer who traveled regularly to Portland, Oregon and Washington state back 637 00:32:03,300 --> 00:32:05,180 in the seventies. 638 00:32:05,180 --> 00:32:10,940 Researchers were required back in 1971 to wear ties to work, which could explain why 639 00:32:10,940 --> 00:32:16,720 titanium was found on Cooper's tie as he left it behind when he jumped out of the plane. 640 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:23,160 Unfortunately though, Peterson died in 2002 and cannot be linked to DB Cooper at this 641 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:24,160 time. 642 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:25,160 Okay. 643 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:31,280 His son adamantly denies that Peterson is DB Cooper, although he bore a striking resemblance 644 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,560 to those sketches that you see in articles today. 645 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,600 Well, that certainly makes things interesting. 646 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,040 It sure does. 647 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:40,960 That all kind of adds up. 648 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,840 And of course the son's going to deny it because somebody wants to admit to even to themselves 649 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,440 that their parent is a criminal. 650 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:48,440 No, true. 651 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,160 But he's a pretty cool criminal actually. 652 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:52,160 I mean, yeah, it's kind of cool. 653 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:53,160 I'm not going to lie. 654 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,400 I don't know if I'd admit it or not. 655 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:56,560 It's pretty cool. 656 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:57,560 Yeah. 657 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,120 My dad was DB Cooper. 658 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:01,560 I would market that. 659 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,040 I would go do interviews. 660 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,680 Just get as much money as you can out of it. 661 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:07,680 Absolutely. 662 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,120 Oh, wait, you mean exploit it? 663 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:11,120 Yeah. 664 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:18,040 Multiple other suspects who made deathbed confessions claimed to be DB Cooper. 665 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:23,840 Of course, these people all had to be investigated and each one was ruled out for one reason 666 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:25,000 or another. 667 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:30,400 Many other former military veterans were also placed on the suspect list because of the 668 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:34,160 conversations that they held with family members. 669 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:39,360 And the list, Cory, goes on and on and on because you know that they would have to invest 670 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,160 everybody under this. 671 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,520 But yeah, to this day, DB Cooper remains a mystery. 672 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:45,520 Very interesting. 673 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:50,280 Yeah, but I could see a lot of people claiming to be him because that actually happens a 674 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:56,000 decent amount with those big stories that are in the news and it's a mystery and people 675 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,120 want the attention. 676 00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,680 It's crazy that people will actually admit to something they didn't do just for that 677 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:01,680 attention. 678 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:02,680 Yeah. 679 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:03,680 Wild. 680 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:04,680 I know and that is crazy. 681 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:09,480 Well, I wanted to give a couple closing thoughts here, which I found interesting. 682 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:14,820 Following DB Cooper's hijacking, the Federal Aviation Administration, also known as the 683 00:34:14,820 --> 00:34:24,480 FAA, implemented Cooper Vane standards, making it a requirement that all Boeing 727s install 684 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:30,400 a small latch on the outside of their airplanes where those rear stairs are at. 685 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:34,800 And I do remember when I worked on the plane, I would always hear them closing that latch 686 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,480 and you know, you just kind of heard them doing their thing back there at the back of 687 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:39,480 the latch. 688 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,440 So it's kind of interesting because I can envision that. 689 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:47,640 An annual CooperCon event is held in Vancouver, Washington every year. 690 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:53,400 And this is a two day festival, sort of like CrimeCon or Comic Con held every year, but 691 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,680 it's specifically dedicated solely to DB Cooper. 692 00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,400 How about that? 693 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:04,840 It draws in crowds of people to listen to keynote speakers, participate in escape rooms 694 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:09,720 and watch a movie on DB Cooper himself, plus go on a road tour. 695 00:35:09,720 --> 00:35:11,320 So I thought that was kind of interesting. 696 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:17,760 If DB Cooper is still alive today, he would be in his 90s if the age calculations were 697 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,720 correct back in 1971 when they mentioned he was in his mid 40s. 698 00:35:21,720 --> 00:35:24,200 Man, what a story for your grandkids. 699 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:25,200 I know, right? 700 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:26,200 Okay, Corey. 701 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:32,920 Well, that's the story of DB Cooper, mystery man, crime hero, and probably one of the most 702 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:34,960 wanted men in America. 703 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:40,080 We would love to receive feedback from our listeners on this story line and any of our 704 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:41,580 other episodes. 705 00:35:41,580 --> 00:35:48,240 So be sure to DM us on Instagram or send us an email at DyingToBeFound at gmail.com. 706 00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:51,080 And there you have it, Corey, the story of DB Cooper. 707 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:52,080 Awesome. 708 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:53,080 Yeah, thanks for having me. 709 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:54,080 It's a lot of fun. 710 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:55,760 I heard you had something called a teachable moment. 711 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:56,760 Yeah. 712 00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:57,760 Do you want to hear it? 713 00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:58,760 Of course. 714 00:35:58,760 --> 00:35:59,760 What did you learn today? 715 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:00,760 Teachable moment. 716 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:01,760 Dress accordingly. 717 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:06,040 I live in Georgia and Corey, you know how extreme the heat gets here. 718 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:07,840 It gets really hot. 719 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:13,000 And I do remember one time I flew from Atlanta to Chicago, Illinois. 720 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:14,720 And what's the nickname for that town? 721 00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:15,720 Do you know? 722 00:36:15,720 --> 00:36:16,720 Windy City? 723 00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:17,720 Yeah. 724 00:36:17,720 --> 00:36:21,280 It was around November that I went and I had not packed the right clothes. 725 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:26,400 I ended up having to go buy a sweater because even for me, it was really cold in that city 726 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:27,400 that day. 727 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:28,960 So teachable moment. 728 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:33,320 When you know you're traveling, check the temperatures so that you're prepared and pack 729 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:34,360 accordingly. 730 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:35,360 So there you go. 731 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:36,360 My teachable moment. 732 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:37,360 Short and sweet. 733 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:38,360 Yeah. 734 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:39,360 I mean, I completely agree with that. 735 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:43,080 What I do, I keep thick jackets in my truck at all times because I mean, you never know 736 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,120 if I get stranded somewhere. 737 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,300 I don't want to be just in a t-shirt in my truck. 738 00:36:47,300 --> 00:36:51,240 So I always keep, yeah, always keep at least one jacket in there. 739 00:36:51,240 --> 00:36:55,600 I recently, over the last couple months, started putting a big thick blanket in there too. 740 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:56,600 Oh, you're smart. 741 00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:57,600 Which has been nice. 742 00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:01,800 It's helpful for emergencies in case I get stranded again, then I got a blanket for the 743 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:02,800 night. 744 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,520 And then also whenever I take Katie home, it's cold. 745 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,640 She's got something to throw over her until the truck warms up. 746 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,400 Yeah, that's true. 747 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:10,400 All right. 748 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,760 So we have our first episode under our belts. 749 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:14,760 What do you think? 750 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:15,760 Yeah, that was fun. 751 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:16,760 Good. 752 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:17,760 So we'll be back. 753 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:18,760 Yeah. 754 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:19,760 You'll be back for the rotation. 755 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:20,760 Good. 756 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:21,760 All right, Corey. 757 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,640 Well, that is it. 758 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,560 And to our listeners, thanks for listening. 759 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,400 We would love for you to give us a five star rating. 760 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,480 That really helps to boost us in the rankings. 761 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,060 And there you go. 762 00:37:34,060 --> 00:37:35,760 That is DB Cooper. 763 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,340 And thanks for listening. 764 00:37:37,340 --> 00:37:39,200 We will be back next week. 765 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:40,640 See y'all later. 766 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,920 Thanks for listening to Dying to be Found. 767 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:47,960 Before we go, we would love for you to leave a review on your favorite podcast platform. 768 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:53,640 Be sure to follow us on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, and Pinterest at Dying to be Found. 769 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:59,520 You can access our website, email, social media, and storyline request form by clicking 770 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,300 on our Linktree account found in our show notes. 771 00:38:02,300 --> 00:38:07,800 If you like our episodes, consider buying us a coffee at buymeacoffee.com slash Dying 772 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,060 to be Found, spelled just like you see it on our logo. 773 00:38:11,060 --> 00:38:15,640 Feel free to message us on Instagram and let us know how we're doing, or if you'd like a 774 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:16,640 sticker. 775 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:21,200 With that, be sure to check us out every Thursday wherever you get your podcasts. 776 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:41,640 We will talk to you all next week.