1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,100 Hi everyone, this is Deb from Dying to be Found. 2 00:00:03,100 --> 00:00:12,340 Before we get started, I just wanted to say that episodes contain disturbing discussions on harmful acts and crimes against animals and or humankind. 3 00:00:12,340 --> 00:00:18,600 Recordings are not intended for young or sensitive audiences due to the content nature of this podcast. 4 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,240 Listener discretion is strongly advised. 5 00:00:23,860 --> 00:00:26,060 Hi everyone, this is Deb. 6 00:00:26,060 --> 00:00:27,140 And I'm Shelby. 7 00:00:27,140 --> 00:00:31,240 And welcome to episode number 47 of Dying to be Found. 8 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:34,840 As always, thanks for being here with us today, Shelby. 9 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:35,640 Guess what? 10 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:36,240 What's that? 11 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:45,400 We just reached a major milestone and I wanted to thank all of our listeners who downloaded 10,000 of our episodes. 12 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:47,040 So a big hurrah. 13 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:48,740 Wow. 14 00:00:48,740 --> 00:00:50,140 Thank you so much. 15 00:00:50,140 --> 00:00:51,240 Can you believe it? 16 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:52,440 10,000. 17 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:55,040 No, that is awesome. 18 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:56,340 Yeah, we're getting there. 19 00:00:56,340 --> 00:01:02,940 I just about spent all of my Christmas break putting together some quality time just to get season two ready. 20 00:01:02,940 --> 00:01:11,140 And if you tuned into our last episode number 46, we made a big announcement on some of those changes, but that's not all. 21 00:01:11,140 --> 00:01:15,940 Keep watching on social media and you will continue to see those changes. 22 00:01:15,940 --> 00:01:19,440 It's like our little gift to you that just keeps on giving. 23 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:20,340 Absolutely. 24 00:01:20,340 --> 00:01:21,540 I'm so excited. 25 00:01:21,540 --> 00:01:22,340 Yeah. 26 00:01:22,340 --> 00:01:24,740 So Shelby, happy New Year to you. 27 00:01:24,740 --> 00:01:26,240 I hope you had a great Christmas. 28 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:37,340 I mean, mother to daughter, I know we've talked, but I heard that you heeded my warning from our last episode, took a little advice to heart, and you went out and got a little home security. 29 00:01:37,340 --> 00:01:38,440 I did. 30 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:40,540 First of all, happy New Year to you. 31 00:01:40,540 --> 00:01:41,440 And I did. 32 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:46,840 I got a very small home security system. 33 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:49,240 She is about two pounds. 34 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:53,240 She is a black and gold Yorkie and I am in love. 35 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:54,540 Oh. 36 00:01:54,540 --> 00:01:56,340 She looks like a little teddy bear. 37 00:01:56,340 --> 00:01:57,740 Oh, what'd you name her? 38 00:01:57,740 --> 00:01:59,240 Her name is Holly. 39 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:01,340 Oh, Holly for Christmas. 40 00:02:01,340 --> 00:02:03,640 You know, I almost named you Holly. 41 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:04,540 I do. 42 00:02:04,540 --> 00:02:08,140 That's partly why I fell in love with that name because I do. 43 00:02:08,140 --> 00:02:09,340 I love the name Holly. 44 00:02:09,340 --> 00:02:10,740 That is a great name. 45 00:02:10,740 --> 00:02:11,840 Oh, I know. 46 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,940 And you all she is so so cute. 47 00:02:14,940 --> 00:02:21,640 Well, I'm so excited for you because everybody needs an animal to snuggle up to. 48 00:02:21,640 --> 00:02:26,340 It's kind of like our own little animal therapy and I love my dogs. 49 00:02:26,340 --> 00:02:27,840 You know that I sure do. 50 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:31,240 So I have a question for you as always. 51 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:35,540 I was going to say you always have a question for me and I always say I have an answer for 52 00:02:35,540 --> 00:02:38,240 you. 53 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:42,840 What are your thoughts on those apps where you can add a circle of friends or family 54 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,240 so that they know your location and where you're at? 55 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:49,840 I love them just because I found them to be fairly useful. 56 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:54,040 Not only when you go on long trips so your family knows where you're at or if anything 57 00:02:54,040 --> 00:03:00,340 happens, but there's been instances where my daughter was done with cheerleading practice 58 00:03:00,340 --> 00:03:05,440 and they have a bus that shuttles them from the county out into town. 59 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:07,540 So I don't have to drive as far to pick her up. 60 00:03:07,540 --> 00:03:12,440 You know, I've been having some issues with receiving text messages and she happened to 61 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:16,640 send me a few texts saying she was on the way and I never got them. 62 00:03:16,640 --> 00:03:22,040 Thank goodness I was able to utilize one of those apps and see that she was almost to 63 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:24,240 the school where I pick her up at. 64 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,540 And so in that instance, I actually found it extremely useful. 65 00:03:27,540 --> 00:03:32,840 It is useful because I know that between you and me, there's quite a bit of a difference. 66 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:37,640 So we do travel back and forth and we don't ever have to call or text and say, hey, where 67 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:43,160 are you or what time are you going to be here or how much longer because we can gauge each 68 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:44,840 other's path and where we're at. 69 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:46,540 And I think it's pretty useful. 70 00:03:46,540 --> 00:03:48,640 It's come a long way since GPS. 71 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:49,640 Absolutely. 72 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:50,640 Yeah. 73 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:55,440 So today we're going to talk about the Jamison family out of Ufala, Oklahoma. 74 00:03:55,440 --> 00:04:03,540 On October 8th of 2009, the Jamison family set out to scout a 40 acre tract of land that 75 00:04:03,540 --> 00:04:10,360 was for sale near Red Oak in the San Boy Mountains located in Southeast Oklahoma. 76 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:17,120 I say that for our listeners who may know the area, I do not know much about Oklahoma, 77 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,640 but there's always somebody out there that I feel if you can get the visual, it really 78 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:22,960 helps a lot with the story for sure. 79 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:23,960 Yeah. 80 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:28,080 I don't know much about Oklahoma either, but that is one state I've always wanted to visit. 81 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:29,080 I heard it's beautiful. 82 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:30,080 Me too. 83 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:31,080 Yeah. 84 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:40,600 The Jamison family in Medale, age 44, Sherrilyn Leanne, age 40 and Madison Stormy Jamison, 85 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:45,200 age six, were last seen when the Jamisons told family members that they were planning 86 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:49,840 on moving out to rural Oklahoma for a change of scenery. 87 00:04:49,840 --> 00:04:57,680 Let's move on to the fact that when the Jamisons went out for the day to look at that plot 88 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:04,440 during Shelby and it took authorities eight days to locate the vehicle that they had driven 89 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:11,180 out to the land just after they had gone missing and their white pickup truck was found abandoned 90 00:05:11,180 --> 00:05:15,520 in Latimer County, just about one hour from their house. 91 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:20,260 The truck was locked and several personal items were left inside. 92 00:05:20,260 --> 00:05:25,520 First and foremost, I do give a disclaimer at the very beginning of every episode that 93 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:31,120 sometimes animals are involved and in this case, their dog, Maisie, was locked inside 94 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:32,120 the car. 95 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:37,920 Maisie was found in poor condition, almost starving to death, Shelby, but Maisie did 96 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:38,920 survive. 97 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:39,920 Oh, good. 98 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:40,920 Yeah. 99 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:41,920 Eight days. 100 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:43,480 That's a long time. 101 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:47,000 And you know, for those first several days, the poor thing was probably doing nothing 102 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:48,000 but barking. 103 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:49,000 Yeah. 104 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:53,680 So true because it was a little dog and we do know little dogs have big personalities. 105 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:59,160 It was one of those Lhasa Opso or Shih Tzu mix dogs, really cute little puppy. 106 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:01,800 Oh, at least they found her in time for sure. 107 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:07,400 Now I'm curious though about some of the things that were locked inside the vehicle. 108 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:14,020 First, if the family just went out to scout land and they specifically took their family 109 00:06:14,020 --> 00:06:18,920 dog with them, why would they not have just taken Maisie outside if they were planning 110 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:20,880 to roam the land for a little while? 111 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:25,600 Yeah, you would think they would unless they just didn't plan on being there long. 112 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:29,120 But then again, you said it was 40 acres, so no telling. 113 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:30,120 Yeah. 114 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:34,040 If I were to go out and look at land, I know that 40 acres would be quite, I mean, you're 115 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:37,720 going to be at least outside for about an hour or more. 116 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:44,640 Additional items found inside the vehicle were the Jamison's wallets, Sherlyn's purse, 117 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:53,520 car keys, cell phones, a GPS, plus a little bit of cash, Shelby, in the amount of $32,000. 118 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:55,480 I wish I had that little bit of cash. 119 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:57,600 Yeah, that'd be really nice for retirement. 120 00:06:57,600 --> 00:06:58,880 I'm already thinking ahead. 121 00:06:58,880 --> 00:06:59,880 Right? 122 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:00,880 I know. 123 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:02,160 Yeah, that does sound good. 124 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:09,640 I will say that later during interviews, Bobby's mother does speculate where that $32,000 came 125 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:10,640 from. 126 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:15,560 Shelby had been in a car accident a while back and he did reach a settlement. 127 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:21,160 He was living on disability, but his mother could not be sure where that $32,000 came 128 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:22,160 from. 129 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:24,920 And it was a mystery as to why it was in the car in the first place. 130 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:28,800 So they don't know what the intentions of that money was. 131 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:33,600 To me, Shelby, if it was left in the car, that does not look like a robbery was about 132 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:34,600 to take place. 133 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:36,800 No, I 100% agree. 134 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:42,840 Yeah, and then of course, there's Maisie, why she was left in that car that I had mentioned. 135 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:48,000 Upon the discovery of the family's truck, police immediately began an investigation 136 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:55,600 and brought in over 100 police officers, tracking dogs, and volunteers on horseback to blanket 137 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:56,600 the area. 138 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:58,200 And they also brought in a drone. 139 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:01,100 Yeah, they started a search pretty quickly. 140 00:08:01,100 --> 00:08:07,140 They continued the search over the next eight months and they simply couldn't find any 141 00:08:07,140 --> 00:08:08,140 of the Jamison's. 142 00:08:08,140 --> 00:08:10,480 They just vanished shelves. 143 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:11,480 So sad. 144 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:12,480 Yeah. 145 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:17,840 For the next several months, local authorities worked closely with the FBI, but you know, 146 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:21,120 there were just no leads and the case went cold. 147 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:30,240 However, on November 16th, 2013, Bobby, Sherlyn, and Madison were all discovered in a wooded 148 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:37,240 area by deer hunters about three miles from where their truck had originally been discovered 149 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:40,420 when they first disappeared in 2009. 150 00:08:40,420 --> 00:08:46,080 By the time they were found, they were only skeletal remains and the medical examiner 151 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:50,160 was unable to determine any of the causes of death. 152 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:57,240 The family was found laying side by side in a dense brush and no one appeared to die a 153 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:58,520 violent death. 154 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:04,320 There was, however, a small hole in Bobby's skull that could have been caused by a small 155 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:10,080 pistol, but nothing was conclusive because it appeared that something carnivorous had 156 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,720 done damage to the family's bones. 157 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:19,140 Meaning Shelby, the Jamison's could have been ravaged by rodents, wolves, or something 158 00:09:19,140 --> 00:09:21,640 else that came along after they had died. 159 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:23,080 I just couldn't imagine. 160 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,520 It sounds to me like maybe they had gotten lost. 161 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:27,520 Yeah, they very well could have. 162 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:35,680 I mean, 2009, you certainly had enough technology and such to keep yourself from getting lost, 163 00:09:35,680 --> 00:09:40,680 but 40 acres is a big area, but something that you should know about the area that they 164 00:09:40,680 --> 00:09:41,680 were in. 165 00:09:41,680 --> 00:09:48,160 The Sand Boys Mountains, where they were located, the name Sand Boy is actually the terminology 166 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:51,580 for that is that there are no woods. 167 00:09:51,580 --> 00:09:55,440 Imagine a huge open field that may have a tree line. 168 00:09:55,440 --> 00:10:01,800 So the mountains were really just more open and there wasn't a ton of trees in the area. 169 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:07,020 I mean, yeah, they're going to have clusters, but it's not going to be a full foliage forest. 170 00:10:07,020 --> 00:10:08,520 You know what I mean? 171 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:15,160 Well after the Jamisons were found, several theories came into place, which is that the 172 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:21,320 family, like you said, could have gotten lost in the wilderness or they had died from hypothermia. 173 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:28,520 Now it was October in Oklahoma and temperatures had dropped to somewhere around 40 degrees 174 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:34,120 Fahrenheit or four degrees Celsius, which is just above that freezing mark. 175 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:37,160 And for our listeners, Shelby, I'm going to make it easy on you. 176 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,080 I've done some calculations here. 177 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:45,040 All you have to do is take Fahrenheit temperature that I gave you, subtract 32 and then multiply 178 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,920 by 0.5556. 179 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:48,920 That's all you have to do. 180 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:52,840 So I do try to give the Fahrenheit and Celsius at the same time. 181 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:53,840 It's easy, right? 182 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,240 That is pretty easy, says the person who knows no math. 183 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,040 And I really had to go look this up. 184 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:05,020 To me, the hypothermia Shelby could make sense because of the Jamisons were found side by 185 00:11:05,020 --> 00:11:06,020 side. 186 00:11:06,020 --> 00:11:10,280 Like I had mentioned, they could have been trying to huddle together to keep each other 187 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:11,420 warm. 188 00:11:11,420 --> 00:11:14,360 But then again, why was Maisie not with them? 189 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:16,280 That theory of them getting lost. 190 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:17,280 I do agree. 191 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:20,680 To me, it sounds accurate that they got lost for sure. 192 00:11:20,680 --> 00:11:21,680 Yeah. 193 00:11:21,680 --> 00:11:26,000 And then if the sun goes down, you know, if it was 40 degrees during the day or four degrees 194 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:31,080 Celsius during the day and those temperatures plummet after the sun goes down. 195 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:36,400 Well, additional theories do come into play and family members do not accept that the 196 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:42,760 Jamisons just simply wandered off or even got lost or died of hypothermia. 197 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:48,320 Instead, they believe that foul play was involved based on how the truck was parked when it 198 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:49,580 was discovered. 199 00:11:49,580 --> 00:11:55,100 They believe that the family came upon something that they probably should not have and were 200 00:11:55,100 --> 00:11:58,760 forced to make a stop in a very isolated area. 201 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:04,640 Bob's mother is adamant that the mountains where her son drove to was rampant with meth 202 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:06,820 labs and outlaws. 203 00:12:06,820 --> 00:12:13,260 So meth was pretty prominent in that area and she happens to think that they probably 204 00:12:13,260 --> 00:12:17,400 came across something they might not have needed to at the time. 205 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:19,160 I could somewhat see that. 206 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:21,280 But then again, the money was left behind. 207 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:22,280 So exactly. 208 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:30,920 Well, a plethora of other theories associated with the Jamisons family deaths also occurred, 209 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:36,920 including the supernatural and witchcraft, a drug deal gone wrong, and plain and simple 210 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:38,360 family problems. 211 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:42,780 So I'm actually going to go through each of these theories because I don't think that 212 00:12:42,780 --> 00:12:45,720 any of this needs to be left unturned. 213 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:51,520 On the opposite spectrum though, some speculate that this could have been a murder suicide 214 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:56,980 plot brought on by Sherilyn's depression that was onset by the recent death of her 215 00:12:56,980 --> 00:13:00,100 sister, which I will get into in just a little bit. 216 00:13:00,100 --> 00:13:04,480 So let's talk about the supernatural and witchcraft. 217 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:09,240 Sherilyn's mother voiced concerns that the family got caught in a religious cult, but 218 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:12,740 police did not see any evidence to support this. 219 00:13:12,740 --> 00:13:18,560 And the family pastor was interviewed and said at some point that the family was dealing 220 00:13:18,560 --> 00:13:21,820 with spiritual warfare in the home. 221 00:13:21,820 --> 00:13:23,600 Now let me give you an example here. 222 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:29,940 Bobby and Sherilyn at one point had come to the pastor to discuss spiritual entities 223 00:13:29,940 --> 00:13:33,080 that they believed were occupying their house. 224 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:37,140 In other words, Shelbs, the couple felt that their house was haunted. 225 00:13:37,140 --> 00:13:38,880 I don't even know if we've talked about this. 226 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:40,740 Do you believe in ghosts? 227 00:13:40,740 --> 00:13:41,740 I do. 228 00:13:41,740 --> 00:13:44,960 I think, gosh, what's that lady's name? 229 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:46,440 I love to watch her. 230 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:48,000 She's one of my favorites. 231 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:49,360 The Long Island medium? 232 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:51,220 Yes, I love her. 233 00:13:51,220 --> 00:13:52,600 And then there's another one. 234 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:53,880 I think he's fairly new. 235 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:55,960 His name is Matt Frazier. 236 00:13:55,960 --> 00:14:00,760 I think they actually more so refer to them as spirits. 237 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:01,760 But yes, I do. 238 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:07,440 I've not experienced it myself, but I don't think I necessarily want to, but I believe 239 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:08,440 it. 240 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:11,720 I refer to something else's spirits, but that's another story. 241 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,520 We'll have to talk about that later then. 242 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:21,320 Well, I mentioned to you in past episodes that I've had premonitions and even dreams 243 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:22,960 that have come true. 244 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:28,920 I personally have never encountered a real spirit, nor do I ever wish to. 245 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:30,400 Holy cow. 246 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:35,960 I do not know what I would do, but yeah, that is definitely something I do not ever want 247 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:38,480 to come up against. 248 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:40,480 Do I believe in spirits? 249 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:41,480 Yes. 250 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:46,320 Would I deliberately stay in a presumably haunted house? 251 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:47,320 Never. 252 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:48,320 Would you? 253 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:49,320 No, absolutely not. 254 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:58,160 I 100% would love to, I think, get read, but I don't really have anybody too terribly close 255 00:14:58,160 --> 00:14:59,880 to me that has passed. 256 00:14:59,880 --> 00:15:03,640 So I personally don't think that I would have any spirits around me. 257 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:04,680 That's just me though. 258 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:08,120 Your uncle tells me that we have a ghost cat in the house. 259 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:11,440 I remember hearing that. 260 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:16,280 For our listeners, apparently I have a ghost cat that came when my brother came to visit. 261 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:23,400 He was sleeping in the guest room and he swore that there was a ghost cat in the house. 262 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:26,560 And just this past summer, I was talking with a neighbor. 263 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:32,080 There was a fire at my house before I moved in and apparently a cat died here. 264 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:33,080 Wow. 265 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,720 I don't know if I even told you that. 266 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:38,080 I do remember you telling me that. 267 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:40,200 I forgot about the fire though. 268 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:41,200 Yep. 269 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:42,200 Okay. 270 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:43,200 Back to our story here. 271 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:48,480 I told the pastor that the spirits of family members lived with them and that their daughter 272 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:53,080 Madison was in contact with one of the younger spirits. 273 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:56,200 Some of these spirits even had names, Shelby. 274 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:58,320 Their names were Emily and Michael. 275 00:15:58,320 --> 00:15:59,320 Okay. 276 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:00,720 Let me pause here for just a moment. 277 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:07,200 I know one of our listeners who's probably going to freak out when I say Emily and Michael. 278 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,680 I know you're crapping your pants right now. 279 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:14,280 It's so funny because Emily is my stepsister. 280 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:15,600 And Michael's her boyfriend. 281 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:16,600 So hi Emily. 282 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:17,600 I hope you're listening. 283 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:18,600 That's so crazy. 284 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:19,600 Hi Emily. 285 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:20,600 Hi Michael. 286 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:24,040 We're sending you love right now. 287 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:25,100 Yes we are. 288 00:16:25,100 --> 00:16:27,200 Let me know what you think about this episode afterwards. 289 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:28,200 Yeah. 290 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:29,200 All right. 291 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:34,900 The pastor stated that Bobby Jamison asked him about using silver bullets to extinguish 292 00:16:34,900 --> 00:16:36,920 the entities from their home. 293 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:43,440 And after the family disappeared, police discovered a witch's Bible inside the house, which they 294 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:49,640 discovered that Sherrilyn had bought earlier in time just as a joke to put on her coffee 295 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:50,640 table. 296 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:57,240 Bobby on the other hand was reading a satanic Bible to exercise the property and cryptic 297 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:02,600 messages were written on the side of a steel storage container that the couple had begun 298 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:08,720 packing in preparation for their move because they were dead set on moving out to that property 299 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:10,080 they were looking at. 300 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:11,080 Wow. 301 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:12,080 So pause for just a moment. 302 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:14,620 Shelbs, have you ever seen that movie The Exorcist? 303 00:17:14,620 --> 00:17:16,840 I have not and I don't plan to. 304 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:17,840 Okay. 305 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:18,840 Just asking. 306 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:22,880 So let's move on to theory number two and that would be methamphetamine. 307 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:28,660 I had mentioned earlier that meth was rampant in the areas and that the Jamisons may have 308 00:17:28,660 --> 00:17:34,760 happened upon a meth lab along their path and ultimately paid the price because close 309 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:40,700 friends and family members noted how thin both Bobby and Sherrilyn were, which led them 310 00:17:40,700 --> 00:17:46,280 to believe that the couple was on meth and may have gone in pursuit of drugs. 311 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:51,160 So I don't really know what the behaviors are of people that do that drug. 312 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:55,320 I suppose I could probably look into it, but do you know much about meth? 313 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:56,320 I don't. 314 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:57,320 Yeah. 315 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:04,080 Well, video surveillance outside the Jamisons home documented that while they were packing 316 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:09,400 that storage container, they kept walking back and forth and passing each other in a 317 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:14,020 trance like state and they simply were not talking to each other. 318 00:18:14,020 --> 00:18:19,040 They just went back and forth like robots packing the storage container and apparently 319 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:24,600 they did quite a lot of time doing this without interacting with one another. 320 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:31,160 But I do want to be clear here, police found no evidence of meth or any other drugs on 321 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:33,400 the property when they came to investigate. 322 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:37,520 So I am not saying that they are doing drugs, we're doing drugs. 323 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:39,440 I'm making it very clear. 324 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:41,360 It's just video surveillance. 325 00:18:41,360 --> 00:18:44,240 If you go out to the internet, you will see yourself. 326 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:45,880 You can make your own decisions there. 327 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:46,880 All right. 328 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:49,960 The next theory is family values. 329 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:58,400 Bobby's dad, Bob Sr., apparently had an extremely tumultuous relationship with Bobby Jr. 330 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:04,440 Apparently Bob continuously provided empty promises throughout the years in how he would 331 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:08,680 give Bobby half ownership in a family business. 332 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:15,740 Bob owned a gas station and while Bobby was in high school, he spent a lot of time working 333 00:19:15,740 --> 00:19:20,800 at the gas station helping to keep the business afloat with the understanding that he would 334 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:23,280 benefit from its sale one day. 335 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:25,960 And of course this never happened. 336 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:31,480 Fast forward, Bobby is now in his forties and he has seen nothing coming from this business 337 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:32,740 as of yet. 338 00:19:32,740 --> 00:19:39,400 At one point, the father and son's relationship got so bad that Bobby obtained a restraining 339 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:46,200 order against his own father and Bob threatened to kill Bobby not once, but twice. 340 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:47,200 Wow. 341 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:54,240 Bobby did have an outstanding lawsuit against his father in which he was ordered to receive 342 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,260 a large sum of money. 343 00:19:56,260 --> 00:20:02,600 So some theorize that Bob may have placed a hit on his own son and that may have been 344 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:03,600 what happened. 345 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:04,800 Yeah, that's sad. 346 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:05,800 Yeah. 347 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:12,200 There was a lingering family grudge and some speculate it could have gotten to the turning 348 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,640 point where the Jamisons disappeared. 349 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:16,600 There's really no substance to this. 350 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:20,840 Of course, the police are going to do their investigations as well and they came to the 351 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:21,840 same conclusion. 352 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:23,240 Yeah, for sure. 353 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:29,800 I understand the differences maybe between Bobby and his dad, but if that were to be 354 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:33,240 what happened, then why the grandchild? 355 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:34,240 Why the wife? 356 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,120 Yeah, you're so right. 357 00:20:36,120 --> 00:20:38,560 Let's move on to the next theory. 358 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:44,840 Apparently Sherrilyn was diagnosed with severe depression, which does say contributed to 359 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:46,600 the Jamisons demise. 360 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:49,880 And I had mentioned that Sherrilyn had a sister. 361 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:56,400 Well, Shelby, her sister died from a bee sting that stung her mouth a couple of years earlier 362 00:20:56,400 --> 00:21:00,360 and her sister ended up dying from that bee sting. 363 00:21:00,360 --> 00:21:01,360 Wow. 364 00:21:01,360 --> 00:21:02,360 Was she allergic? 365 00:21:02,360 --> 00:21:07,920 I'm going to say yes, because if she was Shelby and she got stung in the mouth, then if her 366 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:15,240 tongue's going to swell up, it is 100% going to block her air passages. 367 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:19,760 All I can think of is if you're going to get stung in the mouth, was she sipping from a 368 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:20,760 straw? 369 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:22,000 Did she go get a drink? 370 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,720 Maybe they were sitting around the campfire, who knows? 371 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:26,960 And she went to go take a drink from her cup. 372 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:31,080 And that's the only way that I can think that she could have gotten stung. 373 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,760 Apparently Sherrilyn never recovered from her loss. 374 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:35,240 That's so sad. 375 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:38,520 Yeah, that's got to be pretty traumatic. 376 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:44,360 There are two theories stemming from Sherrilyn's actions and interactions with not only the 377 00:21:44,360 --> 00:21:47,240 community, but her own husband. 378 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:52,760 Some say that Sherrilyn had threatened a Native American tenant who was renting out one of 379 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,560 the Jamisons rooms in their house. 380 00:21:55,560 --> 00:22:01,360 And the two had gotten into a racially motivated altercation where Sherrilyn eventually pointed 381 00:22:01,360 --> 00:22:05,080 a gun at the tenant and ordered him off the property. 382 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:09,680 There could have been retaliation because of racially motivated conversations. 383 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:15,040 The police felt that this created racial tension between the two, which may have caused the 384 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:16,760 tenant to retaliate. 385 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:22,800 However, after a thorough investigation, the tenant was released from any wrongdoing and 386 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:26,360 was also able to provide a solid alibi. 387 00:22:26,360 --> 00:22:27,840 Again, dead end. 388 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:29,600 Nothing has come from this. 389 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:30,600 Wow. 390 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:37,480 But secondly, authorities discovered an 11 page letter inside of that vehicle that Sherrilyn 391 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:43,240 had written to her husband, Bobby, which may have prompted Bobby to take his family out 392 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,200 to a remote area to do everybody in. 393 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:50,040 In the letter, Sherrilyn accused Bobby of being a hermit. 394 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:53,440 Plus, she made several references to death. 395 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:58,320 And remember the pistol that I had mentioned that Sherrilyn had pointed at her tenant? 396 00:22:58,320 --> 00:22:59,320 Yes. 397 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:03,160 It was a 22 handgun, which is very, very small. 398 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,080 And Shelby, I don't know if you remember this. 399 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,240 I used to have a 22. 400 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:13,360 And one of your police officer friends at the time told me that a 22 could do damage, 401 00:23:13,360 --> 00:23:16,720 but it would be more like a bee sting than anything else. 402 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:23,480 Yes, 22s do do a lot of damage, but not as much as a bigger gauge shotgun. 403 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,360 You know what I mean? 404 00:23:25,360 --> 00:23:30,000 If any of our listeners have anything to add, please email me because I really don't know 405 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:31,800 much about handguns. 406 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:38,320 But this handgun in particular in the Jamison's case, the 22 did go missing from the family's 407 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:45,080 home and something the medical examiner did mention in his report was that small hole 408 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:51,880 in Bobby's skull could have been caused by a 22 or it could have been from those carnivorous 409 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:57,440 beasts that they feel had ravaged their bodies after they died. 410 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:58,440 Wow. 411 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:03,940 Well, again, the autopsies were inconclusive and like all other theories, Shelby, there's 412 00:24:03,940 --> 00:24:07,100 no substance to a murder suicide plot. 413 00:24:07,100 --> 00:24:10,640 So lots of speculation in this case, just no closure. 414 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:11,640 Right. 415 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:17,440 I mean, they weren't found until six years later, so I'm sure it is hard to determine 416 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:18,440 what happened. 417 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:24,080 Well, this last theory that I'm going to talk about is actually pretty interesting. 418 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:28,880 I'd not heard of this, but oh goodness, I guess this might go along the lines of supernatural 419 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:29,880 as well. 420 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,720 It's called the 35th degree latitude theory. 421 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:33,720 Have you heard of it? 422 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:34,720 I have not. 423 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:36,600 It's a pretty wild theory, Shelby. 424 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:41,900 First of all, there is a big scientific explanation on the coordinates of the earth in relation 425 00:24:41,900 --> 00:24:42,900 to the equator. 426 00:24:42,900 --> 00:24:47,440 I mean, if you're a scientist, you're probably going to go by coordinates. 427 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:51,360 And if you've ever looked at a map, I don't even know if you know how to read a map besides 428 00:24:51,360 --> 00:24:56,760 a GPS, Shelby, do you know how to read a real paper map? 429 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:57,760 I don't know. 430 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:02,200 I don't think I've seen one since I was maybe seven or eight. 431 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,320 Well, it's not hard to explain. 432 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:05,720 They have coordinates on maps. 433 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:06,720 There you go. 434 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,000 I guess that's what I'll have to learn the next time we're together. 435 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:11,000 Absolutely. 436 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:12,800 Please let me show you how to read a map. 437 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:16,480 You'll probably need to use it one day and it's not hard to explain. 438 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:21,720 It's just easier right now to tell everybody to go look this up because the 35th degree 439 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,920 latitude is rather interesting here. 440 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:32,120 It's also referred to as the line of tragedy, which references a string of unfortunate events 441 00:25:32,120 --> 00:25:37,600 that occurred along the 35th degree latitude in Oklahoma. 442 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,560 Wow, that's interesting. 443 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:40,920 I know. 444 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,320 There's a lot of instances. 445 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,080 You may have heard of some of these. 446 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:53,140 In 2001, Andrea Pia Kennedy Yates drowned all five of her children in a bathtub while 447 00:25:53,140 --> 00:25:55,600 suffering from postpartum depression. 448 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,380 I remember that one was in the news. 449 00:25:58,380 --> 00:26:00,480 I feel like I remember that one. 450 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,760 That's just awful. 451 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:09,740 Pastor Carol Daniels was found mutilated and propped inside a church in a crucifix position 452 00:26:09,740 --> 00:26:12,360 on the 35th degree latitude. 453 00:26:12,360 --> 00:26:20,700 Timothy McVeigh, who is known to have bombed the Alfred P. Murray Federal Building in Oklahoma, 454 00:26:20,700 --> 00:26:22,800 that was on the 35th latitude. 455 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:29,560 And that bombing Shelby, I don't know if you remember this one, it killed 168 people and 456 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,000 injured almost 700 more. 457 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:33,600 Oh my gosh. 458 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:34,720 I know. 459 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:41,240 And then finally, a very similar case to the Jamison family also occurred when Tommy Raymond 460 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:47,700 Eastup disappeared on July 7th, 2013 on the 35th latitude. 461 00:26:47,700 --> 00:26:53,280 His truck was also abandoned under very similar conditions as the Jamison's. 462 00:26:53,280 --> 00:27:00,680 So there are several cases on what has occurred over the years on that 35th degree latitude 463 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,040 in Oklahoma. 464 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:03,480 Coincidence? 465 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,520 There are, and I would suggest everyone just stay away. 466 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,840 Stay away. 467 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,320 Good suggestion, Shelbs. 468 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:17,840 So this ends the mysterious story of the Jamison family deaths. 469 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:23,480 And there are, like I had mentioned, plenty of theories out there, so to our listeners, 470 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,560 we would love to hear what you guys have to say. 471 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:33,400 DM us on Instagram or shoot us an email at dyingtobefound at gmail.com or if you have 472 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,880 anything else to add to this story. 473 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,600 So there you go, Shelbs, the Jamison family deaths. 474 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:40,600 It's very sad. 475 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:45,320 I do hope that the family gets some closure on that someday soon. 476 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:46,480 Absolutely. 477 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,880 So what's your teachable moment for us today? 478 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:49,880 Teachable moment. 479 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:54,800 Well, I had mentioned I was going to talk about those apps, those location apps. 480 00:27:54,800 --> 00:28:01,600 And in this day and age, we give our privacy away to a lot of techie companies. 481 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:02,600 Would you agree? 482 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:03,600 I agree. 483 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,640 I try and turn it off as much as possible. 484 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,360 Yes, as do I. 485 00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:11,760 And that's why I don't comment a lot on social media. 486 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:17,080 But it's also important that we think a little closer to home than just giving our information 487 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:18,520 to the techie companies. 488 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:24,000 I had mentioned there are a lot of apps that we can share amongst family members that provide 489 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:29,280 us with a peace of mind when we are as spread out as you and I are, Shelby. 490 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:34,080 We use Life360 to know where everybody is when we're traveling. 491 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,360 So Life360 sponsor us. 492 00:28:36,360 --> 00:28:38,960 We'll talk about you again, I'm sure. 493 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:39,960 Please. 494 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:45,720 And I know I find it extremely helpful to know where you are, especially if you're traveling 495 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:46,720 alone. 496 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:52,120 You know, I travel alone quite a bit, so I know it's a peace of mind to you as well. 497 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:53,120 Absolutely. 498 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:54,840 We'd like to watch you drive down the road. 499 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,760 It is kind of cool, isn't it? 500 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:03,320 I also share my location with family members on my Maps app so that they can estimate my 501 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:04,320 driving time. 502 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:05,960 Now, this is a cool thing. 503 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:11,040 Remember Thanksgiving, I went to go visit your uncle who happened to be looking at that 504 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:12,040 app. 505 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,920 He and your aunt were wondering how much longer I would be before I got to their house that 506 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:16,920 day. 507 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,940 Well, the app said that I was about to arrive. 508 00:29:19,940 --> 00:29:25,760 So Uncle Sean was looking at his phone as he was walking out into the driveway while 509 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,080 I was pulling up. 510 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,040 So there's an accuracy to that for sure. 511 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:30,040 Oh, wow. 512 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:31,040 I know. 513 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:32,040 I know. 514 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:33,040 We do the same thing. 515 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:37,200 Do you notice that we're outside most of the time when you're getting here now too? 516 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:38,200 Yeah. 517 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,960 I mean, really, there's no reason why you shouldn't be telling everybody where you're 518 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:42,960 at. 519 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:43,960 Yeah, that is the cool thing about it. 520 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,400 I don't mind sharing my data with you. 521 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:47,560 That's for sure. 522 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:48,560 I know. 523 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:54,840 I get asked, why are you not on Life 360 when mine is turned off for some reason? 524 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:56,280 I do the same thing with John. 525 00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:02,040 John travels on his motorcycle all the time and he goes like five hour trips. 526 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:07,320 So my teachable moment here is regardless if you tell your family members where you 527 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:12,760 are going for the day, clearly the Jamisons left evidence behind because they did tell 528 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,180 their family members. 529 00:30:14,180 --> 00:30:19,640 They may not have intended to stay out for very long, but you need to send at least one 530 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:25,740 family member some sort of tracker, especially if you are traveling alone or if you know 531 00:30:25,740 --> 00:30:29,000 that you're going to be in an isolated area. 532 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:34,560 In the Jamisons case, they probably didn't have that technology back in 2009, but as 533 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,280 of today, we certainly do. 534 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:38,280 Are you sure? 535 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:39,280 Am I sure what? 536 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,440 That they didn't have those apps in 2009? 537 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:43,680 I was in high school. 538 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,160 You were able to track me. 539 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:46,800 Thank you for that reminder. 540 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:48,560 You're no, but you know what though? 541 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:49,560 It wasn't an app. 542 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,360 I don't even think we had smartphones then Shelbs. 543 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:58,960 It was a notification that went through the phone company where you actually had to give 544 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,040 me permission to track you. 545 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:02,600 So there was no hiding it. 546 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,200 Oh, I don't remember that. 547 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,440 I mean privacy rights for our younger listeners. 548 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:13,360 That's what we still had flip phones. 549 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,680 But that's where it all began. 550 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,280 Millennials probably don't know what those are. 551 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:18,280 No, they don't. 552 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:19,280 They have no idea. 553 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:20,280 Do they? 554 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:26,320 I'm still a millennial, but I'm the older part of that generation. 555 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,200 I know some of our thought processes are so similar. 556 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:34,760 I sometimes forget Shelby that honestly your experiences are very similar to mine growing 557 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:39,560 up because you did go the majority of your life without a cell phone while you were growing 558 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:40,560 up. 559 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:46,400 I was literally just thinking today what luxury my children have and they get to be on their 560 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:52,040 cell phones and me at this age used to get in trouble when I just tried to connect to 561 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,800 the internet on the desktop computer. 562 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,480 Wow, what's a desktop? 563 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,680 I don't even know what that is anymore. 564 00:31:58,680 --> 00:31:59,680 Just kidding. 565 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:05,040 If you don't know what a desktop computer is, you're too young to listen to this podcast. 566 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,200 All right. 567 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:12,480 Use one of those apps or at least send the link where people know where you are. 568 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:18,680 This could be a matter of life and death when you least expect it and it will really help 569 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:23,140 authorities find you if you do get yourself into a sticky situation. 570 00:32:23,140 --> 00:32:24,480 So that's it Shelbs. 571 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:25,880 That's my teachable moment. 572 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:26,880 That is it. 573 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:28,280 I think that's a very good teachable moment. 574 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:34,480 I know that I do enjoy being on Life360 as do my children. 575 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,760 So I think that's a good teachable moment. 576 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:37,760 All right. 577 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:43,120 Well, with that, I think we're done here and be sure to check in next week and we will 578 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:44,720 talk to you soon. 579 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,480 Talk to you soon. 580 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,760 Thanks for listening to Dying to be Found. 581 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:53,780 Before we go, we would love for you to leave a review on your favorite podcast platform. 582 00:32:53,780 --> 00:32:59,480 Be sure to follow us on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, and Pinterest at Dying to be Found. 583 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:05,360 You can access our website, email, social media, and storyline request form by clicking 584 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,140 on our Linktree account found in our show notes. 585 00:33:08,140 --> 00:33:13,640 If you like our episodes, consider buying us a coffee at buymeacoffee.com slash Dying 586 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,880 to be Found spelled just like you see it on our logo. 587 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:21,480 Feel free to message us on Instagram and let us know how we're doing or if you'd like a 588 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:22,480 sticker. 589 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:27,000 Be sure to check us out every Thursday wherever you get your podcasts. 590 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:52,920 We will talk to you all next week.