1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,040 Hi everyone, this is Deb from Dying to be Found. 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:07,880 Before we get started, I just wanted to say that episodes contain disturbing discussions 3 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:12,820 on harmful acts and crimes against animals and or humankind. 4 00:00:12,820 --> 00:00:18,480 Recordings are not intended for young or sensitive audiences due to the content nature of this 5 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:19,480 podcast. 6 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:23,520 Listener discretion is strongly advised. 7 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:27,800 Welcome to episode number 46 of Dying to be Found. 8 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:30,240 I am Deb and I'm Shelby. 9 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:32,560 And as always, thanks for joining us. 10 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:36,380 I love to say that our podcast is a family thing. 11 00:00:36,380 --> 00:00:40,880 So you never know which family member I'm going to pull to tell our tales. 12 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:46,240 In just a couple of weeks though, you'll see a big change, which I think is going to be 13 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:47,560 really, really good. 14 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:53,320 My sister, Beth, my daughter, Shelby, and my son, Corey have all agreed to do a little 15 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:58,480 rotation because you know, their lives are obviously much, much busier than mine. 16 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:01,080 So I'm trying to spread the wealth here, Shelbs. 17 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:04,200 And as we go along, why are you laughing? 18 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:09,040 I was just thinking, I love the way Aunt Beth does these stories with you, but I am really 19 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:11,200 excited to hear Corey's point of view. 20 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:16,800 I think it's dry and it's just going to be, I want to say hilarious, but these stories 21 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:23,280 are not hilarious, but he's, he's going to give a very good point of view. 22 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:26,800 That's what I like about it is that we're going to have a man's point of view, but not 23 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:30,040 just that, a law enforcement's point of view. 24 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,880 I feel like we're going to do a lot of, well, that was stupid. 25 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:36,760 Why did they do that? 26 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:37,760 Probably so. 27 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:38,760 I can't wait. 28 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:39,760 I'm excited. 29 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:43,520 Our listeners are going to start noticing a theme to each one of them because I think 30 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:46,240 I've pegged everybody's personalities here. 31 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:48,600 So it's really going to be a great change. 32 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:54,160 Another cool thing is that I've added some bonus episodes, which you'll hear on Wednesdays 33 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:55,680 beginning in February. 34 00:01:55,680 --> 00:02:02,260 I call these episodes the dash because some of them won't be as long as our regular episodes 35 00:02:02,260 --> 00:02:07,320 and I've got some cool podcasters already lined up to help me out on the dash. 36 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:09,000 So keep tuning in. 37 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:10,640 I think you guys are going to like it. 38 00:02:10,640 --> 00:02:12,640 I'm excited. 39 00:02:12,640 --> 00:02:17,000 If you're a true crime podcaster and you're looking to expand your reach, you need to 40 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:18,760 email me right now. 41 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:20,800 Go ahead and do that while you're listening. 42 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,360 Otherwise Shelby, I have a question for you. 43 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,840 I have an answer for you. 44 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:30,320 Are you a people person or do you prefer solitude? 45 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:32,640 Honestly, it depends on the day. 46 00:02:32,640 --> 00:02:36,160 Yeah, I just, I feel like I get peopled out. 47 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:37,880 I'm on the phone all day. 48 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:39,800 I'm in meetings all day. 49 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:45,240 Most of the time I bartend typically once a week and then sometimes more than that, 50 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:46,240 just depending. 51 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:47,480 I get people out. 52 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:48,720 I like to come home. 53 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,800 I like to get done what I have to get done. 54 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:55,280 And then by seven, eight o'clock, I just want love everybody. 55 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:56,280 Love you family. 56 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:59,520 But I just want you to leave me alone. 57 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:01,680 And you can go watch your hallmark movies. 58 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:03,640 Yes, please. 59 00:03:03,640 --> 00:03:05,920 All right. 60 00:03:05,920 --> 00:03:11,480 Today we're going to find out that our subject definitely prefers solitude because we're 61 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:14,360 going to be talking about the North pond hermit. 62 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:15,360 By chance. 63 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:19,800 I have not, but I feel like I could be called now. 64 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:21,660 Just wait until you hear this story. 65 00:03:21,660 --> 00:03:26,440 You may think otherwise because he is a true, true definition of a hermit. 66 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:32,000 And I like to take us away from some of the more gruesome tales from time to time. 67 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:36,580 Last week was a little rough, so I wanted to do something a little bit different today. 68 00:03:36,580 --> 00:03:39,040 So it's a good one this week, Shelbs. 69 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:45,440 It's definitely crime based, but the good news is, is that no one gets hurt, killed, 70 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,160 abducted, kidnapped, or anything else. 71 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:49,200 Oh, good. 72 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:50,200 What happens? 73 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:55,400 Well, you'll understand in just a minute because we're talking about the North pond hermit, 74 00:03:55,400 --> 00:04:01,640 also known as Christopher Knight, who at the age of 20 walked into the woods and did not 75 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,440 come out again for 27 years. 76 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:05,440 Wow. 77 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:07,160 He must've been living off land. 78 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:12,900 He was definitely living off the land and then some other things, which hence is why 79 00:04:12,900 --> 00:04:18,800 this story definitely falls into my interpretation of dying to be found. 80 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:19,800 Yeah. 81 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:24,420 So before we get started, I wanted to give you a little bit of Christopher's background. 82 00:04:24,420 --> 00:04:28,120 He grew up in a very small town in Albion, Maine. 83 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:34,200 Christopher was the youngest of five children and was considered to live amongst a family 84 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,700 that was very highly intelligent. 85 00:04:36,700 --> 00:04:41,140 They basically, everybody in the family was of high intelligence. 86 00:04:41,140 --> 00:04:48,360 Christopher's dad was obsessed with privacy, studied thermodynamics and built a greenhouse 87 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:52,740 to show his kids how to grow their own food, which I think is pretty cool. 88 00:04:52,740 --> 00:04:54,420 My dad kind of did the same thing. 89 00:04:54,420 --> 00:04:59,200 We didn't have a greenhouse growing up, but we did have a garden and my dad was always 90 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:01,680 showing us how to survive. 91 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:07,840 Christopher's parents were not at all affectionate and Chris often felt invisible. 92 00:05:07,840 --> 00:05:08,840 Poor kid. 93 00:05:08,840 --> 00:05:10,240 He's the youngest of five kids. 94 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:15,040 His parents were not affectionate and so of course he's feeling invisible here. 95 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:16,320 I can kind of get that. 96 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:17,320 Yeah, I do too. 97 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:24,040 It's a little odd because I know with my kids, the baby is a spoiled one. 98 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:25,520 I don't see that at all. 99 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:26,520 All right. 100 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,120 This is a bit of a folklore tale. 101 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:36,280 Christopher remained a mystery to local residents and it's even said that he was given the name 102 00:05:36,280 --> 00:05:43,680 the North Pond Hermit, just like the mysterious Loch Ness Monster was given that name in Scotland 103 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:46,920 because I don't even know if you've heard of the Loch Ness Monster, Shelby. 104 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:51,360 Who has not heard of the Loch Ness Monster? 105 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:55,320 I'm going to say anybody born after the year 2000. 106 00:05:55,320 --> 00:06:01,880 Just to say though that since the expansion of technology, sightings of UFOs, Bigfoot 107 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:05,800 and the Loch Ness Monster have decreased significantly. 108 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:07,080 Would you not agree with that? 109 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:08,080 I agree. 110 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:09,080 Yeah. 111 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:10,080 So technology has changed things. 112 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:12,520 Our imaginations are not what they used to be. 113 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:18,680 But back in 1986, Christopher packed up basic camping supplies. 114 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,720 He drove up to Moosehead Lake in Maine. 115 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:25,560 He abandoned his car and just started walking. 116 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:31,640 I will tell you this, the northern half of Maine is described as the Great Woods because 117 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:33,680 of how remote it is. 118 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:39,760 There are somewhere around 300 cabins in this area, but not a whole lot of civilization. 119 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:44,600 So I would say that a lot of these cabins are probably seasonal and people are going 120 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:48,920 to go up to those cabins usually during the warmer months, kind of like everybody goes 121 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:49,920 on vacation. 122 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:50,920 Yeah, that makes sense. 123 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:54,520 Now, here's the interesting part. 124 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:59,440 Christopher's parents never filed a missing persons report because they just assumed he 125 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:00,440 took off for an adventure. 126 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:01,840 What do you think of that? 127 00:07:01,840 --> 00:07:07,160 I wonder if that's why he did it, to see if his parents would file a missing persons report. 128 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,200 Oh, good concept because he was feeling invisible. 129 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:11,200 Interesting. 130 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:16,240 Yeah, I guess they probably would have found him a little bit sooner, that's for sure. 131 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:24,080 Because during his 27 year isolation, Christopher practiced the Greek philosophy of Stoicism, 132 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:30,200 which is the practice of maximizing positive emotions and minimizing negative emotions 133 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:36,760 in order to build character based on the virtues of life that include wisdom, justice, courage, 134 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:37,760 and moderation. 135 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:39,600 That sounds like a pretty good lifestyle. 136 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:40,600 It does. 137 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:45,800 But I don't know why you would have to leave civilization to make that happen. 138 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:48,000 But he just said he didn't like being around people. 139 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:53,280 I mean, if he was in an environment that he felt was negative, then maybe the best way 140 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,600 for him to do that was to just get away. 141 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:56,860 Yeah, absolutely. 142 00:07:56,860 --> 00:08:00,920 Take a vacation once a year or maybe even twice and come back. 143 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:02,160 All right. 144 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:06,880 Once Christopher reached his destination, he deliberately got lost. 145 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:11,220 So his basic supplies, Shelby, obviously did not include a compass. 146 00:08:11,220 --> 00:08:15,480 He deliberately got lost and upon his journey, he just kept walking. 147 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:22,360 Where he ended up setting up camp by a 273 acre pond called North Pond, which is located 148 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:27,800 in Rome, Maine, and is just a couple of minutes away from a very popular campsite that has 149 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:30,280 multiple cabins for visitors. 150 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:31,280 And that's kind of cool. 151 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,700 I've been to campsites like that. 152 00:08:33,700 --> 00:08:40,200 Christopher positioned his camp to be centrally located to summer homes, plus a popular camping 153 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:47,880 area that did serve as a vacation setting for people who wanted to camp for the weekends. 154 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:52,080 And the interesting thing is the campsite did have a main kitchen area. 155 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:57,280 So honestly, I'm envisioning a boys or girls camp like you see in the movies like Parent 156 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:01,320 Trap or I don't even know if you've seen Friday the 13th, Shelbs. 157 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:04,200 I honestly don't think I have. 158 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:08,800 I know you've seen Parent Trap because I think that we've watched that multiple times together. 159 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:09,800 Of course. 160 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:10,800 Yeah. 161 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:15,140 I'm trying to let you envision the fact of even in Parent Trap, they've got a bunch of 162 00:09:15,140 --> 00:09:18,360 different cabins that all the kids are assigned to. 163 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:21,680 And then they all meet in that one area for dinner. 164 00:09:21,680 --> 00:09:23,480 I think it's called the mess hall. 165 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:24,480 There you go. 166 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,120 And just so you know, you need to go watch Friday the 13th. 167 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:28,120 They have the same setup. 168 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:29,120 Isn't that a scary movie? 169 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:30,120 I don't know. 170 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:31,120 I don't remember. 171 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:32,120 Yes, it is. 172 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:33,120 No, thank you. 173 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:34,120 No, thank you. 174 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:35,120 Nope. 175 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:39,720 I can talk about your crime all day, but I cannot watch a scary movie. 176 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:40,720 Yeah, that's true. 177 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:41,960 I'm kind of the same way. 178 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:47,360 Now I went to go look up the average temperatures in Maine because believe it or not, it's a 179 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:53,760 little bit more north from where I grew up and it gets a little chilly there because 180 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:59,960 the entire time that Christopher lived in the woods, he never once lit a campfire to 181 00:09:59,960 --> 00:10:00,960 stay warm. 182 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:01,960 Wow. 183 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:07,880 Average temperatures during the daytime throughout the coldest months in Maine are 35 degrees 184 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:15,760 Fahrenheit or one degree Celsius and lows were negative 13 Fahrenheit or negative 25 185 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:16,760 degrees Celsius. 186 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:17,760 Oh my goodness. 187 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:18,760 That's cold. 188 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:19,760 Yeah. 189 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:21,280 He's in some pretty frigid temperatures here. 190 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:22,760 Yeah, that's very cold. 191 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:23,760 Yeah. 192 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,640 And we're feeling that pinch right now, aren't we? 193 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:27,640 Absolutely. 194 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:33,800 In order to survive, Christopher often broke into those cabins to look for all the necessities 195 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:39,360 that he needed like food or clothing and he particularly liked books. 196 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:40,560 So there you go. 197 00:10:40,560 --> 00:10:44,860 At least we know he has propane to keep warm because we knew that he did not start any 198 00:10:44,860 --> 00:10:51,800 campfires and based on his spiritual belief, Shelby, surrounding the Greek philosophy of 199 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:58,420 Stoicism, Christopher took a few months before winter to gain weight in anticipation of those 200 00:10:58,420 --> 00:10:59,700 harsh winters. 201 00:10:59,700 --> 00:11:05,160 So he's kind of thinking about this because he stole the propane tanks to use for heat. 202 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,560 Honestly, what else did he have to do, right? 203 00:11:07,560 --> 00:11:13,880 If he's out there for 27 years, he should probably have something down pat, but I personally 204 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:16,520 am pretty shocked he survived those winters. 205 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:18,400 I know. 206 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:23,480 He used the propane tanks during the winter months to melt snow for drinking water. 207 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:25,240 Well, that was smart. 208 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:31,040 Also when he broke into people's homes, he especially loved the National Geographic magazine 209 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:33,800 and Playboy because why not? 210 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,240 I guess at that age that makes sense. 211 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:37,240 Yeah. 212 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:43,040 Christopher preferred Budweiser beer over Bud Light and he loved peanut butter over 213 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:44,040 tuna. 214 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:45,040 So he was a little selective. 215 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:49,160 I mean, if he's not working and doesn't have any money, I figured he'd be able to take 216 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:50,720 what he can get. 217 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:52,080 Yeah, for sure. 218 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:58,080 Christopher had no intentions of ever hurting anyone and even tried to leave the cabins 219 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:00,280 with as little damage as possible. 220 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:01,280 So that was nice. 221 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,320 I guess he's practicing virtues to a certain extent. 222 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:07,660 Although he's burglarizing, he's being nice about it. 223 00:12:07,660 --> 00:12:10,120 He never broke windows or doors. 224 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:15,480 He would simply jimmy the lock on the cabins and then make a sweep for whatever he could 225 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:16,760 to survive. 226 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:22,840 Christopher even took a door off the hinges to get inside the house where he reattached 227 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:24,600 the door before he left. 228 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:26,280 How about that? 229 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:27,280 Okay. 230 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:32,560 I'm just curious because first of all, that's pretty good confidence there because when 231 00:12:32,560 --> 00:12:37,480 you're a burglar, you kind of want to get in and out pretty quickly, right? 232 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:43,640 But secondly, I personally know how much time it takes to take a door off its hinges and 233 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:45,300 to reattach a new one. 234 00:12:45,300 --> 00:12:47,660 It's not just a 10 minute deal there. 235 00:12:47,660 --> 00:12:49,480 It takes a little bit longer than that. 236 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:50,880 So he's pretty confident there. 237 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:51,880 Yeah. 238 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:56,120 I'm sure that it would be a little hard for one person to do that too. 239 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:57,120 It is. 240 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:59,040 It is because you have to balance all the hinges. 241 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:00,040 Yeah. 242 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:05,960 But I guess my question too is what doors do we know of that has the hinges on the outside? 243 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:07,920 Aren't they usually on the inside? 244 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:08,920 That's true. 245 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:09,920 Yep. 246 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:13,840 Christopher made out pretty well on his nightly burglaries. 247 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:19,680 His campsite was set up with a two burner stove with a gas line to those propane tanks. 248 00:13:19,680 --> 00:13:25,160 Plus he encased his stolen mattress with Tommy Hill figure sheets. 249 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:28,160 So he had a mattress at one point. 250 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:33,360 Basically he broke into somebody's cabin, Shelby, and he left everything but the mattress 251 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:38,220 because there were some valuables that were sitting around and he left them there. 252 00:13:38,220 --> 00:13:40,560 He took the mattress and the mattress only. 253 00:13:40,560 --> 00:13:41,560 Wasn't that nice? 254 00:13:41,560 --> 00:13:42,560 Wow. 255 00:13:42,560 --> 00:13:43,560 That's funny. 256 00:13:43,560 --> 00:13:44,560 Right? 257 00:13:44,560 --> 00:13:47,400 You almost think, wow, he's a pretty nice burglar. 258 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:48,400 Yes. 259 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:49,720 Should we feel sorry for him? 260 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:51,480 Probably not. 261 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:56,400 He painted his storage bins with camouflage to blend in with the land and he also had 262 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:58,500 a pretty decent washing area. 263 00:13:58,500 --> 00:14:02,240 So he had it pretty good other than no air conditioning or heat. 264 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:03,480 Yeah, I agree. 265 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:09,280 Christopher never stole money in the 27 years that he lived in the woods, but hikers occasionally 266 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:14,640 came across a stash of food, clothing, or other camping supplies that were hidden away. 267 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:18,320 I'm going to say probably that he could pick up later. 268 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:20,400 So he's squirreling things away right now. 269 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:24,320 Christopher would steal from people's gardens first. 270 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:26,440 And of course that can only go so far. 271 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:30,760 So when that was not available to him, that's pretty much when he started breaking into 272 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:32,240 people's houses. 273 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:33,640 So here's the deal, Shelbs. 274 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:38,680 I'm going to just kind of stop there for a second because I have been a victim of theft 275 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:45,360 before and the feeling of violation is so magnified. 276 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:50,880 I could not even imagine being somebody walking into the cabin. 277 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:54,620 Even if it's a summer cabin, I walk in and I can see that it's been ransacked. 278 00:14:54,620 --> 00:15:00,720 I know that Christopher is harmless, but me personally, it's very traumatic for that feeling 279 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:02,840 of violation to overcome. 280 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:06,760 So I personally would be worried that he'd walk back in. 281 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:08,880 Am I going to be home at that time? 282 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:10,440 I don't even know if you remember. 283 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:12,920 Do you remember when we had a car that got stolen? 284 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:15,240 I do the SS Monte Carlo. 285 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:16,560 I was going to bring that up. 286 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:20,760 Yeah, you're the one that told me it got stolen because I didn't believe you guys. 287 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:25,560 We were picking you up from work and it was pretty late and that's the car that we drove 288 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:26,560 up there. 289 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:30,000 And I remember the car being stolen, but I don't remember. 290 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,440 Yeah, I don't remember the details from that night. 291 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:35,920 I just remember walking out and the car was gone. 292 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:37,640 It was gone. 293 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:39,280 Yeah, it was. 294 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:40,360 It sure was. 295 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:42,600 That was an awful sinking feeling that day. 296 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:47,320 No, what happened is we all stayed for lunch and then we went to walk outside into the 297 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:48,320 parking lot. 298 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:50,880 And of course your dad's like, where's our car? 299 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:52,960 I'm like, come on now, you're joking. 300 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:57,200 Because he was a jokester and yeah, come on, where's the car? 301 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:00,320 And he's like, no, really, it was really stolen. 302 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:02,800 So I look at you and I'm like, Shelby, where's the car? 303 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:06,240 And you're like, well, it was parked in that empty parking spot. 304 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:08,360 Oh my God. 305 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:10,960 So yeah, that's a bad feeling for sure. 306 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:15,960 Well, several of Christopher's victims kind of felt the same way that I did. 307 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:19,600 I mean, he definitely left an impression here and there. 308 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:22,440 One couple, and I can't really pronounce this last name. 309 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:24,200 I'm going to do the best I can. 310 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:32,520 David and Louise Prollts had their home broken into Shelby at least 50 times over the years. 311 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:33,600 Wow. 312 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:36,120 Can you imagine that 50 times? 313 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:41,080 First of all, is the insurance company going to cover that after that many times? 314 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:42,080 Yeah. 315 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:48,820 He was so skilled at breaking in that sometimes David and Louise thought they were going crazy 316 00:16:48,820 --> 00:16:52,500 because you walk in and little things are moved around. 317 00:16:52,500 --> 00:16:56,640 And at one point they even accused their own children of breaking in. 318 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:57,640 Isn't that something? 319 00:16:57,640 --> 00:16:59,720 Yeah, that's crazy. 320 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:06,780 Another victim, Gary Collins actually left food out for the North Pond hermit, but Christopher 321 00:17:06,780 --> 00:17:07,960 left it alone. 322 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:12,400 He refused to take it because he thought it was a trap and it would have been poisoned. 323 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:17,640 So he would just break in anyway and leave the food out there on the porch. 324 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:19,240 Wow. 325 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:24,780 Neil Patterson pulled an all night watch one night just to see if he could catch the North 326 00:17:24,780 --> 00:17:28,520 Pond hermit in the act of burglary, but he never did. 327 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:32,760 Obviously, Christopher is leaving an impression on the community. 328 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:33,760 How would you react? 329 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:35,480 I'd be a little worried. 330 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:36,880 Yeah, I would too. 331 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:42,920 Well, police were aware of the break-ins and dubbed the thief, the North Pond hermit, the 332 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,500 mountain man and the hungry man. 333 00:17:45,500 --> 00:17:48,400 But the hermit of North Pond is the one that stuck. 334 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:55,140 For the next 27 years, authorities were unable to catch Christopher red-handed during any 335 00:17:55,140 --> 00:17:56,700 of his burglaries. 336 00:17:56,700 --> 00:18:02,600 They just filed reports under the name hermit, hermit, so first name hermit, last name hermit 337 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:07,840 and made note that the burglar was unusually neat and tidy. 338 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:08,840 Wow. 339 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:10,740 I mean, that's a comical report. 340 00:18:10,740 --> 00:18:14,420 That sounds like something Corey might write up. 341 00:18:14,420 --> 00:18:20,100 They gave him props though for how tedious and talented Christopher was for pulling off 342 00:18:20,100 --> 00:18:25,020 all of these burglaries with skill and going undetected. 343 00:18:25,020 --> 00:18:26,020 So there you go. 344 00:18:26,020 --> 00:18:28,000 Yeah, that's a long time. 345 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:29,460 It is. 346 00:18:29,460 --> 00:18:34,800 Authorities installed security cameras in the main kitchen where those cabins were, 347 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:40,420 but they were unsuccessful in identifying the man that they did catch on camera on numerous 348 00:18:40,420 --> 00:18:41,420 occasions. 349 00:18:41,420 --> 00:18:46,760 Obviously, because basically Christopher walked off the face of the earth and so I'm sure 350 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:50,820 he's got no documentation, especially as he got older. 351 00:18:50,820 --> 00:18:55,020 I'm sure that they couldn't really figure out who he was. 352 00:18:55,020 --> 00:19:00,700 And the authorities estimated over 1000 break-ins through the years. 353 00:19:00,700 --> 00:19:01,860 So there you go. 354 00:19:01,860 --> 00:19:02,980 That's what I'm talking about. 355 00:19:02,980 --> 00:19:07,660 This is where Dying to be Found comes in because he was pretty shifty there, did a good job 356 00:19:07,660 --> 00:19:09,060 of keeping himself hidden. 357 00:19:09,060 --> 00:19:10,300 Yeah, for sure. 358 00:19:10,300 --> 00:19:11,520 So I have a question. 359 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:17,980 If the campgrounds placed surveillance cameras on their property, do you think that they 360 00:19:17,980 --> 00:19:23,700 could have specifically pinpointed the times that he would be showing up? 361 00:19:23,700 --> 00:19:25,300 What time he would be coming around? 362 00:19:25,300 --> 00:19:27,260 Yeah, you would think so. 363 00:19:27,260 --> 00:19:28,260 Yeah. 364 00:19:28,260 --> 00:19:31,780 After asking myself this question during my research, I actually went to go look it up 365 00:19:31,780 --> 00:19:37,860 and according to the New York Post, they said that Christopher did have a pattern, which 366 00:19:37,860 --> 00:19:44,060 believe it or not occurred frequently over Memorial Day in May and Labor Day weekend 367 00:19:44,060 --> 00:19:45,060 in September. 368 00:19:45,060 --> 00:19:50,060 And for our listeners who don't live in America, those are the two main holiday weekends that 369 00:19:50,060 --> 00:19:55,820 kick off and close out the summer season of outdoor activities where the majority of people 370 00:19:55,820 --> 00:19:59,580 would be staying in cabins and enjoying the outdoors. 371 00:19:59,580 --> 00:20:04,340 But during the rest of the months between October and April, Christopher rarely left 372 00:20:04,340 --> 00:20:08,180 his tent to minimize leaving footprints in the snow. 373 00:20:08,180 --> 00:20:12,100 So I kind of wonder how many people actually hiked through those areas. 374 00:20:12,100 --> 00:20:17,060 If he's trampling through the snow, that's one thing, but is how close is he to hikers? 375 00:20:17,060 --> 00:20:18,420 Yeah, for sure. 376 00:20:18,420 --> 00:20:23,940 Now during the nights, Christopher wrapped himself in multiple sleeping bags and of course 377 00:20:23,940 --> 00:20:26,080 he had that propane nearby. 378 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:31,500 So at least he's keeping himself warm and he only allowed himself to sleep between the 379 00:20:31,500 --> 00:20:38,940 hours of 7.30 PM and two o'clock AM every night because he did not want to freeze to 380 00:20:38,940 --> 00:20:44,180 death if his sweat were to turn into ice under those frigid temperatures. 381 00:20:44,180 --> 00:20:45,180 That makes sense. 382 00:20:45,180 --> 00:20:47,340 I've done a lot of camping and I kind of get it. 383 00:20:47,340 --> 00:20:49,540 Wow, I didn't even know that was a thing. 384 00:20:49,540 --> 00:20:53,380 Yeah, and I've done camping up north in Canada, so I really kind of get it. 385 00:20:53,380 --> 00:20:54,380 So that's pretty smart. 386 00:20:54,380 --> 00:21:00,220 I mean, again, he comes from an intelligent family, so he's definitely on that spectrum. 387 00:21:00,220 --> 00:21:08,180 Now we're going to move into the beginning of the end because by 2013, many local residents 388 00:21:08,180 --> 00:21:14,140 installed security cameras and alarm systems on their property, which was definitely helpful 389 00:21:14,140 --> 00:21:20,140 in deterring the North Pond hermit, the pine tree summer camp, which is the camp with that 390 00:21:20,140 --> 00:21:24,940 main kitchen, added motion sensors and floodlights to the property. 391 00:21:24,940 --> 00:21:29,260 So yeah, technology is definitely taking over here, but here's the kicker. 392 00:21:29,260 --> 00:21:35,940 Sergeant Terry Hughes, who was in charge of this investigation, also implemented a silent 393 00:21:35,940 --> 00:21:42,320 alarm system that I am told was probably under the guidelines of Homeland Security, so it's 394 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:43,320 pretty high tech. 395 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:44,320 Oh yeah. 396 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:50,140 Yeah, the technology that he used was routed to his own home from the campsite. 397 00:21:50,140 --> 00:21:55,320 So it was a silent alarm system that was routed to his own home and Christopher obviously 398 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,740 would not have heard any alarms going off. 399 00:21:58,740 --> 00:22:04,740 In April of 2013, at the age of 47, he left the woods. 400 00:22:04,740 --> 00:22:12,220 Christopher left for the woods at age 20 and at the age of 47, he was finally caught by 401 00:22:12,220 --> 00:22:18,780 the state game warden as he was burglarizing the camp that was set up for disabled people. 402 00:22:18,780 --> 00:22:25,180 Oh, I'm going to fast forward to Christopher's interview after he was finally apprehended. 403 00:22:25,180 --> 00:22:31,220 When questioned about why he spent almost three decades as a hermit, Christopher simply 404 00:22:31,220 --> 00:22:37,220 stated that people made him feel uncomfortable and he was more comfortable being alone. 405 00:22:37,220 --> 00:22:39,620 And we talked about that at the beginning of this podcast. 406 00:22:39,620 --> 00:22:41,380 I get it to a certain extent. 407 00:22:41,380 --> 00:22:45,540 Yeah, poor thing, but for 27 years. 408 00:22:45,540 --> 00:22:46,980 27 years. 409 00:22:46,980 --> 00:22:53,820 Well, let me just tell you, now he did speak to one lone hiker in those 27 years. 410 00:22:53,820 --> 00:22:56,820 Remember he went into the woods in 1986? 411 00:22:56,820 --> 00:23:05,540 Well, let's see, about five years later in 1991, he did happen across a lone hiker in 412 00:23:05,540 --> 00:23:09,700 which he said hi to that person and they went on their merry ways. 413 00:23:09,700 --> 00:23:14,900 He went another 22 years after that without speaking to one other person. 414 00:23:14,900 --> 00:23:17,340 He just said hi one day. 415 00:23:17,340 --> 00:23:19,500 In 27 years, he spoke once. 416 00:23:19,500 --> 00:23:23,100 No, I feel bad for him though. 417 00:23:23,100 --> 00:23:24,100 I know. 418 00:23:24,100 --> 00:23:28,380 I really kind of do too because what's his mindset like, poor guy? 419 00:23:28,380 --> 00:23:30,100 I just want to give him a hug. 420 00:23:30,100 --> 00:23:31,100 Yeah, don't do that though. 421 00:23:31,100 --> 00:23:38,100 Okay, I'm going to go ahead and tell you now, Christopher did receive a marriage proposal 422 00:23:38,100 --> 00:23:39,620 once this hit the news. 423 00:23:39,620 --> 00:23:41,460 I just said a hug. 424 00:23:41,460 --> 00:23:43,500 There's always somebody out there, Shelby. 425 00:23:43,500 --> 00:23:46,020 Please don't be that person. 426 00:23:46,020 --> 00:23:52,740 Christopher went on to say that he felt horrible about committing petty theft, but quote, I 427 00:23:52,740 --> 00:23:59,380 was so committed to being completely alone that I decided it was necessary for my survival, 428 00:23:59,380 --> 00:24:00,380 unquote. 429 00:24:00,380 --> 00:24:01,380 That's interesting. 430 00:24:01,380 --> 00:24:02,380 Yeah. 431 00:24:02,380 --> 00:24:05,620 So he had a conscience, but he did it anyway. 432 00:24:05,620 --> 00:24:06,620 Yeah. 433 00:24:06,620 --> 00:24:13,540 Christopher was initially held on a $5,000 bond and spent seven months in jail before 434 00:24:13,540 --> 00:24:17,740 a judge ordered the bond to be raised to $250,000. 435 00:24:17,740 --> 00:24:18,740 What? 436 00:24:18,740 --> 00:24:24,220 I mean, at this point, will they know that nobody is looking for him? 437 00:24:24,220 --> 00:24:25,620 Who's going to be able to pay that? 438 00:24:25,620 --> 00:24:26,860 I know exactly. 439 00:24:26,860 --> 00:24:28,580 Where's that money going to come from, right? 440 00:24:28,580 --> 00:24:30,900 I've got a couple of different thoughts here first. 441 00:24:30,900 --> 00:24:35,340 I'll bet he actually enjoyed living in a cell for seven months because he had a warm bed 442 00:24:35,340 --> 00:24:39,220 and a warm meal, so that he had going for him. 443 00:24:39,220 --> 00:24:46,940 But the judge stated that they adjusted that fee from $5,000 to $250,000. 444 00:24:46,940 --> 00:24:53,040 It was necessary to protect Christopher from being exploited before he could get a lawyer. 445 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:54,040 That makes sense. 446 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:55,040 That does make sense. 447 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:56,040 Mm-hmm. 448 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,940 A pretty big news story at this point in time if he didn't have a lawyer. 449 00:24:58,940 --> 00:25:01,340 I mean, that was nice of a judge, I think. 450 00:25:01,340 --> 00:25:02,340 Mm-hmm. 451 00:25:02,340 --> 00:25:03,340 Yeah. 452 00:25:03,340 --> 00:25:04,340 I mean, he's thinking about his humanity there. 453 00:25:04,340 --> 00:25:05,340 Yeah. 454 00:25:05,340 --> 00:25:06,340 All right. 455 00:25:06,340 --> 00:25:07,980 So Christopher spent that time behind bars. 456 00:25:07,980 --> 00:25:14,500 And when that happened, I had mentioned that he got that marriage proposal and he was eventually 457 00:25:14,500 --> 00:25:18,540 given a conditional release under his mother's care. 458 00:25:18,540 --> 00:25:20,380 So here we go now. 459 00:25:20,380 --> 00:25:26,440 Can you imagine getting that phone call that your son who had been missing for 27 years 460 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:27,440 has reappeared? 461 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:35,860 I mean, I would be ecstatic, but considering how his parents treated him prior to him leaving, 462 00:25:35,860 --> 00:25:41,660 I can't see that they would give him that maybe affection that he was looking for all 463 00:25:41,660 --> 00:25:42,860 those years ago. 464 00:25:42,860 --> 00:25:47,500 But then again, maybe with him being gone for that long, maybe that changed the way 465 00:25:47,500 --> 00:25:48,500 they are. 466 00:25:48,500 --> 00:25:49,500 Yeah, possibly. 467 00:25:49,500 --> 00:25:53,980 I mean, definitely time and maturity changes every one of us for sure. 468 00:25:53,980 --> 00:25:59,700 But could you imagine being forced to interact with people again after 27 years, whether 469 00:25:59,700 --> 00:26:01,740 you know them or not? 470 00:26:01,740 --> 00:26:02,740 Absolutely not. 471 00:26:02,740 --> 00:26:05,940 Yeah, I think that would be very stressful for everyone involved. 472 00:26:05,940 --> 00:26:10,260 I mean, after 27 years, does he really, really know them? 473 00:26:10,260 --> 00:26:11,500 No, probably not. 474 00:26:11,500 --> 00:26:16,980 No, it'd be like meeting strangers all over again and living with strangers all over again. 475 00:26:16,980 --> 00:26:18,420 Yeah, it would be. 476 00:26:18,420 --> 00:26:25,140 Well, Christopher eventually paid $1,500 in restitution for his crimes. 477 00:26:25,140 --> 00:26:26,300 And where did he get this money? 478 00:26:26,300 --> 00:26:27,740 I know you're wondering. 479 00:26:27,740 --> 00:26:33,000 It was funded by taking a job that his brother set up for him at a scrap metal recycling 480 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:34,000 plant. 481 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,240 So that was good. 482 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:39,460 He was able to get back into society that way and earn an honest living. 483 00:26:39,460 --> 00:26:43,620 Yeah, seems like his family was really trying to help him. 484 00:26:43,620 --> 00:26:50,340 Christopher longs to return to the woods and considers reentering society one of his worst 485 00:26:50,340 --> 00:26:51,340 punishments. 486 00:26:51,340 --> 00:26:54,300 Understood, he's been there for a long time. 487 00:26:54,300 --> 00:27:00,220 And he does understand, however, that returning to the woods would be returning to the life 488 00:27:00,220 --> 00:27:01,780 of crime. 489 00:27:01,780 --> 00:27:07,360 So he basically has come to the decision that he is going to do the best he can with the 490 00:27:07,360 --> 00:27:12,460 cards he's dealt with at this point in time, because he knows he was doing wrong. 491 00:27:12,460 --> 00:27:14,200 He understands that. 492 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:18,840 And so he's living in society, I'm sure he still isolates himself. 493 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:26,580 But if he's practicing his stoicism, he's probably understanding that he's worked what 494 00:27:26,580 --> 00:27:32,020 worked out the time that he needed to out there in the woods and back to society he 495 00:27:32,020 --> 00:27:33,260 is. 496 00:27:33,260 --> 00:27:37,660 So that's the story of the North Pond Hermit. 497 00:27:37,660 --> 00:27:38,660 I enjoyed that. 498 00:27:38,660 --> 00:27:44,220 Yeah, we needed to do something different and to have a little bit of positivity, even 499 00:27:44,220 --> 00:27:46,140 though there was crime involved. 500 00:27:46,140 --> 00:27:50,320 But I would love to hear some feedback from our listeners on this storyline. 501 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,340 So there you have it shelves. 502 00:27:52,340 --> 00:27:57,060 So you have a teachable moment for for us today, mom. 503 00:27:57,060 --> 00:27:58,780 Yeah, I actually do. 504 00:27:58,780 --> 00:28:02,620 And I actually put a little bit of thought into this and went out and did my research 505 00:28:02,620 --> 00:28:03,620 on this. 506 00:28:03,620 --> 00:28:06,920 A lot of it surprise comes from the cuff. 507 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:13,060 But today, I thought I would give you some information on what burglars are looking for 508 00:28:13,060 --> 00:28:16,020 when they break into our houses. 509 00:28:16,020 --> 00:28:18,620 And I'm not sure I'm not pointing fingers. 510 00:28:18,620 --> 00:28:21,540 I don't even know what applies to your home, Shelby. 511 00:28:21,540 --> 00:28:23,740 I know what applies to my home. 512 00:28:23,740 --> 00:28:30,780 This is some information that real burglars say about how they break into people's homes. 513 00:28:30,780 --> 00:28:36,560 Most of them say they just walk in through an unlocked door or window. 514 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:41,320 Burglars do knock first before they enter if no one answers. 515 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:46,220 But if someone does answer, they'll say something random to give a reason as to why they're 516 00:28:46,220 --> 00:28:47,840 on your doorstep. 517 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:52,060 I personally had this happen to me a couple years ago. 518 00:28:52,060 --> 00:28:55,740 It was early morning before I even left for work and somebody is knocking on my door. 519 00:28:55,740 --> 00:28:57,360 I'm like, what the heck? 520 00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,820 He said he was looking for his dog. 521 00:28:59,820 --> 00:29:00,820 Wow. 522 00:29:00,820 --> 00:29:01,820 Yep. 523 00:29:01,820 --> 00:29:04,720 He was looking for his dog at seven o'clock in the morning. 524 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,720 Maybe he was, but... 525 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,220 No, thank you. 526 00:29:08,220 --> 00:29:09,220 Yeah. 527 00:29:09,220 --> 00:29:11,520 Anyway, it was fishy and he made me feel nervous. 528 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:16,780 So I didn't even open the door, but I could hear him through the window. 529 00:29:16,780 --> 00:29:24,140 So the number one spot that burglars beeline it to once they enter the home is the bedroom 530 00:29:24,140 --> 00:29:27,260 because that's where most valuables are kept. 531 00:29:27,260 --> 00:29:28,260 Think about it. 532 00:29:28,260 --> 00:29:30,740 Jewelry, handguns, things like that. 533 00:29:30,740 --> 00:29:31,740 That makes sense. 534 00:29:31,740 --> 00:29:37,540 But they also look in the freezer, the toilet tanks and cereal boxes. 535 00:29:37,540 --> 00:29:39,140 How about that? 536 00:29:39,140 --> 00:29:40,140 That's crazy. 537 00:29:40,140 --> 00:29:44,940 I mean, I can understand maybe the freezer and the toilet tanks because I've heard... 538 00:29:44,940 --> 00:29:50,860 Now, I don't know anybody personally, but I've heard that sometimes people will hide 539 00:29:50,860 --> 00:29:56,980 cash in there, but I have kids and so a cereal box is not something that I would think of, 540 00:29:56,980 --> 00:30:01,300 although that might be a good idea. 541 00:30:01,300 --> 00:30:02,300 Yep. 542 00:30:02,300 --> 00:30:07,340 So if any burglars are listening to me right now, they're actually getting some tips, but 543 00:30:07,340 --> 00:30:11,860 I'm also trying to do this on the flip side and give you some tips on what to watch out 544 00:30:11,860 --> 00:30:12,860 for. 545 00:30:12,860 --> 00:30:18,860 Now, the prime time to break in is during the day when everybody's at work, but specifically 546 00:30:18,860 --> 00:30:25,540 between 12.30 PM and 2.30 PM because some people come home for lunch. 547 00:30:25,540 --> 00:30:28,060 Makes sense. 548 00:30:28,060 --> 00:30:32,220 Burglars want to make sure that you've gone back to work and then of course a lot of people 549 00:30:32,220 --> 00:30:37,300 get off 2.30, three o'clock in the afternoon and they're headed home again. 550 00:30:37,300 --> 00:30:42,980 So between 12.30 and 2.30 is the prime time that burglars break in. 551 00:30:42,980 --> 00:30:48,300 And I just say post a sign in your yard that your house is being monitored by a security 552 00:30:48,300 --> 00:30:49,300 company. 553 00:30:49,300 --> 00:30:51,400 I've heard that's effective. 554 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:55,540 Even if you don't have a security system, you could start with that. 555 00:30:55,540 --> 00:31:01,300 However, some burglars say that this does not always deter them because they know how 556 00:31:01,300 --> 00:31:05,780 to dismantle wiring before they even enter the house. 557 00:31:05,780 --> 00:31:06,780 Wow. 558 00:31:06,780 --> 00:31:13,180 So I would say they're probably surveilling the house to see what your patterns are. 559 00:31:13,180 --> 00:31:16,620 I've heard that sometimes burglars will do that. 560 00:31:16,620 --> 00:31:21,300 If you're not at home, you should leave the TV on because burglars are going to take the 561 00:31:21,300 --> 00:31:26,700 side of caution when they hear that and leave because they believe that this signals that 562 00:31:26,700 --> 00:31:28,980 somebody is most likely home. 563 00:31:28,980 --> 00:31:30,820 So their odds are more against them. 564 00:31:30,820 --> 00:31:34,120 And then I've also seen that same thing with a car. 565 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:39,740 You should try to have an extra car in the driveway because burglars don't usually approach 566 00:31:39,740 --> 00:31:42,060 a house if the car is there. 567 00:31:42,060 --> 00:31:48,220 But what do you think is the number one effective deterrent for burglars shelves that I haven't 568 00:31:48,220 --> 00:31:49,220 mentioned yet? 569 00:31:49,220 --> 00:31:51,020 I'm going to say a dog. 570 00:31:51,020 --> 00:31:52,020 Okay, good guess. 571 00:31:52,020 --> 00:31:54,460 That is actually the number one deterrent. 572 00:31:54,460 --> 00:31:57,820 But question, big dog or little dog or both? 573 00:31:57,820 --> 00:31:58,820 Doesn't matter. 574 00:31:58,820 --> 00:32:00,300 I say one of each. 575 00:32:00,300 --> 00:32:01,300 Okay. 576 00:32:01,300 --> 00:32:04,860 Well, we know little dogs have big personalities, right? 577 00:32:04,860 --> 00:32:05,860 That's right. 578 00:32:05,860 --> 00:32:06,860 Nope. 579 00:32:06,860 --> 00:32:08,020 Big dogs, not the little ones. 580 00:32:08,020 --> 00:32:09,020 They could care less. 581 00:32:09,020 --> 00:32:12,100 I'm sure they can just kick them aside even if they're barking. 582 00:32:12,100 --> 00:32:13,180 Doesn't really matter. 583 00:32:13,180 --> 00:32:14,780 Little dogs bark all the time. 584 00:32:14,780 --> 00:32:16,340 They don't stop. 585 00:32:16,340 --> 00:32:21,480 Even if the neighbor heard the dog barking, they probably wouldn't think twice. 586 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:22,740 So big dogs. 587 00:32:22,740 --> 00:32:26,340 Well, here's something you may or may not know too. 588 00:32:26,340 --> 00:32:32,000 Floppy-eared dogs are not perceived to be as aggressive as pointy-eared dogs. 589 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,000 Did you know that? 590 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,260 No, I didn't know that, but that makes complete sense. 591 00:32:36,260 --> 00:32:42,780 So many schools, if they have a police dog there during the day, many of the dogs that 592 00:32:42,780 --> 00:32:49,940 they have are floppy-eared dogs because they want students in that building to not feel 593 00:32:49,940 --> 00:32:50,980 threatened. 594 00:32:50,980 --> 00:32:54,140 But in my case, you all, again, meet Dennis and Ava. 595 00:32:54,140 --> 00:32:55,220 I have one of each. 596 00:32:55,220 --> 00:32:58,900 I have a floppy-eared dog and a pointy-eared dog. 597 00:32:58,900 --> 00:33:05,820 But I will tell you, you're probably going to want to avoid Dennis because he's the one 598 00:33:05,820 --> 00:33:07,940 that is highly alert. 599 00:33:07,940 --> 00:33:08,940 Really? 600 00:33:08,940 --> 00:33:15,500 Well, he's the one that is highly alert and looks out the window and barks, but Ava will 601 00:33:15,500 --> 00:33:22,140 probably be the one to greet you at the door with a nice big grin. 602 00:33:22,140 --> 00:33:24,300 And I mean an aggressive grin. 603 00:33:24,300 --> 00:33:25,300 Yes. 604 00:33:25,300 --> 00:33:26,300 Now I can see that. 605 00:33:26,300 --> 00:33:29,540 Dennis would alert Ava and Ava would take charge from there. 606 00:33:29,540 --> 00:33:30,540 Absolutely. 607 00:33:30,540 --> 00:33:36,140 Now, some burglars say that cameras definitely deter them from attempting to break into your 608 00:33:36,140 --> 00:33:42,860 home, otherwise other burglars feel like it signals that you have valuables there. 609 00:33:42,860 --> 00:33:43,860 That's interesting. 610 00:33:43,860 --> 00:33:46,860 I don't know if I agree with that today, Shelby. 611 00:33:46,860 --> 00:33:53,020 I mean, it's impossible to go without some sort of security system anymore. 612 00:33:53,020 --> 00:33:57,940 There are lots of companies out there that offer inexpensive surveillance cameras. 613 00:33:57,940 --> 00:34:01,760 You don't have to go through one of those major monitoring companies anymore. 614 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,900 You just need to do your homework to see what's best for you. 615 00:34:04,900 --> 00:34:05,900 And that's it. 616 00:34:05,900 --> 00:34:09,460 This has been a long drawn out educational teachable moment. 617 00:34:09,460 --> 00:34:10,460 Oh. 618 00:34:10,460 --> 00:34:11,460 All right, Shelbs. 619 00:34:11,460 --> 00:34:13,020 Well, guess what? 620 00:34:13,020 --> 00:34:17,180 That is the end of the North Pond Hermit. 621 00:34:17,180 --> 00:34:21,300 Lock your doors, get a big dog and keep your TV on. 622 00:34:21,300 --> 00:34:27,500 I will 100% consider getting a big dog, but I refuse to leave my TV on. 623 00:34:27,500 --> 00:34:28,900 Why? 624 00:34:28,900 --> 00:34:29,900 Too much electricity? 625 00:34:29,900 --> 00:34:30,900 Yes. 626 00:34:30,900 --> 00:34:33,420 I unplug as much as I can. 627 00:34:33,420 --> 00:34:37,140 People leaving lights on annoys the heck out of me. 628 00:34:37,140 --> 00:34:40,500 You were a stickler about that when I was younger and now I do it to everybody else 629 00:34:40,500 --> 00:34:42,380 in the house. 630 00:34:42,380 --> 00:34:47,220 And I still am because honestly, you even need to unplug lights and things that you 631 00:34:47,220 --> 00:34:48,220 don't use. 632 00:34:48,220 --> 00:34:52,980 And I will tell you this, when I lived there in that town, I unplugged everything except 633 00:34:52,980 --> 00:34:58,780 for the lights that honestly, I think I probably even unplugged the lights until I went to 634 00:34:58,780 --> 00:35:03,580 go plug it into the wall instead of turning the notch to turn it on because believe it 635 00:35:03,580 --> 00:35:10,220 or not, it literally saved me probably $30 a month in electricity for things that I wasn't 636 00:35:10,220 --> 00:35:11,220 using every day. 637 00:35:11,220 --> 00:35:12,220 Yeah. 638 00:35:12,220 --> 00:35:13,220 And that adds up. 639 00:35:13,220 --> 00:35:16,020 Well, there you have it. 640 00:35:16,020 --> 00:35:18,260 So there's our story for the week. 641 00:35:18,260 --> 00:35:23,740 I'm glad that we could give you a refreshing storyline today, but definitely lock your 642 00:35:23,740 --> 00:35:24,740 doors. 643 00:35:24,740 --> 00:35:25,740 All right. 644 00:35:25,740 --> 00:35:26,740 Thanks everyone. 645 00:35:26,740 --> 00:35:29,140 We'll talk to you next week. 646 00:35:29,140 --> 00:35:30,140 Thank you. 647 00:35:30,140 --> 00:35:34,580 Thanks for listening to Dying to be Found. 648 00:35:34,580 --> 00:35:39,820 Before we go, we would love for you to leave a review on your favorite podcast platform. 649 00:35:39,820 --> 00:35:45,500 Be sure to follow us on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, and Pinterest at Dying to be Found. 650 00:35:45,500 --> 00:35:51,420 You can access our website, email, social media, and storyline request form by clicking 651 00:35:51,420 --> 00:35:54,180 on our Linktree account found in our show notes. 652 00:35:54,180 --> 00:35:59,700 If you like our episodes, consider buying us a coffee at buymeacoffee.com slash Dying 653 00:35:59,700 --> 00:36:02,940 to be Found spelled just like you see it on our logo. 654 00:36:02,940 --> 00:36:06,620 Feel free to message us on Instagram and let us know how we're doing. 655 00:36:06,620 --> 00:36:11,020 Or if you'd like a sticker with that, be sure to check us out every Thursday. 656 00:36:11,020 --> 00:36:28,100 Wherever you get your podcasts, we will talk to you all next week.