1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,040 Hi everyone, this is Deb from Dying to be Found. 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:07,840 Before we get started, I just wanted to say that episodes contain disturbing discussions 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:12,400 on harmful acts and crimes against animals and or humankind. 4 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:17,640 Recordings are not intended for young or sensitive audiences due to the content nature of this 5 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:18,640 podcast. 6 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:21,680 Listener discretion is strongly advised. 7 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:24,100 Hi everyone, my name is Deb. 8 00:00:24,100 --> 00:00:25,100 And I'm Shelby. 9 00:00:25,100 --> 00:00:28,400 We are so glad that you're here today at Dying to be Found. 10 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:34,000 I will mention if you are a regular listener, you may realize Beth has not been with us 11 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:39,680 for a couple weeks and that is because she is on a new venture attempting to start a 12 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:43,620 new business and she's going to put her heart and soul into that. 13 00:00:43,620 --> 00:00:48,680 She shouldn't be gone long, but we will of course have a few fill-ins. 14 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:50,340 But Shelby is here today. 15 00:00:50,340 --> 00:00:55,360 We always leave each of our episodes open to the interpretation of our listeners and 16 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:56,880 I'm not going to lie shelves. 17 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:01,300 Today's episode has a lot of interpretations. 18 00:01:01,300 --> 00:01:06,520 You all know I like to put everything into my research with every angle of our storylines 19 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:11,200 to be sure that what we talk about holds the most utmost integrity. 20 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:16,680 But there's a lot of speculation today coming from investigative agencies plus even the 21 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:18,360 news outlets. 22 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:21,400 Likely Shelby because this case is so bizarre. 23 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:22,400 And look at that. 24 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:23,400 I'm already speculating here. 25 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:24,400 I'm excited. 26 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:25,400 Let's get started. 27 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:29,960 Well, there's going to be somewhat of a blurred line in today's case. 28 00:01:29,960 --> 00:01:34,120 So I would love to know what our listeners think afterwards. 29 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:37,440 DM us on Instagram or shoot us an email for sure. 30 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:41,840 And besides that, we would love it if you could fill out a storyline request on our 31 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,760 Linktree account, which you can find in our show notes. 32 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:48,460 I do want to, as always, try to check in with my co-host. 33 00:01:48,460 --> 00:01:53,520 So I'm going to check in with my sweet daughter Shelby, who holds the same fascination with 34 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,560 true crime as I do, Shelby with Kat. 35 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:57,560 What is up? 36 00:01:57,560 --> 00:01:58,560 I can't wait to get started. 37 00:01:58,560 --> 00:01:59,560 Excellent. 38 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:00,560 Okay. 39 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:05,920 We are going to be talking about 31 year old Henry McCabe, who disappeared Shelby under 40 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:08,800 very mysterious circumstances. 41 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:16,520 Henry was born and raised in Liberia, West Africa, and experienced living in a war torn 42 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:21,080 country for 14 years before immigrating to the United States. 43 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:24,280 That has got to be difficult in itself. 44 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:30,560 He was outgoing and personable and held an auditor position with the Minnesota Department 45 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:36,240 of Revenue in Moundsview, Minnesota, which for our listeners, that's a metropolitan 46 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:41,880 suburb of the twin cities of Minneapolis and St. Paul, Minnesota. 47 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:49,640 Henry was just shy of his 32nd birthday and was married to Kareen McCabe for 11 years 48 00:02:49,640 --> 00:02:53,880 and had two beautiful daughters. 49 00:02:53,880 --> 00:03:00,920 On September 6th, 2015, Kareen and the girls were out of town trying to tie up some loose 50 00:03:00,920 --> 00:03:06,880 ends on a big move the family was about to make from Minnesota to California. 51 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:11,680 And Henry decided that this was a perfect time to go out clubbing with a couple of his 52 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:19,560 buddies at Povlitsky's Dance Club in Spring Lake Park, less than two miles from his home. 53 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:24,840 Henry enjoyed that evening out, closing down the bar before heading out for the night. 54 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:29,920 And as the group was leaving, Henry handed his keys over to his buddies so he would not 55 00:03:29,920 --> 00:03:33,800 drive and his wallet so that he would not buy any more alcohol. 56 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,320 I mean, that's pretty responsible, isn't it? 57 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:37,320 I agree. 58 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:42,560 William Kennedy, one of the guys that Henry had been out with that night, drove Henry 59 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:48,920 to a gas station per his request, but the gas station, oddly, was in the opposite direction 60 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:50,160 of his home. 61 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:56,000 From my understanding, Shelby, the gas station was not an extremely long distance from Henry's 62 00:03:56,000 --> 00:04:01,120 home, but it would take him just a little while to walk if he had to, because after 63 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:06,440 Henry was taken to the gas station, he told William to take off and he didn't need a ride 64 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:07,440 home. 65 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,680 Do you find anything unusual about that, Shelby, at this time of night? 66 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:11,680 I do. 67 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:19,440 He had given his wallet and keys to a friend, so why was he going to the gas station, is 68 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:20,440 what I'm wondering. 69 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:22,320 Yeah, that too. 70 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:23,320 Here we go. 71 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:25,960 This is a speculation that even comes in from authorities. 72 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:30,840 They're thinking, okay, it's two o'clock in the morning, 2.30, why is he getting dropped 73 00:04:30,840 --> 00:04:32,400 off at a gas station? 74 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:33,400 Right. 75 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,600 Not only that, but he's in the opposite direction of where he lives. 76 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:40,680 And why does he need to be dropped off and not taken home at that hour? 77 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:49,480 Yeah, well, in the early morning hours of September 7th, 2015, at approximately 2.28 78 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:57,680 AM, his wife, Corrine, received a terrifying voicemail on her cell phone, and for two long 79 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:05,440 minutes, Henry or someone calling from Henry's phone left a very bizarre message with indecipherable 80 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:11,120 noises and I did place the full version of this voicemail in our show notes. 81 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:17,540 It's the only YouTube video link that you're going to see, but I decided not to include 82 00:05:17,540 --> 00:05:22,120 this in our recording today because if you were to listen to it, Shelby, it is a little 83 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:23,260 disturbing. 84 00:05:23,260 --> 00:05:29,200 What could be heard on that voicemail was Henry whimpering and what sounded to be like 85 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:31,000 painful cries. 86 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:37,840 There was also weird growling and toward the end of the voicemail, someone yelled, stop 87 00:05:37,840 --> 00:05:43,000 it before a couple seconds of silence and then the line went dead. 88 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:44,000 How weird is that? 89 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,000 Just a lot of garbled noises. 90 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,000 That is very bizarre. 91 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:49,000 Yeah. 92 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:53,400 Although the entire voicemail had not been released, Henry could be heard saying that 93 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:57,080 he was caught in a struggle and had been shot. 94 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:58,800 That in itself is very weird. 95 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:02,080 Yeah, sounds like he was trying to call for help. 96 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:03,080 Absolutely. 97 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:08,440 And at some point in time, Henry could be heard saying the word Pappus during this recording, 98 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:13,560 which this could be a pretty big clue and I'm not going to tell you exactly why at this 99 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:17,720 very moment, but that word Pappus is going to come into play in just a little bit. 100 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:19,400 Now, this is me speculating. 101 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:25,600 I wonder if that has something to do, maybe it's like a phrase from his home country of 102 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:26,600 West Africa. 103 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:27,600 Yeah, a phrase. 104 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:29,520 That's a good speculation there. 105 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:36,240 Well, this recording had been sent to the FBI for further analysis, but to date since 106 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:37,240 what? 107 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:38,240 Did I say 2015? 108 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:39,240 Yes. 109 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:48,280 So to date since 2015, there is no further information on who may have left this message 110 00:06:48,280 --> 00:06:51,000 or the true meaning behind it. 111 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:56,640 And that's the mysterious part of this whole case is that not the authorities, not the 112 00:06:56,640 --> 00:07:05,040 FBI, not the local police, nobody has a good indication as to any information or meaning 113 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,600 behind this voicemail. 114 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:13,440 After a thorough search of Henry's cell phone records, authorities noted that pings from 115 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:20,120 Henry's cell phone showed that he was at some point in the vicinity of Creekview Park in 116 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:23,180 New Brighton, Minnesota the night he disappeared. 117 00:07:23,180 --> 00:07:24,400 And I did look at all this up. 118 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:30,680 I wanted to give our listeners, plus you Shelby, a little bit of a visual on exactly where 119 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,960 he was in the geographical region. 120 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:37,240 These areas are between four and six minutes. 121 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:41,500 I would say a four and six minute drive from Moundsview where Henry lived. 122 00:07:41,500 --> 00:07:46,520 And I'm mentioning this because I want you to understand how close Henry is to his own 123 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:47,520 home. 124 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:51,160 Even if it's walking distance in a car, four or six minutes, I would say that the drive 125 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:56,160 is short and it should probably not have taken Henry any more than 20 minutes to walk home. 126 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:59,280 That is very close to his home. 127 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:04,600 Henry had made a total of three calls that night within 30 minutes of each other. 128 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:08,660 One was to a friend whom Henry had told he was at home. 129 00:08:08,660 --> 00:08:13,320 So the friend said, well, okay, you're home, but it sure doesn't sound like it. 130 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:17,960 Cell phone towers pinged in Fridley, which was 10 minutes away. 131 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:22,240 It also pinged in Spring Lake Park about four minutes away. 132 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:25,800 And then also in New Brighton, six minutes away. 133 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,480 So these are all separate towns, Shelby. 134 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:34,000 And there was no way that Henry would be able to move from all of these locations without 135 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:35,400 being in a vehicle. 136 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:41,680 No further activity occurred on his cell phone or credit cards after he disappeared. 137 00:08:41,680 --> 00:08:47,120 And someone Shelby had disconnected his phone after Henry disappeared. 138 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:48,120 How odd is that? 139 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:49,120 Absolutely. 140 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:50,120 Yeah. 141 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:52,200 That just seems to be a little more personal. 142 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:53,200 Yeah. 143 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,120 Not only that, I think that cell phone companies have a process. 144 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,620 You can't just disconnect somebody's phone. 145 00:08:58,620 --> 00:09:03,780 You have to tell or at least prove who you are to say that you are the person who's shutting 146 00:09:03,780 --> 00:09:04,880 down that line. 147 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:06,280 So that makes no sense. 148 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:07,280 Right. 149 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:08,280 Yeah. 150 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:16,560 Well, on November 2nd, 2015, a kayaker out of Rice Creek Park in New Brighton, Minnesota, 151 00:09:16,560 --> 00:09:22,900 just north of Mounds View, came across a body floating face down on Rush Lake, approximately 152 00:09:22,900 --> 00:09:26,180 six miles from where Henry had been dropped off. 153 00:09:26,180 --> 00:09:32,540 News agencies followed this story stating that Rush Lake is just minutes away on foot 154 00:09:32,540 --> 00:09:34,240 from Henry's home. 155 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,360 So it would not be difficult for him to make his way there. 156 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:38,360 Sure. 157 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:39,700 So he wanted to take a midnight stroll. 158 00:09:39,700 --> 00:09:46,760 The area where Henry was recovered contained dense foliage, so some speculations out there 159 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:52,120 state how Henry may have gotten tangled if he were near the water and had been drinking 160 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:53,120 too much. 161 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,320 Now remember he went out with his friends that night. 162 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:56,320 Yeah. 163 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:57,920 That's so sad. 164 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:00,420 So let's talk about the autopsy. 165 00:10:00,420 --> 00:10:06,680 The body found by the kayaker turned out to be that of Henry McCabe, but according to 166 00:10:06,680 --> 00:10:14,160 the medical examiner, decomposition was so advanced that it took them two days to positively 167 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:15,320 identify him. 168 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,480 I had no idea that it would take that long. 169 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:19,480 Wow. 170 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:26,720 Henry's body showed no signs of struggles, no injuries, nor foul play that could have 171 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:32,280 caused his death, like the gunshot wounds mentioned during that voicemail that he had 172 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:33,560 left on his wife's phone. 173 00:10:33,560 --> 00:10:34,560 Yeah. 174 00:10:34,560 --> 00:10:35,560 I was just about to ask. 175 00:10:35,560 --> 00:10:36,560 Yeah. 176 00:10:36,560 --> 00:10:37,560 So how odd is that? 177 00:10:37,560 --> 00:10:40,560 That is extremely odd. 178 00:10:40,560 --> 00:10:46,600 The medical examiner ruled Henry's death as an accidental drowning, and this case remains 179 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:51,800 open with additional theories pointing to suicide or homicide. 180 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:58,120 Basically Shelby, there is no ruling other than accidental death at this point. 181 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:04,080 So that's kind of where the oddness comes in in this case is that you've got this weird 182 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:09,660 voicemail coming through and it's a two minute voicemail and there's all these things that 183 00:11:09,660 --> 00:11:14,600 are being said on there, but then how did he end up over there in the water? 184 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:16,200 And he's got no marks on him. 185 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:17,840 Yeah, that's what I'm wondering. 186 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:20,840 I think the voicemail definitely stands out. 187 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:28,720 I just find it interesting that the medical examiner didn't find any markings on his body. 188 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:33,920 So it makes me wonder maybe he accidentally tripped and maybe fell into the water, hit 189 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:34,920 his head. 190 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:35,920 I don't know. 191 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:36,920 So true. 192 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:37,920 Yeah. 193 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:44,160 Well, family members, including Henry's wife, Corrine adamantly deny that Henry was suicidal. 194 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:50,600 He held a successful job, never gave any indications that he would ever try to harm himself. 195 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:56,000 Corrine firmly believes that whoever called her from Henry's phone in the early morning 196 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,920 hours was that of her husband. 197 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:05,240 Now the chief executive of Minnesota community policing is a little bit different from the 198 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:07,640 regular police department, Shelby. 199 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:14,040 It's an advocating agency that partners with local police who specifically serve the Liberian 200 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:15,360 community. 201 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:19,180 They do not believe that Henry died by accidental drowning. 202 00:12:19,180 --> 00:12:25,120 There are a few theories out there that authorities believe could connect Henry's death to suspicious 203 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:26,120 activity. 204 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:31,040 Before I go over this though, I wanted to note that I couldn't find anything in my research 205 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:33,480 to link any of these connections. 206 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:39,560 So this is really where a lot of the speculation comes in from authorities and all, you know, 207 00:12:39,560 --> 00:12:41,400 even the medical examiner's office. 208 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:42,400 Yeah. 209 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:43,960 This is a very bizarre story. 210 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:45,440 All right. 211 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:52,640 So theory number one, which I'm going to bring in the coalition for justice of Liberia. 212 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:59,340 And I tried to look up information on this group and according to the IRS, it does exist 213 00:12:59,340 --> 00:13:04,940 as a not for profit organization, but there was not a ton of links that could give any 214 00:13:04,940 --> 00:13:07,400 information on their mission or cause. 215 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:13,200 So you know, I wanted to give our audience a little bit of information about this coalition 216 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:17,720 for justice, but I really couldn't find a ton of information. 217 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:21,520 So hopefully you guys will have better luck if you choose to go look that up. 218 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:28,960 The coalition for justice in Liberia did however, stand up for the injustices and compromise 219 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:36,560 of freedoms that Liberian citizens endured during a 14 year civil war between the years 220 00:13:36,560 --> 00:13:39,600 of 1989 and 1996. 221 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:46,100 And this is considered to be one of Africa's bloodiest wars and they even use child soldiers 222 00:13:46,100 --> 00:13:47,100 for their agenda, Shelby. 223 00:13:47,100 --> 00:13:48,100 What do you think of that? 224 00:13:48,100 --> 00:13:49,100 That's awful. 225 00:13:49,100 --> 00:13:51,800 I thought we were leaving children out of this today. 226 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:54,000 It is really, really bad. 227 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:55,800 Does that remind you of anything? 228 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:56,800 Who else use children? 229 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,240 Do you know who else use children? 230 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:02,840 Who else use children for their political agendas? 231 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,520 What country do you, you probably won't remember. 232 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:10,480 I actually, when I was in Washington DC, I got a little refresher course on this. 233 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:11,960 Oh no, I don't know. 234 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:12,960 Adolf Hitler. 235 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:14,960 Oh, World War II. 236 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:15,960 Oh wow. 237 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:18,320 No, I don't think I would have known that. 238 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:24,040 He really, really went after kids and with his agenda so that as they aged, you know, 239 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:29,760 when you start kids young and you're teaching them certain doctrines, then you're going 240 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:30,760 to believe that. 241 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:32,160 Yeah, that's why I mentioned that. 242 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:38,760 Now I mentioned Henry had immigrated to America during this time of that civil war to give 243 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:40,880 you a perspective on this. 244 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:49,040 Henry was amongst 200,000 Liberians who became refugees and were displaced into different 245 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:50,040 countries. 246 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:54,520 So I will say this, I do remember back in the day when I was working in the corporate 247 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:58,680 world, we hired a lot of people from Liberia at that time. 248 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:04,200 And I do know for a fact that some of them had paperwork showing that they were refugees. 249 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:08,620 So being ignorant of the fact of really what was going on back then, I'm going to say 250 00:15:08,620 --> 00:15:14,420 that some of the people that the company I worked for, they probably hired some of these 251 00:15:14,420 --> 00:15:16,380 displaced citizens. 252 00:15:16,380 --> 00:15:23,100 The Coalition for Justice in Liberia quickly became involved in Henry's case because 253 00:15:23,100 --> 00:15:29,200 Henry was an activist for their organization before immigrating to the United States. 254 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:35,420 According to the coalition, Henry could have succumbed to ties associated with violent 255 00:15:35,420 --> 00:15:41,480 groups out of Liberia and connected to the civil war agenda. 256 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:46,040 And these groups were known to kill senselessly and with no remorse. 257 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:49,800 Didn't matter where they were, if they were in the United States and they had the right 258 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:52,240 ties, they would come after anyone. 259 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:59,020 The coalition believes that the Liberian militia may have come after Henry because he was very 260 00:15:59,020 --> 00:16:04,960 vocal about what was happening in his home country and those civil war efforts. 261 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:11,120 The Minnesota Community Policing Services is partnering with Minnesota police to work 262 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:19,040 with the Liberian community in Minnesota and is offering a $5,000 reward for any information 263 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:21,840 leading to an arrest in Henry's case. 264 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:22,840 So that's good. 265 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:28,160 They have advocates working on this case, so hopefully they will find some closure on 266 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:29,160 this. 267 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:30,160 Yeah. 268 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:34,580 There's not a whole lot of substance to these connections between Henry and the Liberian 269 00:16:34,580 --> 00:16:38,600 civil war groups, but it's definitely food for thought. 270 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:43,880 And the Coalition for Justice in Liberia felt that there was enough activity for them to 271 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:45,720 get involved with Henry's case. 272 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:47,480 Yeah, that's really interesting. 273 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:49,560 I think it's a very interesting theory. 274 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:56,120 I'm curious to know how he was being vocal about what was happening in Liberia. 275 00:16:56,120 --> 00:17:01,960 And I think that would maybe make this theory make a little more sense to me just in the 276 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:06,600 manner of how he was killed and what the medical examiner said. 277 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:12,560 I just feel like if the groups out of Liberia, if they're saying that they're so violent, 278 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:18,120 I feel like his death would have been more violent, if that makes sense. 279 00:17:18,120 --> 00:17:20,780 Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. 280 00:17:20,780 --> 00:17:25,200 But according to the voicemail, if you were to listen to it, you would think he died a 281 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,180 violent death for sure. 282 00:17:27,180 --> 00:17:33,720 But that's where the controversy comes in, because he was found with no marks on him. 283 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:35,800 Well, I'll have to go listen to that. 284 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:38,800 Yeah, that's where things get really interesting here. 285 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:46,080 Well, theory number two involves one of Henry's friends named William Kennedy, and police 286 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:51,440 interviewed William, who was also from Liberia, which I thought was interesting. 287 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:52,440 That is interesting. 288 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:56,920 I wonder if they were refugees together and came over together. 289 00:17:56,920 --> 00:18:01,560 Interesting question, because William stated that he was just a mere acquaintance, I'm 290 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:07,160 sure, because there was a Liberian community in the area that Henry was living. 291 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,840 They probably met each other through that community. 292 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:13,640 And William did state that he was just an acquaintance. 293 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:15,240 Oh, that makes sense. 294 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:16,240 Yeah. 295 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:20,360 So William stated that he was just a mere acquaintance, because I would assume with 296 00:18:20,360 --> 00:18:24,500 the area that Henry lived, there was a Liberian community. 297 00:18:24,500 --> 00:18:29,240 So I'm sure that they met each other through whatever activities were going on in their 298 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:30,240 town. 299 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:35,960 But William stated that their group, including Henry, stayed until the bar had closed that 300 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:36,960 night. 301 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:43,480 Then around 2 28 a.m., he had dropped Henry off at a Super America gas station in the 302 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:46,160 opposite direction from where Henry lived. 303 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:51,920 The police reviewed Super America gas station surveillance footage, but they did not show 304 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:56,480 any evidence that Henry was on the premises the night he disappeared. 305 00:18:56,480 --> 00:19:03,040 William came across as somewhat confused and later stated that he dropped Henry off at 306 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:06,960 a different gas station, but was not sure which one. 307 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:12,560 Police were able to find footage at Holiday gas station off of Central Ave and Hackman 308 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:18,240 Avenue, approximately five minutes away from the Super America gas station. 309 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:20,280 Now, I will tell you this, Shelby. 310 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:26,520 I saw the pictures of both of these stations and to me, they actually looked rather similar 311 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:31,520 as far as the size, the makeup, the color schemes of both gas stations. 312 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:33,000 Very, very similar. 313 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:38,320 And if these guys were clubbing and out drinking, do you think it might be possible that William 314 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:42,040 might have mixed the gas stations up if he was slightly under the influence? 315 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:44,760 Do you think there's a possibility of that? 316 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:45,760 Oh, absolutely. 317 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:51,440 It seems like they were drinking for quite some time, so I would imagine it might have 318 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,920 been difficult for him to remember which gas station they were at. 319 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:56,160 Yeah, that makes sense. 320 00:19:56,160 --> 00:20:01,000 Well, remember when I mentioned that the voicemail, someone said the word Pappas? 321 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:04,520 I do, and I've been waiting on the answer to this. 322 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:05,520 Okay. 323 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:08,520 Well, William Kennedy's nickname was Pappas. 324 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:09,520 What do you think of that? 325 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:11,520 Oh, wow. 326 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:16,720 Also, remember when I mentioned that Henry's buddies took his car keys and wallet so that 327 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:18,200 Henry wouldn't drive? 328 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:19,200 Yes. 329 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:20,800 William was in possession of those car keys. 330 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,800 I mean, it's not odd to me. 331 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:25,600 He didn't want to drive home. 332 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:26,880 I don't know. 333 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:27,880 It's interesting. 334 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:33,000 It doesn't seem odd to me because Henry gave him the keys. 335 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:34,000 True. 336 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,720 He gave him the keys, but how is he going to get into his house? 337 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:39,880 What do you usually have on your key chain? 338 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:40,880 Car keys? 339 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:41,880 Oh, yeah. 340 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,120 Yeah, your house key. 341 00:20:44,120 --> 00:20:49,120 So at some point in time, you would think that William probably should have taken him 342 00:20:49,120 --> 00:20:50,720 all the way home. 343 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:54,520 Otherwise, Henry would not be able to get into his own house. 344 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:55,520 That's very true. 345 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:56,520 Yeah. 346 00:20:56,520 --> 00:21:00,920 I wonder if maybe an argument had started between the two of them. 347 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:02,200 No idea. 348 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:06,960 I can't say that that happened simply because the police were able to find that footage 349 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:10,240 from the other gas station and there was no mention of that. 350 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:13,560 So I think that William was just doing the right thing. 351 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:17,100 If you asked somebody just to drop you off, you'd find your way home. 352 00:21:17,100 --> 00:21:19,160 Maybe you wanted to take that midnight stroll. 353 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:20,560 Would you just leave your buddy there? 354 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,420 Would you just let somebody drive away? 355 00:21:23,420 --> 00:21:25,520 Would you let somebody drop you off? 356 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,240 Well, let me do this from the driver's perspective. 357 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:34,640 If we went out for the night and you wanted to be dropped off, never mind that we're related 358 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:39,560 here and I love you deeply and I would never leave you out in those conditions, but would 359 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:41,760 you leave somebody behind? 360 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:45,520 He could have possibly forgotten that he had those keys. 361 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:46,520 Absolutely not. 362 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:48,960 Not at 2.30 in the morning. 363 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:49,960 I know. 364 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,320 See, that's where the oddness comes into me. 365 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:56,960 So let me talk about some additional findings from police investigations. 366 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:02,640 To me, they don't really hold up much for anything except for maybe this first one and 367 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:08,880 I'll explain as to why I'm not going to agree with a lot of these speculations. 368 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:14,440 Police continue to investigate the mysterious case of Henry McCabe and found out that some 369 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,760 of his friends were using encrypted cell phone numbers. 370 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:18,760 That's interesting. 371 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:20,160 It is interesting. 372 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:24,260 I don't find this to be too out of the ordinary, Shelby, but here's why. 373 00:22:24,260 --> 00:22:29,120 You know our family members are scattered all around the world and it's virtually impossible 374 00:22:29,120 --> 00:22:33,600 to communicate over cell phones or direct lines because of the expense. 375 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:34,600 I do. 376 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,080 Well, do you use WhatsApp? 377 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,160 I do not, but I've heard of it. 378 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,880 Well, I use it to communicate with Aunt Beth in Canada. 379 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:47,320 Today you can actually do voice calls and video calls on that app. 380 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:51,600 So it's just like FaceTime or anything, any of these other apps that you're going to do 381 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:58,180 video calls and WhatsApp encrypts messages between the callers so that you can call or 382 00:22:58,180 --> 00:23:00,520 video anyone in the world. 383 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:06,160 So if Henry's friends were using any kind of encrypted numbers on their phones, they 384 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:11,720 could have easily been using some kind of app that's similar or it could have been WhatsApp, 385 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:15,880 but anything that allowed them to talk to people overseas like I do. 386 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,240 That's why I don't see that that's really out of the ordinary. 387 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:22,280 No, it doesn't seem very out of the ordinary at all. 388 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:26,920 In case you don't know this, many of our cell phones have that encryption feature. 389 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:28,960 You would just need to go to your settings. 390 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:34,800 But in the meantime, I use other apps or other services that have encryption as well just 391 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:36,560 to keep things a little bit more secure. 392 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:37,560 That's interesting. 393 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,360 I did not know that. 394 00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:40,360 Yeah. 395 00:23:40,360 --> 00:23:41,400 Example, ProtonMail. 396 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:46,060 If you have any emails that you want encrypted, then you should be using that service as well. 397 00:23:46,060 --> 00:23:52,680 There were also other speculations in Henry's death, but I found very little to give substance 398 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,560 to these theories. 399 00:23:54,560 --> 00:24:00,080 For example, Henry and his wife were having marital problems, which was causing Henry 400 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:04,880 to act a little more recklessly than he usually would. 401 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:10,280 And another theory, Shelby, which I thought was somewhat interesting is that Henry was 402 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:16,320 attacked by a wild animal and that's where those weird growling noises came in on the 403 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:17,320 voicemail. 404 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,120 But where are the marks? 405 00:24:19,120 --> 00:24:20,120 Exactly. 406 00:24:20,120 --> 00:24:26,280 Henry's autopsy concluded that he did not have any signs of trauma or physical attacks. 407 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:30,520 You can assume too that that would include animal bites or scratches. 408 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:31,520 I would think so. 409 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:36,400 I mean, I was wondering maybe a snake bite or possibly a spider. 410 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:37,880 I mean, I don't know. 411 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,440 It's a good question. 412 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,640 Now this is a weird one. 413 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,420 And Aunt Beth, this one's for you. 414 00:24:44,420 --> 00:24:51,260 If you are listening, some say that something supernatural occurred and Henry met his fate 415 00:24:51,260 --> 00:24:53,440 with something supernatural. 416 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,560 I don't know if you believe in that, Shelby. 417 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:56,560 I do. 418 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:57,560 100%. 419 00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:58,560 Really? 420 00:24:58,560 --> 00:24:59,560 Yes. 421 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:00,560 100%. 422 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:01,560 Really? 423 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:02,560 That's interesting. 424 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:03,560 Do you have experiences? 425 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,440 Are you just from what you've seen and learned over the years? 426 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:16,080 I don't, but I like to watch videos on Facebook or YouTube about that kind of stuff. 427 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,840 So yeah, I believe in it. 428 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:19,840 Yeah. 429 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,360 I actually do to a certain extent as well. 430 00:25:22,360 --> 00:25:23,800 Side note, people, here we go. 431 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:25,400 I'd love to tell my stories. 432 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:29,160 Remember that old farmhouse that I used to live in before you were born? 433 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:30,160 Yes, I do. 434 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:31,160 Yeah. 435 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:36,660 Well, I was sitting on the front porch there talking to your dad and I think some weird 436 00:25:36,660 --> 00:25:42,640 flying thing from the sky came into view and hovered for what seemed to be like 10 minutes 437 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:49,200 because while we were sitting there talking, it just hovered. 438 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,680 I would compare it to something like you would see with a drone. 439 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,960 You know how they can just stay in one spot? 440 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:55,960 Yeah. 441 00:25:55,960 --> 00:26:00,680 Well, I was looking up and watching it and I was really distracted by it. 442 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,640 I even asked a couple of times, what is that thing? 443 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,720 I specifically remember saying, what is that? 444 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:12,340 And Shelby, I went into the house to grab a camera and as soon as I came out to take 445 00:26:12,340 --> 00:26:14,100 a picture, it took off. 446 00:26:14,100 --> 00:26:15,600 So how weird is that? 447 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:16,600 Wow. 448 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:17,600 That is weird. 449 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,840 You haven't told me that story before. 450 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:20,840 Hold on. 451 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:21,840 Sorry. 452 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:22,840 Hold on. 453 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:23,840 No problem. 454 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:28,600 I'm going to have to write some of these down for the future. 455 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:29,600 All right. 456 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:30,600 Sorry. 457 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:31,600 No worries. 458 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,600 I wonder if dad remembers this story. 459 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:35,600 I don't know. 460 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,200 You'll have to ask him. 461 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:38,200 I will. 462 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:43,040 You might want to remind him this was in the early nineties because I suppose it could 463 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:44,680 have been a government aircraft. 464 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:49,880 I'm not really sure why it would be in my area, but if not, it was definitely a UFO 465 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:50,880 and I'm here to tell the story. 466 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:51,880 That's interesting. 467 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:52,880 Thank you for sharing. 468 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:57,360 See, you're learning a little bit more about your mother, aren't you? 469 00:26:57,360 --> 00:26:58,360 I am. 470 00:26:58,360 --> 00:27:01,760 She believes in UFOs. 471 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:02,760 To an extent. 472 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:03,880 To an extent. 473 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,760 Because I have no verification that that was a UFO. 474 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:07,760 All right. 475 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:13,120 Other theories included the idea that Henry was facing trouble at work, meaning that he 476 00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:18,320 was showing low performance reviews and he may have also been experiencing some money 477 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:22,560 problems in which he was trying to find a way out of. 478 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:28,120 And last but not least, some say that several of the noises heard on Henry's voicemail 479 00:27:28,120 --> 00:27:32,200 could possibly occur while someone was overdosing. 480 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,920 I thought that was quite interesting. 481 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,520 Oh, that is interesting. 482 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:38,760 I hadn't thought of that. 483 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:39,760 I know. 484 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:44,840 And not really sure I believe it, but is any of this case believable at this point? 485 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:45,840 No. 486 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:46,840 I know, right? 487 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,640 But it seems to me like he was found. 488 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:50,640 What was it? 489 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:56,080 A month or so after he had originally went missing. 490 00:27:56,080 --> 00:28:02,320 And I don't really know from experience, but I believe that certain drugs only stay in 491 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:06,760 your system for, I don't know, so many days or you know what I'm saying? 492 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:11,960 So I agree with you with what you just said, but that would be only in the case, Shelby, 493 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:13,320 if you have a heartbeat. 494 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:17,640 I think that once your heart stops, absolutely everything shuts down. 495 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:23,240 So I would think that the autopsy would show that he had drugs in his system. 496 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:28,240 And there was nothing in my reports that stated that he had any kind of drugs when he had 497 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,800 that, when the autopsy took place. 498 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,280 Oh, yeah. 499 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:33,280 Interesting. 500 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:34,880 That would make sense. 501 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,920 Again, I'm not a medical doctor, but it could be, who knows? 502 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:43,340 In a nutshell, that's the mysterious events of Henry McCabe. 503 00:28:43,340 --> 00:28:49,480 If you or someone you know has information on Henry's case, please contact the Mounds 504 00:28:49,480 --> 00:29:03,520 View Police Department at 763-717-4070 or the Ramsey County Sheriff's Office at 651-767-0640. 505 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:04,920 So there you have it. 506 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:05,920 That's Henry McCabe. 507 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,080 I do hope someone comes forward. 508 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:09,080 I do. 509 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:10,560 Well, thank you for sharing. 510 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:11,560 Yeah. 511 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:16,400 I mean, the case is only from 2015, so there's still hope. 512 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,320 Yeah, not even 10 years ago. 513 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:19,320 Yeah, not even. 514 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:24,640 So yeah, I think that there's still a lot of wiggle room where we can certainly find 515 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:25,640 some answers. 516 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:31,380 I know that his wife really, really would love to see if this case can be closed so 517 00:29:31,380 --> 00:29:33,260 that she can have closure. 518 00:29:33,260 --> 00:29:34,260 And daughters too. 519 00:29:34,260 --> 00:29:36,400 Oh gosh, yes. 520 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:37,880 So that's Henry McCabe. 521 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:38,880 All right. 522 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,160 Do you have a teachable moment for us today? 523 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:42,160 I do. 524 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:47,040 I think the best thing that I can say here is that William Kennedy and his buddies did 525 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,380 the right thing by taking Henry's keys away. 526 00:29:50,380 --> 00:29:53,760 We should always make sure that our friends arrive alive. 527 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,720 And I kind of touched on this already, Shelby. 528 00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:02,440 I don't think that given the geographics of where William dropped Henry off was too 529 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:07,760 alarming given that he was probably just within a mile or two radius of his home. 530 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:14,240 However, it's important to use your own judgment and ask questions or even insist on driving 531 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,700 friends the entire distance home. 532 00:30:16,700 --> 00:30:23,160 My example here is it was 2 30 in the morning when Henry was dropped off at the gas station. 533 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:28,280 Plus, you know that he was inebriated or else his friends wouldn't have taken his keys 534 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:29,480 and wallet away. 535 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:33,380 So my question here is why was Henry dropped off? 536 00:30:33,380 --> 00:30:35,080 Did he want a midnight snack? 537 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:36,080 Who knows? 538 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:40,040 To make story short, Shelby, I don't think William did anything wrong and neither did 539 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,580 the police because they cleared him of any wrongdoing. 540 00:30:43,580 --> 00:30:49,240 But we definitely need to be aware of our friends conditions after a night out before 541 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,960 leaving them unaccompanied in the wee hours of the morning. 542 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:53,960 So that's my teachable moment. 543 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:54,960 Yeah, I totally agree. 544 00:30:54,960 --> 00:31:01,720 I am one if I ever go out with friends, I always ask them to text me or call me as soon 545 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,400 as they get home just so that I know that they're okay. 546 00:31:04,400 --> 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