1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,360 Hi everyone, this is Deb from Dying to be Found. Before we get started, I just wanted to say that 2 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:11,840 episodes contain disturbing discussions on harmful acts and crimes against animals and or humankind. 3 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:17,520 Recordings are not intended for young or sensitive audiences due to the content nature of this podcast. 4 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:19,920 Listener discretion is strongly advised. 5 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:30,240 Well, hello everyone. Welcome to episode number 31 of Dying to be Found. My name is Deb. 6 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:31,440 And I'm Beth. 7 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:37,120 And we are so glad that you're here today. Beth, I'm going to start off today by offering my 8 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:43,200 condolences to you on the passing of Queen Elizabeth. Holy cow, I was put into shock when 9 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:48,640 somebody came into my room and talked to me about that. And my heart goes out to the royal family 10 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:53,120 and the Commonwealth. So I just wanted to let you know that you were on my mind this week. 11 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:59,440 Well, thank you very much. It is a very sad time right now. And I see that the funeral is going to 12 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:04,320 be on the 19th. So I'm working three to 11 and we'll be able to watch that. 13 00:01:04,320 --> 00:01:12,640 Oh, good. So I'm thinking back to, oh goodness, all of the era of Princess Diana, her wedding, 14 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:19,040 her funeral. And I will say at that point in my life, I was able to see both of those events, 15 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:26,640 but it's opposite, aren't they? About eight hours ahead of us. Five hours. Okay. Wow. Okay. 16 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:34,480 Yeah. So I was thinking about you this week and wanted to offer my thoughts on that. And I know 17 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:40,000 we've gone off in a couple of different directions in the past couple episodes. So I'm trying to put 18 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:44,640 myself in check here and move on with our case for the week. Is there anything you want to say 19 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:50,960 before we get started? No, I don't think so today. Okay. Well, I'm excited because Beth is taking the 20 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:57,360 reins today. And I'll tell you, you never fail to bring me interesting stories that I've never 21 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:03,120 heard of before we talk about them. And I know that this episode is not going to be disappointing. 22 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:08,720 The only thing I don't like about this, Beth, is the title, which is the acid bath murders. 23 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:13,120 The reason I don't like it is because my imagination is really getting the best of me, 24 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:20,800 just with the title. I'm excited to hear it and very intrigued on the occurrences, but I want to 25 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:27,200 know how did you find this story? Well, it intrigued me as a teenager when mom and dad visited England 26 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:33,360 and they went to Madame Tussaud's wax museum in London, England. And when they showed me the 27 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:40,640 pamphlet, it just intrigued me, but I never gave it a thought afterwards until now. Oh, good. Okay. 28 00:02:40,640 --> 00:02:46,320 I remember their trip. I think I was pretty young. You were, but I do remember them coming home with 29 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:52,080 those pamphlets. And I'll tell you, I've been very intrigued with wax museums based on what they 30 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:57,280 showed us. And I've been to a few of those myself, which is really, really cool. Have you ever been 31 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:04,880 to a wax museum? No, I would like to. Yeah, you need to. It's very cool. I mean, so realistic. 32 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:11,200 Awesome. Until mom and dad brought those pamphlets home, I never heard of wax figures. And what I saw 33 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:16,880 in the pamphlet was so realistic. One of the figures in the pamphlet was John Hague. The little 34 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:22,320 wrap-up sounded horrific. And after I saw the pamphlet, I never gave it a second thought until 35 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:28,640 this past week when I wrote up the following for you. So really thinking back, that was the inspiration 36 00:03:28,640 --> 00:03:34,800 for what we're talking about today? Sure is. Okay. I'm excited. I can't wait. Wait, I'm really not 37 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:39,840 excited about hearing about death, but okay, Beth, I can't wait to hear what you've got to tell us 38 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:46,480 today. These are the facts about the acid bath killer, who was later found out to be John George 39 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:54,640 Hague. John was born on July 24th, 1909 in Stamford, Lincolnshire, England, to John Robert Hague and 40 00:03:54,640 --> 00:04:00,320 Emily Hague. Robert and Emily were members of the Plymouth Brethren and a conservative Protestant 41 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:06,240 sect. What does all that mean? So it means a radical ideology in the religious sector. They don't 42 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:13,040 believe in the mainstream ideas. Okay. That brings to mind a few different religions that I'm aware 43 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:19,200 of that I've actually researched a little bit. I get it. And for those who know about Jonestown. 44 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:26,800 Okay. I gotcha. And we don't know much about his childhood. There wasn't much written, 45 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:32,160 but I'm going to talk about his childhood and what we do know. Okay. So during his childhood, 46 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:38,640 his parents were very strict. They sure were. Get this. They built a seven foot high fence all around 47 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:45,040 the house. So this would not let any children over to play. I mean, I wonder why though, Beth, 48 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:53,600 because even back in what was it 1909? Yes. Yeah. People should have known during that era that we 49 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:58,800 are social creatures, Beth, and that's part of building who we are. You've got to let kids 50 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:04,480 socialize with each other because those interactions are what helped to develop social skills that are 51 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:12,320 lifelong. You know what I mean? I do. And I believe the same thing. I can't imagine being walled up 52 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:17,360 with a seven foot fence because I think that just changes your personality and who you are. 53 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:24,320 Absolutely. Yeah. You're isolated. Yes. So Deb Haake was also bullied at school, but instead of 54 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:31,040 fighting back, he took out his own frustration on animals and we know how you feel about animals. 55 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:38,960 Oh gosh. Yeah. One time he even chased a pig around in its stye until it died from exhaustion. 56 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:45,440 What? Yeah. Okay. I don't know how big the stye was, but how long did it take for him to chase 57 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:51,040 that poor animal? That's really, really cruel. It is very cruel. I thought that when I was 58 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:57,600 reading it and putting this report together, Haake said he suffered from recurring religious 59 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:03,760 nightmares in his childhood as well. Okay. So you said that his parents had radical beliefs. So did 60 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:10,880 he give any specifics? Only that he had religious nightmares and he came out, I didn't write in the 61 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:20,720 report, as he was an older man, he mentioned it too, that he did these vicious deaths by having 62 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:29,040 religious nightmares. So it was connected to his nightmares. Yes. Oh wow. All right. Keep going. 63 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:34,400 Haake was a very talented piano player and he learned that when he was homeschooled, 64 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:40,080 which surprises me that he was homeschooled. So then he even had less of a connection with people. 65 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:46,800 Yeah. I mean, if he's already kept in that seven foot fence, that surprises me too. He was delighted 66 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:53,600 to listen to classical music and often attended concerts. Haake made friends wherever he went. 67 00:06:53,600 --> 00:07:00,480 People loved him. That's interesting because, Beth, you just said that he was bullied in school. Oh, 68 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:05,680 wait a minute though. I wonder if that's why he began getting homeschooled, because you said he 69 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:12,960 was bullied in school? Yes. That sounds very plausible. Okay. Now listen too. This case is 70 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:18,320 already starting to remind me of Charles Albright. Do you remember him? The eyeball killer? Yes. 71 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:26,080 Yeah. So we talked about him in episode 12 and Albright was also musically inclined, but he was 72 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:33,600 polite. And like you said with Haake, he's making friends very easily. So do you think this could be 73 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:39,440 something along the lines of them being charmed? Oh gosh, Beth, this just reminds me of so many 74 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:46,000 people we've talked about already. So it's like a magnetic or charming personality that attracts 75 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:52,720 these people. It is. So that's like being a car salesman. They're smooth talkers and they're 76 00:07:52,720 --> 00:08:00,400 pleasant. People love them. So true. Deb Haake was very intelligent as well. He won a scholarship to 77 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:07,360 the Queen Elizabeth Grammar School in Wakefield, England. Then he attended Wakefield Cathedral, 78 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:13,840 where he became a choir boy. Later, Haake apprenticed as an engineer. Do you know what 79 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:21,680 kind of engineer he was or apprenticed? No, it never mentioned. Okay. However, he lasted a year 80 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:27,840 in his apprenticeship and eventually switched paths to pursue insurance and advertising. There 81 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:33,600 you go. There's that smooth operator coming to play. Yep. Cause he's working the sales. There you 82 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:42,480 go. Yeah. Unfortunately, as a 21 year old, he was fired for being suspected of stealing from a cash 83 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:49,280 box. Oh wow. Okay. Well, you know what though, because I'll tell you, Shelby has a degree in 84 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:55,760 accounting and this is something I actually warned her about Beth is because you hear so many things 85 00:08:55,760 --> 00:09:00,800 in the news where you've got crooks in the accounting and finance industry because they get 86 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:06,640 greedy. And I told Shelby in no way do I believe she would ever do this because Shelby, I raised 87 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:11,520 you right and you're a good girl, but you know, when you get around a lot of money, people just 88 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:17,200 tend to get greedy. And if you remember what happened with Enron, that's a classic example 89 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:21,840 of people getting greedy when they get around money. So I'm kind of glad that he already got 90 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:28,400 fired at the age of 21 because if he was doing that at 21, what would he be doing later? You're 91 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:36,880 right. That's so true. On July 6th, 1934, Haig married Beatrice or Betty Hamer, but it didn't 92 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:43,920 take the marriage long to fall apart. Oh, as it was falling apart, Haig was jailed for fraud. 93 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:49,920 While in prison, Betty had a baby and gave it up for adoption. I wonder why she would have done 94 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:54,480 that because she already knew that she's going to get a divorce. Sorry, Deb. I don't know any 95 00:09:54,480 --> 00:10:00,240 answers to that, but his conservative family ostracized John from that point forward. 96 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:05,520 Huh. I mean, okay. So sounds to me like he's been criticized his whole life already. 97 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:10,400 Yes. He could have had a lot of anger built up with those anger issues. 98 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:17,840 All right. Well, Deb, in 1936, at the age of 27, Haig moved to London and became a chauffeur 99 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:23,760 to William McSwan, the wealthy owner of an amusement arcade. And he maintained McSwan's 100 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:30,080 amusement machines as well. From that time forward, Haig pretended to be a solicitor named 101 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:38,960 William Cato Adamson and falsely said he had six offices. He also sold fraudulent stock shares, 102 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:45,200 reported to be from estates of the deceased families at below market rates. What do you think 103 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:52,320 of that? Okay. So he's going to draw people in with his debonair personality, and he's going to 104 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:58,240 make things sound much, much better than they are. Okay. Yeah. He's classic, classic salesman. 105 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:02,640 And it was like our earlier episode on H. H. Holmes. 106 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:09,040 Yes. I was thinking about him a couple minutes ago when I said that this was starting to sound 107 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:14,000 like several of the episodes that we've already done. If you guys have not gone to listen to our 108 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:20,240 H. H. Holmes episode, wow. You just, you'll start seeing patterns, but you got to go listen to that 109 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:26,160 one. Well, when you think about it, Ted Bundy was the same way too with Charmer. So they must have 110 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:30,160 that all that same personality. Narcissism. Oh. 111 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:36,400 Do you think? Yes. I think you're right. Yeah. Another thing too, Beth, since you're bringing 112 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:43,120 that up, what I find so interesting is that these guys are really intelligent. And to me, 113 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:49,600 it's such a shame that they're using it in such dark and devious ways, but what would life have 114 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:55,600 been like if they actually use their intelligence in a positive light? You know what I mean? 115 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:59,920 Yes, I do. That would be awesome. The world would be a great place. 116 00:12:00,560 --> 00:12:07,520 Absolutely. Hague's scheme was discovered by someone who noticed a very simple error on Hague's part. 117 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:13,760 You'll never believe this. He had misspelled the city of Guilford on the letterhead. 118 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:21,920 Oh gosh. Wow. That's so minute. Okay. He was that intelligent and he overlooked something so simple. 119 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:26,720 Yeah. Well, it doesn't sound like him, does it? No. Wow. Okay. 120 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:32,640 One little mistake and zap. Yeah. So he got discovered with all that fraud. Okay. 121 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:39,360 And for his crime, he served four years in prison for fraud. Hague was released just at the start 122 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:45,520 of the second world war and continued to commit fraud, was again found out and spent several more 123 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:53,280 terms of imprisonment. What a waste. I just find it so hard to believe that they get put into prison 124 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:59,920 once, even twice, three times. And yet no matter how many times they spend time behind bars, 125 00:12:59,920 --> 00:13:07,360 they come out and do exactly the same thing. They do. And Deb, Hague regretted that victims he 126 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:13,840 targeted lived to accuse him and soon became intrigued by French murderer, George Alexander 127 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:20,000 Saronne, who disposed of bodies using sulfuric acid. Hague was so intrigued that he experimented 128 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:26,960 with mice and soon discovered sulfuric acid dissolved the bodies of the mice. Holy cow. 129 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:32,720 What did he do? Did he just start researching kind of like how you have a criminal that when the FBI 130 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:37,760 comes to get their computer, if they saw what was on my computer right now. So you're telling me he 131 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:44,080 started researching how to murder people and use the, what was it, Serat as a role model? Bingo. 132 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:53,200 Wow. And in 1943, by the time Hague was 34, he was released from prison and became an accountant 133 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:59,360 with get this an engineering firm. Okay. So he's kind of going with what he knows, accounting and 134 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:07,360 engineering. That's true. Shortly after he ran into his former employer, William McSwann in the pub, 135 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:12,880 McSwann introduced his parents, Donald and Amy. McSwann worked for his parents collecting rents 136 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:18,800 on the London properties and Hague was very impressed by their lifestyle. Sure, because they 137 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:28,240 probably had a little bit of money. On September 6th, 1944, McSwann disappeared. Oh no. Hague later 138 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:34,320 admitted that he lured McSwann to the basement, hit him over the head with a lead pipe and then 139 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:44,800 put his body into a 40 imperial gallon or 180 liters or 48 US gallons. He put them in a drum 140 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:52,160 with concentrated sulfuric acid. Holy moly. Within two days, McSwann's body was almost completely 141 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:59,440 dissolved and Hague disposed of his remains into a manhole. That's really random. Did Hague give any 142 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:05,600 reason why he murdered McSwann? No, he didn't give any reason, at least from what I've read. We both 143 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:11,840 can figure it out through the money. Oh yeah. You'll find a little bit more coming up. So Hague told 144 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:18,000 McSwann's parents that their son had gone into hiding in Scotland to avoid being called up for 145 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:24,880 military service since this happened during World War II. Okay. Hague then took over McSwann's house 146 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:34,240 and collected rents on McSwann's parents' properties. So he used his charm to wedge his way into 147 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:41,680 William McSwann's life, earning his parents' trust and they happily assigned him William's duties 148 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:49,200 after he disappeared. Convenient, isn't it? Yeah. For almost a year, Hague was successfully entrenched 149 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:55,520 in stepping into McSwann's life. However, curious as to why their son had not returned, they went to 150 00:15:55,520 --> 00:16:02,320 confront Hague on his whereabouts as World War II was nearing its end. Okay, because he had probably 151 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:09,600 through that year mentioned that he knew his whereabouts? Yes. Okay, I got you. So Deb, in June 152 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:17,360 1945, Hague lured them to his now-owned house by telling the McSwanns their son was coming back 153 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:24,080 from the war. There, Hague killed them with blows to the head and disposed of the bodies. Hague then 154 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:31,360 stole McSwann's pension checks, sold his parents' properties and moved into the Onslo Court Hotel 155 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:37,600 in Kensington. Okay, can I stop you for a second? Yeah. Number one, did he use acid on them like he 156 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:43,920 did with William? Yes, he did because later on in the story, you're going to find that he didn't 157 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:52,160 fully let acid kill 100% of the bodies. Okay, I got you. And then how was he able to just take 158 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:58,960 over the McSwann's belongings in order to sell off their property? Was he forging everything like he 159 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:06,640 had done in the past? That's my guess, but I'm thinking too that they were not as strict. Oh, 160 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:12,960 so true. Yeah, back in 1947, they didn't have all the regulations and restrictions. Yeah, you're 161 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:20,000 right. That makes sense. By 1947, Hague was running low on money and to solve his difficulties, he 162 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:28,080 found another couple to rob and kill Deb, Archibald Henderson and his wife Rose. Oh. After pretending 163 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:33,440 he wanted to buy a house they were selling, he was invited to the Henderson's home. They wanted to 164 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:39,920 hire him to play the piano for their housewarming party. Oh, okay. So he was still playing piano 165 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:46,480 in his 30s as a favorite pastime. Yes, yes, he was. While at the Henderson's flat, he stole 166 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:52,800 Archibald's revolver, planning to use it for a later crime. Renting a small workshop in Crowley, 167 00:17:52,800 --> 00:18:01,280 Sussex, he moved acid and drums there from his home. On February 12th, 1948, he lured Archibald 168 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:07,600 Henderson to his workshop on the pretext of showing him an invention. Upon his arrival, he was 169 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:14,720 immediately shot in the head with his own stolen revolver. Then Hague lured Rose Henderson to the 170 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:22,880 workshop, stating Archibald fell ill and she was shot too. Oh, honestly, Beth, it's almost like 171 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:28,560 they always have to take out the stronger person first because the weaker person is not going to 172 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:36,480 be able to defend themselves. Yes, and this is just so tragic. After he placed the bodies in the 173 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:44,160 sulfuric acid filled drums, Hague forged a letter with their signatures. There we go. Yep. And sold 174 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:51,120 all of their possessions except for the car and dog, which he kept. Wait, so he kept their dog 175 00:18:51,120 --> 00:18:59,040 because he has this immediate sense for a love of animals, although he chased a pig earlier in life 176 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:06,000 until it died, or is this considered one of his trophies? Ah, I like that. I think you're right 177 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:14,240 on that because he does tend to keep things from others, which I don't want to give away, but yes, 178 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:20,400 I think you're right there, Deb. Okay, interesting. So he was keeping the dog as a trophy. Yes. Okay. 179 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:28,720 Now next, Deb, a last victim was Olive Duran Deacon, a 69 year old wealthy widow of a solicitor 180 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:36,240 named John Duran Deacon. I love that name, Olive. It is cute. We have a restaurant here called 181 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:43,200 Olive's. Oh, what do they serve? It is so nice. They have the best salads. Cool. By then Hague was 182 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:49,760 telling people he was an engineer. Olive happened to mention to Hague that she had an idea for him 183 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:59,040 and get this, Deb, it was artificial nails. Wow. Wait, what year was this? It was in the late 1940s. 184 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:05,440 Believe it or not, artificial nails were patented a little later, like in the early 1950s. 185 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:11,760 Interesting. I did not realize that they were around for that long. I do remember one time when 186 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:18,720 I was in high school and my psychology teacher of all people, oh boy, was she ever a character. 187 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:23,280 Honestly, Beth, she fell asleep quite a lot on her desk. She'd put her head down and we'd be all 188 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:28,000 looking at each other and saying, Hey, what are we supposed to be doing right now? I bring this up 189 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:33,280 because I remember one time she sat up and she said something about her nails. She's like, 190 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:37,840 these are my real nails. And then she tapped the table with them to show us how hard they were. 191 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:44,640 So she was wearing fake nails back in the 80s. Yeah, that would be early. That's for sure. Yeah. 192 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:53,120 On February 18th, 1949, Haig invited Olive to his new workshop. And once inside, he shot her in the 193 00:20:53,120 --> 00:21:00,320 back of the neck with the same revolver that he stored back in 1947. Beth, okay, hold on. Let me 194 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:06,800 see if I can wrap my head around this for a second. He invites Olive over because she has this new idea 195 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:14,080 for artificial nails and he is going to shoot her in the neck with a revolver. That makes 196 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:19,040 utterly no sense because he could have had a partnership with her on this new product that 197 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:22,880 could come out on the market. Why would he do that? Because he's an idiot. 198 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:32,880 So after stripping her all her valuables, including a Persian lamb coat, Haig stuff 199 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:40,560 Olive's body into a drum of sulfuric acid. Two days later, Olive's friend reported her missing. 200 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:46,560 I'm assuming back at that era, Olive had told her friends that she was going somewhere, 201 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:53,040 maybe even mentioned his name when she disappeared. Yes. Probably if she was going to talk to him about 202 00:21:53,040 --> 00:22:00,880 patenting artificial nails. Okay, crooks are stupid, man. Just saying. They are. That's what ends up 203 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:06,640 giving them up. And it didn't take long for the detectives to follow a trail to Haig. And they 204 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:13,040 soon discovered Haig's record of theft, fraud, and obtained a search warrant to search his property. 205 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:19,520 Unlike his last workshop, Haig's new workshop did not contain a floor drain and he got rid of the 206 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:26,800 remains by pouring out the container into a rubble pile in the back of his property. In their search, 207 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:31,760 the police found a receipt for the dry cleaning of the Persian lamb coat. How stupid was that? 208 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:38,320 Yeah, they always leave receipts around. Yeah. But okay, I'm sorry. I was thinking, wait a minute. 209 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:42,640 Oh, you go ahead. No, I was thinking, did they make receipts back then? But no, we're talking 210 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:49,520 about 1947. So of course, in 1947, they're going to have receipts. Yeah, hand receipts that don't 211 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:56,160 disappear like today, where a year later, our receipts are invisible. Did you know that? No, 212 00:22:56,160 --> 00:23:03,360 what do you mean? If you hold on to a receipt. Oh, on the paper that it prints on. Yes, it 213 00:23:03,360 --> 00:23:10,800 disappears. Yes, it's a thermal paper bath. Okay, good to know. I was just going through my purse 214 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:15,680 yesterday to clean it out and I have receipts from a month ago that are already disappearing. 215 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:22,320 That's crazy. In their search, the police found a receipt of dry cleaning of a Persian lamb coat, 216 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:29,280 which belonged to Olive and papers referring to the Henderson's and McSwann's. Further investigation 217 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:37,040 of the area by the pathologists led to finding 20 pounds of human body fat and part of a human head 218 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:43,840 and part of a human foot, human gallstones and part of a denture, which was later identified 219 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:50,240 by Olive's dentist. So Haig was then arrested. Okay, because you had mentioned earlier that 220 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:57,200 because of that drain, he was not able to put everything down the drain. Interesting. I know. 221 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:04,000 At his trial, Haig mistakenly believed that if the bodies of his victims could not be found, 222 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:10,640 a murder conviction would not be possible. I guess he wasn't thinking about circumstantial evidence. 223 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:16,880 Not at all, Deb. At his trial, Haig confessed that he had killed the McSwann's, the Henderson's, 224 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:24,240 the Henderson's and Olive Duran Deacon, as well as three other people. So nine in total. 225 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:30,320 The claims of the three other people could not be confirmed. So he went to trial with just the five 226 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:39,040 murders. Wait a minute. He killed William McSwann, right? Yes. Okay. So William and his two parents, 227 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:45,280 right? That's three. And then Olive is four and then two Henderson's. That would be six. 228 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:52,960 It sure would. I counted wrong. Okay. Hey, I'm not good with math either. I get it. Okay. I didn't 229 00:24:52,960 --> 00:25:00,560 mean to correct you. No, that's okay. Please do. So Haig pleaded insanity, claiming that he drank 230 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:08,000 the blood of his victims. What? Where did that come from? Just out of the blue. He just... Okay, 231 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:14,320 whatever. Oh, wait. He's saying that he's insane. So I get it. Okay, that makes sense. I agree. He 232 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:21,360 just needed an excuse, but people think he's more nutty. Yep. The lead for prosecution urged the 233 00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:29,360 jury to reject Haig's defense of insanity because he acted with intention. Absolutely. He was taking 234 00:25:29,360 --> 00:25:35,840 people's money. He was. And ideas of invention, although of course that didn't go anywhere, 235 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:41,360 but still, yeah, he was definitely working with intentions. And I think the jury agrees with you, 236 00:25:41,360 --> 00:25:46,800 Deb, because it just took minutes for them to decide that Haig was guilty and he was sentenced 237 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:55,280 to death. Wow. And they were still hanging back then because Haig was hanged on August 10th, 1949. 238 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:59,280 Wow. Well, this was in England too, so different laws, right? 239 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:05,520 One of the intriguing things I found about this story is that the day before Haig was going to be 240 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:12,480 hanged, he welcomed Madame Tussauds into a cell for three hours. Can you believe that? Wow. 241 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:20,480 How interesting that this is the same person who had that wax museum, you know, that mom and dad 242 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:28,640 brought the pamphlets home on. Yes, exactly. And she was there for three hours so she could make 243 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:34,880 a life mask for a wax model so she could put it into her museum. She's bold. Would you want to sit 244 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:41,680 in a jail cell with somebody knowing what they did and put some wax on his face? No. Is that how 245 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:47,200 they do that? Like a mold? Probably back then. I don't know what the heck they do now. Oh my god. 246 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:53,600 I know. It's just, again, so creepy. And believe it or not, the model went up in the museum the 247 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:59,120 day after his death. Wow. That didn't take her long at all. That was what? Just three days? 248 00:26:59,120 --> 00:27:08,800 Yes, it was. Wow. I guess if it's wax, it's easily moldable. It sure is. I mean, I burn candles around 249 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:14,880 the house and I always take my thumb and I push the melted wax down so that it's one level as it's 250 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:22,960 burning. You know. Yeah. I know how quickly it'll harden to my fingers if any of it sticks. Interesting. 251 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:29,200 Yeah. So in summary, Haig had played the role of a criminal very well. I will tell you this. He 252 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:36,640 didn't do it that well because he got caught and he got hung. Yes. So much so that Haig's wax work 253 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:45,280 exhibit in the Chamber of Horrors was displayed at Madame Tussauds in London. On a 1951 radio series 254 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:54,800 drama, Haig's story was told on an episode called The Jar of Acid. In the mid-1960s, unproduced Hitchcock 255 00:27:54,800 --> 00:28:01,600 project entitled Kaleidoscope had been inspired by the story of these events. Did they never film 256 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:07,920 Kaleidoscope? Because I feel like I've heard of that before. And the weird thing is I did too when I 257 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:15,600 read this. So I suppose once he died, they probably let it go. Yeah. Be more sensational, 258 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:20,640 wouldn't it? Oh yeah, for sure. Always after they go. And you're going to love this, Deb. 259 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:28,400 Criminal Minds episode called Masterpiece. It was inspired by Haig. Wow. I love, I think that's one 260 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:34,720 of the reasons why I like true crime is because I think I must have watched every episode of 261 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:41,760 Criminal Minds from start to finish over the years. Yes. It was a good show. Hmm. And I don't know if 262 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:46,960 I told you that it's back on air, but only on a certain channel. And some of the old characters 263 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:53,440 are in it. I'm not sure who. Is that blonde techie girl still on there? I love her. That I can tell 264 00:28:53,440 --> 00:29:01,280 you she's, she is. Okay, cool. And to add another, the release of the British film Noir, Obsession, 265 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:06,800 it was delayed because it bared too much resemblance to Haig's chain of events. 266 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:14,880 Was that also modeled after Haig and his crimes? I don't know if it was before or after. Hmm. 267 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:21,520 And stage plays were made, music was recording, and it mentioned it in the words of the music. 268 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:27,680 And here we are today, still telling the story of Haig on a podcast. So this story lingers. 269 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:35,280 It does. And interesting again, Beth, I have never heard of this case. And wow, this is really, 270 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:41,520 really popular. I just kind of wonder why have I never heard of this before you came along with it? 271 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:47,680 I don't know. I wonder though, is it maybe our age difference? If I was in elementary school and you 272 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:52,880 were already what, going into high school? Definitely different things that we were learning at this 273 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:58,560 stage of our life. Exactly. So you were too young to read that pamphlet. I remember the pamphlet 274 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:03,520 though. I, oh, you know what? I probably just looked at the pictures. You probably did. So at 275 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:10,320 this time, Deb, do you have a teachable moment? We're done already? I guess we are. Okay. Um, no, 276 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:17,280 really though, I guess my question to you, Beth, is do you have a teachable moment? No, I don't. 277 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:22,560 Okay, good. Because I have a teachable moment based on this story today. Listen, going back to 278 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:29,120 episode 28 with the Bogbodies, remember how we talked about take the time to go out and visit 279 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:35,600 these museums if you can? Well, you just mentioned that you've never been to a wax museum, Beth. 280 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:41,840 And sometimes there are pop-up museums that pass through town. Also, have you heard of Ripley's, 281 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:47,520 believe it or not, in their wax museums? Yes. And I think there's one in Niagara Falls. 282 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:53,920 You need to go early. I've been to a couple towns. I've been to St. Augustine, Florida and 283 00:30:53,920 --> 00:31:00,800 Gatlinburg, Tennessee. Those towns have a Ripley's, believe it or not, wax museum there. And I did 284 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:06,800 take Shelby and Corey to a wax museum one time because like you said, when mom and dad brought 285 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:13,280 home those pamphlets, I was intrigued by them. You were intrigued. And I'm telling you, if you 286 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:21,120 make your way to Ripley's in Niagara Falls, you will not be disappointed. They have figures that 287 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:28,960 range from celebrities, royalty, Beth, the royal family from England, and of course more macabre 288 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:36,000 or sinister figures as well. Cool. My teachable moment to you, Beth, is if you ever visit a town 289 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:42,560 that has a wax museum, go check it out because you're already intrigued with how realistic the 290 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:47,680 figures looked in a picture. Go learn some history and go see the real thing. I think you should take 291 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:55,760 a special trip for that. I think I will. Yeah, good. So with that said, that's a wrap. That is a wrap. 292 00:31:55,760 --> 00:32:01,440 And we want to thank our listeners for listening to our episode of Dying to be Found. And before 293 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:07,280 we go, we would love for you to leave a review on your favorite podcast platform. That really does 294 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:13,440 help us in the rankings. And if you've not checked out Good Pods yet, be sure to follow us there. 295 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:19,600 This is a new platform that supports indie podcasts like us. Be sure to check that out. 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