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Well, hi everyone! This is Deb
And this is Beth
And we want to welcome you to episode number 28 of Dying2Beefound
Or at least I think it's episode 28
Beth, I'm so busy this week I'm not keeping up with that
But yeah, as always, we appreciate you joining us
And thanks so much for being here today
If you have a storyline that you would like to hear, please shoot us an email
Or you can now go to our brand new link tree
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Because who wants to be looking all over the internet for us?
So now you have us all in one place
I'm pretty excited about it
Before we get started though, as always, let's check in with Beth
Hi! What's up?
Well, I had a good weekend starting to think about fall already and the crispness
Because our evenings now are cool
How was that heat wave a couple of weeks ago?
It was hot
Holy, we're not used to such hot weather
Hey listen, before we get started, I wanted to mention the intro that you all just heard
And I found a really good new podcast called Spilling the Crime
And I love these guys' vibes
Umberto and Jonas are hilarious
I listened to them this morning while I was getting ready for work
So be sure to check them out
Yes, check them out
Is there anything else you want to talk about besides the weather?
No
So I'm going to tell our listeners today that our logo does say it all
We're always open to interpretation
So we're going to take a slight detour to our storyline today
Beth, I was feeling like there was a lot of heaviness as far as the stories that we've
been telling and I thought we would take a little palette cleanser today
I think it's a great idea
Yeah, so I want to thank you personally because you're giving me the storyline that I went to
research on this and I'd never heard of our topic today so it's pretty cool and I'm looking
forward to telling you for our listeners, you all
Beth told me the story about the bog bodies, never heard of them
So she was all gung-ho and then she might have been wanting to go boating one of those weekends
Who knows because she loves the water that much
But I was the one that ended up researching this
It's a great story
It's going to kind of take a detour from some of the morbid tales that we have to tell
But I'm excited about this one
And I don't think anybody else has done this
I searched under podcast bog bodies
Yeah, nothing came up
So folks, we're the first to present this with you
Yeah, so hopefully our ratings will go up under documentaries
In where? I think in Iceland
We're doing pretty good in Iceland with the documentaries
So hey everybody in Iceland, thanks for listening
In my research on another topic, I happen to read the credits on other stories that might be of
interest and as soon as I saw bog bodies, I knew we'd have to get a good story to report
Especially after string of hard ones
Yeah, it has definitely been tough
So what has caught your attention with the bog bodies?
Well, I've always been interested in Pompeii
Oh yeah
For those who don't know of that, they had a big volcano back in
Oh my goodness, I don't even know what year or era that would be
But so long ago and the bodies were left with faces screaming when they were uncovered
And I learned all that in school and I really enjoyed that
Wow
Learning that history
Oh yeah, that's something that I've always enjoyed too
I mean, dad has been phenomenal with giving us history lessons throughout our lives
But I don't think I appreciate, I mean, I loved going to the different museums and things that he would take us to
But I'm sure I probably didn't have a full appreciation of it until I was an adult
Yeah, we were pretty young when he took us to a lot of those places so we wouldn't have got as much out
But he sure did know his stuff
Yeah, he did
So why don't you tell our listeners what a bog is? Because again, I had no idea until I started researching this
But since this was your story that you roped me into researching, I want you to tell everybody what a bog is
Okay, it's a wetland area and it's a combination of land and water
The water flow is similar to a swampy area which is very still and does not generate a flow like you would see in a river, lake or stream
It accumulates an abundance of peat which is a mixture of moss integrated with other vegetation
and dead plant materials. It is used in peat fuel which tends to burn slower than a traditional log fire
And in my notes, I did see that there are bogs in the southern states
Yes, like in the, I feel like it's Louisiana, New Orleans area
Yes, and it says that the bogs there are totally different than the ones overseas
which is what we're going to be talking about today
I think I actually found one or maybe I touched on it
It's actually been a couple weeks since I've looked this up
But I will touch slightly on the bogs in North America
But yeah, you're right, it's going to be more overseas
Do you know the differences?
I read it but I didn't retain it
I'm such a goof
Oh goodness
Hey listen, I wonder though, is this the same peat moss that would be in my planters for the garden
because it really absorbs a lot of water
And I really tried using that this summer when I was gardening
because I heard peat moss was really good
I live in a very dry area so in order to retain water so that my plants are trying to, you know
I'm trying to grow vegetables and I'm just experimenting a little bit this year
So I've thrown that in with my planters to hold in the moisture for flowers and veggies
Because I heard that the nutrients are really good
So I don't know if that's the same I'm assuming it is
It would have the same properties but it's not exactly
Okay, well I did read that peat moss can decompose a body
all the way down to its skeleton in just a couple months
due to its high acidity and low oxygen levels
But these bodies can also become well preserved through something similar to tanning
And what I mean by that I want you to think about a tanned hide when you've got these
I don't even know what the name of the person is
Turned flesh into leather so they have to tan the hide of an animal
I guess maybe they're called tanners
I'm not sure of the name neither but you're certainly on the right track
But you understand
I do
Yeah well since the first discovery of bog bodies Beth
more than 1,000 bog bodies have been found and are sometimes confused with murder victims
because of their mummified state
and much of the fact that their body is still intact when people discover them
Yes did you see the photos?
I did and I'm gonna say it's intriguing most definitely
But boy do they ever look like leather
It's almost disturbing in a way because the features are so predominant
Yes I totally agree with what you're saying it is creepy
It is creepy definitely because every bit of their facial features even their fingernails
are preserved in such a way that it almost looks like they're bronzed
Like it's a bronzed statue
Yes exactly
Okay so you and I are on the same page
We are
Well we mentioned that these bogs are found overseas and more specifically in the northwestern
European areas
There are also bagel bogs found in North America around that Gulf Coast area Beth
And I did look this up
Yeah that kind of rung a bell definitely in the New Orleans area
And I have traveled there quite frequently
So I've seen the swampy lands but I have not seen the bogs per se
But I can imagine if you watch any movie that is where the scenery is like really old south
swampy areas then I think that would be comparable to the bog lands of the Gulf Coast
Well I've been to New Orleans several times and I certainly know what you're talking about
Yeah I cannot take the humidity there the climate there is beyond my comfort level
But I do know that the bogs can run very wide and deep and the decay does occur very slowly over time
For our listeners who've never been to the deep south regions
Think about the movies where you see pictures where you have people living in the bayou
And they have houses built in the swamp
Are you imagining that Beth?
Yes I am I'm imagining CSI
Yes that's a great comparison
So you've got a lot of moss hanging over the trees as people glide through the
alligators in the still brown water
There are also lots of deep rooted vegetation in a very I would say icky low-lying area
So hot and sticky days but cool climates at night
All of that results in slow plant growth
And bogs are referred to as a cool weather swamp that naturally preserves human tissues
And provides the tannins that I had mentioned which is a natural chemical used in tanning leather
So that is why these bodies really are a combination of looking bronze and having that tanning effect
Yes when you say bronze it takes me back to the bronze figures that I had from dad
Do you remember those the military?
Oh yes I have some
It just it looks exactly the coloring and just the leathery look it just it is exactly
like it's been bronzed
Well interesting fact bogs sometimes give off a bluish flame that's caused by the chemical
reactions in those areas and folklore tales Beth say bogs are haunted and lure people in
tempting them into its depths and doom through its own energy
Now what are your thoughts on that?
I would agree on another note I do like to go to psychics
Some of you might be cringing but I love it and some of the things do come true
You don't think so at the time I see that goes hand in hand with folklore tales
about hauntings and luring people in because I personally do believe that there are spirits among us
Oh yeah I absolutely do as well I agree
Well let's talk about the bog bodies archaeologists can date remains all the way back to 10,000 years
ago and I'm going to date myself in history just a bit here and lay out some time references
so when I talk about them you can get an idea of how old these bodies are
So let's go to history class shall we?
Yes
All right so we're going to talk about the stone age just really briefly
Which occurred approximately 3.4 million years ago
This era was named the stone age because of when tools and weapons were made from stone
and consisted of sharp edge points
Now the bronze age Beth ironically was from 3300 BC to 1200 BC
It was named this because of the high use of bronze during this era
Now the iron age was between 1200 BC and 600 BC
which was named when settlers began using iron for tools and weapons
Interesting
Yeah well again let's paint a picture of some of the remains
In some cases all that have been found are the skeletal remains but a lot of times these bodies
are mummified and their full composition is still intact
When I say intact I mean that their full remains are still preserved
and I encourage our listeners and you Beth if you've not done this so far
to go and look up some of the pictures of the bog bodies
because it really is pretty neat to see that human beings can be so well preserved
and they do look rather leathery in my opinion
but I mean that does not do it justice you have to go see for yourself
Yeah folks go look at those photos you'll be really wowed
Yeah archaeologists believe that many of the bodies ended up in the bogs
through accidental drawings as in being folklore being drawn in Beth
suicides and concealed murders
These areas were very hard to get to and very dangerous
but were resourceful to settlers back in the day
and I'm going to actually make a little side note here
because there was a movie with what was his name Matthew McConaughey
Well you can look up his name Google him
Why don't you Google him while I'm talking
Put Matthew in and McConaughey comes up first
He's one damn good looking man
Yeah he is and he's got a one of those voices you know what I mean
Free State of Jones
Yeah that's why I just found that
Civil War movie it's called Free State of Jones and it was just made in 2016
but I thought that was a really cool movie because he and his troops would go back to the bog area
anytime they wanted to have refuge away from being chased by other soldiers
that's where they went because nobody could catch them back there
That sounds like an interesting movie
It was really really good
So people would often travel through bogs to collect peat for fuel
which I had mentioned earlier burns a little slower than the wooden logs that most people use
They also collected materials to make their textiles baskets and even roofing for shelter
Yes I believe that is done over around Ireland is it not?
It could be in Ireland
Now due to the density bogs were also home to abundant food resources
Of course it makes sense if it's hard to get in there Beth
I think the wildlife is really going to take over
Other bog bodies were discovered with their hair and fingernails neatly trimmed
Fingerprints were also preserved Beth
That is cool
And archaeologists could even see well-defined tattoos on some of these bodies
For goodness sakes
Yeah
Researchers believe that many bog bodies were taken there for ritualistic ceremonies
due to the conditions they were found in
and that's something I'm actually going to touch on as we go on
Artifacts such as ceramics and jewelry
long plates of human hair
and figurines carved from wood
plus musical instruments were also discovered in the European bogs
Archaeologists believe that these items may have been used for bargaining, thanksgiving
or honoring local spirits or ancestors
The ones that lure you in I'm sure
Yes they certainly would
Do do do do do do do do do
Well we're going to talk a little bit about some violent deaths here Beth
It actually gets
I mean this portion of my research that you forced me into I couldn't get past all this
I couldn't neither that's why I asked you to do it
It was a lot to wrap my head around for sure but I just it was almost like the rabbit hole on this one
You find one and then there's another one and then there's another one
Yes
Yeah so I found a lot more than I expected on this so it's kind of cool
Evidence points to a lot of violent deaths which may contribute to the ritual
or may actually contribute to the rituals that I had mentioned
because when found most bog bodies were found to have experienced strangulation or blunt force
or sharp force trauma which basically means Beth that somebody unfortunately got whacked over the head or stabbed
Researchers believe that many of the bog bodies are that of executed criminals or ceremonial scapegoats
So I think that's a good example for members of the community to watch out for themselves
and this would be something that they did to keep the community members in line
How would they know to do that? Do you know what I mean?
How would they know to do what?
Like how do they know that throwing a body in there?
I don't think that they actually had full knowledge of what would happen with the bodies Beth
I think that over time I mean I had mentioned that some of these bog bodies go back 10,000 years
I think that this was just an easy way to dispose of the body
I mean what better way if there's alligators?
Yes, you're right
Or a thick brush where you know there's not going to be a ton of evidence left behind
so if they're just dumping these people in the bogs then they're probably thinking these people
are going to sink or maybe be eaten by wild animals out there
I see your point
So it's just an easy place to go dump people
Also along the lines of violence hands and ankles were tied and in some cases there was evidence
of hanging that had occurred and multiple bodies were discovered decapitated or dismembered
throughout the bogs
Many heads of both men and women had been found across Britain and Ireland
likely going as far back as the Bronze Age
So that goes back to 3300 BC to 1200 BC
That's a long time ago
So can you give us a little information on what type of bog bodies you're finding in your reading?
Oh gosh yeah I actually came across several famous bog bodies that I did not know was famous
until I did my research a 2000 year old I'm going to say yiddy it's y-d-e and I apologize
for chopping up any of the pronunciations somebody please correct me
Not that you've ever done that before
No I really do try to go and listen to the pronunciations because I'm trying to respect
the topics and the families that we're discussing but I'm going to say in this case
I couldn't find the pronunciation so I'm going to say a yiddy girl
We believe that she's 2000 years old from the Netherlands
She was discovered in 1897 in the whole scheme of things Beth that was not that long ago
No
The yiddy girl was believed to be somewhere around the age of 16 and lived between 100 BC and 50 AD
It looked like she had severe scoliosis
When she was found she was wearing a wool cloak and appeared to have been strangled to death with
a cord because it was still wrapped around her neck when she was found
Researchers also believe that she was stabbed near her left collarbone
and they believe that this was a ritualistic killing because of her spinal condition
And I feel like a lot of the people who were sacrificed back in that era
usually were had a ritualistic killing because if they had a condition such as that
they were the first ones to be targeted
Yes we've talked about that in some of our podcasts
Many other bog bodies had also been found to have spina bifida, scoliosis, skeletal dysplasia,
or dyschondrosteosis, otherwise known as shortening of the bones
Now half of yiddy girls hair had been cut off which was pretty common with many of the other bog bodies
found throughout the years so that just seemed to be a tradition to cut off half the hair before they performed rituals
Now the second bog body was a 2400 year old Tolland man from Tolland, Denmark
who was found in 1950 by two brothers who were out cutting peat at the local bog
probably for fuel bath
That would be pretty creepy finding somebody
Wouldn't it though?
Yes not expecting it and bam
Well the brothers Vigo and Emil thought that Tolland man had only recently passed away
because they could still see his eyelashes and chin stubble
Wow
That is preservation right there
It is
Tolland man was wearing a pointed sheepskin hat and was estimated to be somewhere around the age of 30 to 40 years old
He was around the height of five foot two inches and researchers believe that Tolland man died
somewhere between 405 and 380 BC
Now this is one of the coolest pictures that I did see if you guys have a chance to go look him up
Tolland man I had to go check out the chin stubble and the eyelashes
I'm gonna do that right now
Yeah well tell me what you think
I will
While you're doing that Beth I am going to let you know that Tolland man left a little surprise
Oh what would that be?
Well it seemed he had not digested his last meal yet
He had likely eaten shortly before he was hung to death so he probably had a last meal
which consisted of porridge containing barley, flax and other seeds
and more recent research also discovered fish proteins in his system as well
So through DNA testing I'm sure they were able to really really pinpoint some of the extra nutrients that were in his body
Well I found Tolland man and it's pretty creepy just seeing a head
You can even see some stitching in the headwear he was wearing
Yeah so what are your thoughts?
I mean they were found with their clothing intact
So well preserved it's unbelievable
Unbelievable folks you have to go look
Oh yeah
And that is spelled T-O-L-L-U-N-D man it's all you have to put in and then the mummified corpse will come up
Thanks Beth
Okay researchers believe that the ingredients that Tolland man had in his system pointed to a special occasion
or ritualistic practices like I had mentioned
He was discovered with his eyes and mouth shut as well as lying in a fetal position
So he was likely at some point somebody closed his eyes closed his mouth
and I'm not really sure how he would have gotten into that fetal position
but I would assume that if he was left in the bogs to decompose that's an odd position to be left in
It is isn't that
Yeah so somebody had to have done that
Yeah because it says he was hanged
Yeah that's true so they would have had to have cut him down
Well during the ice age people were known for digging for peat which signifies gratitude towards the land
So I had mentioned that that's part of the rituals right
He still had a well-preserved leather noose tied around his neck and he was supposedly hung
but Ashley died of suffocation and not a broken neck
He also had parasites which likely contributed to drinking contaminated water
and Toland man's hair brain skin nails and intestines were all preserved
That's hard to imagine really intestines too
Yeah so wanted to drop another interesting fact
There was another woman by the name of Elling woman who was found in 1938
She was found 12 years prior to Toland man
and they would have lay only 200 feet between each other in the bogs for all that time Beth
For the years that they were in the bogs they were only 200 feet away from each other
That's not far that's kind of interesting
Yeah so Elling woman was probably around the age of 25 and lived during the early iron age
and Elling woman also died of hanging had her hair braided and was found wearing a cloak that was sewn with fine thread
Well looking at the picture here I do see the cloak
Yeah and they took such great care to clothe her so I thought that was kind of interesting
There isn't much on her
Okay so you're looking this up as we go
I am I am
Aren't you being proactive I love that
Well let's move on to Old Krogan man
He was another bog body found in Ireland just in 2003 Beth
What?
Yeah so he is believed to have been alive somewhere between 350 and 175 BC
because he was found with classic signs of living in the iron era
Interestingly enough Beth Old Krogan man was extremely tall for that era
and would have been somewhere around 6'6
and had a massive build
Wow
Yeah that is definitely a giant in the times
Certainly is
Researchers believe that he may have led a privileged life and is currently on display in the National Museum of Ireland
I want to go to Ireland just to see him
It would be interesting
Actually that's on my bucket list anyway Ireland is on my bucket list and we have a great listener base over there
Good
Yeah
Hello Ireland
This is for you Ireland
Well Old Krogan man may have been at one time considered a failed king who may have ruled during a war famine or epidemic that caused him to be dethroned
If he was ruling the empire at that time and anything went awry of course he's going to be blamed
and that's when people would come after him to dethrone him
During unfortunate times like that it was common for royalty to be given a violent death
so the new king coming in who was taking over would get the message that he'd better do something right
So Game of Thrones anyone?
Have you ever seen Game of Thrones?
I've heard everybody watch it
Including my son
Yeah
Adam named his dog Arya
Oh
Am I on the right track with the right movie?
I don't know I've never watched it
Okay
I'm just pretending that I've watched it it's on my list of things to do
Okay yeah his husky is named Arya
Okay so he named it after one of the characters in Game of Thrones
Yes
That's a beautiful dog
Thanks Deb I think he's pretty cute too
Too full of energy for my age
Oh yeah that would be Ava Ava Ava
Whoo okay I also read that Old Krogan man could have been a sacrifice to the gods
because get this Beth his nipples were cut off which goes back to the suggestion that he was a king
because sucking a king's nipples
Oh my god I'm gonna say this all over the place
Let's see if I can say this without laughing
I've never heard such a thing
Take a look at the Krogan or take a look of the old Krogan man and that'll calm you down
He is grotesque
Oh yeah I don't even remember it has been so long since I've done this research I'm winging it now
Look I'm trying to be serious
Serious here oh man
Okay hold on
Deb I read that he could have been the sacrifice to the gods
His nipples were cut off which goes way back to the suggestion that he was a king
because sucking a king's nipples was a gesture of submission in ancient Ireland
It's that easy
Just think how horrible he looks
It did that was horrifying
With all that said and done of trying to get this out Beth his nipples were cut off
which goes back to the suggestion that he was a king because
I'm glad to see your lines
Okay now I'm getting that image of how off atrocious he is
After oh my god you all this is so hilarious I've been laughing about this because of the line
I'm trying to get out right now and I'm trying to envision on how horrific this guy looks
because there's no way I could tell visually to note that his nipples had been cut off
It was known that sucking a king's nipples was a gesture of submission in ancient Ireland
and removing old krogan man's nipples points toward that failed king theory
Okay ultimately old krogan man died of strangulation
stabbed wounds to the chest and was eventually disemboweled
You know what that means right
I do
Yeah okay so defensive wounds were found on his upper arms suggesting that he fought for his life
Now remember it's speculated that he was six foot six inches tall
and he still he had to have probably an army of people attacking him
because if he was a strong man well he had holes cut into his arms
to attach a twisted hazel to stake the corpse into the bog and prevent him from surfacing
So I personally wanted to know what a twisted hazel was and you know those the wreaths that
you can find at Hobby Lobby that are made of sticks and then kind of intertwined with each other
Yes
So that's what a twisted hazel is and they use that to stake him into the bogs
I actually see it
You see what I mean
Yes I actually found a photo of the old krogan man as we're speaking and I do see
that he does have that twisted hazel around his it looks like a bracelet
Really
Yeah and his in the one body I mean this is a horrifying photo
Yeah this only like his torso
And if you blow it up you'll see it was on his left arm
Oh I see it by his bicep
Yes
I see it like a leather arm ring
Yeah
Okay interesting
You certainly can tell that they did fight very hard with this man
because he certainly is damaged
Oh yeah
So we're going to move on to the next bog body who probably experienced one of the more brutal deaths
so far Beth Lindow man who is believed to be in his 20s died between 29 BC and 129 AD
and he was discovered near Wimslow Cheshire in 1984
Lindow man is currently on display in a British museum
It's cool that Europe has these bog bodies on display
It is
Is it disrespectful though?
No I don't think so it's part of history right?
Yeah that's true
There's not much left of this poor man when I'm looking at his photo now
No do you know why?
Why?
He was examined by more than 50 research experts so he's one of the more researched bog bodies
Interesting
Yeah and even more interesting Beth he had a mustache and beard mild arthritis good teeth
and was well manicured
He sounds like he's the upper crust
Yep he only wore a fox fur band on his left arm but was otherwise naked when he was found
Lindow man was discovered by a heavy blow to his back
Did you say this is the one you're looking at right now?
Yes
So he had a heavy blow to his back and was marked by a broken rib
and had two massive axe wounds in his head and his jugular was cut out
Oh my gosh they're really archaic aren't they?
Uh-huh yeah speaking of that he was also garreted or strangled with a ligature made from animal
tendons and archaeologists believe that his throat was cut before being thrown face down into the bog
Wow
Yeah the radiologist who performed x-rays on Lindow man named him Pete Marsh get it?
I do
Well he was given this name at first when they wanted to look for fillings to determine
if this was a modern body or a bog body
Oh
Remember how I said that bogs were common to throw or disguise murdered bodies?
Yes
They were probably looking to see if he was a modern body
So moving on to Grobble man he was found in Denmark in 1952 when Pete Cutters were working
in the bogs and Cutters were aware of Toland man who was found in that area
They were actually very mindful when digging
However the crew accidentally struck Grobble man's head with a shovel but he was still
successfully excavated otherwise and is now the most x-rayed and analyzed corpse in the world
Grobble man's last dinner was soup laced with a hallucinogenic fungus similar bath to LSD
Experts believe that this was given to him to put him in somewhat of a trance state
before a ritualistic sacrifice where they cut his throat from ear to ear
and the reason he's believed to have been sacrificed is due to the bad harvest
where people were performing rituals to a fertility god
They were basically praying and holding rituals for a good crop
CT scans show that Grobble man received a sharp blow to his knees in order to incapacitate him
So he probably got struck down that's when he was attacked
Additional CT scans showed that he was likely malnourished when he died
and probably was more than likely poor
Contents from his stomach showed that his last meal was ground corn porridge
which was pretty much known at the time as a popper's diet
Can I interrupt? I want to mention about that red hair because I'm looking at him
Oh yeah he was the one with the red hair
Yes that red hair is still long and thick and it really is a red hair that's very unusual
Maybe that's why they sacrificed him because he did have red hair
which was unusual for those days
Yeah you might have a point
I mean they targeted people if they had spinal issues
then I can see that he might have been targeted because of his hair
Yes
Now lesser known bog bodies have been discovered but I felt were just as interesting
During the archaic times people were known to bury their dead in the bog areas
and wooden stakes were driven through the deceased body to keep them from floating to the surface
and I feel like that's what happened to the old Krogan man to keep them from resurfacing
In North America a total of 168 bog bodies dating back 8,000 years have been discovered so far
in Winedover Pond which is located in Florida
Get out! That's a lot of bodies
Sure is I mean that's kind of you have to think wow that's a little fishy
that there would be that many in that area eh? Oh for sure
When some of these bodies were discovered their DNA showed that many bog bodies were of Asian or Native American descent
and many showed little tooth decay but their teeth were ground down quite a bit due to sand being in their food
or people using their teeth as tools during the time
I'm going to move on to Amcot's Moor woman who was discovered in 1748
discovered in 1747 in Lincolnshire England and I don't have a lot to go on with this case Beth
but all that is left of her is her left shoe made of leather that places her in the Roman period
I thought that was interesting
Yes
Her right shoe and hand at one time were sent off to the Royal Society in London
but these artifacts have since disappeared that's a shame
It is it is
Another bog body was that of Warsley Mann whose head was discovered in 1958 near Manchester England
and he's believed to date back to the early to mid-Roman periods which falls between AD 131 and 251
He's believed to be between the age of 26 to 45 at the time of his death
and was discovered in the bogs during a modern day police investigation of a man who police thought had murdered his wife
How interesting Beth that they're out there in the bogs looking for this guy and they come across Warsley Mann
Yeah that would be again creepy
Oh yeah when you're not looking for him absolutely
Well Warsley Mann had a sharp object buried in his neck tissue which leads researchers to believe that he was decapitated
Oh
And they also believe that someone made two attempts on decapitating him where Warsley Mann was nicked in the jaw at least once
Regardless both blows came from behind with either a wide blade sword or an axe
He also had metal staples and twists of wire pinning his flesh together
Some say maybe like an ancient stitch if he had cut himself he might have had stitches I'm not really sure
Interesting for going back all those years
Yeah to the Roman times
Yeah it sounds like modern medicine with metal staples and wire pinning
A 2300 year old cloney caveman man found in Ireland looked to be a vegetarian as fruits and
vegetables were still found in his stomach so Beth this bog body also kept up with his grooming
because he had styling gel in his hair made from pine resin and plant oils known to come from France and Spain
How interesting is that?
Very I can't believe that men back then would be worried about gelling hair
Yeah that's ingenious for the time for sure
Archaeologists believe that he may have come from royalty
Cloney caveman man died from three blows to the head but was also strangled stabbed hit on the nose and chest and was disemboweled
Researchers believe that he was also sacrificed as a ritualistic death
We're going to talk quickly about two weirding men who were found in the Netherlands in 1904
and could have been alive between 100 BC and 50 AD the same time around as the yitty girl
and although we refer to these two as weirding men some believe that they were a man and woman couple
others believe that they could have been brothers father and son or even lovers
one of the weirding men had a large chest wound was disemboweled which can be a sign of the iron age
Europeans attempting to see into the future by reading a victim's intestines or internal organs
reading as in spiritual hunt yeah like you're psychic that is strange isn't it though like back in the day
okay no tvs nothing to not all these distractions that we have today like where do they come up with some of these things
that one is unbelievable can't even imagine how they would come up with that
I know I wonder if yitty girl and weirding men were somehow related Beth because they were both alive around the same year
now this is something I was just thinking about and they were both found in the same bog areas in the Netherlands
so could the yitty girl be the daughter of we're gonna say the weirding men but if some people
believe that the couple was man and woman maybe yitty girl was their daughter that could be very
interesting thought there I mean I'm sure the researchers know better than me I'm just a podcaster
okay oh I'm trying to do this in a German way because I took German in high school Rensweren
man which I know I'm butchering it and I and I don't mean to Rensweren man was discovered in Germany
in 1871 and was the first to be labeled as a bog body he was believed to be around the ages of 40 and 50
and lived between 100 BC and 100 AD he was also believed to be a murder victim who died due to a
blow to the head and afterwards his body was smoked to preserve it then placed in the bogs
with a woolen cloak and a skinned cape now that's crazy yeah I thought that was really interesting
that they would smoke his body I mean smoking does that preserve it any more than putting them
in the bogs I've never heard and not in everything I've ever read about smoking a body anyway yeah
that's pretty cool goodness I'm not sure how to say this one is Geig man was discovered in Galloway
Ireland in 1821 and is believed to be around 25 years old researchers believe that he was alive
between 400 and 200 BC and was one of the bodies staked down he was discovered lying on his side
naked but covered with a skin cape and it appeared that he was strangled to death with a band of
willow rods now Osterbe man was discovered in Osterbe Germany in 1948 only his decapitated head
was found which was wrapped in a deer skin cape he had a blow to his left temple which is likely
what had killed him when discovered Osterbe's hair had turned red from peat chemicals okay interesting
because that's the same as grobble man I wonder if the peat is turning their hair red could be it
sounds like it doesn't it yeah when he was discovered his hair had turned red from peat chemicals
and he was tied to a swabian knot commonly worn by a tribe in Germany at the time Winsby girl was
found in England in 1952 with half her hair cut off I had mentioned Beth that that was a ritual of
the time she is believed to have only been 13 or 14 years old when she died oh yeah she was found
with a woolen blindfold over her eyes and likely died obviously of unnatural causes a man was also
found at the same time lying only five yards from Winsby girl's body and some believe that the couple
were being punished for committing adultery that makes sense yeah it does so it's unfortunate last
but not least Meany Braden woman was found in Ireland in 1978 and researchers believe that she
came from the 16th century anywhere between 1500 and 1600 AD she wore a woolen cloak and was in
her late 20s or early 30s and researchers believe that she was a murder victim or may have died by
suicide so that was the list of bog bodies that I came up with Beth and there could have been more
than this but I wanted to end by telling you that bog bodies are becoming quite the thing on TikTok
what can you imagine what yeah more than eight million people viewed the Haldre Miss woman bog
body on TikTok which was another bog body found in similar conditions as the others that I had
talked about now what do you think of people going on TikTok and doing their thing talking about bog
bodies on social media well I was going to say that's horrifying but what are we doing oh my gosh
you are so right well we're giving a historical aspect documentary to the mysteries of the bog
bodies but you're right I guess they're doing their own little 15 second stint well we're going to
spend about an hour on this I don't think TikTok I hope they wouldn't be making fun and joking around
because that is somebody's body yeah I actually looked it up because you know I was like well a
little bit I mean I really couldn't find very much on it oh did you technically I went to try to go
look it up because I was like oh what well who's doing this on TikTok but in all aspects I couldn't
find very much but what I did it did not look disrespectful it looked like it was more of the
person in the background maybe showing the picture in the background like scenery good yeah so it
wasn't in my opinion it wasn't disrespectful so that's good okay yeah so there's your little
history lesson for today and that's where we're going to end it what do you think did I do a good
job you did an excellent job and you deserve a medal for getting through all of that reading
material that I couldn't get through oh well I couldn't get through the poor old Krogan man
and his nipples torn off that was awful oh goodness okay well that is our little history lesson
that hopefully was a little bit of a I don't know I thought this is a really cool story but I'm glad
that we could do this as opposed to talking about some of the stories that we have been talking
about in the last couple weeks yes this was a very interesting turn of the tables yeah so at this stage
I always ask do you have a teachable moment for us teachable moment yes I know it's difficult to
travel these days especially with COVID I think we're still in the residuals of that but life
does seem to be getting back to normal and if you have not had an opportunity to visit a museum
where any of these bog bodies are that we had talked about today do it get out of the house and
make up for lost time people these younger generations have so many distractions with
social media bog bodies on tiktok video games and all the other things that Beth you and I didn't
actually grow up with and there are some things to be said about gaining appreciation of history
through your own personal experiences I personally have been to the Smithsonian's in Washington DC
I've been to New York's and Atlanta's art museums and countless Aboriginal museums in Canada
Beth I don't remember you actually going with me on those trips but dad used to take me there
all the time and that was one of my really fond memories of historical remnants of Canadian history
that's because your dad's favorite he didn't have favorites or so he said oh he did did he tell you
that did he really tell you that though no he didn't have to no but I will go but I will go to
a palm reader or somebody and I will find out for you will you please find out because I'm going to
say I think I was his favorite but he didn't really show it because in all actuality he was
yeah you were his favorite okay maybe because I was the one that really loved to go to these
museums with him because we did go all the way up to Moosonee Ontario one time up there and really
toured some historical areas and it was really really cool to see those cultures living way up
north it would be yeah so you never went to the long houses with us I did and how he used to talk
about preparing the dead for burial rituals okay I always found that to be very very interesting
I don't care how old I was yes it was and you know the other cool thing was anytime he'd see
a freshly plowed field we would have to stop because that was the best time to find arrowheads
yes and he always found the good ones I could never find anybody he always found the good ones
but I found the best one and the biggest one oh and you'll never believe where where where we grew
up really where yes I was running through a field beside your friend Jill yeah and as I was running
I spotted it and then I stopped and went over and dug it up and there it was it would be about two
inches in length wow perfect condition perfect condition and strangely from what we saw from
looking with dad this one was like a dirty ivory color did you show it to him oh well I did and he
took it and put it in with his collection did he say good job no okay so he took it and kept it
as his own yes okay well there you go and that's a wrap wait I'm not done with my teachable moment
sorry we got off track my point is yeah we did so my point is get off your screens and get out into
the world there's so much to see out there with more meaning behind getting your hands-on lessons
other than reading it online or in a textbook or even watching a documentary seeing is believing
folks and sometimes you need that up close and personal approach to fully comprehend how the
world was even 100 years ago so my teachable moment is to simply get out there and explore
where you can when you can and there we go that's my teachable moment today that was a very good one
I still love to go to museums and art galleries I do too I haven't been to one in quite some time
but I do have some local ones around here that I've been to occasionally but I've really seen all
I can see around here so it's time to venture out it is yeah so there we have it bog bodies and
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