1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,520 Hey guys! 2 00:00:01,520 --> 00:00:05,840 Welcome to Spilling the Crime, a true crime podcast hosted by 3 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:07,680 Me, Humberto Melo 4 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:09,680 And me, Jonas Grancha 5 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:17,440 Join us in this big adventure where we will be talking about crimes with a tipsy twist 6 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:22,160 How this crime happens, I want to know what the fuck is being wrapped in chocolate 7 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,320 Her name is Sharma 8 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:26,640 Melnglind 9 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:30,640 Magma... Magmar? Magmar men enjoy this one 10 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,840 Where's the dick, Lorena? Where's the dick? 11 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:35,840 Dangerous questions 12 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:37,360 Yeah, why? 13 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:39,360 We did not agree with this 14 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:41,360 Carlos said that... 15 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:42,560 Don't copyright... What? 16 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:44,560 Don't copyright us 17 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:45,840 Yes, please don't block us 18 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:50,560 So grab your glass because the spilling is about to begin 19 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:52,400 Boop booooo 20 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,280 Hi everyone! This is Deb from Dying2Beefound 21 00:00:55,280 --> 00:01:00,080 Before we get started, I just wanted to say that episodes contain disturbing discussions 22 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:04,320 on harmful acts and crimes against animals and or humankind 23 00:01:04,320 --> 00:01:10,000 Recordings are not intended for young or sensitive audiences due to the content nature of this podcast 24 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,400 Listener discretion is strongly advised 25 00:01:14,960 --> 00:01:16,720 Well, hi everyone! This is Deb 26 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:18,000 And this is Beth 27 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:23,200 And we want to welcome you to episode number 28 of Dying2Beefound 28 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:25,360 Or at least I think it's episode 28 29 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:28,640 Beth, I'm so busy this week I'm not keeping up with that 30 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,920 But yeah, as always, we appreciate you joining us 31 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:34,000 And thanks so much for being here today 32 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:38,480 If you have a storyline that you would like to hear, please shoot us an email 33 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:41,840 Or you can now go to our brand new link tree 34 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,080 You can find the link tree in our show notes 35 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:47,360 Because who wants to be looking all over the internet for us? 36 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:49,840 So now you have us all in one place 37 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:51,600 I'm pretty excited about it 38 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:55,520 Before we get started though, as always, let's check in with Beth 39 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:56,960 Hi! What's up? 40 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:01,680 Well, I had a good weekend starting to think about fall already and the crispness 41 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,960 Because our evenings now are cool 42 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,120 How was that heat wave a couple of weeks ago? 43 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:08,400 It was hot 44 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,440 Holy, we're not used to such hot weather 45 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:16,560 Hey listen, before we get started, I wanted to mention the intro that you all just heard 46 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:20,720 And I found a really good new podcast called Spilling the Crime 47 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:23,120 And I love these guys' vibes 48 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,520 Umberto and Jonas are hilarious 49 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:28,560 I listened to them this morning while I was getting ready for work 50 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:30,240 So be sure to check them out 51 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:31,760 Yes, check them out 52 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:34,000 Is there anything else you want to talk about besides the weather? 53 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:34,500 No 54 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:40,320 So I'm going to tell our listeners today that our logo does say it all 55 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:42,800 We're always open to interpretation 56 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:47,760 So we're going to take a slight detour to our storyline today 57 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:53,120 Beth, I was feeling like there was a lot of heaviness as far as the stories that we've 58 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:56,800 been telling and I thought we would take a little palette cleanser today 59 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:58,320 I think it's a great idea 60 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:03,920 Yeah, so I want to thank you personally because you're giving me the storyline that I went to 61 00:03:03,920 --> 00:03:09,680 research on this and I'd never heard of our topic today so it's pretty cool and I'm looking 62 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,720 forward to telling you for our listeners, you all 63 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:17,280 Beth told me the story about the bog bodies, never heard of them 64 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:22,880 So she was all gung-ho and then she might have been wanting to go boating one of those weekends 65 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:25,280 Who knows because she loves the water that much 66 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,400 But I was the one that ended up researching this 67 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:29,840 It's a great story 68 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:35,920 It's going to kind of take a detour from some of the morbid tales that we have to tell 69 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:37,840 But I'm excited about this one 70 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,000 And I don't think anybody else has done this 71 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,760 I searched under podcast bog bodies 72 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:45,360 Yeah, nothing came up 73 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:49,360 So folks, we're the first to present this with you 74 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,960 Yeah, so hopefully our ratings will go up under documentaries 75 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:56,560 In where? I think in Iceland 76 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,120 We're doing pretty good in Iceland with the documentaries 77 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:02,080 So hey everybody in Iceland, thanks for listening 78 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:07,120 In my research on another topic, I happen to read the credits on other stories that might be of 79 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:12,880 interest and as soon as I saw bog bodies, I knew we'd have to get a good story to report 80 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,200 Especially after string of hard ones 81 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,000 Yeah, it has definitely been tough 82 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:22,240 So what has caught your attention with the bog bodies? 83 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:26,400 Well, I've always been interested in Pompeii 84 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:27,120 Oh yeah 85 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:32,080 For those who don't know of that, they had a big volcano back in 86 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,600 Oh my goodness, I don't even know what year or era that would be 87 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:43,520 But so long ago and the bodies were left with faces screaming when they were uncovered 88 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:48,080 And I learned all that in school and I really enjoyed that 89 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:49,120 Wow 90 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:51,360 Learning that history 91 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:55,040 Oh yeah, that's something that I've always enjoyed too 92 00:04:55,040 --> 00:05:00,320 I mean, dad has been phenomenal with giving us history lessons throughout our lives 93 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:07,200 But I don't think I appreciate, I mean, I loved going to the different museums and things that he would take us to 94 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:13,520 But I'm sure I probably didn't have a full appreciation of it until I was an adult 95 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:19,360 Yeah, we were pretty young when he took us to a lot of those places so we wouldn't have got as much out 96 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,240 But he sure did know his stuff 97 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:23,360 Yeah, he did 98 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:31,040 So why don't you tell our listeners what a bog is? Because again, I had no idea until I started researching this 99 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:38,640 But since this was your story that you roped me into researching, I want you to tell everybody what a bog is 100 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:43,760 Okay, it's a wetland area and it's a combination of land and water 101 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:52,640 The water flow is similar to a swampy area which is very still and does not generate a flow like you would see in a river, lake or stream 102 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:59,120 It accumulates an abundance of peat which is a mixture of moss integrated with other vegetation 103 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:07,760 and dead plant materials. It is used in peat fuel which tends to burn slower than a traditional log fire 104 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:14,560 And in my notes, I did see that there are bogs in the southern states 105 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:20,320 Yes, like in the, I feel like it's Louisiana, New Orleans area 106 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:27,200 Yes, and it says that the bogs there are totally different than the ones overseas 107 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:29,440 which is what we're going to be talking about today 108 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,640 I think I actually found one or maybe I touched on it 109 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:35,120 It's actually been a couple weeks since I've looked this up 110 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:39,840 But I will touch slightly on the bogs in North America 111 00:06:39,840 --> 00:06:43,280 But yeah, you're right, it's going to be more overseas 112 00:06:43,280 --> 00:06:44,800 Do you know the differences? 113 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,200 I read it but I didn't retain it 114 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:50,000 I'm such a goof 115 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:52,160 Oh goodness 116 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:57,440 Hey listen, I wonder though, is this the same peat moss that would be in my planters for the garden 117 00:06:57,440 --> 00:06:59,760 because it really absorbs a lot of water 118 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:03,120 And I really tried using that this summer when I was gardening 119 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,160 because I heard peat moss was really good 120 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:12,160 I live in a very dry area so in order to retain water so that my plants are trying to, you know 121 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:17,040 I'm trying to grow vegetables and I'm just experimenting a little bit this year 122 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:23,840 So I've thrown that in with my planters to hold in the moisture for flowers and veggies 123 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,120 Because I heard that the nutrients are really good 124 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:30,000 So I don't know if that's the same I'm assuming it is 125 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:34,480 It would have the same properties but it's not exactly 126 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:39,040 Okay, well I did read that peat moss can decompose a body 127 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:42,800 all the way down to its skeleton in just a couple months 128 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:46,160 due to its high acidity and low oxygen levels 129 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:52,640 But these bodies can also become well preserved through something similar to tanning 130 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:57,520 And what I mean by that I want you to think about a tanned hide when you've got these 131 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,320 I don't even know what the name of the person is 132 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:06,160 Turned flesh into leather so they have to tan the hide of an animal 133 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,280 I guess maybe they're called tanners 134 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:12,880 I'm not sure of the name neither but you're certainly on the right track 135 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:14,240 But you understand 136 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:14,720 I do 137 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:18,720 Yeah well since the first discovery of bog bodies Beth 138 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:25,120 more than 1,000 bog bodies have been found and are sometimes confused with murder victims 139 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,120 because of their mummified state 140 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:33,200 and much of the fact that their body is still intact when people discover them 141 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,360 Yes did you see the photos? 142 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:41,360 I did and I'm gonna say it's intriguing most definitely 143 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:44,080 But boy do they ever look like leather 144 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:50,160 It's almost disturbing in a way because the features are so predominant 145 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:54,880 Yes I totally agree with what you're saying it is creepy 146 00:08:54,880 --> 00:09:01,760 It is creepy definitely because every bit of their facial features even their fingernails 147 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:05,920 are preserved in such a way that it almost looks like they're bronzed 148 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,160 Like it's a bronzed statue 149 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:10,400 Yes exactly 150 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:13,120 Okay so you and I are on the same page 151 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:13,760 We are 152 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:20,480 Well we mentioned that these bogs are found overseas and more specifically in the northwestern 153 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:21,920 European areas 154 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:28,560 There are also bagel bogs found in North America around that Gulf Coast area Beth 155 00:09:28,560 --> 00:09:30,320 And I did look this up 156 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,680 Yeah that kind of rung a bell definitely in the New Orleans area 157 00:09:33,680 --> 00:09:36,160 And I have traveled there quite frequently 158 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:41,520 So I've seen the swampy lands but I have not seen the bogs per se 159 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:50,000 But I can imagine if you watch any movie that is where the scenery is like really old south 160 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:57,040 swampy areas then I think that would be comparable to the bog lands of the Gulf Coast 161 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:02,480 Well I've been to New Orleans several times and I certainly know what you're talking about 162 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:08,320 Yeah I cannot take the humidity there the climate there is beyond my comfort level 163 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:16,560 But I do know that the bogs can run very wide and deep and the decay does occur very slowly over time 164 00:10:16,560 --> 00:10:20,880 For our listeners who've never been to the deep south regions 165 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:26,480 Think about the movies where you see pictures where you have people living in the bayou 166 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:28,640 And they have houses built in the swamp 167 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:29,920 Are you imagining that Beth? 168 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,560 Yes I am I'm imagining CSI 169 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,840 Yes that's a great comparison 170 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:41,520 So you've got a lot of moss hanging over the trees as people glide through the 171 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,320 alligators in the still brown water 172 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:51,280 There are also lots of deep rooted vegetation in a very I would say icky low-lying area 173 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:55,840 So hot and sticky days but cool climates at night 174 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:58,160 All of that results in slow plant growth 175 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:04,400 And bogs are referred to as a cool weather swamp that naturally preserves human tissues 176 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:10,880 And provides the tannins that I had mentioned which is a natural chemical used in tanning leather 177 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:18,320 So that is why these bodies really are a combination of looking bronze and having that tanning effect 178 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:25,360 Yes when you say bronze it takes me back to the bronze figures that I had from dad 179 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:27,520 Do you remember those the military? 180 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:28,960 Oh yes I have some 181 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:36,160 It just it looks exactly the coloring and just the leathery look it just it is exactly 182 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:37,520 like it's been bronzed 183 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:45,920 Well interesting fact bogs sometimes give off a bluish flame that's caused by the chemical 184 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:54,400 reactions in those areas and folklore tales Beth say bogs are haunted and lure people in 185 00:11:54,400 --> 00:12:00,080 tempting them into its depths and doom through its own energy 186 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:01,760 Now what are your thoughts on that? 187 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:06,480 I would agree on another note I do like to go to psychics 188 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:11,840 Some of you might be cringing but I love it and some of the things do come true 189 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:16,960 You don't think so at the time I see that goes hand in hand with folklore tales 190 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:23,280 about hauntings and luring people in because I personally do believe that there are spirits among us 191 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:26,240 Oh yeah I absolutely do as well I agree 192 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:34,320 Well let's talk about the bog bodies archaeologists can date remains all the way back to 10,000 years 193 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:40,400 ago and I'm going to date myself in history just a bit here and lay out some time references 194 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:45,600 so when I talk about them you can get an idea of how old these bodies are 195 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:47,920 So let's go to history class shall we? 196 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:48,480 Yes 197 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:51,840 All right so we're going to talk about the stone age just really briefly 198 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:56,640 Which occurred approximately 3.4 million years ago 199 00:12:56,640 --> 00:13:04,080 This era was named the stone age because of when tools and weapons were made from stone 200 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:07,200 and consisted of sharp edge points 201 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:14,960 Now the bronze age Beth ironically was from 3300 BC to 1200 BC 202 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:20,160 It was named this because of the high use of bronze during this era 203 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:25,760 Now the iron age was between 1200 BC and 600 BC 204 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:30,560 which was named when settlers began using iron for tools and weapons 205 00:13:30,560 --> 00:13:31,360 Interesting 206 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:35,360 Yeah well again let's paint a picture of some of the remains 207 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:42,400 In some cases all that have been found are the skeletal remains but a lot of times these bodies 208 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:46,880 are mummified and their full composition is still intact 209 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:51,920 When I say intact I mean that their full remains are still preserved 210 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:55,840 and I encourage our listeners and you Beth if you've not done this so far 211 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:59,120 to go and look up some of the pictures of the bog bodies 212 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:04,480 because it really is pretty neat to see that human beings can be so well preserved 213 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:08,000 and they do look rather leathery in my opinion 214 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:11,760 but I mean that does not do it justice you have to go see for yourself 215 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:15,840 Yeah folks go look at those photos you'll be really wowed 216 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:21,120 Yeah archaeologists believe that many of the bodies ended up in the bogs 217 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:26,240 through accidental drawings as in being folklore being drawn in Beth 218 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:29,200 suicides and concealed murders 219 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:33,520 These areas were very hard to get to and very dangerous 220 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,320 but were resourceful to settlers back in the day 221 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:38,320 and I'm going to actually make a little side note here 222 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:42,160 because there was a movie with what was his name Matthew McConaughey 223 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,400 Well you can look up his name Google him 224 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:46,160 Why don't you Google him while I'm talking 225 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:48,640 Put Matthew in and McConaughey comes up first 226 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:50,400 He's one damn good looking man 227 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:56,640 Yeah he is and he's got a one of those voices you know what I mean 228 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:58,720 Free State of Jones 229 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:00,400 Yeah that's why I just found that 230 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:06,400 Civil War movie it's called Free State of Jones and it was just made in 2016 231 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:12,640 but I thought that was a really cool movie because he and his troops would go back to the bog area 232 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:17,760 anytime they wanted to have refuge away from being chased by other soldiers 233 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:20,800 that's where they went because nobody could catch them back there 234 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:22,400 That sounds like an interesting movie 235 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:24,480 It was really really good 236 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:29,600 So people would often travel through bogs to collect peat for fuel 237 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:35,120 which I had mentioned earlier burns a little slower than the wooden logs that most people use 238 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:41,840 They also collected materials to make their textiles baskets and even roofing for shelter 239 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:46,160 Yes I believe that is done over around Ireland is it not? 240 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:47,680 It could be in Ireland 241 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:53,520 Now due to the density bogs were also home to abundant food resources 242 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,160 Of course it makes sense if it's hard to get in there Beth 243 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:58,560 I think the wildlife is really going to take over 244 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:04,400 Other bog bodies were discovered with their hair and fingernails neatly trimmed 245 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,280 Fingerprints were also preserved Beth 246 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:08,240 That is cool 247 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:14,640 And archaeologists could even see well-defined tattoos on some of these bodies 248 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:16,640 For goodness sakes 249 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:17,200 Yeah 250 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:22,960 Researchers believe that many bog bodies were taken there for ritualistic ceremonies 251 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:25,600 due to the conditions they were found in 252 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:29,200 and that's something I'm actually going to touch on as we go on 253 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:32,560 Artifacts such as ceramics and jewelry 254 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:34,800 long plates of human hair 255 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:37,200 and figurines carved from wood 256 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:41,360 plus musical instruments were also discovered in the European bogs 257 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:47,440 Archaeologists believe that these items may have been used for bargaining, thanksgiving 258 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,960 or honoring local spirits or ancestors 259 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,120 The ones that lure you in I'm sure 260 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:55,120 Yes they certainly would 261 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,920 Do do do do do do do do do 262 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:02,320 Well we're going to talk a little bit about some violent deaths here Beth 263 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:03,600 It actually gets 264 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:09,360 I mean this portion of my research that you forced me into I couldn't get past all this 265 00:17:09,360 --> 00:17:12,160 I couldn't neither that's why I asked you to do it 266 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:18,320 It was a lot to wrap my head around for sure but I just it was almost like the rabbit hole on this one 267 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:22,160 You find one and then there's another one and then there's another one 268 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:23,120 Yes 269 00:17:23,120 --> 00:17:26,880 Yeah so I found a lot more than I expected on this so it's kind of cool 270 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:32,400 Evidence points to a lot of violent deaths which may contribute to the ritual 271 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:36,160 or may actually contribute to the rituals that I had mentioned 272 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:42,960 because when found most bog bodies were found to have experienced strangulation or blunt force 273 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:50,000 or sharp force trauma which basically means Beth that somebody unfortunately got whacked over the head or stabbed 274 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:58,480 Researchers believe that many of the bog bodies are that of executed criminals or ceremonial scapegoats 275 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:04,240 So I think that's a good example for members of the community to watch out for themselves 276 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:08,080 and this would be something that they did to keep the community members in line 277 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:10,400 How would they know to do that? Do you know what I mean? 278 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:11,760 How would they know to do what? 279 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:14,240 Like how do they know that throwing a body in there? 280 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:20,240 I don't think that they actually had full knowledge of what would happen with the bodies Beth 281 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:26,400 I think that over time I mean I had mentioned that some of these bog bodies go back 10,000 years 282 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,200 I think that this was just an easy way to dispose of the body 283 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,760 I mean what better way if there's alligators? 284 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:32,640 Yes, you're right 285 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:39,760 Or a thick brush where you know there's not going to be a ton of evidence left behind 286 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:44,960 so if they're just dumping these people in the bogs then they're probably thinking these people 287 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:50,240 are going to sink or maybe be eaten by wild animals out there 288 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:51,360 I see your point 289 00:18:51,360 --> 00:18:54,240 So it's just an easy place to go dump people 290 00:18:54,240 --> 00:19:02,560 Also along the lines of violence hands and ankles were tied and in some cases there was evidence 291 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:09,200 of hanging that had occurred and multiple bodies were discovered decapitated or dismembered 292 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:10,720 throughout the bogs 293 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:17,040 Many heads of both men and women had been found across Britain and Ireland 294 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:20,160 likely going as far back as the Bronze Age 295 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:24,000 So that goes back to 3300 BC to 1200 BC 296 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:25,520 That's a long time ago 297 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:33,440 So can you give us a little information on what type of bog bodies you're finding in your reading? 298 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:40,000 Oh gosh yeah I actually came across several famous bog bodies that I did not know was famous 299 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:48,480 until I did my research a 2000 year old I'm going to say yiddy it's y-d-e and I apologize 300 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:52,800 for chopping up any of the pronunciations somebody please correct me 301 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:54,800 Not that you've ever done that before 302 00:19:54,800 --> 00:20:01,040 No I really do try to go and listen to the pronunciations because I'm trying to respect 303 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:06,800 the topics and the families that we're discussing but I'm going to say in this case 304 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:10,160 I couldn't find the pronunciation so I'm going to say a yiddy girl 305 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:14,080 We believe that she's 2000 years old from the Netherlands 306 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:20,080 She was discovered in 1897 in the whole scheme of things Beth that was not that long ago 307 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:20,480 No 308 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:30,400 The yiddy girl was believed to be somewhere around the age of 16 and lived between 100 BC and 50 AD 309 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:34,000 It looked like she had severe scoliosis 310 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:39,520 When she was found she was wearing a wool cloak and appeared to have been strangled to death with 311 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:43,840 a cord because it was still wrapped around her neck when she was found 312 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:48,640 Researchers also believe that she was stabbed near her left collarbone 313 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:53,840 and they believe that this was a ritualistic killing because of her spinal condition 314 00:20:53,840 --> 00:21:00,720 And I feel like a lot of the people who were sacrificed back in that era 315 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:06,080 usually were had a ritualistic killing because if they had a condition such as that 316 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:07,920 they were the first ones to be targeted 317 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:11,920 Yes we've talked about that in some of our podcasts 318 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:21,280 Many other bog bodies had also been found to have spina bifida, scoliosis, skeletal dysplasia, 319 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:26,640 or dyschondrosteosis, otherwise known as shortening of the bones 320 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:34,480 Now half of yiddy girls hair had been cut off which was pretty common with many of the other bog bodies 321 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:41,360 found throughout the years so that just seemed to be a tradition to cut off half the hair before they performed rituals 322 00:21:41,360 --> 00:21:50,000 Now the second bog body was a 2400 year old Tolland man from Tolland, Denmark 323 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:56,560 who was found in 1950 by two brothers who were out cutting peat at the local bog 324 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:58,080 probably for fuel bath 325 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,960 That would be pretty creepy finding somebody 326 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:02,400 Wouldn't it though? 327 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,200 Yes not expecting it and bam 328 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:12,960 Well the brothers Vigo and Emil thought that Tolland man had only recently passed away 329 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:18,160 because they could still see his eyelashes and chin stubble 330 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:18,880 Wow 331 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:20,880 That is preservation right there 332 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:22,000 It is 333 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:30,080 Tolland man was wearing a pointed sheepskin hat and was estimated to be somewhere around the age of 30 to 40 years old 334 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:36,880 He was around the height of five foot two inches and researchers believe that Tolland man died 335 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:41,120 somewhere between 405 and 380 BC 336 00:22:41,120 --> 00:22:46,080 Now this is one of the coolest pictures that I did see if you guys have a chance to go look him up 337 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:50,240 Tolland man I had to go check out the chin stubble and the eyelashes 338 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,000 I'm gonna do that right now 339 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:53,680 Yeah well tell me what you think 340 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:54,560 I will 341 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:59,920 While you're doing that Beth I am going to let you know that Tolland man left a little surprise 342 00:22:59,920 --> 00:23:01,200 Oh what would that be? 343 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,880 Well it seemed he had not digested his last meal yet 344 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:09,920 He had likely eaten shortly before he was hung to death so he probably had a last meal 345 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:15,200 which consisted of porridge containing barley, flax and other seeds 346 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:20,800 and more recent research also discovered fish proteins in his system as well 347 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:28,080 So through DNA testing I'm sure they were able to really really pinpoint some of the extra nutrients that were in his body 348 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:32,400 Well I found Tolland man and it's pretty creepy just seeing a head 349 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:38,160 You can even see some stitching in the headwear he was wearing 350 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,320 Yeah so what are your thoughts? 351 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,360 I mean they were found with their clothing intact 352 00:23:43,360 --> 00:23:45,840 So well preserved it's unbelievable 353 00:23:47,120 --> 00:23:49,280 Unbelievable folks you have to go look 354 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:49,920 Oh yeah 355 00:23:49,920 --> 00:24:00,240 And that is spelled T-O-L-L-U-N-D man it's all you have to put in and then the mummified corpse will come up 356 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:01,200 Thanks Beth 357 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:10,240 Okay researchers believe that the ingredients that Tolland man had in his system pointed to a special occasion 358 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,280 or ritualistic practices like I had mentioned 359 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:19,520 He was discovered with his eyes and mouth shut as well as lying in a fetal position 360 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:25,200 So he was likely at some point somebody closed his eyes closed his mouth 361 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:29,840 and I'm not really sure how he would have gotten into that fetal position 362 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:37,760 but I would assume that if he was left in the bogs to decompose that's an odd position to be left in 363 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:39,040 It is isn't that 364 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,040 Yeah so somebody had to have done that 365 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,200 Yeah because it says he was hanged 366 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,920 Yeah that's true so they would have had to have cut him down 367 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:52,480 Well during the ice age people were known for digging for peat which signifies gratitude towards the land 368 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,840 So I had mentioned that that's part of the rituals right 369 00:24:55,840 --> 00:25:02,560 He still had a well-preserved leather noose tied around his neck and he was supposedly hung 370 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,920 but Ashley died of suffocation and not a broken neck 371 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:12,080 He also had parasites which likely contributed to drinking contaminated water 372 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:19,520 and Toland man's hair brain skin nails and intestines were all preserved 373 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:23,120 That's hard to imagine really intestines too 374 00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:26,480 Yeah so wanted to drop another interesting fact 375 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:32,480 There was another woman by the name of Elling woman who was found in 1938 376 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:36,640 She was found 12 years prior to Toland man 377 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:44,480 and they would have lay only 200 feet between each other in the bogs for all that time Beth 378 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:48,960 For the years that they were in the bogs they were only 200 feet away from each other 379 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,360 That's not far that's kind of interesting 380 00:25:51,360 --> 00:26:00,000 Yeah so Elling woman was probably around the age of 25 and lived during the early iron age 381 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:08,960 and Elling woman also died of hanging had her hair braided and was found wearing a cloak that was sewn with fine thread 382 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,840 Well looking at the picture here I do see the cloak 383 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:17,440 Yeah and they took such great care to clothe her so I thought that was kind of interesting 384 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,480 There isn't much on her 385 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,400 Okay so you're looking this up as we go 386 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,520 I am I am 387 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,920 Aren't you being proactive I love that 388 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,720 Well let's move on to Old Krogan man 389 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:35,680 He was another bog body found in Ireland just in 2003 Beth 390 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:36,480 What? 391 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:44,240 Yeah so he is believed to have been alive somewhere between 350 and 175 BC 392 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,600 because he was found with classic signs of living in the iron era 393 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:53,440 Interestingly enough Beth Old Krogan man was extremely tall for that era 394 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:57,760 and would have been somewhere around 6'6 395 00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,440 and had a massive build 396 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:00,160 Wow 397 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,960 Yeah that is definitely a giant in the times 398 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:04,160 Certainly is 399 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:13,360 Researchers believe that he may have led a privileged life and is currently on display in the National Museum of Ireland 400 00:27:13,360 --> 00:27:15,200 I want to go to Ireland just to see him 401 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:16,320 It would be interesting 402 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:23,200 Actually that's on my bucket list anyway Ireland is on my bucket list and we have a great listener base over there 403 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:24,080 Good 404 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:24,560 Yeah 405 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:25,840 Hello Ireland 406 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,240 This is for you Ireland 407 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:41,200 Well Old Krogan man may have been at one time considered a failed king who may have ruled during a war famine or epidemic that caused him to be dethroned 408 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:47,760 If he was ruling the empire at that time and anything went awry of course he's going to be blamed 409 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,640 and that's when people would come after him to dethrone him 410 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:56,480 During unfortunate times like that it was common for royalty to be given a violent death 411 00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:02,880 so the new king coming in who was taking over would get the message that he'd better do something right 412 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,640 So Game of Thrones anyone? 413 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,360 Have you ever seen Game of Thrones? 414 00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:09,520 I've heard everybody watch it 415 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,720 Including my son 416 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:13,120 Yeah 417 00:28:13,120 --> 00:28:15,120 Adam named his dog Arya 418 00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:16,240 Oh 419 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,400 Am I on the right track with the right movie? 420 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,160 I don't know I've never watched it 421 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:21,040 Okay 422 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,400 I'm just pretending that I've watched it it's on my list of things to do 423 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:28,000 Okay yeah his husky is named Arya 424 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,120 Okay so he named it after one of the characters in Game of Thrones 425 00:28:31,120 --> 00:28:31,600 Yes 426 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,200 That's a beautiful dog 427 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,840 Thanks Deb I think he's pretty cute too 428 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,320 Too full of energy for my age 429 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,800 Oh yeah that would be Ava Ava Ava 430 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:47,840 Whoo okay I also read that Old Krogan man could have been a sacrifice to the gods 431 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:53,760 because get this Beth his nipples were cut off which goes back to the suggestion that he was a king 432 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,160 because sucking a king's nipples 433 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,120 Oh my god I'm gonna say this all over the place 434 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:00,960 Let's see if I can say this without laughing 435 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:02,880 I've never heard such a thing 436 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:08,880 Take a look at the Krogan or take a look of the old Krogan man and that'll calm you down 437 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:10,320 He is grotesque 438 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:14,800 Oh yeah I don't even remember it has been so long since I've done this research I'm winging it now 439 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:16,960 Look I'm trying to be serious 440 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,600 Serious here oh man 441 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:21,840 Okay hold on 442 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,240 Deb I read that he could have been the sacrifice to the gods 443 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:30,800 His nipples were cut off which goes way back to the suggestion that he was a king 444 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:36,160 because sucking a king's nipples was a gesture of submission in ancient Ireland 445 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:37,280 It's that easy 446 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,920 Just think how horrible he looks 447 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:41,760 It did that was horrifying 448 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:46,640 With all that said and done of trying to get this out Beth his nipples were cut off 449 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:50,320 which goes back to the suggestion that he was a king because 450 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:57,600 I'm glad to see your lines 451 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,920 Okay now I'm getting that image of how off atrocious he is 452 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:09,920 After oh my god you all this is so hilarious I've been laughing about this because of the line 453 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:14,560 I'm trying to get out right now and I'm trying to envision on how horrific this guy looks 454 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:19,760 because there's no way I could tell visually to note that his nipples had been cut off 455 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:26,080 It was known that sucking a king's nipples was a gesture of submission in ancient Ireland 456 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:31,680 and removing old krogan man's nipples points toward that failed king theory 457 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:35,440 Okay ultimately old krogan man died of strangulation 458 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:40,480 stabbed wounds to the chest and was eventually disemboweled 459 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:42,400 You know what that means right 460 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:43,200 I do 461 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:50,160 Yeah okay so defensive wounds were found on his upper arms suggesting that he fought for his life 462 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:54,560 Now remember it's speculated that he was six foot six inches tall 463 00:30:54,560 --> 00:31:00,000 and he still he had to have probably an army of people attacking him 464 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:05,200 because if he was a strong man well he had holes cut into his arms 465 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:11,760 to attach a twisted hazel to stake the corpse into the bog and prevent him from surfacing 466 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:17,680 So I personally wanted to know what a twisted hazel was and you know those the wreaths that 467 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:22,960 you can find at Hobby Lobby that are made of sticks and then kind of intertwined with each other 468 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:23,600 Yes 469 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:28,160 So that's what a twisted hazel is and they use that to stake him into the bogs 470 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:29,360 I actually see it 471 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:30,160 You see what I mean 472 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:36,560 Yes I actually found a photo of the old krogan man as we're speaking and I do see 473 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:42,000 that he does have that twisted hazel around his it looks like a bracelet 474 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:42,800 Really 475 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,880 Yeah and his in the one body I mean this is a horrifying photo 476 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,200 Yeah this only like his torso 477 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,560 And if you blow it up you'll see it was on his left arm 478 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,480 Oh I see it by his bicep 479 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:56,080 Yes 480 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,560 I see it like a leather arm ring 481 00:31:58,560 --> 00:31:58,960 Yeah 482 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:00,880 Okay interesting 483 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:05,360 You certainly can tell that they did fight very hard with this man 484 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,360 because he certainly is damaged 485 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:07,920 Oh yeah 486 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:14,720 So we're going to move on to the next bog body who probably experienced one of the more brutal deaths 487 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:23,840 so far Beth Lindow man who is believed to be in his 20s died between 29 BC and 129 AD 488 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:29,200 and he was discovered near Wimslow Cheshire in 1984 489 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:33,520 Lindow man is currently on display in a British museum 490 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,960 It's cool that Europe has these bog bodies on display 491 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:37,520 It is 492 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:38,960 Is it disrespectful though? 493 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,440 No I don't think so it's part of history right? 494 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:42,400 Yeah that's true 495 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:46,160 There's not much left of this poor man when I'm looking at his photo now 496 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:47,360 No do you know why? 497 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:47,840 Why? 498 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:55,360 He was examined by more than 50 research experts so he's one of the more researched bog bodies 499 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:56,080 Interesting 500 00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:03,120 Yeah and even more interesting Beth he had a mustache and beard mild arthritis good teeth 501 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:04,720 and was well manicured 502 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,720 He sounds like he's the upper crust 503 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:13,360 Yep he only wore a fox fur band on his left arm but was otherwise naked when he was found 504 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:17,280 Lindow man was discovered by a heavy blow to his back 505 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,560 Did you say this is the one you're looking at right now? 506 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:21,200 Yes 507 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:25,680 So he had a heavy blow to his back and was marked by a broken rib 508 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:31,200 and had two massive axe wounds in his head and his jugular was cut out 509 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,320 Oh my gosh they're really archaic aren't they? 510 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:41,360 Uh-huh yeah speaking of that he was also garreted or strangled with a ligature made from animal 511 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:47,920 tendons and archaeologists believe that his throat was cut before being thrown face down into the bog 512 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:48,560 Wow 513 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:54,800 Yeah the radiologist who performed x-rays on Lindow man named him Pete Marsh get it? 514 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:56,640 I do 515 00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:01,760 Well he was given this name at first when they wanted to look for fillings to determine 516 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,200 if this was a modern body or a bog body 517 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:06,000 Oh 518 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:12,240 Remember how I said that bogs were common to throw or disguise murdered bodies? 519 00:34:12,240 --> 00:34:12,800 Yes 520 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,680 They were probably looking to see if he was a modern body 521 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:23,920 So moving on to Grobble man he was found in Denmark in 1952 when Pete Cutters were working 522 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:29,920 in the bogs and Cutters were aware of Toland man who was found in that area 523 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,880 They were actually very mindful when digging 524 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:39,760 However the crew accidentally struck Grobble man's head with a shovel but he was still 525 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:46,560 successfully excavated otherwise and is now the most x-rayed and analyzed corpse in the world 526 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:54,320 Grobble man's last dinner was soup laced with a hallucinogenic fungus similar bath to LSD 527 00:34:54,320 --> 00:35:00,080 Experts believe that this was given to him to put him in somewhat of a trance state 528 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:05,360 before a ritualistic sacrifice where they cut his throat from ear to ear 529 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:10,080 and the reason he's believed to have been sacrificed is due to the bad harvest 530 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,840 where people were performing rituals to a fertility god 531 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:19,040 They were basically praying and holding rituals for a good crop 532 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:26,960 CT scans show that Grobble man received a sharp blow to his knees in order to incapacitate him 533 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,800 So he probably got struck down that's when he was attacked 534 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:37,120 Additional CT scans showed that he was likely malnourished when he died 535 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,640 and probably was more than likely poor 536 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:45,200 Contents from his stomach showed that his last meal was ground corn porridge 537 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:49,040 which was pretty much known at the time as a popper's diet 538 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,800 Can I interrupt? I want to mention about that red hair because I'm looking at him 539 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,880 Oh yeah he was the one with the red hair 540 00:35:54,880 --> 00:36:04,320 Yes that red hair is still long and thick and it really is a red hair that's very unusual 541 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:09,120 Maybe that's why they sacrificed him because he did have red hair 542 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,520 which was unusual for those days 543 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,120 Yeah you might have a point 544 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,320 I mean they targeted people if they had spinal issues 545 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,680 then I can see that he might have been targeted because of his hair 546 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:20,240 Yes 547 00:36:20,240 --> 00:36:26,640 Now lesser known bog bodies have been discovered but I felt were just as interesting 548 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:31,920 During the archaic times people were known to bury their dead in the bog areas 549 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:37,440 and wooden stakes were driven through the deceased body to keep them from floating to the surface 550 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:42,720 and I feel like that's what happened to the old Krogan man to keep them from resurfacing 551 00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:52,400 In North America a total of 168 bog bodies dating back 8,000 years have been discovered so far 552 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:56,320 in Winedover Pond which is located in Florida 553 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,200 Get out! That's a lot of bodies 554 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:03,840 Sure is I mean that's kind of you have to think wow that's a little fishy 555 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,520 that there would be that many in that area eh? Oh for sure 556 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:15,600 When some of these bodies were discovered their DNA showed that many bog bodies were of Asian or Native American descent 557 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:23,200 and many showed little tooth decay but their teeth were ground down quite a bit due to sand being in their food 558 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,640 or people using their teeth as tools during the time 559 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:32,560 I'm going to move on to Amcot's Moor woman who was discovered in 1748 560 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:40,000 discovered in 1747 in Lincolnshire England and I don't have a lot to go on with this case Beth 561 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:47,680 but all that is left of her is her left shoe made of leather that places her in the Roman period 562 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,040 I thought that was interesting 563 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:49,920 Yes 564 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:56,160 Her right shoe and hand at one time were sent off to the Royal Society in London 565 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,920 but these artifacts have since disappeared that's a shame 566 00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:01,360 It is it is 567 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:10,000 Another bog body was that of Warsley Mann whose head was discovered in 1958 near Manchester England 568 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:19,040 and he's believed to date back to the early to mid-Roman periods which falls between AD 131 and 251 569 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:25,040 He's believed to be between the age of 26 to 45 at the time of his death 570 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:33,600 and was discovered in the bogs during a modern day police investigation of a man who police thought had murdered his wife 571 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:39,440 How interesting Beth that they're out there in the bogs looking for this guy and they come across Warsley Mann 572 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,680 Yeah that would be again creepy 573 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,080 Oh yeah when you're not looking for him absolutely 574 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:52,000 Well Warsley Mann had a sharp object buried in his neck tissue which leads researchers to believe that he was decapitated 575 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,040 Oh 576 00:38:53,040 --> 00:39:02,720 And they also believe that someone made two attempts on decapitating him where Warsley Mann was nicked in the jaw at least once 577 00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:08,960 Regardless both blows came from behind with either a wide blade sword or an axe 578 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:14,240 He also had metal staples and twists of wire pinning his flesh together 579 00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:20,560 Some say maybe like an ancient stitch if he had cut himself he might have had stitches I'm not really sure 580 00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:24,080 Interesting for going back all those years 581 00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,000 Yeah to the Roman times 582 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:31,120 Yeah it sounds like modern medicine with metal staples and wire pinning 583 00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:40,240 A 2300 year old cloney caveman man found in Ireland looked to be a vegetarian as fruits and 584 00:39:40,240 --> 00:39:46,640 vegetables were still found in his stomach so Beth this bog body also kept up with his grooming 585 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:56,000 because he had styling gel in his hair made from pine resin and plant oils known to come from France and Spain 586 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,600 How interesting is that? 587 00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:03,840 Very I can't believe that men back then would be worried about gelling hair 588 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,720 Yeah that's ingenious for the time for sure 589 00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:10,160 Archaeologists believe that he may have come from royalty 590 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:21,360 Cloney caveman man died from three blows to the head but was also strangled stabbed hit on the nose and chest and was disemboweled 591 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:26,000 Researchers believe that he was also sacrificed as a ritualistic death 592 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:32,640 We're going to talk quickly about two weirding men who were found in the Netherlands in 1904 593 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:39,920 and could have been alive between 100 BC and 50 AD the same time around as the yitty girl 594 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:47,200 and although we refer to these two as weirding men some believe that they were a man and woman couple 595 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:52,640 others believe that they could have been brothers father and son or even lovers 596 00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:59,840 one of the weirding men had a large chest wound was disemboweled which can be a sign of the iron age 597 00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:07,840 Europeans attempting to see into the future by reading a victim's intestines or internal organs 598 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:16,240 reading as in spiritual hunt yeah like you're psychic that is strange isn't it though like back in the day 599 00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:23,440 okay no tvs nothing to not all these distractions that we have today like where do they come up with some of these things 600 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:28,560 that one is unbelievable can't even imagine how they would come up with that 601 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:37,360 I know I wonder if yitty girl and weirding men were somehow related Beth because they were both alive around the same year 602 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:44,160 now this is something I was just thinking about and they were both found in the same bog areas in the Netherlands 603 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:50,960 so could the yitty girl be the daughter of we're gonna say the weirding men but if some people 604 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:56,240 believe that the couple was man and woman maybe yitty girl was their daughter that could be very 605 00:41:56,240 --> 00:42:01,280 interesting thought there I mean I'm sure the researchers know better than me I'm just a podcaster 606 00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:06,320 okay oh I'm trying to do this in a German way because I took German in high school Rensweren 607 00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:13,520 man which I know I'm butchering it and I and I don't mean to Rensweren man was discovered in Germany 608 00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:22,480 in 1871 and was the first to be labeled as a bog body he was believed to be around the ages of 40 and 50 609 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:30,160 and lived between 100 BC and 100 AD he was also believed to be a murder victim who died due to a 610 00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:36,560 blow to the head and afterwards his body was smoked to preserve it then placed in the bogs 611 00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:43,440 with a woolen cloak and a skinned cape now that's crazy yeah I thought that was really interesting 612 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:48,640 that they would smoke his body I mean smoking does that preserve it any more than putting them 613 00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:55,120 in the bogs I've never heard and not in everything I've ever read about smoking a body anyway yeah 614 00:42:55,120 --> 00:43:01,280 that's pretty cool goodness I'm not sure how to say this one is Geig man was discovered in Galloway 615 00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:08,160 Ireland in 1821 and is believed to be around 25 years old researchers believe that he was alive 616 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:16,480 between 400 and 200 BC and was one of the bodies staked down he was discovered lying on his side 617 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:22,000 naked but covered with a skin cape and it appeared that he was strangled to death with a band of 618 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:30,880 willow rods now Osterbe man was discovered in Osterbe Germany in 1948 only his decapitated head 619 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:38,400 was found which was wrapped in a deer skin cape he had a blow to his left temple which is likely 620 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:46,480 what had killed him when discovered Osterbe's hair had turned red from peat chemicals okay interesting 621 00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:53,600 because that's the same as grobble man I wonder if the peat is turning their hair red could be it 622 00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:59,600 sounds like it doesn't it yeah when he was discovered his hair had turned red from peat chemicals 623 00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:07,440 and he was tied to a swabian knot commonly worn by a tribe in Germany at the time Winsby girl was 624 00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:14,160 found in England in 1952 with half her hair cut off I had mentioned Beth that that was a ritual of 625 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:23,200 the time she is believed to have only been 13 or 14 years old when she died oh yeah she was found 626 00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:31,200 with a woolen blindfold over her eyes and likely died obviously of unnatural causes a man was also 627 00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:38,560 found at the same time lying only five yards from Winsby girl's body and some believe that the couple 628 00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:46,480 were being punished for committing adultery that makes sense yeah it does so it's unfortunate last 629 00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:54,720 but not least Meany Braden woman was found in Ireland in 1978 and researchers believe that she 630 00:44:54,720 --> 00:45:03,040 came from the 16th century anywhere between 1500 and 1600 AD she wore a woolen cloak and was in 631 00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:09,680 her late 20s or early 30s and researchers believe that she was a murder victim or may have died by 632 00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:15,920 suicide so that was the list of bog bodies that I came up with Beth and there could have been more 633 00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:23,120 than this but I wanted to end by telling you that bog bodies are becoming quite the thing on TikTok 634 00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:29,840 what can you imagine what yeah more than eight million people viewed the Haldre Miss woman bog 635 00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:36,320 body on TikTok which was another bog body found in similar conditions as the others that I had 636 00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:43,120 talked about now what do you think of people going on TikTok and doing their thing talking about bog 637 00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:48,320 bodies on social media well I was going to say that's horrifying but what are we doing oh my gosh 638 00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:55,040 you are so right well we're giving a historical aspect documentary to the mysteries of the bog 639 00:45:55,040 --> 00:46:00,320 bodies but you're right I guess they're doing their own little 15 second stint well we're going to 640 00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:08,000 spend about an hour on this I don't think TikTok I hope they wouldn't be making fun and joking around 641 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:13,520 because that is somebody's body yeah I actually looked it up because you know I was like well a 642 00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:18,800 little bit I mean I really couldn't find very much on it oh did you technically I went to try to go 643 00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:24,960 look it up because I was like oh what well who's doing this on TikTok but in all aspects I couldn't 644 00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:30,400 find very much but what I did it did not look disrespectful it looked like it was more of the 645 00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:35,440 person in the background maybe showing the picture in the background like scenery good yeah so it 646 00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:40,720 wasn't in my opinion it wasn't disrespectful so that's good okay yeah so there's your little 647 00:46:40,720 --> 00:46:44,640 history lesson for today and that's where we're going to end it what do you think did I do a good 648 00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:51,280 job you did an excellent job and you deserve a medal for getting through all of that reading 649 00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:57,600 material that I couldn't get through oh well I couldn't get through the poor old Krogan man 650 00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:05,040 and his nipples torn off that was awful oh goodness okay well that is our little history lesson 651 00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:10,000 that hopefully was a little bit of a I don't know I thought this is a really cool story but I'm glad 652 00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:14,800 that we could do this as opposed to talking about some of the stories that we have been talking 653 00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:22,240 about in the last couple weeks yes this was a very interesting turn of the tables yeah so at this stage 654 00:47:22,240 --> 00:47:29,280 I always ask do you have a teachable moment for us teachable moment yes I know it's difficult to 655 00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:34,560 travel these days especially with COVID I think we're still in the residuals of that but life 656 00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:41,280 does seem to be getting back to normal and if you have not had an opportunity to visit a museum 657 00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:47,840 where any of these bog bodies are that we had talked about today do it get out of the house and 658 00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:53,920 make up for lost time people these younger generations have so many distractions with 659 00:47:53,920 --> 00:48:00,160 social media bog bodies on tiktok video games and all the other things that Beth you and I didn't 660 00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:06,640 actually grow up with and there are some things to be said about gaining appreciation of history 661 00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:13,840 through your own personal experiences I personally have been to the Smithsonian's in Washington DC 662 00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:21,200 I've been to New York's and Atlanta's art museums and countless Aboriginal museums in Canada 663 00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:26,160 Beth I don't remember you actually going with me on those trips but dad used to take me there 664 00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:32,880 all the time and that was one of my really fond memories of historical remnants of Canadian history 665 00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:40,480 that's because your dad's favorite he didn't have favorites or so he said oh he did did he tell you 666 00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:47,120 that did he really tell you that though no he didn't have to no but I will go but I will go to 667 00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:54,640 a palm reader or somebody and I will find out for you will you please find out because I'm going to 668 00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:59,200 say I think I was his favorite but he didn't really show it because in all actuality he was 669 00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:05,840 yeah you were his favorite okay maybe because I was the one that really loved to go to these 670 00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:13,520 museums with him because we did go all the way up to Moosonee Ontario one time up there and really 671 00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:20,080 toured some historical areas and it was really really cool to see those cultures living way up 672 00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:26,400 north it would be yeah so you never went to the long houses with us I did and how he used to talk 673 00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:32,800 about preparing the dead for burial rituals okay I always found that to be very very interesting 674 00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:38,240 I don't care how old I was yes it was and you know the other cool thing was anytime he'd see 675 00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:43,840 a freshly plowed field we would have to stop because that was the best time to find arrowheads 676 00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:49,520 yes and he always found the good ones I could never find anybody he always found the good ones 677 00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:57,680 but I found the best one and the biggest one oh and you'll never believe where where where we grew 678 00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:07,680 up really where yes I was running through a field beside your friend Jill yeah and as I was running 679 00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:13,680 I spotted it and then I stopped and went over and dug it up and there it was it would be about two 680 00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:22,080 inches in length wow perfect condition perfect condition and strangely from what we saw from 681 00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:28,320 looking with dad this one was like a dirty ivory color did you show it to him oh well I did and he 682 00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:34,080 took it and put it in with his collection did he say good job no okay so he took it and kept it 683 00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:43,040 as his own yes okay well there you go and that's a wrap wait I'm not done with my teachable moment 684 00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:51,520 sorry we got off track my point is yeah we did so my point is get off your screens and get out into 685 00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:58,000 the world there's so much to see out there with more meaning behind getting your hands-on lessons 686 00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:04,320 other than reading it online or in a textbook or even watching a documentary seeing is believing 687 00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:10,800 folks and sometimes you need that up close and personal approach to fully comprehend how the 688 00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:19,760 world was even 100 years ago so my teachable moment is to simply get out there and explore 689 00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:26,480 where you can when you can and there we go that's my teachable moment today that was a very good one 690 00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:31,760 I still love to go to museums and art galleries I do too I haven't been to one in quite some time 691 00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:36,640 but I do have some local ones around here that I've been to occasionally but I've really seen all 692 00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:43,040 I can see around here so it's time to venture out it is yeah so there we have it bog bodies and 693 00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:49,600 deb's teachable moment and that's a wrap that is a wrap thanks for listening and before we go we 694 00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:55,520 would love for you to leave a review on one of your favorite podcast platforms that really does 695 00:51:55,520 --> 00:52:02,160 help us in our ratings be sure to follow us on instagram twitter facebook and pinterest at 696 00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:08,080 dying the number two the letter be found and if you like our episodes please rate share and 697 00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:13,040 consider buying us a coffee be sure to leave a comment at buy me a coffee.com 698 00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:18,240 slash dying to be found spelled just like you see it in our logo and thanks everybody 699 00:52:18,240 --> 00:52:33,440 we will talk to you next thursday bye