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Well hello everyone, this is Deb. And this is Beth. Welcome to episode number 16 of Dying

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to be Found. We're very glad that you are here today. And Beth and I try to cover stories that

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you can relate to. If you have a story you would like to hear, please email us at DyingToBeFound

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at gmail.com or visit our website at DyingToBeFound.com. Hey, before we get started, Beth,

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how are you today? I'm doing really well. I was up early. I got up at four without an alarm and I did

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my laundry and it was great. Hey, I have day one of vacation and wouldn't you know it, today's the

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day I woke up without the alarm. And I was like, really? Any other day of the week, I am hitting

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that snooze. Yeah, but you get so much done and when you're up so early, that's why I like to get

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up early like that. I just find I have so much more hours in my day to get things done. I learned a

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long time ago that my REMs kick in somewhere after 4 a.m. So my rule is if I wake up at four or later,

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I'm gonna stay up. You know, I'm a procrastinator. I'll get out of bed at the very last second. Oh,

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not me. As soon as my alarm goes up, my feet are on the floor. Well, you know, I have never liked to

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get up in the morning ever in my life. I know that. Because my REMs kick in after 4 a.m. and I only

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learned that about 10 years ago. Well, maybe you should go to bed earlier. It doesn't matter. My

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REMs kick in after 4 a.m. Oh, anyway, anything else going on? Yes, I'd like to give a big shout

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out to you. Happy birthday. Oh, thank you so much. Did my card make it to you yet? Yes, Beth. Oh my

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gosh, you all. I need to post this on social media. Beth, I'm gonna say you're a local renowned

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artist in your area because she does the most intricate work on her cards. And they are so good.

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I actually have picture frames around the house with her beautiful work. And this latest card

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that she sent me, holy cow, definitely going in its own frame. Thank you so much, Beth. You're

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welcome. I love you. I love you. And you're so sweet. And it is beautiful. So I'll post a picture

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of it. All right. Okay, so we are going to pick up where we left off with Elizabeth Smart in part one.

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And she is that 14 year old girl from Salt Lake City, Utah, who was abducted from her own bed

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in the middle of the night by a man named Emmanuel back in June of 2002. So I want to just give a

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really brief recap of part one. I would highly recommend that listeners, if you have not listened

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to part one, please go back and listen to that because we're going to take three different

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vantage points here. At the end of part one, we talked about the night that Elizabeth disappeared

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and her family's ordeal with her abduction, plus how the community and police responded. So

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if you've not listened to episode 16, part one, we highly recommend that you do so because

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we're really trying to provide you with the family's account of events that took place over

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a nine month period following Elizabeth's abduction and being taken from her home.

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While her parents were asleep just down the hall, I had mentioned during the last episode that

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police told Ed Smart, Elizabeth's dad, not to go public with his own investigation of Elizabeth's

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disappearance. I love that he didn't listen to them, Beth. We talked about that before,

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and sometimes you just got to do what you got to do, right? For sure, for sure.

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Well, Ed, his wife Lois and his two brothers, Tom and David, felt that the police were really

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not doing enough to bring Elizabeth home. So again, they did their own thing and they began

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digging into their own investigation, which is pretty cool. It is. We're finding a lot of this

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happening in our podcasts where the people are doing their own investigations. And I think that's

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just right on folks. I love that. I like to call them renegades for sure. You'll probably hear this.

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I don't know if you'll hear it today, but you'll certainly hear it from me. Anytime you all hear

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that somebody's being a renegade, it is because they are just going above and beyond, which is

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very admirable because a little bit later we'll see that it doesn't always happen. But in the

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meantime, Ed and Lois had set up a headquarters that dedicated somewhere around 2000 volunteers

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to help in the search with their daughter, Elizabeth. And Ed had made a sketch of who he

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believed was the person that who had took her based on what his daughter, Mary Catherine had said.

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Mary Catherine had come to him to say that she thought she knew who had taken Elizabeth and his

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name was Emmanuel. Emmanuel was a homeless street preacher who had done some work around the smarts

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home just a couple months earlier. So this is where our story is going to begin today. And I want to

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give you a really clear picture of who Emmanuel is and how he was eventually captured in broad

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daylight alongside of Elizabeth Smart. Beth, all I'm going to say is that you're going to be amazed

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with how the community came together on this one. Oh, that's really good. I love to hear where

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communities get together. I'm going to fast forward about four months to when Elizabeth's

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sister Mary Catherine went to her dad to tell him that it was Emmanuel who had taken her sister

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in the night. So according to my calculations, this would be somewhere around October or November of

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2002. Remember that Elizabeth was taken in June of 2002. Ed knew exactly who Mary Catherine was

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talking about. So back in November, we're going to go back just a little bit because again, I need to

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kind of set this up. This is everything that you heard in part one, but we're going to back it up

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a little bit because in November of 2001, somewhere around Thanksgiving here in America, obviously,

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because Canada is different. Well, Lois Smart had taken her six children downtown into Salt Lake

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City to do some shopping. And this is when she had crossed paths with a street preacher that went by

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the name of Emmanuel. Lois had gone home, talked to her husband, Ed, about this homeless man, and he

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was basically looking for work. So Ed ended up hiring Emmanuel to come fix the roof on the Smart's

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home. But Emmanuel only came for one day. And while he was there, he encountered Elizabeth and Mary

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Catherine very briefly as they had gotten home from school that day. I have a thought. Yeah, maybe he

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didn't want to stay very long because he knew what he wanted to do as soon as he saw the girls. That

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way people wouldn't remember him. Yeah, you are right. I totally agree with that. And we will find

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down the road that you are exactly right straight from his mouth. Now, February of 2003, eight months

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into the abduction, the family began their own investigation of Emmanuel noting that he was known

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to travel around the country as a preacher. Ed had created that sketch of Emmanuel based on his

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recollection of what the man looked like when he was panhandling in Salt Lake City back in November

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when Lois took the kids shopping and when he came to work at the Smart's home. So Beth, I have a

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question. Yes? This time period between the time that Lois took her kids downtown to the time that

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Ed made the sketch was somewhere around 10 months. How good is your memory over a 10 month period?

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Mine personally isn't very good. Yeah, I agree. I mean, I guess it would depend on the situation.

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remember who Emmanuel was amongst those 60 contractors, that's amazing. Yes, it is.

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Now, Ed's sketch was in my opinion, pretty spot on because if you're going out to the internet,

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you can see a pencil sketch of a clean shaven man and there's a lot of detail. So Ed's a pretty good

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artist and yeah, he drew a really good resemblance of who he thought that he was looking for. So he

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did a really good job based on his own recollections in that 10th month period, but there was just one

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problem. Uh oh. Yep. Well, Ed's sketch was that of a clean shaven man and there's nothing wrong with

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that because Emmanuel was clean shaven when he came to work on their house. But what was really

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going on in this period of time is that everyone should have been on the lookout for not a clean

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shaven man, but somebody that had more of a long scruffy beard. I don't know, Beth, is there

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in popularity, like right now, very long, very, very long scruffy beards are popular today? Are

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they popular in Canada? Not around my area. I haven't seen it. Facial hair on a man is very

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common now, very common, but I don't see it long like you probably have. Yeah. I want you to think

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of Moses. Oh yes. That's how long people wear their beards and Emmanuel was also doing the same thing

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back in 2002. He had a long scruffy beard and so people were not looking for that. They were looking

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for a clean shaven man just like Ed's sketch. I want to preface here. Don't forget that the police

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had told Ed not to publicize this sketch in the news media because they really didn't want Emmanuel

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to be scared off. I'm going to pick up on this in just a moment, but basically the policeman's

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thoughts were if this is put out on a news conference, then Emmanuel is going to see this and he's going

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to bolt. Good point. All right. So let's go into the history of this man that everybody seems to

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know as Emmanuel. He was born on October 18th of 1953 and was given the name Brian David Mitchell.

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Brian was born into a very strict Mormon family and was frequently punished as a young boy. You

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hear that a lot. I know that we've had that in several of our episodes, Beth, that these boys are

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unfortunately abused. Yes. Now I'm going to call him by the name of Brian just for a little bit

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and then hopefully we'll get back to the name Emmanuel. But I just want everybody to be clear

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that Brian and Emmanuel are the same person. Brian was found at an extremely young age to be

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very interested in sexual activities after he found a book on anatomy in the house. This was

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because his father began teaching Brian about being independent. Beth, I couldn't understand

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the connection between teaching Brian independence and sexual activities at a young age.

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Yeah, I'm of the same mindset. I don't understand the connection. Yeah. Well, he was known to take

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Brian out into the various areas of Salt Lake City. Just dropped him off, young kid, not really sure

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how old he was, but I can't imagine being dropped off anywhere and finding my own way home. That's

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what he did. Holy cow. Sorry, this is my opinion, but that is not the way to teach a young child

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independence. No. You know how I learned it? How? Do you know how dad used to always say,

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you will stand on your own two feet? Oh my gosh. So much so that when I was in very hard labor

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for my daughter, they didn't give epidurals or any gas back in the day on Prince Edward Island.

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So my husband would say, stand on your own two feet. That's what your dad would say. And that's

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what got me through. Oh, really? Yes. And I use that even to this day. I do too. And I tell other

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people that too. When I have an opportunity to be a mentor to somebody, I always tell them that I was

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taught to stand on my own two feet. Yeah. I'm very independent because of it. And I do appreciate

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that. Didn't appreciate it back then, but I sure do now. I know. It's a shame we don't understand

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what our parents are trying to teach us when we're young until we're this age. Exactly. Okay.

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Getting back to the story, Brian's dad, Sheryl Mitchell said that Brian had been playing house

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with neighborhood girls at a very young age and later began preying on these girls when he was in

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high school. One of these girls was Wanda Barzee, who will come up later during this story, actually

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in just a couple minutes. So yeah, one of these girls was Wanda. And by the age of 13, Brian was

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already getting into drugs and alcohol. He was considered the black sheep of his family and

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things didn't really change much after that. Brian simply tried to fit in as he moved into adulthood.

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I kind of get that too, because I think in my younger years, I would probably consider myself

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to be the black sheep of the family, just because I had a little spirit and different ideas on how

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life should go. Would you agree? Yes, I do. Unfortunately. Unfortunately. Well, by age 16,

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Brian was arrested for exposing himself to a child. Ooh. Yep. And sent to a juvenile facility.

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He eventually married at the age of 19 to a woman named Karen and produced two children

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from this short-term marriage. He eventually divorced Karen and fled to New Hampshire with

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both of his children and joined a Hare Krishna commune. He eventually returned to Salt Lake City,

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Utah around two years later and married his second wife named Debbie. Brian and Debbie had two more

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children and they too ended up getting a divorce. So let's talk about Wanda Barzee for just a moment,

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because I think it's really important to bring her up. She and Brian's paths do cross again.

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I will just give you just a really brief background. She had grown up to marry and ended up having six

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of her own children. But after 20 years of marriage, Wanda ended up getting a divorce from her husband

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and decided that she needed to go into counseling. And this is where she met Brian Mitchell. Brian

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and Wanda eventually ended up getting married, believe it or not, on the same day that his divorce

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was finalized from Debbie and Brian moved in with Wanda and her children from her first marriage.

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Brian was said to be a sadist towards his stepdaughter. And I'm going to give you a

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little scenario here. His stepdaughter had a pet rabbit. Oh, that's cute. I know, right? I've had

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pet rabbits and they were really sweet, soft and cuddly. Now one night she had asked what they were

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having for supper. And Brian had mentioned something like chicken. Well, the next day she had noticed

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that her rabbit was missing. And guess what, Beth? What? She found out that they had had that rabbit

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for dinner. Oh, that is absolutely horrible. Yes. He is a sadist for sure. That's just a small example

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of how he treated his stepkids. Oh, brutal. Now I want to give a little side note here because

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I don't know if you've, are you familiar with the author, John Krocauer? No. He wrote the books

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Into Thin Air. I've heard that book. Oh, really good book. I think years ago, I really started

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going into non-fictions and this was the book that really took me into that. Really? It's almost like

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I can't even read fiction anymore because I don't know, I'm a self-professed nerd. So I'm absorbing

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all this information. And so that was a, I highly recommend if you've not read that one, you should

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read that one. Into Thin Air. He also wrote the book Into the Wild. Have you heard of that one?

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I don't think so. That one is about a guy who went hiking and he got lost and ended up living in a

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bus for quite a long period of time. Oh my gosh. Yes. I heard of that. Well, he wrote another one

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called Under the Banner Sun and this is about the Mormon religions and also the fundamentalists.

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Do you know the difference between them? No, not at all. Okay. I don't really know a ton. I'm not

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claiming to be an expert here, but this is also an amazing book. It kind of goes along the story.

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You would completely understand his mindset of his belief systems. Now, I don't know if he's a

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fundamentalist Mormon or not, but I would compare him to that. They're the ones that believe in

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plural marriages. Okay. So I kind of wanted to mention this because in my opinion, as I was doing

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my research, the best way to describe Emmanuel is pretty much living as a fundamentalist. I do want

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to say that that is not acknowledged with the Church of Latter-day Saints. So question. Yeah.

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The Church of Latter-day Saints I've heard of. That's the Mormons. Okay. Okay. Thank you.

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And there's a high population of Mormons that live in Salt Lake City, Utah area because that is where

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the church was founded. Oh, interesting. Yeah. If you have a chance, you should go read that book

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Under the Banner Sun. It's really, really good. I'll write that down now. Yeah. So when Brian and

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Wanda first got married, they were very active in the Mormon church, but they began following,

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I'm going to say fundamentalist teachings that were not part of the Mormon teachings. Brian and

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Wanda's religious beliefs, in fact, were becoming extreme. And Brian began claiming that he was a

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prophet of God. Now that gets dangerous when they start to think about that. Yes. You know, I never

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even thought about that, but you are right. There is a higher level of danger in that mindset for

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sure. An example is the Jonesville killings. Yes. Yes. And I'm also thinking David Koresh.

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Do you know him? No, I don't. Okay. Well, good because we're going to talk about that one later.

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Okay. Brian and Wanda began receiving revelations from angels of the Lord where they were told to

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leave Salt Lake City and learn survivalist skills. Beth, you and I spent enough time out in the woods

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with dad camping to know that there are certain things that you need to do to survive in the woods.

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Oh yes. We're very well versed in that. Can I just add that when dad and I went on a road trip,

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he never paid for hotels or motels. We literally took a tent, pitched it in a ditch,

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and there we slept for the night. Yep. That's interesting. I don't remember you ever going

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on trips with him. I did back in 1981. Okay. He had taken me up to Moosonee, Ontario,

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quite a long time ago. And I'm sure that you got a postcard from Norman Lake. Do you remember that?

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No, I don't. Dad and I made a postcard to send back to you and Kathy, and it was on a piece of

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birch bark off of a tree. So my eccentricity comes honestly. Yeah. It's inherited.

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Yeah. All right. So Brian and Wanda were told to learn some survivalist skills,

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and they eventually left town and returned to Salt Lake City three years later. And this is when

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Brian started going by the name of Emmanuel. At some point in time, Wanda also went by Hethsaba.

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I also heard the name Olata, but for the purpose of my ability to pronunciate names here, I'm going

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to continue to call her Wanda. Yes, that's a good idea. Yeah. This is around the time that the pair

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began panhandling and preaching on the streets of downtown Salt Lake City. The couple began dressing

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in white robes and Emmanuel began growing out his beard to reflect the image of Jesus Christ.

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Emmanuel eventually ran into Lois Smart and her six children, then put in that one day's work at

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their home, working on the roof. It was on this day that Emmanuel had made the decision to abduct

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Elizabeth. What? Yep. He caught sight of her while they were out shopping. And he looked at her and

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said, that's the girl I'm going to abduct. Oh my gosh. And that's when he took her in the middle

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of the night on June 5th of 2002. So he had his eyes set on her from the very split second that

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he saw her. And you know, I have already mentioned that he only saw her briefly. So his intent of

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going to her house that day to work on the roof was to scope things out. So on the night that he

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took Elizabeth, Emmanuel forced her out of her home where they had made their way into the woods

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where Emmanuel and Wanda maintained a camp. Remember they were called to become survivalists

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so they were well versed in taking on the land and living in the elements. Very interesting. I do

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remember that part of the story now about their little camp. On July 24th of 2002, this would be

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somewhere around seven weeks after the abduction, Olivia Macy, who was Elizabeth's cousin, said that

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she woke up to hear her dad talking to the police. She heard him say something about a cut screen and

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someone trying to break into the house. And I want to let you know here that he also mentioned to the

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police while he was talking that they were related to Elizabeth Smart. Coincidence? Not. Exactly.

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First of all, I'm going to say I agree because the exact MO occurred just like the night that

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Elizabeth disappeared. Chairs were stacked at the bottom of the window and the screen was cut.

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However, Beth, police brushed this off as a copycat and continued to pursue that Richard

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Reese angle that we discussed in part one. However, the Smarts did take this as a sign

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that Elizabeth was still alive. That's exciting for them. Yeah, there's just that little glimmer

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of hope. Yes. Let's talk about some sightings that began happening somewhere in August of 2002.

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This was about eight weeks after the abduction. Emmanuel planned to leave Salt Lake City with

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Wanda and Elizabeth. On August 27th of 2002, the trio was sighted at a public library in Salt Lake

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City where they were researching plans to go to Southern California. Someone from the public library

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ended up calling the police to say that they thought Elizabeth Smart was there. A homicide

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detective approached Emmanuel, Wanda, and Elizabeth inside the library and started asking questions.

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He never said who he was looking for, but he did request to see the girl's face. Now, Wanda had

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placed her hand on Elizabeth's lap as if to say, don't say a word. Can you imagine? I can just imagine

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her squeezing the knee. Well, due to the threats that Elizabeth had constantly received regarding

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her family, Elizabeth did not say anything. Oh, that would be pretty horrific for Elizabeth.

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Emmanuel, on the other hand, was very convincing and said that only he was allowed to look at his

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daughters and his wife's face according to their religion. Emmanuel refused to let either of these

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women lift up their veils because of their religion. And of course, the detective couldn't rebuke that,

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right? Right. Yeah. So without any evidence and seeing who the girl might be, there was not a ton

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that he could do. So he ended up leaving and so did the trio. They got out of dodge pretty quickly

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after that. And I will say briefly that Elizabeth had said that this was the moment that she had

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wished she spoke up because it would have saved her about six months of captivity. Well, and a lot

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of damage can be done in just six months. Oh yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. If you are under somebody's

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authority for that long, especially at her age too, age 14, that's still impressionable. And you know,

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she's got to be worried. Yes. The trio made their way to Lakeside, California, which is Southern

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California. It's approximately 750 miles away from Salt Lake City. Unusual appearances on how people

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dress were really not uncommon in this area. You know, people living in California, locals called

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the trio the worshipers. Passersby would ask why the women were veiled and Emmanuel answered that

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they covered themselves up to protect them from the sins of the world. Wow. That's a good excuse,

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eh? Yeah, it would be a good excuse. Absolutely. He's quick on his feet. Police, however, were

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eventually called because the trio were actually known to be aggressive pen handlers. You know,

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they'll come up to people and if you didn't have money to give, I guess they got a little aggressive.

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And of course the police did question them. And at this point in time, Emmanuel identified himself

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as David while his wife was Allada. I had mentioned earlier that Wanda had gone by those two names

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and Elizabeth said her name was Esther. She had stated later that she was told that she could

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choose a new name. So she chose Esther from the Old Testament. Well, when the police ran these names,

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nothing came up. So of course, what are they going to do? They're going to let him go.

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Now the trio continued to live as survivalists, but would only engage with the town folk anytime

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they needed food or money. So we're going to talk about September of 2002, about six months after

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the abduction. Again, they end up going back to Salt Lake City. Beth, I don't understand why

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Emmanuel would keep making his way back to Salt Lake City. He had to have known people were looking

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for him or maybe he was oblivious. He didn't see them or did he see the news? I don't know how he

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would have seen the news. Yeah, it doesn't really make sense, does it? No. Well, I had mentioned in

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part one that a biker in the Sparts neighborhood saw the trio coming out of the woods, one man and

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two women who were dressed in robes and the women had their faces covered. Emmanuel and these two

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women were sighted around Salt Lake City multiple times, some saying that one of the two women seemed

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to be much younger. I'm assuming, Beth, that although the trio seemed rather odd in both the

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way they dressed and their behavior, I'm going to think, Beth, that many of the onlookers assumed

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that the younger of the trio was the couple's daughter. And it makes sense. Yeah, exactly. I

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mean, I wouldn't give it a second thought. In today's world, there's such diversity that I

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don't really give it a second thought on how many piercings, how many tattoos, how people are dressed,

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what colors their hair. I really don't give it a second thought. So when you're in that situation

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and you're just onlooking, you're not going to give it much more than, okay, well, that's an

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interesting outfit they have on today, right? Right. At one point, Emmanuel, Wanda, and Elizabeth

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entered a party and other guests just assumed that they showed up in costumes. Emmanuel stated when

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he walked in that he just needed to feel the spirit of the house. So, okay, that's interesting. Well,

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guests who saw Elizabeth believed that she was somewhere between 18 and 21 because she was a

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tall girl for her age. They thought that Elizabeth was somewhere around 5'7", which didn't look like

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a small 14-year-old person that they saw on the news. I agree. I put Elizabeth's picture out on

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social media and she looks like a typical 14-year-old girl. I can't imagine that she would be 5'7".

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No, she looked quite young. Now, Emmanuel was very charismatic with the party guests and the two

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women followed him around. I don't know if you've seen those pictures, Beth, out there on the

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internet about the party. Have you seen those at all? No, I don't recall that at all. Yep, there

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was a ton of people at this party and those pictures were straight on. Looking at Elizabeth,

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you could see that her with her veil on her face, she was just basically following Emmanuel around

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the party. Wow. Two guests actually asked her if she needed help. She just ignored them and walked

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away. I don't really know where her mindset is on the opportunity here, but I'm not here to judge.

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I want to get into that in the next episode and we will find exactly what she was thinking at

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that time. In the meantime, I'm going to tell you too real quick. John Walsh has been coming up in

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some of our episodes. He weighed in here. Well, he was saying, you can't judge anybody on what

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they are going through, especially if they're in a situation like this. So people can easily say,

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why didn't you run? Why didn't you tell somebody? Nobody can tell Elizabeth what is going on in

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her own head. She's traumatized and she's been threatened. I'm going to get back to that in the

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next episode, but I just kind of wanted to say that. All right. I'm going to get back to Ed Smart

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here on February 3rd of 2003. At this point in time, Ed and his family were actively looking for

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this street preacher named Emmanuel. I had mentioned that the Smarts were pretty perturbed

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with the police's demeanor towards Elizabeth's abductor because remember Beth, they had pegged

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Richard Resee and seemed to only zone in on him exclusively. So in his quest to find Elizabeth,

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Ed stated that he actually spoke directly to Emmanuel when he was on the streets, Beth,

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when he had the scruffy beard and he did not realize who he was talking to because his memory

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was that clean shaven man. Wow. And when he was talking with Emmanuel, he told Ed that he was

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traveling the country to preach the gospel. So close. Big difference between the months that

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had gone by. John Walsh never believed that Richard Resee played any part in Elizabeth's

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kidnapping. Ed at one point in time reached out to John to say that the police were dead set on

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Resee being the person involved in Elizabeth's abduction. And they suggested that the Smarts

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should have a memorial service for Elizabeth at this point. Oh, that's sad. Isn't it? That's giving

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up a little early. Mm-hmm. Lois even asked John if it was time to close the case. John said,

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if you believe Elizabeth is alive, you simply have to give me something so I can put it on

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America's Most Wanted. And that gave them a little bit of hope. Oh, that's good.

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Based on Mary Catherine's ID of the abductor, John had gone on to Larry King Live and gave the public

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a ton of information on the homeless man that had helped the Smarts repair their roof. Part of this

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information was Mary Catherine's ID of the abductor and the man who had come to work on their roof 14

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months earlier in November of 2001. Beth. Good for you, Mary Catherine. Nine years old.

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Geez, that's so young. I know. And boy, what a memory she had. Ed took a sketch of Emmanuel

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that he had drawn to the news media, which made an impact on Beth, believe it or not,

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Emmanuel's sister. Really? Wow. Remember the sketch that Ed had taken to the news media?

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Well, believe it or not, this actually made an impact on none other Beth than Emmanuel's sister.

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Wow, that's really interesting. Yeah. Well, Emmanuel's brother-in-law originally saw this

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sketch in the newspaper. So he told his wife, which would have been Emmanuel's sister, he basically

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said, you need to come look at something. When she did, she noticed that the article was about a

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street preacher who would occasionally perform handiwork in people's homes. Emmanuel's sister

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said that she realized between the description of the abductor and Ed's sketch of the clean shaven

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man, that this had to be her brother, Brian Mitchell. That would be freaky. Okay, Beth,

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again, I was a little spirited in my younger years, but never, I don't think that I've ever

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done anything to the point of you seeing me on the news. That's all I have to say. Woo, woo, good for

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you. All right. She made an anonymous call to the police to say that Brian Mitchell was the man that

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they were looking for. I'm going to talk about Tom Smart for just a moment. That's Ed's brother.

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He was a major part of this investigation by looking for information to kind of fill in the

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gaps between what the police were doing and what the own family's investigation had found. He found

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that Emmanuel had a campsite up in the mountains in Salt Lake City. Tom discovered the cafe that

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Emmanuel, Wanda, and Elizabeth frequented when they were out of the woods going about town. He

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had interviewed workers at the cafe and found that one of the two women wearing the veils could

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possibly be Elizabeth, just based on her age. Wanted posters began going up, even though the sketch

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was a little bit misleading to the public because of the difference between clean shaven and scruffy

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beard. Well, we are getting to heads here, Beth. I feel like this is the moment because on March 12th,

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2003, this is day 278, the trio again started traveling the country by bus, but this time

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Elizabeth was wearing a gray wig and sunglasses. She told people if they had asked that she had

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just had eye surgery. That was her excuse for being dressed the way she was. Well, guess what?

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One of the passengers on the bus wasn't going for her story and he really began pressing Elizabeth.

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So that kind of prompted Emmanuel to get the ladies off the bus very quickly. So yeah, they

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exited the bus and another eyewitness saw the trio walking around town with one of the three wearing

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a disguise. Okay. It's kind of odd to see a very young girl in a gray wig. Leeds started coming in

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very heavily, Beth. It is like the buzz of the day. The hotlines are firing up. People are calling 9-1-1.

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Beth, my voice, I am like really getting choked up here. Leeds started coming in heavily that day,

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saying that the trio was seen at a super salad buffet restaurant. Police were called and Brian

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Mitchell, AKA, Emmanuel identified himself as Peter Marshall and the two women that he was with were

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Juliet and Augustine Marshall. So he's just coming up with these different names on the fly. Well,

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guess what? This time the police really weren't taking his word for it. They quickly separated

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Emmanuel, Wanda, and Elizabeth from each other so that they could try to get more information from

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the younger girl. Elizabeth denied multiple times that she was not the girl that the people were

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looking for. One of the police officers literally put a flyer up to her face side by side and again,

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just didn't take her word for it. He looked at her and just said, this is you, Elizabeth. Well,

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after a few more times, Elizabeth didn't break down emotionally. She just stopped denying it and

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uttered the words, thou sayeth. Now, the police officer kind of misunderstood because that was

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not the language that he was used to listening to. But when he asked her to repeat herself, Elizabeth

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again said, thou sayeth, all while clearly showing concern with what was happening to her captors.

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Wow. Boy, she's really brainwashed. Yeah. Well, I will tell you this, Beth. Interesting. You're

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going to have to wait till part three on this one. You will know exactly why she was showing

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concern towards her captors at that moment. And it's not what you think. Oh, I can't wait to hear

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part three. All right. Now the TRIO was immediately transported to the police station. Good. Good. Ed

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was called in, although the police did not initially tell him why. Beth, oh my gosh. Once he got there,

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he and Elizabeth were reunited. Lovely. Can you imagine the moment after nine months of being gone,

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being reunited with your child, Beth? That would be so awesome. A beautiful thing. You know,

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we've got goosebumps, both you and I. This is probably one of the most magical, beautiful moments

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that I've ever reported. Even though our podcast is relatively new here, I'm saying this has got to

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be one of the highlights of talking about what we talk about. Now, Ed states that Elizabeth's

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demeanor was different, of course, after nine months of being brainwashed. Yeah. Her demeanor

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would certainly be a little bit different, but once he began talking to her, Beth, his baby girl

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came back to him in a rush. Oh my, that's so touching. Yeah. So touching that I actually

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have tears and yeah, we're going to stop here. This is the end of part two. Oh. Yeah. We're going

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to take a listen on Elizabeth's perspectives of everything, because part one, we basically got the

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perspectives and the encounters that the family had to deal with. And part two, we learned a little

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bit more about Emmanuel. Well, in part three, we're going to hear from Elizabeth. So there we have

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it. That's our story of Elizabeth Smart, part two. So Deb, do you have a teachable moment for us this

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week? I do have a teachable moment, Beth. I really put some thought into this because I really feel

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it's important. Do you by chance know what the bystander's effect is? No, I don't. Bystander's

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effect is basically if you're out in public and you see something happening, you're going to think

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to yourself, I'm not calling 911. Somebody else will do it. Wow. That hits home with me. I recently

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heard some awful fighting going on in my apartment building and I was on my way to work

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and I could still hear it out at the car and I was very worried about that poor woman. I thought

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somebody's bound to call 911. I drove off to work and I'm only a seven minute drive. So I called 911

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when I got in asking if there was anybody that called in and there wasn't. So I did tell her

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what I heard. She actually scolded me. Wow. Got an actual scold for not calling in. The 911 operator

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scolded you? Yes. What did they say? And you didn't call in? I won't make that mistake again. Wow.

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Yeah. Go with your gut. So it was going on for quite some time that morning? Yes. Yeah. So

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bystander's effect is if you guys see anything going on that just doesn't look right, do not

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hesitate because you might be the one that needs to call 911 because everybody else is thinking that

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you are going to do it. So there you go. There's your teachable moment. Exactly. Anything else?

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