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Hi everybody. This is Deb and this is Beth and we wanted to welcome you to episode number 14
of Dying to be Found where we deliver stories that we feel that our listeners can relate to.
If you have a story that you would like for us to cover, please visit us at DyingToBeFound.com
just like you see on our logo or you can email us at DyingToBeFound at gmail.com and that's Dying
the number two the letter B found at gmail.com. Today we're going to be talking about Dorothy
Jane Scott who's a 32 year old single mother that went missing in 1980. But before we do that,
Beth, how are you doing today? Awesome. Awesome. Awesome. I just never know how to respond to that
because I mean my days are pretty awesome but anything going on that you want to talk about?
Not really. Just had a week's vacation and enjoyed that. Now I'm raring to go. Good deal. I'll be on
vacation in another week myself. So hey Beth, before we get started, I had a question for you.
Go ahead. Do you know how many podcasts are out there? Well, I was scrolling through them recently
and it looks like a heck of a lot. Take a guess. Give me a number. 10,000? Nope. 750,000 podcasts
to choose from. Oh my gosh. And our listeners are choosing us. They are. So with me saying that,
I will also tell you I came across a really good podcast. If you noticed at the entrance of our
episode today, we have found a really good mother daughter duo. This podcast is called True Crime
B&B. So I want to just say hi to Beth and Bailey. We appreciate partnering with you. We appreciate
being a part of the True Crime family. So if you guys get a chance to listen. Hi ladies. Okay,
so let's turn to our story on Dorothy James Scott. And this is basically a story about an unsolved
murder. Unsolved murders leave everyone on edge and there's no closure for loved ones. And the
perpetrator is living basically in freedom. They get to walk around just like you and I. And they
can get away with crimes for years. Just some statistics that Beth actually found for me.
Thanks Beth. In 2019, out of the 15,000 plus murders in the United States, there are over 6,500
cases that are never solved. So today's story is about one of these cases. And as we get started,
we're going to go all the way back to 1980 when this crime first happened. There was a lot less
awareness of stalking and how it can escalate leading up to murder. With today, there's so much
more research and understanding of stalkers and we have laws in place now that we've never had before.
But we know that stalking situations can certainly escalate to murder, which we will soon see in this
case. So back in 1980, when this crime happened, let's start with Dorothy Jean Scott. She was born
on April 23rd, 1948 in Anaheim, California to Vera and Jacob Scott. At the time of her disappearance,
Dorothy was a 32-year-old single mother of a four-year-old boy named Sean. And to make ends meet,
Dorothy and Sean live with their aunt in Stanton, California. Dorothy worked two jobs as a secretary
at Custom John's head shop, as well as Swinger's psych shop. In the day, Custom John's sold psychedelic
items such as lava lamps and beads. And for those of you who don't know what a head shop is,
basically it's what we would know today as a vape shop in today's industry. Beth, do you have a lot
of vape shops around you? No. Have you ever heard of one? No. Oh, interesting. No, they're everywhere
around here. It's basically where you can go in and get... Do you know what vaping is? Yes. Okay. So
yeah, that's where you go get your supplies. And I would probably compare today's vape shop to head
shops back in the day. Now, Dorothy also held a second job in town and worked about five miles or
eight kilometers from her home. Dorothy, in my opinion, would be given a five-star rating as a
mother because she was not a drinker. She didn't do drugs. She was quiet and considered somewhat of a
homebody. She kept a small circle of friends. And I know what that's like. It's probably better that
way, to be honest with you. And she was considered a Christian who went to church pretty regularly.
So she was just an average American girl doing the best she could to raise her son. And she just
decided that spending time to herself was probably the best thing to do. Now, she didn't date very
often, nor did she have a steady boyfriend in her life when she disappeared. So it sounds to me like
she really put all of her efforts into raising her son. She sounds like a real sweetheart.
So Dorothy's parents would often babysit Sean while Dorothy was at work because Sean's dad did
not live locally. And it was just basically Dorothy and her family there in that area.
Now, back in the early 80s, Dorothy began receiving anonymous phone calls at work from an unknown
male caller who kept professing his love to her. Now, these calls continued for months and Dorothy
had told others that I'm going to call him a creeper. This creeper's voice sounded really
familiar. She just couldn't make out who it might be. And during these calls, this guy would describe
Dorothy's routine for the day and what she was wearing. Now, I would be absolutely petrified
knowing that this guy knows exactly what I'm wearing today. That's because he's got to be
like within range. He's got to have his sights on her or is he using binoculars? I'm not sure.
I think that'd be so nervous. I'd already be going to the police.
Well, Dorothy did. She contacted the police. And since the calls were so frequent,
they took extreme measures and installed an early voice recorder on Dorothy's home phone.
Now, for our listeners, especially for our millennials who might be listening,
back in the day in the 1980s, we didn't have those cell phones yet. And we all had those landlines
that were hooked up to the wall. Sometimes you get a nice long coil where you might be able to go
within, I don't know, six feet of the wall, or you basically had to stay put in one area and talk on
the phone. So they did install a voice recorder on that phone line. And, you know, there was not a
lot of surveillance that we could be picking up on to help us with that. Surveillance was probably
more or less kept with the police department or people like that. It just wasn't well known to
have a lot of surveillance back in the time. Like everybody's got door cameras today. They didn't
have any of that back then. So when this guy called Dorothy, some days he would profess his love for
her. And on other days, he would just basically start into how he was going to get Dorothy alone
and chop her into little bits so that no one would ever be able to find her. That that is certainly
terrifying. That's awful. Absolutely. During his calls, the man always warned Dorothy that he was
watching her. I believe that. I mean, he just seems like he was always just within reach, you know?
And one day he told her that she was special and that she should go outside because he left a
present for her. I don't think I would go outside. Do you? No, not at all. I'm sure that he would be
out there ready to jump. Yeah, that's when I would definitely be calling the police again. I mean,
in my research, she didn't say how often she was calling the police, but in this instance,
she did go outside after his words where he said, I left you something. Just go outside and see. No,
I wouldn't do that. I would not go outside. But when she did go to investigate, she found a single
dead rose on the hood of her car. No, that's terrifying. That is straight from a horror movie
terrifying to me. That is very terrifying. Well, this incident prompted Dorothy to take necessary
steps to protect herself. She did consider purchasing a handgun and just one week before
her disappearance, she did begin taking martial arts classes for self-defense. Have you ever done
self-defense, Beth? Yeah, we were taught that first year of high school. I remember a lot of it so that
I'm prepared as best as I can be if anything happened. I did take a handgun course at one
point in time. We used a wooden handgun for training purposes, but in this day and age,
you just can't be too careful. Now on May 28th of 1980, Dorothy ended up staying a little bit
longer at work because she had to attend a staff meeting. During this meeting, one of her co-workers
named Conrad Bostron, he was not feeling very well and when Dorothy was talking with him, she found
out that he had something on his arm. It was very swollen. It was red. It didn't look natural. So
Dorothy, along with another co-worker named Pam Head, decided that they were going to take Conrad
to the emergency room because she's such a nice person. Again, she's just going to work every day.
She seems to have really good relationships with people and so being the good person that she is,
she went ahead and decided that she was going to drive Conrad over to the emergency room.
After dropping Conrad and Pam off at the University of California Irvine Medical Center,
Dorothy drove home just to check on Sean, who was staying over at her parents. Now remember,
I told you that when she went to work, her parents usually did the babysitting.
So she went ahead and checked on him and during this stop, Dorothy changed out of one of her
scarves that she was wearing. It was a light black scarf that you would usually wear during the day,
but as the temperatures go down in the evenings, she changed into a heavier red one that she felt
would keep her warmer in the cooling temperatures. So this little fact about her scarf will come up
a little bit later. Dorothy drove back to the hospital to join Pam in the waiting room while
they waited for Conrad to be treated. And as it turned out, he had been bitten by a black widow
spider. Beth, have you ever been face to face with a black widow spider?
No, have you?
Oh gosh, yes. When I lived in that house that I lived in for decades, we always used to get
black widow spiders on the front porch.
Oh, you mean the daddy long legs?
Oh no, no, no. That's a different kind of spider. I think daddy long legs are one of the most
poisonous spiders in the world, but because their mouth is so small, they can't bite you.
Oh, interesting.
Yeah. So I don't bother with them. Actually, I see them from time to time in my house and I just look
at them. They look at me and I keep going because eventually they disappear.
I get a Kleenex when I see one. If he is around, I'll point to it so he gets it.
Oh, but you know, they're good for eating other little bugs, right?
I guess, but not for me.
No shared space. Do you know though that you are always within seven feet of a spider?
Oh, don't tell me that.
True story. So you'll be looking around the corner now, won't you?
Oh, yes.
Okay. Well, once Conrad was treated and discharged from the hospital at somewhere around 11 PM,
Pam took Conrad to the hospital pharmacy while Dorothy decided to go out to her car and just
swing around the hospital entrance to pick up both of her friends because she really didn't want
Conrad taking that long walk back to her car in his condition because remember I told you he really
wasn't feeling well. I will say I had a girlfriend quite a long time ago who ended up in the emergency
room with a, I think she got bit by a black widow spider and I know she said that she was,
she'd never been sicker in her life. Anytime maybe you're putting on a blouse or pants and you feel
just like a little stick. That's what it felt like and then within 24 hours she was really
not feeling well. Now the trip to this pharmacy only took about five minutes and Conrad and Pam
made it to the hospital entrance before Dorothy did. So they continued to wait there for just a
little while. Well, Dorothy did not show up so they began walking where she had originally parked
the car when they first got to the hospital. I guess I have a question here. She dropped the two
off at the hospital before she went to go home to check on Shawn. So I'm curious to know how they
knew where she was parked. This might be one of those conflicting stories about at what point in
time she went home to change her scarf. Right. Well Conrad and Pam started walking through the
parking lot and they both did see Dorothy's car driving towards them quite erratically and as the
car was approaching both of them began waving their arms at her or at least who they thought was her.
But whoever was driving had the bright headlights on and this blinded Conrad and Pam so neither of
them were ever able to really see who was behind the wheel. Now as that car got closer it veered
off and sped away leaving both Conrad and Pam just standing there what you know wondering what the
heck was going on. They ended up going back into the hospital to wait for Dorothy just for a few
more hours because remember back in the day we didn't have cell phones so they thought well maybe
something's going on with Shawn we'll just wait here for a while. Well after a couple hours when
she didn't show up they ended up contacting Dorothy's parents. This was around the time that they
discovered that Dorothy had never come home at all. So a missing persons report was filed but at this
point in time Dorothy was never seen again. That's very sad poor Shawn. Yes poor Shawn. Now talking
about the police investigation a couple things occurred while they began looking into Dorothy's
disappearance. Just as any other missing persons case Dorothy's parents were told to wait a few
days because Dorothy was an adult and she would eventually show up. Beth I have a problem with
that. Why? I understand that this is pretty typical for police officers to say oh just wait 24 hours
because they'll eventually show up she's an adult but come on now a couple things. Dorothy had a son
that she clearly just went home and checked on a couple hours earlier. Exactly. The second thing is
just from the fact that how the car exited the parking lot very erratically isn't that in itself
a little suspicious? Very a big very suspicious. Yeah so I don't know why they would have waited
a few days to even start investigating. As they continued the Scots were asked to keep all details
of Dorothy's disappearance out of the media because it was common to do this in the beginning of any
missing persons case or any crime because we know typically whatever is kept close to the chest a
lot of the times suspects will reveal something during an interview and that's when the police
officers are able to get a confession. That's kind of how that goes. I mean that's pretty well known
on a process. Now on May 29th at around 4 30 in the morning this was just the very next day Dorothy's
Dorothy's white 1973 Toyota station wagon was discovered fully engulfed in flames burning in
an alley somewhere around 10 miles away or 16 kilometers away from the hospital where she had
taken Conrad for his treatment for that spider bite. Now that is proof in the pudding that she
is missing and I hope the cops get on the case pretty quick. About a week later this mysterious
caller began calling Dorothy's house again only he was starting to target Dorothy's mother Vera
and he was very very specific about making these phone calls with her. During the first call the
creeper let's call him a creeper asked if Vera was related to Dorothy Scott so when she said yes
this caller simply stated I've got her and hung up. Now every Wednesday following that phone call
this caller would continue to call Dorothy's mother making sure that he told her that he was the one
that had Dorothy and he was also very careful to call Vera when he knew that she would be the only
one at home taking these calls so that he could thoroughly taunt her without interruption. So
Beth I'm thinking about this and how far away from the house is he right now because if he knew
that she was the only one home I don't know if this was the same time every day but he he definitely
knew that she was going to be the only one there to take these phone calls. I don't know why this
is still unsolved you would think by now or by then even they would know who it is. Yeah well let
me tell you why they don't. Okay. Because he made sure that all of these phone calls were very brief
so that the calls could not be traced. Again for those listeners who are not really clear and
you're probably wondering the same thing that Beth was just asking about you have got to keep
somebody on the phone long enough to be able to trace that call and know where that caller is at.
So if he knew that he only had so much time to stay on that line before he had to disconnect
then he was always very careful to make sure that he he hung up and and no one was able to get that
call. During the calls though he would just laugh and he'd say yeah I killed Dorothy. Oh and by the
way I tortured her too and also on other calls he just basically told her told Dorothy's mother
that she was being held captive somewhere and was never really specific because that call would
hang up a lot quicker than Vera was able to get the information from. Yeah poor Vera that would
be like a living hell every day. Oh gosh yes yes it would. So that was happening in the middle of
the year of 1980 so it had gone for just a while because Dorothy disappeared on May 28th. It was
during one of these phone calls that this creeper had made to the house where Jacob, Dorothy's dad,
picked up the phone during one of these phone calls. As soon as the caller heard his voice
he just mumbled something like oh I've got the wrong number and immediately hung up. Now here's
a food for thought on that. Do you remember at the beginning of this story when I mentioned that
Dorothy seemed like she may have recognized the voice but she just couldn't put a name to it?
Right. Well what do you think if possibly this was someone that the family knew because remember
now that the caller only contacted Scott's home when Jacob was not there. Do you think maybe that
if Jacob started talking to this guy he may have recognized the caller's voice? That was my first
impression. So it could be a friend of the family. Well Vera and Jacob contacted the police and the
calls did continue but of course the police had begun their investigation and again at this point
they still told them not to contact the news media but guess what they did and I'm glad they did
because at this point in time Dorothy's been missing entirely too long and even though the
police may think that it might not be a good idea if nothing's getting done I think I would
probably do the same thing. Exactly I would too. Well Dorothy's parents ended up contacting the
Orange County Register which is a local newspaper in Santa Ana when they felt that nothing else was
being accomplished to locate Dorothy. So the register soon ran a story on Dorothy's disappearance
and even offered a $2,500 award for any information on Dorothy's whereabouts.
Somewhere in the middle of June I got a couple conflicting dates so I'll just say mid-June of
1980 this creeper also called the newspaper. He called the Orange County Register newspaper editor
by the name of Pat Riley and pretty much told him that he had killed Dorothy because she had
cheated on him. He stated, I killed her. I killed Dorothy Scott. She was my love. I caught her
cheating with another man. She denied having anyone else so I killed her and he was actually
crying in the middle of this conversation and after he said all that he just basically hung up.
Here's my thoughts on that. I wonder Beth because he was always within sight of Dorothy because he
was stalking her. Do you think that the night that Dorothy took Conrad to the hospital and saw Dorothy
with him, do you think that set him off? I mean that seems to be the trigger point right? I had
never thought of that but I bet you. Well he ended up providing Pat with accurate details including
Dorothy being at the hospital, what she was wearing the night that she disappeared, including that red
scarf that I had mentioned earlier where she had changed from the light black one to a heavier red
one for the evenings. So he had that information and that would be the the information I believe
that was held close to the police department's chest was basically that information that was not
put out on the news but neither of these details were disclosed to the public or in that newspaper
article that was written up on Dorothy's disappearance. The caller at the time also claimed
that Dorothy had phoned him from the hospital that night. Pam however adamantly denied this saying
that she was with Dorothy the entire night and had never made any calls. Now I will say this, I feel
like I saw an article somewhere where as they were about to go to leave the hospital just before
Dorothy went out into the parking lot to bring her car around, I feel like when Pam and Conrad went to
the pharmacy that Dorothy made a pit stop to the restroom and they may or may not have had a phone
booth right there. You know in hospitals I don't know if they still have phone booths in the hospitals
these days but you know how you would always see phone booths in different buildings. Yes exactly.
There is no evidence that she has made any phone calls in this case that I could find but I did see
that she had separated from them momentarily just to stop and use the restroom before she went outside.
Investigators believe that the anonymous caller was the one responsible for Scott's death simply
because he had all that information that was not disclosed to the public when Dorothy went missing
and due to the phone line system in the 1980s police were never able to trace those calls because
that caller would never stay on that phone long enough to discover where the calls were coming from.
One of the things that I was thinking as you were talking to us was the fact that maybe it was her
dad. You think Jacob did this? How could he know the changing of the scarves? Just every detail he is
it's like this person is on top of the household. He's right there to see everything and know
everything. But he picked up the phone one night. Yes that's what he says. Oh wow there's a spin
I've never thought about. I didn't either until we were listening. Well I will tell you that the
police did look at two suspects in Dorothy's disappearance and the first one his name was Mike
Butler and he worked as a mechanic just across the street from one of the shops where Dorothy worked
and at some point even developed a small obsession with her. Now I couldn't really find in the
articles that I was reading very much information on Mike and how his obsessive behaviors were
towards her but Mike's sister also worked at the same shop as Dorothy when she disappeared and he
was considered a loner, a little strange, a little unstable and get this Beth he lived as a recluse up
in the mountains. We just finished a story on that that type of personality remember? Yes with the
mad trapper. Exactly yeah. Yeah so at some point Mike was also considered to be part of an occult
which is if you were to describe that what is that more like a I wouldn't call it witchcraft but is
it considered devil worshiping? Well it's sort of like a game. Yeah. Who as you said devil worshiped.
Yeah so he was considered to be part of that but more people than not pretty much thought that Mike
was being considered a scapegoat because his behaviors were a little odd and because he had
some different beliefs from the social norms in a nutshell though nothing really became of it and
he was never really considered a strong suspect in this case. What bothers me about this kind of thing
when somebody's being used as a scapegoat or the police decide that they're going to interview
somebody for 10 hours and wait for them to pressure them into confession because that is leaving the
true criminal out there when they could be looking for them. Yes that is such a valuable waste of time
isn't it? It is and I see this on movies all the time and it just burns my butt. Chops your butt eh?
Hey listen I'm glad you said that because in one of our episodes coming up I'm actually going to
talk a little bit more about that when when suspects are being interviewed or interrogated
and I'll have a little bit more to say on that. I don't really want to add that to this right now
just because you know Mike could easily be a scapegoat here but I fully understand what you're
saying because I know it's got to be draining on them and then when suspects are pinpointed
and let's just say the police just have that idea that this person is the one that did it. I've just
too I've seen so many stories of how many times these people are being interrogated for hours and
no sleep and a lot of people get false confessions because all they want to do at this point is just
get out of there. That's the only way they know how is just to hear give me the paper I'll sign
it I need to get out of this room because that's a lot of pressure. It is yeah. Now the second
suspect on the police department's list was Dennis Terry who was the father of Dorothy's son Sean.
Sean's dad lived somewhere around 2 000 miles away in Missouri at the time that Dorothy's
disappearance occurred so he never really played an active role as a parent or in this disappearance.
After Sean was born he was not really in the picture so he was also ruled out pretty quickly
as a suspect and nothing came from either one of these investigations with Mike Butler nor Dennis
Terry. Other reports say that Dorothy's son Sean eventually looked into his mother's disappearance
which did lead to an unnamed suspect however this suspect died of cancer in 2014 so nothing really
came of it and nothing was pursued. If she disappeared in 80 and Sean was only six Sean
would have been a full-fledged adult at this time when he started investigating. I'm very sorry for
him because of course if there's no closure there's always that question on who done it.
Yes all right so on August 6th of 1984 four years after her disappearance Dorothy's remains were
actually discovered on a construction site. A subcontractor with Pacific Bell was laying
lines along Santa Ana Canyon Road when he stumbled upon human remains. Police were able to
identify the remains as Dorothy Scott and estimated that she was placed in that area
approximately two years beforehand. Her skull, two thigh bones, and pelvis bones were recovered
but were partially burnt. This is where their timeline came in because just two years before
in October of 1982 there was a brush fire in that area and so they knew that Dorothy had to be
in that area since at least October of 82 when that occurred. Due to the deteriorating conditions
of Dorothy's remains they were never able to determine her cause of death and there is also
one more thing that they found at that site along with Dorothy. At this same scene the
subcontractor found a dog's skeleton and it was discovered laying on top of Dorothy like literally
on top of her. Weird. There was speculation of a suspect associated with where Dorothy had worked
but this person was later cleared of any wrongdoing. I wonder now if that was Mike Butler
because of the description that I had just mentioned. Some suggested that it was a cult
connection kind of like we had just mentioned a little while ago but again none of that was
ever found to be true. There was also a turquoise ring along with a watch that they discovered
amongst Dorothy's remains and her mother Vera later identified these belonging to Dorothy
and noted that the watch had stopped on May 29th at 12 32 a.m. This was only one hour after Dorothy's
car was seen driving away from the hospital by her friends Conrad and Pam. Holy cow one hour. See
that's where I'm thinking if the caller called the newspaper and was crying and saying she was
cheating on me but she denied it at this point in time all I can think of is this guy was seeing
he was seeing red and he was just going on full-fledged 100 emotion. He had to have been enraged
so much so that that occurred so quickly. Well Dorothy's remains were positively identified
through her dental records on August 14th of 1984 and it seems like at this point in time
it revived the creeper caller's obsession with Dorothy because Beth get this after Dorothy's
remains were discovered he called her house again not once but two more times. He's really deranged.
Mm-hmm well the police had installed voice recorders but the caller spoke very briefly on
the phone so that nobody could trace those calls and all he would say is is Dorothy home and then
he would just simply hang up and after those two phone calls he never called again. On August 22nd
of 1984 eight days after her remains were identified Dorothy's family held a memorial in
her name now sadly Jacob did pass away on April 23rd of 1994 on what would have been Dorothy's
46th birthday. He never found out what happened to his daughter. Vera died in 2002 also with not
knowing who this killer was. Dorothy's son Sean like I had mentioned kind of looked into the
the background of this but again he's he's living without really knowing what happened and and why
this would have happened and so far the stalker who terrorized Dorothy Scott and her family is
still out there today. This is the case that I would like to see on Unsolved Mysteries. Is that
still going on? No there's actually Walsh. Yeah oh. Adam Walsh's dad. John Walsh. Yes John Walsh has
a show that I watch and that would be great if something like this case could get on there
because I'm very sad about this whole case and that's why I've been pretty quiet throughout
Deb's report because it just is so so sad. Yes it is sad for everybody here the family members
Sean and poor Dorothy and she was taking the measures to maintain her own safety. Now I will
tell you I did find a couple resources so that our listeners can take safety measures against
stalking because if you've ever been stalked or if you know somebody who has been or is being stalked
you can go to victimsofcrime.org. There's also more information on missing persons such as the
National Center for Missing Adults. You can visit their website at victimsofcrime.org and this is a
subsidiary of the Center for Missing and Exploited Children which is found at missingkids.org. Now
one more site that I found for missing persons is the National Center for Missing Endangered
Adults. You can also visit volunteermatch.org for more information there. That is what we've got
for Dorothy Jane Scott. Yeah hopefully Sean will find some closure to this and that would be
hopefully covered with a show like John Walsh has. I haven't seen any of his shows lately but he is
such an advocate for crime stopping and things like that so it would definitely be a good case
to cover like you said Beth. Anything else to add? Not really. Teachable moment. That was a
teachable moment but you didn't announce it as one. Oh okay well thanks for listening to our little
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