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Did we even mention that we're mom and daughter? 9 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:49,200 No. I hope you join our crime family. Bye. Bye. 10 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:54,160 Hi everyone. This is Deb from Dying to be Found. Before we get started, I just wanted to say that 11 00:00:54,160 --> 00:01:00,240 episodes contain disturbing discussions on harmful acts and crimes against animals and or humankind. 12 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:05,200 Recordings are not intended for young or sensitive audiences due to the content nature of this 13 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:21,200 podcast. Listener discretion is strongly advised. 14 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:44,320 Hi everybody. This is Deb and this is Beth and we wanted to welcome you to episode number 14 15 00:01:44,320 --> 00:01:50,240 of Dying to be Found where we deliver stories that we feel that our listeners can relate to. 16 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:56,400 If you have a story that you would like for us to cover, please visit us at DyingToBeFound.com 17 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:02,720 just like you see on our logo or you can email us at DyingToBeFound at gmail.com and that's Dying 18 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:09,200 the number two the letter B found at gmail.com. Today we're going to be talking about Dorothy 19 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:15,920 Jane Scott who's a 32 year old single mother that went missing in 1980. But before we do that, 20 00:02:15,920 --> 00:02:22,560 Beth, how are you doing today? Awesome. Awesome. Awesome. I just never know how to respond to that 21 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:27,600 because I mean my days are pretty awesome but anything going on that you want to talk about? 22 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:34,880 Not really. Just had a week's vacation and enjoyed that. Now I'm raring to go. Good deal. I'll be on 23 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:40,960 vacation in another week myself. So hey Beth, before we get started, I had a question for you. 24 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:46,560 Go ahead. Do you know how many podcasts are out there? Well, I was scrolling through them recently 25 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:54,560 and it looks like a heck of a lot. Take a guess. Give me a number. 10,000? Nope. 750,000 podcasts 26 00:02:54,560 --> 00:03:02,320 to choose from. Oh my gosh. And our listeners are choosing us. They are. So with me saying that, 27 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:09,120 I will also tell you I came across a really good podcast. If you noticed at the entrance of our 28 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:16,640 episode today, we have found a really good mother daughter duo. This podcast is called True Crime 29 00:03:16,640 --> 00:03:24,320 B&B. So I want to just say hi to Beth and Bailey. We appreciate partnering with you. We appreciate 30 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:30,560 being a part of the True Crime family. So if you guys get a chance to listen. Hi ladies. Okay, 31 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:38,800 so let's turn to our story on Dorothy James Scott. And this is basically a story about an unsolved 32 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:45,920 murder. Unsolved murders leave everyone on edge and there's no closure for loved ones. And the 33 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:53,200 perpetrator is living basically in freedom. They get to walk around just like you and I. And they 34 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:58,480 can get away with crimes for years. Just some statistics that Beth actually found for me. 35 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:08,720 Thanks Beth. In 2019, out of the 15,000 plus murders in the United States, there are over 6,500 36 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:16,320 cases that are never solved. So today's story is about one of these cases. And as we get started, 37 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:22,000 we're going to go all the way back to 1980 when this crime first happened. There was a lot less 38 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:28,480 awareness of stalking and how it can escalate leading up to murder. With today, there's so much 39 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:34,640 more research and understanding of stalkers and we have laws in place now that we've never had before. 40 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:41,680 But we know that stalking situations can certainly escalate to murder, which we will soon see in this 41 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:49,840 case. So back in 1980, when this crime happened, let's start with Dorothy Jean Scott. She was born 42 00:04:49,840 --> 00:04:58,320 on April 23rd, 1948 in Anaheim, California to Vera and Jacob Scott. At the time of her disappearance, 43 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:05,440 Dorothy was a 32-year-old single mother of a four-year-old boy named Sean. And to make ends meet, 44 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:12,560 Dorothy and Sean live with their aunt in Stanton, California. Dorothy worked two jobs as a secretary 45 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:20,320 at Custom John's head shop, as well as Swinger's psych shop. In the day, Custom John's sold psychedelic 46 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:25,840 items such as lava lamps and beads. And for those of you who don't know what a head shop is, 47 00:05:25,840 --> 00:05:31,360 basically it's what we would know today as a vape shop in today's industry. Beth, do you have a lot 48 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:38,240 of vape shops around you? No. Have you ever heard of one? No. Oh, interesting. No, they're everywhere 49 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:44,880 around here. It's basically where you can go in and get... Do you know what vaping is? Yes. Okay. So 50 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:52,160 yeah, that's where you go get your supplies. And I would probably compare today's vape shop to head 51 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:59,600 shops back in the day. Now, Dorothy also held a second job in town and worked about five miles or 52 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:05,600 eight kilometers from her home. Dorothy, in my opinion, would be given a five-star rating as a 53 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:12,480 mother because she was not a drinker. She didn't do drugs. She was quiet and considered somewhat of a 54 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:18,080 homebody. She kept a small circle of friends. And I know what that's like. It's probably better that 55 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:23,440 way, to be honest with you. And she was considered a Christian who went to church pretty regularly. 56 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:29,520 So she was just an average American girl doing the best she could to raise her son. And she just 57 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:35,200 decided that spending time to herself was probably the best thing to do. Now, she didn't date very 58 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:41,040 often, nor did she have a steady boyfriend in her life when she disappeared. So it sounds to me like 59 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:46,320 she really put all of her efforts into raising her son. She sounds like a real sweetheart. 60 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:54,400 So Dorothy's parents would often babysit Sean while Dorothy was at work because Sean's dad did 61 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:59,280 not live locally. And it was just basically Dorothy and her family there in that area. 62 00:06:59,280 --> 00:07:06,880 Now, back in the early 80s, Dorothy began receiving anonymous phone calls at work from an unknown 63 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:14,160 male caller who kept professing his love to her. Now, these calls continued for months and Dorothy 64 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:19,920 had told others that I'm going to call him a creeper. This creeper's voice sounded really 65 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:26,480 familiar. She just couldn't make out who it might be. And during these calls, this guy would describe 66 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:34,880 Dorothy's routine for the day and what she was wearing. Now, I would be absolutely petrified 67 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:40,560 knowing that this guy knows exactly what I'm wearing today. That's because he's got to be 68 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:46,480 like within range. He's got to have his sights on her or is he using binoculars? I'm not sure. 69 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,360 I think that'd be so nervous. I'd already be going to the police. 70 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:55,760 Well, Dorothy did. She contacted the police. And since the calls were so frequent, 71 00:07:55,760 --> 00:08:01,120 they took extreme measures and installed an early voice recorder on Dorothy's home phone. 72 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:05,600 Now, for our listeners, especially for our millennials who might be listening, 73 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:12,480 back in the day in the 1980s, we didn't have those cell phones yet. And we all had those landlines 74 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:17,600 that were hooked up to the wall. Sometimes you get a nice long coil where you might be able to go 75 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:24,320 within, I don't know, six feet of the wall, or you basically had to stay put in one area and talk on 76 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:31,520 the phone. So they did install a voice recorder on that phone line. And, you know, there was not a 77 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:37,280 lot of surveillance that we could be picking up on to help us with that. Surveillance was probably 78 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:44,560 more or less kept with the police department or people like that. It just wasn't well known to 79 00:08:44,560 --> 00:08:49,840 have a lot of surveillance back in the time. Like everybody's got door cameras today. They didn't 80 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:57,040 have any of that back then. So when this guy called Dorothy, some days he would profess his love for 81 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:04,960 her. And on other days, he would just basically start into how he was going to get Dorothy alone 82 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:11,840 and chop her into little bits so that no one would ever be able to find her. That that is certainly 83 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:19,120 terrifying. That's awful. Absolutely. During his calls, the man always warned Dorothy that he was 84 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:24,720 watching her. I believe that. I mean, he just seems like he was always just within reach, you know? 85 00:09:25,680 --> 00:09:32,880 And one day he told her that she was special and that she should go outside because he left a 86 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:41,200 present for her. I don't think I would go outside. Do you? No, not at all. I'm sure that he would be 87 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:46,720 out there ready to jump. Yeah, that's when I would definitely be calling the police again. I mean, 88 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:52,320 in my research, she didn't say how often she was calling the police, but in this instance, 89 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:59,280 she did go outside after his words where he said, I left you something. Just go outside and see. No, 90 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:04,800 I wouldn't do that. I would not go outside. But when she did go to investigate, she found a single 91 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:11,520 dead rose on the hood of her car. No, that's terrifying. That is straight from a horror movie 92 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:18,240 terrifying to me. That is very terrifying. Well, this incident prompted Dorothy to take necessary 93 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:24,320 steps to protect herself. She did consider purchasing a handgun and just one week before 94 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:30,800 her disappearance, she did begin taking martial arts classes for self-defense. Have you ever done 95 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:37,600 self-defense, Beth? Yeah, we were taught that first year of high school. I remember a lot of it so that 96 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:44,800 I'm prepared as best as I can be if anything happened. I did take a handgun course at one 97 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:50,480 point in time. We used a wooden handgun for training purposes, but in this day and age, 98 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:58,000 you just can't be too careful. Now on May 28th of 1980, Dorothy ended up staying a little bit 99 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:04,720 longer at work because she had to attend a staff meeting. During this meeting, one of her co-workers 100 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:13,680 named Conrad Bostron, he was not feeling very well and when Dorothy was talking with him, she found 101 00:11:13,680 --> 00:11:21,520 out that he had something on his arm. It was very swollen. It was red. It didn't look natural. So 102 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:27,360 Dorothy, along with another co-worker named Pam Head, decided that they were going to take Conrad 103 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:33,280 to the emergency room because she's such a nice person. Again, she's just going to work every day. 104 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:38,320 She seems to have really good relationships with people and so being the good person that she is, 105 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:42,800 she went ahead and decided that she was going to drive Conrad over to the emergency room. 106 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:49,040 After dropping Conrad and Pam off at the University of California Irvine Medical Center, 107 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:54,560 Dorothy drove home just to check on Sean, who was staying over at her parents. Now remember, 108 00:11:54,560 --> 00:11:58,080 I told you that when she went to work, her parents usually did the babysitting. 109 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:04,480 So she went ahead and checked on him and during this stop, Dorothy changed out of one of her 110 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:11,360 scarves that she was wearing. It was a light black scarf that you would usually wear during the day, 111 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:18,320 but as the temperatures go down in the evenings, she changed into a heavier red one that she felt 112 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:24,240 would keep her warmer in the cooling temperatures. So this little fact about her scarf will come up 113 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:30,640 a little bit later. Dorothy drove back to the hospital to join Pam in the waiting room while 114 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:36,560 they waited for Conrad to be treated. And as it turned out, he had been bitten by a black widow 115 00:12:36,560 --> 00:12:40,560 spider. Beth, have you ever been face to face with a black widow spider? 116 00:12:40,560 --> 00:12:42,160 No, have you? 117 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:48,400 Oh gosh, yes. When I lived in that house that I lived in for decades, we always used to get 118 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:50,480 black widow spiders on the front porch. 119 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:53,520 Oh, you mean the daddy long legs? 120 00:12:53,520 --> 00:13:00,160 Oh no, no, no. That's a different kind of spider. I think daddy long legs are one of the most 121 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:05,200 poisonous spiders in the world, but because their mouth is so small, they can't bite you. 122 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:07,520 Oh, interesting. 123 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:12,400 Yeah. So I don't bother with them. Actually, I see them from time to time in my house and I just look 124 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:16,400 at them. They look at me and I keep going because eventually they disappear. 125 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:22,560 I get a Kleenex when I see one. If he is around, I'll point to it so he gets it. 126 00:13:22,560 --> 00:13:27,360 Oh, but you know, they're good for eating other little bugs, right? 127 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,840 I guess, but not for me. 128 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:35,360 No shared space. Do you know though that you are always within seven feet of a spider? 129 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:36,880 Oh, don't tell me that. 130 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:40,480 True story. So you'll be looking around the corner now, won't you? 131 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:41,200 Oh, yes. 132 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:49,760 Okay. Well, once Conrad was treated and discharged from the hospital at somewhere around 11 PM, 133 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:56,080 Pam took Conrad to the hospital pharmacy while Dorothy decided to go out to her car and just 134 00:13:56,080 --> 00:14:01,280 swing around the hospital entrance to pick up both of her friends because she really didn't want 135 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:07,360 Conrad taking that long walk back to her car in his condition because remember I told you he really 136 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:13,600 wasn't feeling well. I will say I had a girlfriend quite a long time ago who ended up in the emergency 137 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:20,000 room with a, I think she got bit by a black widow spider and I know she said that she was, 138 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:26,480 she'd never been sicker in her life. Anytime maybe you're putting on a blouse or pants and you feel 139 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:31,600 just like a little stick. That's what it felt like and then within 24 hours she was really 140 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:40,480 not feeling well. Now the trip to this pharmacy only took about five minutes and Conrad and Pam 141 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:46,400 made it to the hospital entrance before Dorothy did. So they continued to wait there for just a 142 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:53,040 little while. Well, Dorothy did not show up so they began walking where she had originally parked 143 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:58,880 the car when they first got to the hospital. I guess I have a question here. She dropped the two 144 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:05,600 off at the hospital before she went to go home to check on Shawn. So I'm curious to know how they 145 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:10,480 knew where she was parked. This might be one of those conflicting stories about at what point in 146 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:17,280 time she went home to change her scarf. Right. Well Conrad and Pam started walking through the 147 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:24,000 parking lot and they both did see Dorothy's car driving towards them quite erratically and as the 148 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:31,040 car was approaching both of them began waving their arms at her or at least who they thought was her. 149 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:37,600 But whoever was driving had the bright headlights on and this blinded Conrad and Pam so neither of 150 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:43,920 them were ever able to really see who was behind the wheel. Now as that car got closer it veered 151 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:50,320 off and sped away leaving both Conrad and Pam just standing there what you know wondering what the 152 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:56,480 heck was going on. They ended up going back into the hospital to wait for Dorothy just for a few 153 00:15:56,480 --> 00:16:02,160 more hours because remember back in the day we didn't have cell phones so they thought well maybe 154 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:07,440 something's going on with Shawn we'll just wait here for a while. Well after a couple hours when 155 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:12,240 she didn't show up they ended up contacting Dorothy's parents. This was around the time that they 156 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:19,920 discovered that Dorothy had never come home at all. So a missing persons report was filed but at this 157 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:29,040 point in time Dorothy was never seen again. That's very sad poor Shawn. Yes poor Shawn. Now talking 158 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:35,040 about the police investigation a couple things occurred while they began looking into Dorothy's 159 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:41,760 disappearance. Just as any other missing persons case Dorothy's parents were told to wait a few 160 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:47,360 days because Dorothy was an adult and she would eventually show up. Beth I have a problem with 161 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:57,200 that. Why? I understand that this is pretty typical for police officers to say oh just wait 24 hours 162 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:04,560 because they'll eventually show up she's an adult but come on now a couple things. Dorothy had a son 163 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:11,440 that she clearly just went home and checked on a couple hours earlier. Exactly. The second thing is 164 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:19,280 just from the fact that how the car exited the parking lot very erratically isn't that in itself 165 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:27,360 a little suspicious? Very a big very suspicious. Yeah so I don't know why they would have waited 166 00:17:27,360 --> 00:17:35,120 a few days to even start investigating. As they continued the Scots were asked to keep all details 167 00:17:35,120 --> 00:17:40,640 of Dorothy's disappearance out of the media because it was common to do this in the beginning of any 168 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:48,000 missing persons case or any crime because we know typically whatever is kept close to the chest a 169 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:55,600 lot of the times suspects will reveal something during an interview and that's when the police 170 00:17:55,600 --> 00:18:00,800 officers are able to get a confession. That's kind of how that goes. I mean that's pretty well known 171 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:10,000 on a process. Now on May 29th at around 4 30 in the morning this was just the very next day Dorothy's 172 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:18,160 Dorothy's white 1973 Toyota station wagon was discovered fully engulfed in flames burning in 173 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:25,200 an alley somewhere around 10 miles away or 16 kilometers away from the hospital where she had 174 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:30,880 taken Conrad for his treatment for that spider bite. Now that is proof in the pudding that she 175 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:39,600 is missing and I hope the cops get on the case pretty quick. About a week later this mysterious 176 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:48,000 caller began calling Dorothy's house again only he was starting to target Dorothy's mother Vera 177 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:55,680 and he was very very specific about making these phone calls with her. During the first call the 178 00:18:55,680 --> 00:19:02,880 creeper let's call him a creeper asked if Vera was related to Dorothy Scott so when she said yes 179 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:10,080 this caller simply stated I've got her and hung up. Now every Wednesday following that phone call 180 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:17,280 this caller would continue to call Dorothy's mother making sure that he told her that he was the one 181 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:25,440 that had Dorothy and he was also very careful to call Vera when he knew that she would be the only 182 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:31,840 one at home taking these calls so that he could thoroughly taunt her without interruption. So 183 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:38,960 Beth I'm thinking about this and how far away from the house is he right now because if he knew 184 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:45,840 that she was the only one home I don't know if this was the same time every day but he he definitely 185 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:51,920 knew that she was going to be the only one there to take these phone calls. I don't know why this 186 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:58,640 is still unsolved you would think by now or by then even they would know who it is. Yeah well let 187 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:06,800 me tell you why they don't. Okay. Because he made sure that all of these phone calls were very brief 188 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:11,680 so that the calls could not be traced. Again for those listeners who are not really clear and 189 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:16,160 you're probably wondering the same thing that Beth was just asking about you have got to keep 190 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:24,240 somebody on the phone long enough to be able to trace that call and know where that caller is at. 191 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:31,840 So if he knew that he only had so much time to stay on that line before he had to disconnect 192 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:37,520 then he was always very careful to make sure that he he hung up and and no one was able to get that 193 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:42,960 call. During the calls though he would just laugh and he'd say yeah I killed Dorothy. Oh and by the 194 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:49,360 way I tortured her too and also on other calls he just basically told her told Dorothy's mother 195 00:20:49,360 --> 00:20:54,000 that she was being held captive somewhere and was never really specific because that call would 196 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:59,520 hang up a lot quicker than Vera was able to get the information from. Yeah poor Vera that would 197 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:08,080 be like a living hell every day. Oh gosh yes yes it would. So that was happening in the middle of 198 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:15,760 the year of 1980 so it had gone for just a while because Dorothy disappeared on May 28th. It was 199 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:23,920 during one of these phone calls that this creeper had made to the house where Jacob, Dorothy's dad, 200 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:29,520 picked up the phone during one of these phone calls. As soon as the caller heard his voice 201 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:35,680 he just mumbled something like oh I've got the wrong number and immediately hung up. Now here's 202 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:41,680 a food for thought on that. Do you remember at the beginning of this story when I mentioned that 203 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:49,120 Dorothy seemed like she may have recognized the voice but she just couldn't put a name to it? 204 00:21:49,120 --> 00:21:57,600 Right. Well what do you think if possibly this was someone that the family knew because remember 205 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:05,920 now that the caller only contacted Scott's home when Jacob was not there. Do you think maybe that 206 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:12,560 if Jacob started talking to this guy he may have recognized the caller's voice? That was my first 207 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:21,680 impression. So it could be a friend of the family. Well Vera and Jacob contacted the police and the 208 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:27,600 calls did continue but of course the police had begun their investigation and again at this point 209 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:33,040 they still told them not to contact the news media but guess what they did and I'm glad they did 210 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:38,560 because at this point in time Dorothy's been missing entirely too long and even though the 211 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:43,840 police may think that it might not be a good idea if nothing's getting done I think I would 212 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:50,640 probably do the same thing. Exactly I would too. Well Dorothy's parents ended up contacting the 213 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:56,960 Orange County Register which is a local newspaper in Santa Ana when they felt that nothing else was 214 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:03,600 being accomplished to locate Dorothy. So the register soon ran a story on Dorothy's disappearance 215 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:10,160 and even offered a $2,500 award for any information on Dorothy's whereabouts. 216 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:16,480 Somewhere in the middle of June I got a couple conflicting dates so I'll just say mid-June of 217 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:23,600 1980 this creeper also called the newspaper. He called the Orange County Register newspaper editor 218 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:28,800 by the name of Pat Riley and pretty much told him that he had killed Dorothy because she had 219 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:34,400 cheated on him. He stated, I killed her. I killed Dorothy Scott. She was my love. I caught her 220 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:39,680 cheating with another man. She denied having anyone else so I killed her and he was actually 221 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:44,800 crying in the middle of this conversation and after he said all that he just basically hung up. 222 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:51,440 Here's my thoughts on that. I wonder Beth because he was always within sight of Dorothy because he 223 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:59,600 was stalking her. Do you think that the night that Dorothy took Conrad to the hospital and saw Dorothy 224 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:06,000 with him, do you think that set him off? I mean that seems to be the trigger point right? I had 225 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:14,800 never thought of that but I bet you. Well he ended up providing Pat with accurate details including 226 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:21,040 Dorothy being at the hospital, what she was wearing the night that she disappeared, including that red 227 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:27,120 scarf that I had mentioned earlier where she had changed from the light black one to a heavier red 228 00:24:27,120 --> 00:24:33,360 one for the evenings. So he had that information and that would be the the information I believe 229 00:24:33,360 --> 00:24:38,320 that was held close to the police department's chest was basically that information that was not 230 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:44,960 put out on the news but neither of these details were disclosed to the public or in that newspaper 231 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:51,680 article that was written up on Dorothy's disappearance. The caller at the time also claimed 232 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:58,640 that Dorothy had phoned him from the hospital that night. Pam however adamantly denied this saying 233 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:06,080 that she was with Dorothy the entire night and had never made any calls. Now I will say this, I feel 234 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:14,640 like I saw an article somewhere where as they were about to go to leave the hospital just before 235 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:22,000 Dorothy went out into the parking lot to bring her car around, I feel like when Pam and Conrad went to 236 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:29,440 the pharmacy that Dorothy made a pit stop to the restroom and they may or may not have had a phone 237 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:34,720 booth right there. You know in hospitals I don't know if they still have phone booths in the hospitals 238 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:41,200 these days but you know how you would always see phone booths in different buildings. Yes exactly. 239 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:47,040 There is no evidence that she has made any phone calls in this case that I could find but I did see 240 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:52,160 that she had separated from them momentarily just to stop and use the restroom before she went outside. 241 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:58,400 Investigators believe that the anonymous caller was the one responsible for Scott's death simply 242 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:04,240 because he had all that information that was not disclosed to the public when Dorothy went missing 243 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:11,440 and due to the phone line system in the 1980s police were never able to trace those calls because 244 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:16,880 that caller would never stay on that phone long enough to discover where the calls were coming from. 245 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:23,760 One of the things that I was thinking as you were talking to us was the fact that maybe it was her 246 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:32,400 dad. You think Jacob did this? How could he know the changing of the scarves? Just every detail he is 247 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:41,040 it's like this person is on top of the household. He's right there to see everything and know 248 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:49,760 everything. But he picked up the phone one night. Yes that's what he says. Oh wow there's a spin 249 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:56,080 I've never thought about. I didn't either until we were listening. Well I will tell you that the 250 00:26:56,080 --> 00:27:02,640 police did look at two suspects in Dorothy's disappearance and the first one his name was Mike 251 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:08,560 Butler and he worked as a mechanic just across the street from one of the shops where Dorothy worked 252 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:14,240 and at some point even developed a small obsession with her. Now I couldn't really find in the 253 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:21,280 articles that I was reading very much information on Mike and how his obsessive behaviors were 254 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:28,480 towards her but Mike's sister also worked at the same shop as Dorothy when she disappeared and he 255 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:36,000 was considered a loner, a little strange, a little unstable and get this Beth he lived as a recluse up 256 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:41,600 in the mountains. We just finished a story on that that type of personality remember? Yes with the 257 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:49,840 mad trapper. Exactly yeah. Yeah so at some point Mike was also considered to be part of an occult 258 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:55,440 which is if you were to describe that what is that more like a I wouldn't call it witchcraft but is 259 00:27:55,440 --> 00:28:02,080 it considered devil worshiping? Well it's sort of like a game. Yeah. Who as you said devil worshiped. 260 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:11,280 Yeah so he was considered to be part of that but more people than not pretty much thought that Mike 261 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:17,840 was being considered a scapegoat because his behaviors were a little odd and because he had 262 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:24,640 some different beliefs from the social norms in a nutshell though nothing really became of it and 263 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:31,600 he was never really considered a strong suspect in this case. What bothers me about this kind of thing 264 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:38,320 when somebody's being used as a scapegoat or the police decide that they're going to interview 265 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:47,360 somebody for 10 hours and wait for them to pressure them into confession because that is leaving the 266 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:56,480 true criminal out there when they could be looking for them. Yes that is such a valuable waste of time 267 00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:02,400 isn't it? It is and I see this on movies all the time and it just burns my butt. Chops your butt eh? 268 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:11,680 Hey listen I'm glad you said that because in one of our episodes coming up I'm actually going to 269 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:18,480 talk a little bit more about that when when suspects are being interviewed or interrogated 270 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:24,000 and I'll have a little bit more to say on that. I don't really want to add that to this right now 271 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:29,200 just because you know Mike could easily be a scapegoat here but I fully understand what you're 272 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:35,840 saying because I know it's got to be draining on them and then when suspects are pinpointed 273 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:41,600 and let's just say the police just have that idea that this person is the one that did it. I've just 274 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:48,720 too I've seen so many stories of how many times these people are being interrogated for hours and 275 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:54,880 no sleep and a lot of people get false confessions because all they want to do at this point is just 276 00:29:54,880 --> 00:30:00,320 get out of there. That's the only way they know how is just to hear give me the paper I'll sign 277 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:06,320 it I need to get out of this room because that's a lot of pressure. It is yeah. Now the second 278 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:13,600 suspect on the police department's list was Dennis Terry who was the father of Dorothy's son Sean. 279 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:20,960 Sean's dad lived somewhere around 2 000 miles away in Missouri at the time that Dorothy's 280 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:27,360 disappearance occurred so he never really played an active role as a parent or in this disappearance. 281 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:33,760 After Sean was born he was not really in the picture so he was also ruled out pretty quickly 282 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:39,600 as a suspect and nothing came from either one of these investigations with Mike Butler nor Dennis 283 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:47,600 Terry. Other reports say that Dorothy's son Sean eventually looked into his mother's disappearance 284 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:57,600 which did lead to an unnamed suspect however this suspect died of cancer in 2014 so nothing really 285 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:05,280 came of it and nothing was pursued. If she disappeared in 80 and Sean was only six Sean 286 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:11,440 would have been a full-fledged adult at this time when he started investigating. I'm very sorry for 287 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:18,000 him because of course if there's no closure there's always that question on who done it. 288 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:26,560 Yes all right so on August 6th of 1984 four years after her disappearance Dorothy's remains were 289 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:33,200 actually discovered on a construction site. A subcontractor with Pacific Bell was laying 290 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:41,040 lines along Santa Ana Canyon Road when he stumbled upon human remains. Police were able to 291 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:48,720 identify the remains as Dorothy Scott and estimated that she was placed in that area 292 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:56,800 approximately two years beforehand. Her skull, two thigh bones, and pelvis bones were recovered 293 00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:02,480 but were partially burnt. This is where their timeline came in because just two years before 294 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:11,600 in October of 1982 there was a brush fire in that area and so they knew that Dorothy had to be 295 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:18,960 in that area since at least October of 82 when that occurred. Due to the deteriorating conditions 296 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:25,840 of Dorothy's remains they were never able to determine her cause of death and there is also 297 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:33,280 one more thing that they found at that site along with Dorothy. At this same scene the 298 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:42,560 subcontractor found a dog's skeleton and it was discovered laying on top of Dorothy like literally 299 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:51,680 on top of her. Weird. There was speculation of a suspect associated with where Dorothy had worked 300 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:57,760 but this person was later cleared of any wrongdoing. I wonder now if that was Mike Butler 301 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:04,640 because of the description that I had just mentioned. Some suggested that it was a cult 302 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:09,600 connection kind of like we had just mentioned a little while ago but again none of that was 303 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:16,720 ever found to be true. There was also a turquoise ring along with a watch that they discovered 304 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:24,160 amongst Dorothy's remains and her mother Vera later identified these belonging to Dorothy 305 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:34,880 and noted that the watch had stopped on May 29th at 12 32 a.m. This was only one hour after Dorothy's 306 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:42,400 car was seen driving away from the hospital by her friends Conrad and Pam. Holy cow one hour. See 307 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:49,520 that's where I'm thinking if the caller called the newspaper and was crying and saying she was 308 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:54,720 cheating on me but she denied it at this point in time all I can think of is this guy was seeing 309 00:33:54,720 --> 00:34:02,240 he was seeing red and he was just going on full-fledged 100 emotion. He had to have been enraged 310 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:08,320 so much so that that occurred so quickly. Well Dorothy's remains were positively identified 311 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:17,120 through her dental records on August 14th of 1984 and it seems like at this point in time 312 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:23,840 it revived the creeper caller's obsession with Dorothy because Beth get this after Dorothy's 313 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:32,480 remains were discovered he called her house again not once but two more times. He's really deranged. 314 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:39,120 Mm-hmm well the police had installed voice recorders but the caller spoke very briefly on 315 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:45,360 the phone so that nobody could trace those calls and all he would say is is Dorothy home and then 316 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:51,440 he would just simply hang up and after those two phone calls he never called again. On August 22nd 317 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:58,560 of 1984 eight days after her remains were identified Dorothy's family held a memorial in 318 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:07,840 her name now sadly Jacob did pass away on April 23rd of 1994 on what would have been Dorothy's 319 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:16,480 46th birthday. He never found out what happened to his daughter. Vera died in 2002 also with not 320 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:22,400 knowing who this killer was. Dorothy's son Sean like I had mentioned kind of looked into the 321 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:28,960 the background of this but again he's he's living without really knowing what happened and and why 322 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:35,920 this would have happened and so far the stalker who terrorized Dorothy Scott and her family is 323 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:41,200 still out there today. This is the case that I would like to see on Unsolved Mysteries. Is that 324 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:49,440 still going on? No there's actually Walsh. Yeah oh. Adam Walsh's dad. John Walsh. Yes John Walsh has 325 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:55,680 a show that I watch and that would be great if something like this case could get on there 326 00:35:55,680 --> 00:36:02,240 because I'm very sad about this whole case and that's why I've been pretty quiet throughout 327 00:36:02,240 --> 00:36:11,760 Deb's report because it just is so so sad. Yes it is sad for everybody here the family members 328 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:19,040 Sean and poor Dorothy and she was taking the measures to maintain her own safety. Now I will 329 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:25,520 tell you I did find a couple resources so that our listeners can take safety measures against 330 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:32,000 stalking because if you've ever been stalked or if you know somebody who has been or is being stalked 331 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:37,600 you can go to victimsofcrime.org. There's also more information on missing persons such as the 332 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:44,720 National Center for Missing Adults. You can visit their website at victimsofcrime.org and this is a 333 00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:51,760 subsidiary of the Center for Missing and Exploited Children which is found at missingkids.org. Now 334 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:59,280 one more site that I found for missing persons is the National Center for Missing Endangered 335 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:08,560 Adults. You can also visit volunteermatch.org for more information there. That is what we've got 336 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:16,400 for Dorothy Jane Scott. Yeah hopefully Sean will find some closure to this and that would be 337 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:22,720 hopefully covered with a show like John Walsh has. I haven't seen any of his shows lately but he is 338 00:37:22,720 --> 00:37:28,720 such an advocate for crime stopping and things like that so it would definitely be a good case 339 00:37:28,720 --> 00:37:33,760 to cover like you said Beth. Anything else to add? Not really. Teachable moment. That was a 340 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:40,000 teachable moment but you didn't announce it as one. Oh okay well thanks for listening to our little 341 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:45,760 podcast called Dying to be Found and before we go we would love for you to leave a review on your 342 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:52,480 favorite podcast platform. If you like our show consider buying us a coffee at buymeacoffee.com 343 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:58,160 slash dying to be found spelled just like you see it on our logo. 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