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Hi everyone, this is Deb from Dying to be Found. Before we get started, I just wanted to say that

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episodes contain disturbing discussions on harmful acts and crimes against animals and or humankind.

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I don't think people really appreciate our stories like you and I do, do you?

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I don't know. I would like to hear stories that other people do about their, you know,

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if you're really into the group or whoever's doing it, I want to know about them.

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We need to know about our listeners. Well, that too. What were you saying?

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People need to know about us. People do know about us. We have our crazy stories. We are,

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at least I have my stories. Story you thought you were talking about that you thought maybe

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people didn't appreciate. Are you talking about like a listeners episode? What's the listeners

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episode? Nope. You're not talking about a listeners episode. You might be a little too close because

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I'm hearing, okay, talk now. Hello. Hi everybody. This is Deb. Yep. That's better.

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Okay. But the sound sounds good. Okay. Yep. And you do too. So then you'll say, Beth, can you hear

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me? I'm going to say, Deb, can you hear me? And then we both go, woo woo. It's too late. We already

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had our small talk. Oh, for goodness sakes. You're such a rat. We'll have to do that the next time.

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Okay. Anything going on with you? Not really. It's just kind of a lull time of months, I guess.

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So are we ready to talk about our story today? I think so. We can rock and roll.

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Okay. Let's do it. So today I am going to talk about Charles Albright. Charles was born on August

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10th, 1933 in Amarillo, Texas, and was adopted by Dell and Fred Albright when he was three days old.

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Fred was a local grocer and they grew up in a middle-class neighborhood. Charles fit in nicely

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with his new family and he always had lots of friends who looked up to him and found him to be

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quite entertaining. Growing up, Dell told Charles two varying stories of his birth mother. The first

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story was that Charles' birth mother was 16 years old who had a promising law career ahead of her,

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but secretly married her sweetheart and became pregnant. When her dad eventually found this out,

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her father did not take this news very well and demanded that she get her marriage annulled and

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give the baby up for adoption. The second story that Dell provided Charles was that his birth

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mother was a prostitute and gave him up for adoption. But neither of these cases were true.

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It turns out that she was actually a nurse working in the professional field. Charles' mother, Dell,

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seemed to have a phobia against germs and was known to change Charles' clothes up to three times a day

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because at the time she feared that he would catch the polio virus. Any ideas on how you actually

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catch the polio virus? Is it airborne? I don't know. She would often take him to the hospital

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to show him people being treated for polio in an iron lung. Do you know anything about the iron lung?

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No, but I've seen pictures of people in it. It was all encased where they were lying.

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So Dell also encouraged Charles to follow the fine arts and made sure that he practiced piano

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for 30 minutes a day before school. Does that bring back memories back?

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Yes. Did you like my piano practicing after school?

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Yes, I didn't mind them at all. In fact, I tried to get you and Kathy to play the piano while I

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played the violin. That was a passion of mine to do, but neither of you accommodated my wants.

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I'm sorry because I don't remember that. But if I had, no, I really didn't like piano. I'm going to

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admit it. I didn't like it. I had to practice for 30 minutes a day and I was always counting down

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that time. Plus Kathy was always better than me. All right. So Dell also helped Charles with his

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reading, writing, and arithmetic, which actually allowed him to skip two grades in elementary

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school. She taught him proper manners and always expected him to be polite, especially towards

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women. So occasionally Charles' mom would dress him up in girls' clothing and let him play with

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dolls. And it was usually when his aunt came to visit. I wonder if his dad knew about this,

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specifically because it was when the aunt came to visit. So I'm assuming that dad was at work

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during the day when Auntie came to visit. Yeah, I think so. Well, when Charles reached his

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teenage years, Dell also chaperoned him on his dates. He would even call parents to let them

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know that Charles would be on his best behavior during those dates. Did you ever have any chaperones

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when you were dating, Beth? No, but when I was dating, we used to bring you and Kathy along

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just because we are a loving family and wanted to be one big group. I do remember that. And I always

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appreciate that. That was going to be one of my stories, doggone it. When you dropped, I was going

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to talk about how you used to take me on your dates because we had fun. We did. Well, on the flip

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note, Charles' mom also had a dark side. When Charles was less than one year old, she caught

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him chewing on a tape measure. So she thought it would be a good idea to sit him in a dark room for

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an undisclosed period of time. What do we know about kids who are less than a year old? They don't

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know right from wrong. And they're teething. Right. Poor kid. I don't, putting him in a dark room.

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Mm-hmm. When he didn't nap, Charles' mother would end up tying him to the bed. She would also spank

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him when he did not drink his milk. When Charles was 11, his mother caught him killing small animals

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and practicing dissection, skinning, and stuffing dead birds. I think she gave him a little shotgun

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when he was a small child. And so he would be out there killing the animals, but he was also

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dissecting them at the same time. But he's 11 years old. Isn't that around the time when you really

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start to be inquisitive about life and you get out of the oblivious stage of child years?

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Sure is. She thought that a hobby would be nice and invested in a mail order taxidermy course,

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because Dale thought that this would help him to perfect his craft as an artist. She told him,

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you will learn an art that is secondary only to painting and sculpting. A true taxidermist must

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be an artist. Beth, have you ever been to a museum before and seen how animals are stuffed?

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Yes. What do you think? I don't really care for that anymore.

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You find it to be intriguing though when you were growing up?

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Yes. While I was growing up, it was very intriguing.

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Yeah. So I don't think really that there is anything unusual. I think it's kind of unusual

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that she would invest in a mail order taxidermy course. But if you're entertaining a child in

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their interests, I don't see anything different or wrong with that. They would go scout for dead

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animals on the roads, but mostly on birds that they would find and practice taxidermy on them.

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Charles' mom taught him how to use a knife and cut his skull open, a spoon to scoop out the brains,

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and forceps to pull out the eyes. That look on your face is hilarious, Beth.

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Okay. What's my thoughts here? How in the world does mother know how to cut open a skull and spoon

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out a brain and pull out eyes with forceps? How does this mother know this? Did she take the

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taxidermy course before her son? That would be a good question because contrary to the way she was

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raising him when he was younger, this seems unnatural. Yeah, absolutely. She was teaching

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him manners. Yes. And all of a sudden she's entertaining this, I would call it an odd hobby

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of sorts, but not necessarily. Again, I mean, we've talked enough about people who are interested in

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the sciences and maybe she was trying to groom Charles into growing into a, being a doctor when

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he grew up. Who knows? Well, Charles would spend hours stuffing and mounting the birds to make them

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look as lifelike as possible. He especially loved going to the local taxidermist and looking through

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the boxes of glorious fake eyes because of the iridescent glean that they gave off. So he's,

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you know, going into his local store and probably has a good relationship with the local taxidermist.

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And the problem here though is that Del would never allow Charles to purchase any of the eyes

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from the taxidermy saying that they were too expensive. Instead, she would sew buttons into

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where the eyes should be. He did a really good job of putting together these stuffed birds and then

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one missing component would be the eyes. Now, I will say I went on vacation recently and went into

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a museum where I did see some birds that were stuffed. It was an eagle and it kind of made me

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sad because eagles, I think that they have been taken off of the, just the endangered list, but

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still to see an eagle stuffed, but it was beautiful, gorgeous, and it really was very lifelike. Whoever

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did the taxidermy on that, they certainly do have an artistic technique. What are your thoughts on

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sewing buttons in place of eyes? Kind of weird. Maybe she's doing it so they can't see. Yeah, so

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if they had eyes then she would think maybe they were watching? Yes. Okay, I get it. Well, in his

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teenage years, Charles did run into some trouble and was arrested when he was around the age of

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13 for petty theft and aggravated assault, likely as a result of his overprotective, thrifty, and

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doting mother. Charles broke into churches and a local store to steal a watch, spent several months

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in prison, and then was eventually released and placed on probation. Charles' probation officer,

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who was also studying psychology, said that Charles could divorce reality sufficiently from his value

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system so that he could tell you something false at the same time as actually believing what he

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just said was telling the truth. Well, when Charles graduated high school at the age of 15, remember

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that he skipped two grades in elementary school, his parents bought him some property, probably as

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a graduation gift, which Charles turned over and sold for more land. I was thinking about this when

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I was doing this research. If his parents bought him the property, I wonder if he got the permission

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to turn that over because he's already thinking like an entrepreneur and some of our episodes in

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the past are talking about entrepreneurial minds and I think it's pretty ingenious that he was only

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15 years old already thinking about flipping land, you know? Sounds like a genius in the making.

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Well, he was so successful when he was graduating high school that a Dallas Times Herald published

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a story on him called, The World's Youngest Real Estate Man Amassing Nest Egg for College.

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Yeah, before he even went out to college, he was already flipping property. Yes. During his college

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years, Charles originally rolled in at North Texas State College in Denton, but was arrested during

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his freshman year for being a part of a small burglary ring that broke into local businesses

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and stole hundreds of dollars of merchandise. Charles and his theft ring buddies spent a year

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in prison for petty theft and before he was sentenced, his mother, being ever the over

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protective one, came back, went before the judge and attempted to serve his time in his place.

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She was denied. If one of your kids ran into legal trouble, would you go to the courts and ask them

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to do their time for them? No. No, not every good mother would do that. No, I don't think so. Yeah,

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I always told my kids, I was a single mother when they were small. I kind of had to be mom and dad

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at the same time. So my big thing was, if you ever call me to bail you out of jail, I promise you,

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you will stay there until your court date. I can't afford to bail you out. And guess what? My kids

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were in the straight and narrow. Well, in the early 50s and 60s, Charles enrolled in Arkansas

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State Teachers College in Conway, Arkansas, and then he turned into a well educated, friendly,

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and successful adult, or so it seemed. He was described by his friends as being happy,

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fluent in French and Spanish, and quite talented as a painter and a pianist. I just don't get it

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because I already told you, I did my piano lessons when I was little, and there was nothing easy

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about playing the piano to me. I just didn't have that natural talent. Well, it was like me with the

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violin. I struggled. I played it from grade four to 12 and was in the high school orchestra, but

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I had to do double the amount of work that others had to do because it didn't come naturally to me.

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I always loved listening to you play the violin. And believe it or not, this was going to be one

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of my other stories. I loved going to your concerts. Did you? Loved it because I really

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loved music. So I think that was part of it. That's sweet. Looking up to my big sister.

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Thanks. Yeah, no problem. Well, Charles was also the president of his French club. He was the

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business manager of the yearbook and a member of the school choir, speaking of music. Not only that,

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but he had talent as far as athletics because he was also the halfback of the football team.

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No idea what a halfback is. If somebody wants to email me and tell me, I would love to know.

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Well, he's sounding like a well-rounded young gentleman. Yeah, it sounds like he had a pretty

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decent upbringing. At least he knew all of society's expectations. However, on the dark side,

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he was also known to break into buildings of his college and steal food from the refrigerator so

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he could cook steaks for his friends. What a nice guy. He broke into the physics professor's office

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and stole a test in the middle of the day while his professor was teaching his classes. He made

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copies of it and returned it to its proper spot before the professor ever found out what he was

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doing. So he basically made copies of it and passed it out so that everybody got a good grade on the

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final exam. He also broke into his school's office and forged his report cards to show that he was

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making all A's because he did not want to have to report to his parents that he was in fact failing

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and he really didn't want his mother to find out. The reason behind his failing these classes is

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that he said he was just too bored to study. I'm saying when I was in college, I probably failed

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a class or two for other reasons. Sleeping in. No, I just wasn't good at geology.

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God gone it. I could not pass that geology class to save my life. All right, so there was another

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time that Charles' roommate broke up with his girlfriend. So Charles proceeded to take all of

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the pictures of his roommate's ex and cut out her eyeballs in every last one of the photos before

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throwing the pictures away. That's unusual. Well, when Charles' roommate began dating someone else,

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I don't know, he was looking at a picture one day and he was starting to take a little bit closer

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of a look and he discovered that Charles had pasted his old girlfriend's eyes onto the picture of his

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new girlfriend. That strikes me as something that he's telling his friend that the old girlfriend

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is watching him. Wow, Beth, you always have these really profound statements when I'm thinking

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something completely different. I'm thinking to myself, what does it take for you to think about

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looking at a photograph and how small somebody's eyes are? He had to have gotten something like

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an X-Acto knife and tweezers and very intricately cut those out and then paste them very carefully

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onto a new photo. Yes, most definitely. Yeah, but I like your idea of his old girlfriend watching

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because when we break up with people, we don't always let that person go, do we? No. So Charles

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also took the little eyeballs from all the photos and pasted them up on the walls around his frat

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house. He was considered to be the class clown, so his frat brothers did not think anything of it.

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They actually found it pretty funny and considered it to be just one of Charles' pranks. What do you

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think of him wallpapering the walls with eyeballs, Beth? Wrong. I don't know, that's really freakish.

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Walking in after class and just seeing a bunch of eyeballs all over the wall. I can't even imagine.

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It's not a room I'd be comfortable sitting in. No, I think I would probably be taking those down.

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Yes. In the 1970s, Charles eventually tried to get into medical school to become a surgeon,

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but was not accepted. So he just basically went on with life and married his college sweetheart,

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Betty Hester, and moved to Arkansas to become a teacher until the school. Yep. You said Arkansas,

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it says Arkansas. Yes. Here in America, we pronounce that Arkansas. Sorry. My face is red.

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Okay. Did I keep that in there? Did I keep it in? I don't know. You decide at the time.

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Okay. So Charles eventually tried to get into medical school to become a surgeon,

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but was not accepted. So he basically went on with his life and married his college sweetheart,

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Betty Hester, and moved to Arkansas to become a teacher until the school district that he worked

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for discovered that Charles had lied about earning a college degree. I dated somebody who really

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puffed up his resume. And I'm going to say about 10 years ago, just about every company that I know

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is starting to request transcripts, request to see the physical diploma that you have earned. I don't

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know if they do that in Canada these days, Beth, do they? I have not applied for a job in a long

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time. I've been in the same place for the last 20 years. When I was working at one of my jobs,

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I was in the middle of that job when they asked me for my college diploma. Really? Well, Charles

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was dismissed from his job and spent time in prison and placed on probation due to being charged

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with fraud. So he was basically teaching without a license. Well, he may have gotten a license,

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but it was forged. He and his wife moved back to Dallas, Texas, where he went on to working just

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basically jobs here and there, anything that he could get. He did work as a designer for an

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aircraft company, an illustrator for a patent company, a carpenter, and a baseball bat maker.

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He's got a couple neat little things on his under his belt that he didn't need a college degree for.

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He sounds like H.H. Holmes in all those multiple careers. I was thinking the same thing, a lot of

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parallel activities and or behaviors. Yes, exactly. So after what Charles described as a loveless

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marriage, he and Betty ended up getting a divorce in 1974 and he went on to become a hairstylist.

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One of Charles' customers discovered that he had a knack for painting, probably through conversation.

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Do you have good conversations with your hairstylist? Yes. Yeah. So you would sort of form a pretty good

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relationship with your hairstylist because they get to know you over time, right? Right. Well,

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Charles' customer commissioned him to paint a portrait of his wife for a birthday present for

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her. Charles accepted the job, but took weeks to complete the portrait. Now, Beth, I know you are

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an artist. So what is a reasonable timeframe, do you think, to paint something? Well, it depends

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on how big it is. If he's working, you know, it could be anywhere between a week and a month.

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OK, so he did take a couple of weeks and I will say that he was making a six foot by three foot

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portrait. So wouldn't that take a couple of weeks? Yes, I envision something with the eyes coming.

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Why, yes, let me let me move on and I will get there to tell you that. So

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he took a couple of weeks to complete the portrait and his customer was getting a little tired of

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waiting. So he did stop by Charles' house to check on the progress. And what he did discover was the

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large portrait of six by three feet, like I mentioned, and it actually looks strikingly

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like his wife. So he was very pleased with the outcome and he liked how realistic it was.

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The woman's entire physique was complete, everything except for the eyes. When Charles' customer

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asked him if he would be painting them, Charles responded by saying, when I'm ready to. And it

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took him several months more to finish the eyes. So I imagine he's just walking by that picture

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day after day, just looking at it. Now, I too have tinkered in painting and all I can say is an artist

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knows when they're done. Would you agree? Yes. I'm not sure why he did everything up until that

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point, but unless you're an artist, you just know when you're done. So if it's not done, it will sit

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there until you're ready to take a paintbrush to it, I suppose. Right. Now we're going to move on

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to talk about some murder victims that were discovered in the Dallas, Texas area where Charles

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was residing. I'm going to go back a little bit in his childhood where his mother had told him a

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couple different versions on his birth mother. Remember that at the beginning of this? Yes.

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Charles did not believe that his birth mother was an aspiring lawyer, but rather thought that she

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was a prostitute, which led him to begin preying on prostitutes after his adoptive mother, Del,

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passed away. The first victim was discovered on December 13th, 1990. Mary Lou Pratt, a veteran

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sex worker in her early thirties, was found in a lower class area just south of Dallas, Texas.

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She was wearing only a t-shirt and bra and was naked from the waist down. Mary was badly beaten.

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Her eyes were shut as she had a gunshot wound to the head by a 44 caliber shotgun. Police did not

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really look into this murder because it was common for sex workers in the area to be beaten by their

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pimps or run into a bad jawn, but murders in the area were quite unusual. It did appear, however,

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that Mary had been killed elsewhere and someone had dumped her body in the area where it was found.

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Now, Mary was sent for an autopsy to see if they could at least find out what her cause of death

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was. Even though she was badly bruised, when the pathologist went to inspect her eyes, they discovered

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that Mary's eyes had been expertly removed and there is no surrounding tissue damage. Whoever did

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this, Beth, they basically took time to strategically remove, almost like a surgeon, to remove those eyes

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from their sockets. The removal of Mary's eyes were so perfectly executed that her upper and lower

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eyelids remained intact and undisturbed. So if you envision somebody whose eyes are closed, that's just

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part of the facial makeup. Well, whoever did this didn't disturb that facial construction of a human

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being looking like they're sleeping. According to the coroner, whoever did this knew how to cut six

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major muscles that held each eye socket into place, along with the optical nerve, which is considered

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to be rope-tucked. So imagine how long that would have taken. I would think it would be in hours,

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but if it is an expert, then it could be done fairly quickly. Well, because of this unusual

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discovery, investigators contacted the Federal Bureau of Investigations, also known as the FBI,

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Violent Crime Apprehension Program Unit, which entered Mary's condition into their federal

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database. Now during the search, nothing came up of any similar crimes. So we basically have a

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mystery on our hands as far as who might have done this, because this is the first case ever

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documented. Now the second victim was found on February 10th of 1991. This time, 27-year-old

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Susan Peterson was discovered deceased on the same South Dallas road, except at the other end of the

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road from where Mary Pratt was found. This made Susan's case fall under a different jurisdiction.

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Susan was autopsied by a different pathologist who came up with the same results as Mary. Susan was

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the same MO as Mary. She was found nearly naked. She was a local sex worker. Susan was also beaten,

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shot in the head, chest, and stomach, and her eyes were also meticulously removed with no tissue

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damage. Police from both Mary's and Susan's jurisdictions began working on the case together

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and treated it like the same killer conducted both crimes. They agreed not to bring too much

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attention to the two victims because they did not want to scare the person off who was committing

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these crimes or cause him to change his killing patterns. They did, however, tell the public that

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they believe the killer was well known by the sex workers because of the ease of choosing his victims.

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You know, I'm sure that they are on their guard while they're at work, but going with their gut

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feeling. Police put flyers out around town warning sex workers to take caution and to use their

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judgment when they were getting in the car with somebody. Without providing specific details,

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they set up a tip line for people to call in. The police set up a sting operation using undercover

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agents as decoys and took note of all the license plates in the area where they knew the sex workers

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to be working. At some point in time, the police decided that they also needed to tell the community

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about the murders, but they did not disclose information about the missing eyes. You know,

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they always keep one or two things out of the news, right? Right. And that seemed to be a pretty

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major one. Absolutely. Sure. Now, news did get out to the media that the women's faces had been

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strangely mutilated, which immediately drew national attention to the case because, you know,

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media frenzy. All of a sudden, they're dubbing the killer as the Dallas Ripper. And at the time,

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they did not know who it was. Now, shortly after a third victim was found, and this was Shirley

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Williams, who was in her early to mid forties. Now, I'm not sure exactly of her age because from

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all the articles that I could find, there was a conflict in the age reporting, but she was

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discovered on March 19th, 1991 by a local elementary school. And unfortunately too,

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she was discovered by elementary school kids. That's pretty horrifying. It reminds me of one

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of my books I read on Tammy from Tammy Hogue. The same thing happened. The kids came upon a dead body.

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Wow. Well, Shirley was also a local sex worker, but did not work in the same area that Mary Pratt

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and Susan Peterson had. This tipped police off that the killer had indeed changed his killing

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location, likely due to the fact that what was being reported on the news at this point in time,

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right? Because they're already saying things on the news. They're giving information to the news

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media to just to warn people. And of course, you know, public relations, you want to know that

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you're living in a safe community. Yes. Well, Charles decided to attack an African-American woman

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just to throw the police off of his trail. Of course, you know, switching things up as far as

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the killing pattern. And since many criminals tend to choose their victims from the same race,

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that's when he decided to attack Shirley because Mary and Susan were both Caucasian. When Shirley

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was found, she was covered in bruises, had a broken nose, and also died of a gunshot wound to the top

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and the back of her head. What police found at this killing site was pretty much what did

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Charles Albright in. They discovered the tip of an X-Acto knife that was used to surgically remove

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Shirley's eyes. So this kind of goes back to the first two killings. He must have meticulously

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removed the eyes. Would he have removed the eyes where he shot the victims? That's a very good

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point because they would be in the open. Yeah. And especially at an elementary school. Right.

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Because, you know, when I was talking about how the pathologist said that the nerve was

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roped up, if he was doing that on site at an elementary school, he was bold. Very much so.

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Well, after Shirley Williams' killing, many of the sex workers basically had enough and they just

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left the city, except for one woman named Brenda White. She actually decided that she was going

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to stick around and refuse to leave. And one night when Brenda was working, a white station

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wagon pulled up to her. She got in the vehicle and told the driver what motel that they should drive

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to. But the driver said that he had his own private place that he preferred to use. And this, of

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course, raised Brenda's alarm bells. Quick thinking, Brenda sprayed the driver in the face with mace

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and jumped out of the car and got out of Dodge. Brenda immediately went to the police and told

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them everything that just happened, like the driver screaming at her that she would be next

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and that he would kill all of the sex workers around town. Another sex worker, Veronica Rodriguez,

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also told the police earlier that she had been picked up by a John and was also attacked. She

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said after the attack, she ran to someone's house close by that she knew. And the John matched the

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exact description that the person Brenda White had reported. Now we've got two sex workers in the

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area describing the same person who attacked two people. And a few days later, police patrolling

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the area that Veronica was known to frequent came across her sitting on a vehicle with a balding

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middle-aged man whose name was Axton Schindler. Veronica said that this was the man whose house

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she ran to when she was being attacked and he was the one that saved her. As they continued on with

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the investigation, police pretty much discovered that Axton Schindler was somewhat paranoid but

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rather harmless. They quickly ruled him out from being a suspect. Axton was also renting property

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owned by Fred Albright who happened to be the deceased father of Charles Albright. And one of

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the police who was manning the tip line received an anonymous call to say that she was friends with

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Mary Pratt, the first victim who had introduced her to a new boyfriend. This boyfriend had very

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good manners. He was exceptionally polite but had a weird fascination with eyes. She also found at

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his house, I guess she went to go visit his house, and she also found a box of knife blades. Charles

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Albright's pictures were shown to Brenda White and Veronica Rodriguez who both positively identified

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him as their attacker. So on March 22nd, 1991, at 2 30 a.m. the SWAT team surrounded Charles

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Albright's house, entered and arrested him for the murder of Mary Pratt, Susan Peterson, and Shirley

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Williams. It's about time that he got caught. I think it was pretty ingenious of that lady to

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step forward and say hey, just like another one of our cases we talked about where somebody went

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with their gut. Yeah, I think she was very brave to do that, especially with that line of work. It's

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you know already dangerous but I'm glad the community seemed to be looking out for each other.

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That's really, really good. Yes. Now the case against Charles Albright was circumstantial and

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he was eventually found guilty on only Shirley Williams death because he had left the evidence

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behind. All the other cases were circumstantial. He did receive a life sentence without the

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possibility of parole and is now serving out his term at John Moonford Psychiatric Unit in Lubbock,

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Texas. Until his death on October 22nd of 2020, Charles Albright denied ever cutting out anybody's

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eyeballs and insisted that the police did this themselves to inflate their case. He was 87 years

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old. The end. The end. Anything to add? Not on that story. I have a teachable moment. I have one this

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week. Yeah, I love it. I can't wait. Well to keep this short, I lived downtown and when I went out to

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my car across the street in a parking lot, there was a young gentleman sitting there and he looked

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lost. So I asked him if he was okay and he says his car wasn't working and needed to be jumped.

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My gut said, don't help. You know all those shows and books you read and watch. I walked away from

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him and proceeded to head to work and then I went back to him and said, what can I do? Do you want

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me to help jump your car? And he did. All the while I was as nervous as heck. When that was done,

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I promised myself I'll always go with my gut and I will never do something like that again. I feel

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very lucky. What are the odds at five in the morning, downtown, somebody sitting there is

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not a murderer? Well I'm glad that you didn't get murdered that day Beth because it sounds pretty

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fishy and yeah it's, I mean you have to go with your gut. There's that internal instinct in all

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of us and we've talked about that before. You know with the online dating or even meeting somebody

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for the first time. I had no idea that had happened and I am so glad that you were able to at least

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tell the tale but you just have to, I hate to say you can't trust anybody but you have to be very,

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very mindful of the people that you are interacting with especially if it's dark outside or something

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just doesn't seem right. All I kept thinking was this is a Ted Bundy story in the making. How long

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were you there? Now how was he acting while you were jumping the car? Is he the one that actually

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hooked the cars up to the batteries? Yes, he didn't have cables but I did. Okay. I don't know how to

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hook them up so he went ahead and did it but he felt that he needed to repay me. He says I don't

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have anything else on me but you can have this can of orange juice. Did you take it? No. Good

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because it might have poisoned you. It wasn't opened. Well there we have it. That is the story

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of Charles Albright aka the eyeball killer. And that's a wrap. That is a wrap. We would love for

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you to go visit us on social media at Dying to be Found. That would be on Instagram. You'll look

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dyingtobefound.com just like you see on our logo. We're on Facebook and Twitter. Anything else,

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Beth? That was an interesting story. Oh my gosh. I loved it. You did? What did you love about it?

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It's something I have never heard of before. It was a whole new thing for me. Okay. What else?

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It was, I guess I do like creepiness and the creepiness came in when there were the all those

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eyeballs were on that in that room taped up onto the wall. So I kind of get what you're saying

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because have I talked to you about kangaroos before? No. Okay. I have a story about kangaroos.

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Kangaroos are cute as can be. Have you ever seen one in person? In the zoo. Were you able to touch

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it, get close to it? No. Was it behind a fence? Yes. So it was in its natural habitat. As much

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as a zoo can be in its natural habitat. Yeah, that's true. Okay. So we had a kangaroo farm

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close to where I live and it doesn't exist there anymore. But back in the day when I was single,

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I went out on a date and I went to the kangaroo farm because you know me, I love animals.

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Yes. Oh gosh. What an amazing experience. We were able to get up really close. We got into one of

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those buggy things. It's almost like a little train. Well, we were driving around and coming up on the

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kangaroos. They're very social creatures and they were all amongst their little families. And I'm

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going to say there had to have been at least 30 kangaroos, which of course I'm mesmerized. So

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we're driving on this cart past a bunch of kangaroos who were doing their thing. And when they heard

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the cart coming, they all stopped and looked like the scarecrows that were looking at me when I was

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driving through that town. It was so cute. And then it got creepy. They just got real still like

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statues and looked at me. Okay. What else do we have? Anything? Speaking of kangaroos, when Al and

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I were just dating and I went to visit his sister in another town, it was dark and our area is known

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for having deer fly into the roads. This time it was a coyote that ran across the road. And Al said,

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look at that kangaroo. I looked at him and I says, what? He says, I don't know why I said that.

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So I don't let him down. I do joke with him about that. That bunny. Look at the kangaroo. Oh,

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that's so cute. I love kangaroos. Yeah. We don't have any natural to the natural habitat of Canada.

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So why you thought it was a kangaroo? Yeah, exactly. But don't get too close because they will

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punch you. I don't know much about kangaroos. How I know is they're cute. Okay. I think we're

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really done now. Okay. Oh my goodness. All right. I think that's it. Well, okay then. I think

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definitely that's a wrap and we will talk to you next week. Bye.