1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,840 Hi everyone, this is Deb from Dying to be Found. Before we get started today, I just 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:10,320 wanted to mention that episodes contain disturbing discussions on harmful acts and crimes against 3 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:15,900 animals and or humankind. Recordings are not intended for young or sensitive audiences 4 00:00:15,900 --> 00:00:45,320 due to the content nature of this podcast. Listener discretion is strongly advised. 5 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:52,880 Hey Bethy Boo, how are you today? I'm good, how are you Deb? I'm doing well. It's always 6 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:58,520 so good to see you and I'm just so excited to see you so much more on a weekly basis. 7 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:03,160 It's been, I'm going to say we have never in our whole lives been able to talk as much 8 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:08,200 as we have in the last month. No, this has been great. I've been telling my friends how 9 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:14,900 nice it is to reconnect. Oh yeah, I feel the same way. So, um, hey, do you have any vacation 10 00:01:14,900 --> 00:01:19,840 plans coming up? I know the weather's getting nice. So I know I'm going on spring break 11 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:25,320 in another week or so, but I wondered if you had any plans. Yes, I'm going to fly a little 12 00:01:25,320 --> 00:01:31,360 north and visit some family. I'm going to see my daughter and son-in-law and my two 13 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:36,840 lovely granddaughters. Oh, are you flying north to get in that, you know, one week of 14 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:45,440 the year where it's, it's not cold. You crazy. We have warm weather. It'll probably still 15 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:52,680 be cool because it's in June. The evenings I suspect will be a sweater weather. Oh yeah. 16 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:58,560 That's nice though. Do you guys do bonfires? No, I used to do bonfires a long time ago. 17 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:03,080 I enjoyed that. Just, you know, you know, adults around the bonfire, just talking about 18 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:07,480 life I guess. There isn't a lot of room in the backyard for that. Trampoline takes up 19 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:13,720 a lot of room. And then I have a slope. It's like a, probably a 45 degree slope in my yard. 20 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:17,740 So I'd probably be the one to roll down that hill, but the fence would stop me from going 21 00:02:17,740 --> 00:02:23,920 into the neighbor's yard. So what are you going to do on holiday? I am going to Florida, 22 00:02:23,920 --> 00:02:28,680 I think for spring break. It's going to be nice. Maybe by the time we actually get this 23 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:34,680 on air, I will probably have already come and gone, but I have not been to Florida in 24 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:38,440 a couple of years. So we're going to head that way. John's got some friends that he 25 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:43,240 wanted to go see and I suppose I'm a tag along, but I love the beach. I don't like getting 26 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:48,840 in the water because there's creepy things out there, but I do love listening to the 27 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:55,800 ocean and just watching the waves. It's so relaxing. So I read, do I read? Um, I haven't 28 00:02:55,800 --> 00:03:01,720 read anything that any fiction, I have not read fiction probably in about four years, 29 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:07,960 but yeah, I've got some actually on my reading list. So I'm looking forward to relaxing and 30 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:13,720 yeah, reading and getting the, getting the sand in my hair, I guess. That'll be nice. 31 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:19,280 Yeah. Goodness. While talking about holidays, I guess this is a good little segue to get 32 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:23,480 into the story that we're going to tell today. So are you ready to talk about it? I sure 33 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:30,440 am. Okay. We're going to talk about Natalie Holloway. Natalie was born in Memphis, Tennessee 34 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:37,560 on October 21st, 1986. When Natalie was six, her parents divorced and her mum remarried. 35 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:43,320 The family soon moved to Mountain Brook, Alabama. Natalie was considered to be an all-around 36 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:49,080 American girl who fit quite nicely into her new environment. She was pleasant to be around. 37 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:54,240 She went by the nickname Hootie and by her teenage years, Natalie was part of Dorian's 38 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:59,800 dance team, which I believe it was like a recreational, but a competitive dance team. 39 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:04,040 So she fit really, really nicely in with her high school crowd, just the average American 40 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:10,160 girl. And at the time, I will say this, that Natalie did end up disappearing a little bit 41 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:15,740 later after her graduation. But at the time of her disappearance, Natalie had one younger 42 00:04:15,740 --> 00:04:19,560 brother named Matt, just for the purpose of this story, where she was going to kind of 43 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:25,100 focus on Natalie, who did go missing on her trip when she was taking a senior trip on 44 00:04:25,100 --> 00:04:30,440 vacation right after high school. Did you take any vacations when you graduated high 45 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:35,600 school? Cause that's kind of a big thing around here. No. Okay. Yeah. Cause I took a trip 46 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:41,800 to Florida when I was graduating high school, you know, we didn't necessarily have chaperones. 47 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:46,120 It was just about, we were 18. Well, I wasn't quite 18, but a lot of the people that I was 48 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:51,680 with, they were already 18. And it just seemed like during that era of when I graduated high 49 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:57,200 school, we didn't worry about things that we worry about today. Exactly. Especially 50 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:02,560 if you're with a group of people where, you know, if you have six or eight or even 10 51 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:06,500 people that you take a trip with, then you shouldn't really have to worry because you're 52 00:05:06,500 --> 00:05:11,600 covering each other's back. And I can only imagine that, you know, you partner up and, 53 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:18,920 at least kind of just watch out for each other. All right. So moving on in May of 2005, Natalie, 54 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:25,720 along with over 124 of her fellow classmates from her graduating class at Mountain Brook 55 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:30,680 high school, went on to it on a graduation trip to Aruba. I'm not going to say I've ever 56 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:36,560 been on a trip with 124 people. I believe too, that she had some chaperones with her. 57 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:40,720 Parents did go along. I just mentioned that parents did not go along. Yeah. She went with 58 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:45,840 a pretty big group just to celebrate graduation. And they ended up taking a trip to Aruba. 59 00:05:45,840 --> 00:05:51,080 And when she returned, yeah, you would think that it would be, especially if you had chaperones 60 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:56,960 and that many people, right? Cause your rooms are going to be full. But when Natalie returned 61 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:03,160 back to Alabama, she had planned to attend the university of Alabama to pursue a full 62 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:08,240 scholarship in medicine, according to NBC news when they were reporting this. So she 63 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:14,760 had a good future ahead of her. Yes. Now Natalie's parents received a call after Natalie had 64 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:21,080 gone to say that she had not made it to the plane to return to Alabama on May 30th of 65 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:26,920 2005. Everybody was supposed to kind of meet in the lobby, take the shuttle over to the 66 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:31,280 airport. Well, Natalie never showed up. She was scheduled to meet in the lobby to make 67 00:06:31,280 --> 00:06:36,080 her way to the airport. And on that morning, and again, she just never appeared. There 68 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:41,560 was no site to be found with her. So Natalie's parents did not waste any time and boarded 69 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:47,520 a plane to Aruba on the same day. If she was in Alabama, if she lived in Alabama, that's 70 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:52,720 like the lower United States. So it's really not too far to the islands. So really the 71 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:59,240 trip itself would probably be maybe two hours. It's really not a long way or a long time 72 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:04,820 period. So they jumped on a plane, got to Aruba the same day. And then Natalie's mom, 73 00:07:04,820 --> 00:07:10,040 her name was Beth Holloway Twitty, stated that when her husband, Jug, got there, she 74 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:15,440 expected the island to be like Fort Lauderdale, which is one of the popular beaches and tourist 75 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:21,000 attractions in Florida. I mean, every single beach is pretty much a tourist attraction 76 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:26,960 in the state of Florida. But have you ever been to an ocean area, Beth? I know Lake Huron 77 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:31,760 is your ocean. I know that you get to the fresh water and things like that, but have 78 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:37,400 you ever taken a trip where you go to the beach and kind of hang out at the beach at 79 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:41,520 all? Yes, when I lived out East. Okay. So you know what it's like to go to a touristy 80 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:48,080 area. Yes. And that's what Beth Twitty thought when she was headed over to Aruba, because 81 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:55,620 it's really geographically close setting. Aruba is a tropical island just off the coast 82 00:07:55,620 --> 00:08:00,800 of Florida. So it's like a hop, skip, and a jump to get there. Probably like from Nova 83 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:06,520 Scotia to Prince Edward Island, right? So the area she thought would just be any other 84 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:13,080 touristy attraction, just like in Florida. And the island itself in Aruba is about five 85 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:19,460 miles long and 25 to 30 miles wide. And this was not the case though for Miss Twitty because 86 00:08:19,460 --> 00:08:24,040 she thought, okay, well, this is a small island. But once she got there, okay, my child is 87 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:30,300 missing. And all of a sudden, how big did this island become to her? I can't imagine. 88 00:08:30,300 --> 00:08:36,120 There was one time when my son was little and we went on a camping trip and we had a 89 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:41,800 couple of campsites set up where we could see each other's tents. We went with a family 90 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:48,160 member and we had my son take something from my campsite over to the other campsite and 91 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:52,800 literally no joke. He went missing. All you did was you turned your back. That was it. 92 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:58,120 He was gone. Yeah. That big camping area became very big to me because what happened was Cory 93 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:03,320 ended up following one of the guys that was working in the park and he was blowing leaves 94 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:07,480 and Cory had this tricycle. So he was like, Oh, I'm just going to go down there. Well, 95 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:13,040 guess what? My son has a need for speed. And so he came upon a hill. So he was on his trike 96 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:17,880 and he decided he was going to take a little joy ride down the hill. And it was about 15 97 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:24,280 or 20 minutes that he was missing in my eyes. And so in that little space, I mean, it was 98 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:30,280 terrifying to me. So my point being with Beth Twitty going to this Island that she thought 99 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:35,140 was just a little beach resort, all of a sudden, just to see, even though it's 25 miles wide 100 00:09:35,140 --> 00:09:40,520 and five miles long, it was, it might as well have been the entire United States, you know? 101 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:46,880 So that's kind of where her head was at. Sarah went missing for maybe 45 minutes and it was 102 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:52,980 in a park where there was splash pads. And I said to Sarah, just go to the other side 103 00:09:52,980 --> 00:09:58,200 of these buildings and you will find a splash pad. I'll catch up with you. Well, what I 104 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:05,560 didn't know was it was fixed up and made five times the size. So when I went around the 105 00:10:05,560 --> 00:10:14,420 building, I saw what looked like to be 200 people lined up on five massive water slides. 106 00:10:14,420 --> 00:10:21,720 And Sarah would have been about six or seven and she actually stood in line and I was panicking. 107 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:28,920 We got some walkie talkies going from down below where I was and upstairs to the top 108 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:35,180 of the slide and nobody could find her and it was panic city. Oh my gosh. I will never 109 00:10:35,180 --> 00:10:41,240 forget that. So I learned a lesson. Don't just say go over there and I'll catch up with 110 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:46,040 you. Now that's interesting because that's what I did. I was like, Hey, Corey, can you 111 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:51,580 take this over to the other campsite? I think it was just a cup. He put it on the, on the, 112 00:10:51,580 --> 00:10:57,640 on the handlebars of his trike. And that was the last time we saw him for 15, 20 minutes 113 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:04,040 is oh gosh, like your heart just comes out of your chest. Well, yes, it's very scary. 114 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:10,000 Absolutely. Then again, to a small extent, I know what it's like to lose your child very 115 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:16,400 briefly and yeah, that's probably the longest, longest time of my life. So Beth went back 116 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:21,560 to the hotel where Natalie had stayed and talked with the night manager to try to get 117 00:11:21,560 --> 00:11:27,680 some information and what she found out on who Natalie might have been with last. And 118 00:11:27,680 --> 00:11:33,560 it didn't take her long to find out that the last person to see Natalie alive was a young 119 00:11:33,560 --> 00:11:39,920 man named Yorin van Sloot. Now remember the casino was attached to the hotel, so they 120 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:46,840 had these cameras everywhere, but the video footage showed Yorin was playing a game at 121 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:52,740 the table and Natalie was probably three people over just kind of watching the whole thing. 122 00:11:52,740 --> 00:11:57,120 She wasn't engaged in the game itself. She was just observing, but you could see that 123 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:01,480 they were together. I mean, the videos that I saw for the footage did not look like they 124 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:06,700 were interacting whatsoever. So at some point in time, they did start talking. Now I wanted 125 00:12:06,700 --> 00:12:13,360 to give you just a little brief history on Yorin van Sloot. He was originally born. Well, 126 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:20,720 what do you say originally born? He was born in 1987 and originally raised in the Netherlands. 127 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:25,860 And then he moved to Aruba in 1990 when he was about three years old. So as many people 128 00:12:25,860 --> 00:12:31,040 would at this age, Yorin considered himself to be a native of the island. In his early 129 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:35,800 adult years, Yorin began spending a lot of time at the casino that was attached to the 130 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:39,960 hotel where Natalie was seen last. Do you do any gambling, Beth? Have you ever gone 131 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:45,240 to a casino? Hello? Can you hear me? Yeah, there was a lag. I couldn't hear you. You 132 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:49,360 were frozen. Okay. I was wondering if you were frozen because I was hoping that you 133 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:57,120 would drop off so I could play the Beth Got Dropped music. Dropped. Sounds like a song. 134 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:02,840 I know you listened to that episode. I was like, oh man, we got our thing here. I'm actually 135 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:07,120 sitting here hoping you're going to get dropped. Then again, it's more editing for me, so maybe 136 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:13,080 not. All right. So have you ever gone gambling in a casino? Well, I've been into a casino, 137 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:16,780 but didn't gamble. Yeah, they're, they can be pretty busy, I guess, depending on the, 138 00:13:16,780 --> 00:13:24,600 you know, time of day, time of year. Van der Sloot lived in a nearby town of Noord, which 139 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:28,880 was relatively close to the touristy area where Natalie Holloway was staying at her 140 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:35,480 hotel. Now I watched, I think it was like seven parts. It was a 2020 special and it 141 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:40,580 was called Manhunter. And so they had seven segments of this, which truly, I got a lot 142 00:13:40,580 --> 00:13:46,800 of my information from here. And the Manhunter series said that Beth and her tour guides 143 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:52,800 and the police immediately went over to Van der Sloot's home to question Joran, but Joran's 144 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:57,940 parents met them at the door. I feel like I heard somewhere that Joran's dad was a lawyer. 145 00:13:57,940 --> 00:14:03,200 So of course he's going to immediately lawyer up. Right. Now Joran did take the time to 146 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:08,580 talk to the police and readily admitted that he had been with Natalie. He proceeded to 147 00:14:08,580 --> 00:14:14,260 describe some sexual activities that he engaged in with Natalie while Beth was standing right 148 00:14:14,260 --> 00:14:18,780 there. Now, would you do that in front of a parent who's looking for their missing child? 149 00:14:18,780 --> 00:14:24,800 Come on now. Yeah. So inappropriate. Very. Now Beth's tour guides kind of got their feathers 150 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:29,560 ruffled because they immediately started interrogating him and they were pretty shocked with his 151 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:33,560 behavior and his blatant confession. Sure. I was with her. What are you going to do about 152 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:37,860 it? Right. Yeah. And after a little bit of a heated discussion, Joran offered to show 153 00:14:37,860 --> 00:14:43,320 everyone where he dropped Natalie off near the Holiday Inn. While Joran was talking to 154 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:49,800 the police, Natalie's mom noticed a gray van that Natalie was last seen on camera footage 155 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:55,180 getting into where, and this van was parked in their driveway. So basically the van is 156 00:14:55,180 --> 00:15:00,720 sitting right there. Beth's looking straight at it. And Joran had two of his friends over, 157 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:06,860 Deepak Kelpo and Satish Kelpo. So two brothers that Joran liked to hang out with. They sound 158 00:15:06,860 --> 00:15:12,360 like rappers. Don't they though? Yeah. They just happened to be standing out in the driveway 159 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:18,780 with the police who were interviewing Joran's father. Kelpo, his brother and Joran were 160 00:15:18,780 --> 00:15:24,020 all seen leaving with Natalie the night she disappeared on that footage. So the three 161 00:15:24,020 --> 00:15:29,120 of them were together. Other contradicting stories indicated that Vander Sloat admitted 162 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:34,080 that he had left the bar with Natalie and the Kelpo brothers to drive to a lighthouse 163 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:40,180 before arriving at the Holiday Inn. So conflicting stories are pretty much saying, yeah, I just 164 00:15:40,180 --> 00:15:45,560 dropped her off at the hotel. No, we went to look at a lighthouse first. So already 165 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:50,560 he can't get his story straight. And along the way, Joran proceeded to disclose little 166 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:55,720 tidbits of information about the last time that he saw Natalie, such as when he dropped 167 00:15:55,720 --> 00:16:02,480 her off near some security guards by the Holiday Inn. They had no recollection of any security 168 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:09,140 guards seeing Natalie being dropped off that night. The footage that I saw on this manhunter 169 00:16:09,140 --> 00:16:15,480 show was basically saying that she was dropped at the steps of the hotel and that was it. 170 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:22,200 Now on day two of the hunt for Natalie Holloway, her mother, Beth, attempted to file a missing 171 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:27,260 persons report with the local police in Aruba. Much like the US, she was told that it was 172 00:16:27,260 --> 00:16:33,640 just too soon. Don't worry. Natalie is just off doing her thing. She's 18. She's an adult. 173 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:39,600 She'll show up, right? However, Beth in local residents immediately started a search party 174 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:45,800 and even the local government was letting everyone take off work to join in on the search. 175 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:50,000 I think that's pretty good. I guess part of it probably is they didn't want the negative 176 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:57,080 publicity, right? Yes, exactly. Interestingly, a group of Alabama supporters also showed 177 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:03,520 up not only to join in the search, but they began harassing Joran Vander Smote. You know, 178 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:08,940 they got the word out. There's enough evidence, I'm sure that Beth relayed as far as the footage 179 00:17:08,940 --> 00:17:14,000 that she found on the camera. She's a little bulldog, isn't she? She's like a little, 180 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:18,760 she's her own little sleuth. The local government televised that they did not want this group 181 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:25,080 from Alabama to come in and do their cowboy thing and said that they, the local government, 182 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:30,800 would be in charge of this investigation. Police continued on day four to pull footage 183 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:36,420 from surrounding surveillance tapes. Everything that Joran said happened, like when he dropped 184 00:17:36,420 --> 00:17:43,320 Natalie off actually did not happen. So they took his story and they probably went on the 185 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:48,560 path of where he said he was going to be. And none of the camera footage showed what 186 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:54,120 he said happened. By day four, Beth had the news media covering every bit of this story. 187 00:17:54,120 --> 00:18:00,120 I remember personally 2005, I don't even remember what I was doing in 2005, but I do remember 188 00:18:00,120 --> 00:18:06,880 this being heavy in the news at that time. So by day 10, the three suspects, Joran, 189 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:12,560 VanderSmoe, and the two brothers, the Kelpo brothers, were all arrested based on the evidence 190 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:18,280 that was presented in this case so far. Beth stated that these three guys had 10 days to 191 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:24,000 lawyer up and corroborate stories to cover each other's butts and clean up any evidence 192 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:29,860 that they still had laying around. I disagree. I think that these kids lawyered up the moment 193 00:18:29,860 --> 00:18:37,280 daddy found out something was going on. And they could have all been in cahoots. Oh yes. 194 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:41,360 I think we've talked about this before. I mean, you know, we don't know what it's like 195 00:18:41,360 --> 00:18:46,240 to be in that situation if our children were put into this position, but parents can be 196 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:51,720 protective, right? Yes, very. And then if he is already like in that line of work as 197 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:56,440 far as being a lawyer, you know darn well he was giving some advice pretty quickly. 198 00:18:56,440 --> 00:19:02,640 Now this is somewhere around that 10 day period. Joran and the Kelpo brother stories changed 199 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:08,400 from dropping Natalie off with the security guards to dropping her off at the beach. Okay. 200 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:17,160 Why would local residents drop a single female tourist off at the beach all by herself? That 201 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:23,400 makes no sense. It doesn't. And I don't believe something like that would happen, especially 202 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:30,840 knowing their own area and what crime rates are and somebody from another country coming 203 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:35,800 into a foreign country. That just does not make sense at all. Yeah. You would think if 204 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:40,080 they drove her away, you would think they would definitely bring her back to safety 205 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:45,120 in her hotel because they knew that where she was at. Exactly. In the meantime, Beth 206 00:19:45,120 --> 00:19:51,240 did not give up and showed up at Joran's house with prayer cards because what was happening 207 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:57,840 is Joran's dad did start protecting his son pretty avidly and he would not let the news 208 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:05,080 media come talk to them. He was telling everybody to go away. Well, Beth abided, I suppose by 209 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:10,560 any local laws or local rules, she didn't harass him. She just came up. I don't know 210 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:16,080 if you would consider, I suppose you can't consider the roadway to be his personal property. 211 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:20,080 So if she comes up to the driveway and just starts handing out prayer cards, I mean, is 212 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:26,760 that harassment? Not if she's not on his property. Yeah. But she did begin getting some kick 213 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:31,720 back from the local community because at that point, now this is only day 10. I mean, she 214 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:37,600 was on the news. She was out searching. She had her search party. She had her Alabama 215 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:42,840 search party and she just had everybody standing behind her. But the local community was getting 216 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:47,380 a little tired of it and basically told her she was beginning to overstay her welcome. 217 00:20:47,380 --> 00:20:52,800 It didn't slow her down though, because from sunup to sundown, Beth got on every news station 218 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:59,460 that was available to her. And this story did in fact become a news sensation. Like 219 00:20:59,460 --> 00:21:04,680 I said, I have, I remember it just every day. There was something on the news about Natalie's 220 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:11,920 disappearance. So did you, did you get that on your news too? Wow. So it was international. 221 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:17,640 Yes. Now the Alabama group got a little bit in trouble for accusing the young guys. It 222 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:22,640 would be VanderSloh and his two friends of being criminals. So they did get in a little 223 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:26,720 bit of trouble for causing slander, but in the whole scheme of things, they literally 224 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:30,940 said on video, we don't care. We are going to harass these people until they give us 225 00:21:30,940 --> 00:21:36,720 the information that we're looking for, because it is too fishy. These circumstances are not 226 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:41,320 believable and you're going to give us the information whether you want to or not. Soon 227 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:46,880 after two of the three suspects were released, both of the Calpo brothers were set free, 228 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:53,360 but VanderSloh continued to be held for another 69 days. Although there was no real reason 229 00:21:53,360 --> 00:21:59,000 being given by the judge as to why Yorn was still being held. Now the reason that two 230 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:03,760 brothers were released is because the local police said there was not really a whole lot 231 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:08,760 that they could go on. They needed to clarify and investigate and simply they didn't have 232 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:14,560 enough to hold the suspects. As I said earlier, the local residents began to turn on Beth 233 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:19,400 and everyone that was searching for Natalie. And basically the locals thought that authorities 234 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:25,400 were doing everything that they could to locate Natalie and Beth and her party were disrupting 235 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:32,200 their daily lifestyle. By August of 2005, Hurricane Katrina came to the United States 236 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:36,640 and it hit the New Orleans area, pretty much took over the entire news networks at this 237 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:43,240 point. Natalie had been missing since May 30th and just a few months later, something 238 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:48,400 bigger, something better came along. Natalie is still in the news, but the news networks 239 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:55,120 shifted everything. Now the hurricane itself really did some damage, some devastation in 240 00:22:55,120 --> 00:23:00,080 the New Orleans area. So I can see how that maybe pushed everything else to the back burner. 241 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:04,960 And so Natalie's disappearance, that story was certainly put on that back burner and 242 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:10,600 eventually other news stories of other high profile cases of missing women also came into 243 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:16,920 play. And so Natalie's story just moved on and went away and Beth Twitty was left to 244 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:22,160 deal with this just on her own. Now I don't want you to think that a Rubin government 245 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:26,640 was not doing their job because they certainly were. They were trying to get as much information 246 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,580 that they could from the suspects, whatever they do in their investigations, they were 247 00:23:30,580 --> 00:23:35,860 certainly doing what they needed to do. And much of this case seemed to be caught up in 248 00:23:35,860 --> 00:23:41,740 bureaucratic red tape and the local government had in fact conducted a thorough investigation 249 00:23:41,740 --> 00:23:46,440 of the case. So they were doing their job according to whatever standards they go by. 250 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:52,360 I mean, every country is different. On July 26th of 2005, the authorities even drained 251 00:23:52,360 --> 00:23:58,280 a pond across from the Marriott hotel based on a tip. So they were trying very hard to 252 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:06,800 look at all avenues to see nothing left unturned, right? Yes. And then on September 3rd, 2005, 253 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:12,760 although the Kelpo brothers were re-arrested, all three suspects, including Vander Smoat, 254 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:18,480 were released on the condition that they remain accessible to police throughout the investigation 255 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:25,560 of Natalie Holloway's disappearance. On February 16th of 2006, both Yoran Vander Smoat and 256 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:31,960 his father were both served with civil lawsuits in New York city, which was filed with the 257 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:38,800 Supreme court and accused Yoran of malicious, wanton and willful disregard of the rights, 258 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:44,200 safety and wellbeing of Natalie Holloway. Beth Twitty, you go, you be that bulldog mother 259 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:51,680 and you do what you've got to do to get this guy to confess. Yeah, go Beth. Now these allegations 260 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:57,480 also included Yoran's father because they accused him of enabling his son's predatory 261 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:03,080 behavior. It wasn't very specific on what they were saying. There wasn't a ton in the 262 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:08,840 news as far as how much he protected his son, but they just brought a case against him for 263 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:15,680 enabling predatory behavior on Yoran's behalf. The suit, unfortunately, was later dismissed 264 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:20,640 with a local judge who determined that local taxpayers would only have a short-term interest 265 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:25,720 in this case. And that's why he dismissed it. Again, you have Hurricane Katrina and 266 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:30,680 a couple other big stories that come out. And so he's making his judgment based on the 267 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:38,040 fact that, okay, well that was yesterday's news. Well, on December 14th, 2006, Beth and 268 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:43,880 her ex-husband, Dave Holloway filed a wrongful death lawsuit in the Los Angeles Supreme court 269 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:50,480 against the Calpo brothers. This case was eventually dismissed on June 1st of 2007 due 270 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:55,000 to the lack of jurisdiction. So I kind of wondered that too. I don't know, because it's 271 00:25:55,000 --> 00:26:01,400 international, I was kind of wondering why Beth Twitty would be able to file a lawsuit 272 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:07,280 in New York City and then take it all the way to the Supreme court in Los Angeles. I 273 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:11,680 don't know the international laws, but I'm sure that's probably got something to do with 274 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:16,440 it. She was able to file something as far as international laws. All right. So there 275 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:23,680 is a pretty well-known journalist by the name of Greta Van Sesteren. Well, she interviewed 276 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:31,040 Yorin between March 1st and March 3rd of 2006. And then again, on November 24th, 2008. So 277 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:35,600 a couple years went by, I did see the second interview and actually went out to find the 278 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:41,640 first interview. The first interview was not very informative whatsoever. Yorin's getting 279 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:47,360 on the news, but he's really talking in circles like he had been this whole time. But the 280 00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:51,380 second interview, I think I'll be getting into that in just a minute. But Greta really 281 00:26:51,380 --> 00:26:56,200 was saying, come on now, if you want us to even look up this case, you have got to tell 282 00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:01,640 us the truth because my company is going to want travel expense reports. And you know, 283 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,880 we're a reputable company, so we need to make sure that we are reporting the news the right 284 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:11,480 way. Right. And he was still walking in circles, talking in circles. So during the earlier 285 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:18,640 interview back in March of 2006, Yorin gave a timeline of his evening in the casinos and 286 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:23,280 then with meeting up with Natalie, he spent a lot of time talking during this interview 287 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:28,960 about his gambling and his interactions with Natalie on the dance floor. Then how he left 288 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:33,960 with Natalie as the bar was closing down. But it was not during this interview, but 289 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:38,840 later when Yorin stated that he left Natalie alone on the beach. So he's talking about 290 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:46,360 dancing at the club, made no mention in 2006 that he left Natalie alone, but in the 2008 291 00:27:46,360 --> 00:27:52,320 interview he did. So still he can't get his story straight. During the interviews in November 292 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:59,720 of 2008, Greta brought up a microchip that allegedly held a taped telephone conversation 293 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:05,600 between Yorin and his dad talking about Natalie's disappearance. So this is where I was saying 294 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:11,200 that Greta was like, come on now, Yorin, you've got to understand. I mean, we need some legitimate 295 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:17,400 information if you want us to continue on. Authenticity of the tape conversation was 296 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:21,680 believed to be pretty questionable. We've had some experts review it and they're saying 297 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:28,520 that it's not an up and up. Yorin at the time stated that he was approached by a guy that 298 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:34,280 he had played blackjack with at the casinos who said that he wanted a blonde girl. Without 299 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:41,840 saying sex trafficking, he was implying during this 2008 interview, he was approached by 300 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:48,600 somebody in that casino that night who was looking specifically for a blonde girl. And 301 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:55,200 if you have not seen the picture of Natalie Holloway, she is the most delightful, beautiful 302 00:28:55,200 --> 00:29:03,160 blonde haired girl from Alabama. And so it sounds to me like Yorin all of a sudden thinks, 303 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:08,760 okay, I've got the perfect one for you. He also stated that he was offered $10,000 to 304 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:15,520 bring this guy a blonde girl. Well, he never mentioned the guy's name. And so as the interview 305 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:22,760 went on, Yorin was very hesitant to provide any more details. But Greta being the investigative 306 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:28,920 reporter that she is, continuously called his bluff. I love it because I did watch every 307 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:34,600 single one of these interviews and she was not letting him off easy. And she did get 308 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:41,080 Yorin to open up a little bit about taking Natalie to this mystery guy. But if he's changing 309 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:47,880 his story again to taking a blonde girl to a guy who's looking specifically for a female 310 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:53,060 and he's implying sex trafficking, why did he not have charges brought up against him 311 00:29:53,060 --> 00:29:59,780 for that? Very true. The whole thing just doesn't make sense, does it? I don't understand 312 00:29:59,780 --> 00:30:03,560 why he was not arrested or at least questioned for that, right? I mean, especially if he's 313 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:10,880 got all these videos on tape and he's being interviewed on the record. I did not see anything 314 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:16,840 that he was pulled in for questioning about that. As the interview went on, Yorin brought 315 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:23,720 his father and some police officers into the ordeal and said that all sorts of money exchanges 316 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:28,020 occurred. And the interview ended with Yorin saying that every bit of the interview with 317 00:30:28,020 --> 00:30:36,080 Greta was a lie. He sat there with Greta for a couple hours interviewing with her. And 318 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:41,520 when it was all said and done, guess what? He stands up and says, yeah, every bit of 319 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:46,360 this was a lie. He took it all back. Knowing Greta, she didn't handle that well. She's 320 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:52,240 a pit bull. Yeah. And then basically nothing that comes out of his mouth is the truth anyway. 321 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:58,120 I mean, he has been leading the public on a wild goose chase this entire time since Natalie 322 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:05,240 disappeared. Also in 2008, a reporter secretly recorded VanderSloot saying that Natalie collapsed 323 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:11,040 on the beach and simply couldn't be revived. So his buddies took her out to a boat and 324 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:17,640 dumped Natalie in the ocean. But here we go again. Once Yorin discovered that he was being 325 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:24,880 recorded, he said he made the whole story up. And in 2010, Yorin's attorney contacted 326 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:31,400 Natalie's mother, Beth, and said that he would disclose the location of where he dumped Natalie 327 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:40,960 if she would pay him $25,000. That's ridiculous. Is that not a confession right there? Yeah. 328 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:46,640 And I think it just goes to show you his mentality level. That's insane. And then again, where 329 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:52,640 are the authorities in all this? He's being interviewed on national news on the record. 330 00:31:52,640 --> 00:32:00,240 And he's basically at this point in time, blackmailing Beth to give him $25,000 so that 331 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:06,240 he can show her where he dumped the body. Where's the authorities? Where's the Aruban authorities 332 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:11,520 in all this? I just don't want to look after the case. No, I guess not at this point in 333 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:17,440 time. And again, publicity, right? Nobody wants negative publicity in a in a highly sought 334 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:25,360 after vacation spot, right? Right. Well, eventually in May of 2010, Yorin slipped away to Peru. 335 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:31,560 And as time went on, authorities from Aruba and the United States, specifically the FBI, 336 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:37,560 stated that they simply did not have enough evidence to convict Yorin in Natalie's disappearance. 337 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:42,900 And these lags in time eventually allowed Yorin to slip away to Peru, like I just mentioned. 338 00:32:42,900 --> 00:32:48,820 And he quickly became the subject of an international manhunt. I'm going to go into a completely 339 00:32:48,820 --> 00:32:54,740 different story now because this person also deserves to have her story told. Yorin really 340 00:32:54,740 --> 00:33:01,120 did not stop with Natalie because exactly five years to the day that Natalie Holloway 341 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:09,080 disappeared on May 30th of 2005, Yorin was brought in and interrogated on the suspicion 342 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:16,780 of the murder of a young lady named Stephanie Flores. Stephanie is the daughter of a former 343 00:33:16,780 --> 00:33:23,480 race car driver and Peruvian presidential candidate who went missing exactly five years to the 344 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:28,440 day that Natalie went missing. And tips started pouring in to say that Stephanie had been 345 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:35,760 seen, sounds familiar, at a local casino where Yorin later confessed of picking her up at 346 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:42,440 that casino in Lima, Peru. In videos of Stephanie sitting with a young man, just like Natalie 347 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:49,480 was, was she was also found leaving the casino where these videotapes were released to the 348 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:55,080 media. So it's very similar situation. You've got these young ladies leaving with the same 349 00:33:55,080 --> 00:34:03,480 man. And in both cases, the person identified in these videotapes was Yorin VanderSloot. 350 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:10,680 So on June 2nd of 2010, Stephanie was found deceased in her hotel room. Yorin VanderSloot 351 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:16,720 was recorded on video renting the room when Stephanie was found. He was basically picking 352 00:34:16,720 --> 00:34:21,080 up the keys. I mean, again, this is all on one of those, one of those shows I was watching, 353 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:26,320 but he was seen with the keys and then she was seen following him to go up to the room. 354 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:32,480 And she was later discovered dead laying in a fetal position. Oh, sad. I know. Okay. So 355 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:39,480 I can assume if she were in that position, was she trying to protect herself? Yes. Evidence 356 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:45,400 from the crime scene suggested that Stephanie tried desperately to defend herself. Investigators 357 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:49,760 initially felt that Stephanie was stabbed to death due to the amount of blood that was 358 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:54,400 found at the scene. However, the autopsy showed that she was beaten to death with a tennis 359 00:34:54,400 --> 00:35:00,320 racket. Oh, so I guess that would be why she was in the fetal position. Now Yorin's DNA 360 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:06,520 was found at the scene with his fingerprints, cigarette butts, and drink cups inside that 361 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:12,680 room. And he was also seen leaving the hotel room and he returned later with a coffee cup 362 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:16,400 in his hands, actually a couple of coffee cups. Now he's pretty brilliant because you 363 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:20,720 know, he's always one step ahead of everybody, right? Right. When he left the hotel room 364 00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:26,640 and returned with the coffee cups in his hands, he had one for him and one for Stephanie. 365 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:32,680 Well, he feigned that he got locked out of his room. So one of the hotel employees came 366 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:39,200 to help him and let him in. And what Yorin was hoping for was that the employee would 367 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:44,920 open the door and walk in to discover the scene. So that's why he left. He was trying 368 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:49,920 to make an alibi for himself. Oh, I just ran and get coffee. And this is what's happened 369 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:55,080 since I left for coffee and now I'm back. Timeline wouldn't fit. Yeah, that's true. 370 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,280 I mean, in the whole scheme of things, if you're doing all the forensics on that, the 371 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:02,640 timeline, I'm sure would catch up with them too, right? Now it didn't go as planned for 372 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:07,280 him though, because what happened, and you can see it in the video, was that the employee 373 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:12,440 simply just unlocked the door and then pushed it open just to crack and let Yorin in. So 374 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:18,000 Yorin was the one to walk in. So he went in and did not come out saying, oh no, something 375 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:24,720 has happened to my guest here. He was in there for 15 minutes and 15 minutes later he was 376 00:36:24,720 --> 00:36:29,120 found leaving the hotel room again. He had a backpack on his back. He's looking around 377 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:37,040 and nobody's in the hallway and out he goes. Now on September 27th of 2011, Yorin's confession 378 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:43,480 of Stephanie Flores' murder was televised on CNN. He had admitted that the two of them 379 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:50,480 had met in a casino and he invited Stephanie up to his hotel room. However, when Yorin 380 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:57,080 was probably in the bathroom outside of the room, Stephanie got on Yorin's laptop and 381 00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:02,720 started looking up Natalie Holloway's disappearance. She may have recognized him from that case 382 00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:08,920 or even the name. If he even said what his name was, then she got suspicious. And so 383 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:14,300 she started looking him up on his computer while he was in the other room. And then basically 384 00:37:14,300 --> 00:37:18,720 he said that's where he lost control from that point forward. And that's when he took 385 00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:24,200 the tennis racket to her. Oh, for goodness sakes. Yorin was eventually sent to trial 386 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:30,200 and once he was captured, he did confess to the murder of Stephanie Flores and what led 387 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:36,080 up to her attack. Yorin stated that when they got into a heated discussion where Stephanie 388 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:41,720 grabbed his computer inside the hotel room, she did begin looking up his name on the internet 389 00:37:41,720 --> 00:37:47,040 and Yorin felt that his privacy was being intruded upon. So he grabbed Stephanie and 390 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:51,760 just started hitting her. Authorities were able to successfully document pretty much 391 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:57,400 everything that led up to Yorin's capture, including physical evidence and DNA. Yorin 392 00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:02,920 was convicted of Stephanie's murder and is currently serving a 28 year sentence in Peru 393 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:08,200 for her death. He openly admitted that the reason he killed her was because she allegedly 394 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:13,680 uncovered information on Vander Slope and his connections with the disappearance of 395 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:19,900 Natalie Holloway, always the upstanding citizen. Yorin was accused of drug smuggling inside 396 00:38:19,900 --> 00:38:26,140 the Peruvian prison system and prosecutors demanded another 18 years and four months 397 00:38:26,140 --> 00:38:31,720 time to be added to his sentence. And take a guess Beth on how he smuggled drugs into 398 00:38:31,720 --> 00:38:36,360 the system. You know, we, we know that a lot of that's going around, right? Take a guess. 399 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:41,040 Think about it though. You got people coming in, visitors, any other ways that people could 400 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:48,600 smuggle? Swallowing it? Yeah, that too. Nope. He smuggled drugs in with red beats. Red beats? 401 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:53,120 It probably came through, I don't know. Have you ever seen Orange is the New Black? Yes. 402 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:59,220 And you had some of the, some of the inmates are assigned to working in the kitchen. Yes. 403 00:38:59,220 --> 00:39:04,120 So they are the ones that are assigning for deliveries. I'm assuming that's probably how 404 00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:08,020 he did it. I don't know though, red beats, they're hard. How do you get them in with 405 00:39:08,020 --> 00:39:13,520 red beats? Well, his whole story doesn't make sense. So of course he'd use red beats. Yeah, 406 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:17,840 that's so true. Goodness. All right. I, you know, I really hate reporting these things, 407 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:22,360 but always a happy ending because we all deserve love. You know what I'm about to say, don't 408 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:31,480 you? Yep. Yorin got married while he was in prison in 2014. He gets. His new wife, it's 409 00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:40,440 spelled L E I D I, but you pronounce it lady. So Lady Figaro met Yorin while visiting another 410 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:46,700 inmate and ended up marrying him. So that's nice. They locked eyes across the visitation 411 00:39:46,700 --> 00:39:52,820 room and that's all she wrote. Lady and Yorin eventually had an unsupervised visit where 412 00:39:52,820 --> 00:39:57,760 she became pregnant with Yorin's child. And now they have a daughter together. Isn't that 413 00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:06,080 nice? That's crazy. Yeah. So again, are they paying people off to turn their back to visitation? 414 00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:10,200 I'm not sure how that works. It's another country. You suspect what? That they were 415 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:15,720 being paid off by guards. Yeah, probably so. But then again, that's another country and 416 00:40:15,720 --> 00:40:21,320 they have different rules than us. So now he is Yorin is scheduled to be released in 417 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:28,820 2038 where he will be 51 years old. So that's where he sits today, bringing in drugs in 418 00:40:28,820 --> 00:40:34,600 red beats and having unsupervised visits. All right. I just wanted to touch back on 419 00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:40,760 Natalie Holloway's mother, Beth, because it's a bittersweet ending for her. Now she has 420 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:46,760 actually come a long way. She went on to have a show about missing and it might be on the 421 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:51,920 ID channel. I'm not sure where it's at. I've seen it maybe once or twice, but she's still 422 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:58,400 an advocate for her daughter as well. I'm sure I would be as well. So in 2019, Beth 423 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:04,560 Twitty did revisit the Island of Aruba and openly admitted that she no longer felt tethered 424 00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:10,700 to the Island. So that's at least a plus. I mean, time does heal wounds, but she doesn't 425 00:41:10,700 --> 00:41:15,280 feel like it's just, you know, it's holding on to her as much as it did in the past. On 426 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:22,240 December 18th of 2007, Aruban authorities had closed the Natalie Holloway case without 427 00:41:22,240 --> 00:41:28,040 charging anyone with a crime. And Natalie was declared legally dead on January 12th 428 00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:34,920 of 2012. Her case remains unsolved. Well, just as an interest about that Holloway, she 429 00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:41,760 was an American speech pathologist and motivational speaker. She became widely known in this case 430 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:48,320 when her daughter disappeared in Aruba in 2005. I would imagine being a motivational 431 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:54,560 speaker. She has a lot of firsthand knowledge. Oh yeah. And she is very well spoken to. I 432 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:58,520 have seen, you know, over the last week or so, I've really tried to look up as much as 433 00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:06,540 I could. And she is so well versed. She is just a strong woman. And I don't know how 434 00:42:06,540 --> 00:42:11,520 she's been able to survive this, but she is definitely, I mean, she is a motivating person 435 00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:16,880 to me too, because she wouldn't take no for an answer. So even though she doesn't have 436 00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:22,560 closure on this, I just hope that she will one day. And I hope that Yorin, I don't know 437 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:28,640 if he ever would at this point, he's still pretty young and you never know that he might 438 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:33,120 have a life-changing moment where he will finally tell her the truth. Yeah, that would 439 00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:38,240 be nice. Well, that is our story on Natalie Holloway. What else do you want to talk about 440 00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:43,000 anything? Yes, I do. When we talked about putting the podcast together, we discovered 441 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:47,760 that you and I have some different interests. So I'm going to take us back to the 1800s. 442 00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:54,080 Ooh, but you can end with your teachable moment. Teachable moment. I might have to find some 443 00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:59,000 music for the teachable moment segment. It's the teachable moment segment of Dying to Be 444 00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:04,040 Found. You all, if you have a child whose birthday falls on or around the Christmas 445 00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:09,800 holiday, be sure to wrap a present with birthday paper under the tree and put it with the rest 446 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:16,960 of them. So, all right. Well, with that being said, we are done with this episode. And that's 447 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:23,040 a wrap. I love it. Thanks for joining us and we hope to talk with you next week. In the 448 00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:29,960 meantime, please visit us at dyingtobefound.com, just like you see on our logo. And that will 449 00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:35,260 take you to all of our social medias. We hope that you will follow us and listen to our 450 00:43:35,260 --> 00:43:39,960 podcasts and rate us, share it and tell your friends. Until next week, we'll talk to you 451 00:43:39,960 --> 00:44:00,960 soon. Bye. 452 00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:11,960 .