1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,840 Hi everyone, this is Deb from Dying to be Found. Before we get started today, I just 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:10,320 wanted to mention that episodes contain disturbing discussions on harmful acts and crimes against 3 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:15,900 animals and or humankind. Recordings are not intended for young or sensitive audiences 4 00:00:15,900 --> 00:00:42,360 due to the content nature of this podcast. Listener discretion is strongly advised. 5 00:00:45,900 --> 00:00:52,240 Hey, Shelbs. Hi, how are you today? I'm good. How are you? I'm good. I'm excited that you're 6 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:58,320 here today. It's always nice to catch up with you on video. I know. So hello everyone. I'm 7 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:05,240 Deb. I'm Shelby. And Beth is off doing her thing again. So when she's not available, 8 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:10,240 I always try to pull my daughter in and she did a great job last time. So we thought we'd 9 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:15,920 give her another try. Yes, I had fun. Oh, hey, before we get started, we were talking 10 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:20,800 about teachable moments and things like that. So what did you want to share about teachable 11 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:27,560 moments? That raising children is hard. And like you said earlier, there is no manual. 12 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:33,680 There is no manual. Do you find it easier between the first and second child? Yes, they're 13 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:40,560 so different. You know, with the older one, she's very, very smart. I feel like she kind 14 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:46,800 of has an old soul. And so you tell her something one time and she just soaks it in. And you 15 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:51,040 know, if you tell her, don't do something, then she's not going to do it. But with the 16 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:58,120 younger one, it's the complete opposite. Yep. You can't compare apples and oranges for sure. 17 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:04,480 Well, not at all. So we're trying to teach about love and you know, how you want to treat 18 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:09,320 people. We just, yes, just trying to teach them how to be respectful to others and you 19 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:14,840 know, the right and wrong way to kind of go about speaking to people. Speaking and treating. 20 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:19,440 Yes, speaking and treating people. That's a great segue into what we're talking about 21 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:25,320 today because this story has nothing to do with that golden rule. That's for sure. So, 22 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:31,480 okay. You ready to talk about this story? I am. It's a lot different than what we talked 23 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:36,760 about last time. It is very different from the last time. And I'm going to give a couple 24 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:42,440 disclosures. I always put that disclaimer at the beginning of the show, but I do want 25 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:47,880 to give a disclaimer that there is a lot of violence in this episode. And then also I 26 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:52,520 wanted to go over a couple of pronunciations. I know I'm going to mess up, but we're going 27 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:59,080 to be talking today about a woman named, I'm going to say Ellison Botha to start off with, 28 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:03,440 because I'm sure that's how most Americans would pronounce this, but Ellison is actually 29 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:09,300 from South Africa. With that, we know pronunciations are a little bit different. I was not able 30 00:03:09,300 --> 00:03:14,960 to see how to pronounce her last name on any of the sites that I went to or any of the 31 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:22,160 references, but I did see in one or two areas that there's a couple different ways to pronounce 32 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:29,200 her last name, which is Boito or Bo-ta. And it's spelled B-O-T-H-A if anybody wants to 33 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:34,720 go look that up. And I'll certainly put some links into our show notes. So I wanted to 34 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:40,600 at least give you guys that, that we're talking about Ellison Botha today. And there is quite 35 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:46,360 a lot of disturbing content if you want to skip this episode for sure, but please come 36 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:47,760 back to us next time. So- 37 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:54,200 Yes. And if anybody does figure out the correct South African pronunciation, shoot it to us 38 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:55,760 in an email. 39 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:58,240 Absolutely. Here we go. You ready? 40 00:03:58,240 --> 00:03:59,240 Ready. 41 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:07,440 So Ellison Botha was born on September 22nd, 1967 in Port Elizabeth, South Africa. She 42 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:12,440 was brought up in a home with her single mother and her older brother, Neil, after her parents 43 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:21,000 divorced when Ellison was 10 years old. On December 18th of 1994, Ellison's life changed, 44 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:25,200 not for the best, but it pretty much changed her life forever. And at that time she was 45 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:31,320 27 years old. And before I get into the details, I do want to start off shelves by telling 46 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:38,720 you that Ellison in my, for lack of better terms, is a complete badass in this entire 47 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:45,600 situation. She is the poster, I don't want to say poster child. She's a complete image 48 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:54,240 of survivors and strong women. So I just, I mean, I'm excited to tell you her tale just 49 00:04:54,240 --> 00:05:00,080 from the fact that she's so strong. I'm not excited. Yeah. I don't want to really, I'm 50 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:04,040 not going to say I'm excited to tell you the details, but where she is today because of 51 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:09,920 everything that happened to her in her life at this point is absolutely amazing. I do 52 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:16,560 want to give a spoiler alert. Ellison did fall victim to some attackers. And so she 53 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:22,040 is very vocal about her own carelessness in the situation and what happened. I'm going 54 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:27,800 to say it's not really her fault. I don't know how you are. Do you pay attention to 55 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:32,720 your surroundings when you're out and about? Oh, all the time, all the time, whether I'm 56 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:39,080 in parking lots, grocery stores, it does not matter. I love true crime. And so just from 57 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:43,380 that, I've kind of learned to be very aware of my surroundings. You never know in this 58 00:05:43,380 --> 00:05:48,440 world and I'm teaching my daughters to be the same way. Good. I hope I taught you that 59 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:54,880 when you were growing up. Good. Because really what happened is that she was just doing her 60 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:59,720 thing and basically somebody came out of nowhere, which I'll get into, but Ellison does take 61 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:05,680 ownership of some of the events that led up to her attack. And she's now a public speaker 62 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:10,960 and an advocate for victims and also considers the fact that she does go out to publicly 63 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:17,300 speak about what happened to her is a healing moment for herself, but it's a teachable moment 64 00:06:17,300 --> 00:06:20,960 for others. And we were just talking about teachable moments. 65 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:27,440 Allison wrote a book called I have life. And she also has a documentary that I watched. 66 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:31,340 And this is actually one of the things that I was really interested in when I first started 67 00:06:31,340 --> 00:06:36,200 thinking about doing a podcast. This was definitely at the top of my list. So anybody who has 68 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:42,040 Amazon prime, there is a movie called Allison out there and I highly recommend that you 69 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:47,760 watch it. It is from multiple people's points of view. It's from Allison's. She's actually 70 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:53,800 the narrator in that movie. And she brings in the people that from the hospital system 71 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:59,520 that helped to care for her when she was brought into the hospital. It's just an amazing video 72 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:03,180 that you need to watch. And I feel like it's only about an hour or so. So it doesn't take 73 00:07:03,180 --> 00:07:07,760 up a lot of time. I'm going to have to kick the family out of the room. Yeah. Or put your 74 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:11,840 earbuds in, put your earbuds in and look at your tablet. That's what I do. You can also 75 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:18,120 find an interview out there on YouTube called Allison both as incredible survival story. 76 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:23,040 When I was researching this, I just was trying to look past just the prime video. So I was 77 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:26,200 looking out there on the internet to see if there's anything else I found. And I found 78 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:33,360 a really good YouTube video where Allison was being interviewed by news media on a storyline, 79 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:36,160 probably like, you know, first thing in the morning when people get up and watch those 80 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:43,440 new shows. Anyway, Allison is, like I said, she is a bad ass and I'm sure she is one of 81 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:49,480 the strongest people I've ever gotten to know through media and such as that because of 82 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:54,640 how she survived and how she refuses to play the victim and all of this. And during one 83 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:59,480 interview, Allison was asked how she dealt with the aftermath of this traumatic event. 84 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:04,680 Yes, I am leading up to some traumatic events. So this is my teaser for you today. I want 85 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:09,760 you to keep on listening. Allison said that although she initially suffered from depression, 86 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:15,480 as would most people in the situation, one day she just asked herself or said to herself 87 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:22,720 on the night of this attack, I had to choose between life or death and I chose life. My 88 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:27,520 attackers already had their moment, but they don't have power over me now. I mean, that 89 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:32,960 is such, yeah, I know I've got goosebumps too. So I'm going to go ahead and start into 90 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:41,860 this attack. Allison arrived home at 1am one night in December on December 18th of 1994 91 00:08:41,860 --> 00:08:46,560 just after spending the night out with her friends. Earlier in the evening, Allison and 92 00:08:46,560 --> 00:08:51,640 her friends spent the day at the beach and eventually ended up back at her apartment, 93 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:57,240 probably to play cards, watch some movies, just to hang out with her friends. And she 94 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:03,040 ended up having to take one of her friends home. When she drove back to her, I'm going 95 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:07,600 to call it a flat, she lives in a flat, but when Allison drove back to her flat, she was 96 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:15,240 not able to find a parking spot close to her house. Basically, if you imagine going into 97 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:21,720 a residential area like apartment buildings or houses, flats, whatever, then you always 98 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:26,200 see a bunch of cars parked at the streets, right? So that's kind of where Allison was 99 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:31,040 at. And so she couldn't find a parking spot close to her house. She ended up having to 100 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:36,720 drive a little bit further down. And of course she was able to park where she was within 101 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:42,320 walking distance of her home, but she was not as close as she usually got. As Allison 102 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:47,520 parked the car, she began collecting laundry that she had just washed at her friend's house 103 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:52,320 that she had just driven home. When a man appeared out of nowhere and put a knife to 104 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:59,080 her throat, he ordered her to move seats, which trapped her inside of the car. Just 105 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:05,440 as calm as Allison was in her documentary and interviews that I watched, she remained 106 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:12,560 calm as she was kidnapped. The guy that was in the car with her, his name was Franz Dutoy, 107 00:10:12,560 --> 00:10:17,560 who Allison stated that he originally said that his name was Clinton. So, hi, I'm Clinton. 108 00:10:17,560 --> 00:10:23,280 Can you move over please? And Dutoy initially told Allison that he just wanted her to use 109 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:28,260 her car for about an hour. And when she offered it up, plus any money that she might have 110 00:10:28,260 --> 00:10:33,760 had on her person, he did not accept. He just wanted to take her for a joy ride. Now to 111 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:39,000 make her feel at ease, he was asking Allison just small talk questions. Hey, do you have 112 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:45,160 a boyfriend? So in her words, it actually gave her a false sense of security. I don't 113 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:50,880 discredit that at all. Me personally, there's no way that I could get a sense of security 114 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:56,400 with a stranger in the car. But if he's saying that he only wants to use a car for an hour, 115 00:10:56,400 --> 00:11:00,880 then okay. I mean, what are you going to do afterwards? Are you going to just get me out 116 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:06,320 of the car and take off with it? Well, yeah, with it definitely being after one o'clock 117 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:11,920 in the morning, nothing good happens after midnight. It would not end up well for anybody. 118 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:16,160 Absolutely. I agree. I don't even remember the last, well, I'm not going to lie. I was 119 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:20,920 out till midnight the other night and I was definitely aware of my surroundings. I was 120 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:26,760 doing something for work that kept me out until 11 and 30 at night. And basically I 121 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:31,800 was with a group of people, but we all linked up like partners. So if you and I were walking 122 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:37,000 down the street, we were all linked arm and arm, at least two of us at a time. So we were 123 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:42,440 walking in single file and we were linked with arms that way. We were with a crowd of 124 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:47,920 people. So I didn't want anybody to get lost. And that aspect, I think, you know, you always 125 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:53,360 kind of have to have a plan, especially if you're by yourself at night. So as they were 126 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:59,920 driving, Alison and Franz picked up a friend later identified as Tien. Now this is one 127 00:11:59,920 --> 00:12:06,520 of those last names that I've heard. His name was Tienz, but you spell it like Kruger. You 128 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:11,960 know, if you want to make that reference to Freddy Kruger, you probably want to. So again, 129 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:15,860 I'm just going to call him Tienz because some of these names are a little bit difficult. 130 00:12:15,860 --> 00:12:21,000 So they ended up driving out to a dark bushy area in Port Elizabeth again, which is in 131 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:27,320 South Africa. And once they arrived, the two men asked if she planned to fight them. And 132 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:32,120 Alison thought, no, I mean, why would I fight you? You're like, I'm up against two guys 133 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:38,000 here. So she basically said no in a calm manner again. And then at that point in time, I will 134 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:42,320 say this is a trigger warning. You might want to skip forward a little bit. They proceeded 135 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:48,080 to molest and rape Alison one after another. And if you could compare both guys, Tien was 136 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:55,960 probably the more vicious of the two and was extremely hateful. Franz on the other hand, 137 00:12:55,960 --> 00:13:00,720 feigned himself to be a gentleman. He's the one that jumped in the car and said that his 138 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:05,380 name was Clinton, right? And he was the one trying to make small talk with her. So he's 139 00:13:05,380 --> 00:13:10,920 the one that is feigning to be a gentleman. But I'm saying that if he was out there doing 140 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:17,080 what he did to Alison, I don't think he's any better than Tien. You know what I mean? 141 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:24,560 Sure. Once they had their way with her, both guys proceeded to take terms stabbing Alison 142 00:13:24,560 --> 00:13:33,360 in the abdomen and pubic area in excess of 37 times. And gentleman like right clear or 143 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:39,280 Tien noticed that Alison's leg was moving or twitching at some point in time. He did 144 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:45,120 not feel like that was enough. So he just proceeded to cut her throat 17 times on top 145 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:50,520 of those 37 stab wounds. Alison was left to die as they drove away. She did stay in one 146 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:55,680 of the articles that the two men were determined to kill her. So they attempted to suffocate 147 00:13:55,680 --> 00:14:02,760 her as well. And she recalls that do toy said he wanted to mutilate her reproductive organs. 148 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:07,640 Although that is not the injuries that she ended up having. I mean, she had some pretty, 149 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:12,800 pretty severe injuries when it was all said and done. Now I will say this in some of the 150 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:18,760 interviews that I saw, I had, and I might get to this in just a little bit, but Alison 151 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:24,920 was attacked so severely because these two guys, they're not squeaky clean. They don't 152 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:30,000 have a good reputation and this is not their first attack. They had multiple attacks on 153 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:37,520 other women. So basically the, the women that they had previous encounters with did survive. 154 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:41,720 And at some point in time, one of them, or actually both of them were pretty much threatened. 155 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:50,000 Go to the police, right? Uh, guess what they did? What they went to the police. So they 156 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:55,320 did not heed the warnings and they went to the police. So they were already identified. 157 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:59,880 Both of these guys decided that the next person they were going to attack was not going to 158 00:14:59,880 --> 00:15:06,480 be able to live. And that next, yeah. So the next person was Alison. What was happening 159 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:14,640 after they left, Alison suffered disembowelment of her intestines. And are you aware of what 160 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:19,200 that means? I had to Google it. Yeah. For our audience, if you don't know, that is a 161 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:25,560 big word and disembowelment is basically when your intestines spill out of your body. As 162 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:31,160 she was being attacked, Alison continued to go internet of consciousness and did hear 163 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:36,000 what the two men were saying about, you know, do you think she's still alive? She played 164 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:40,400 dead so they wouldn't notice that she was still alive. She distinctly remembers the 165 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:45,800 conversation of the men asking, do you think she's dead? And while the other just said, 166 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:51,800 matter of fact, no one can survive that. Basically both guys thought the job was done. So they 167 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:59,200 went on their merry way. Wow. No, I just, I could not imagine. No. So Franz and Tien 168 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:05,520 pretty much left her to die in the out bush and Alison did fade in and out of consciousness, 169 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:11,640 but she distinctly remembers leaving her body. So you hear all these different stories of 170 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:19,080 how people are just observing themselves from up high, right? She does remember laying there 171 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:24,520 and asking herself if she wanted to live or die. And at that moment, Oh my gosh, I have 172 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:30,960 goosebumps again. Yeah, me too. Alison chose life. She also said that she had to make sure 173 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:37,640 that Franz and Tien never did this to anyone else. First, Alison wrote the names of both 174 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:43,520 men on a stone where she was left to die. So what was she, if she was writing this on 175 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:49,800 the stone, you know, she had to been using blood. And then I also saw like in the movie, 176 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:55,160 she was, she was writing their name in the sand because she was, the out bush was a sandy 177 00:16:55,160 --> 00:17:03,440 area. So she also wrote, I love mom while she's laying there. Now afterwards, Alison 178 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:08,680 willed herself to get up to try to walk. And this is what she discovered that she was disemboweled 179 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:14,960 and her intestines were spilling out from her abdomen. She quickly used her denim shirt 180 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:21,600 to hold her intestines inside. And then she started to crawl for help. Even though she 181 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:27,440 was trying to make her way back to the main road where she was coming from, she knew that 182 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:33,960 crawling was not ideal for the situation. And she willed herself to stand up and walk. 183 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:40,560 Now once she was on her feet, Alison discovered that the muscles in her neck were also severed. 184 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:47,080 So she literally had to hold her head up with one hand while holding her intestines in the 185 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:52,840 other, inside her body with the other hand. She was able to manage to get back to the 186 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:57,840 main highway. And as soon as she got there, she collapsed. So she's in the middle of the 187 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:03,720 road from what I saw. And okay, Shelbs, what would you do if you came up on a person laying 188 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:09,200 in the middle of the road? I mean, obviously stop and try and see if they're okay. Absolutely. 189 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:14,280 I would assume that I would do the same thing, even if I were by myself or at least call 190 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:23,720 911, but one car just passed by. Didn't even stop. Come on, dude. I don't get it. Maybe 191 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:27,760 it was somebody by themselves or maybe they just could not believe what they were seeing. 192 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:34,400 So they just kept going. But a second car stopped and it passed her by. His name was 193 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:41,320 also Tien, but it's spelled differently, but Tien Eilard happened to drive by and he discovered 194 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:50,120 Allison lying in the road. He ended up stopping and as luck would have it, Tien was a veterinarian. 195 00:18:50,120 --> 00:18:55,420 So although I'm sure there's a big difference between treating humans and treating animals 196 00:18:55,420 --> 00:19:00,280 as far as these severe injuries, at least he has some kind of medical training, right? 197 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:07,920 Right. Yeah. So he was able to help Allison regardless. And one article that I found said 198 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:13,600 that he used his veterinary training to tuck Allison's thyroid back into her body before 199 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:19,760 calling for help. Now, interestingly enough, Tien was interviewed in that movie on Amazon 200 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:26,160 prime and he was saying, yeah. And he was saying that the ambulance, he stayed with 201 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:32,200 her until the, he was on the phone with the emergency people that he had called and the 202 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:39,160 hospital was only 15 minutes away. It took the ambulance 40 minutes to get to her. Now, 203 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:45,040 Oh my gosh. Did they not just take it seriously? I don't think they did. Probably maybe not 204 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:52,320 so much like when the call came in, you know, how if, if you've ever heard 911 calls, the 205 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:58,000 operator tries to get as much information as they can, right? They probably thought 206 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:04,440 that her, her condition was too severe and then she'd probably never make it to the hospital 207 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:09,080 and somewhere in there too. I think Tien ended up in the ambulance ride on the way to the 208 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:13,920 hospital with them. The EMTs were basically saying, well, she's not going to live with, 209 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:18,080 I mean, she's just, she's going to expire before we even get to the hospital. So in 210 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:22,640 his opinion, they weren't even driving as fast as they should be when the hospital was 211 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:28,600 15 minutes away, right? Right. And two, I mean, this was what almost 30 years ago now 212 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:34,800 when, I mean, technology was probably way different back then. And well, once they got 213 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:40,320 to the hospital, the doctors themselves could not believe the condition that Alison was 214 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:45,160 in the movie that I watched did an amazing job. Like I said, of interviewing all the 215 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:51,760 people that tended to her and one doctor in particular, his name is Dr. David Cummins 216 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:59,320 while he was interviewed and this is 30 years later, he was still visibly upset when he 217 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:04,360 was talking about this incident years later. How do you, I mean, I wouldn't be able to 218 00:21:04,360 --> 00:21:10,360 forget seeing something, you know, that severe. No. And I'll tell you a little story. It's 219 00:21:10,360 --> 00:21:16,240 a side note. I had a little bit of a traumatic experience last year on my way to work. I'm 220 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:21,040 pretty sure I told you this one. I was coming up on an accident while I was coming up on 221 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:26,040 a light. And of course, you know, the traffic was coming to a crawl. So I called my boss 222 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:30,280 and said, Hey, I'm on my way. I should, I can, I can see the light. It looks like it's 223 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:34,320 moving pretty well. I will be there momentarily, but I just want to let you know, I'm going 224 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:39,600 to be maybe a couple of minutes late. Right. So as I'm coming up to the light, I mean, 225 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:45,800 this is nowhere near coming up onto a person like this, but I did see, I'm just going to 226 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:51,360 say a dead body in the middle of the road. Now it was covered with a sheet. And to this 227 00:21:51,360 --> 00:21:56,520 day, every time I come to that intersection, I still envision, I don't envision it every 228 00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:01,840 day of my life, but I will say like talking about it right now, very vivid. And I mean, 229 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:08,840 I was very shaken up by that. I actually had to have somebody let me go into another space 230 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:13,640 and just sit there until I cried my eyes out for this human being. And I don't even know 231 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:19,480 why I was crying. I guess I was thinking about all these things of this person had a life 232 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:24,680 30 minutes ago. This person has a family and they're going to be getting, they may not 233 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:30,160 even had known yet. Yeah, absolutely. So I would have cried. Well, yeah, I mean, and 234 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:36,360 I did, I was crying for the humanity of it, but I will say when Dr. Cummins was being 235 00:22:36,360 --> 00:22:43,560 interviewed and he was showing all those emotions so many years later, once you see something, 236 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:48,760 you, it's going to come back to you in a rush. And another doctor ended up pulling the sheets 237 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:54,640 back to show Dr. Cummins the wounds on his app on her abdomen, because he thought the 238 00:22:54,640 --> 00:23:01,140 only injuries that she had was on her neck where she was stabbed all those times. Right? 239 00:23:01,140 --> 00:23:08,160 She had those 37 stabs to her abdomen, like I said earlier, and all that caused extensive 240 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:14,680 damage to her. There was another doctor who was called to surgery and it turned out that 241 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:23,720 Dr. Cummins, I want to say he was an anesthesiologist, but the other doctor was called in to do surgery, 242 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:28,640 probably just for the neck area. And he's like, Oh no, I'm cross-trained on, and I have 243 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:33,240 the skillset to actually take care of Allison from head to foot. They brought their team 244 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:40,400 in and in all, Allison survived her injuries simply because even with the wounds to her 245 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:47,600 throat, her trachea was still intact, which gave her the ability to continue to breathe. 246 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:53,280 Now, according to Dr. Cummins had the blood vessels that supplied blood to the head and 247 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:59,920 the neck been severed, Allison would have bled out and died within three to four minutes. 248 00:23:59,920 --> 00:24:07,600 So gosh, I do remember reading that while all of that was going on, she said that, you 249 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:15,280 know, all she saw was a hand going back and forth across her head, but she was just in 250 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:21,920 no, no pain at all. It was just kind of going through the motions of it without the pain, 251 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:28,920 which certainly not a good situation, but makes me feel better for her, I guess. 252 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:35,600 Yeah. And, and that's, I think the body's way to naturally protect themselves, the adrenaline, 253 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:41,080 you know, I'm going to go on and start talking about the arrests here because like I said, 254 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:47,120 Allison was able to write their names by the crime scene. And so they already had the perpetrators 255 00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:53,000 names and once she was strong enough to talk to the authorities, she actually was able 256 00:24:53,000 --> 00:25:01,120 to identify her two attackers as Tienz Crere and Franz Duteuil. The police found that Tienz 257 00:25:01,120 --> 00:25:06,960 and Franz both committed two other attacks, like I had mentioned earlier on women before 258 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,960 this incident with Allison, and then decided she would be the one that they would kill 259 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:15,000 the next time, you know, as far as the next person that they were going to attack because 260 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:19,800 those two women didn't listen to their threats and they did go to the police. Franz and Tienz 261 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:26,480 were quickly arrested since Allison was able to write down the names of her attackers whenever 262 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,720 they showed her the pictures, she was able to identify them. 263 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:39,400 Really quick, if they had two, two women previously reporting them to the police, why weren't 264 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,280 they arrested before that? 265 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:46,840 That's a great question. Now I don't know what the timeframe is between these attacks, 266 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:51,480 but you're right. I mean, if they already identified them, then you would think, or 267 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:55,440 I'm going to say, I mean, I don't know, I would actually have to, I didn't research 268 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,240 it shelves, shame on me. 269 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:03,680 I mean, I guess, I mean, possibly something was done or they were brought in for questioning 270 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:10,240 or something because they knew that the other two women went to the police. And I'm also 271 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:18,760 questioning why was Allison maybe just randomly chosen? I wouldn't want what Allison had to 272 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:26,160 go through to happen to anybody else, but why, why would they not choose to go attack 273 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,080 one of the women that had told? 274 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:35,040 That's a great concept. And then two, like it was one o'clock at night, obviously they 275 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:41,440 were up to no good, but how could they just be in that same spot where Allison happened 276 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:46,520 to be driving up at one o'clock in the morning, you know? But you do have a good point. And 277 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:50,760 that would be interesting if anybody out there who's listening to this knows how to answer 278 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:55,860 that question. We would love to hear from you. I will say this now, Allison did identify 279 00:26:55,860 --> 00:27:01,600 her attackers. And I did mention that she pointed at pictures and identified these two 280 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:07,240 guys wrote their names down, but that wasn't good enough for the police because in South 281 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:14,200 Africa, they actually need a verbal identification. So if you're going to accuse somebody of something, 282 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:19,920 you actually verbally have to say the name. The police told Allison's doctors that the 283 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:27,880 chances of charging Franz and Tian with Allison's attack needed a verbal identification. However, 284 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:34,120 Dr. Cummins was extremely hesitant to disconnect Allison from the trachea tube that she had 285 00:27:34,120 --> 00:27:41,080 inserted all the way down through her throat, right? Because it could cause serious complications. 286 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:47,920 It could cause infections. Dr. Cummins went to Allison to talk to her about this procedure 287 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:54,960 so that she was educated. She did not hesitate. I mean, again, Allison, bad ass. She motioned 288 00:27:54,960 --> 00:28:00,240 to just get the tube out. And she, as soon as the tube was removed, Allison stated both 289 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:06,040 attackers names without hesitation. Wow. Franz was brought to the police station and told 290 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:10,920 that he was being arrested. And he was shocked to learn obviously at that time that Allison 291 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:16,100 survived because you know, they had a plan and no one was going to walk away from something 292 00:28:16,100 --> 00:28:21,720 like that. They were wrong. They were absolutely wrong. Allison was right. They were wrong. 293 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:28,400 I love it. Okay. Now once Allison was strong enough to talk to the authorities, she identified 294 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:35,440 her attackers as Tian's Claire and Franz do toy. Okay. So I'm going to talk a little bit 295 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:42,120 about the aftermath at the hospital. Allison endured ongoing surgeries and daily scrapings 296 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:49,880 of her abdomen. And that process or procedure is they had to scrape her skin until it bled 297 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:56,960 every day force new cells to grow. And she had to do this for months. Shelves. Oh my 298 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:03,760 gosh. She had multiple plastic surgeries on her neck. And although Allison admitted that 299 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:08,840 she suffered a great deal of pain, she continues to have health issues today because of the 300 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:14,160 attack, but she thanked everyone collectively who saved her life because you know, she was 301 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:19,260 again a strong individual and just did everything that she needed to do to get these people 302 00:29:19,260 --> 00:29:26,240 behind bars. Now let's move on to the trial. Allison was ordered to take a psychic evaluation 303 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:31,240 before the upcoming trial, which was scheduled about six months after her attack. And would 304 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:37,840 you like to know why she had to get a psychic evaluation? Why? Because she was not showing 305 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:43,800 any outward anger towards her attackers. Oh my gosh. I'm not going to say that she was 306 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:48,760 the one that was, you know, on trial here, but you know, I told you from the very beginning, 307 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:55,720 Allison has a very even personality. Yeah. And she, I mean, just her disposition, her 308 00:29:55,720 --> 00:30:01,960 disposition is so peaceful. She's just so peaceful. She was not, I'm the complete opposite. 309 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:08,800 If I were in that position, I am strong willed. I would want to get back at them. You are 310 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:15,160 strong willed. Not going to disagree with you there Shelves. That's just me, but yeah, 311 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:23,840 they would definitely get something coming to them verbally. Right. Yes. Yes. So she 312 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:29,200 wasn't showing outward anger, but she did admit that she was extremely angry on the 313 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:34,600 inside and all the things that she was asked to do from a legal standpoint. Let's take 314 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:40,160 the trachea tube out. I need to hear the names. Right. And then she was actually told that 315 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:47,520 she had to have those daily scrapings of her abdomen. They were documenting her healing 316 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:53,020 periods. Every time she went in, she had to get the scrapings and they would document. 317 00:30:53,020 --> 00:30:58,480 And then she would be asked for them to take pictures of that area. She said in the interview 318 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:03,940 that she had to drop her pants on a dime so that they could document how her healing process 319 00:31:03,940 --> 00:31:09,640 was coming along that so that they would have that for the trial. The court system required 320 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:16,600 the victim to physically stand in the presence of the accused. Now listen to this. She would 321 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:24,840 be required by law to place her hand on the shoulder of the person that she was accusing 322 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:30,640 because according to the South African court system for her to be physically present in 323 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:36,120 the same room and putting her hand on their shoulder, it proved that she was accusing 324 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:41,400 somebody of a crime. Can you believe that? I hope they've changed that law. They actually 325 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:47,320 did because believe it or not. Good. And they changed that law because of Alison's case. 326 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:54,560 Really? Yes. Now the police attempted a new approach during this process and they wanted 327 00:31:54,560 --> 00:32:01,040 to place the accused in front of a one way glass. Now you've seen all these crime shows 328 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:07,280 where you've got people. Yeah. You can see out, but you can't see in. Correct. So they 329 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:14,120 actually put the two accused in front of that one way glass and they had a lineup. The victim 330 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:19,680 was able to identify them that way. So I'm assuming just from the video that I watched, 331 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:25,600 they had videos of the entire thing. So Alison could be standing right there in front of 332 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:30,820 the two people that were behind her, behind that one way glass so they could not see her. 333 00:32:30,820 --> 00:32:35,240 She could see them. I mean, they had a lineup and she, without hesitation, she stood there 334 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:40,960 for just, I don't know, literally 10 seconds, looked at probably about eight or 10 people 335 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:45,920 in a lineup and said, um, they look a little bit different, but it's definitely number 336 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:53,240 this and number that. So she was able to identify her, her attackers pretty quickly. Now both 337 00:32:53,240 --> 00:33:00,360 of the attackers were later diagnosed as psychopaths and in their words, they were Satanists, both 338 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:07,160 Tiennes and Franz pled guilty to kidnapping, rape and attempted murder and were sentenced 339 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:13,000 to life in prison in August of 1995. And I had mentioned that they both identified themselves 340 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:19,280 as Satanists, but authorities highly doubted this to be true during their investigation 341 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:24,520 and incarceration, but authorities highly doubted this to be true during the investigation 342 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:31,040 and incarceration because Franz asked for a pastor to come in and have demons cast out 343 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:36,920 of him. And the person who performed an exorcism later testified in court and stated that Franz 344 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:43,600 mentioned two demons. One was Incubus and the other was Succubus. Incubus is known as 345 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:52,140 lying upon sleeping women to engage in sexual activity while Succubus is the spirit that 346 00:33:52,140 --> 00:33:58,840 tortures males. But Franz was inconsistent on their description and was discredited from 347 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:03,160 his involvement with Satanism because he was just too contradicting on whatever it was 348 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:08,820 that he said to the person coming in to exercise him. Right. Okay. So I just wanted to make 349 00:34:08,820 --> 00:34:15,200 a little notation on one of the detectives that was keeping up with both Franz and Tiennes 350 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:20,840 while they were going back and forth to court. I think he is also one of these guys like 351 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:27,320 kudos to him. His name is Melvin Humphle and he was the detective on the case during the 352 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:32,800 time, everything that went on from the beginning to the end. Now he straight up informed both 353 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:38,600 Franz and Tiennes that he was not going to handcuff them to and from the courthouse. 354 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:45,080 He had no intentions of doing that because if they ran, he'd shoot them. That's right. 355 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:50,320 Guess what? Neither of the two defendants ran. I'm going to say I, I would believe when 356 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:56,560 he had to say, but good for you Melvin for keeping that open as a food for thought. Right. 357 00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:02,480 Right. All right. Let's move on to the parole because basically we do know that both guys 358 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:11,240 were convicted. And on April 7th of 1995, Franz Dutoy was sentenced to three life terms 359 00:35:11,240 --> 00:35:18,400 with no chance of parole while Tiennes Clare was sentenced to one life term and 25 years 360 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:25,680 with no parole. On October, 2015, both of these defendants became eligible for parole. 361 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:32,040 Now the judge in this case, his name was judge Chris Janssen and he regarded both guys a 362 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:39,000 threat to society and he could impose the death penalty if he felt that it was just, 363 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:43,760 but at the time it would have been considered unconstitutional. So he was not able to impose 364 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:50,480 the death penalty, which is why the two defendants got the sentences that they were assigned 365 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:56,480 to. And he did put a note in each file, just basically saying that he regarded as both 366 00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:01,640 Franz and Tiennes as a threat to society. Now, like I mentioned, both inmates became 367 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:08,400 eligible for parole effective October of 2004, which was extremely hard on Alison who said 368 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:13,000 that she did suffer from depression because of course she's not going to want them to 369 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:18,720 get out. Right. And she stated, she stated how hard she lived to survive and that these 370 00:36:18,720 --> 00:36:24,680 guys get a chance to get out now to go amongst society again. And a woman from the United 371 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:32,280 States contacted Alison personally to ask her to help Franz get out on parole because 372 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:39,060 she was his fiance. What? Yeah. So I don't know, you know, you find these people that 373 00:36:39,060 --> 00:36:45,680 are a pen, I guess they start out as pen pals. I was thinking that's probably how it started. 374 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:51,080 Isn't that amazing? I mean, contacted her directly. One, where did she get the contact 375 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:57,080 information from? Right. Right. So Alison emailed the authorities to find out how to 376 00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:06,380 keep both guys behind bars. And in this email, she requested to keep this inquiry confidential, 377 00:37:06,380 --> 00:37:12,960 but guess what? The email was printed and given to Franz straight up printed and given 378 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:20,380 to Franz so that he could see an email from Alison saying, I really need for you to consider 379 00:37:20,380 --> 00:37:25,880 that these guys remain behind bars and who's in charge. Right. Right. Now at the making 380 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:32,720 of the documentary that I was watching, Franz also demanded a couple things from the producers 381 00:37:32,720 --> 00:37:39,240 of the movie. And he wanted a letter from Alison saying that she forgave him. Franz 382 00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:46,560 wanted a backdated profit share from Alison's public speaking appearances and book sales. 383 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:51,320 He said, because if it weren't for him, Alison would not have a success story to share with 384 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:56,480 the world. Now, finally, somebody had some kind of common sense because these requests 385 00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:01,840 or demands, if you want to put them that way, were denied. And basically Franz got nothing. 386 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:08,840 As far as I could find, both of these guys are still behind bars, but keep in mind that 387 00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:14,160 they will continue once they reach, you know, whatever the process is in the, in the parole 388 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:20,440 process, they will still have an opportunity to get out on parole even to this day. Wow. 389 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:26,120 I'm not very familiar on, I mean that process, but they should not be able to get out. Absolutely. 390 00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:31,480 Now, I just wanted to kind of end things with letting you know that Alison does have a message 391 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:36,800 about this whole situation. After the attack, Alison did suffer from trauma and depression 392 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:41,760 as anybody would. She did choose to leave her job at some point and go on the road as 393 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:47,640 a public speaker and an advocate against rape and violence because she found this to be 394 00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:53,640 a way of inspiring other survivors to come forward with their stories. Now, she did say 395 00:38:53,640 --> 00:39:01,280 that talking about it really, really was very therapeutic. And once she talked once, she 396 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:06,200 wanted to just keep going. I had mentioned earlier that she had a choice between life 397 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:11,800 and death. And she had two reasons because before she began attempting to crawl for help, 398 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:16,940 I had mentioned that she could see herself above her body. And at the time, of course, 399 00:39:16,940 --> 00:39:20,800 when your body's in shock, you know, you just don't really know how you're reacting. But 400 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:26,160 at the time, when she did see herself above her body, she did not realize she was watching 401 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:33,280 herself. And she didn't realize it was herself. Ultimately, Alison felt a sense of peace, 402 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:38,240 which I can see obviously because of her demeanor. I mean, she's just a beautiful person, beautiful 403 00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:45,780 heart, beautiful spirit. So secondly, after she began to crawl, she knew she was ready 404 00:39:45,780 --> 00:39:51,760 to die, but she was not willing to die at someone else's hands. From that moment, when 405 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:57,800 she chose life, she knew that she would have to do something. And that is when she got 406 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:03,920 up and she first started to crawl, but she got up and walked. And that, oh gosh, I, again, 407 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:10,960 I have goosebumps. Yeah. Now she feels in the whole scheme of things that men need to 408 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:17,320 be made aware of this type of violence as well, because it's not just a, you know, a 409 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:23,280 attacker to victim issue. It's basically a societal issue that needs to be addressed. 410 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:29,760 I mean, you know, you do have some family members or some cultures that look down towards 411 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:35,760 women a little bit more than other societies do, but she did state that there needs to 412 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:42,480 be programs out there that makes men aware that this type of violence can be prevented. 413 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:47,760 And if you do have a situation that occurs, and if you're put into something similar as 414 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:52,160 this, then you might want to talk to someone obviously, because eventually it's going to 415 00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:57,640 come out on the surface one way or another, because Alison was holding everything in, 416 00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:03,520 right? And she did mention that you have got to talk to someone because it will come out 417 00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:09,720 one way or another. I do want to kind of end with this, but in 1995, Alison received recognition 418 00:41:09,720 --> 00:41:16,680 for several awards. She received the Rotarian Paul Harris Award for courage beyond the norm 419 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:24,360 in 1995. She also won the woman of courage award from Femina magazine. She was awarded 420 00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:31,120 the Port Elizabeth city citizen of the year. And then she also received the Africa magic 421 00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:41,200 viewers choice award in 2017 and also got best documentary in 2016 for amazing everything 422 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:47,040 that she has put out there for survivors. Alison's book, I have a life was translated 423 00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:54,400 into seven different languages and became a best seller, which sold over 90,000 copies. 424 00:41:54,400 --> 00:42:01,320 Now, the cool thing is, is that Alison beat the odds and eventually went on to have two 425 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:08,300 sons. Now remember the two perpetrators were trying to injure her reproductive organs, 426 00:42:08,300 --> 00:42:15,080 but she has two sons out of this and she is doing very well from everything that I've 427 00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:21,160 seen any from the time that this occurred to today. She's just a phenomenal, phenomenal 428 00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:28,760 human being and amazing. God had a plan. Yes, absolutely. So, um, I did want to say really 429 00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:36,880 quick one really, really cool thing that I had found was the gentleman who was the one 430 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:46,120 who found her, who called nine one one, the veterinarian, yes, TN I learned, uh, he actually 431 00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:55,040 after he went on to save her life, he switched career paths and went into, uh, or I'm sorry, 432 00:42:55,040 --> 00:43:02,200 moved from being a veterinarian to a medical doctor and actually was the doctor to deliver 433 00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:12,880 her second son. Really? Now. Oh my gosh. This story, so many goosebumps. I know this awesome. 434 00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:20,480 He changed his career path because of Alison's story. He did. I love that. I could tear up. 435 00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:25,200 I know me too. This is, I don't know. I mean, you know, at least you're getting something 436 00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:32,760 good. Yeah, something bad. Well, there we have it. That's Alison both Alison. Oh my 437 00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:41,740 gosh. You are my hero. You are a bad ass. Yes, you are. So, um, I'm so, so grateful 438 00:43:41,740 --> 00:43:47,800 that I came across your story and gosh, I mean, if I were to meet you one day, I w I 439 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:54,560 just, I would be, I would just be starstruck. You're just an amazing human being. So, okay. 440 00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:59,740 Well there we have it. We are done with Alison and I don't know, do we have anything else 441 00:43:59,740 --> 00:44:04,960 that we want to share? Yes. Um, just really quick instead of introducing me as shelves, 442 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:10,160 I do believe I should be interested introduced as shelves and cat. This is only the second 443 00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:16,360 time I've done the podcast, but I am sitting here in my bed and I have both of my beautiful, 444 00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:22,120 amazing cats just sitting here and laying with me. I know the audience can't see, but 445 00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:27,200 you want to see. Of course I want to see. Now I will say this the last time that Shelby 446 00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:32,680 recorded with me, as soon as I turned the recording off, she's like, okay, do you want 447 00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:39,440 to see what I've been looking at this whole time? I'm kind of obsessed. So they're spoiled. 448 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:43,760 She is cat obsessed. We will tell you the story about her. What is it? A thousand, a 449 00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:50,660 $7,000 cat. Yeah. My thousand dollar cat or $7 million cat. Yeah. It just keeps growing 450 00:44:50,660 --> 00:44:54,840 and growing. She'll be going back to the vet probably this week. And I'm, I don't know, 451 00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:59,520 this might be the right channel because it's pretty gruesome, but I'll save that for next 452 00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:06,740 time. Okay, great. Can't wait to hear that. All right. So thanks for listening. I hope 453 00:45:06,740 --> 00:45:12,740 you enjoyed the podcast and I hope you keep listening. You can visit our website at dying 454 00:45:12,740 --> 00:45:18,840 to be found.com. Just like you see on the logo, you can find us on social media, social 455 00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:25,840 media at dying to be found. Sounds good. Okay. Well, thanks shelves. Anything else to add 456 00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:31,800 shelves and cats? Okay. I'm going to write that down. You have a great week and thank 457 00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:38,800 you. I look forward to being here next time. Great. Sounds good. And again, just visit 458 00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:44,360 our website. Shelby's picture is on the website as our drop in guests. So if you have any 459 00:45:44,360 --> 00:46:08,960 questions for us, let us know and we will talk to you next week.