1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,840 Hi everyone, this is Deb from Dying to be Found. Before we get started today, I just 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:10,320 wanted to mention that episodes contain disturbing discussions on harmful acts and crimes against 3 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:15,900 animals and or humankind. Recordings are not intended for young or sensitive audiences 4 00:00:15,900 --> 00:00:45,000 due to the content nature of this podcast. Listener discretion is strongly advised. 5 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:49,720 Good morning, Beth. How are you? Awesome. How are you? I love that. Is that how we're 6 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:53,960 going to start every day? I love that. You're awesome. That's how I answer the phone. Awesome. 7 00:00:53,960 --> 00:01:01,120 When they asked me, that's great. So hi everyone. It's Deb. It's Beth. And I just wanted to 8 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:06,440 say thank you for coming along today. I'm, I was doing some stats and I'm excited because 9 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:11,240 we have listeners literally all over going to say North America right now, because we 10 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:15,520 just got California wanted to say thank you for those of you who are listening out there. 11 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:22,160 I saw Oklahoma and North Carolina and a few other places, Texas. I saw Texas and then 12 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:27,780 there's places all the way up into Montreal and, and Northern, Northern Ontario. So thank 13 00:01:27,780 --> 00:01:33,520 you so much for joining us. We appreciate you. Thank you. You can find us on Spotify 14 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:39,040 and Apple and all of the podcasts that you listen to. So please listen. We just put out 15 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:45,200 a new recording this morning and I hope you like it. I hope you like our format. So here 16 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:49,640 we go. We're going to talk to you today about an interesting topic, but before we get started, 17 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:54,680 Beth, tell me what's going on. Well, I've been busy doing my hobby. The, where I spend 18 00:01:54,680 --> 00:02:01,160 20 plus hours in my stamp room and no, they're not postal stamps. They are actual rubber 19 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:09,860 stamps and I do a lot of really unique cards and I do video tutorials on YouTube. So if 20 00:02:09,860 --> 00:02:15,040 you want to find me on YouTube, just look up Beth Norman Roberts and you will find me 21 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:28,800 there or www.sunflowers-dragonflies.ca and there is my website where I blog and whatnot. 22 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:33,800 Are you, are you in your room 20 hours a day? 20, did I say a day? I'm sorry. A week. No, 23 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:37,400 you didn't. You weren't specific. I just wanted to know because I know what it's like. I used 24 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:42,960 to stay in a, do some work and I had 17 hour days. I don't have that anymore. It's wonderful. 25 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:49,320 That's why we're doing this podcast. That's awesome. But you're so hard working and 17 26 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:54,800 hours is grueling. It is grueling, but I have a lot of time on my hands and I'm loving this 27 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:59,600 new hobby of mine and I'm loving that I get to talk with you every week. Me too. So are 28 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:04,600 you ready to get started? Yeah. Okay. We're going to talk about the Canadian psycho and 29 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:08,520 I don't know if you even know who that is, but he is definitely psycho because after 30 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:12,760 doing the research for this story, holy cow, he is definitely a psycho. Do you know who 31 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:17,560 that is or shall I surprise you? Surprise me. Okay. So I'm going to start by saying 32 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:25,000 it's Eric Clinton Kirk Newman, who was born on July 24th, 1982 in Scarborough, Ontario, 33 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:30,800 which is the outskirts of Toronto. It's like a, it's like a town in the metro area of Toronto. 34 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:35,640 So Scarborough, Ontario. And he was born to Anna Yorkin and Donald Newman. He was the 35 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:39,800 oldest of three kids and eventually went to go live with his grandparents after his parents 36 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:44,320 split up when he was pretty young. So he lived with his grandma and he was homeschooled for 37 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:50,600 a bit because his grandma believed that the world was dirty and a dangerous place. Wow. 38 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:58,880 I think it's crazy that he was raised in such a nice loving home. If the grandmother thought 39 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:03,920 it was a dirty and dangerous place, she would be really giving some good structure to his 40 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:12,320 home. And it's pretty sad that he's moved on to a different lifestyle. Oh yeah. So I 41 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:17,440 came across a show. I want to fast forward a little bit because I'm going to give you 42 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:23,760 just a little bit of a premise to a documentary that I found. And I'm not going to say the 43 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:29,080 word because I, I'm married to a sailor, but I'm the one with a sailor mouth. So I am trying 44 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:34,160 not to swear in this podcast, but I did find a documentary and I think it's been out there 45 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:38,820 for quite some time. I just happened to come across it called don't F with cats. Have you 46 00:04:38,820 --> 00:04:44,240 seen that documentary at all? Yeah, I saw it about three years ago. So this is what 47 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:47,600 we're talking about today. We're going to be talking about the person that was in this 48 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:55,040 documentary. It was a worldwide manhunt that began somewhere around 2011 for some guy who 49 00:04:55,040 --> 00:05:02,720 put videos on the internet of him killing cats in very disturbing ways. I was horrified. 50 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:06,600 You all know, or at least you do best that I have a kindred spirit with animals. I should 51 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:10,760 have been that vets a long time ago that I wanted to be when I grew up. Right. Yes, you 52 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:14,640 did. And I thought you would have gone in that direction. Do you want to know why I 53 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:22,760 did not? No, I'd like to know. So Auntie Diane said one day, Oh, you want to be a vet. I 54 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:28,200 have to take my dog to the vet. Go with me. I said, okay. So I was job shadowing at probably 55 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:34,480 the age of 11, right? And I ended up going to the vet with her and they performed a, 56 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:40,480 what would you call it? They had to check the dog to see if it had worms. So the process 57 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:45,200 of checking that first of all, horrified me. But secondly, let's just say the dog did have 58 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:51,120 worms and that was, Oh, I was no grossed out. No can do. I worked. I just know I can't do 59 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:56,080 anatomy and things like that. So yeah, that is what turned me away from wanting to be 60 00:05:56,080 --> 00:06:00,400 a vet. I never knew that. All I remember is growing up. I'm going to be a vet. I'm going 61 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:07,440 to be a vet. As soon as I thought I was going to be a lawyer. I know sometimes things just 62 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:12,320 don't turn out the way you plan, but it's all good because life is good and I'm happy 63 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:18,320 where I'm at today. So good. Me too. Good. So one of the people interviewed in the documentary 64 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:22,920 don't F with cats was Deanna Thompson. And she's just an average person like you and 65 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:28,800 me doing your thing every day, going to work. Okay. Do you love cat videos? I love them. 66 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:33,920 I don't know. Do you even like animals, Beth? Well, as a matter of fact, I'm so crazy about 67 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:42,600 owls. I just followed the cute photos on Instagram of owls. And I just, I just, I warm up when 68 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:48,360 I see them. Oh, so that's kind of like kitty cats too. I love kitty cats and Hey, since 69 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:52,960 we're on the topic, we were talking about some random trivia and I wanted to test you 70 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:58,120 here for a second because the website I came across, what is the name of a baby owl? Do 71 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:06,680 you know? No, it's an owlette or a nestling. I like owlette. Yeah. Owl. That's cute. And 72 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:11,680 yeah, random trivia doesn't mean anything for this podcast, but who cares? So yeah, 73 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:16,800 who cares? Deanna Thompson is just an average person. She goes to work every day. I think 74 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:21,040 she was in the computer business. So she had some kind of techie job. She just happened 75 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:25,680 to love cats and she loved to watch cute, sweet videos with playful little kitties. 76 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:30,640 I see those too. I love them. What if I'm a scrolling? Absolutely. I stop because I've 77 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:36,100 always liked cat. One day Deanna was looking on her social media when she received a notification 78 00:07:36,100 --> 00:07:40,800 to watch a video, which was circulating on the internet. So she probably got the message 79 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:46,560 in her inbox and then she thought, okay, let's go click on this. Cause I love kittens, right? 80 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:51,360 And before I continue, I want to give a little disclaimer. I know I do this at the beginning 81 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:55,960 of every episode, but there is cruelty to animals. So if you're sensitive, then you 82 00:07:55,960 --> 00:08:01,920 can absolutely fast forward if you need to. But in December of 2010, this video was posted 83 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:07,160 on the internet called one boy, two kittens. And it shows a guy playing music and petting 84 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:11,080 two sweet little baby kittens just laying there on the bed. Now you couldn't see his 85 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:17,440 face. He had it hidden. He had some long bangs in his face and he was wearing a hoodie. So 86 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:22,720 he deliberately made sure that he could not, that the audience could not see his face. 87 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:27,800 But then you see this guy put the kittens in a plastic bag and you hear a vacuum get 88 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:32,400 started. So I'm not going to really go into detail on what happened. The video is out 89 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:38,240 there. I did see it when I was doing this research and it is quite disturbing, but basically 90 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:42,420 long story short, he suffocated the cats to death and then posted it on the internet. 91 00:08:42,420 --> 00:08:46,960 So you've got this soothing music playing and he's petting the kittens. And then the 92 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:51,520 next thing you know, he's doing what he did to the cats. So then he also posted a couple 93 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:56,720 other videos. There was one showing a kitten being drowned in the tub. I'm going to tell 94 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:01,040 you, I stopped with the first video. I couldn't handle it. And I think part of that too is 95 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:06,840 because that was actually on the Netflix documentary. So that was just part of it. Had I known what 96 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:11,040 was coming, I probably too would have fast forwarded it. But he also posted a couple 97 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:15,620 other videos, one where he was drowning a cat in a tub and then another one being fed 98 00:09:15,620 --> 00:09:21,320 to a Python. I'm actually quite surprised that something like that can get onto the 99 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:28,300 internet. I don't know how the authorities can monitor that. Exactly. Interesting you 100 00:09:28,300 --> 00:09:35,440 say that because I feel like I have in my past studies, I have looked into all that 101 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:42,720 and because it's the worldwide web, every country has its own regulations. So it's not 102 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:47,440 something that can be regulated. You know, there's the dark web out there. Yes, I do. 103 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:52,240 And so if you're going to find it, you're going to find it. But the authorities can't 104 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:57,680 really do a ton about it because every country has its own regulations and it is the worldwide 105 00:09:57,680 --> 00:10:03,520 web. So do they have global regulations? No. Will they have global regulations? Doubtful 106 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:08,000 because it's just so massive. You know what I mean? Yeah. So if normal people like you 107 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:12,200 and me came across this video, of course they were horrified. And then I'm just going to 108 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:17,000 say, if you don't like cruelty to animals, please don't watch the Netflix show. I don't 109 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:22,280 know if I would have watched it if I had known what the story was really about. And I don't 110 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:26,280 even know why. I guess you know why I watched it because it was because of the title. Don't 111 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:31,320 F with cats. That's what grabbed me. So I thought, let me watch this. Oh, wow. So several 112 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:38,040 people saw the video and literally began actively trying to hunt down the person who was posting 113 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:45,040 all this crap on the internet. Good for them. Yes. Hooray. Good for them for taking time 114 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:50,120 out of their day. I really do believe this would be something that I would do because 115 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:55,240 I don't know, being an average sleuth, I certainly wouldn't put myself in a position of danger 116 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:59,960 or anything like that. But this story tells you that you can be anybody that you want 117 00:10:59,960 --> 00:11:04,280 behind the computer screen. History shows that you can be anybody you want. You don't 118 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:09,000 need to be. I think the Deanna Thompson at the beginning of the show, she even said that 119 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:15,320 she had an alternate ego or alternate persona on her social media sites. So she wasn't even 120 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:19,680 using her real name and just goes to show you, you can be anybody that you want. But 121 00:11:19,680 --> 00:11:25,160 the average person was looking for this person that was posting these videos on the internet. 122 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:31,640 A $5,000 reward was posted from an animal protection group for any information on who 123 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:36,040 was in this video and who was posting. And then the group of people took it upon themselves 124 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:40,680 to hunt the guy looking for everything going on in the video. Now, this was the cool part 125 00:11:40,680 --> 00:11:46,640 and this is what really intrigued me. Beth, you do your stamping, you do cards, you make 126 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:53,400 those things. And a long time ago you scrapbooked, right? Oh, I have 25 scrapbooks in my stamp 127 00:11:53,400 --> 00:12:00,760 room in a tote. You have 25 scrapbooks in a tote? Yep. All finished. I have probably 128 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:08,600 2,500 pictures in a tote waiting to go into a scrapbook. It's never going to happen. I've 129 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:13,800 come to the conclusion. I'm going to scan all of those pictures into a digital format 130 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:17,680 and probably have the book printed because I just don't have that kind of time. Oh, that 131 00:12:17,680 --> 00:12:23,720 would be a nice idea. There we go. Christmas present to Beth. Yes. After all, I made you 132 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:28,960 a scrapbook and they'll wear our old haunts where we grew up. And I still have it is actually 133 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:33,480 sitting in the, but I can see it from where I'm sitting right now. That's, I love it. 134 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:38,160 I had every intention when scrapbooking was popular to put something together. I have 135 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:42,600 a couple pages here and there, but I'm just like, yeah, I don't have time for that anymore. 136 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:47,120 But you know how trends come and go. Yeah. And by the way, scrapbooking is still there. 137 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:51,120 Is it? Yeah. Oh, you know what? I think I had somebody telling me recently that they 138 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:55,760 were scrapbooking and I was like, bravo. Good for you if you have that kind of time. It 139 00:12:55,760 --> 00:13:01,160 is quite therapeutic to just sit there and cut and paste. And okay. So what is my point? 140 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:06,120 You know, I'm random. So what is my point? When you take a picture of something, you're 141 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:12,280 usually looking at the person or taking a picture of a person, but you're not really 142 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:17,520 looking at the background, right? Exactly. This is my point. So when you're, when I began 143 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:24,320 scrapbooking, I realized, huh, I need to be looking more at the background and not just 144 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:30,680 the person in the picture. So that got me to really, really critically think on, I think 145 00:13:30,680 --> 00:13:34,800 this is how photographers probably work too. They're looking at the big picture, no pun 146 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:40,560 intended. They are basically looking at everything in the scene. So the group of people that 147 00:13:40,560 --> 00:13:44,800 were taking it upon themselves to hunt for the guy, they were looking at everything in 148 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:51,400 the video. So think about somebody stop, rewind, play, stop, rewind further back, play again, 149 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:58,720 you know? Yeah. They were looking at electrical outlets, bedding, languages being spoken on 150 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:04,200 the television in the background. They were looking at cigarette brands and a vacuum cleaner. 151 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:08,960 Interesting when they were talking about cigarettes, I will say, I do know the differences because 152 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:13,240 growing up in Canada, seeing the packaging there versus here. Yeah, they're completely 153 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:20,560 different. So packaging is completely different all over the world on certain products. So 154 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:24,480 these people were really paying attention to everything in the background. They were 155 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:31,840 listening to the sounds, the languages. After a couple of weeks of tracking activity based 156 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:37,280 on what they could see from the background of the videos, this group identified the person 157 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:43,960 in the video to be Luca Magnata as the person who was posting the video of animal cruelty. 158 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:48,540 And they ended up going to the police, but they were told that they couldn't do anything 159 00:14:48,540 --> 00:14:54,420 because it was just a video about cats. Okay. So the cool thing is that the public refused 160 00:14:54,420 --> 00:14:58,680 to stop going after this guy. The police said they couldn't do anything about it. So they're 161 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:02,880 like, well, we're going to do something. And they started their own Facebook group and 162 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:08,800 communicated with each other. They just anything that they could do. They gave each other information. 163 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:12,560 And there was also a bunch of techies, like I said, who probably knew their way around 164 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:17,800 the internet. So I love the fact I'm calling them renegades because they're after this 165 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:22,680 man. There's a man chase. Good for them. Human, you know, anything that breathes has, I don't 166 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:27,720 know, just anything that breathes animals, especially they can't defend themselves. So 167 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:32,560 while I think it's Bravo to those techies who wouldn't let it go, he was a very sick 168 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:39,640 individual and he certainly needs to be taken down. Yes, absolutely. So truly this group 169 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:45,880 was relentless on pursuing the guy who posted the videos. Eventually this Facebook group 170 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:52,240 finally discovered that the person they were trying to identify was Luca Rocco Magnata. 171 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:56,840 Luca was also known as Eric Clinton, Kirk Newman, like I said, at the very beginning 172 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:03,680 of this podcast, but he changed his name legally to Luca Rocco Magnata in 2006 because of all 173 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:08,520 things we just talked about me wanting to be a vet. You wanted to be a lawyer? Well, 174 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:14,880 Luca wanted to be a porn star. Yuck. So at the age of 20, he began stripping and appearing 175 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:21,400 in porn videos. Again, very disgusting. And this keeps getting worse and worse. Most definitely. 176 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:26,640 So you know, you just never know the mindset. Luca regularly created an internet presence, 177 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:32,120 sort of like an online photo album. How ironic that we're just talking about scrapbooking. 178 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:38,120 Wow. So social media wasn't really a thing back then. So you were saying, how could the 179 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:44,960 authorities not control this? But think about it, Beth, we're in the year 2022. And this 180 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:50,920 happened way back, you know, more than what? Oh gosh, here we go with math again, 2010, 181 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:59,200 2011. So think about how far we have come in technology in the last 12 years, right? 182 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:06,240 Yes, exactly. So Luca was very vain and had a history of inflating his own ego. He's been 183 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:11,760 known to create a shrine for himself at one time at his house. I'm assuming when he lived 184 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:16,800 with his grandma. And then the short time he actually attended public school, even his 185 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:22,480 teachers recognized that he was very much into his appearance. He's trying to create 186 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:27,640 this online presence. That's pretty proactive that he's trying to do that 12 years ago. 187 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:33,920 And he posted lots of pictures that made him look like a world traveler. But again, just 188 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:39,200 like with the Facebook group that was looking at all the scenery behind them. If you looked 189 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:45,720 very closely at these photos, you could see that there was a lot of images being Photoshopped. 190 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:49,320 I actually looked up Photoshopping because of course that's, you know, one of the technologies 191 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:55,400 that came out in 1987, 1988. And so Luca was using the software to create an extensive 192 00:17:55,400 --> 00:18:00,520 online profile to self promote himself and help his aspiring career of wanting to be 193 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:05,480 a porn star. Good for you, Luca. I don't want to see that, but I've seen how people have 194 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:10,600 built online photo albums. Do you know anybody that's done that? Yes. You just post it and 195 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:14,320 just, you can go look at it anytime you want. So that's what he was doing. And then at some 196 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:20,040 point in time, he even fabricated his association with Carla Hamoka. I know you have got to 197 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:26,200 know who that is. Oh yeah. Carla was only 22 years old when she was charged with three 198 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:33,920 rape and murders of minors at 22. And this happened between around 1990 and 1992. She 199 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:39,480 was associated with Paul Bernardo, who is her partner in crime. He's still in jail. 200 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:45,360 Carla received only a 12 year sentence and she's currently living in somewhere in Quebec. 201 00:18:45,360 --> 00:18:49,960 I should also mention that one of her victims was her very own sister. Do you remember that 202 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:54,640 story being out there? Yes. It was pretty horrifying. What did you hear about it or 203 00:18:54,640 --> 00:19:00,680 what do you remember about it? That the thing that stuck out with me was that her murder 204 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:06,840 of three minors, when unfortunately was one with her sister, she was one of the victims 205 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:15,140 that was killed. Wow. Apparently in 2007, Magnata casually dropped by a local newspaper 206 00:19:15,140 --> 00:19:21,220 to deny rumors going around that he was dating Carla at the time. So here you go. He's trying 207 00:19:21,220 --> 00:19:27,360 to be his own publicist. He created this online persona for himself and then he decided he 208 00:19:27,360 --> 00:19:32,840 was going to go stop the rumors at the local newspaper. I get what he was doing because 209 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:37,560 we're promoting our podcast on our own as well and we're getting our news out there. 210 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:41,720 I think we're doing a pretty good job. Thank you all for whoever's listening to us, whoever's 211 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:46,640 following us. Getting back to Luca, before they could identify him as the guy in the 212 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:54,600 video, his behavior escalated and he videotaped himself murdering and dismembering young Lin, 213 00:19:54,600 --> 00:20:00,920 who was 33 years old. He was a foreign exchange student at Concordia University in Montreal. 214 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:07,960 Jun Lin was studying engineering when he responded to an escort ad that Luca had posted on Craigslist. 215 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:13,480 Jun Lin was last seen in May of 2012, right before he was supposed to show up to work 216 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:20,720 on May 24th. So on May 25th, Luca, as bold as he was, posted an 11 minute video of the 217 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:28,080 murder and dismemberment on the internet called One Lunatic, One Ice Pit. What shocked me 218 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:37,680 was that this video had over 172,000 views. Okay, Beth, I mean out of 172,000 views, I'm 219 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:43,560 going to say first thing, people just like with the cats probably had no idea what they 220 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:48,760 were looking at or no idea what was about to come, right? And then secondly, how could 221 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:55,460 after 172,000 views, how could somebody not call the authorities? 222 00:20:55,460 --> 00:21:00,720 That's true. Maybe there's an awful lot of sickos out there that enjoy watching that 223 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:01,720 kind of stuff. 224 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:06,960 Yeah, I'm sure that there's a dark web websites that people go to for that. But apparently 225 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:13,480 the video not only contains detailed graphics of Luca performing lewd acts on the victim, 226 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:18,600 but it also included cannibalism. And finally, at some point in time, a lawyer from Montana 227 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:24,480 discovered the video and reported it to the police in both United States and in Canada. 228 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:29,280 So bravo to you, lawyer from Montana. I don't even care what you were looking at or why 229 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:34,380 you were on that site, but thank you. Thank you for turning him in. And guess what? What? 230 00:21:34,380 --> 00:21:41,360 The authorities once again did not even pay attention to what this lawyer reported because 231 00:21:41,360 --> 00:21:45,760 they said the video was fake. Am I going to assume that the police watch the video themselves? 232 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:52,120 Oh, they probably didn't. They're so full of cases and hear so many things that they 233 00:21:52,120 --> 00:21:54,240 just didn't take it seriously. 234 00:21:54,240 --> 00:22:01,400 Well, in May of 2012, after this video was posted, Luca mailed a severed hand to a Vancouver 235 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:06,480 elementary school. He also mailed a severed foot to a Vancouver middle school. Why? 236 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:09,400 Now that I remember being in the news. 237 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:15,160 Why would somebody send things like that to a school? I don't get it. I mean, is that 238 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:16,760 just like shock value? 239 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,880 Yeah, it's, I don't understand it neither. 240 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:25,800 So he also mailed another severed foot to the conservative and liberal parties headquarters. 241 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:30,040 And I'm sure that was in the news because I did see some people being interviewed on 242 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:34,240 that. So what were they telling people? Like what were they telling the public at this 243 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:35,240 point in time? 244 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:42,120 You know, it was so long ago. I can't remember that. I certainly remember the foot and something 245 00:22:42,120 --> 00:22:48,920 tells me that they even were going to look at going into the dump. I think they were 246 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,960 even considering the local waters too. 247 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:56,360 They I'm sure at this point probably didn't even know who the victim was. 248 00:22:56,360 --> 00:22:57,360 No. 249 00:22:57,360 --> 00:23:01,280 Well, they were able to track the packages through the mail service. So there's a bar 250 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:06,960 code that is put on the packages through the postal service, but not before finding June 251 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:13,000 Lynn's torso in a suitcase in a park in Montreal. I mean, was this days apart? Was it all in 252 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:18,880 the same day within 24 hours? Okay. So do you remember that Facebook group that I told 253 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,520 you about from the Netflix video? 254 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:22,520 Yes. 255 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:26,360 Police finally requested to join that group who was still trying to track down Luca on 256 00:23:26,360 --> 00:23:32,480 their own as most citizens should do because citizens arrest. Is that still a thing? I 257 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:33,480 hope so. 258 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:34,480 I hope so too. 259 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:39,120 So let's go ahead and talk about the arrest. They finally caught up with Luca because an 260 00:23:39,120 --> 00:23:45,720 employee at an internet cafe in Berlin, Germany, who was following the story recognized Magnata 261 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:50,420 and went to the authorities to give them a tip that Luca was frequently hanging out where 262 00:23:50,420 --> 00:23:56,840 he worked. Luca was in the internet cafe reading news about himself. Imagine that because he's 263 00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:03,000 so self-centered. He was in the cafe when he was arrested on June 18th, 2012 for the 264 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,520 murder of June Lynn. 265 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:09,960 I'm kind of surprised that somebody in Berlin, Germany would be following the case of all 266 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,840 things and having Magnata right there. 267 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:19,680 Yeah. Interesting because worldwide web gets around and everybody is able to get access. 268 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,800 So he may or may not have just seen it in the news. Maybe, who knows? Maybe he was in 269 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:28,280 that social group, but good for him for stepping up. I wanted to talk about a letter and a 270 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:33,760 mental health assessment that Luca was given and it goes back a ways. A letter from his 271 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:41,280 psychiatrist was dated May 30th of 2005, which stated Luca was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia 272 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:46,600 and he had been treated for five years for this condition. He received inpatient care 273 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:51,800 in 2003 and should have also been attending outpatient treatments, but did not follow 274 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:58,240 through nor take his prescribed medications as instructed. When he went to trial in 2014, 275 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:04,360 he did plead not guilty due to his schizophrenia diagnosis, but after eight days of deliberation, 276 00:25:04,360 --> 00:25:10,480 the jury found him guilty of first degree murder for June Lynn. And because Luca also 277 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:15,040 mailed those packages to the political parties, he was later charged with threatening prime 278 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:20,920 minister Stephen Harper, who was in office at the time from 2006 to 2015. And he was 279 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:25,920 also found guilty for harassing prime minister Harper and the police. And on top of that, 280 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:30,680 he also was found guilty with a bunch of other charges for mailing those body parts all over 281 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:36,240 Montreal and is serving time for 25 years with the chance of parole. 282 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:41,160 Well, I hope he never gets out because he'll only go back. I know the whole point of being 283 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:46,960 incarcerated is to rehabilitate, but you know, budgets and things, you don't get the right 284 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:51,720 programs. But I mean, some people are, but I don't know about this mindset. There's just 285 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,440 no way. Is there anything missing from the story? Do you think I'm trying to think I 286 00:25:55,440 --> 00:26:00,720 because I watched four years to go on. There was no mention of charges for animal cruelty. 287 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:06,800 Oh, because we're going back to the people in an uproar. Yeah. I mean, honestly, it probably 288 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:10,920 would be if I had heard this story. And then what do you do about it? I mean, you've got 289 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:16,480 the authorities saying that they can't do anything. It's just an animal, but it's a 290 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:23,320 living breathing animal that relies on socialization with human beings, you know? So I found a 291 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:30,600 good timeline on the CBC news that gives a really good synopsis of Luca Magnata. I'm 292 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:34,600 going to add it back to the show notes because it was really cool. I mean, I found it after 293 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:38,680 I had done all my research, but good news. I wanted to kind of bring something else up 294 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:43,400 because this kind of gets thrown in every time we talk about these. Everybody deserves 295 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:54,960 love, right? Oh, for sure. Especially me. I love you, Beth. I love you too, Deb. Congratulations, 296 00:26:54,960 --> 00:27:02,960 Luca, for your marriage to another inmate in 2017. Gross. Where did they meet? Another 297 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:09,360 dating website called Canadian inmates connect. Luca's mother was there to witness the wedding. 298 00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:15,120 Of course. I mean, if you've got a son who's been accused of something and he's been found 299 00:27:15,120 --> 00:27:19,320 guilty, I mean, a mother's love, you're not going to stop loving that child, right? Right. 300 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:24,800 But I do want to add that Luca's mom was also accusing the renegades from the Facebook, 301 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:31,080 amateur techie sleuths that site that got started. She accused this group of being internet 302 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:35,720 stalkers and she called the Facebook group crazy and accused them of acting like high 303 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:41,080 school children for accusing her son of doing something wrong. Dude, it was all on video. 304 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:45,440 I'm not in her shoes and I don't know what it's like to have my own child behind bars, 305 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:50,720 but when it comes to somebody, a human being committing heinous crimes, I know I would 306 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:56,000 unconditionally love my child. And when you've got all this stuff documented on video, there's 307 00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:01,760 a hundred percent evidence. So the cherry on the cake here is that although Luca was able to 308 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:07,680 marry as everyone should, I totally agree with that. His spouse and he are not allowed to see 309 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:12,480 each other because they can't have visitation with other inmates. I don't even know if they're at the 310 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:18,000 same prison, but folks, this is a good example of why you just have to be careful when using dating 311 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:24,880 websites. And, and, okay, you guys can't see us right now, but I'm laughing. I'm about to 312 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:31,680 just tell you why. And I deliberately did not put this in our notes. I thought I did something wrong. 313 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:38,080 No, you did nothing wrong. Wait, what did you say? Be careful when using dating websites. Yes. 314 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:47,440 I met my husband the old fashioned way on a dating website and we just celebrated our sixth year 315 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:56,640 together. Well, not everything is what it seems in the case of this Magnotta, but I'm really happy 316 00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:01,600 for you that it's worked out on a dating site. You just have to be very careful. Yes, you do. 317 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:07,120 Absolutely. I have you all, I was on my own for quite some time and I'm not going to say every 318 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:13,040 person I went out with was ideal, but yes, you definitely have to be very, very careful on those 319 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:18,240 websites that you get on because again, people are not who they say they are. You can be anybody that 320 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:25,200 you want behind the screen. Can you think of any tips for people that are dating on online? Yeah. 321 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:32,240 Oh, wow. That's a great question. First off, go with your gut. And if you get a bad feeling, 322 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:37,760 more than likely that bad feeling is telling you something. I truly believe in that, in that 323 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:43,120 internal feeling. Definitely if you have a bad feeling about it, it's probably going to be a bad situation. 324 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:49,360 And then secondly, tell somebody if you're going to go out with a person. When, you know, Beth, 325 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:55,200 if I were going on a date, then definitely I would be saying, hey, I'm going out to dinner and I'm 326 00:29:55,200 --> 00:30:01,440 going to meet this fella and his name is whatever it is and try to get as much information as you can. 327 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:07,600 And then always meet in a public place at least the first couple of times for sure. Yeah. So I'm 328 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:12,800 going to say, I mean, honestly, I mean, to me, because my life has been so, so busy, it worked out 329 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:19,120 in my favor. It worked out as far as time wise. I'm going to say gave me some shortcuts, speed 330 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:24,640 dating of sorts. You know what I mean? I've never done speed dating, but it's just for busy people. 331 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:30,800 Again, you just have to, when you meet somebody in person, look at some of these cases that we are 332 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:36,720 going to be talking about later. Even if you meet somebody in person, you still have that gut feeling. 333 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:43,040 You either click or you don't, you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. There we go. So that's the story 334 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:49,840 on Luca Magnata, the psycho Canadian. And that's a wrap. That's a wrap. Thanks for joining us. 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