1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,000 Hi everyone, this is Deb from Dying to be Found. 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:12,640 Today's episode contains discussions on harmful acts and sexual assault against women. 3 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:24,280 Listener discretion is strongly advised. 4 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:30,600 Well hello everyone, welcome back to Dying to be Found where I love to say that this 5 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:32,120 is a family thing. 6 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:37,900 And you never know which family member will drop in to help me out because today Beth, 7 00:00:37,900 --> 00:00:43,920 my sister from Canada, is here to listen along as we bring you quite the story. 8 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:47,240 Now Beth is intrigued with early era crime. 9 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:49,300 We're going to bump it up a little bit here today. 10 00:00:49,300 --> 00:00:55,140 We don't typically do big headline news, but today's episode has been in the pipeline 11 00:00:55,140 --> 00:00:56,760 for quite some time. 12 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:57,760 So here we go. 13 00:00:57,760 --> 00:00:59,160 How are you Beth? 14 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:00,160 I'm great. 15 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:01,280 How are you? 16 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:02,280 I am wonderful. 17 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:04,440 It is so good to be back. 18 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:06,320 I have to say I've missed everybody. 19 00:01:06,320 --> 00:01:10,720 I've missed you and we're just going to get right back into things. 20 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:16,120 I can't wait to hear what you have to say about this storyline and what is new. 21 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:17,120 Anything? 22 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:18,120 Not a lot. 23 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:20,520 I'm just very happy to be back. 24 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:22,160 This feels like home. 25 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:24,760 Oh, I love to hear that. 26 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:25,840 I feel the same way. 27 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:27,800 And guess what else is going to feel like home? 28 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:28,800 What? 29 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:30,400 I have not been back to Canada. 30 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:32,040 Do you know how long it's been? 31 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:33,040 Since 2006. 32 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:34,040 Wow. 33 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:37,600 You're going to notice such a big difference. 34 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:38,600 Yes. 35 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:40,360 I'm sure you've had urban sprawl. 36 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:45,240 Well, I talked to you a while back about our bucket list and the places that we want to 37 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:50,320 go see and remind me before we get started, where would you like to visit that you've 38 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:51,320 never been? 39 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:53,880 I guess Ireland and Scotland. 40 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:55,040 Oh my gosh. 41 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:56,120 We have got to plan a trip. 42 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:58,240 I would love to go up there with you. 43 00:01:58,240 --> 00:01:59,240 That would be amazing. 44 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,080 We'll have to go on one of those old people tours. 45 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:03,080 Okay. 46 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:09,360 Well, first of all, I'm not classifying myself as old, so I don't know if I will qualify, 47 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:10,720 but send me the link. 48 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:15,320 Well, by the time I can afford it, you'll qualify. 49 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:16,320 Okay. 50 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:17,640 So we'll stay a little bit local. 51 00:02:17,640 --> 00:02:22,720 We are in North America today because one of the places that I would like to go, and 52 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,920 I've told you this before, I love historical cities. 53 00:02:25,920 --> 00:02:29,040 There's so much going on in that space. 54 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:35,200 It's like you're walking on the same cobblestone sidewalks as historical figures. 55 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:40,000 But in this case, I'm not real proud to say that today because we're on our way to Boston. 56 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:41,000 Oh. 57 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:42,000 Yeah. 58 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:43,400 Boston is known. 59 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,680 It's one of the very first established American colonies. 60 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:47,680 Is it? 61 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:48,680 It is. 62 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:54,120 And, you know, honestly, I grew up learning about Canadian geography, not American geography, 63 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:59,320 but I've been here so long that I pretty much know it just as much as I do Canada now. 64 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:04,700 Boston is also known as the historical backdrop to the American Revolution, which helped to 65 00:03:04,700 --> 00:03:08,280 establish the US Declaration of Independence. 66 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:13,560 If you've ever heard of the Boston Marathon, the Boston Red Sox, and most importantly, 67 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:15,800 Beth, I know you'll appreciate this. 68 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:19,280 It's the birthplace of Samuel Adams Beer Company. 69 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:20,280 How about that? 70 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,840 I'm surprised you remember that's what I drink when I'm down in the States. 71 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:24,840 Oh, okay. 72 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,960 Well, I didn't, but thanks for the reminder. 73 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,520 Yeah, we should maybe plan a trip to Boston. 74 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:32,920 Maybe that's a little bit more affordable. 75 00:03:32,920 --> 00:03:38,520 Boston and New York are the two states I really want to see. 76 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:40,640 Let's stop talking about it and do it. 77 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,320 Okay, we'll plan after this podcast. 78 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:44,320 Okay. 79 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:49,720 Now, we're going to begin today by talking about a man named Albert DeSalvo, who went 80 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:56,800 by numerous aliases, which I did not know until I started researching this case. 81 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:58,840 Do you know who Albert DeSalvo is, Beth? 82 00:03:58,840 --> 00:03:59,840 You know what? 83 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:01,960 I was trying to think, do I know this name? 84 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:03,840 Could he be the Boston Strangler? 85 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:05,520 He is the Boston Strangler. 86 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:11,320 Yeah, I used to, as a kid, cut out clippings about the Boston Strangler and put it in my 87 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:12,320 scrapbook. 88 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:13,320 What? 89 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:14,320 Are you serious? 90 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:17,520 Oh my gosh. 91 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:18,520 I am. 92 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:21,120 That's why I thought that's got to be it's in Boston. 93 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,560 DeSalvo sounds familiar. 94 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:29,240 So I put a different title on the script because I was trying to throw Beth off a little bit. 95 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:34,080 I did for just a hot minute because she did not know one of the aliases that I'm going 96 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:35,080 to talk about. 97 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:36,360 She did not know that name. 98 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:38,600 Neither did I until I started researching. 99 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:43,740 But I'll explain to you, Beth, how he got his nicknames before things did elevate to 100 00:04:43,740 --> 00:04:50,600 his most notorious name because Albert DeSalvo is the man, as you stated, behind the Boston 101 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:51,600 Strangler. 102 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:52,600 Okay. 103 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:55,360 Now I'm sitting here wondering, should I have been worried growing up knowing that you had 104 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:59,120 a scrapbook on serial killers? 105 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:02,400 How old were you when you had this scrapbook? 106 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:03,400 Let's see. 107 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:06,240 I'm going to guess in grade five or six. 108 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,680 So you would have been probably 11 or 12. 109 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:13,760 So you know how grandma always used to have that tabloid magazine. 110 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:14,760 Yes. 111 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:16,720 Well, I used to read it. 112 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:18,080 Oh, wow. 113 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:19,080 Yes. 114 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:20,560 She always let me take them home. 115 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:21,560 Okay. 116 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,120 So that would have made me probably about eight. 117 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:28,080 Still a little bit oblivious to the horrible things going on in the world. 118 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:29,840 But I do remember those tabloids. 119 00:05:29,840 --> 00:05:34,080 And then dad would always get onto me when I bought them when I was visiting. 120 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:36,360 He'd be like, oh, that's just a bunch of trash. 121 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:38,120 Or quote unquote fake news. 122 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:40,960 Oh, fake news before it became fake news. 123 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:41,960 Huh? 124 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:43,420 All right. 125 00:05:43,420 --> 00:05:46,800 So this case is not cut and dry. 126 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:54,000 DeSalvo's identity as the Boston Strangler was and still is up for debate going into 127 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,340 50 years after his arrest. 128 00:05:56,340 --> 00:05:57,540 Did you know that? 129 00:05:57,540 --> 00:06:02,140 He's specifically not been pegged as the Boston Strangler. 130 00:06:02,140 --> 00:06:03,720 It's not cut and dry. 131 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:09,680 I didn't realize that because in one of the photos that I cut out from the magazine that 132 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:16,280 said such and such is the Boston Strangler or he said he was the Boston Strangler. 133 00:06:16,280 --> 00:06:17,280 So yes. 134 00:06:17,280 --> 00:06:22,580 And we're going to get into that because he is all sorts of full of confessions. 135 00:06:22,580 --> 00:06:23,580 He's not a liar. 136 00:06:23,580 --> 00:06:28,040 I will touch on that talking point in just a little bit because he's not a liar, Beth. 137 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:30,240 He comes out and tells you the truth. 138 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:31,480 Is he a good person? 139 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:32,480 No. 140 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:33,480 Did he do bad things? 141 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:34,480 Yes. 142 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:35,480 Is he a liar? 143 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:36,800 To a certain extent. 144 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:42,480 But when he wants to tell the truth about something, you'll see he's going to tell you the truth. 145 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:43,480 Oh. 146 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:49,080 Well, for all intense purposes, the police believe that DeSalvo is indeed the Boston 147 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:54,000 Strangler, but some of his family members still dispute that label. 148 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:55,000 Of course. 149 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:56,000 Yeah. 150 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:57,000 I know. 151 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:01,800 I don't think that I would want to be connected with somebody like that through my family 152 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:02,800 tree. 153 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:08,080 Now, during the time that these crimes occurred, Albert actually confessed. 154 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:13,440 But due to the lack of evidence, he simply could not be pinpointed as the Boston Strangler 155 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:19,600 who killed a total of at least 11 women over a two-year period. 156 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:24,720 Now, we'll get into that in just a moment, but let's first talk about Albert DeSalvo's 157 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:25,720 home life. 158 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:33,280 Albert DeSalvo was born to Frank and Charlotte DeSalvo on September 3rd, 1931 in Chelsea, 159 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:34,280 Massachusetts. 160 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:41,040 He was one of six children and was unfortunately raised, Beth, in an abusive household. 161 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:46,300 At a very young age, Albert would constantly witness his alcoholic father attacking his 162 00:07:46,300 --> 00:07:52,360 mother where she suffered some pretty intense physical torture. 163 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:58,460 Albert had watched helplessly around the age of seven as his mother's fingers were broken 164 00:07:58,460 --> 00:08:01,520 and her teeth were knocked out in front of him. 165 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:07,800 So some pretty severe stuff that I don't believe any child, regardless on who they grew up 166 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,200 to be, should ever witness. 167 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:11,200 Exactly. 168 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:19,200 That is, I had no idea that there was some torture involved in this and that's pretty 169 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:20,200 brutal. 170 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:21,200 It is. 171 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:24,880 And I mean, strange enough, Beth, I really didn't know much about this story at all. 172 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:30,220 I think honestly, I was probably too young for it, but over time it gets pushed into 173 00:08:30,220 --> 00:08:34,200 the background because there's so much other stuff going on. 174 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:35,200 Right. 175 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:41,560 Well, as a child, Albert was no less fortunate because in a later interview, he had stated 176 00:08:41,560 --> 00:08:48,720 that he himself was a victim of physical abuse where one time he received a blow to his back 177 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:52,920 with a metal pipe after he tried to scramble away from his dad. 178 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,000 He just didn't move fast enough. 179 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:56,000 Those were his words. 180 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,760 I just didn't get out of the way fast enough. 181 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:02,960 Albert also stated that he and his brother would be forced to stand in front of their 182 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:08,240 father every night only to be beaten with the buckle end of a belt. 183 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,800 I mean, that's horrible. 184 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:17,840 We know, Beth, that this stuff goes on behind closed doors, but it's just so sad to hear 185 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:18,840 it. 186 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:19,840 It is. 187 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:20,840 It really is. 188 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,200 I just, I don't know if there's a way to stop it. 189 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:28,000 I don't get what pleasure somebody would get out of doing that to their children. 190 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:29,000 Me neither. 191 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:34,440 If I could just, for just a moment, our listeners by now should know that we have a new podcast 192 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,720 out there called Insinuation Podcast. 193 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:45,460 That is actually one of our big talking points this season is how child abuse occurs constantly. 194 00:09:45,460 --> 00:09:50,680 Even though there are different agencies involved, it still goes on. 195 00:09:50,680 --> 00:09:52,160 Where's it going to stop? 196 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:53,160 Yeah. 197 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:59,680 So, Selvo claimed that he and his two sisters were at some point sold to a farmer in Maine 198 00:09:59,680 --> 00:10:02,520 for the bargain price of $9. 199 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:08,040 That was when he was a child because in today's money value, that would be over $200. 200 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:09,660 That's disgusting. 201 00:10:09,660 --> 00:10:10,800 It is. 202 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:17,080 And I can't say that that information could be verified, Beth, because there was really 203 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:21,120 nothing to corroborate what that storyline was that he had to say. 204 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:25,800 But he did tell authorities that he was gone for six months before their mother finally 205 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:27,620 tracked them down. 206 00:10:27,620 --> 00:10:30,920 Could you imagine being on the search for your child? 207 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:31,920 No. 208 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:32,920 Very horrifying. 209 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:33,920 Yeah. 210 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:38,240 Well, De Selvo never clarified what had happened on that farm. 211 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:44,400 But let me just say that in everything I read, Albert De Selvo really didn't lie about his 212 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:47,280 confessions, which I had mentioned a little earlier. 213 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:54,040 He was very matter of fact and extremely upfront and truthful when providing police with information 214 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:56,360 during those later confessions. 215 00:10:56,360 --> 00:11:02,300 It's almost Beth like he wanted to get everything off of his chest and give investigators everything 216 00:11:02,300 --> 00:11:03,540 they needed. 217 00:11:03,540 --> 00:11:07,860 The only thing holding back progress was the lack of evidence here, which again, we'll 218 00:11:07,860 --> 00:11:09,200 talk about in just a bit. 219 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:12,760 I agree with you that I think he needed to get that off his chest. 220 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:17,520 I think that he did that quite a bit because he didn't have just one or two run ins with 221 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:18,520 the law. 222 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,520 He was very truthful every time he got caught. 223 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:24,840 So he wanted to get it off his conscience. 224 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:30,640 Clearly Albert was traumatized by his situation as he was growing up. 225 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:35,680 But when that happens, sometimes kids simply act out. 226 00:11:35,680 --> 00:11:41,760 Albert's parents did eventually divorce and he went on to live with his mother. 227 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:45,080 From everything that I found Beth, they had a pretty good relationship. 228 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:46,080 Nice. 229 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:47,080 Yeah. 230 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:52,300 But by then Albert was a teenager and he was just simply making bad choices and getting 231 00:11:52,300 --> 00:11:53,540 into trouble. 232 00:11:53,540 --> 00:11:59,180 During his teenage years, Albert began racking up charges of assault and battery plus other 233 00:11:59,180 --> 00:12:02,500 petty crimes that landed him in reform school. 234 00:12:02,500 --> 00:12:09,240 By all appearances, he seemed to straighten up because by the age of 17, he did enlist 235 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:10,320 in the army. 236 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:16,440 He served eight years, met his bride, had two children and worked an honest living in 237 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,640 a manufacturing plant once he left the military. 238 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:26,640 But Beth behind this facade, Albert's dark side did begin to emerge and he began participating 239 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:32,800 in some very lewd acts, earning himself a nickname or two before being labeled as the 240 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:34,400 Boston Strangler. 241 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:40,480 We're going to move into the 1950s where in the Cambridge area, just outside of Boston, 242 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:45,720 a 20 something year old man went door to door claiming to be a talent scout. 243 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:51,120 If a young woman answered, he would introduce himself as Johnson and go through a scripted 244 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:54,740 speech that included several talking points. 245 00:12:54,740 --> 00:12:58,720 Albert would start by saying that the young woman's name was given to him by someone who 246 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:00,920 thought they would make a good model. 247 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:06,720 He assured them that no nudity would be involved, only bathing suits, evening gowns and things 248 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:07,720 like that. 249 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:12,880 His agency was willing to pay the young woman $40 an hour. 250 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:18,960 Beth, this was in the 1950s where minimum wage was 75 cents an hour. 251 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:20,480 That's a heck of a lot of money. 252 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:22,680 I mean, it would sound good to me. 253 00:13:22,680 --> 00:13:23,680 Absolutely. 254 00:13:23,680 --> 00:13:29,880 Because the average weekly salary back in the 1950s was $30 a week. 255 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:34,320 So $40 an hour would definitely sound good to some of those women. 256 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:35,320 For sure. 257 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:40,640 I mean, I'm thinking back to when you and I were kids and our parents bought their house 258 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:42,640 where we grew up for $20,000. 259 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:43,640 Did they? 260 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:44,640 Yes, they did. 261 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:47,240 Oh my gosh. 262 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:48,840 Because think about it. 263 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:53,060 When I was a teenager, minimum wage was $3.35 an hour. 264 00:13:53,060 --> 00:13:57,080 Here in Canada, I think it's around $19 an hour. 265 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:58,080 Now? 266 00:13:58,080 --> 00:13:59,080 Yeah. 267 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:01,320 I'm thinking of upping it to $25. 268 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:05,600 Interesting that you say that because it's still $7.25 an hour here. 269 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:06,840 People can't live on that. 270 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:08,600 No, they really can't. 271 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:13,720 Well, if these women were interested in becoming a model, Johnson was required to take the 272 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:19,120 young woman's measurements and he's just so happy to carry a measuring tape with him. 273 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,760 I mean, I don't know about you, but I actually have one of those in my purse. 274 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:24,360 So do I. 275 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,680 And we find useful ways to use it, don't we? 276 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:28,680 Exactly. 277 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:29,680 Right. 278 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:35,040 After he was done, Johnson said that he would be in touch, which of course never happened. 279 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:39,080 And eventually some of the women caught on and called the police. 280 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:43,160 I mean, you know, a week or two goes by and I'm wondering why this guy never called me. 281 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:44,160 I don't know. 282 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:48,520 I guess the afterthoughts of, oh my goodness, this person came in and violated me. 283 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:50,640 I better call the police. 284 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:56,720 On March 17th, 1961, Albert DeSalvo was caught trying to break into a home. 285 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:02,840 And during his arrest, he admitted to being what the police had pegged him as the measuring 286 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:03,840 man. 287 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:04,840 What? 288 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:05,840 Because he had the measuring tape. 289 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:06,840 Oh, okay. 290 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:07,840 Isn't that something? 291 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:08,840 Yeah. 292 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:14,320 During this police interview, investigators asked DeSalvo why he did what he did. 293 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:18,100 And he answered, quote, I am not good looking. 294 00:15:18,100 --> 00:15:23,600 I am not educated, but I was able to put something over on high class people. 295 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:29,320 They were all college kids and I never had anything in my life and I outsmarted them. 296 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:30,320 Unquote. 297 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:34,080 Kind of sounds like someone we know who liked to one up people. 298 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,040 Beth, does that sound familiar? 299 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:37,040 Yes. 300 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:38,280 Was that going through your head? 301 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:43,880 No, what was going through my head is, geez, this could be the Boston Strangler because 302 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:45,880 he one upped everybody. 303 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:49,260 Oh, well, you would know this more than me from the tabloids. 304 00:15:49,260 --> 00:15:51,880 What do you know about him one upping people? 305 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:52,880 I don't. 306 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:54,960 I was too young. 307 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:56,520 I forgot. 308 00:15:56,520 --> 00:16:03,120 DeSalvo ended up serving 18 months, but was released early on good behavior and was sent 309 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:04,800 back to his family. 310 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:10,560 But that was good behavior on the inside, not the outside of prison. 311 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:18,160 Once released, DeSalvo had additional arrests between the years of 1956 and 1960, ranging 312 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:22,480 from breaking and entering to indecent sexual behaviors. 313 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:29,760 In November 1964, DeSalvo was arrested again for a string of sexual assault charges. 314 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:36,240 One young woman who had gone back to bed after seeing her new husband off to work was awakened 315 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:42,320 suddenly to find a man standing over her bed with a knife to her throat, threatening to 316 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,080 kill her if she made a sound. 317 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:47,260 Oh, that is my worst fear. 318 00:16:47,260 --> 00:16:50,600 That's why I keep my apartment door locked all the time. 319 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:54,760 After tying her to the bed, DeSalvo sexually assaulted this woman. 320 00:16:54,760 --> 00:17:00,600 Now, this young lady had enough gumption to get a good look at the man who had assaulted 321 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:05,600 her as she was able to go to the police with a very good description of him. 322 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:12,360 The police created a sketch composite of someone who looked eerily similar to none other than 323 00:17:12,360 --> 00:17:16,800 the measuring man who we now know is Albert DeSalvo. 324 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:22,840 DeSalvo was picked up rather quickly and called in for a lineup at the police station. 325 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:28,680 Standing behind the one-way mirror was his young victim who was able to positively identify 326 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:31,760 DeSalvo as the man who had attacked her. 327 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:32,760 So that's good. 328 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:33,760 Mm-hmm. 329 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:34,920 Now, I will say this. 330 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:39,480 I don't know how much time he served for being the measuring man. 331 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:45,400 I didn't see a ton of information on that, probably because he was overshadowed by later 332 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:50,320 activity, but I'm sure that he probably did some time for that. 333 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:51,320 For sure. 334 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:52,920 Especially if he had a witness. 335 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:53,920 Yeah. 336 00:17:53,920 --> 00:18:00,200 Well, during his second string of assaults, DeSalvo was dubbed as the green man because 337 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:05,080 whoever was behind those attacks was a man who always wore green pants. 338 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:11,960 Now, I don't know if the police ever found those green pants with any issued search warrants 339 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:12,960 at the time. 340 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:13,960 I don't know. 341 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:19,520 I know things have changed as far as really needing to follow specific guidelines to get 342 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:26,180 a search warrant, but enough witnesses did give investigators information to label DeSalvo 343 00:18:26,180 --> 00:18:29,120 as this green man assailant. 344 00:18:29,120 --> 00:18:35,800 After his arrest, DeSalvo admitted to assaulting, get this, Beth, more than 300 women in four 345 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:36,800 states. 346 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:38,240 That's a heck of a lot. 347 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:39,240 It is. 348 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:43,120 I have to sit here and wonder why he's attacking so many people. 349 00:18:43,120 --> 00:18:48,000 Typically, it's mummy issues and from everything I read, he had a good relationship with her. 350 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:49,920 He needs to be locked up. 351 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:50,920 For sure. 352 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:56,620 Well, this is the 1960s, Beth, and out of those 300 women, I didn't see that any came 353 00:18:56,620 --> 00:18:59,620 forward to report sexual assault. 354 00:18:59,620 --> 00:19:06,120 So police, again, had very little to go on besides this grandiose story that DeSalvo 355 00:19:06,120 --> 00:19:07,400 had conjured up. 356 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:12,640 Now, I just told you he likes to one-up people, but I also mentioned that he is not a liar. 357 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:19,000 He was notorious for embellishing his confessions or at least aggrandizing them because that 358 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:22,180 was something he really enjoyed doing. 359 00:19:22,180 --> 00:19:27,500 Just looking to see what people's reactions were as he was playing his mind games. 360 00:19:27,500 --> 00:19:30,640 So I asked the question, why would he be doing this? 361 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:35,760 Because he didn't seem to have mummy issues, Beth, but I can imagine with the abuse that 362 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:41,840 he got from his father, it seems to me that he had extreme low self-esteem, which I had 363 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:47,080 referenced to earlier when I had mentioned that he did not feel that he was good-looking 364 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:48,080 or educated. 365 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:53,120 I would say, Beth, he would be considered a decently good-looking man. 366 00:19:53,120 --> 00:19:58,520 I don't know why he would have, other than just have self-esteem to me. 367 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:03,120 Well, his father probably called him ugly and, you know. 368 00:20:03,120 --> 00:20:08,440 Yeah, they say the terms sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt 369 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:09,440 me. 370 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:10,440 Totally false. 371 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:11,440 Exactly. 372 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:18,120 Well, even though police had nothing to go on from DeSalvo's lavish confessions as the 373 00:20:18,120 --> 00:20:24,920 Green Man, he did manage to warn investigators that if they knew the whole story, they would 374 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:26,440 not believe it. 375 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:30,000 It would come out eventually and they would find out. 376 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:37,000 I mean, I'm not sure why investigators didn't probe him a little bit more, but DeSalvo was 377 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:43,200 quickly sent to Bridgewater State Hospital for a psychiatric evaluation and observation 378 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:44,200 period. 379 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,280 Oh, are we going to get into that at all or? 380 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:49,480 No, I didn't really see a ton of that again. 381 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:54,600 You know, these articles on him were a little bit difficult to find because they're so old. 382 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:55,600 Okay. 383 00:20:55,600 --> 00:21:03,960 But let's get into the person behind the Boston Strangler who took a two-year reign of terror 384 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:12,360 because between 1962 and 1964, I think I said 11 women earlier, but it's more like 13 women 385 00:21:12,360 --> 00:21:16,380 showed various signs of sexual assault on his list. 386 00:21:16,380 --> 00:21:22,000 Each had been strangled to death in the metropolitan area of Boston, Massachusetts. 387 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:28,440 All victims lived alone and were believed to have known their attacker in one way or another. 388 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,280 There was never any sign of forced entry. 389 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:36,780 These murders were initially tagged as the silk stocking murders, which you'll understand 390 00:21:36,780 --> 00:21:41,360 why in just a moment, but they were later changed to the Boston Strangler. 391 00:21:41,360 --> 00:21:45,640 I mean, who comes up with these names, Beth? 392 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:47,880 We never hear that nowadays, do we? 393 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:54,400 No, because we have DNA and the internet and internet sleuths, you know, people crowdsourcing. 394 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,320 We catch criminals these days. 395 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:57,320 True. 396 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:03,640 Investigators believe that DeSalvo disguised himself as a delivery man or possibly a repair 397 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:07,680 man to get the women to let him inside their apartments. 398 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,800 And most of them did live in an apartment. 399 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:14,800 Some had witnesses, which I will tell you all about in just a moment. 400 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:19,640 Whoever was attacking these women, they always left a signature behind. 401 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:25,840 The ligature used in each attack, whether it was a silk stocking or a pillowcase, the 402 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:31,160 arms of a house coat, all of them were neatly tied into a bow. 403 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,080 That's all crazy. 404 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:34,960 And tying it into a bow? 405 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:42,080 I'm sitting here just imagining what his state of mind is as he's doing that, Beth. 406 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:46,640 That is just a sick, sick mind to take the time to do that. 407 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:47,640 Yeah. 408 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:52,580 Well, besides the ligature, which he always did leave behind, Albert DeSalvo did a very 409 00:22:52,580 --> 00:23:00,720 good job of leaving very little evidence at the scene of each crime, at least in the beginning, 410 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,600 because he was able to get away with this for two full years. 411 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,940 Now, I definitely don't give DeSalvo credit for that. 412 00:23:07,940 --> 00:23:14,300 His crimes are despicable, but you know what I mean when I say that they're slick up until 413 00:23:14,300 --> 00:23:18,400 they slip and they do typically slip. 414 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:24,760 By the time the Boston Strangler was dubbed, there were at least 150 police officers assigned 415 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:28,200 to this case, officers and investigators. 416 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:34,560 A widespread panic began as women, especially those living alone, began to get guard dogs 417 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,040 for protection. 418 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:42,000 These women would look in closets under the bed and they began locking their doors during 419 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:46,600 an era when they typically left those doors unlocked all night long. 420 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:47,600 I get it. 421 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:48,600 That's how you grew up, right? 422 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,080 Yeah, but that's odd for that time period. 423 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:52,080 It truly was. 424 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:53,080 About what? 425 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:54,080 You mean locking the doors? 426 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:55,080 Yeah. 427 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:58,240 Oh, I agree, because here's an interesting fact. 428 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:03,080 Years ago, Beth, I used to work with a woman who was a teenager during the time of the 429 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,320 Boston Strangler's reign of terror. 430 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:10,080 And she had told me that it was extremely unnerving to be a single woman. 431 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:15,340 I think she said she was somewhere around 19 or so, but she had also said that the Boston 432 00:24:15,340 --> 00:24:20,480 police had put a curfew out so women were not allowed to be out after a certain period 433 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,680 of time, which I thought was interesting. 434 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,840 Yeah, that's news to me. 435 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:26,720 I know. 436 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:32,200 When you hear somebody living through something like that, I mean, it's like historical events 437 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,280 that occur on the news. 438 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:35,980 We are living through that. 439 00:24:35,980 --> 00:24:40,300 My son, Corey, he had just mentioned something that was on the news recently that he's like, 440 00:24:40,300 --> 00:24:46,160 this is only the first big major event that has occurred in his lifetime since 9 11. 441 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:50,600 So it's the exposure that people have and the things that you remember and what time 442 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:51,820 period it was in. 443 00:24:51,820 --> 00:24:56,820 But most of these attacks seem to occur during daytime hours. 444 00:24:56,820 --> 00:25:02,000 I had mentioned that the Strangler had usually been invited in like being a delivery man 445 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,000 or repairman. 446 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:08,280 So it's good that they had that curfew probably at seven o'clock p.m. every night. 447 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:13,860 But still, as even today, we do know that most crimes occur during the day when people 448 00:25:13,860 --> 00:25:14,860 are at work. 449 00:25:14,860 --> 00:25:20,760 OK, I'm going to go through the list of the women because, Beth, you know that I believe 450 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:22,640 all victims need to have a name. 451 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:29,460 I'm going to try to be as delicate as possible, but you will see patterns here as we go through 452 00:25:29,460 --> 00:25:32,020 the list of the victims. 453 00:25:32,020 --> 00:25:39,460 The first attack occurred on June 14th, 1962, with 55 year old Anna Slusters. 454 00:25:39,460 --> 00:25:45,520 Anna was a seamstress by day and she was discovered in her apartment by her son where she had 455 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:50,940 been sexually assaulted and finally with the cords of her own housecoat. 456 00:25:50,940 --> 00:25:55,400 The Strangler had tied the cords up in a nice bow for people to find later. 457 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,600 So this is his very first signature. 458 00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,520 I didn't know about that. 459 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:00,520 About his signature? 460 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:01,520 Yeah. 461 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,480 Typically, all serial killers have one. 462 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:05,480 Right. 463 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,920 But tying up in a bow, that just seems like something. 464 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:09,920 Yeah. 465 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:10,920 All right. 466 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:15,120 The Strangler's second victim is Mary Mullen, age 85. 467 00:26:15,120 --> 00:26:18,760 And Beth, this is truly very sad. 468 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:23,080 Investigators ruled Mary's death as a heart attack, not specifically that she had been 469 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:28,800 strangled because it's very likely that she died from fright when her attacker began to 470 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:29,920 strangle her. 471 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,760 De Silva later said that Mary died in his arms. 472 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:41,520 Now, if he said Mary died in his arms, don't you think that the Boston Strangler would 473 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,140 really know what happened to her? 474 00:26:44,140 --> 00:26:46,480 It makes sense if she died of a heart attack. 475 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:47,480 So true. 476 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,760 That's not typically what would happen if he was physically attacking her. 477 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:51,900 But you're right. 478 00:26:51,900 --> 00:26:54,800 His mindset, it's undescribable. 479 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:55,800 I have no words. 480 00:26:55,800 --> 00:27:00,400 For him to say something like that, is he embellishing this case because he likes to 481 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,560 one up people or was he being truthful? 482 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:08,680 And then again, think about how he's neatly tying up these bows, but then sitting there 483 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,040 allowing this person to die in his arms. 484 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:12,040 I don't know. 485 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,720 It's way over my head. 486 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:20,320 On June 30th, 1962, two more victims were discovered on the same day. 487 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:27,360 Helen Blake, age 65, and Nina Nichols, age 68, both women were found with silk stockings 488 00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:28,660 around their neck. 489 00:27:28,660 --> 00:27:30,960 They were tied up with that signature bow. 490 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:36,000 Nina received more news coverage than Helen did because she was related to the current 491 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:40,200 president at the time of the Massachusetts Bar Association. 492 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:44,760 And that's the people that lawyers sit for the bar and get their licenses. 493 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:45,760 Okay. 494 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:54,120 Well, on August 19th, 1962, Ida Erga, age 75, she had been strangled with a pillow case. 495 00:27:54,120 --> 00:28:00,920 Ida was known to be quiet and shy and typically kept to herself after becoming a widow. 496 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:07,200 Jane Sullivan, age 67, was discovered on August 30th, 1962. 497 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:12,640 Jane was a licensed practical nurse who worked the night shift and lived alone in her three-bedroom 498 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:13,840 apartment. 499 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:18,180 Jane was discovered in her bathtub 11 days after her murder. 500 00:28:18,180 --> 00:28:21,680 Police said there was no forced entry or sign of a struggle. 501 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,800 Now, all these women are older women. 502 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:29,640 That's why I believe he has mummy issues because he's attacking older women. 503 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:35,440 Well, on December 5th, 1962, things changed a little bit. 504 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:42,000 Sophie Clark, age 20, was a student at the Carnegie Institute of Medical Technology. 505 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:46,760 She was discovered by her roommates in their back bay apartment and had been strangled 506 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,240 with three silk stockings and a half slip. 507 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:56,360 Although she was extremely mindful and proactive of what was going on in the city with the 508 00:28:56,360 --> 00:29:02,600 Boston Strangler, there was no sign of forced entry, although there were signs of a struggle. 509 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:07,080 Now, the one thing about this case, Beth, I had mentioned a while back that there were 510 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:08,080 some witnesses. 511 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:14,320 In Sophie's case, there was a witness, a nearby neighbor had told police that a man had knocked 512 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:15,720 on her door. 513 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:20,240 When she answered, the man told her that the apartment's superintendent had sent him to 514 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:21,680 paint her apartment. 515 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:28,040 He also said he needed to fix a light fixture in the bathroom, then complimented her figure 516 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:32,200 asking if she'd ever considered becoming a model. 517 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:33,840 Doesn't that sound familiar? 518 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:40,680 Well, after the man had said this, this witness put her finger to her lips as if trying to 519 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:45,540 shush up this repairman who, by the way, Beth was wearing green pants. 520 00:29:45,540 --> 00:29:49,360 The witness had told him that her husband was sleeping in the other room and he needed 521 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:50,760 to be quiet. 522 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:56,920 All of a sudden, the man's demeanor changed to anger and he said he had the wrong apartment 523 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,800 and swiftly left the scene. 524 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,760 Sophie Clark was discovered soon after. 525 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:10,000 How was she seen soon after when he stopped and turned around and left? 526 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:16,460 I believe, Beth, that Sophie had multiple victims living in the same apartment. 527 00:30:16,460 --> 00:30:24,680 I want to say that back bay area was a big trolling point for the Boston Strangler to 528 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:25,680 troll. 529 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:26,680 Okay. 530 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:31,040 Because you'll hear, I think I put in there a couple of times, but this does seem to be 531 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:35,040 his stomping grounds of sorts for lack of better terms. 532 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:36,040 Okay. 533 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:42,720 On December 31st, 1962, Patricia Bessette, age 23, was attacked. 534 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:48,360 Patricia worked as a secretary in an engineering firm and was very outgoing. 535 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:54,280 She lived in the same apartment building as the Boston Stranglers first and seventh victims, 536 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,960 Anna Slussers and Sophie Clark. 537 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:02,120 Patricia's boss became alarmed when she did not show up to work and he went by her apartment 538 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:03,120 to check on her. 539 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,880 I think that's what they used to do back in the day, you know? 540 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:11,640 When Patricia did not answer the door, her boss got a custodian to help him get into 541 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:17,280 the apartment where Patricia was discovered lying on the bed with her covers up to her 542 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,440 neck, looking as if she was just sleeping. 543 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:25,720 However, when they pulled the covers back, they found that Patricia had clearly been 544 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:31,920 strangled with several silk stockings plus a belt that was tied tightly around her neck. 545 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,060 Oh, here's the thing, Beth. 546 00:31:34,060 --> 00:31:39,760 During her autopsy, Patricia was discovered to be in the early stages of pregnancy. 547 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:41,920 That's so sad. 548 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:43,360 That poor lady. 549 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:44,360 I know. 550 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:50,920 And you know, I think at this point too, this is the Boston Stranglers eighth victim. 551 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:56,040 This is the era that women wore pantyhose every day when they're going off to work. 552 00:31:56,040 --> 00:32:03,280 Did the Boston Strangler get his weapon of choice from their negligee drawer or did he 553 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,760 carry silk stockings on his person? 554 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:11,000 That was one of the questions I had for myself when I was reading up on all of this. 555 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,260 Good point. 556 00:32:12,260 --> 00:32:19,600 On March 6th, 1963, Mary Brown, age 69, had been discovered in her apartment. 557 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,360 Here's where things take a little turn, Beth. 558 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:28,840 Typically, when you've got somebody out here doing these terrible, terrible acts, you get 559 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,640 a sense that things are beginning to elevate. 560 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:36,840 You've seen it in different cases where the violence just starts amping up a little bit. 561 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:37,840 Yes. 562 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:42,000 Mary had been discovered in her apartment, beaten and strangled to death. 563 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:47,240 She had shown signs of being stabbed with a fork and blunged with a pipe. 564 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:48,720 Oh my gosh. 565 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:49,720 Yeah. 566 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,280 So things are definitely beginning to escalate here. 567 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:59,560 Now Mary's murder occurred 25 miles outside of the typical Back Bay area. 568 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:05,240 I'm not sure what Albert DeSalvo was doing on that day that Mary was attacked, but he 569 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:11,040 did soon return back to the city where the rest of his alleged crimes occurred. 570 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:17,440 Moving on to victim number 10, 23-year-old Beverly Sammons was a graduate student studying 571 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,600 to become an opera singer. 572 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:25,120 She enjoyed singing in the choir at the Second Unitarian Church in Back Bay. 573 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:31,300 When Beverly missed choir practice on May 6th, 1963, her male friend who had a key to 574 00:33:31,300 --> 00:33:34,560 her apartment left to go check on her. 575 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:38,420 Beverly was discovered just inside her apartment on the sofa bed. 576 00:33:38,420 --> 00:33:40,880 Her hands had been tied up with scarves. 577 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:47,200 Beverly had a cloth stuffed into her mouth and another cloth just laying over her face. 578 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:53,000 Then nylon stocking and two handkerchiefs were more in a decorative style around her 579 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:58,440 neck, likely Beth because of the killer's signature, because the Boston Strangler's 580 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:03,940 attacks are really beginning to elevate and he's becoming violent. 581 00:34:03,940 --> 00:34:09,480 Not only had Beverly been strangled, but she had been stabbed four times in the neck and 582 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,520 22 times in the abdomen. 583 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:16,920 18 of these wounds hit the killer's bullseye right over the heart. 584 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:22,480 This killer had left the knife used in the attack in Beverly's sink before leaving the 585 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:23,480 scene. 586 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:28,880 Now, it's speculated Beth that because Beverly was an accomplished singer, as a matter of 587 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:33,860 fact, she had plans to try out for a professional job at the New York Met that year. 588 00:34:33,860 --> 00:34:39,000 Police believe that the Boston Strangler had a difficult time strangling Beverly, likely 589 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:45,120 due to her strong neck muscles, which could be the reason behind his knife attack in this 590 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:46,120 instance. 591 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,040 That sounds plausible. 592 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:55,840 And obviously the Strangler had to have known her in some form because the handkerchief 593 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:57,200 was in the mouth. 594 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,640 We didn't hear anything about that with any of the other ladies. 595 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:01,640 So true. 596 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:06,720 And he put another cloth over her face and typically when you cover them up, they do 597 00:35:06,720 --> 00:35:07,720 know they're victim. 598 00:35:07,720 --> 00:35:10,000 Wow, you had a good point, Beth. 599 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:17,580 On September 8th, 1963, 50 year old Evelyn Corbin was found also with her panties stuffed 600 00:35:17,580 --> 00:35:21,720 inside her mouth and two silk stockings around her neck. 601 00:35:21,720 --> 00:35:26,840 This crime looked as if someone had come in to rob her because a jewelry tray had been 602 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:32,180 found on the floor and Evelyn's purse had been dumped out on the couch, although nothing 603 00:35:32,180 --> 00:35:33,640 appeared to have been stolen. 604 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:37,000 I mean, you know, he's changing his style here a little bit. 605 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:42,960 Well, that makes me wonder if all of these cases are done by the same person. 606 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:43,960 Yeah. 607 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,960 Because the styles have changed. 608 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:47,960 You're right. 609 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:54,880 And maybe this is one of the reasons why DeSalvo was never specifically pinpointed as the Boston 610 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:59,100 Strangler because the styles are somewhat similar. 611 00:35:59,100 --> 00:36:04,180 Was there a copycat trying to make it look like the Boston Strangler? 612 00:36:04,180 --> 00:36:05,180 You're right. 613 00:36:05,180 --> 00:36:06,180 That's a good thought process. 614 00:36:06,180 --> 00:36:12,560 Now, the Boston Strangler's next victim had somewhat been overshadowed at this time, Beth, 615 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:18,960 when President John F. Kennedy's assassination took place on November 22nd, 1963. 616 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:26,000 23 year old Joanne Graff was discovered the next day on November 23rd, 1963. 617 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:31,600 She had been beaten and found with two silk stockings tied in a bow around her neck. 618 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:36,640 Joanne was religious in her faith and was an industrial designer who was believed to 619 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,480 have been attacked a few days earlier. 620 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:44,760 Joanne did have teeth marks on one of her breasts that had never been seen before. 621 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,360 And that's why I'm saying things are escalating. 622 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:52,640 Just as in Sophie Clark's case, there was a witness in Evelyn's case as well. 623 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:58,240 Because of the Boston Strangler's high activity in the city, a neighbor in Evelyn's apartment 624 00:36:58,240 --> 00:37:03,540 was alerted when he heard somebody in the hallway just outside their door. 625 00:37:03,540 --> 00:37:07,920 When they went to investigate, and I'm going to say likely through the peephole, Beth, 626 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:13,160 because they witnessed a man standing at the door across the hall wearing green pants, 627 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,800 a dark jacket and slicked back hair. 628 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:21,480 I feel like it was the Elvis Presley era where his hairstyle was popular at the time. 629 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:26,200 Albert DeSalvo wore his hair slicked back just like Elvis. 630 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:31,560 The witness had overheard the man in the green pants asking if Joanne Graff lived there. 631 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:37,720 He was redirected downstairs one flight directly below the apartment where he had knocked on 632 00:37:37,720 --> 00:37:38,720 the door. 633 00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:41,720 Clearly, he had to have known who Joanne was. 634 00:37:41,720 --> 00:37:47,680 He knocked on the door asking if that's where she lived, asking by name, and then people 635 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,200 knew each other in the building. 636 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:53,560 So when he was redirected downstairs, he knew who his victim was going to be. 637 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:59,360 Now the eyewitness also heard the man knocking on Joanne's door and her answering it, but 638 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,480 that's about it. 639 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,440 Joanne was discovered deceased a few days later. 640 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:10,520 All right, Beth, we're getting down to our last victim before the attacks stopped. 641 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:17,520 On January 4th, 1964, 19-year-old Mary Sullivan, who was discovered by her roommates as they 642 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,240 returned from work after a long day. 643 00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:24,280 Mary was found inside of her bedroom sitting upright. 644 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:30,240 She had been assaulted and strangled with one silk stocking and two silk scarves. 645 00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:34,960 One of the scarves was bright pink and had been tied up in that signature bow that the 646 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,160 Boston Strangler was known for. 647 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,920 The other scarf was floral and tied up in the same manner. 648 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:48,400 This time, the Boston Strangler left a new calling card, which I find so bizarre, Beth, 649 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,360 like all of his tendencies are changing. 650 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:52,720 They are. 651 00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:59,320 Well, quite literally, he did leave that calling card because at Mary's feet, the Boston Strangler 652 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,960 had left a card that read, Happy New Year. 653 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:03,960 What a creep. 654 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:08,080 I mean, he is truly just playing cat and mouse here at this point. 655 00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,000 Yeah, getting very arrogant. 656 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:11,000 Yes. 657 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:16,720 Well, by now, police were offering a $10,000 reward for any information leading to the 658 00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:19,800 arrest of the Boston Strangler. 659 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:27,200 Let's get back to Albert DeSalvo as a person and his possibility of being the Boston Strangler 660 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:34,840 because at this point, he had not been identified, arrested or charged with being so, which again, 661 00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:35,840 you know what? 662 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,900 I really don't understand because the police always said there was never enough evidence 663 00:39:39,900 --> 00:39:44,980 to charge DeSalvo with these crimes, but he left a lot of evidence. 664 00:39:44,980 --> 00:39:49,640 In my opinion, Beth, I am not a professional, but he did leave some evidence behind. 665 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,760 He had left some bodily fluids. 666 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:57,920 He had left bite marks on one of the victim's bodies, which, you know, they could do a dental 667 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,320 comparison and come up with that. 668 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,120 He left that bloody knife in the kitchen sink. 669 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:09,680 So I realize we are 40 years away from DNA evidence, but blood and tooth mark samples 670 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,080 could have been investigated during that era. 671 00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:13,080 Yeah. 672 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:17,600 I just wish they would have taken this further with it, especially with a tooth mark. 673 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,240 Yeah, because that was some concrete evidence there. 674 00:40:20,240 --> 00:40:26,280 But as of now, we asked the question, why did the Boston Strangler's movements suddenly 675 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:27,720 stop? 676 00:40:27,720 --> 00:40:30,480 Because Albert DeSalvo couldn't help himself. 677 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,400 He was beginning to escalate. 678 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:38,480 He continued to get in trouble with the law, which ended up landing him behind bars for 679 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,540 good soon after Mary Sullivan's death. 680 00:40:41,540 --> 00:40:50,080 By 1964, DeSalvo had found himself convicted of multiple crimes for ongoing assaults, burglaries, 681 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:54,200 and sexual offenses on record, which I did not get into, Beth. 682 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:58,320 I mean, some of them I did as far as the measuring man, the green man. 683 00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,480 But by 1964, he was behind bars for life. 684 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:02,480 That's good. 685 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:03,480 Yeah. 686 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:10,200 And as we know, DeSalvo did like to embellish his crimes, which, by the way, he never did 687 00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:14,520 so when addressing the Boston Strangler attacks. 688 00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:21,400 By 1965, while behind bars, Albert DeSalvo did have time to think about what he had done, 689 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:27,720 whether it was with the Boston Strangler activities or his other actions. 690 00:41:27,720 --> 00:41:33,440 He did proceed to make a jailhouse confession about being the man behind the Boston Strangler. 691 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,200 Beth, guess what? 692 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:36,200 What? 693 00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:37,200 No one believed him. 694 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:38,200 Of course not. 695 00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,400 Liar, liar, pants on fire. 696 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:45,520 I guess if somebody came up to us to confess they were a killer, we'd never believe them. 697 00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:46,520 Yeah, you're right. 698 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:51,920 Well, remember now, DeSalvo was known to tell grandiose stories. 699 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:57,480 But like I said, he always told the truth that he was who the police and news media 700 00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:02,960 said that he was behind the nicknames of the measuring man and the green man. 701 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:08,600 In the case of the Boston Strangler, police were able to corroborate DeSalvo's confessions 702 00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,160 with the crimes. 703 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:16,320 They just didn't have evidence that they needed to charge him in any of these cases. 704 00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:21,200 He seemed like a pretty intelligent person, Beth, because you can credit DeSalvo with 705 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:27,160 keeping one step ahead of the police, especially in the time period that he was active. 706 00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:32,360 But I guess my question here is why did he decide it was time to confess? 707 00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:37,360 I mean, I don't think he had much of a conscience, but you do know that people get a thrill from 708 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:44,360 inserting themselves into sensational cases, even when they are not the one who's responsible. 709 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,280 Yes, exactly. 710 00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:50,840 So did he insert himself because it was a big story at the time? 711 00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:52,160 We'll never know. 712 00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:58,640 After admitting his guilt, the police, his psychiatrist and his appointed lawyer, Mr. 713 00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:04,800 F. Lee Bailey, a celebrated lawyer who, by the way, was assigned to other high profile 714 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,400 cases like Patty Hearst. 715 00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,720 Remember that from episode 63 on Dying to be Found? 716 00:43:10,720 --> 00:43:12,160 Oh, yeah. 717 00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,880 And the infamous O.J. Simpson trial. 718 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:21,200 Lee advised Albert DeSalvo to retract his confession as being the Boston Strangler. 719 00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:22,760 DeSalvo did just that. 720 00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:28,480 He was never charged in any of the cases tied to the Boston Strangler until decades later, 721 00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,440 which I will get to in just a moment. 722 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,880 That sounds very interesting to know why the change. 723 00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:35,880 Yeah. 724 00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:42,040 Well, after Albert DeSalvo was sentenced in 1964 for the crimes that sent him to prison 725 00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:48,560 for life, he was soon housed at Walpole State Prison by 1967. 726 00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:53,640 Walpole State Prison today is known as the Massachusetts Correctional Institute at Cedar 727 00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:54,640 Junction. 728 00:43:54,640 --> 00:44:01,400 DeSalvo was only there for about six years when, unfortunately, Beth, his life ended 729 00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:02,400 prematurely. 730 00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:03,400 Oh. 731 00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,400 You can take that as a sarcastic statement or not. 732 00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:10,440 You know, my dry sense of humor here, but I do. 733 00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:11,480 Mm hmm. 734 00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:17,140 Well, some people believe that criminals like Albert DeSalvo deserve to live a long life 735 00:44:17,140 --> 00:44:23,000 in prison, suffering the consequences of their actions and thinking about it every day. 736 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:26,120 Others believe it's a waste of tax dollars. 737 00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:27,980 I'll let you decide on that. 738 00:44:27,980 --> 00:44:35,280 On November 26th, 1973, DeSalvo died under mysterious circumstances after being stabbed 739 00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,480 to death by an unidentified inmate. 740 00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,000 Or was it a cover up? 741 00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:41,200 We'll never know. 742 00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:46,080 There was never enough information on why or how this stabbing occurred. 743 00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:51,520 DeSalvo seemed to keep to himself, but again, Beth, he liked to play those mind games. 744 00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:56,240 So you never know who had it in for him while he was behind bars. 745 00:44:56,240 --> 00:45:01,720 Maybe they had it in for him because he confessed to being the Boston Strangler and some people 746 00:45:01,720 --> 00:45:04,680 are protective of the females in their family. 747 00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:11,440 Albert DeSalvo died at age 42 without ever being officially identified as the Boston 748 00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,980 Strangler during his lifetime. 749 00:45:13,980 --> 00:45:18,480 This didn't happen until 50 years later in the year 2013. 750 00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,440 Oh, do tell. 751 00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:28,120 Well, Beth, we know that DNA helps solve crimes today, even from cold cases from decades earlier. 752 00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,480 And this case is no different. 753 00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:36,700 In 2013, one of Albert DeSalvo's nephews left a water bottle on a construction site where 754 00:45:36,700 --> 00:45:39,960 police picked it up and had it tested for DNA. 755 00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,280 I mean, okay, I'm sorry. 756 00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:47,360 I do not know what kind of surveillance they were doing on DeSalvo's nephew. 757 00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:51,280 Were they specifically trying to track him because, you know, you watch these shows on 758 00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:57,360 TV where detectives wait for them to throw their water bottle away and then they run 759 00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,080 and grab it and then they perform the DNA. 760 00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:01,080 Yeah. 761 00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:02,080 So imagine that. 762 00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:03,080 That's what they did. 763 00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:04,440 Maybe the family was just uncooperative. 764 00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,720 They were not willing to give their DNA. 765 00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:08,040 That's very strange though. 766 00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:09,560 Yeah, I thought so too. 767 00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:14,500 So if any of our listeners know the answer to that, we are always looking for answers 768 00:46:14,500 --> 00:46:18,680 here on Dying to be Found when Deb can't find the research on it. 769 00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:27,500 Well, DNA samples produced a 99.99% match to 19 year old Mary Sullivan, the Boston Strangler's 770 00:46:27,500 --> 00:46:29,160 last victim. 771 00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:34,960 Police were finally able to connect Albert DeSalvo with the Boston Strangler based on 772 00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,060 semen left at the scene. 773 00:46:37,060 --> 00:46:44,480 So DeSalvo was officially linked to all 13 murders in the Boston area that he had openly 774 00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:49,560 admitted to being responsible for way back in 1964. 775 00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:55,760 Although DeSalvo put off his grandiose stories about his crimes, I always said, Beth, he's 776 00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:57,120 not a liar. 777 00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:03,720 As of today, police officials do believe that Albert DeSalvo is the Boston Strangler, but 778 00:47:03,720 --> 00:47:06,760 family members continue to dispute it. 779 00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:13,360 Now Hulu put out a true crime thriller back in just 2023 that supposedly provides the 780 00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,820 truth behind the Boston Strangler. 781 00:47:15,820 --> 00:47:22,360 This seems to be the most recent tale, so it would likely have updated information including 782 00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:24,120 that DNA evidence. 783 00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:25,360 I mean, I haven't seen it. 784 00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:29,800 I would love to know if you get a chance to look at that or any of our listeners. 785 00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:36,200 But for now, Beth, that's the story of Albert DeSalvo, also known as the Measuring Man, 786 00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,200 the Green Man, and now the Boston Strangler. 787 00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:44,000 Well, that's the icing on the cake for Dine to be Found. 788 00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:49,160 I've been wanting to know the story, the full story about this, so I'm really glad you did 789 00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:50,320 this episode. 790 00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:54,320 I couldn't think of a better episode to start off season three. 791 00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:55,320 I just had to do it. 792 00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,560 I told you for a long time I would do it. 793 00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:59,880 Yes, ever since season one. 794 00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:00,880 Really? 795 00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:01,880 It's been that long? 796 00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:02,880 Yep. 797 00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:03,880 Huh. 798 00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:04,880 Okay. 799 00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:10,600 Don't be asking for any anytime soon because we are only going to once a month episodes. 800 00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:11,760 Okay. 801 00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:16,200 Because you know, I decided to start this other podcast called Insinuation. 802 00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,520 So yeah, go check that one out. 803 00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,280 And Deb, do you have a teachable moment for us today? 804 00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:29,120 Oh, it has been a long time since I have given our listeners a teachable moment. 805 00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:34,400 I know that these crimes occurred back in the era where many people slept with their 806 00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,160 doors unlocked. 807 00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:40,560 But in today's day and age, we know that things have definitely changed. 808 00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:45,640 Today we have home camera systems that are very affordable and most people seem to be 809 00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,160 aware of their surroundings. 810 00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:50,120 I know you are and I know I am. 811 00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:57,460 I guess my teachable moment here, Beth, is just to be diligent with your personal safety. 812 00:48:57,460 --> 00:49:00,000 Invest in those cameras around your home. 813 00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:01,600 Lock your doors. 814 00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,440 Don't answer the door if you're not expecting someone. 815 00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,920 Get a large dog if your living space allows it. 816 00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,960 Because I think that we had an episode where Shelby and I talked about dogs being one of 817 00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:15,000 the best security systems that you can have. 818 00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:19,000 Don't get one of those puny dogs though because they bark at everything and we know the little 819 00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:24,000 boy that cries wolf, you're going to stop listening to that dog at some point in time. 820 00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:30,240 Just do your due diligence in keeping your living space as safe as possible, especially 821 00:49:30,240 --> 00:49:32,920 if you are a woman living alone. 822 00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,120 Take a self-defense course. 823 00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:37,520 Take a firearm safety course. 824 00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:40,040 Take karate or jujitsu. 825 00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:43,240 Be aware of your surroundings and crowded parking lots. 826 00:49:43,240 --> 00:49:48,480 I can't tell you Beth how many times I've been surprised by somebody coming out of nowhere 827 00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,040 as I approach my car in a shopping center. 828 00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:52,880 I know that's happened to you. 829 00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:53,880 Scary? 830 00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:55,640 Definitely scary. 831 00:49:55,640 --> 00:50:01,240 But just be mindful that although we think that we are living in a good world for the 832 00:50:01,240 --> 00:50:06,440 most part, there are still bad people living amongst us who are looking for that right 833 00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,040 opportunity to invade your space. 834 00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:10,800 So that's my teachable moment. 835 00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:15,960 It's a very good one, especially let's look at taking in a self-defense course. 836 00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:20,880 It was mandatory in high school, but I really could use a refresher. 837 00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:27,400 I have never taken a self-defense course, but I have taken a firearms safety course. 838 00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:28,400 Very good. 839 00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:29,400 Yeah. 840 00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:32,000 So anything that you can do to keep one step ahead. 841 00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:38,300 Well, we would love to receive feedback from our listeners on today's storyline or any 842 00:50:38,300 --> 00:50:40,240 of our other episodes. 843 00:50:40,240 --> 00:50:45,580 Be sure to DM us on Instagram or send us an email at dying the number two, the letter 844 00:50:45,580 --> 00:50:47,960 be found at gmail.com. 845 00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:52,880 And Beth, I'm so glad that you were here to join me today because it's always good to 846 00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:54,040 see you. 847 00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:59,720 I know that season three is going to be different this year because I am working with Mary Ann 848 00:50:59,720 --> 00:51:04,360 from the social detective podcast on our new project insinuation podcast. 849 00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,180 Be sure to check that out. 850 00:51:06,180 --> 00:51:11,040 We have had to scale back here a little bit on dying to be found because honestly, not 851 00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:17,320 going to lie, I'm a little busy, but do be looking for new episodes with Beth, Shelby, 852 00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,040 Corey, and myself. 853 00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:23,200 In the meantime, thanks for listening to dying to be found true crime podcast. 854 00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:28,440 We'd love for you to follow us on Instagram, tick tock, Twitter, Facebook, and Pinterest 855 00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:30,220 at dying to be found. 856 00:51:30,220 --> 00:51:34,360 If you have a storyline that you would like to hear, click on the link tree account found 857 00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,860 in our show notes and fill out a storyline request. 858 00:51:37,860 --> 00:51:43,600 Be sure to give us a five star review, which really does help us out in the rankings. 859 00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:49,720 You're supporting us by buying us a coffee at buy me a coffee.com slash dying to be found. 860 00:51:49,720 --> 00:51:51,120 Thanks again, everyone. 861 00:51:51,120 --> 00:52:18,840 And we will talk to you soon.