1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,280 Hi guys, I just wanted to give you a brief intro on what you'll be hearing on Dying to be Found today. 2 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:15,040 My good friend Mary Ann from Social Detective Podcast is taking me on a heartfelt personal 3 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:23,280 journey as we discuss the life of her very good friend Krista Martin. And this is a 34 year old 4 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:31,040 case that without Mary Ann's help, dedication and true love for her best friend, I'm not sure this 5 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:36,400 would have ever been solved. If you're a loyal listener, you'll know that I'm teaming up with 6 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:44,640 Mary Ann as we bring you a brand new docu-series due out this spring in 2024. We're still working 7 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:50,320 hard behind the scenes to bring you a different kind of podcast, but if you can follow us on 8 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:58,080 Instagram and TikTok now, you can find us at Insinuation Podcast. I'm excited and honored to 9 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:04,480 be a part of this and joining forces with Mary Ann is going to be spectacular. We'd love to hear 10 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:11,760 from you now, so be sure to check us out on social media. But for now, enjoy today's episode, which 11 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:18,640 we're calling Solving Krista Martin. Hi everyone, this is Deb from Dying to be Found. Before we get 12 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:24,080 started, I just wanted to say that episodes contain disturbing discussions on harmful acts 13 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:30,240 and crimes against animals and or humankind. Recordings are not intended for young or sensitive 14 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:35,920 audiences due to the content nature of this podcast. Listener discretion is strongly advised. 15 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:48,320 Hey guys, it's Mary Ann, dog mom, baker, true crime podcast maker. What would you do if someone 16 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:57,360 killed your best friend and it's been 33 years and it seems like nobody is doing jack? You would 17 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:04,400 start a podcast and go find the answers yourselves and that's exactly what we're doing here at Crime 18 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:11,920 Scene and Cupcakes. So join us as we look for the answers and also find the answers and some other 19 00:02:11,920 --> 00:02:19,520 unsolved cases as well here in Kansas. You can find us on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, as well as many 20 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:26,800 other platforms. You can also find us on all the social media apps such as Instagram, TikTok, 21 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:35,840 YouTube, you name it, we're there. So come find us. Hey guys, it's Mary Ann, dog mom, baker, true 22 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:43,360 crime podcast maker and today we've got a couple of special things. First is the case that we're 23 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:50,960 sharing. As you guys probably know, it's been all over our social media and we finally have some 24 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:57,520 answers in the case of Krista Martin and we're going to be going into detail about that today. 25 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:04,480 But I could not do this alone. I had to have somebody by my side and I could think of no one 26 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:11,440 better than Deb from Dying to be Found podcast. If you guys aren't aware, it's a true crime podcast 27 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:18,640 and I am a faithful listener. She also has The Dash, which is another really cool true crime podcast 28 00:03:18,640 --> 00:03:25,440 that they do and so I want to thank Deb for joining me today. Hi Mary Ann, I'm so excited to be here. 29 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:30,720 I am so glad to have you here. Again, this is something I could not do on my own so I am so 30 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:37,120 glad to have you here with me during this journey. Well, I'm honored to be here today and of all 31 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:42,720 people, Mary Ann, for you to reach out to me. I'm just so thrilled to be here today to help you 32 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:49,520 share this story. I'm really glad you're here and I know I normally don't have filler. We usually get 33 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:55,600 right into the case, but I did want to share a little bit with our listeners as to what else was 34 00:03:55,600 --> 00:04:02,960 going on, as you guys might have seen on top of having to go to the press conference, which was 35 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:09,120 an honor to be there, but on top of that, it was also Tallgrass Film Festival. As you guys know, 36 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:16,160 there is Baker in my lead-in for a reason because I also have the Cocktail Cupcakes Bakery and we are 37 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:23,680 a huge sponsor of the Tallgrass Film Festival and during the festival, it was just an amazing time. 38 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:31,280 It was a really cool break to be a part of that and I want to thank all of the actors, the filmmakers, 39 00:04:31,280 --> 00:04:38,160 and everyone who came out to support Tallgrass Film Festival. It's a really wonderful thing for 40 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:44,320 Wichita to be a part of and I just wanted to take a moment and thank everyone, the volunteers, and 41 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:50,000 everyone that was a part of that. It was amazing to be a part of that for the last few years and 42 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:55,600 it was just really cool to be a part of. So I wanted to make sure I gave a shout out to that and 43 00:04:55,600 --> 00:05:01,440 Barry Corbin was just so awesome to be able to meet him. So very cool to be a part of that. 44 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:05,040 I love that, Mary Ann. It looked like so much fun. I wish I was there. 45 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:11,280 We talked several times throughout all of that. Deb has been a great support system 46 00:05:11,280 --> 00:05:14,640 and yes, I wish I could virtually have sent her a cupcake. 47 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:18,960 That's okay. I did want to say that you are rocking the pink hair. 48 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:25,920 Yes, the pink has really helped me get through this. Let me tell you, I'm glad I had my Power 49 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:33,920 Pink rock in here. But for those of you who may not be as familiar with Krista's case and also for 50 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:42,480 a lot of people, it's been really hard for me to go back and really talk about the childhood I had 51 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:49,520 with Krista and all of that because it's been so raw and it's been so hard searching for answers. 52 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:54,800 But now that we do have some of the answers, I want to go back and revisit a little bit more 53 00:05:54,800 --> 00:06:01,360 of her case. So I wanted to start where Krista and I started and that was in Haysville, Kansas. 54 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:07,440 And for those of you who may not know, Haysville is a suburb of Wichita, Kansas. Believe it or not, 55 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:15,360 Wichita, Kansas is a big city. In the 70s and 80s, that's when we grew up in Haysville, Kansas. 56 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:22,480 And at that time, Haysville's population was just a little over 6,500 people. The town was 57 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:29,920 so exciting that it was known as the Peach Capital of Kansas. And there were just peach orchards 58 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:37,200 everywhere. And to this day, I still despise peaches. I hate the smell of them. I hate peaches. 59 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:44,160 I hate them. You realize I'm in the peach state, right? Yeah. And I'm so sorry. Yeah. So our house, 60 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:49,760 though, because we were more on the outskirts of Haysville, that's why we were just inundated with 61 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:54,320 the peach orchards. Because we weren't really in the heart of town. We were more on the outskirts 62 00:06:54,320 --> 00:07:00,320 of town. And about a block away from that was this little corner store called the Minning Stop. 63 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:05,680 Everybody knew about the Minning Stop. So we would walk over there and we'd buy our sodas. 64 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:11,600 On top of that, my dad, and as we've talked about growing up in my house, both of my parents were 65 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:17,520 deaf and my dad couldn't hear or speak. And a lot of times he would send us over there to go pick 66 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:23,840 up his Paul Maul cigarettes. And of course, Alice, the woman who worked the counter, she would know, 67 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:28,960 of course, that that was our dad. And so she'd probably get in trouble for that today. But she 68 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:34,720 would get us his cigarettes and we would take the cigarettes. But it was just always what the kids 69 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:41,440 would do. And I come from a family of eight. And Krista had the, there were two kids in that house. 70 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:47,760 So there was just always this huge gang of kids walking over to the Minning Stop, grabbing candy, 71 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:55,920 soda, cigarettes, and walking back to the house. I love that. You and I have the very same experience, 72 00:07:55,920 --> 00:08:00,720 because I did the same thing when I was a kid. I was sent to the corner store to pick up my 73 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:05,040 mother's cigarettes. So yeah, we did all that same stuff too. Isn't that crazy? And now you think 74 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:11,760 about today, people would be just aghast at anybody sending a child to even touch cigarettes. To go 75 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:17,280 get them out of somebody's purse would be just horrible. Oh, yeah. And we were just sent to go 76 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:23,680 buy them. Absolutely. It was just funny. But yeah, a lot of people in that town, of course, being my 77 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:31,280 parents of how they were, just everybody kind of knew my parents. And as kids, kind of how our 78 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:37,840 childhood was different was also our job was to translate for our parents. Do you know sign 79 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:44,000 language? Yeah. So yeah, all of us kids, I mean, that was your job, even at a very young age. 80 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:50,880 We couldn't communicate with our parents if we weren't able to sign. And if my top two signs 81 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:58,320 were always cookie and soda. I remember those like being the number one signs that I was like all 82 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:05,200 over that I wanted a cookie and a soda for my first ones when I was really tiny. Yes, we got 83 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:10,960 older. It was, you know, you knew that you had to learn to sign to communicate with your parents, 84 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:16,640 and you had to learn to sign to help them communicate in the world because otherwise, 85 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:21,040 they weren't going to be able to communicate. So because of that, I mean, everybody knew who 86 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:26,800 we were. And then because my brothers were pretty wild, everybody knew who they were. 87 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:34,720 So my family, it's really interesting as Krista's case has progressed, because even on 88 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:42,080 the recent news, it was out there that everybody knew who my brothers were, but nobody remembers me. 89 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:47,600 Where are you in the mix, Marianne? You said there's eight of you. I am towards the end. 90 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:53,760 I am third from the end. Yeah, I guess if it's whatever the circle is that you're running around 91 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:58,800 with as far as your social circle. And if you're younger, I mean, I can see if the kids are older 92 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:02,800 than that, they may not remember. So don't take too much offense to that. It's really funny, 93 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:09,920 because I was always smacked out with them. I was everywhere they were, but I was this extremely 94 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:17,520 underweight, very gawky. I have had people I've run into now from high school who refuse to believe 95 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:24,560 I am the same person. They do not believe that I'm that girl. I'm making it up. I am another human 96 00:10:24,560 --> 00:10:31,120 being. But yeah, Krista was a year older. Her sister and I were in the same grade, but we 97 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:38,160 didn't socialize at all. But Krista and I, we were both tomboy's. We both wanted to rough and tumble. 98 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:44,560 And she loved hanging out with my brothers. And so yeah, she just kind of got into the mix with them. 99 00:10:44,560 --> 00:10:52,800 And that's more of how we all associated was just always being outside, always being out in the 100 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:59,600 middle of everything. And just always remembered her being there, being a part of everything, 101 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:07,360 and always next door, always outside and always with her cats. We always had dogs, and she always 102 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:15,920 had her cats. She loved Siamese cats. And Siamese cats have a certain way of yelling that cry that 103 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:22,320 they have. It's just a cry you never forget. Siamese cats kind of do the same thing. And so 104 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:30,560 whenever I hear one, I just think of Krista. Oh, yeah, it's just something that's always been with me. 105 00:11:30,560 --> 00:11:35,920 Well, that's a good memory, Mary Ann. I'm glad you brought this up. This is why I feel like 106 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:43,280 I owe her my life. It is the most important memory of Krista. And it's the time that, 107 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:50,320 though there's two memories, but the reason I feel like I owe her my life is we were at a party. 108 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:56,800 And again, I was the nerd. I was, when I say was the nerd, I was very bullied in high school 109 00:11:56,800 --> 00:12:02,560 because our family didn't have a lot of money. So I wore hand-me-down clothes. I was very thin. 110 00:12:02,560 --> 00:12:08,240 And I was horribly bullied. And I just, I felt like such a nerd, but she never treated me that 111 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:16,400 way. I had deaf parents, huge family. My mom had some issues. And she always made me feel seen. 112 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:22,480 But we were at this party. And I just sat there. And yeah, I drank a little bit here and there. But 113 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:26,960 other than that, I still just didn't feel like I was fitting in with the crowd. I was so sick of 114 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:32,720 just feeling like an outsider at this party. And I was like, okay, I want to try some weed because 115 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:37,280 I'm so tired of not fitting in. And so I talked to her and I was like, okay, you're going to show me 116 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:43,920 how to do this. And she went off. Wow. She got mad. She goes, if you ever try drugs, I'm going to 117 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:50,160 kick your butt. You are never going to do this. And then she did go and tell my brother anyway. 118 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:56,880 This was just a moment of where she was just like, absolutely not. I am not going to allow you to 119 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:03,680 even try it. And it stuck with me to a point that any time throughout my life I've ever been thinking 120 00:13:03,680 --> 00:13:09,920 about it in college or anything, it was like Krista. No. And you know, she lost her life. And it was 121 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:16,640 like, how could I ever do that? I love that. There were so many times choices could have been made. 122 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:23,920 And she was that voice in my head going, if you ever do this, I'm going to kick your butt. You are 123 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:29,520 never going to do this. And I always heard you're too smart to do something stupid. I love that 124 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:36,960 saying. Sorry. That's okay. That's a beautiful memory. I love that just little things like that 125 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:42,400 are put in front of you at any given moment. And that's the kind of things, Mary Ann, that keeps 126 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:49,360 Krista alive. And I just don't have words with the stories that I've heard even over the last six 127 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:54,400 months to a year talking with you. This is what we're here for, is to hear all these beautiful 128 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:59,840 stories. Well, and it's definitely been when everything's been coming out this last couple 129 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:08,320 of weeks and people, you know, because I'm not her family, I feel frustrated at times because it's, 130 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:15,280 well, you know, you don't mean the same. You don't understand. And yes, her family is extremely 131 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:22,320 important, but Krista played a huge role in my life in the period she was in it. Sure. Even after 132 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:30,080 she was no longer there, a lot of the choices I made were because of the knowledge she gave me was 133 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:35,360 life could have been so different if she hadn't stopped me that night. She was your role model. 134 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:43,680 That's wonderful. So yeah, and that was definitely something that I try to, I want to impart with all 135 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:51,040 of our cases is even when we get the answers to a case, the victim is so much more than what happened 136 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:58,480 to them. Yes. There's so much that they bring. Yeah, absolutely. Because everybody has different 137 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:05,920 memories, vivid memories, and it's what makes that person their soul. It's their soul that comes out. 138 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:12,400 And when they make an impact like Krista did on you, Mary Ann, she's special. These victims, 139 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:20,320 when something happens to them, they're a real person and it's their soul that is left behind. 140 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:26,160 And, you know, you can interpret that in so many different ways. You can say they're an angel now, 141 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:31,440 or you can just say they really influenced my life. I've heard you say two things here. Krista was a 142 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:38,560 mother figure to you and she was a role model. That in itself is so impactful. But when we are 143 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:43,360 left behind, we're the ones who are suffering because they are where they need to be now. 144 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:48,400 And we're the ones that are left here with a grief that she could impact your life that much. 145 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:56,480 I mean, she did her job and maybe you were her purpose. Yeah, she definitely did. And the way 146 00:15:56,480 --> 00:16:05,200 I've heard things and that was one of the things I wanted to get across with this podcast is as I'm 147 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:15,600 seeing her story or her case shared in the news, I don't want us to lose the person as we share the 148 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:22,800 case. Right. That's something I really want to make sure is we remember her as the person. 149 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:30,320 As we're getting this amazing news that yes, there's the suspect and forensic genealogy is 150 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:37,120 incredible and we don't ever want to forget any of that. But let's remember the person behind 151 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:44,320 all of this who lost their lives. Absolutely. And I have a question for you because we're podcasters. 152 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:51,600 We talk about different cases and victims. So a lot of people out there in the podcast world will 153 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:58,000 say somebody finally got closure. Me personally, I don't like that word because I don't think there's 154 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:04,080 any such thing as closure. I'm asking a personal question here because you're experiencing this. 155 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:10,320 I've never experienced this. I pray I never have to. In terms of that, Mary Ann, would you consider 156 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:16,480 yourself at this point knowing where this case stands? Do you have closure or do you just simply 157 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:22,320 have answers or how would you address that when somebody says, Oh, I'm so glad you have closure? 158 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:28,560 Now it's an interesting question and it's something that throughout my life in my 20 years of history 159 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:35,680 as well and actually being on the personal side, I've had other families say instead of closure, 160 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:42,320 they would say, well, we have an answer. I actually heard Krista's niece say the same thing in an 161 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:48,560 interview. She said, well, we have an answer. And then the first word that popped in my head is 162 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:55,760 we have an answer. I don't feel like there's ever going to be closure. And I know her family right 163 00:17:55,760 --> 00:18:03,040 now, they are wanting to know the why they don't understand, which I think everybody struggles with 164 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:09,040 that. That's a natural response in these kinds of things. You know, I definitely, you never know the 165 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:18,880 why's with any of these type of things, but there is at least a tangible answer of the who. And, 166 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:26,800 you know, with people who have heard what I was dealing with, that was a huge cloud that I lived 167 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:34,400 with of such a hard thing to deal with of who the who might be. And that was something I struggled 168 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:42,960 with a lot. Right. So I'm not completely clear on how deep you have dug into this as far as going 169 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:49,040 out and getting the answers as you yourself, or I'm assuming you're conducting your own investigations 170 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:54,880 through decades. Were you able to piece anybody that you thought might be on the suspect list 171 00:18:54,880 --> 00:19:00,000 or just kind of looking a little closer at somebody? Jake shared a little bit about that 172 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:06,160 in the story and my board, which I do with every case. But since we're going to be in a podcast, 173 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:12,880 I do an investigative board where I compile all the information and the facts of a case. 174 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:20,880 And I also created a cold case investigative checklist. I've submitted a FOIA on Chris's case 175 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:28,000 for the last 10 years. I've never gotten anything, but I have submitted them. But yeah, and as I've 176 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:35,440 tried to also get across in my podcast, I never think it's our job to ever usurp what the police 177 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:42,000 are doing. All I was wanting was any type of information to raise the platform of awareness 178 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:50,640 on Chris's case. But of course, I'm going to have question because this one is more personal to me. 179 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:58,240 And I felt frustration because there was no back and forth information going on this case. Sure. 180 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:07,920 Then I also had my own personal feelings because I did have a sibling who was continuously stating 181 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:15,920 that he had information about the case. And so when that was occurring, that was creating 182 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:23,440 more frustration because I was trying to fact check if any of that was correct. Because yeah, 183 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:28,240 we were giving that information to the police, but we were not getting anything back. 184 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:33,040 So when they're not talking to you though, I mean, that would be part of the investigation. 185 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:38,160 That could actually be detrimental. Don't you think with them getting some information based 186 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:43,280 on what you have handed to them alongside of what they've already investigated themselves, 187 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:49,760 then quite possibly I hear about how people will give police information and then they're chasing 188 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:54,720 all these false leads. And not to say that you've ever had a false lead, but I'm just saying that 189 00:20:54,720 --> 00:21:00,560 you're adding to the stack that they have to investigate just from that one tip. Right. Which 190 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:06,640 yes, completely understand. We're putting that information, you know, where we're doing our 191 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:12,640 due diligence, somebody is saying something and we're giving that to the police department and 192 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:18,800 allowing the police department to vet it and do whatever. But the problem is, is this person is 193 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:28,320 still for 10 years, 20 years, still continuously saying the same things. And you know, as long as 194 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:36,160 you continuously have that in your ear, that's when you decide, okay, I have to do something. 195 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:42,960 I mean, nobody's talking to me. I have this person and this side is telling me one thing. 196 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:50,080 And then I have nothing coming from law enforcement and saying anything. So I need to do something. 197 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:55,760 Well, I don't want to go out there and tell the world that this is what's being said, 198 00:21:55,760 --> 00:22:01,680 because I don't know if that information is true. And I start a platform and take the information, 199 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:08,640 which is just two articles from the Wichita Eagle, and I just keep sharing her story. 200 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,120 When were those articles printed? 201 00:22:11,120 --> 00:22:18,480 1989. And then there was a Crime Stoppers video that was done in 2009. 202 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:22,960 So no news, cold case almost immediately. Correct. 203 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:28,160 How did you find out what happened to Krista? We're going to back up a little bit. When I was 18, 204 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:35,440 Krista had moved out. And when I graduated high school, I had some issues with my family. 205 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:43,520 I've had long term issues with my family. But at 18, it kind of came to a head. And I walked out 206 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:48,560 of my family home. And I walked out with no clothes on my back, no nothing. I just walked out. And I 207 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:56,560 was pretty much homeless for a while. The only person who knew where I was, eventually, was one 208 00:22:56,560 --> 00:23:01,840 of my brothers, who I'm still very close to. He's probably the only family member I'm close to. 209 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:06,720 He pretty much always knew where I was. But I was at the time with my boyfriend, 210 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:14,320 staying with his parents. I'd finally, and I was working on going to school. And my brother, 211 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:19,920 he was already at the house with my ex-husband now, and at the time was my boyfriend. But let me tell 212 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:25,680 you, he has the best or had the best mom. She's passed away. But his mother was the most amazing 213 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:30,720 mother in the world. I have never met a more amazing... I wish she had been my mom. She was 214 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:35,920 the most amazing mother, grandmother. She's the most incredible human being on the face of this 215 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:41,760 earth. Her name was Suzy. And she was incredible. But my brother was there talking to her. And we 216 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:48,080 get there. And my brother is in the kitchen and tells me that Krista had been murdered. 217 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:55,280 And my first thought was BTK, because BTK had been active at that time. And my first thought was, 218 00:23:55,280 --> 00:24:00,800 oh, my God. And my brother just right off the gigo was like, I don't think so. Yeah, he's like, 219 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:05,600 I just don't think that was it. It seems like this is probably somebody she knew. 220 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:11,920 It became something. And he tells me what happened. He had been close, and he still is close with 221 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:19,680 Krista's family. He had kind of shared a lot with me. And his next question was, OK, we need to go 222 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:25,440 to our funeral. I need you to kind of pull yourself together. And we need to do this. And our family is 223 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:31,920 more of a straightforward kind of OK. This is what we need to do. And yeah, so at that moment, 224 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:39,680 it was just... And then I remember him leaving. And I just sat on their kitchen floor. I cannot 225 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:46,720 tell you how long I was there. I cannot tell you what happened next. All I know is Suzy somehow 226 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:52,000 saved me. And that's all I can tell you. She got you through it. I remember her finding me a dress, 227 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:57,280 because I remember I had hardly anything. She got me a beautiful black dress. We had to put safety 228 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:05,520 pins in, beautiful black velvet dress. She supported me in a way I just I wasn't used to. 229 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:12,560 I remember my brother and I going to the funeral. And again, I wasn't close with Krista's family. 230 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:18,800 But my brother had gone up and he had gone and talked to them. And then afterwards, I remember 231 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:25,680 us going to dog and shake. But I will tell you, most of it is just I was in a complete fog. I just 232 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:31,760 could not believe any of it was actually true. I didn't believe it was true. I did not believe it. 233 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:39,600 For a good first few months, I kept denying that this was not actually happening. This was not real. 234 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:44,240 This is somebody else. This is not it. It's not real. 235 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:50,400 At what moment did that take a turn? Because you know, you have several stages of grief, 236 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:55,600 and denial is one of them. But at what point did that turn and you decided that you were going to 237 00:25:55,600 --> 00:26:01,520 do something about it? Because Mary Ann, you've spent the last 34 years helping to solve this case. 238 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:08,320 It took a good year. I was just driving along one day. And I got a hold of my brother and I said, 239 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:13,760 okay, where exactly is her grave located? I got to go there right now. And just out of the blue, 240 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:19,840 I was just like, I got to go there. I went there. And I just kind of sat down. And I was like, okay, 241 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:24,240 now we got to solve the problem. That's when I was like, okay, so we got to fix this now. 242 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:30,320 And so I just sat down. I talked to her for a while. And I said, okay, I said, we got to make a 243 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:36,080 plan. We got to fix this. I said, I don't want to tread on your family. I don't want to, you know, 244 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:41,120 bother anything with them. And I said, but we got to figure out how to fix this. So I just sat there 245 00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:47,040 and I said, okay, so I need to start making some decisions in my life. So I started going through 246 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:53,920 and making decisions on where I was going. At the time I was working in the medical field, 247 00:26:53,920 --> 00:27:00,880 you know, I kind of knew where I was going and what I was doing. And I just knew that I wanted to 248 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:06,160 make a difference, but I always wanted to do something that could help with this. 249 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,040 Is that why you went into law enforcement? 250 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:14,560 Yeah, I think actually my brother was probably the biggest driving force of that. But I would say, 251 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:23,680 yeah, she was a big piece of that as well. I wanted as much knowledge as possible to be able to help. 252 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:25,120 Sure. 253 00:27:25,120 --> 00:27:32,720 I knew I could never work on her case, obviously, but I wanted to gain as much knowledge as possible. 254 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:39,520 I always found it interesting how BTK was so active in our town and right off the bat, 255 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:45,600 we all just had that feeling that, nope, it just wasn't it. Yet people were speculating out there. 256 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:53,680 We all just knew it wasn't him. We all knew it. Yeah. So it was, it was like all of that. And I 257 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:58,560 just did things quietly, but my brother knew, I mean, I was calling the Sedgwick County Forensic 258 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:04,560 Science Center throughout the years, trying to get information. Once I advanced on my degree, 259 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:09,680 I tried to quietly try to get them to give me information. Well, no, we're not going to do 260 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:15,680 that without a FOIA where I don't care who you are. I would always try to see if anybody would 261 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:21,120 give me anything and nope. And that just slowly throughout the years, I always tried to do that. 262 00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:27,840 I'm thinking you did a lot of this on your own time. You had a full-time job. You had other things 263 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:32,800 that you were responsible for and you just did this in your spare time. Yeah. No, I always did 264 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:39,360 all of it in my spare time. I always tried to see who was talking to who. And also I think why a lot 265 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:45,520 of people have a hard time remembering that I existed was I was in Wichita, but then I moved 266 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:51,760 to Virginia for my job. And so I lived on the East coast and I lived in Virginia, then I lived in 267 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:58,880 Connecticut, then I lived in Miami, and then I come back to Wichita. So I was off of everybody's 268 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:04,800 radars for a while. I mean, I was still calling here. I was still checking in. My brother, 269 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:09,920 we have so many messages between the two of us of where I'm like, okay, where are we at with this? 270 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:17,280 Have you talked to her family? Has her family done this? When they did the Crime Stoppers in 2009, 271 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:21,600 I had sat there and I'd found out about it. I didn't get to see it because I wasn't in Wichita. 272 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:28,480 I heard you say your brother was also helping out with this. Were you guys a dynamic duo for 273 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:33,120 this entire process? Because I don't think I've heard that piece before. I even tried to get him 274 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:40,160 to come on cake because he tries to act like, oh no, there is nothing I would have been able to do. 275 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:45,920 The pictures of Krista that we do have that we didn't have earlier, because Krista's family 276 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:51,360 initially wasn't real forthcoming with pictures. And I would go back and go, John, can you get a 277 00:29:51,360 --> 00:30:00,160 hold of them and do this for me? John, I need you to do this. John, and this guy could work magic. 278 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:05,760 Wow. And I was like, I need to know what she was driving at the time. I need you to go get that 279 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:12,080 information. He would come back. Boop, boop, boop. I had it. Wow. I need to know who saw my brother 280 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:18,240 at the prison last. Boop, boop, boop, boop. I had it. I mean, so yeah, there is no, Mary Ann was 281 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:24,720 completely alone on this. Okay. And you didn't even have to hire a private investigator because 282 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:31,760 you already had one in the family. Yeah, I had my brother John who just has the taco tico in Oklahoma, 283 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:40,560 and he has this infectious personality that people will do anything for him. I mean, he is literally 284 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:46,720 the nicest man in the world. I love that. He's always been there for me as well. I mean, when 285 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:52,960 everybody else in the family is just horrible human beings, he is the most incredible, kindest 286 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,880 human being you would ever meet. In fact, I asked him, I said, are you going to drive up for the 287 00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:04,720 press conference? And he's like, Oh, no, I'm too old for that. Tell me at what point in time did 288 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:11,200 the investigators contact you because this has been all over the news in the last, what, 10 days? 289 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:18,480 How did they approach you? Who called you? I'm going to use a term that Sergeant Matthew Lynch 290 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:24,880 uses. And it's one of my favorite ones. Let's get to the meat on the bone. Hannah King with Cake News 291 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:30,880 has been working with me on this. We decided we were going to do an anniversary special for 292 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:37,520 Krista's anniversary of when her body was discovered on October 2nd. And we decided it several months 293 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:43,440 ago. We really wanted to get as many people involved in it because there just hasn't been 294 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:50,640 much on Krista's case. Hannah is probably one of the most amazing cold case advocates out there. 295 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:57,840 This woman is an amazing journalist and she does wonderful work. The Ernie Ortiz case from Garden 296 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:04,560 City, Kansas, we both covered that case as well. And this woman does amazing work with these cases. 297 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:11,600 And she does it with so much heart. You can tell she is doing it with the desire to get these cases 298 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:17,920 closed. When we did this and we decided to do this, she is not going to go up to the detective one 299 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:23,840 time and say, oh, can you please talk to me and go away? She is going to go after it. So we decide 300 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:31,120 to do this. And she's like, okay, the family has not talked about this case. I am frustrated. I want 301 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:37,120 the family to talk about Krista. Why are they not talking about Krista? Yeah, that's a great question. 302 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:44,880 I don't know. So I go to my brother, John, why is the family talking about Krista? All of us start 303 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:50,880 asking the family, why are you not talking about Krista? Then she starts going to the detectives 304 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:56,880 and starts asking them, why aren't you talking about Krista? And we start just bombarding them 305 00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:06,160 months ago. Wow. And I mean bombarding them. Then I decided to do this. I can see, but can you tell 306 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:12,240 our listeners what you just showed me? For those who may not know, my natural hair color is actually, 307 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:19,680 I'm a bright red headed ginger, but I decided when I retired, I wanted to be a dark brunette. 308 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:28,320 Then I decided recently to dye the ends bright pink. And they look fabulous. We decided to do 309 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:34,080 that for a reason after talking to Hannah King. When Hannah and I talked, we knew we were going 310 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:42,400 to start door knocking in the neighborhood where Krista was murdered. Wow. We also knew I was going 311 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:49,520 to do the interview out in the street where Krista was murdered. I wanted to draw as much 312 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:57,760 attention to what we were doing because I was so tired of being quiet. I was tired of being 313 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:05,600 silenced. I was tired of nobody listening to me except for the people of our wonderful listeners 314 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:12,960 outside of Wichita. I wanted to get Wichita's attention. I wore the brightest pink suit I could 315 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:19,920 find. If you check out the shoes, if you watch the news, they are glitter shoes. I look like a disco 316 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:25,440 ball. I did see the suit, but I did not notice the shoes. I'm going to have to go look that up. 317 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:31,680 So I'm about as bright as you could get. So we did the interviews and we started knocking on 318 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:36,160 doors in the neighborhood. We wanted to make sure everybody knew we had been there. 319 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:41,600 Now, too, if you don't mind me asking, was that Krista's favorite color pink? 320 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:47,120 No. And that's actually a point of contention. It's my favorite color. Her favorite color was blue, 321 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:52,960 but I would get angry every time I would go visit her grave and see pink flowers because I knew 322 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:57,840 that's her sister's favorite color. And I'm like, that's not Krista's favorite color. A little point 323 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,760 of contention there. Krista's favorite color is blue. That's why I always have the blue and the 324 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:09,120 yellow hearts whenever I talk about Krista. Okay. Pink is my power color. It makes me feel good. And 325 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:15,680 I wanted to get attention. Actually, when I was at Talgrass, one of the security guys went walking 326 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:21,600 by and he goes, oh my God, I just saw some boots at another interview and it made me think of you 327 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:26,240 because they were all glittery and he goes, I knew the cupcake lady needed to have them. 328 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:32,320 You're leaving an impression on people you don't even know you're leaving an impression on. That 329 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:41,200 is phenomenal. That's what I want. I want people to remember me. Yes. And so what was so incredible 330 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:46,720 is we did this. The cameraman, the producer and the cameraman ended up doing a still of the two 331 00:35:46,720 --> 00:35:52,640 of us in front of the house. And it was a very emotional moment. And he sent that picture. And 332 00:35:52,640 --> 00:36:00,000 I decided to post it on our social media and tag the location and tag the news station and all of 333 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:06,800 that within hours, we started getting phone calls from the Wichita police department. And I got a 334 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:14,000 message from the family. This case had been solved already. Wait, you posted all of that on social 335 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:20,240 media and it took you to do that before they would even just come straight out to say we've solved 336 00:36:20,240 --> 00:36:27,680 it. It's been solved for months. The case had been solved since June. Are you kidding me? I am not. 337 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:34,800 And it was your social media and your activity that brought this to light in the last 10 days 338 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:40,560 with the press release. Yes. And I did talk to family to see if I could get permission to discuss 339 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:47,120 this. They had decided that they were just going to quietly remove her cold case and put out 340 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:54,560 a new story later about it and just do a press release. But because of our obnoxious activity, 341 00:36:54,560 --> 00:37:00,880 we ended up making the poor FBI fly all the way out here. And I'm like, damn straight, 342 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:10,000 Krista deserves a parade. All for a good cause. And so yeah, and a king. Yeah. Yeah. Hannah was 343 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:18,080 actually, she had just pulled away from cake. And that's actually part of the news story is you see 344 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:25,040 her on the speakerphone and she's just like, what? We had just pulled away from everything. I decided 345 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:34,000 I was going to be as loud in color as I could. And we got their attention. And your partner in crime 346 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:40,400 there, not only John, your brother, but Hannah, the reporter. And that does bring up a point real 347 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:46,080 quick that we did talk about before. It's the lack of communication that we had to go to that point. 348 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:52,720 If you've had that information since June and okay, if you had it, why couldn't you at least say, 349 00:37:52,720 --> 00:37:58,880 you know, we have some information that we can possibly be sharing. Why couldn't you have put 350 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:05,120 something out or why couldn't they have answered? I mean, I posted a million things on social media 351 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:09,680 and that was one thing Hannah King had actually shown. And I don't know if you, 352 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:15,760 anybody had seen that she did a thing where she showed blueberry and myself on tick tock. 353 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:22,720 And it was every tweet I ever tagged them involving Krista. She showed every tweet I ever tagged the 354 00:38:22,720 --> 00:38:26,640 Wichita police. And it was just boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, 355 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:33,920 on top of one another. And there was so many just stacked. That is amazing. And I wonder too, 356 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:39,280 while you were talking, I was just kind of thinking to myself, all right, they're not giving Mary Ann 357 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:45,920 the answers that she's looking for. But then does Mary Ann have the right to answers because you're 358 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:50,560 not a family member? Have you ever been told that you are not a family member? We don't have to give 359 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:56,800 this information to you. That's something that I have a problem with. Why do family members, why are 360 00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:04,240 they the only ones with the right to gatekeep? If we go to that point, if we say family members are 361 00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:13,520 the only ones that can gatekeep, what happens to people in same sex relationships? How is that fair 362 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:19,280 to anybody? And yes, I'm going to get on my soapbox. And if you listen to my podcast, you know, 363 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:26,720 I do this. Here's my problem. You asked me for a story about Krista and I can share with you 364 00:39:26,720 --> 00:39:33,920 a handful of them. When Krista's family was asked in the news conference for a story about Krista, 365 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:40,800 they couldn't share one. Who has the right to know what's going on with her case? 366 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:45,840 Great question to be brought up in front of Congress. What did they say at the press conference? 367 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:51,360 So when I walked into the press conference, they had a timeline up there of the entire 368 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:58,880 investigation of Krista's case. And I'll have that timeline on our social media. It showed how from 369 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:09,520 1990 to 1992, DNA from Krista's case was sent to the FBI, but it didn't have any positive results. 370 00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:16,400 What that essentially means is that they had the DNA, they extrapolated the DNA, but they ran it 371 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:22,400 through CODIS and they weren't able to have any hits or anything from that DNA. And especially 372 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:28,000 during that time period, because they didn't have the advanced DNA techniques and they sent it to 373 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:34,480 the FBI because the FBI has more advanced forensic techniques than what they had here in Wichita. But 374 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:43,360 even with that, they weren't able to narrow down any DNA profile. Now things began to shift in 2009 375 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:49,520 and authorities were able to start ruling out potential leads. That in turn motivated 376 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:56,960 investigators to go to the Sedgwick County Forensic Science Center in order to develop a DNA profile 377 00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:03,120 and a new suspect. They couldn't do anything with the first profile, so they decided to try again. 378 00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:10,320 Right. And so our Sedgwick County Forensic Science Center, it is definitely the advanced hub. 379 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:19,520 It is where our corner is at. It is an amazing place. It is built up actually, so there is a 380 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:26,720 gigantic garage too where we have actually pulled airplanes into it and unloaded bodies, because we 381 00:41:26,720 --> 00:41:32,400 are the air capital of the world. And unfortunately, really bad things have happened. It has become one 382 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:41,200 of the most advanced forensic labs now. And Dr. Stedman there is absolutely incredible. But from 383 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:48,000 the press conference, the investigators then stated that the Wichita Police Department had positively 384 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:55,040 identified the person who had sexually assaulted and murdered Krista more than 30 years ago. 385 00:41:55,680 --> 00:42:01,200 From the new DNA profile. Right. But I was able to find out later what they did is the Sedgwick 386 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:07,600 County Forensic Science Center had worked with author. We all know author is the family genealogical 387 00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:14,480 tree. So what the detective was able to do working with author is they were able to go through the 388 00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:22,240 family genealogy and they built it down to choose family members. They had to go to Maryland. They 389 00:42:22,240 --> 00:42:28,240 had to go to Arkansas. They went to Tennessee. So these detectives did a fair amount of traveling 390 00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:34,320 to try to narrow it down between these two brothers. And I've had a lot of people come back to me going, 391 00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:40,720 well, are you sure that they're right? And once you go through and you actually look at how well 392 00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:48,320 that they identified and narrowed down their subject pool, I am 100% confident that they got 393 00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:56,240 the right person. What they found is this person, his name was Paul Hart. Not only that they were 394 00:42:56,240 --> 00:43:04,560 able to see that this guy lived just six houses away from Krista. So her house was on one block. 395 00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:11,200 He lived behind her and six houses down from her. Okay. And so far what we've been able to figure 396 00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:18,320 out though is it almost seems like either if he knew her, he had to have just met her. Now she 397 00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:24,240 had gone to the Bartoto's there recently. So don't know if he might've met her there or she had been 398 00:43:24,240 --> 00:43:30,800 outside. They ran into each other or something like that. I'm just thinking they probably didn't 399 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:37,120 find obviously much evidence at the scene with his DNA on it or anything that showed that he could 400 00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:41,200 have been there. Like he left nothing behind. No, they are able to actually find quite a bit of 401 00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:47,120 evidence from him. The thing is though, it doesn't appear that he committed a whole lot of other 402 00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:53,120 crimes because there was nothing else in Kodak's. And to build out, is he a sexual predator? Is this 403 00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:59,680 something he's done before? To build out any type of behavioral profile, you don't know. 404 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:03,920 True. Because this is a long time before DNA when the case initially came out. 405 00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:11,920 Right. Trying to establish victimology of how their paths might've intersected. But Krista had 406 00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:18,720 written, I mean, she was an active writer. She had active correspondence with people and never once 407 00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:25,840 had she ever mentioned this person in any of her correspondence. Oh, so that speaks volumes. Yeah. 408 00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:33,920 So if she did meet him, it would have had to have been within that very close period of time. But 409 00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:39,280 it's one of those things of you can't a hundred percent rule out that she never knew him and it 410 00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:46,800 was a completely spontaneous crime. But the fact that she knew him, it was a planned out crime by 411 00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:54,800 him or that they had any type of romantic involvement is very doubtful. It's more of 412 00:44:54,800 --> 00:45:00,880 thinking that he probably took advantage of a situation when she was coming home and he saw 413 00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:07,120 her outside or something like that is more what the detectives think probably happened. 414 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:15,360 Okay. So a victim of convenience. Yeah. Or circumstance. Okay. Yeah. Now they still 415 00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:22,320 haven't been able to find, they never were able to find the weapon that was used in the crime. 416 00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:28,720 And it was asked if they were ever going to try to find it or anything like that. And they said, 417 00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:35,120 there's no way after all of this time, where is Hart now? Are they pressing charges against them? 418 00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:44,720 Hart had left town shortly after Krista was murdered and he went to Tennessee. He was involved 419 00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:52,000 in a car accident and passed away. Wow. And when was this? That was in about a year after he 420 00:45:52,000 --> 00:46:01,360 murdered Krista. Okay. Well, um, karma. Yeah. A lot of people have posted it's karma. And on one hand, 421 00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:08,320 a lot of people have been, well, you know, it's too bad, but my thought process is predators who 422 00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:15,600 commit sexual assault, that's generally not the only assault they ever do. That's given me actually 423 00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:20,720 some measure. And I know people think I'm weird, but in my podcast, I've said several times that 424 00:46:20,720 --> 00:46:26,400 that not knowing if that person has is still out there hurting another human being, it's been 425 00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:32,640 something that's weighed on me so much. And knowing that that person shortly after committing that 426 00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:40,720 crime was stopped by whatever is out there was an incredible moment of knowledge for me. That is 427 00:46:40,720 --> 00:46:48,400 something I have held on my heart from somebody who's seen countless victims and seen people get 428 00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:55,360 by a perpetrator who has gone on these cold cases for so long. And that person has hurt somebody 429 00:46:55,360 --> 00:47:02,480 else. That has been something that has torn me inside for so long. Oh, sure. You need to do me 430 00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:09,760 a personal favor here. And you got to promise me now. Okay, I'll try. I don't want you going 431 00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:16,480 and looking up anything further on what happened to Paul Hart, anything that had to do with that 432 00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:21,200 accident that he was in. You don't need to know that. You just need to know that he is off this 433 00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:27,280 earth for a reason. What if I've already sent people out to look for it? John, you need to 434 00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:33,200 come on back home and do not listen to your sister any longer. Case closed. Well, it's not John. 435 00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:40,960 Oh, wow. If you got to have that answer, then get that answer. But then we're going to put this to 436 00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:47,680 rest. Then we'll put it to rest. Okay. So you'll keep us updated. Yes. Well, it's been a question 437 00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:53,920 a lot of people have had. And unfortunately, they know me and they know that I can... Because the 438 00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:58,720 police have been unwilling to even share a picture of him. Do you really need to know what he looks 439 00:47:58,720 --> 00:48:03,040 like? I don't. The family would like to know. Well, they can hire a private investigator. They 440 00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:07,840 should pay you. Okay, we'll go with that. You've done enough. All right. I'll let you have that 441 00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:15,680 one. Okay. But that was a huge, probably the thing that has worn on me. And I will tell you, 442 00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:21,920 the other thing is having a family member who has interfered with this case a little bit. The other 443 00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:29,360 thing I've been dealing with is my anger of knowing how much they've lied just to get into people's 444 00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:37,520 heads about this. Therapy is a wonderful thing. It is. If you are in crisis, if you ever need 445 00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:44,880 someone to talk to, please, it's not an admission of having any weakness, any problems. Therapy is 446 00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:51,040 there for wonderful reasons. Please reach out. There's an amazing crisis line as well. Please 447 00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:56,480 reach out for help if you ever feel like you're struggling. You are not alone. Very good advice 448 00:48:56,480 --> 00:49:02,640 to live on, Mary Ann. I just want to take us back for just a moment and just remind everybody that 449 00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:10,800 on October 2nd of 1989, Krista Martin was found beaten to death in her apartment at 506 South 450 00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:17,600 Osage near Maple and Sycamore. The Wichita Police Department cold case records stated she had been 451 00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:23,440 struck in the back of the head with a blunt object. That object had never been found. Initial efforts 452 00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:29,760 included the collection of DNA evidence, although at the time, DNA testing and CODA systems were not 453 00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:35,760 available. However, in all of the articles, they had never stated DNA evidence was ever collected. 454 00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:42,240 Lieutenant Mike McKenna was who was quoted in all of the articles, and he had stated right from the 455 00:49:42,240 --> 00:49:49,920 beginning in the Wichita Eagle, this is going to be a difficult case to solve. I don't know if we're 456 00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:55,440 ever going to get closure. I have always wondered about Lieutenant Mike McKenna. I've always been 457 00:49:55,440 --> 00:50:02,240 frustrated with Lieutenant Mike McKenna. I have followed every career Lieutenant Mike McKenna has 458 00:50:02,240 --> 00:50:09,840 ever had, and it was after this press conference that I found out Lieutenant Mike McKenna was only 459 00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:17,200 a patrol officer outside of her case and had no direct dealings with Krista Martin's case. I am 460 00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:24,080 very frustrated that the Wichita Eagle would take direct quotes from Lieutenant Mike McKenna, and 461 00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:29,920 that would be the only information that would be available on Krista Martin's case for almost 20 462 00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:36,560 years that the rest of us would have to look at. Journalists do better. Wichita Police Department 463 00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:42,400 do better in communicating on cold cases because other families are listening, other loved ones 464 00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:47,520 are listening. We care about those who have lost their lives. We're going to continue on our 465 00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:53,760 platforms and look for information. We're going to continue to support you in every way possible 466 00:50:53,760 --> 00:51:00,240 to help find the information and to get those tips into your tip lines. But do better and help us 467 00:51:00,240 --> 00:51:07,040 help you. Now I'm done. Those were beautiful words, Mary Ann. Words to live by and definitely 468 00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:13,120 excellent advice for authorities out there who are working cold cases and then have people like you 469 00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:19,600 that are just doing this on their own time. So you have done amazing things, Mary Ann, and I applaud 470 00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:27,200 you. I cannot speak more highly of somebody that I have gotten to know just in such a short period 471 00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:32,800 of time, but you are the reason why podcasters are out there trying to make a difference. You 472 00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:38,880 yourself started your own podcast in Krista's memory. I just hope that you keep this going 473 00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:45,600 because you definitely need a big round of applause for this. So thank you so much for 474 00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:50,160 everything that you did for Krista. Are we going to talk about it? Are we going to talk about it? 475 00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:55,040 Should we talk about it? Are we going to talk about it? Should we talk about the elephant in the room? 476 00:51:55,040 --> 00:52:00,560 You know what? You're a great talker. I'm going to let you do the elephant in the room because I just 477 00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:06,880 wanted to say that you are phenomenal and I think you need to keep things going. Well, this has 478 00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:15,040 inspired me that I think obviously chasing a case for 34 years and seeing that people listen. You 479 00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:23,200 can make a difference. I enjoy talking to Deb so much that I never want to stop. I want to keep 480 00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:31,440 the conversation going. So Deb and I have decided to just keep it going. And so the social detective 481 00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:38,160 has done its job. It has done what it needed to do and we have found justice for Krista. And now 482 00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:45,360 we want to help others and I need to rest my voice sometimes and talk to somebody else because I'm 483 00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:53,280 tired of shouting at the wall. So Deb and I are starting on a new endeavor together. Yes, Maryann 484 00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:59,920 and I have been talking for a couple of weeks now and like she said, she has done everything for 485 00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:06,640 Krista that she could do. And there are just no words that we do have answers to this case. And 486 00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:13,040 myself, I've been looking at different avenues with my own podcast Dying to be Found, but what 487 00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:20,720 better way than to partner with Maryann then start a new one that will be out coming soon to a podcast 488 00:53:20,720 --> 00:53:29,520 near you. Be looking for social media for the new podcast called Insinuation. And that is a docu 489 00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:35,600 series with Deb and Maryann. Yeah, we will be diving in and you'll have to see what we're going 490 00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:41,840 to be insinuating about. Absolutely. So we'll leave it there and we'll leave that for your 491 00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:48,720 imagination. But Maryann, thank you so much for letting me be a piece of this. So many good 492 00:53:48,720 --> 00:53:55,680 thoughts to you. And all I can say is I wish I knew Krista the way you do. May she rest in peace. 493 00:53:55,680 --> 00:54:00,560 Thank you. I think she will now and I'm so glad. 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