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Hi, I'm Marti and I'm Effie and we are Mums Mysteries and Murder.

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We're mums obsessed with true crime and mysterious happenings in our respective countries, Australia

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and Scotland.

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We talked about it all the time so we thought screw it, let's record that shit and we started

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a podcast.

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Each month we bring you an episode from either Scotland or Australia, both well known and

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less well known.

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And we might talk about some other stuff in between too.

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So if you love a bit of true crime, weird accents, you love a mystery and you don't

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mind a bit of random chat in between, then this is the podcast for you.

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You can come and follow us on Instagram at Mums Mysteries and Murder and listen and subscribe

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where you get your podcasts.

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Bye!

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Hi everyone, this is Deb from Dying to be Found.

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Before we get started I just wanted to say that episodes contain disturbing discussions

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on harmful acts and crimes against animals and or humankind.

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Recordings are not intended for young or sensitive audiences due to the content nature of this

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podcast.

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Listener discretion is strongly advised.

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Hi everyone, this is Deb, your host from the True Crime Podcast.

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Dying to be Found and Dying to be Found the Dash.

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Every week I bring a different family member in, but today you get to dash in and join

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me with a special guest.

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Marty from Mums Mysteries and Murderers is here to introduce her own True Crime Podcast.

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Unfortunately her partner Effie could not be here today, but I do encourage you to hang

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in there because Marty definitely brings you up to speed on what's going on in her neck

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of the woods.

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So Marty, welcome.

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I'm so excited you're here with me today.

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Thank you for having me.

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It's very exciting being a guest on a podcast, especially today because it's International

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Podcast Day today.

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I didn't even know that.

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That's amazing.

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What do you say?

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Happy International Podcast Day.

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To both of us.

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You and I have been talking for a couple months.

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I'm currently in my second season and to be honest, Marty, I don't know if you understand

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how hard it is for me to do the dash by myself.

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I'm a people person.

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I love talking with others.

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So when I reached out to you, I was so excited that you said that you would be here today.

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Well, since I listened to all sorts of podcasts, I thought, wouldn't it be great to invite

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some of my favorite podcasters on an episode of the dash and that's where you come in.

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I have a special shout out to my own podcast family.

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I've gotten such a great response for guests to be here on the dash.

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So Marty, that means you're part of my podcast family.

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I always say when I am listening to your podcast, I feel like I'm in the room with you.

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house and I really do feel like you and Effie are just having just a conversation together

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and you really, really pull me into that.

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That's why I like your podcast so much.

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Oh, thank you so much for saying that.

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we're just having a cup of coffee and they're in the room with us.

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It's really, really lovely to hear because it doesn't feel forced then.

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How did you and Effie meet?

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So what about the fact that one, you're going to start a podcast and why True Crime?

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interest in True Crime through like Stephen King, like lots of horror things and things

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like that when I was younger and just, you know, having a slight interest.

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about that woman that was, you know, whatever had happened.

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know, like about something happening in Russia or like a man's foot was found here.

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Have you heard about this one?

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You've got to go listen to this podcast.

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nothing about podcasting myself.

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We won't really tell anyone about it.

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We'll just tell you what happens.

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Why don't you tell people that you have a podcast?

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I got you.

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At the beginning, it was very uncomfortable listening back because as you know, everyone

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that does a podcast, I'm sure you feel the same listening back and trying to edit yourself

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The cool thing is I can edit that out.

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You probably will not.

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She's way more comfortable talking about it now.

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And like, I even bring it up at networking events and mentioned to people.

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You should have you seen an increase in your listener base?

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It's like the word starting to come out.

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I think it's just such a slow burn with podcasting as well.

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And two years we're actually at the point where we're meeting people that listen to

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the podcasts that don't know us, which is unbelievable.

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That feels unbelievable to me that like we're meeting people in Edinburgh that have listened

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to our podcasts and like know who we are now.

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I had somebody at work come to me in case you listeners don't know I'm actually a teacher

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in real life.

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And I had a student come to me about two weeks ago and he out of the blue just said, my mom

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listens to you and loves your podcast.

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I thought that was really cool.

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hundreds of thousands of podcasts to choose from.

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It's all you can ask for, isn't it?

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Well, all you can ask for is for anyone to listen, to be fair.

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So what does your family think of you doing a true crime podcast?

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Do you know, I've not really thought about that.

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been the person on it.

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She would have been calling me and saying, oh, when's the next episode?

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the Lindsay Chamberlain thing with the Dingo and the Zaria Chamberlain.

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Now I have not heard that in a long time.

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I absolutely know the story that you're talking about.

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at Lindsay Chamberlain saying she's a baby murderer.

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She's killed her own baby.

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There's no way she's killed that baby.

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the obsession people have with true crime.

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It's come to surface.

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They don't all listen.

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They don't listen to it.

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The oldest messages me all the time and says, Oh my God, I loved that episode about whatever,

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whatever.

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I think some of them, because they're older as well, they don't really get the whole podcasting

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It's not really their thing.

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But yeah, I mean, she loves it.

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You had mentioned you've got a ton there in your library.

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So I listen to, I do listen to a lot of marketing ones because I'm a digital marketer in my

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I do listen to a lot of comedy podcasts.

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There's a lot of British comedians who do comedy podcasts and like travel podcasts.

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I listen to a few parenting podcasts that are like comedy ones, but I actually listen

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to frugal friends as well, which is about money.

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I think there's about three that I listen to about money, but yeah, I mean, 90% of them

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are true crime to be fair.

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really mentions.

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I don't even know if he listens.

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He's listened to a few, but I don't know if he listens to all of my episodes.

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Yeah.

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Husbands are a hard audience, I think.

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I always have to say to my husband, because even though we're only bringing them out once

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a month, I still have to say, have you listened to the podcast?

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It's out.

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You know it's out.

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And we do talk about him a little bit.

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So we kind of forget.

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I kind of forget that I've mentioned him until he comes back and he's like, you know how

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I said that.

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So what do you find most challenging about producing your podcast?

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Yeah, I think for us, I did find the whole editing and the whole tech part quite draining,

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really.

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We do have a podcast editor.

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Hi Erin.

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She's amazing.

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I think you just posted her on social media, didn't you?

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Yes.

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She is amazing.

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And she's been so brilliant for us.

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That's like been a game changer because just the time that takes for me to fiddle around

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when I don't really know what I'm doing still.

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I just don't have the time to devote to it.

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But yeah, I think for us as well, it's just scheduling our time.

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And like, as you know, Effie couldn't be here today.

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So I think we would do a lot more.

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I would be keen to do a lot more, potentially do a lot more with the podcast, but it's just

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the time.

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What topic are you and Effie more drawn to as far as the genre, as far as true crime?

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Is it early era, solved, unsolved, missing?

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Do you have a specific topic that you guys like to talk about or you're just drawn to?

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We kind of, we do tend to go towards cold cases a lot without realizing that we've done

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a cold case.

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So like, we think we're talking about it the other day and we're like probably about 70

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percent of the cases that we do are cold cases, which is very unsatisfying when you're listening

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to a podcast and there's no answer at the end.

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I mean, I get it.

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But yeah, we do really love, we love a mystery like the Summertime Man was such a big mystery

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for so many years in Australia and it's been solved now.

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Oh, it has?

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Yeah.

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And that was slightly disappointing.

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I found out who he was.

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He wasn't a spy.

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He was just a guy that was, I can't remember what job he did, but it was very unsatisfying.

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He wasn't a spy.

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He wasn't a ballerina.

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Was it solved when you did that episode?

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Because I heard that one.

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No.

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That's amazing.

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It is amazing.

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Oh, I need to go look that up.

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Yeah.

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It was very unsatisfying though, because there was such intrigue with it, you know, with

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the woman that lived close by and then he had the grandchildren, but then they weren't

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his grandchildren.

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And you know, I think it was genetics and they found hair that was trapped and they

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were testing it with, you know, the new DNA that everyone can do.

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Yeah.

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Mystery.

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We both love a mystery.

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Effie really likes the historical stuff, like really historical.

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I'm not so keen.

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I like things from the 70s and up.

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That's my, you know, I love all that.

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I love a serial killer.

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Not in, you know, not in that way, but I love that.

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You know, that really intrigues me the whole story about serial killers and like how they

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found them and you know, like now there's DNA and they've tracked this person down and

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they've solved this and like they've solved the women in the dunes as well.

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Did you hear about that?

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Recently too, right?

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Yeah.

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So amazing because I think that was going to be on my list of storylines to talk about,

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but what I truly love, especially on the dash, I really find episodes where DNA plays a big

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part and you know, by the time I'm telling my storyline, usually it's solved.

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So I try to bring a lighter effect of the genre.

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So when I'm talking to guests like you, or even when I'm not, when I'm just talking by

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myself, I always try to find something where DNA really plays a big part.

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So yeah, I mean, thank goodness for the DNA.

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Look at how far science has come.

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I know.

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I mean, that was crazy, that story as well with the whole Jaws thing and they thought

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she was an extra in Jaws.

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Was she?

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No, I don't know.

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I don't know if they actually know if it was still, I think it is still her.

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Okay.

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I really want it to be because there was the whole thing with Stephen King's son as well.

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Did you hear about that?

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I did not hear about that.

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So he was really obsessed with it.

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He went to see Jaws at like a matinee, you know, whatever 30th anniversary or whatever.

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And he really honed in on this woman and he'd read the article about this woman and he was

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like trying to solve it and he got really obsessed with it.

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And I love that it was Stephen King's son.

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How amazing is that?

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That is awesome.

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There's another podcast I was just telling my sister Beth about.

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Chris Lambert is the person who has your own backyard.

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I've heard of that.

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Definitely highly recommend that one for you.

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He saw a billboard as he went to work every day and it was a billboard of a missing girl

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and it was up there for decades.

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He remembers as a child that that billboard was there.

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He started a podcast on that.

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He wasn't obsessed with it.

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He was like, you know what, somebody needs to do something.

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And he did.

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It's a great podcast.

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I highly recommend that.

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I'm adding that to my list now.

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I'm responsible for adding another True Crime podcast to my list.

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I have heard of that though.

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That's really familiar.

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Let's talk about your listener base because you have said that you have a lot of Canadian

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and US listeners.

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Yes, that's crazy.

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Isn't it?

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I mean, it's absolutely fantastic.

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Thank you for listening to us.

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We are so impressed.

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We don't get messages a lot, but we have had like quite a few messages from people in the

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US.

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The first time we got it, I remember messaging Effie, sending her a voice note and going,

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oh my God, someone in America is listening to us and they like us.

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I love it when the heat map turns red.

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That means that a lot of people are starting to listen and I have a big heat map in the

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UK.

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How amazing is that?

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It's wonderful.

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So thank you listeners from all around the world.

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We love that.

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Yeah.

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One of the things that Beth and I said, my sister, was we just wanted to take over North

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America and we did it.

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Yeah, that's amazing.

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Have you, Marty, or would you ever stay in a haunted hotel or castle?

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No, no.

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Why not?

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You know what?

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I, so people find this really strange with me.

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Not so much Effie because Effie's a bit braver than me, I think.

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She'd do it.

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Yeah, she would do it.

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I am absolutely terrified of all that stuff.

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I will not.

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I've never seen Poltergeist.

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I cannot watch it.

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That clarifies me.

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No, I can't watch it.

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We actually, I grew up across the road from a cemetery when I was little and that never

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bothered me.

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That was fine.

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And our, so we live in a flat in the middle of Edinburgh, but our back fence actually

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backs onto a cemetery.

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So if I look out the window in the lounge room, I'm looking at, I can look at the cemetery

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and that doesn't bother me.

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That's fine.

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But I can't, I just, I can't, I can't do it.

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I can't watch anything scary.

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I can't even watch an ad for something scary.

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My husband's the opposite.

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All of that, he's got an explanation.

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So every time I hear a story on a podcast, I come and tell him the story and go, isn't

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that amazing?

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What do you think about that?

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And what's your explanation for that?

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And he's always got an explanation.

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He just doesn't, I think because I believe in that stuff.

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Yes, I 100% believe in that.

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Yeah.

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I know that he has respect, but I have respect for the dead.

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I don't want to do, we grew up Catholic, very Catholic.

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So did I.

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Yeah.

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See, so you're going to understand this.

426
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I bet you were told the same thing.

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We were told it never to touch a Ouija board.

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Never don't go near it.

429
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Yes.

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It's a Catholic thing, isn't it?

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I think so.

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And we had a Ouija board in our house and it was around that time that, what was that

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movie with Linda Blair?

434
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Oh, The Exorcist.

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I can't watch that either.

436
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Nope.

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I sure can't.

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So my dad ended up painting on the back of the Ouija board.

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And I believe Beth told me a story in one of our podcasts about that and she had to

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get rid of it.

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My dad was an artist and he has a ton of paintings that he left us.

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So he had painted something on the Ouija board and Beth had to get rid of it.

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What did he paint on it?

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I don't think it was necessarily what he painted.

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He always did a lot of nature scenes, woods and meadows and things like that.

446
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I don't think it had anything to do with the painting itself.

447
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I think it had to do with something with the Ouija board.

448
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No, I can't believe you had one in the house.

449
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Yeah, I do.

450
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I believe in that stuff and so I'm going to keep a healthy distance away.

451
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Yeah.

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We were asked to go and stay in a castle for a podcast.

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So another True Crime podcast and another Scottish Ghostly Story podcast that I listened

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to because it's not too scary, but they asked us to go and stay, both of us.

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And Effie was kind of for it.

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And I said, you know what, you can go and do that by yourself because I've been on like

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ghost tours.

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I can do that.

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I'm not staying in any castles.

460
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Scotland is creepy enough as it is in certain places without staying somewhere that is meant

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to be haunted and it's overnight.

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It was like 2 in the morning to sit.

463
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No, no, I can't even think about it.

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I just couldn't do it.

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It freaks me out.

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It freaks me out so much.

467
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It's not something that I could ever do.

468
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I'm interested in it.

469
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I'm fascinated with it.

470
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I'm fascinated with stories of things that happen.

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And I love, there's lots of podcasts where I listen and there's lovely stories about,

472
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you know, their parent left them a message.

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And I believe in all that sort of stuff.

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I can listen to that.

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Anything horror.

476
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No, I'm not staying anywhere overnight.

477
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I just, I actually said to them, do you know what, if you are recording this for a podcast,

478
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it's just going to be me screaming the whole night.

479
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It's going to be four hours of me screaming and going, I don't like this.

480
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I don't like this.

481
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And you're going to have so much editing.

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It's just not worth me being there.

483
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I'm not coming.

484
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It's a little different when we're telling stories on a podcast versus being there and

485
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being in it.

486
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Yeah, I totally get it.

487
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I'm with you on that.

488
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Yeah.

489
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Would you do it?

490
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Would you stay there?

491
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Absolutely not.

492
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Like no hesitation.

493
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Oh, good.

494
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Okay.

495
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No, because I have a very vivid imagination and like there are sometimes, no joke, when

496
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I'm sleeping, I remember a lot of my dreams.

497
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Sometimes I will myself to continue sleeping because I want to finish my dream.

498
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Oh wow.

499
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Yeah.

500
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:52,280
To talk about it is one thing, but to be there in it, no, I think my imagination, I'd be

501
00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:53,280
there with you screaming.

502
00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,840
And I mean, the castles in Scotland are so scary.

503
00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,120
I love Scottish castles, right?

504
00:21:59,120 --> 00:22:00,120
Don't get me wrong.

505
00:22:00,120 --> 00:22:01,160
Cause in Australia, there's nothing.

506
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:02,160
It's just grass.

507
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,640
There's like lots of land.

508
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:05,640
There's no castles.

509
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:06,640
There's nothing old.

510
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:07,640
It's not interesting, right?

511
00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:12,280
So when you come here, I was like, there's a cast and especially in Scotland, like Scotland

512
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:13,280
is a maze.

513
00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:14,640
It's an amazing place to live.

514
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:15,640
There's so much history.

515
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:16,640
Yes.

516
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:21,000
There's so much horribleness that happens here in like the old town and you know, sure.

517
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:26,160
It's just so many stories and the castles all have stories and they're all stunning.

518
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:27,680
And I've been to so many castles.

519
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,360
I've been to so many ruined castles and don't get me wrong.

520
00:22:30,360 --> 00:22:34,080
I always put, I'm always the one in the audience that puts my hand up when you do a tour and

521
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:35,560
says, are there any ghosts here?

522
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:36,960
Do you have any stories about ghosts?

523
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:41,240
I love hearing that, but I don't want to be there and see them at one o'clock in the morning.

524
00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,400
No, thank you very much.

525
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:44,400
I'll read the book.

526
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:45,400
I'll hear the story.

527
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,480
I'm not there to experience it.

528
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:48,480
Goodbye.

529
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,440
Oh, there's your fine line.

530
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,520
We're going to draw in the sand right there.

531
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:53,520
Absolutely.

532
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:54,520
Yeah.

533
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:55,520
All right.

534
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,840
Well, thanks so much, Marty, for hanging in there with me.

535
00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,640
I appreciate the little question answer session.

536
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:05,700
For our listeners, be sure to check Marty and Effie out on Instagram at mums mysteries

537
00:23:05,700 --> 00:23:06,700
and murder.

538
00:23:06,700 --> 00:23:10,840
You can also email them at mums mystery and murder at gmail.com.

539
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:16,040
Is there anything else that you would like to add before we dash into my short story?

540
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,040
I don't think so.

541
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:22,480
I should say actually, while I've got the opportunity about the pod that true crimes

542
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:23,480
not for everyone.

543
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:24,480
We understand that.

544
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:28,120
Like we get that you either love true crime, you hate true crime and you're not interested.

545
00:23:28,120 --> 00:23:29,120
True.

546
00:23:29,120 --> 00:23:34,040
But we have been told that our podcast is a good gateway into true crime, which was

547
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:35,040
very interesting.

548
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:36,280
A few people have said it.

549
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:41,320
I think because we don't cover really graphic crimes and we don't really go into gruesome

550
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:42,320
details.

551
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,760
We don't really do like a body count.

552
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:45,760
Do you know what I mean?

553
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:49,600
We don't do serial killers, although we have just done Ivan Malat and that was probably

554
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,000
the most gruesome episode we've done.

555
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:53,000
Right.

556
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:54,000
Yeah.

557
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,120
I mean, I think if anyone's listening to your podcast, obviously they're into true crime.

558
00:23:57,120 --> 00:24:01,840
So that, you know, but it's sort of not as and I mean, I don't think yours is particularly

559
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:02,840
gruesome.

560
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:03,840
Do you know what I mean?

561
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:05,440
We don't dwell on the details, do we?

562
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,120
No, I don't like to dwell on the details.

563
00:24:08,120 --> 00:24:13,960
First of all, I'm trying to respect the victim, trying to respect the family, the survivors

564
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:14,960
in it.

565
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:16,640
So that's not really my take on that as well.

566
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:21,520
There are some times where I feel like I have to give a little bit more details, but I'm

567
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:25,080
still as diplomatically correct as I can be.

568
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:26,080
Yes.

569
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:27,080
Yeah.

570
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:31,600
And that goes along the lines of having a coffee or a tea in the living room with you.

571
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,680
So yeah, just having a regular conversation.

572
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:34,680
That's amazing.

573
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:35,680
That's a lovely feel.

574
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:36,680
Yeah.

575
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,440
Well, I don't know how much traveling you have done over time.

576
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:41,200
Me personally, I love to travel.

577
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,320
I have a passport that needs a couple of stamps in it.

578
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:48,440
Look, I was supposed to go on a trip and then COVID hit and then I had to cancel that and

579
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,640
I have not had the opportunity to use my passport.

580
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,720
Oh, I told my husband we need to do that this year.

581
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,120
So we'll probably end up doing that.

582
00:24:56,120 --> 00:24:57,120
Come to Scotland.

583
00:24:57,120 --> 00:24:58,600
I know some good castles.

584
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:02,840
I'll come to Scotland.

585
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,360
I don't know if you'll look at the castles, but no, I won't.

586
00:25:06,360 --> 00:25:07,360
Not at nighttime.

587
00:25:07,360 --> 00:25:08,360
We won't do nighttime.

588
00:25:08,360 --> 00:25:09,720
Have you ever been to Disney World?

589
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:10,720
No.

590
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:11,720
Do you know what?

591
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:13,200
I've never been to any part of America.

592
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,160
Well, I haven't been to Scotland.

593
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:16,160
So there you go.

594
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:17,160
Or Australia.

595
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:18,160
Yeah, we're even.

596
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:19,160
Australia is very far.

597
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,280
Australia is a very big commitment.

598
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:22,280
I have family there.

599
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:23,280
Oh, amazing.

600
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,640
I really need to go visit because here's the thing.

601
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,360
I watched the show called My Kitchen Rules.

602
00:25:28,360 --> 00:25:30,080
Ah, yes.

603
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:35,000
What I have noticed because I pay attention to details in the background and everything,

604
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:39,000
I have really learned which areas are more populated.

605
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,340
Yeah, I'm not missing the spiders, I have to say.

606
00:25:42,340 --> 00:25:46,080
She says looking up at the ceiling because there was a big spider in here the other day.

607
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:47,080
Oh my gosh.

608
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:48,080
Yeah.

609
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:53,000
My cousin, she was driving to work one morning and a tarantula plopped down into her lap

610
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,920
while she's driving in her car.

611
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:56,520
And I think she was in Tasmania.

612
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,680
Oh, that is horrific.

613
00:25:58,680 --> 00:25:59,680
I know, right?

614
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:01,560
Okay, so you have not been to Disney.

615
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:02,560
No.

616
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,800
I took my kids there once and I'm going to say once was enough for me.

617
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:10,960
I mean, it's great, but I have a Six Flags Park near me as well and we've done all that.

618
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:11,960
So.

619
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:12,960
Ah, yes.

620
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,520
Do you know, I know about Six Flags just from listening to podcasts.

621
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:17,520
Really?

622
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,320
Who've told stories about Six Flags.

623
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:20,960
Like, not good stories.

624
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,160
Like they've told theme park stories.

625
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:24,680
People falling off roller coasters.

626
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,080
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

627
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:27,480
I'm obsessed with that stuff.

628
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:28,480
Obsessed.

629
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,760
I don't know if I'd like to listen to that, but who knows?

630
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:32,760
Love it.

631
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,400
But see, I don't go to any of these places and I don't go on rides.

632
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:36,400
I'm such a baby.

633
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,680
I've discovered during your podcast, I am such a baby.

634
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:40,680
That's okay.

635
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:41,680
I'm fine with that.

636
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,000
I used to live for the thrill, but I can't do it anymore.

637
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,360
There's just a certain threshold that you just can't get on any rides.

638
00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:48,880
You're going to get nauseous.

639
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,500
And then of course you hear about all these people being flinged off.

640
00:26:52,500 --> 00:26:53,500
No thank you.

641
00:26:53,500 --> 00:26:55,940
Right now is that time of year.

642
00:26:55,940 --> 00:27:00,640
I don't know if you guys have this, but we have a lot of county fairs and it's like a

643
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:01,840
pop-up fair.

644
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,600
So they're everywhere right now.

645
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,280
It's just that time of year.

646
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:06,280
Okay.

647
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,840
But we're going to talk about Disney World today.

648
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,200
I am so excited.

649
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:16,080
I did not know you were going to tell me a story about this.

650
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,320
So we're going to talk about Susan Gervais.

651
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:20,840
And I'm going to say she's got a French name.

652
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,400
So I had to go look this up and it's like Gervais.

653
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,560
I don't know if I can say Gervais the whole time.

654
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,200
Is that like Ricky Gervais?

655
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:28,200
Who's Ricky Gervais?

656
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:34,160
He's a UK comedian and he hosted the Oscars and things a few times and he was really offensive

657
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:35,640
to everyone, which was brilliant.

658
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,560
Oh, you need to go look him up.

659
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:38,560
He's fantastic.

660
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:39,560
That's awesome.

661
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:40,560
Yeah.

662
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:41,560
All right.

663
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:46,400
Well, Susan was kidnapped at the age of four under the guise that she was going to take

664
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:47,760
a trip to Disney World.

665
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:48,760
Okay.

666
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,840
I'm going to back up just a little bit and talk about Susan's mom for just a moment.

667
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:59,080
Susan's given name was Susan Preece and she was born in Pontefract, West Yorkshire, England

668
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,900
in 1965 to a single mother.

669
00:28:01,900 --> 00:28:06,880
And she also had six other siblings who were unfortunately, Marty, they were all in and

670
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:07,880
out of foster care.

671
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,400
Oh, that's so sad, isn't it?

672
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:18,040
In 1969, when Susan was just four years old, her mother had befriended a couple from Scotland.

673
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:19,040
Yay!

674
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:25,160
Look, when I put this story together, I had no intentions of making it about Scotland

675
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,200
or England or anything like that.

676
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:31,360
I just came across the story and then here we are talking about it.

677
00:28:31,360 --> 00:28:32,360
So there you go.

678
00:28:32,360 --> 00:28:33,360
Oh, no way.

679
00:28:33,360 --> 00:28:38,760
Susan's mother had befriended a couple from Scotland who had two boys of their own and

680
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,160
they were very close to the same age as Susan.

681
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:45,320
So kind of like you and Effie, you guys got together, you had something in common when

682
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:46,640
you became friends.

683
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:51,800
Susan befriended this couple and they started hanging out quite a bit together.

684
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:57,000
The two families lived in a, you may know this, I don't know the term, it's a visaraj,

685
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:58,800
sort of like a campground.

686
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,240
Oh, so they like travellers?

687
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:02,240
Yes.

688
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:03,240
Yeah, okay.

689
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,280
I haven't heard the term visaraj, but I think I know what you mean.

690
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:07,280
Okay.

691
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:08,280
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

692
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:09,280
That was quite common.

693
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,040
There was like a lot of people that did that back at that.

694
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:12,040
Yeah.

695
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,080
So this family was, they were travellers.

696
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:15,080
Okay.

697
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:16,080
Oh, this is interesting.

698
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:17,080
I'm loving this.

699
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:18,080
Okay.

700
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:19,320
So I did look at some pictures.

701
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:23,640
There were some single wide trailers and I mean, we have nice trailer parks around here

702
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,440
and then some not so nice, but it's just a combination.

703
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:31,000
I wouldn't say that it's anything that you can pull on the back of your vehicle or anything

704
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,000
like that.

705
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,480
Like they're sets, stationary, but you can move them at any time.

706
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:36,480
Yeah.

707
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:37,480
Okay.

708
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:38,480
So like movie sets, that's what it makes me think of.

709
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:39,480
Oh, there you go.

710
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,080
You and your naps just have movie sets and they have the little, yeah, yeah, yeah.

711
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:46,800
So the two families bonded very quickly and became fast friends.

712
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:52,880
So imagine how delighted Susan's mother was when the couple offered to take Susan on a

713
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:57,440
two week vacation to Disney World in Orlando, Florida.

714
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,320
Would you not be suspicious of that though?

715
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,080
I don't know if I would or not.

716
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:02,080
And here's why.

717
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:06,920
I was a single mother for virtually, I'm going to say 16 years of my life.

718
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,320
So you just needed a break.

719
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:09,920
Take them away.

720
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:11,280
Bring them back when you want.

721
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,080
Well, the three of us were very tight.

722
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:18,800
Shelby, Corey and me, I feel like we were very tight and we did a lot together, but

723
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,600
there was a family that my son, Corey went to all the time.

724
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:27,880
He had the best friend that he met when he was in third grade and he spent a lot of time

725
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:29,600
at his friend's house.

726
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:33,040
I've sent him on vacations with them before.

727
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:37,920
I guess in that aspect, when you become very close friends with different people, there's

728
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,960
that trust level, so I don't know if I would find that suspicious.

729
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,360
Would you let them go to another country?

730
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,800
Because that is a big, do you know what I mean?

731
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:52,300
If you're in the UK and someone's offering to take you to America, that is a big holiday.

732
00:30:52,300 --> 00:30:56,000
It's not like if someone's offering to take you to Spain where it's like two hours on

733
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:57,000
a plane here.

734
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:58,000
It's not like a big deal.

735
00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,000
Do you know what I mean?

736
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,120
Like Europe's not a big deal from the UK, but America.

737
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:03,120
Rub it in, why don't you?

738
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,120
It's going to take me 16 hours.

739
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,120
It's not bad, it's not bad.

740
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,680
We go there for a Friday night and come back.

741
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:12,680
No, we don't do that.

742
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:17,360
But yeah, I feel like that is a big deal to take your kid to America.

743
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,400
Yeah, it's just trusting.

744
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,160
Yeah, because I would totally send my son, Cory.

745
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:26,240
Cory, if you're listening to this, I would totally send you with your best friend to

746
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:27,240
a different country.

747
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:28,240
No.

748
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,200
But then again, this was in the 1960s.

749
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,920
I see what you're saying and I understand that concept.

750
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:38,080
I'm very untrusting of people, I think, and also, we're never going to get to the end

751
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:39,080
of this.

752
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:40,080
I do like to ask a lot of questions.

753
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:41,680
I will apologize in advance.

754
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,760
Effie knows about this and she never has the answer whenever I ask her these questions

755
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,760
because they're always random.

756
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,600
But if you're in the traveling community, you don't have a lot of money.

757
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:55,240
So how do you have the money to take someone else's kid on holiday?

758
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,160
On a big holiday, that is a big holiday.

759
00:31:58,160 --> 00:31:59,160
That is a big holiday.

760
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:00,160
Yeah.

761
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:01,160
Look, I'm like Effie.

762
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,160
I don't have an answer for you.

763
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:05,640
It just feels at home.

764
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,960
I just feel like this is the normal podcast.

765
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:08,960
Oh my gosh.

766
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:09,960
All right.

767
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:10,960
Well, guess what?

768
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,000
Susan agreed.

769
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,760
She steadfastly said, sure, I would love for you to take Susan.

770
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,400
What a great opportunity.

771
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,440
So she said yes.

772
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,080
She dug out Susan's birth certificate that she needed to travel.

773
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:28,960
She handed it over and the rest is all we know for 50 years.

774
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:29,960
No.

775
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:31,600
Oh, is that it?

776
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:32,600
That's the end.

777
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:33,600
That's the end of the podcast.

778
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:34,600
Thanks for listening.

779
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:35,600
That's the end.

780
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,600
We are at 42 minutes recording and we're done.

781
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,120
Quickest research ever.

782
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:43,740
All right.

783
00:32:43,740 --> 00:32:47,360
During that era in the 1970s, minors did not need a passport.

784
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,320
Yeah, I was going to ask you about that.

785
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:50,600
That's really interesting, isn't it?

786
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:51,600
It is.

787
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:52,600
It is.

788
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:53,600
See how times have changed.

789
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:58,320
All they needed at the time was parental permission slip to travel with others who were not a

790
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,960
parent plus their birth certificate.

791
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:05,280
So this is where her mother pulled out the birth certificate, gave it to the couple and

792
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:06,800
off they went.

793
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:12,580
The couple had both of those documents with them and once Susan was in their charge, they

794
00:33:12,580 --> 00:33:18,040
added her name to their own passport paperwork because they had a passport and off they went

795
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:19,040
to the United States.

796
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:20,040
Okay.

797
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:21,040
This is crazy.

798
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:22,240
How long had they known them for?

799
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,240
I'm not really sure.

800
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,200
They became fast friends.

801
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,640
Probably a couple months at least.

802
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:29,640
No.

803
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:30,640
I know.

804
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:31,640
It's crazy.

805
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,640
This is giving me anxiety.

806
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:39,480
I never want to do that.

807
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:40,480
Okay.

808
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:44,520
So obviously we know that Susan did not go to Disney World.

809
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,320
They went to Canada instead.

810
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,640
I mean that's better than Disney World in my opinion.

811
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,520
Oh yeah, absolutely it is.

812
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:56,520
And then also they bounced here and there let's say because you had mentioned where

813
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,240
did they get this money from?

814
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:04,320
Not only Canada, they also went to Austria and then Australia.

815
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:05,400
Oh my God.

816
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:06,960
This is an amazing trick.

817
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,040
Yeah, it is.

818
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:14,560
Most of the articles that I read, Susan kept referring to herself as a traveling family,

819
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:18,640
but her name was quickly changed to Susan Gervais.

820
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:19,640
Okay.

821
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:24,400
So unless she got older, her new parents had told her that she had been adopted.

822
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,640
How did she forget her parents though?

823
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:30,840
I suppose if you're four and you're told something enough, you don't remember a lot.

824
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,240
Like I don't remember anything from when I was four I don't think.

825
00:34:33,240 --> 00:34:38,080
Four years old, I'm thinking you're going to start remembering a little bit, but if

826
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,240
you're told enough, the memories do fade.

827
00:34:40,240 --> 00:34:41,240
Yeah.

828
00:34:41,240 --> 00:34:45,800
I don't know if any listeners know if there's a threshold as far as memories.

829
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,200
We would love to hear that.

830
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:48,200
Yeah.

831
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:49,920
It's so interesting, wouldn't it?

832
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:55,960
What age you can remember from or what's the average age people can remember things from?

833
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,080
Tell us, tell us.

834
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,680
Well Susan never questioned her new parents.

835
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,600
In fact, she had a very good upbringing.

836
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:11,200
She mentioned more than once that she was spoiled rotten and she had a very content

837
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:12,200
childhood.

838
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:13,200
She just loved her childhood.

839
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,240
I mean, she's going on holiday everywhere though, isn't she?

840
00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:17,240
So I mean, who wouldn't?

841
00:35:17,240 --> 00:35:20,120
Who wouldn't love that?

842
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:25,400
In hindsight, Susan believes that her adoptive parents always wanted a girl because I had

843
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,040
mentioned they had boys.

844
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:28,040
Yeah.

845
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:29,040
Okay.

846
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:32,240
But she never had the desire to search out her biological family.

847
00:35:32,240 --> 00:35:37,080
She had been told she was adopted now, but she never had the desire to look to see if

848
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:38,320
she could find them.

849
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:43,040
And she did travel the world with the family that she knew and was very happy growing up.

850
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,960
I wonder if the boys ever said anything.

851
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:47,040
Do you know what I mean?

852
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:51,200
I wonder what the boys were told from the parents and if they ever had a conversation

853
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,000
with her about, do you know what I mean?

854
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:54,800
Do you remember your parents or?

855
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,040
That's a great question.

856
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,480
I'm so good at the questions.

857
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:05,200
And I'm obviously not so good at the answers because again, wow, never thought of that.

858
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:06,200
Yeah.

859
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:07,360
I mean, there's no way to find that out.

860
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:13,000
So while I was researching, every picture that I saw of Susan shows a genuine smile

861
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,740
and she really did seem very happy.

862
00:36:15,740 --> 00:36:18,360
Let's talk about the 1980s.

863
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:23,440
So this would be, I'm going to say Susan's probably a teenager by now.

864
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:24,440
Wow.

865
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:28,080
Around 1981, Susan had traveled from Australia to New Zealand.

866
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,600
Remember, I told you she bounced around different countries.

867
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:31,600
Yeah.

868
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:32,600
Okay.

869
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,400
And it would be easy to hide in New Zealand from America.

870
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:35,400
Would it now?

871
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,920
Well, I think it would be because it's so far removed.

872
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:40,600
Do you know what I mean?

873
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:44,680
Like they're not, even Australia is like a bigger deal, but New Zealand's like, it's

874
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:48,960
not a small country, but like it would be an easy place to hide from America all the

875
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:49,960
way to there.

876
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:50,960
I think.

877
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:51,960
True.

878
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:53,400
Because it truly is on the other side of the world.

879
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,480
It's just a quieter place and it's just, I don't know.

880
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,240
I think it'd be a good place to hide.

881
00:36:58,240 --> 00:36:59,960
People wouldn't think to look there.

882
00:36:59,960 --> 00:37:00,960
Yes.

883
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:05,120
We're saying like it's hide and seek.

884
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:06,120
Go hide in New Zealand.

885
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:11,720
At the time, Susan did not need a passport to enter New Zealand and this is 1981.

886
00:37:11,720 --> 00:37:12,720
Okay.

887
00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:15,440
And she would need one to travel back to Australia.

888
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:16,440
Okay.

889
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:21,520
Susan couldn't get the paperwork that she needed to reenter Australia because this is

890
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:26,360
when her adoptive father admitted to her that she had been stolen.

891
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:27,360
Oh no.

892
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:28,360
Isn't that something?

893
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:29,360
Oh my God.

894
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:30,360
So she was 18 then.

895
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:31,360
She was probably about 16 years old.

896
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:32,360
Yeah.

897
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:33,360
Okay.

898
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:34,360
And do we know what brought this on?

899
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:35,360
You're probably about to tell me.

900
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:36,360
I'm just excited.

901
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:37,360
I don't know, Marge.

902
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:38,360
I don't know.

903
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:39,360
I don't know.

904
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:40,360
I don't know.

905
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:41,360
I don't know.

906
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:42,880
I don't know, Marty.

907
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,880
I wrote this script about four months ago.

908
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,640
So I'm going to be as surprised as you.

909
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,040
All right.

910
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:55,200
It took Susan three years to get the paperwork necessary to get back to Australia.

911
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,960
So she would have definitely been an adult by now.

912
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,120
Oh my God.

913
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,040
She resides in Australia today.

914
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:03,040
What?

915
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:07,680
I mentioned that she did not have much in findings on her biological family.

916
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:08,920
She didn't have that desire.

917
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:09,920
Yeah.

918
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:10,920
Okay.

919
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:15,960
Or so because she had grown up with the name Gervais and her parents weren't around to

920
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,000
give her information on her birth name.

921
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,000
Yeah.

922
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:20,000
Okay.

923
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,800
But what about like, you know, how the father, so the father admitted when she was a teenager.

924
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:24,800
Yeah.

925
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:30,160
Why wouldn't you then be like outraged and be like seeking out your real parents?

926
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:31,160
That's very strange.

927
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:38,240
It is because she had a good upbringing, unfortunately with the wrong family, of course, but there

928
00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:42,400
are people out there that don't have the desire to ever know.

929
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:47,480
Now there's a difference of being told, hey, you've been adopted versus yeah, you were

930
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:48,840
really stolen.

931
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:49,840
Yeah.

932
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:51,520
I understand the adoption thing.

933
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:55,200
Like I'm sure there's loads of people and I don't know enough about it, but I understand,

934
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,680
you know, how some people would not want to find their birth mother.

935
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:03,480
I can understand that, but to be stolen and then not even like her poor parents.

936
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:04,480
I agree.

937
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:10,080
That's the thing is there's just not a lot of, hey, how did the parents deal with this?

938
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:14,800
I never want to be put in that situation of having a child go missing.

939
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,600
My heart goes out to anybody that does.

940
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:24,160
Unless you've been in that, I can't even imagine how a parent could feel when their child disappears

941
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,760
and just never returns, but it happens a lot, you know?

942
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:28,760
Yeah.

943
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:29,760
Did they think she was dead?

944
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:31,000
Do you know what I mean?

945
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,640
Because the whole family disappeared as well, can you imagine that?

946
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:36,040
The whole family's gone.

947
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,000
You just think, well, they've just taken her.

948
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:42,240
Like you wouldn't think she was killed by a lunatic or something.

949
00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:43,240
Right.

950
00:39:43,240 --> 00:39:48,360
I guess with them knowing the family, me personally, I would probably think, well, hopefully she's

951
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,080
being treated well and things like that.

952
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:52,720
There's so many different what ifs.

953
00:39:52,720 --> 00:39:53,720
Yeah.

954
00:39:53,720 --> 00:39:56,000
I wonder if they went searching for her then.

955
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,680
They must have gone searching for her.

956
00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:59,160
I'm sure.

957
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,280
That's an impossible search though, isn't it?

958
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,240
Australia is so far.

959
00:40:03,240 --> 00:40:04,440
Maybe I put these in my notes.

960
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:05,440
I'm not sure.

961
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:06,440
We'll see.

962
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:07,440
Yeah, sorry.

963
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,440
I have so many questions all the time.

964
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:10,440
It's okay.

965
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:11,440
I love that.

966
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:12,440
I get very involved.

967
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:16,640
We're going to move to 2022, so just a couple of years ago.

968
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,640
Oh my God.

969
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:19,640
Sorry.

970
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:20,640
I'm excited.

971
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,640
Cut from my hand.

972
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:24,640
Sorry.

973
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:30,840
As life goes, we meet friends along the way and Susan became acquainted with someone who

974
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:32,600
was also adopted.

975
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:38,000
This new friend asked Susan if curiosity had ever gotten the better of her, so we just

976
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:39,720
talked about that.

977
00:40:39,720 --> 00:40:43,200
This is when Susan began thinking about it.

978
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:49,200
I believe the question was phrased more like, oh, Marty, you're going to love this.

979
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:53,500
What do you think your family in the UK is feeling right now?

980
00:40:53,500 --> 00:40:56,520
Thinking that you vanished without a trace.

981
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,760
That's really when Susan began thinking about it.

982
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:01,760
Yes, yes, yes, yes.

983
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,960
I told you we'd learn this together.

984
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:10,960
Unfortunately, Susan could not get any immediate answers because her adoptive mother had died

985
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:17,120
of multiple sclerosis when Susan was seven and her adoptive dad passed away when she

986
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,560
was 21.

987
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:25,200
Susan eventually talked with her husband about her new desire to be nearer to her true family.

988
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:30,520
Of course, he completely supported Susan in this quest and the family posted an appeal

989
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:37,060
on the Nottingley and Fairy Bridge Community Facebook page that covered Pontefract, England,

990
00:41:37,060 --> 00:41:40,840
the town where Susan had been kidnapped from back in 1969.

991
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,160
I don't know if you know those areas, but that's where they posted.

992
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,360
I know Pontefract, but I don't know the other.

993
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:48,360
Fairy Bridge Community.

994
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,800
Yeah, how cute does that sound?

995
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:51,800
I know, right?

996
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:58,720
I bet there's some good kick-ass castles in Fairy Bridge, I'm telling you.

997
00:41:58,720 --> 00:42:00,520
Oh goodness.

998
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,960
All right, now get this.

999
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:08,720
Susan and her husband received a response within 30 to 90 minutes, depending on the

1000
00:42:08,720 --> 00:42:10,520
article that I read.

1001
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:14,840
Oh my God.

1002
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:19,040
She found out her true identity within 30 to 90 minutes.

1003
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:20,040
Oh my God.

1004
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:21,960
What are the chances?

1005
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:26,080
And the time difference, I know this is small, the time difference between Australia and

1006
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,840
England, it would have been day and night.

1007
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,360
Like they would have posted that at night and it would have been the middle of the morning.

1008
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:32,360
Do you know what I mean?

1009
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,080
Oh my God, these stories.

1010
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:35,080
Unbelievable.

1011
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,680
I'm actually sitting closer to the laptop because I can't handle this.

1012
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:42,720
I need to know all the things.

1013
00:42:42,720 --> 00:42:47,680
Susan quickly got in touch with the people that had contacted her and she flew out to

1014
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:54,480
the UK to reunite with four of her six siblings on her 57th birthday.

1015
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:55,480
Oh my God.

1016
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:56,480
Oh my God.

1017
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,240
And was this in 2022?

1018
00:42:58,240 --> 00:42:59,240
It was.

1019
00:42:59,240 --> 00:43:00,240
Oh my God.

1020
00:43:00,240 --> 00:43:01,720
I can't handle this.

1021
00:43:01,720 --> 00:43:03,400
Are her parents still alive?

1022
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:08,560
Okay, I'm glad you asked that question because I'm going to leave you hanging here for a

1023
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,640
moment until Dennis stops barking.

1024
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:11,640
No.

1025
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:13,560
I can't handle this.

1026
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:20,480
This is like X factor when they go and the person leaving is, and then they wait ages.

1027
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:25,880
You're like, come on, just tell us.

1028
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,360
Oh my God.

1029
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,040
See why I love your podcast so much.

1030
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:32,040
I love this, Marty.

1031
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:33,040
I'm having such a great time with you.

1032
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:34,040
I get so excited.

1033
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:38,320
The problem is I get so invested in these stories.

1034
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:42,320
That's why I have all the questions and all the things and then like once Effie's told

1035
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:47,080
me the story, I have to go and look up everything to see what they look like, what else has

1036
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:48,080
happened.

1037
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:49,560
I just get too involved.

1038
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:50,720
You will love it.

1039
00:43:50,720 --> 00:44:00,360
Susan's biological mom had passed away in 2015 and never knew what happened to her daughter.

1040
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:01,720
Oh my God.

1041
00:44:01,720 --> 00:44:02,720
That's awful.

1042
00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:03,720
It is.

1043
00:44:03,720 --> 00:44:07,240
Why would you tell me that?

1044
00:44:07,240 --> 00:44:08,560
Because inquiring minds.

1045
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,520
That was one of your questions, Marty.

1046
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,760
Oh, I know, but I don't want that to be the answer.

1047
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:15,120
What about her dad?

1048
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:16,960
Is her dad still alive?

1049
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:18,680
I don't know if her dad's still alive.

1050
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:19,680
We'll get there.

1051
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:20,680
Maybe.

1052
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:21,680
Maybe it's not.

1053
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,680
Maybe because it just said siblings.

1054
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,800
Oh no.

1055
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:31,160
But do know this, her mother spent her entire life looking for Susan.

1056
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:32,640
Oh my God.

1057
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,440
That's so sad.

1058
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,040
I know.

1059
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:40,920
Susan's siblings later said in an interview that they too had never given up looking for

1060
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:41,920
her either.

1061
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:46,280
Oh, why didn't they find her then?

1062
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,480
Because she had the same, she had that surname.

1063
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,160
Surely they could have tracked.

1064
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:51,160
Oh, I don't know.

1065
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:52,520
It's not their fault.

1066
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:53,520
She was in New Zealand.

1067
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:54,520
Yeah.

1068
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:56,760
No one looks for you in New Zealand.

1069
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:57,760
I'm angry.

1070
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:58,760
Why did they go there?

1071
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:02,560
This is an emotional roller coaster.

1072
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:03,560
It truly is.

1073
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:05,560
Like I'm starting to get tears in my eyes.

1074
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:10,360
I'm like, oh gosh, usually I make my guests cry.

1075
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:11,840
So now I'm crying here.

1076
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:12,840
All right.

1077
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:17,960
As far as why police did not conduct a full investigation, no one knows.

1078
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:23,000
Susan, her two brothers and two sisters believe it may have had to do with the fact that the

1079
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,680
children were in and out of foster care a lot.

1080
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:30,760
Plus her mother had handed Susan over to that couple to take to Disney World.

1081
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:35,920
There was never a police report and no paper trail to show that Susan had ever gone missing.

1082
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:37,680
That I find surprising.

1083
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:42,640
I don't find that surprising because the whole thing with, because maybe the kids were in

1084
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:48,600
foster care and it was the seventies when again, policing wasn't at its finest.

1085
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:53,320
And I feel like maybe because of the whole foster care issue and she had had, she had

1086
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,840
technically handed the child over, the police just thought, well, do you know what?

1087
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,480
It's another kid that would have ended up in care.

1088
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:00,480
Let's not worry about it.

1089
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,040
They've gone off with someone they know.

1090
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,640
I feel like maybe that might've come into play a little bit.

1091
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:05,640
I could be wrong.

1092
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:06,880
I could be a hundred percent wrong.

1093
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,400
No, I think you're right there because it's a stigma.

1094
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:11,400
Yeah.

1095
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:12,400
Unfortunately.

1096
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,720
So they were probably thinking, okay, well, I mean, just like you said, Susan would have

1097
00:46:15,720 --> 00:46:17,100
ended up in foster care.

1098
00:46:17,100 --> 00:46:21,160
So she was with a, let's air quote, good family, right?

1099
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:22,160
Yeah.

1100
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:29,600
Well, Susan now resides in Australia and is a mother of three and a grandmother of four.

1101
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:35,920
She and her husband operate fresh start missions, which is a charity that helps the less fortunate.

1102
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:37,680
I love that.

1103
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:41,820
I'll definitely add that to our show notes because I looked this up.

1104
00:46:41,820 --> 00:46:44,880
It's really an amazing organization based out of Australia.

1105
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:50,240
Truly Marty, that's the story of Susan Gervais.

1106
00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:51,240
Originally Susan Preece.

1107
00:46:51,240 --> 00:46:52,240
Oh my God.

1108
00:46:52,240 --> 00:46:53,240
Do you know what?

1109
00:46:53,240 --> 00:46:56,760
I can't believe I've never heard that story.

1110
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:57,760
I love that.

1111
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:01,800
I can't believe that I've not heard this on, because I listened to a lot of Australian

1112
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:06,000
podcasts as well and I can't believe I've never come across this story.

1113
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:09,480
It's such an interesting, amazing story.

1114
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,600
I can't believe that that's never come up.

1115
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:12,600
Yeah.

1116
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:13,600
I love that it's a happy ending.

1117
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:14,600
Yeah.

1118
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:18,160
That's why I do it because these are not the stories that are told.

1119
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:19,160
Yeah.

1120
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:20,960
So I'm here to tell them, me personally.

1121
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:21,960
I love that.

1122
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,640
Do you think there'll be a Netflix documentary in the next?

1123
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:30,200
I feel like that's a Netflix documentary waiting to happen.

1124
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:31,200
I don't know.

1125
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:35,360
People honestly don't like to hear the happy endings like this sometimes, especially if

1126
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:36,360
it's true crime.

1127
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:37,360
Yeah.

1128
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:38,360
Okay.

1129
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,600
We have Hallmark channel out there that's always got the happy endings and this could

1130
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:42,040
probably be on Hallmark.

1131
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:44,200
It's a bit gritty for Hallmark though, isn't it?

1132
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:45,200
That's true.

1133
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:50,960
It's usually some woman who is all upset, has to go home for the holidays and meets

1134
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:52,320
the man of her dreams there.

1135
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:58,240
Yes, falls in love with the baker that owns the bakery that they have to save because

1136
00:47:58,240 --> 00:48:00,680
the bakery is about to close down.

1137
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:05,720
And she's usually like a marketing person and she comes up with this amazing marketing

1138
00:48:05,720 --> 00:48:12,120
charity event and saves Christmas, but then she has to go home because something's happened.

1139
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:16,520
And then should she stay with the hunk, with his small family in his small town or should

1140
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,080
she go back to the city to her marketing job?

1141
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:22,880
No, she goes to the airport, but then she rushes back at the last minute because it

1142
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:27,280
snows and the plane's delayed and it saves Christmas.

1143
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:32,120
And of course he's got a young child that's super cute from his last marriage or his wife

1144
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:33,120
died.

1145
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:34,120
That's what happens.

1146
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:35,720
Oh, that's tragic.

1147
00:48:35,720 --> 00:48:37,640
I watch a lot of Christmas movies.

1148
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:39,800
I even doubt the true crime.

1149
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:40,800
It really does.

1150
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:41,800
Okay.

1151
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,040
Well, Marty, we're done.

1152
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,640
That was the story of Susan Gervais.

1153
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:48,120
I love that.

1154
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:52,080
And if you don't think I'm going to go and Google that in about five minutes and find

1155
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:57,000
out what she looks like, what her kids look like, check out the charity, check out that

1156
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:58,000
fairy place.

1157
00:48:58,000 --> 00:48:59,000
I'm on it.

1158
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:00,360
I'm on it like a carb on it.

1159
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:01,360
Yeah.

1160
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:02,360
I'm getting Effie on it.

1161
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,200
Effie's going to love this story.

1162
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:07,360
And she's also going to be like, I knew she was going to ask that question.

1163
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,960
She's so annoying.

1164
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:11,840
I'm glad I didn't do this case.

1165
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:12,840
That's what she'll be thinking.

1166
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:17,160
Effie, I would love to know if you had the answers this go around because I know I didn't

1167
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:21,360
for some of these, but apparently some of my notes showed that I did have the answers.

1168
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,360
It's just been a while since I've looked at the script.

1169
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:24,360
So yeah.

1170
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:28,200
All right, Marty, thank you so much for being with me today.

1171
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,080
This was amazing.

1172
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:35,680
Be sure to check out Marty and Effie on Instagram at Mums, Mysteries and Murder.

1173
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:40,600
And I also found you guys on Apple, Spotify and Amazon Music.

1174
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,280
So any final words?

1175
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,320
Thank you so much for having me.

1176
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:49,000
I absolutely love that story.

1177
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,480
I cannot believe I have not heard it.

1178
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:56,040
That's the first time I've actually sat that close to the laptop trying to get more information

1179
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:57,040
quicker.

1180
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:58,040
I'm so intrigued.

1181
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:00,120
I can't believe that I've never heard that story.

1182
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:01,240
So thank you so much.

1183
00:50:01,240 --> 00:50:02,240
I loved that.

1184
00:50:02,240 --> 00:50:04,400
It was such an amazing story.

1185
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:05,680
I love that too.

1186
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:10,320
Well, if you like this story as much as Marty, be sure to write in and let us know what you

1187
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:14,440
think or let us know what you think of any of our other episodes.

1188
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:18,000
Click on the links in our show notes to find out more about this podcast.

1189
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:22,000
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1190
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:26,600
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1191
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:28,920
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1192
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:33,920
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1193
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1196
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