1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:10,040 G'day, g'day, g'day and welcome everyone. That's our resident scaredy cat Kate. 2 00:00:10,040 --> 00:00:14,200 And that's the horror junkie Dominic. And you're listening to Shit N' Bricks. 3 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:16,840 A podcast where we talk shit about some scary stuff. 4 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:22,040 The sort of fear your asshole knows about. As always, subscribe, rate and review us. 5 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:25,400 And don't forget to follow us on social media at Shit N' Bricks podcast. 6 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,760 Alright drop your dacks, pop a squat and let's get into it. 7 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:31,960 Hi everyone, this is Deb from Dying to be Found. 8 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:41,280 Before we get started, I just wanted to say that episodes contain disturbing discussions on harmful acts and crimes against animals and or humankind. 9 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:47,480 Recordings are not intended for young or sensitive audiences due to the content nature of this podcast. 10 00:00:47,480 --> 00:01:03,000 Listener discretion is strongly advised. 11 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:07,840 Hi everyone, this is Deb, your host for Dying to be Found miniseries. 12 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:13,160 I like to call the Dash, which is a collection of shorter true crime stories. 13 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:18,240 Like I told you on our social media, things are going to be a little different this season. 14 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,320 So I hope that you guys enjoy these little snippets. 15 00:01:21,320 --> 00:01:28,160 And the cool thing is, is that I have lined up a great group of fellow podcasters this season to help me out. 16 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:32,480 And today I have Dominic and Kate from Shit N' Bricks. 17 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:33,520 Hi guys. 18 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:34,360 Hi. 19 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,880 Hello. 20 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:38,480 How are you today? 21 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:41,120 We're just so excited to be here, honestly. 22 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:47,920 I just can't stop smiling. I'm just so, this is our first, you know, we've done some little collabs and things like that, 23 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,880 but it's mostly just been through separate episodes. 24 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:58,200 This is the first time that we've done something where we are, you know, a part of another podcast and being recorded, which is so exciting. 25 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:02,720 Yeah, well, you guys are coming all the way from Australia. 26 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:06,720 And one of the things, Dom, I have talked with you a few times. 27 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:14,040 I don't know if you could tell, first of all, I feel like we're in a little time capsule here because you guys are in my future right now. 28 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:14,640 Yes. 29 00:02:14,640 --> 00:02:16,200 And I'm in your past. 30 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,360 So do you think that's how they came up with that concept? 31 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:20,360 That's what I want to know. 32 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:27,280 It's our very own episode of Back to the Future or Back to the Past, whichever way you want to take it. 33 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:28,200 Yeah. 34 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:29,920 And there's a 16 hour difference. 35 00:02:29,920 --> 00:02:32,360 So I stressed a little bit. 36 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:38,560 I just had to recheck my calendar and make sure that I am on cue as far as getting online with you guys. 37 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:40,320 So I'm glad that worked out today. 38 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:43,440 Yeah, no, it's it's only what, 10 o'clock in the morning for us. 39 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:48,680 So this is the best time of year to do the sort of time zone swap thing. 40 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:54,120 So good little tip for anyone listening is if you ever want to partner with Australia, 41 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:59,560 because we're on the arse end of the world, do it during your winter, our summer. 42 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:00,880 There you go. Yeah. 43 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:04,240 I actually have family there down in Tasmania. 44 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:05,720 A beautiful part of the country. 45 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:07,600 That's amazing. 46 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:08,560 Stunning. 47 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:14,760 Yeah. Well, before we dash into our story, I thought it would be cool to talk to you guys 48 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:20,440 and let our listeners know about your podcast and anything else that you want to share while we're talking here today. 49 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,920 I've laid out a mini interview for you guys. 50 00:03:23,920 --> 00:03:27,640 And of course, I'm sure you will indulge me for a couple of minutes. 51 00:03:27,640 --> 00:03:30,720 And if you guys are good to go, let's get started. 52 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:31,640 Let's get into it. 53 00:03:31,640 --> 00:03:35,200 Yay. I'm so excited. 54 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:39,280 It's just so nice even hearing someone say shitty bricks. 55 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:41,840 Just having the best time ever. 56 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:49,320 And I'll tell you, too, that is one thing that Beth and I came to agreements on that we would not swear in our podcast. 57 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:50,680 And look at me now. 58 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,000 Oh, sorry. 59 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,400 That's actually a good note for us, because, yeah, occasionally I think we've gotten better. 60 00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:00,360 I think at the start of our podcast, we would, you know, be dropping swear words here and there. 61 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:05,960 I think we've gotten better at it and just using them where it's sort of appropriate, I suppose, or in our stories. 62 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:07,280 But that's a handy tip. 63 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:11,440 But I mean, it kind of goes with the title of our podcast. 64 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:12,960 It does. It does. 65 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:14,400 And we're going to get into that in just a minute. 66 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:22,040 But before, I just wanted to ask you guys, how do you know each other and what made you two decide to start a podcast together? 67 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:23,120 It's a great question. 68 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:30,320 And I think people forget when they listen to our podcast that Kate and I are actually cousins. We're first cousins. 69 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,720 So my mum and her mum are sisters. 70 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:36,000 So we've known each other since birth. 71 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:46,240 And I don't know, Kate might want to correct me here, but Kate and I have always been the more drama showy showgirls of the family, that's for sure. 72 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:47,480 Absolutely. 73 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:58,960 And we've just been best friends for such a long time and during Covid, I think both of us were a bit creatively starved and disconnected from an audience. 74 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:00,440 We need people to witness us. 75 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:05,280 So I just reached out to Kate and I pitched her the Shitin' Bricks idea. 76 00:05:05,280 --> 00:05:11,200 And I think it took her all of like five seconds to say, yes, let's do this. 77 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:13,880 We've got such a passion for film. 78 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:20,040 And I am especially big on horror and I may have indoctrinated Kate a bit early on in her life. 79 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:21,360 So, yeah, the rest is history. 80 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:25,160 Now we're what? Two, what, in our third year, second, third year? 81 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:27,840 Yeah, nearly coming into our third year, I think. 82 00:05:27,840 --> 00:05:30,080 Wow, that's awesome. 83 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:31,480 Yeah. Well, good for you. 84 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:33,720 I love that. I have a tight knit family. 85 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:39,800 When I was growing up in Canada, I had cousins in Michigan that I would see and it was always me and my cousin, Joe. 86 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:45,120 So, Joe, if you're listening, I might be pulling you in on my own podcast because, you know, it's a family thing. 87 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:49,800 But that's so cool that you guys have grown up together and keep your interests the same. 88 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:51,400 It's really cool. I love that. 89 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:57,280 So how did you come up with your concept and what gives you guys inspiration behind your stories? 90 00:05:57,280 --> 00:06:01,280 So the name of your show is called obviously Shitin' Bricks. 91 00:06:01,280 --> 00:06:05,200 But how did you come up with that concept and everything that gives you inspiration? 92 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:10,000 Well, I think, I mean, Dominic was really the driving force behind this at the beginning. 93 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,520 You know, he was wanting to do something that was of interest to him. 94 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:22,520 And as he explained as well, we just needed to hear our own voices and to do something creative and just to get out of the COVID bubble, so to speak. 95 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:33,400 So we sort of got in touch and Dom always wanted to do something that was either based around horror films or something that scared people or the kind of true crime, but not quite. 96 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:38,200 And that sort of, you know, open platform to really find any stories. 97 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:48,400 And then once we came up with the title, so once we came up with Shitin' Bricks, which we felt like was quintessentially Australian, it's something that, you know, it's a phrase that we would use. 98 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:52,240 And once we came up with that, we're like, OK, now I think we're I think we kind of understand now. 99 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:56,360 So it's comedy. We can talk about whatever is scary. 100 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,400 We can talk about things that frighten us, frighten other people. 101 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,320 Yeah, that sort of theme, I suppose. 102 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:07,200 And that's how we came up with the concept. And then from then, it's just finding interesting stories. 103 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:12,760 Some of my favorite episodes that Dom has done, because we don't read each other's stories before we do them. 104 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:15,880 So we are each other's audience member, which I think helps as well. 105 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:20,720 So we will know usually what the topic is, but not often what the actual detail in the story is. 106 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:25,840 So when I get to learn things about Dominic's interests and then vice versa. 107 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,760 So I think we have a different type of storytelling. 108 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:30,400 We get to share that with each other. 109 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:34,680 So that's kind of the yeah, we just find what we enjoy talking about. 110 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,880 And that's the inspiration behind some of our stories. 111 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:42,880 The episodes that I've heard you tell us that, OK, this is what I'm going to be talking about next week. 112 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:47,120 But is that as far as that goes? You guys don't give each other any more insights? 113 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:49,000 Yeah, I love it. That's pretty much it. 114 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:52,000 So if we and do you know what, as well, sometimes we change that. 115 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,960 So we'll say, oh, I might do a story about this next week. 116 00:07:54,960 --> 00:08:00,200 And then, yeah, occasionally we'll get to that week and we'll have to either fit something in or switch an episode around, 117 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,280 because we've just found something else that interests us. 118 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,240 But that's it. That's pretty much the heads up. 119 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,680 We say, yeah, we're going to be talking about space next week. 120 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:09,400 That's it. We don't know what that means. 121 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:11,040 We don't know what that entails. 122 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:13,240 It's just that's what we feel like doing. 123 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:14,600 Not until you research it. 124 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:16,560 Exactly right. Yeah, exactly right. 125 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:17,600 Our episodes. So. 126 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:21,280 Well, that actually leads to a great question, because I was going to ask you, 127 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:23,360 how would you describe your communication style? 128 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:25,120 Yeah, it's such a great question. 129 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,360 I'm glad that you included it. 130 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:36,640 And it was something that Kate and I talked about very, very early on when we were coming up with or developing the concept for Shit in Bricks was in the market. 131 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:41,080 And I'm sure a lot of your listeners know there's already a lot of true crime podcasts out there. 132 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:46,800 And almost every story, at least that's somewhat historical, has already been covered. 133 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:54,120 Yes. And a gap that I really noticed in the market was just it was that that same thing that Red Handed does, 134 00:08:54,120 --> 00:09:03,320 that's very quintessentially British and all of their their followers really loved the fact that they were maybe repeating the same stories that have been already told. 135 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:07,800 But they were doing it from that perspective of a British sort of voice. 136 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:14,600 And Kate and I, because we've grown up together and we understand maybe comedy and humor, 137 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:19,480 maybe a little bit more than your average Joe Blow, just because of our history and education. 138 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:27,840 We really wanted to make sure that at the heart of everything that we did at Shit in Bricks was really leaning into that quintessential Australian borderline, 139 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:34,360 Bogan voice and storytelling and really introduce that to a whole audience that probably has never heard it before. 140 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:39,720 And at our family get togethers, it is just it is joke after joke after joke. 141 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,440 We are just howling at one another constantly. 142 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:44,840 And there's just never dead silence. 143 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:49,800 So I think we try to keep things very light, very casual. 144 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:53,960 We're often talking about very distressing, very serious things. 145 00:09:53,960 --> 00:10:02,720 Yes. And we've obviously been very inspired by other podcasts that do the same thing where we deal with our anxiety and our mental health through laughter. 146 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:04,640 That's something Kate and I share very much. 147 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:09,320 So we want to always be respectful, but we also just don't want to take ourselves too seriously. 148 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:12,800 So, yeah. And you guys do a really good job with that. 149 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,800 I think there is definitely a lot of respect there. 150 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:23,760 And that's what my own podcast is really about is trying to be as respectful as possible because there are still living survivors. 151 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,320 And you just have to take all that into consideration. 152 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:30,600 But the way you guys come across with your humor is tasteful. 153 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:34,480 And I get a good chuckle when I'm driving down the road listening to you guys. 154 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,360 So whatever you're doing, it works. 155 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:39,040 That's good. And I think, do you know what? 156 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:47,960 It took us a little while, the first few episodes, if anybody goes back and listens to our first maybe 10 episodes, we were really trying to find that balance. 157 00:10:47,960 --> 00:11:01,800 And that did take us a little bit because obviously Dominic and I have our own values and beliefs and our opinions on certain topics and controversial topics or things that are in the media at the time or whatever the case may be. 158 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:05,040 So it was really interesting finding that balance. 159 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:09,080 But then once we hit sort of episode 20, 30, we just went, do you know what? 160 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:12,880 This is us and this is how our listeners know us now. 161 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:21,040 So if people take offense and we're making a joke or something, they should know by now if they've listened from the start, our intention is right. 162 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:27,600 You know, our intention is around this is who we are and this is how we cope or this is how we talk about this situation. 163 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:34,600 So, yeah, it was a really difficult balance in the beginning because we were just tripping each other up almost at the start, just sort of going, oh, God, 164 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:36,360 we're talking about this horrible topic. 165 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:40,600 You know, you think of any true crime stories and the terrible things that happen to the victims. 166 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:46,440 And then we I know I was almost afraid to make any jokes or anything at the start because I didn't want to offend anybody. 167 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:51,040 Or but then when we realized, well, hang on a second, we're not doing it because you want to offend someone. 168 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:52,800 That's not never where we're coming from. 169 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:57,280 So it was it was a really interesting topic to discuss at the beginning. 170 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:00,800 So those, yeah, if I went back, I haven't listened to the first episodes that we've done. 171 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:06,920 Or I'm not sure, Deb, if you've listened to some of the first episodes that you've done in retrospect, but they change. 172 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:09,560 They really change quickly. So it's there. 173 00:12:09,560 --> 00:12:12,600 That was an interesting, interesting conversation at the start. 174 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:17,560 That was actually one of my questions I had for you, too, was, do you listen to your own episodes? 175 00:12:17,560 --> 00:12:19,920 So, Kate, you don't. 176 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:23,120 I mean, I I do. I do listen to episodes. 177 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:28,920 I think it's really it's a really important part of the craft in understanding how could I do better. 178 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:30,520 So reflection. Yes. 179 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:32,040 So I do listen to episodes. 180 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:36,080 I don't listen to every single one on a Friday. 181 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:37,840 That's the day that our podcast comes out. 182 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:44,320 But I certainly have it on, you know, my playlist in terms of, yeah, when I'm just around the house or doing things like that. 183 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:46,600 Yeah, I certainly definitely listen to it. 184 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:51,240 But it's not sort of I make sure I sit down and study every episode and go through that. 185 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:58,120 I have listened to 90 percent of our episodes and I trust Dominic does all of the back end and the editing and all that. 186 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:03,480 And I absolutely trust his I trust his skill, his talent, his ability. 187 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:06,480 So, yeah, when I listen to it and, you know, we're there. 188 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:13,000 So at the same time, I sort of go aside from some little surprises that Dom will sometimes put in post-production. 189 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:16,440 I've heard it. I've heard the app because we were talking about it. 190 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:20,160 So, yeah, it's really good in terms of reflection and in terms of craft. 191 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:23,760 But, yeah, I find it difficult to listen to myself, to be perfectly honest. 192 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,000 So that's that's part of it as well. 193 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,120 Dom, do you have anything to add? 194 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:32,400 Well, yeah, I listen to every episode. 195 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:35,120 Obviously, I listen to every episode during editing. 196 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:43,280 Yes. And I find that that is that can be quite interruptive of the of the process because you detach yourself. 197 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:44,480 You're getting very technical. 198 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:49,200 You're listening for lip smacks and gasps and ums and everything else. 199 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:54,720 So then I always go back, I give it a week and then I and then I go listen to the episode as if I'm an audience member. 200 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:59,760 And I'm I'm a hypercritical person of podcasts in a like a nice way. 201 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,960 But I'm with Kate and I do that when we watch film. 202 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,880 We just it's not that it's not positive or negative. 203 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:11,840 We just love to dissect all the technical elements of how things are put together. 204 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:16,360 We're not seeking perfection, but I really love to go back and listen to every episode. 205 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:21,320 And I tell you one that really changed and it goes back to your previous question, 206 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:28,560 something that changed Kate and I's confidence in communication style was when we did the Death Island episode, Kate. 207 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:32,680 Yes. You're probably not up to yet, Deborah, but it's a little bit in. 208 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:36,000 It's in the 20s, I think. And it's I'm almost there. 209 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,520 Yeah. This was our first international story. 210 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:47,760 This was another example of a story that we did before we went to a location and how much things changed for us, 211 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:55,000 especially me, since I was the person that visited and speaking to the locals and understanding the impact that that story 212 00:14:55,000 --> 00:15:03,600 and that that sort of branding or that image that's now being painted of that island and how terrible that can be. 213 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:08,640 Even just using the term Death Island, it's not it shouldn't be used, shouldn't be called Death Island. 214 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:14,760 And when you get to that episode, we do a sort of retraction episode afterwards, 215 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:19,080 really going into the detail of why it's still an interesting story. 216 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:20,840 We're never going to delete that episode. 217 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:28,400 But there was a learning journey for us in going, OK, now we know how we can both be respectful, but also share a story. 218 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:31,680 So, oh, yeah. And that shows growth to you on your own part. 219 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:38,520 Just you get better at what you do and you see the different ways that we we need to approach things. 220 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:40,400 So, yeah, that's that's great. 221 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:45,320 Well, if you guys were to have a dream guest on your podcast, who would that be? 222 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:48,920 You already have me here. So, yeah, well, that's it. 223 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:53,000 We've done it. We've kicked that box. We're good to go. 224 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:57,320 I think that's so it's really I was thinking about this last night, 225 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:04,080 and I find it really difficult because it depends because our podcast is so varied in what we talk about. 226 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:09,480 You know, I feel like I would want people, not necessarily anybody famous or anybody attached to another podcast. 227 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:13,280 I feel like I would just want to have, you know, and this is something I've talked about, 228 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:17,280 is that collection of people who have that real world experience. 229 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:23,320 So someone who's worked in an asylum, someone who's done work in a at a haunted house or has, 230 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:26,360 you know, worked somewhere that kind of covers off on some of our topics. 231 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:30,840 I spoke to so Dominic's sister, Jessica, is a nurse. 232 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:36,520 So I was talking to her because I did waking up in a coma episode is one that's much further down the track. 233 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:39,640 But I was speaking to her about, you know, how does anesthesia work? 234 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:42,600 Is this a common thing that happens to patients? 235 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:48,920 Having a chat with her about people who are almost experts or have real world experience in the topic that we're talking about, 236 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:53,440 because that's really what we do. I'm just I've become interested in our podcast. 237 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:56,680 I've become interested in learning about different things. 238 00:16:56,680 --> 00:17:03,080 And so that would be my dream guest is, I mean, ultimately, someone who's worked in an asylum would probably be my favorite. 239 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:09,080 I would I want to hear all the all the stories. But Dom, have you got someone else in mind or? 240 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:11,400 Yeah, I had a I had a real good think about it, too. 241 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:20,400 I think now that we're into, you know, our 60s, we we're starting to get a rhythm down where we really focus in on specific phobias 242 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:24,680 and going into the psychology of phobias and why they exist. 243 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:29,280 That's a big inspiration for Kate Knight. So I think it would be really lovely in the future. 244 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:38,000 Who knows? Maybe we could use this lovely platform that Deborah has introduced us to to actually have guests that experience those phobias. 245 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:45,000 And if they were brave enough or courageous enough to sit through one of our stories and talk us through, you know, what their experience is, 246 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:52,880 I think that could be really interesting. But on the flip side, I think we'd probably have Pierce Brosnan as our first famous guest. 247 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:57,360 Yeah. Surely. 248 00:17:57,360 --> 00:18:00,600 Yeah. Well, since you were just talking about that, too, 249 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:08,560 do you have any advice for our listeners on how we can avoid what scares us or how we can face those terrors head on? 250 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:14,280 I think I just recently watched the Final Destination series of films. 251 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:19,840 So, you know, for those who aren't familiar, it's essentially about death's plan. 252 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:28,120 It's about a group of kids and one of the kids has a like a premonition that the plane that he's on is going to blow up and that happens. 253 00:18:28,120 --> 00:18:33,160 But he manages to get off the plane and then follows a path of, oh, this was supposed to be the next victim. 254 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:41,400 This was supposed to be the next victim. And whilst they're like a teen gore thriller horror kind of film, I just think that there's something about that. 255 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:45,600 I think that you don't know. You don't know what's going to happen one day to the next. 256 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:50,880 You have no clue or control. And I think that's one thing that Dom and I figured out is, you know, 257 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:57,760 the number one fear that people have or at least top three, top five maybe is dying. 258 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:05,840 And so if that's there constantly and that stops you from living your life, then that's a concern. 259 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:08,320 That's you know, that's not the best, I suppose. 260 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:12,840 So the way I see it is it's something that's out of your control. Yes. 261 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:21,840 So you can only, you know, do what you can control, which is whether or not you want to be working where you work or living where you live or spending time with, you know, family and friends. 262 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:28,000 And that's the kind of stuff that you can have an impact on. But everything else is like, who knows? 263 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:31,760 So true. Yeah. And I think a lot of that comes with age and maturity as well. 264 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:37,040 You know, I'm of the mature life cycle here and I've had all my life experiences. 265 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:45,560 I've had my fears of the unknown growing up and in my 20s, just not even knowing about, oh my gosh, there's a big world out there. 266 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,720 But of course, that was way before the Internet and things like that. 267 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:53,200 So the Internet has even just opened up the whole world. Look at us now. 268 00:19:53,200 --> 00:20:00,760 When you you just have to face those fears, but it just may take maybe a little bit of age and maturity for that to really happen. 269 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:04,960 Yeah, definitely. And I think as much as Dom and I would like to consider ourselves, 270 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:08,720 you know, we can we can read the definition of phobias, but in no way, shape or form, 271 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:13,760 should anybody be listening to any advice we ever dish out? 272 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:17,040 But at the same time, yeah, you're right. It's you know, it's personal values. 273 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:20,600 It's a personal belief. But I mean, I was saying to Dom last week, 274 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:26,800 I'm becoming as I move into a more mature life cycle, also becoming more afraid of heights. 275 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:30,360 I've always been a bit afraid of heights, but I've just been noticing I'm becoming worse. 276 00:20:30,360 --> 00:20:36,720 Wow. So I want to do something to tackle that. Like airplanes and stuff doesn't don't bother me. 277 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:40,640 But if it's a percept, like if I can perceive the depth, it freaks me out. 278 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,680 I get like wobbly legs and all sorts. It's like, yeah, annoying. 279 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,560 So look, I'll attempt to do something about that. 280 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,960 But aside from that, other fears and stuff, I don't know, Dom, do you? 281 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:56,560 Yeah, well, I think we discussed it in one of our episodes, and it's something that I adopted pretty early on in life. 282 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:58,680 I've done it for the last maybe 20 years. 283 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:01,720 I have a list of all the things that I'm most afraid of. 284 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:06,360 And obviously, that list changes as your life progresses and you mature. 285 00:21:06,360 --> 00:21:12,160 But every year, instead of doing a New Year's resolution or whatever, I do set goals. 286 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:17,160 But one of the things I always set for myself is to conquer one of my fears that's on my list. 287 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:23,360 Wow. And that's what we explore in one of our episodes when I did diving. 288 00:21:23,360 --> 00:21:28,120 So I've always been irrationally afraid of being in deep water and going underwater. 289 00:21:28,120 --> 00:21:29,400 Yes, understood. 290 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:35,560 And I decided that instead of being crippled by that fear, 291 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:42,760 I didn't necessarily set the goal of I have to go dive and I have to be the best diver or I have to go swim with a shark. 292 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:46,320 It was more that I needed to commit to myself to for this year. 293 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:50,600 I'm going to attempt this fear. I'm going to play with this fear. 294 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,760 I'm going to interact with it and see how far can I push it. 295 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,800 And diving is now one of my favorite things. 296 00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:02,160 I'm still very much afraid of it, but it's now one of my favorite things to do when I travel. 297 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,640 And I'm going to be diving for the rest of my life. 298 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:08,080 Wow. That is an amazing story. 299 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:15,880 Yeah. So it's just a bit of like, I think it's just setting that behavior or that practice in me that I know each year I'm going to face one. 300 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:21,240 And another great example is me always being afraid of being on stage, public speaking, 301 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:26,680 being just having any sort of audience when I was young, that thought just crippled me. 302 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:32,440 And I would be sick. I'd vomit. My knees would shake. I just, you know, I couldn't even physically do it. 303 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:38,760 And I went when I was doing my second degree, I had an extra major subject that I could pick and I didn't know what to pick. 304 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,560 So I ended up doing a three year degree in performance art. 305 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:47,200 And now I'm if you give me a stage, I'll be on it. I'll push people off it. 306 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:51,600 Like, I love being in front of people and I love performing and I do drag all the time. 307 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,360 And that's cool. 308 00:22:53,360 --> 00:23:02,400 It's just it's another fear that if I hadn't have faced it or tried to just interact with it is the only way I wouldn't say conquer it, but just interact with it. 309 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:07,000 Yeah, because it makes things easier. The more you do it, the easier it gets for sure. 310 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:11,560 I don't. Sorry, I have to think inside my head for a moment. 311 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:18,440 Please do. I try to not do that too much because it's scary up in here. So I just. 312 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:22,360 I'm pausing. All right. Well, that is wonderful, you guys. 313 00:23:22,360 --> 00:23:25,560 I appreciate the questions that you guys answered for us. 314 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:29,320 And I just the one more question for you. Where can we find you online? 315 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:34,120 Great question. We are on lots of social media platforms. 316 00:23:34,120 --> 00:23:38,120 So we have a YouTube channel. It's just plain old recordings of our episodes. 317 00:23:38,120 --> 00:23:44,760 So for those that need to see instead of hear whatever your accessibility needs are, we're on YouTube. 318 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:48,640 We also have Instagram. Our TikTok is probably our funnest channel. 319 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:54,960 So I would go recommend. I don't know if you're into TikTok or not, but yeah, you can find us on all those channels. 320 00:23:54,960 --> 00:24:01,040 Just look up Shitten Bricks podcast. So there's no G at the end of Shitten. 321 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:05,200 You just get numb to it. You just say it so many times it doesn't sound like a bad word. 322 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:10,480 But yeah, that's our socials. And then, Kate, you might want to talk about Patreon. 323 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:15,600 Yeah, absolutely. So again, Shitten Bricks podcast. You can find us on Patreon. 324 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:19,440 We've got some bonus episodes, which we've been same as you, Deb. 325 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:24,160 We've been trying to catch up or give ourselves a bit of a break over the over Christmas and New Year's here. 326 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:30,240 So we have done probably what five episodes in the past week and a half, plus a couple of bonus ones. 327 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:34,800 So those bonus episodes are separate to our main episode. 328 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:41,720 So those are just for our Patreon subscribers. But we also have early release of episodes on a Thursday rather than a Friday. 329 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:45,680 Yes, additional content as well as, yeah, updates and everything. 330 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:50,480 We're planning on having a live show in the New Year. So in 2023. 331 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:54,000 So that's something that Patreon subscribers will hear about first and foremost. 332 00:24:54,000 --> 00:25:00,680 So just lots of little things. And it also obviously just goes to support us and what we're doing and hopefully help us to continue to grow. 333 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:06,120 So the more people we have on there, it's like five bucks a month that we love that. That would be amazing. 334 00:25:06,120 --> 00:25:11,480 Yeah, that sounds great. So definitely go check them out on their social medias. And absolutely. 335 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:18,560 But I have a question for you guys now. I have a story on Cleo Smith. And do we have time for that? 336 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:24,840 That's what I need to know from you guys. Absolutely. Yeah, I'm locked in. I'm here today. 337 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:30,200 I don't know if you've got anything else planned, but I'm here for the rest of the night. 338 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,000 My my husband's at work. The dogs are downstairs. 339 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:38,560 I turn the music on. So hopefully you won't hear Dennis barking because he just loves to join in sometimes. 340 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:44,040 I love that your dog's name is Dennis. That is what is it? So two dogs. So you've got Dennis and who else? 341 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:50,640 Dennis and Ava. Oh my God. I love that. That's brilliant. Well, I mean, I don't mind if Dennis joins in. 342 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:56,600 OK, so great. You all I am so excited to be talking with you and definitely go check them out. 343 00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:01,520 And if you guys have a couple more minutes, we will go into my little storyline, 344 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:10,960 because today we're going to talk about Cleo Smith, a four year old girl who was snatched from her tent on October 16th of 2021 345 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:16,520 while camping in let me see if I can get this name right here. I don't know if you guys correct me. 346 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:21,760 Carnivon. That doesn't sound correct. 347 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:28,720 Look, it doesn't sound right, but we'll just say it's a coastal town with a population of 5000 people. 348 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:37,080 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is about 900 kilometers or 560 miles from Perth in Western Australia. 349 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:41,440 I'm going to say Carnivon. I would say Carnivon, although, you know, I could be wrong. 350 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:45,160 I haven't spent a lot of time in Western Australia, but I think Carnivon. 351 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:52,040 That sounds like it was in the news more. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. Sorry. Sorry. 352 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:56,920 No, it's OK. Hopefully I don't have to say it again. 353 00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:06,200 Cleo, her mother, Ellie, her stepdad, Jake, and her sister had just set up camp at Quaba Blowholes Campsite. 354 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,200 Hope I said that one right, too. Yeah. 355 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:16,440 Which is considered to be a destination site for outdoor enthusiasts due to its location, scenery, caves and lagoons. 356 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:20,760 And I didn't ask you guys this question because I like to start off that way. But do you guys go camping? 357 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:25,000 Yes, me, I do. 358 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,320 Can I tell you my idea of camping? And I've used this line so many times. 359 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:34,040 But my idea of camping is accommodation that has a shower curtain instead of a shower door. 360 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:38,720 That's camping to me. So I do not camp. 361 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:43,360 I do not want to camp if I'm forced to camp. I will not be happy. 362 00:27:43,360 --> 00:27:47,040 But no, it's not for me. Everything is too difficult. 363 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,720 Like you just make a cup of tea. It takes you like an hour. 364 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,760 And I can't with I've just beyond that part of my life. I just can't. 365 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:59,000 It's too much. Yeah. Yeah. I'm at the point where I need a bed and a shower myself and a kitchenette. 366 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:06,040 Yeah. Well, the Smiths settled into their first night at the campgrounds in a two room tent. 367 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:13,200 And Ellie and Jake were on one side of the tent, while Cleo and her sister were on the other side of the tent. 368 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:22,480 Between the hours of 1 a.m. and 6 a.m. on October 16th, Cleo was taken from where she was sleeping next to her sister. 369 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:29,160 The sleeping bag was also taken and the tent zipper was open to the height of an adult. 370 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:35,880 So authorities, when they started investigating, noticed that Cleo could not have gotten herself out of that tent. 371 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:43,040 Good point to make. Yeah. Campers reported hearing a car leave the camp around three o'clock in the morning, 372 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:48,480 which was later spotted by a motorist passing by the area around that same time. 373 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:56,560 And Ellie told authorities that she had gotten Cleo a glass of water somewhere around that one o'clock hour. 374 00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:01,240 So between that time and with the other campers feedback, 375 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:08,040 police were able to narrow down the timeline that Cleo had disappeared, which is between that one o'clock and six o'clock in the morning. 376 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:17,160 Now, police began an extensive search using a 100 person police force, drones, horseback and military 377 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:25,040 search equipment to blanket around 600 kilometers or 373 miles of Western Australia. 378 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:30,000 But they could not find Cleo anywhere. So you guys know about this story, right? 379 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,320 Yeah, it was huge. It was a massive news item for sure. 380 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,720 Yeah. And something for listeners that are not based in Australia, 381 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:43,600 you really have to just comprehend how much space there is, especially in Western Australia. 382 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:47,840 That area, there wouldn't have been more than like 20 people living. 383 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,880 It's just so vast and so empty. 384 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:57,520 And if you get lost, it's it's a whole another set of complications and challenges, right? 385 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:06,320 Absolutely. Well, the police also interviewed every person registered at the campsite that night, all 110 of them. 386 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:12,240 And they began piecing together information that the campers provided through their cell phone news. 387 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:17,320 Just, you know, any time that you guys are around your campsite, you know, you're going to take pictures or what have you. 388 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,680 So they were able to provide some information from their cell phones. 389 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:24,800 Plus, there was a CCTV surveillance footage that they could look at as well. 390 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:29,920 But I'm personally pretty impressed with how quickly everybody acted on this. 391 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:36,560 I mean, I guess that would definitely happen when a child goes missing, but they acted really quickly, which is good. 392 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:40,080 Yeah, agreed. And I think the sheer magnitude of the reaction as well. 393 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,280 It went from zero to 100 real fast. 394 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:48,960 Like they just went, yeah, we're all on this. Let's get everybody, everybody involved, which was amazing. 395 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:58,560 Yeah, just just overnight here in Australia, we had four teenagers going missing off the bay in Mornington Peninsula near where Kate and I live. 396 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:03,720 Four teenagers who were afloat at night in the bay for the entire night. 397 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,720 And I wouldn't say like the state shut down, but it was number one story. 398 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,280 Everyone knew what was going on, where to look. 399 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:14,280 And because we're a coastal sort of country, everyone lives on the coast. 400 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:15,480 Everyone knows how to swim. 401 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,280 Everyone's used to being in the water. 402 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,360 And you just you know, the gravity of the situation. 403 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,200 And luckily, they were found this morning. 404 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,320 All four of them have been rescued. But that's good news. 405 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:32,600 This sort of thing is everyone's very aware and the community always responds like always, which is fantastic. 406 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,440 Yeah, hypersensitive. 407 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:43,720 Well, a one million dollar reward, which would be equal to about seven hundred and forty three US dollars, that was also issued. 408 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:52,600 And phone calls plus bounty hunters came out of the woodwork, but nothing of substance really came to fruition from the reward being put out. 409 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:58,240 Some articles that I read said that maybe they put that reward out a little bit too soon. 410 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,040 But I mean, it really didn't account for very much. 411 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:07,400 It was like you guys said, everybody just really came together and did their piece trying to find Cleo. 412 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:13,920 So really the reward, whether it was there or not, it seemed like there was definitely some some movement on this. 413 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:19,080 It's not really in Australian culture to to be driven by money in a situation like this. 414 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,960 I mean, to be perfectly honest, that's part of a story I didn't know. 415 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,440 I didn't realize there was a million dollar reward. 416 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,040 That seems so silly to me. 417 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:28,480 Yeah, exactly. 418 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:35,760 Well, it shows your humanity for sure, which small children, I don't know who would be driven by money, but there's somebody out there. 419 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:37,240 I mean, the bounty hunters came. 420 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,520 Yeah, that's it. They came out of the woodwork. 421 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,080 But didn't end up helping. 422 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:53,120 Data from nearby cell towers were also reviewed, which led the police to a man named Terrence Darryl Kelly, age 36. 423 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:58,000 And he was not originally on the list of suspects that police had accumulated. 424 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:02,560 But any guesses, you guys, as to what put him on the police's radar? 425 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:09,880 I'm trying to remember, but I'm also just trying to think of an answer without having prior information. 426 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,760 Did he post something on Tick Tock? 427 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:20,160 No, but he had a long list of past visits at Coobah Blow Hills campsite. 428 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:25,360 Oh, yeah. Just visiting, like just checking it out or as in staying there. 429 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,960 Well, I feel like I mean, I don't know how it's set up there. 430 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:33,200 So if you have to register, sure, you're going to write your name down if you're registered. 431 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:38,600 But do you have to sign in if you are coming to that website, coming to a campsite there? 432 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:44,760 Because here where I live, you usually have to sign in if you're not a registered guest. 433 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,400 So that could be I'm not really sure. 434 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:54,800 Oh, OK. I'm definitely the wrong person to ask in terms of campsite etiquette because I try to avoid them. 435 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:59,000 I agree. You know, if you're at a hotel, you do leave a credit card. 436 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,560 That's but that's my level of accommodation worries. 437 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:06,240 Well, Kelly was of no relation to the Smiths. 438 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:10,760 But during the investigation, Ellie, who is Cleo's mom, 439 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:16,000 she regularly posted updates of Cleo's disappearance on Facebook, 440 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:20,080 which will come in in just a couple of minutes when we're talking about this. 441 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:21,560 So just keep that in mind. 442 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:26,200 Now, police got the break that they needed in less than three weeks 443 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:31,040 when they identified something very specific about that car 444 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:35,320 that was seen driving away from the campsite the night that Cleo disappeared. 445 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:43,400 So whoever saw the car, honestly, I have tried to figure out what that very specific thing was about the car. 446 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:47,680 But I could not find anything. You guys might have some feedback on that. 447 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:53,000 I could not find anything to say an identifier for that vehicle. 448 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,760 But police did notice something. 449 00:34:55,760 --> 00:35:01,720 I feel like it was it was either like a sticker or it was something like on the car, 450 00:35:01,720 --> 00:35:04,840 like some sort of panel damage or something like that. 451 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:09,080 Yeah. But I remember there being something in the news where they were like, yeah, they noticed this thing. 452 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,880 And I just in my head, it keeps popping up that it was like a sticker, 453 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:16,080 like a bumper sticker or like a religious symbol or something on the car. 454 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:20,040 You know, you can stick those on sometimes. But yeah, I don't know, though. 455 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:26,200 Well, according to the BBC, Kelly, who would not have any reason otherwise, 456 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:30,080 was seen by one of his neighbors buying diapers at a local store. 457 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:34,120 So he obviously didn't have that reason to buy diapers. 458 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,040 And they were called nappies in the article, by the way. 459 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,280 I had to go look that up to see what the heck that was. 460 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,280 That's a little Aussie word nappies. 461 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:49,520 After a thorough investigation, police raided Kelly's locked home 18 days after Cleo disappeared. 462 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:54,840 And Kelly was not home at the time. I guess he was out getting diapers. 463 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:59,680 Cleo was discovered inside the house all by herself. 464 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,760 I mean, what the heck, guys? Yeah. 465 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:05,760 All right. When the police came upon Cleo inside the house, 466 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,320 one of the policemen picked her up and asked her her name. 467 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,640 And she simply answered, my name is Cleo. 468 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:16,320 I mean, I have goosebumps. That's so sweet. Yeah. Yeah. 469 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,960 And there's a photo, if anyone is interested, there's a does. 470 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,800 It's just a classic photo of that moment, which was captured on film. 471 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,520 But they just did a still shot of it. And it's very heartwarming. 472 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:31,360 It is every picture I saw of Cleo. She's smiling. 473 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,960 She's just a just a naturally happy, happy child. 474 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:41,320 So that's one of the reasons why I'm doing the dash is because I need some happy endings here. 475 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:45,720 Definitely. So that was really, really heartwarming, because I did see that picture. 476 00:36:45,720 --> 00:36:48,000 And that was just just beautiful. All right. 477 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:53,200 Even though Kelly was not at home during the time when the police raided his house, 478 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:59,360 he was holding Cleo just blocks from her own house in the same town. 479 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,520 That's crazy. Yeah. 480 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:06,280 So in a state like that is so vast that you could, you know, 481 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,760 potentially just try to throw a dart to figure out where they might be. 482 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,640 They're just down the road. That that's what really got people as well. 483 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:17,440 Yeah, because the police did say it was like finding a needle in the haystack. 484 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:23,080 Yeah, I just when I saw that, I could not believe I guess it would be easier because she was so little. 485 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:27,000 And it's easier to keep a small child inside a house. 486 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,080 But I just could not believe that in the same town. 487 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:39,040 Well, Terrence Kelly was charged with forcibly or fraudulently taking or enticing a child under the age of 16. 488 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:43,160 And he eventually pleaded guilty to child stealing. 489 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:48,160 And his sentencing hearing took place in December of 2022. 490 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:54,600 When I went to go look up Terrence Kelly and his sentencing, I don't know if you guys heard about this. 491 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,760 He had a little healthy obsession with something. Did you guys hear about his obsession? 492 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:06,000 No, no, no. Oh, my. He loves Bratz dolls. Oh, no. 493 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:11,240 Interesting. I mean, that's fine. If you like Bratz dolls, if you're listening to this and Bratz your thing, that's OK. 494 00:38:11,240 --> 00:38:17,240 But there's something about Bratz dolls and kidnapping little kids that they don't go really well together for me. 495 00:38:17,240 --> 00:38:19,920 Agreed. I mean, that's not the worst of it. 496 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,640 There is a picture posted online with him wearing a Bratz T-shirt, 497 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:29,440 and he was holding very proudly two Bratz dolls in the photo. So he was posing with them. 498 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:34,840 And not only that, but he had a room full of Bratz dolls. 499 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:38,880 When you walk in, all you see is wall to wall Bratz dolls. 500 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,960 Yeah, there's something creepy about that for sure. 501 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:46,040 As Dom and I always say on our podcast, we will never yuck someone's yum. 502 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:51,920 But even that sounds like too many Bratz dolls for it to be just a low key hobby. 503 00:38:51,920 --> 00:39:00,800 Yeah, yes. Well, one final thought is when I had mentioned that Cleo's mother had posted updates on social media, 504 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:06,920 police discovered that Kelly had befriended Ellie, that's Cleo's mother, on Facebook, 505 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:11,000 and he had been keeping tabs on her and her family. 506 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:15,880 Oh, no. Dominique, you look like you knew that. Kate, you look a little shocked. 507 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:23,320 Yeah, just other information details are coming into my mind. But Dom, did you? You knew that? 508 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:28,120 Yeah, look, I must admit, I teed it off the story once I knew Cleo had been found, 509 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:32,920 because it's just I think if anyone knows anything about kidnappings and lost people, 510 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,160 it's just those first few days are so vital. 511 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:44,560 And once it got to 18 days, you know, your heart just sinks and you hope against anything that they'll find the child. 512 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:50,320 But I remember one little detail and Kate and I have talked about this lots on our podcast. 513 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:59,760 A lot of people who perpetrate in this sort of manner do want to go back and they do want to revel in whatever it is that they have committed or done 514 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:06,320 or want to be a part of the solution or investigation and enjoy whatever, whatever the hell it is. 515 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:13,360 But there's always those very it's and it's credit to police and investigators that do such a great job. 516 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:18,320 One of those small little details is never insignificant. It makes a huge difference. 517 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:28,960 So right. Well, during Cleo's disappearance, Kelly also posted a cryptic message on Facebook saying that he needed some privacy 518 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:37,120 and could not accept friend requests from strangers. He also added us adults have to be careful online, too. 519 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:45,600 So this was after after Cleo disappeared. Well, needless to say, you guys, that's we do have a happy ending here. 520 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:53,200 And that is my short and sweet picture of Cleo Smith, our storyline of Cleo Smith. 521 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:58,360 And so, like I said, I was going to try to keep our episodes a little shorter than usual. 522 00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:05,480 But I wanted to give you guys an opportunity to add anything else that you guys want to about this story or about your podcast, 523 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:10,400 because that's that's Cleo Smith. I'm just so happy they found her. 524 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:14,120 Yes. So well done, Deborah. That was fantastic. 525 00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:19,400 And I'm so glad that you told that story because it is a relatively fresh and new story. 526 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:25,560 And it does have such a happy ending, which isn't always the case. So well done. 527 00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:31,920 Thank you. You guys are my guinea pigs. This is my very first recording session. 528 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:36,720 And so I still don't have any idea on the full direction that it's going to go. 529 00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:41,160 I guess it just depends on some of the time that you guys had. Thank you so much for sticking with me. 530 00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:44,000 But I do want to thank you all for being here today. 531 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,120 And I'm glad that we could spend this episode together. 532 00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:52,520 And I personally will say that you guys have one of my favorite podcasts out there. 533 00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:59,360 I highly encourage our listeners to go listen to you guys and wherever you get your podcasts and on social media. 534 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:04,520 Thank you so much for having us. And when we sort of at the start, when we started answering some questions, 535 00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:08,240 I just sort of looked at Dom and I was like, this is not going to go for 20 minutes. 536 00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:12,200 We will just talk and talk and talk. We don't need much. 537 00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:17,120 You just give us a little bit of rope and we will run with it. Like, we'll go. So thank you for letting us. 538 00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:24,000 Oh, yeah. I try to keep the question list relatively small, but I figured with it, with the interaction, everything, honestly, 539 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:30,600 I mean, I've only been in the podcast arena for nine, 10 months now, 540 00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:35,600 but I just really feel like it's just a really nice community and we're all in it together. 541 00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:39,800 So, yeah, I appreciate you guys coming on today. You are most welcome. 542 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:44,560 No worries at all. 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