1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,040 Hi everyone, this is Deb from Dying to be Found. 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:12,340 Before we get started, I just wanted to say that episodes contain disturbing discussions on harmful acts and crimes against animals and or humankind. 3 00:00:12,340 --> 00:00:18,560 Recordings are not intended for young or sensitive audiences due to the content nature of this podcast. 4 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:33,760 Listener discretion is strongly advised. 5 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:38,960 Hi everyone, this is Deb, your host from the True Crime Podcast, Dying to be Found. 6 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,960 Welcome back to our little spin-off called Dying to be Found the Dash. 7 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:46,260 I'm glad you found us because it's all in the name. 8 00:00:46,260 --> 00:00:50,460 I started the Dash to give listeners a collection of short true crime stories. 9 00:00:50,460 --> 00:00:56,160 And if you're a binge listener like me, you can get through a couple of episodes in one day. 10 00:00:56,160 --> 00:01:03,160 You can see that some of these episodes I do go solo, but today's your lucky day because that's not going to happen. 11 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:08,760 I have Jenny and Dee Dee from the True Crime Podcast, Murder on My Street to help me out. 12 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:09,760 Hi guys. 13 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:10,960 Hi. 14 00:01:10,960 --> 00:01:11,960 Welcome. 15 00:01:11,960 --> 00:01:13,360 I'm excited you're here. 16 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:14,760 Thank you for having us. 17 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:15,560 Absolutely. 18 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:16,560 We're very excited. 19 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:17,060 Yeah, me too. 20 00:01:17,060 --> 00:01:18,360 It's so great to meet you. 21 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:20,560 I love putting the face to the voice. 22 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:27,160 I try to get some podcasters on here so that my listeners know what I like to listen to. 23 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:32,560 I'm going to sound like a little game show host here and I'm going to give you some instructions. 24 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:34,860 Ask questions if you want. 25 00:01:34,860 --> 00:01:37,160 We're going to go into a little mini interview session. 26 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:43,160 I'll ask you some questions about Murder on My Street and you can tell us anything that you want. 27 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:45,260 Something maybe that I didn't put in there. 28 00:01:45,260 --> 00:01:47,760 I didn't ask you about anything that I didn't mention. 29 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:54,660 And then when we're done, you guys can listen to one of my little mini episodes and we'll just have a conversation about it. 30 00:01:54,660 --> 00:01:54,960 Great. 31 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:55,560 How about that? 32 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:56,760 Sounds great. 33 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:57,560 Perfect. 34 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:04,060 I always find it fascinating how people start podcasts and I know personally it's a really big commitment. 35 00:02:04,060 --> 00:02:11,960 How did you guys decide to start a podcast together knowing that you had to put some time in together because there is a lot behind the scenes. 36 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,160 I approached Dee Dee with the idea. 37 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:17,260 Yeah, I had gotten fired and I was very sad. 38 00:02:17,260 --> 00:02:24,760 Oh my well not fire once he fired it was during the middle of the pandemic and Jen's like, hey, let's do a podcast starting in January. 39 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:27,760 I'm like, well, I don't know work and might as well do something. 40 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,160 So she's like, you don't have to do anything. 41 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:31,060 I'll do all the work. 42 00:02:31,060 --> 00:02:33,260 I'm like even better. 43 00:02:33,260 --> 00:02:36,160 What it's nice just to show up. 44 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:39,460 I just get to have a chat with my friend each week. 45 00:02:39,460 --> 00:02:40,260 Okay. 46 00:02:40,260 --> 00:02:41,060 I love that. 47 00:02:41,060 --> 00:02:46,160 Yeah, I got fired once too and I still don't know why but it was a long time ago. 48 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:52,860 Yeah, it was it was it was out of the blue to say to for sure but I think that's how it happens. 49 00:02:52,860 --> 00:02:55,660 They don't like to give you notice that's about to happen. 50 00:02:55,660 --> 00:02:57,360 They want you to work a half a day. 51 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,060 Yeah, and then they're going to pull you in. 52 00:03:00,060 --> 00:03:04,060 You're going to see human resources sitting there and you're going to know what's about to happen. 53 00:03:04,060 --> 00:03:05,360 Well, see, I didn't even get that. 54 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:06,160 I didn't even get that. 55 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:12,860 I showed up to a meeting on Monday and they said we have to let you know your position has been terminated. 56 00:03:12,860 --> 00:03:14,560 What did not see it coming? 57 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,560 What no not at all. 58 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:18,460 Not at all. 59 00:03:18,460 --> 00:03:19,660 Did you get a severance package? 60 00:03:19,660 --> 00:03:20,760 Yes, I did. 61 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:21,460 That's good. 62 00:03:21,460 --> 00:03:23,760 But it was it was a shock. 63 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:29,360 It was a shock and I had been there just shy of 26 years. 64 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:31,060 So it was a shock. 65 00:03:31,060 --> 00:03:31,860 It was a shock. 66 00:03:31,860 --> 00:03:33,160 Oh my gosh. 67 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:42,660 My first this same company the same company did the same thing to Dee Dee's mother after she was there for her career. 68 00:03:42,660 --> 00:03:43,260 Yeah. 69 00:03:43,260 --> 00:03:45,060 Wow, that's awful. 70 00:03:45,060 --> 00:03:46,160 That's how it goes. 71 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:51,860 Well, I'm glad the light at the end of that tunnel is that we have murder on my street to listen to now. 72 00:03:51,860 --> 00:03:56,160 All right. 73 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:58,360 Oh gosh, Jenny, how about you? 74 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:04,060 How do you handle that commitment of long-term getting episodes out every week? 75 00:04:04,060 --> 00:04:05,860 It is a grind. 76 00:04:05,860 --> 00:04:10,260 If I'm not in school, then I manage it quite well. 77 00:04:10,260 --> 00:04:15,860 I think the thing is Dee Dee and I have been doing it long enough now that I don't have to edit as much. 78 00:04:15,860 --> 00:04:16,460 True. 79 00:04:16,460 --> 00:04:17,760 Yeah, the time does go down. 80 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:19,660 And that's a huge help. 81 00:04:19,660 --> 00:04:20,260 Oh, yeah. 82 00:04:20,260 --> 00:04:24,860 And when it comes to research, I naturally gravitate. 83 00:04:24,860 --> 00:04:30,160 I've always been fascinated by the fact that someone can just disappear off the face of the earth. 84 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:36,260 And 10 years later, 20 years later, 30 years later, we still don't have answers as to what happened. 85 00:04:36,260 --> 00:04:39,960 And unsolved murders really bother me. 86 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:46,960 So I'm naturally during the week surfing the internet anyways and seeking out stories like that. 87 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:52,960 So to do research, I basically fall down rabbit holes, even if I didn't have a podcast. 88 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:53,360 Right. 89 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:54,760 So do you find other story? 90 00:04:54,760 --> 00:05:01,460 When you're looking at a storyline, do you go ahead and just write down the next storyline based on some, 91 00:05:01,460 --> 00:05:05,160 you know how those rabbit holes can really just, I mean, really spread out. 92 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:11,160 So I think I've done that a time or two where I've looked into other cases because of the one case I was looking at. 93 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:12,860 Yeah, sometimes that will happen. 94 00:05:12,860 --> 00:05:17,160 And then I'll have to write someone's name down and go back for that as well. 95 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:17,860 Gotcha. 96 00:05:17,860 --> 00:05:21,560 What do your friends and family think about you guys doing a true crime podcast? 97 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:22,660 Oh my God. 98 00:05:22,660 --> 00:05:26,260 Well, Dee Dee's sister is like our biggest fan. 99 00:05:26,260 --> 00:05:27,060 She loves it. 100 00:05:27,060 --> 00:05:31,260 My dad said he was going to listen, but he's not listening. 101 00:05:31,260 --> 00:05:32,760 They can't find it. 102 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:34,360 Mom can't find it either. 103 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,060 And my mother, absolutely not. 104 00:05:36,060 --> 00:05:36,860 She would never. 105 00:05:36,860 --> 00:05:38,660 Why do you want to talk about that? 106 00:05:38,660 --> 00:05:39,960 Okay, it's fine, Mom. 107 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:43,460 You don't have to listen. 108 00:05:43,460 --> 00:05:44,960 Does she know we quote her? 109 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,160 I tell her and she just laughs. 110 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:48,060 Oh man. 111 00:05:48,060 --> 00:05:52,360 What have you guys learned from each other while working on Murder on My Street? 112 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:55,060 Jenny, you and Dee Dee grew up together, right? 113 00:05:55,060 --> 00:05:55,360 Right. 114 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:55,860 Yes. 115 00:05:55,860 --> 00:05:59,360 We met when I was three and Dee Dee was two. 116 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:00,860 You guys remember that moment? 117 00:06:00,860 --> 00:06:01,360 No. 118 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:06,660 No, I remember being at the preschool, but I don't remember. 119 00:06:06,660 --> 00:06:11,760 My mom would always say I would come home from preschool and I was just nonstop. 120 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:13,260 Jenny, Jenny, Jenny, Jenny, Jenny. 121 00:06:13,260 --> 00:06:13,760 So. 122 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:14,960 That is so sweet. 123 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:19,060 So what, so you guys have known each other for a long time and what have you learned 124 00:06:19,060 --> 00:06:21,160 each other since doing the podcast? 125 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:23,260 I didn't know Dee Dee could sing. 126 00:06:23,260 --> 00:06:23,960 Huh? 127 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:28,260 You can. 128 00:06:28,260 --> 00:06:32,360 In our Springfield 3 episode, your voice is amazing. 129 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:34,760 Oh, hooray. 130 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:35,860 Look at me. 131 00:06:35,860 --> 00:06:37,160 I didn't know. 132 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:38,360 That's what I learned. 133 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,260 I didn't know I was a star. 134 00:06:41,260 --> 00:06:41,960 Thank you. 135 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:45,060 What have I learned about Jennifer? 136 00:06:45,060 --> 00:06:49,560 I didn't know she was into the rainbow colored hair. 137 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:50,860 I just love it. 138 00:06:50,860 --> 00:06:54,160 I love this part of her personality. 139 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,060 I just love it so much. 140 00:06:56,060 --> 00:06:57,660 I was a late bloomer with it. 141 00:06:57,660 --> 00:06:58,560 I love it. 142 00:06:58,560 --> 00:06:59,460 It's a phase. 143 00:06:59,460 --> 00:07:00,360 Don't worry about it. 144 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:02,860 It's fine. 145 00:07:02,860 --> 00:07:07,660 If you guys could trade true crime for any other podcast genre, what would that be? 146 00:07:07,660 --> 00:07:07,960 Okay. 147 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:12,860 It's funny that you asked that question because I actually do have another podcast. 148 00:07:12,860 --> 00:07:13,460 Really? 149 00:07:13,460 --> 00:07:19,360 That is on hiatus right now called Blame It on the Badge and it's a vagina podcast. 150 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:20,160 Wow. 151 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:20,860 Tell me more. 152 00:07:20,860 --> 00:07:21,860 I'm intrigued. 153 00:07:21,860 --> 00:07:29,960 So one of my besties is a librarian and our friends got really tired of us talking about 154 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:34,860 our vaginas all the time and jokingly threw out, you guys should just have a podcast. 155 00:07:34,860 --> 00:07:40,560 So we decided we were going to do a podcast because no one ever talks about vaginas. 156 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,860 Like we're raised not to talk about our vaginas. 157 00:07:43,860 --> 00:07:49,060 So we will have things go wrong with them that we don't even know are normal. 158 00:07:49,060 --> 00:07:50,460 We don't always know how to treat. 159 00:07:50,460 --> 00:07:56,960 We're brushed off a lot of times and so it started because Abby was having horrible issues 160 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:03,260 that took years to get to the bottom of and then it just kind of spiraled from there. 161 00:08:03,260 --> 00:08:04,060 Wow. 162 00:08:04,060 --> 00:08:05,460 We just started talking. 163 00:08:05,460 --> 00:08:06,960 I want to be a guest. 164 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:10,060 Yes, you totally have to come on and be a guest. 165 00:08:10,060 --> 00:08:11,060 I would love to. 166 00:08:11,060 --> 00:08:11,660 Absolutely. 167 00:08:11,660 --> 00:08:14,660 But we've had different topics. 168 00:08:14,660 --> 00:08:22,460 We had one of my friend's mothers came on to discuss sex over the age of 70 in a relationship 169 00:08:22,460 --> 00:08:24,460 after being widowed. 170 00:08:24,460 --> 00:08:31,760 So we discuss important topics and then every so often we'll do a funny topic like most 171 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:36,960 popular sex positions or we've done like a history. 172 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:41,460 Oh my goodness gracious because as librarians, of course you want to research but when you 173 00:08:41,460 --> 00:08:47,760 go back to all the products that we used to use like at one point women were poisoning 174 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,660 themselves because they were like using Lysol. 175 00:08:50,660 --> 00:08:51,360 Oh wow. 176 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:55,960 To rinse themselves out and it was being advertised as that. 177 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:56,560 Wow. 178 00:08:56,560 --> 00:08:57,760 To be used for that. 179 00:08:57,760 --> 00:08:58,060 Yeah. 180 00:08:58,060 --> 00:08:58,860 Oh my God. 181 00:08:58,860 --> 00:09:00,060 Just crazy. 182 00:09:00,060 --> 00:09:06,960 So we've done a history of things and we've also done the funny ads for feminine products. 183 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,060 Okay, I'm definitely going to go look this up. 184 00:09:09,060 --> 00:09:19,060 You can find this at blameitonthebadge.com and then the podcast is on Stitcher, Anchor, 185 00:09:19,060 --> 00:09:20,160 Apple. 186 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:20,660 Yeah. 187 00:09:20,660 --> 00:09:21,260 Awesome. 188 00:09:21,260 --> 00:09:22,460 Get in the way where you listen to your podcast. 189 00:09:22,460 --> 00:09:25,560 Dee Dee, what genre would you have if it wasn't true crime? 190 00:09:25,560 --> 00:09:27,160 I love a documentary. 191 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:33,360 So I would love to do a podcast around just documentaries that I love. 192 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:38,060 Like I love, I love love and after we're done, I'm going to go watch one. 193 00:09:38,060 --> 00:09:39,560 A sports documentary. 194 00:09:39,560 --> 00:09:41,960 Oh, it doesn't matter the sport. 195 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:42,660 Okay. 196 00:09:42,660 --> 00:09:46,760 I'm going to go watch one on Dale Earnhardt in the crash. 197 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,460 Oh, yes. 198 00:09:49,460 --> 00:09:52,060 If it's a 30 for 30, stop it. 199 00:09:52,060 --> 00:09:58,060 ESPN has got any sport, wrestling, hockey, racing. 200 00:09:58,060 --> 00:09:59,460 I don't care. 201 00:09:59,460 --> 00:10:00,760 I love it. 202 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:01,860 That's awesome. 203 00:10:01,860 --> 00:10:04,360 See, that's something I didn't know about Dee Dee. 204 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:04,860 Love a documentary. 205 00:10:04,860 --> 00:10:07,360 We've been best friends since we were like babies. 206 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:08,560 Love a documentary. 207 00:10:08,560 --> 00:10:11,860 I'm glad I could help you out with that Jenny. 208 00:10:11,860 --> 00:10:12,660 That's awesome. 209 00:10:12,660 --> 00:10:14,860 Yeah, I like my documentaries too. 210 00:10:14,860 --> 00:10:15,660 That's that's for sure. 211 00:10:15,660 --> 00:10:17,060 I actually watched a couple. 212 00:10:17,060 --> 00:10:23,060 I've taken a couple days to just kind of veg and just watch things that I don't normally watch. 213 00:10:23,060 --> 00:10:24,060 So yeah. 214 00:10:24,060 --> 00:10:24,660 Yeah. 215 00:10:24,660 --> 00:10:26,660 Do you guys have podcast stickers? 216 00:10:26,660 --> 00:10:28,760 We do like merchandise. 217 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:29,560 I have them. 218 00:10:29,560 --> 00:10:30,860 Jen has them. 219 00:10:30,860 --> 00:10:31,360 I don't. 220 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:32,260 I don't have one. 221 00:10:32,260 --> 00:10:39,160 Do you guys go stick them up in places where they'll be seen or do you just pass them out like business cards? 222 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:41,560 I thought about doing that. 223 00:10:41,560 --> 00:10:43,760 Just sticking them on like signs. 224 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:45,060 Like, you know, when you're at a stop. 225 00:10:45,060 --> 00:10:47,260 I should send you some. 226 00:10:47,260 --> 00:10:49,960 Yeah, you should send me some too. 227 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:53,160 And we see that's the thing. 228 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:59,460 I'm a stickler for that Dee Dee and I want to do the same thing, but I don't I think that's illegal. 229 00:10:59,460 --> 00:11:02,460 I'm sure it is defacing public property. 230 00:11:02,460 --> 00:11:06,860 Yeah, but if you're not caught you can't say it was us doing it. 231 00:11:06,860 --> 00:11:07,560 Yeah. 232 00:11:07,560 --> 00:11:09,960 Well, I mean we can say somebody else did it. 233 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:14,160 I could pull I could pull a Dave Chappelle and say I didn't know I couldn't do that. 234 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:15,160 There you go. 235 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:16,360 Okay, cool. 236 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:20,060 So Jenny make sure Dee Dee get some of those business card stickers. 237 00:11:20,060 --> 00:11:23,460 I'll send you a big old stack. 238 00:11:23,460 --> 00:11:23,860 All right. 239 00:11:23,860 --> 00:11:26,960 I like to throw in a couple just off the wall questions here. 240 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:30,460 It doesn't have anything to do with the podcast specifically. 241 00:11:30,460 --> 00:11:31,960 I like to learn personalities. 242 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:35,860 Which one of you would be most likely to be arrested for a crime? 243 00:11:35,860 --> 00:11:37,960 Me. 244 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:39,060 What would you be doing? 245 00:11:39,060 --> 00:11:40,260 Me. 246 00:11:40,260 --> 00:11:42,760 Sticking stickers up when you're not supposed to? 247 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:50,760 Probably or dealing with these these these teenagers and their parents. 248 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:52,160 Oh, yeah. 249 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:56,560 Just or any just any random like I don't I shouldn't say this. 250 00:11:56,560 --> 00:11:58,460 I really don't like people. 251 00:11:58,460 --> 00:12:04,360 So it would probably be something just so like somebody standing too close to me. 252 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:09,160 And then I start screaming and yelling because hey didn't we just come out of a pandemic? 253 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:11,060 Why are you so so close to me? 254 00:12:11,060 --> 00:12:12,260 Don't you have a mask? 255 00:12:12,260 --> 00:12:13,760 You've been coughing the whole time. 256 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:15,560 Now, I think I got what you got. 257 00:12:15,560 --> 00:12:23,160 No, now we're screaming and yelling in the target and now it's just a cuffs. 258 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,260 They call the police. 259 00:12:25,260 --> 00:12:25,860 I'm black. 260 00:12:25,860 --> 00:12:27,260 You know, I'm going to jail. 261 00:12:27,260 --> 00:12:30,460 They take me no matter what I'm going. 262 00:12:30,460 --> 00:12:31,460 What happened? 263 00:12:31,460 --> 00:12:32,360 Then I got a call. 264 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:36,560 I had to call my sister who is an attorney who be like D. 265 00:12:36,560 --> 00:12:38,260 Why a whole it'll be a whole thing. 266 00:12:38,260 --> 00:12:39,660 So it would be me. 267 00:12:39,660 --> 00:12:42,160 At least you will have swift representation. 268 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:46,360 Maybe she's still my she's still my sister after all. 269 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:49,960 I didn't know that you didn't I didn't think it was an emergency. 270 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:50,660 Answer the phone. 271 00:12:50,660 --> 00:12:52,360 I call you. 272 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,460 No, you got to call twig. 273 00:12:55,460 --> 00:12:57,360 She's a public defender. 274 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:58,560 Yeah, I need twigs. 275 00:12:58,560 --> 00:13:00,060 We went to high school with someone. 276 00:13:00,060 --> 00:13:01,560 I need twigs number then. 277 00:13:01,560 --> 00:13:03,260 Yeah, I'll have to send it to you. 278 00:13:03,260 --> 00:13:08,860 No, I think that I would be the one that's going to be talking sense into people so that 279 00:13:08,860 --> 00:13:10,060 we don't get arrested. 280 00:13:10,060 --> 00:13:12,560 That's probably me. 281 00:13:12,560 --> 00:13:13,860 Jenny, how about you? 282 00:13:13,860 --> 00:13:16,060 Yeah, I try not to do anything. 283 00:13:16,060 --> 00:13:18,260 I'm a librarian. 284 00:13:18,260 --> 00:13:24,460 I mean I would DD have brought up a great point one time. 285 00:13:24,460 --> 00:13:27,160 She's like listen, I don't want to go to jail. 286 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:32,860 I don't want to go to jail, but I will under the right circumstances. 287 00:13:32,860 --> 00:13:40,760 Absolutely about me about me and my I don't I don't want to it looks like a terrible place 288 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:42,160 sounds like a terrible place. 289 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:43,260 I don't want to go there. 290 00:13:43,260 --> 00:13:46,560 But if it's about my kid, I got to I got to cut you. 291 00:13:46,560 --> 00:13:48,560 I got to cut you. 292 00:13:48,560 --> 00:13:49,360 It's bad. 293 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:52,460 Oh man, you mess with my nieces or nephews. 294 00:13:52,460 --> 00:13:54,260 It's over sped sped. 295 00:13:54,260 --> 00:13:55,960 So I just try to stay home. 296 00:13:55,960 --> 00:14:00,460 Yeah, it's best to separate from humankind from time to time. 297 00:14:00,460 --> 00:14:01,260 Sometimes. 298 00:14:01,260 --> 00:14:01,860 Yeah. 299 00:14:01,860 --> 00:14:05,960 Yeah, I was laughing when you said yelling at someone in the Target. 300 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:07,760 When's the last time you even left the house? 301 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:11,660 I don't I don't I don't I door dash and instacart. 302 00:14:11,660 --> 00:14:13,660 I got to call you out on that. 303 00:14:13,660 --> 00:14:16,460 I really don't I said I was going to go out today didn't go. 304 00:14:16,460 --> 00:14:17,860 I have days just like that. 305 00:14:17,860 --> 00:14:22,860 And I mean, I don't know sometimes you just need to do nothing, you know, yeah. 306 00:14:22,860 --> 00:14:27,960 All right. So what's the best advice that you guys have for someone who wants to start a podcast? 307 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:30,060 Jenny, you're juggling to Dee Dee. 308 00:14:30,060 --> 00:14:32,460 You are be the listener. 309 00:14:32,460 --> 00:14:33,360 Oh, okay. 310 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:34,160 I love it. 311 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:37,960 Just be the one that gets to sit back and go really? 312 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:39,760 Wow. 313 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:45,160 You don't say, okay, Todd, next week. 314 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:47,260 That's what I would suggest. 315 00:14:47,260 --> 00:14:56,560 I would suggest finding a partner who loves research and just need somebody to be the good friend sidekick. 316 00:14:56,560 --> 00:15:01,860 And you really you have to think about who you're doing a podcast with because you have to have a rapport. 317 00:15:01,860 --> 00:15:03,260 Yes, absolutely. 318 00:15:03,260 --> 00:15:07,860 And usually it turns out to be either family members or close friends like you guys. 319 00:15:07,860 --> 00:15:09,460 You guys have known each other for so long. 320 00:15:09,460 --> 00:15:15,060 Do you guys ever have a disagreement about the storyline or no, that's good. 321 00:15:15,060 --> 00:15:15,960 Yeah, I don't either. 322 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:19,760 So yeah, when you have that good rapport, Jenny, it's really important. 323 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:26,660 And that's I think part of why some of these podcasts that I listen to stick around for so long because they do have that good rapport. 324 00:15:26,660 --> 00:15:26,860 Yeah. 325 00:15:26,860 --> 00:15:33,960 And I really appreciate her insight on cases too, because I'll present a case that I've been researching and then she'll think of an angle. 326 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:34,960 I hadn't even thought of. 327 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:37,560 Yeah, my sister does that a lot too. 328 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:37,960 Yeah. 329 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:46,560 So I know you guys are on hiatus right now and what can we look forward to when you do bring out the next season of Murder on My Street? 330 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:53,160 I felt really bad because we actually got an email from someone who said that they love our show, 331 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:57,260 but it's super frustrating because there's never like a conclusion. 332 00:15:57,260 --> 00:16:00,060 Oh, we have our unsolved cases. 333 00:16:00,060 --> 00:16:01,860 So there's never going to be one. 334 00:16:01,860 --> 00:16:02,460 True. 335 00:16:02,460 --> 00:16:10,360 And we prefer to go farther back as well and highlight cases that haven't gotten a lot of press. 336 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,460 So that's you can look forward to more of that. 337 00:16:13,460 --> 00:16:14,160 Okay. 338 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:15,460 The older cases. 339 00:16:15,460 --> 00:16:15,960 Yeah. 340 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:22,760 And I'm hoping we can get our Patreon up and going too when we come back to have some extra content as well. 341 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:23,460 Yes. 342 00:16:23,460 --> 00:16:27,160 Yeah, I think it's important to do those cases that aren't always in the news. 343 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:32,760 I mean, personally on Dying to be Found, the standard season with my family members, 344 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:39,960 we do talk a lot about not the high high profile cases where, you know, everybody's talking about, 345 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:42,560 oh gosh, Ted Bundy and all those people. 346 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:54,260 But I started my podcast just from major storylines that were in the news that I recollected from news sources at the time and it's spiraled from there. 347 00:16:54,260 --> 00:17:00,360 I know that I like the direction of trying to give people names, give people identities. 348 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:06,460 And yeah, those older cases, especially in today, you guys will hear one that the case has been solved. 349 00:17:06,460 --> 00:17:09,260 And I love when we can solve a case. 350 00:17:09,260 --> 00:17:09,960 Absolutely. 351 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:10,460 That's great. 352 00:17:10,460 --> 00:17:14,660 I think we've only highlighted one case that's been solved. 353 00:17:14,660 --> 00:17:15,760 Wow. 354 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:16,860 Yeah, everything. 355 00:17:16,860 --> 00:17:20,260 And they're all my obsession cases. 356 00:17:20,260 --> 00:17:26,460 So they date back to just stuff that I have run across where I'm like, how is that even possible? 357 00:17:26,460 --> 00:17:30,460 Like three people just gone. 358 00:17:30,460 --> 00:17:31,360 What? 359 00:17:31,360 --> 00:17:32,560 With nothing. 360 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:35,160 That just trips me out. 361 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:36,960 So where can we find you online? 362 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:40,560 You can find us wherever you listen to your podcast. 363 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:41,960 We are on Apple. 364 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:43,160 We are on Stitcher. 365 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:44,360 Outcast. 366 00:17:44,360 --> 00:17:47,860 That's my podcatcher that I like to listen to my podcast on. 367 00:17:47,860 --> 00:17:48,460 Okay. 368 00:17:48,460 --> 00:17:48,760 Yeah. 369 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:49,760 Murder on my street. 370 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:50,460 Go find us. 371 00:17:50,460 --> 00:17:51,060 All right. 372 00:17:51,060 --> 00:17:58,460 Well, thanks for letting us learn a little bit more about you, Jenny and Didi and Murder on my Street listeners. 373 00:17:58,460 --> 00:18:02,060 Be sure to download Jenny and Didi's podcast wherever you stream. 374 00:18:02,060 --> 00:18:05,160 I think once it gets out there into the airwaves, it's pretty much everywhere. 375 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:05,660 Yeah. 376 00:18:05,660 --> 00:18:05,960 Yeah. 377 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:06,560 Okay. 378 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:12,960 With that being said, are you guys ready to switch gears and go into my little storyline? 379 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:14,160 Sure. 380 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:15,360 Funny story here. 381 00:18:15,360 --> 00:18:20,760 I have been so busy this week that I did not get my story written out until yesterday. 382 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:22,860 This morning, I didn't like it so much. 383 00:18:22,860 --> 00:18:25,560 So I switched gears again. 384 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:30,960 So you guys are going to get a better story than what I originally I was like, should I give you guys a choice? 385 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:32,560 Nah, I don't think so. 386 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:34,060 And I'll tell you why in just a minute. 387 00:18:34,060 --> 00:18:35,560 But I do have a question for you. 388 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:39,760 Have you guys ever used a metal detector or seen anybody using one? 389 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:40,260 Sure. 390 00:18:40,260 --> 00:18:41,560 I've seen people use them. 391 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:43,960 Did they ever find anything while you're watching them? 392 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:53,360 Oh my God, my uncle used to take it to La Jolla Shores, Didi, when we were hanging out down there and he would find jewelry all the time. 393 00:18:53,360 --> 00:18:58,960 I think that's what they're looking for because, you know, if we're at the beach and then we take the jewelry off to get into the ocean. 394 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:02,560 Well, I don't get into the ocean, but you know what I mean. 395 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:05,960 So I don't get it either. 396 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:06,360 Yeah. 397 00:19:06,360 --> 00:19:10,060 So I'm thinking they're probably looking for jewelry, anything valuable like that. 398 00:19:10,060 --> 00:19:11,860 And I mean, my dad, he had one. 399 00:19:11,860 --> 00:19:13,760 I think he got it at a garage sale. 400 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:14,960 But he would take it out. 401 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:16,160 We used to go. 402 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:21,160 I grew up in Canada and we used to go to Lake Huron, which was my beach. 403 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:25,460 And he would be taking his little metal detector and looking for things. 404 00:19:25,460 --> 00:19:30,160 But mainly we went out looking for arrowheads, which doesn't take a metal detector. 405 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:31,960 But yeah, he would use that a lot. 406 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:36,560 I don't think he really found anything of true value, but it's really kind of a neat concept. 407 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:41,360 So I want you guys to hold on to that thought because this is going to come into play in just a bit. 408 00:19:41,360 --> 00:19:42,160 Okay. 409 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:42,660 Okay. 410 00:19:42,660 --> 00:19:51,960 And we're going to be talking today about a woman named Dawn Elaine Sanchez on August 30th, 1991. 411 00:19:51,960 --> 00:20:01,060 Dawn Sanchez was living at the Four Seasons Motor Lodge on the 4300 block of El Camino Real in Los Altos, California. 412 00:20:01,060 --> 00:20:02,460 Do you guys know where that is? 413 00:20:02,460 --> 00:20:06,160 I mean, I don't know where you're located, but Los Altos, California. 414 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:06,760 Where is that? 415 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:10,260 That sounds really close to it's not in LA, Jen. 416 00:20:10,260 --> 00:20:12,660 Does that sound LA-ish? 417 00:20:12,660 --> 00:20:13,160 Let's see. 418 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:13,760 Los Altos. 419 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:14,560 Now I got to look. 420 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:16,460 Yeah, it's about an hour and a half from where I am. 421 00:20:16,460 --> 00:20:17,060 Okay. 422 00:20:17,060 --> 00:20:17,460 Yeah. 423 00:20:17,460 --> 00:20:17,960 What? 424 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:18,660 Los Altos. 425 00:20:18,660 --> 00:20:20,160 It's above San Jose. 426 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,460 Wait, the city of Los Altos? 427 00:20:22,460 --> 00:20:23,060 Yeah. 428 00:20:23,060 --> 00:20:23,360 Yep. 429 00:20:23,360 --> 00:20:25,460 The city in Santa Clara County. 430 00:20:25,460 --> 00:20:28,360 Why does it say, oh, I didn't see the plane. 431 00:20:28,360 --> 00:20:30,260 It's an hour and a half flight from here. 432 00:20:30,260 --> 00:20:30,960 Sorry. 433 00:20:34,360 --> 00:20:35,260 Oh, wow. 434 00:20:35,260 --> 00:20:36,060 Yeah. 435 00:20:36,060 --> 00:20:39,460 That sure was an airplane. 436 00:20:39,460 --> 00:20:41,860 Yep. 437 00:20:41,860 --> 00:20:42,960 That makes sense. 438 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:43,960 I know. 439 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:48,160 Sometimes when I'm using my GPS, I'm like, oh my God, why is it taking so long? 440 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:50,160 And then I see I'm on the walk icon. 441 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:54,160 No, I am not walking to North Carolina where my daughter lives. 442 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:54,660 Yeah. 443 00:20:54,660 --> 00:20:55,960 My goodness. 444 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,360 And I've only had water to drink. 445 00:20:58,360 --> 00:20:59,860 I've only had water to drink. 446 00:20:59,860 --> 00:21:00,660 I swear. 447 00:21:00,660 --> 00:21:06,660 Well, on August 30th on that particular day, Don had driven off in a tan and brown 448 00:21:06,660 --> 00:21:13,060 1979 Pontiac Grand Prix along with her boyfriend, Bernardo Bass, and another 449 00:21:13,060 --> 00:21:13,960 acquaintance. 450 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,160 She was never seen or heard from again. 451 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,160 Don was reported missing. 452 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,560 It took two months for anybody to report her missing. 453 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:22,960 How tragic. 454 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:23,960 I know. 455 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:25,460 I mean, I'm like, wait, why? 456 00:21:25,460 --> 00:21:29,660 I mean, I couldn't really find a ton of information on her background. 457 00:21:29,660 --> 00:21:34,760 In the world of crime, I would say that police were at that point because it was 458 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,560 two months before she was even reported missing. 459 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:42,160 They were probably looking for a needle in the haystack as far as leads and 460 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:43,060 evidence. 461 00:21:43,060 --> 00:21:47,660 Well, police did do their best when they were doing their investigation. 462 00:21:47,660 --> 00:21:52,760 They dredged nearby waterways, followed up on leads, and were able to track down 463 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:57,360 that acquaintance who was in the car with Don and Bernardo on the day that Don 464 00:21:57,360 --> 00:21:58,060 disappeared. 465 00:21:58,060 --> 00:21:58,560 Wow. 466 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:02,560 So Bernardo wasn't a person of interest, does it say? 467 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:03,560 Yes. 468 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:04,660 From the beginning? 469 00:22:04,660 --> 00:22:07,860 I didn't really see anything to do with that. 470 00:22:07,860 --> 00:22:14,560 And I have a feeling because it took so long for Don to be reported missing that 471 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,860 they probably didn't have a lot to go on. 472 00:22:17,860 --> 00:22:22,060 They probably didn't even know if she had a boyfriend who he was. 473 00:22:22,060 --> 00:22:26,660 And if nobody was coming forward, I would say that, you know, he was just a 474 00:22:26,660 --> 00:22:27,760 ghost at that point. 475 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:28,060 Right. 476 00:22:28,060 --> 00:22:32,660 According to that eyewitness, the couple had gotten into an argument on the day 477 00:22:32,660 --> 00:22:34,260 that Don disappeared. 478 00:22:34,260 --> 00:22:39,260 The argument turned ugly and Don ended up getting shot while in a vacant lot 479 00:22:39,260 --> 00:22:45,460 near the Twin Creeks softball park in Sunnyvale, California. 480 00:22:45,460 --> 00:22:47,160 Oh my God. 481 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:52,360 Based on the recorded interview from that acquaintance, a search warrant at 482 00:22:52,360 --> 00:22:57,560 that time was issued and cadaver dogs discovered Don's scent inside one of 483 00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,560 Bernardo's closets in his home. 484 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:03,860 That didn't go very far, but I'm thinking possibly the reason it wouldn't. 485 00:23:03,860 --> 00:23:09,360 Well, I mean, they were cadaver dogs, but if she was at his home, I mean, 486 00:23:09,360 --> 00:23:10,960 wouldn't her scent be there? 487 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,960 I suppose the scent would be different. 488 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:15,760 I mean cadaver dogs. 489 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:20,960 I mean, I wouldn't, maybe he moved her body after a while or something. 490 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:21,560 I don't know. 491 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:21,760 Yeah. 492 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:26,660 He probably stored her there just until he could figure out what to do with her. 493 00:23:26,660 --> 00:23:27,560 What to do. 494 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:28,160 Yeah. 495 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:28,660 Right. 496 00:23:28,660 --> 00:23:33,660 Well, that wasn't enough because although police conducted a thorough 497 00:23:33,660 --> 00:23:38,560 investigation, there was never enough evidence to tie Bernardo to Don's 498 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,360 disappearance and there were a number of reasons. 499 00:23:41,360 --> 00:23:43,260 They didn't have Don's body. 500 00:23:43,260 --> 00:23:45,460 The murder weapon was never recovered. 501 00:23:45,460 --> 00:23:50,060 That recorded interview with the person who was in the car with Don and 502 00:23:50,060 --> 00:23:51,760 Bernardo, police lost the tape. 503 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:52,360 Of course. 504 00:23:52,360 --> 00:23:57,860 And the witness later refused to testify against Bernardo Bass by invoking 505 00:23:57,860 --> 00:24:01,260 his fifth amendment right against self-incrimination. 506 00:24:01,260 --> 00:24:04,060 How disappointing. 507 00:24:04,060 --> 00:24:07,160 I read somewhere that they did have a transcript. 508 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:11,960 I mean, you guys, how do you lose a tape that should be in the evidence file? 509 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:12,760 I don't get that. 510 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,260 It seems like it happens a lot in cases. 511 00:24:15,260 --> 00:24:16,760 The evidence. 512 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:22,760 Well, I mean, yeah, entire boxes of cases, evidence is missing. 513 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:23,260 Oh, yeah. 514 00:24:23,260 --> 00:24:24,760 We've covered a few like that. 515 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,760 How many, how many rape kits are nowhere to be found? 516 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:29,260 Right. 517 00:24:29,260 --> 00:24:29,760 Wow. 518 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:30,660 Or how about this? 519 00:24:30,660 --> 00:24:31,060 Oops. 520 00:24:31,060 --> 00:24:32,860 I forgot to click the record button. 521 00:24:32,860 --> 00:24:33,260 Yeah. 522 00:24:33,260 --> 00:24:38,060 Well, Bernardo's sister was later interviewed during that investigation 523 00:24:38,060 --> 00:24:42,560 and she told authorities that Bernardo had ordered her to sell off that 524 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:46,360 Pontiac Grand Prix and of course later she recanted that story. 525 00:24:46,360 --> 00:24:50,060 Apparently, old Bernardo likes to intimidate people. 526 00:24:50,060 --> 00:24:54,760 So he scared his sister into telling lies. 527 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:59,260 I don't know much about his character other than just these little articles 528 00:24:59,260 --> 00:25:02,560 that I didn't really find a ton of articles on this thing, but that type of 529 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,760 person is going to do everything they can to intimidate people for sure. 530 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:12,060 I guess the other question I had to you guys is if Bernardo's sister went off 531 00:25:12,060 --> 00:25:18,360 and sold the car, is there no way that you could easily link the VIN number? 532 00:25:18,360 --> 00:25:21,660 Because that's traceable through the Department of Motor Vehicles. 533 00:25:21,660 --> 00:25:21,960 Right. 534 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:23,560 If you sold it properly. 535 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:24,260 Yeah, I guess. 536 00:25:24,260 --> 00:25:25,360 I mean, but wouldn't... 537 00:25:25,360 --> 00:25:25,960 That's true. 538 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:27,160 She might not have. 539 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,360 I mean, who knows who she, who she got. 540 00:25:29,360 --> 00:25:33,160 It could have gone to, you know, someplace in Mexico. 541 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,260 It could have gone to a chop shop, some parts. 542 00:25:35,260 --> 00:25:37,860 It could be in any number of pieces. 543 00:25:37,860 --> 00:25:41,860 Or she could have just sold it to Joe Schmoe on the street, like as quick 544 00:25:41,860 --> 00:25:43,460 as she could to get rid of it. 545 00:25:43,460 --> 00:25:43,960 Yeah. 546 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,960 Ultimately, this case did go cold and charges were dropped against 547 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,260 Bernardo Bass due to lack of evidence. 548 00:25:50,260 --> 00:25:52,960 And really that's about as far as that could go. 549 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:59,460 However, 18 years later in 2009, a witness came forward to report that 550 00:25:59,460 --> 00:26:05,360 Bernardo may DD, just like you said, they may have disassembled that 551 00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:13,060 Pontiac Grand Prix and buried it in a very large abandoned lot in El Viso, California. 552 00:26:13,060 --> 00:26:16,260 I wouldn't say that it was a junkyard, but there was a lot of 553 00:26:16,260 --> 00:26:18,060 metallic debris there. 554 00:26:18,060 --> 00:26:19,260 It was all scattered around. 555 00:26:19,260 --> 00:26:20,660 I have no idea why. 556 00:26:20,660 --> 00:26:24,360 I didn't see any pictures as far as the abandoned lot, but apparently 557 00:26:24,360 --> 00:26:27,860 people went and dumped stuff there and a lot of car parts and things like that. 558 00:26:27,860 --> 00:26:30,960 So that's kind of where the metal detector comes in. 559 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:35,160 Police did follow up on this witness's account and returned to that 560 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:39,260 abandoned lot where Don possibly could have been killed. 561 00:26:39,260 --> 00:26:43,160 They didn't have all the resources that they needed to excavate a 562 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:48,360 massive empty lot, especially because that area had a lot of cars 563 00:26:48,360 --> 00:26:49,860 that may have been disassembled. 564 00:26:49,860 --> 00:26:50,260 Sure. 565 00:26:50,260 --> 00:26:54,360 And then also they didn't really have an exact location. 566 00:26:54,360 --> 00:26:57,460 So it was just a big field, a big open space. 567 00:26:57,460 --> 00:27:01,260 I mean, that would be a lot of manpower and equipment to dig that up. 568 00:27:01,260 --> 00:27:01,660 Yeah. 569 00:27:01,660 --> 00:27:05,760 And then there was a lot of metallic debris in the area because it had 570 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:09,360 become that dumping ground and they needed something better than just 571 00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:13,360 a plain old metal detector that would probably pick up on everything. 572 00:27:13,360 --> 00:27:14,060 You know what I mean? 573 00:27:14,060 --> 00:27:14,560 Right. 574 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:14,960 All right. 575 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,160 So this is the cool part. 576 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:21,660 This is where the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, also 577 00:27:21,660 --> 00:27:26,060 known as NASA, they came in and they helped with the investigation. 578 00:27:26,060 --> 00:27:26,960 Wow. 579 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:27,560 Yeah. 580 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,560 Oh, I can't wait to take a look. 581 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:33,860 Well, NASA engineers just happened to have a roving ground vehicle 582 00:27:33,860 --> 00:27:37,660 available that was equipped to conduct magnetic surveys. 583 00:27:37,660 --> 00:27:43,860 The name of this vehicle was Sonnetta MAX 5.0A or 5.0A. 584 00:27:43,860 --> 00:27:47,860 And it's designed to do what we know as a ground survey. 585 00:27:47,860 --> 00:27:52,760 And basically it conducts geological surveys and uses data to mark 586 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:54,560 ground magnetic fields. 587 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:58,060 Obviously, this is much more sophisticated equipment than a 588 00:27:58,060 --> 00:28:03,460 simple metal detector that would go off when any metal was detected in the area. 589 00:28:03,460 --> 00:28:07,260 So I kind of want you guys to think as far as computers, the one show 590 00:28:07,260 --> 00:28:09,260 that comes to mind is CSI Miami. 591 00:28:09,260 --> 00:28:12,360 You know how they have that big screen in front of you and you can just 592 00:28:12,360 --> 00:28:14,560 see all the digital stuff going on? 593 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:15,460 Yeah. 594 00:28:15,460 --> 00:28:19,860 According to Carnegie Mellon University, the Sonnetta MAX was set up 595 00:28:19,860 --> 00:28:24,560 with an onboard computer system that was capable of generating magnetic 596 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:29,460 maps, which gave investigators and scientists real-time visual 597 00:28:29,460 --> 00:28:35,460 surveillance to zone in on any questionable areas and perform high-resolution surveys. 598 00:28:35,460 --> 00:28:39,060 So I'm envisioning like on CSI when you see that big computer system and 599 00:28:39,060 --> 00:28:41,860 you can just kind of see almost like an x-ray, you know? 600 00:28:41,860 --> 00:28:42,260 Right. 601 00:28:42,260 --> 00:28:42,760 Yes. 602 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:47,560 NASA worked with authorities to sweep the abandoned lot where Don Sanchez 603 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,660 was supposedly killed and guess what? 604 00:28:50,660 --> 00:28:55,260 They were able to recover old car parts during that excavation. 605 00:28:55,260 --> 00:28:56,460 Wow. 606 00:28:56,460 --> 00:28:57,360 Wow. 607 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:03,860 They found car parts that were indeed connected to the 1979 Tan and 608 00:29:03,860 --> 00:29:08,660 Brown Pontiac Grand Prix, the same vehicle that Don Sanchez was in. 609 00:29:08,660 --> 00:29:10,660 Boy Deeds, you called that. 610 00:29:10,660 --> 00:29:11,560 You did. 611 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:12,560 Wow. 612 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,960 See, that's why she would be most likely to be arrested. 613 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,460 She thinks like a criminal. 614 00:29:18,460 --> 00:29:25,460 I'm like, cut the car up, cut the parts up, scatter them around the beach, go. 615 00:29:25,460 --> 00:29:30,460 Police believe what happened is that Bernardo shot Don, removed her from the 616 00:29:30,460 --> 00:29:35,860 vehicle and stored her in that closet at home until he could get rid of her body. 617 00:29:35,860 --> 00:29:37,860 I am a criminal. 618 00:29:37,860 --> 00:29:39,560 Didn't I say that? 619 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:40,060 Yeah. 620 00:29:40,060 --> 00:29:41,660 Had you heard this story before? 621 00:29:41,660 --> 00:29:43,660 Never, never. 622 00:29:43,660 --> 00:29:49,060 Well, not this particular story, but how many stories have we heard like this? 623 00:29:49,060 --> 00:29:57,260 Where this is the exact thing that the boyfriend or husband or person they 624 00:29:57,260 --> 00:29:59,260 were having an affair with did to them. 625 00:29:59,260 --> 00:29:59,860 Oh no. 626 00:29:59,860 --> 00:30:01,860 That's a great picture of her though. 627 00:30:01,860 --> 00:30:02,460 Oh no. 628 00:30:02,460 --> 00:30:02,960 I know. 629 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:03,860 Am I still frozen? 630 00:30:03,860 --> 00:30:05,260 She always took a nice picture. 631 00:30:05,260 --> 00:30:08,060 Okay, before she gets back, tell me a quick story about her. 632 00:30:08,060 --> 00:30:10,460 Because that's what I do here on the dash. 633 00:30:10,460 --> 00:30:11,460 Let's see. 634 00:30:11,460 --> 00:30:14,260 Still frozen? 635 00:30:14,260 --> 00:30:15,460 She eats her cookie. 636 00:30:15,460 --> 00:30:16,860 I don't know if she still eats her cookies. 637 00:30:16,860 --> 00:30:19,060 Really weird where she doesn't eat the middle part. 638 00:30:19,060 --> 00:30:22,460 She eats all the way around where his fingers touch and she throws that part away. 639 00:30:22,460 --> 00:30:23,460 Like Oreos? 640 00:30:23,460 --> 00:30:27,860 Yeah, or just any cookie, anything, a sandwich, anything. 641 00:30:27,860 --> 00:30:30,060 You eat around and then you throw that part away. 642 00:30:30,060 --> 00:30:31,060 I don't know if she still does that. 643 00:30:31,060 --> 00:30:32,660 She did that when we were in high school. 644 00:30:32,660 --> 00:30:33,260 She did that. 645 00:30:33,260 --> 00:30:33,860 Oh well. 646 00:30:33,860 --> 00:30:34,660 Oh goodness. 647 00:30:34,660 --> 00:30:36,060 I don't know what happened to Jennifer. 648 00:30:36,060 --> 00:30:37,460 I should probably text her. 649 00:30:37,460 --> 00:30:39,660 Yes, here on the dash Dee Dee. 650 00:30:39,660 --> 00:30:45,660 Whenever we have technical difficulties and somebody drops, we tend to tell stories or I do anyway. 651 00:30:45,660 --> 00:30:46,660 Jenny, you're back. 652 00:30:46,660 --> 00:30:47,660 Can you hear us? 653 00:30:47,660 --> 00:30:48,260 Yes. 654 00:30:48,260 --> 00:30:49,260 Can you hear me? 655 00:30:49,260 --> 00:30:49,860 I can. 656 00:30:49,860 --> 00:30:50,460 Yep. 657 00:30:50,460 --> 00:30:51,260 Yes. 658 00:30:53,260 --> 00:30:56,860 I'm not sure what you were trying to say before you dropped. 659 00:30:56,860 --> 00:31:03,460 Okay, so what I was saying before I dropped is we have not heard this case before, but 660 00:31:03,460 --> 00:31:12,160 we have heard so many cases like this before where the boyfriend, the husband, the person 661 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:17,460 that someone was having an, that a woman was having an affair with had done this exact 662 00:31:17,460 --> 00:31:18,460 thing. 663 00:31:18,460 --> 00:31:22,860 Yes, so really it's always that person closest and we know that, the police usually, but 664 00:31:22,860 --> 00:31:28,060 again, at the time they probably didn't even know who he was and how he was associated 665 00:31:28,060 --> 00:31:31,060 with her and nobody was coming forward. 666 00:31:31,060 --> 00:31:36,860 We criticize the police a lot in the cases we cover, but it's much different when they're 667 00:31:36,860 --> 00:31:42,460 having to start two months after someone was last seen and we don't even know who reported 668 00:31:42,460 --> 00:31:43,860 her missing, right? 669 00:31:43,860 --> 00:31:45,860 No, we do not. 670 00:31:45,860 --> 00:31:47,160 Does she have family? 671 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,260 Obviously they didn't miss her. 672 00:31:49,260 --> 00:31:49,860 I don't know. 673 00:31:49,860 --> 00:31:52,260 I don't know who figured it out. 674 00:31:52,260 --> 00:31:56,260 The only thing that we can fault them for is losing that tape. 675 00:31:56,260 --> 00:31:58,260 Losing evidence, yeah. 676 00:31:58,260 --> 00:32:00,860 But they have the transcript though. 677 00:32:00,860 --> 00:32:06,060 Right, and it's not, that guy wasn't going to testify anyways because he would have ended 678 00:32:06,060 --> 00:32:07,060 up in a chair. 679 00:32:07,060 --> 00:32:08,060 No, because he was intimidated. 680 00:32:08,060 --> 00:32:09,060 I get that. 681 00:32:09,060 --> 00:32:15,160 On August 29th, 2009, Bernardo Bass was rearrested for the murder of Don Sanchez. 682 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:16,860 He pleaded not guilty. 683 00:32:16,860 --> 00:32:22,960 However, if he went to trial by jury, he would be facing 25 years to life in prison and he 684 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:24,060 didn't want to change that. 685 00:32:24,060 --> 00:32:25,860 I found this kind of interesting. 686 00:32:25,860 --> 00:32:29,460 He eventually changed his plea to no contest. 687 00:32:29,460 --> 00:32:32,660 How do you plea no contest to a crime like that? 688 00:32:32,660 --> 00:32:34,460 I didn't even know that was allowed. 689 00:32:34,460 --> 00:32:36,260 Yeah, no contest. 690 00:32:36,260 --> 00:32:42,860 I mean, to say, well, I mean, that's like saying, I'm not saying I did it or didn't do it. 691 00:32:42,860 --> 00:32:43,860 Right, exactly. 692 00:32:43,860 --> 00:32:49,060 I mean, to me, you would have to have cut and dry either you did or you didn't, but 693 00:32:49,060 --> 00:32:51,860 I don't know how the law works and this was back in 2009. 694 00:32:51,860 --> 00:32:54,460 Yeah, I have no idea. 695 00:32:54,460 --> 00:33:00,240 Well, he went on to serve six years with time served for voluntary manslaughter. 696 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:05,860 He would have been only required to serve another two years and four months after he 697 00:33:05,860 --> 00:33:06,860 was convicted. 698 00:33:06,860 --> 00:33:11,540 So he had time served and he only spent another two, close to two and a half years in jail 699 00:33:11,540 --> 00:33:12,540 or prison. 700 00:33:12,540 --> 00:33:16,260 They never found Don Sanchez's body to this day. 701 00:33:16,260 --> 00:33:19,780 So my question is, you guys don't have legal background. 702 00:33:19,780 --> 00:33:21,300 I'm going to assume that, right? 703 00:33:21,300 --> 00:33:24,340 Because I don't either. 704 00:33:24,340 --> 00:33:29,820 So as a layman here, are prosecutors able to go back and charge him with something else? 705 00:33:29,820 --> 00:33:30,820 He did. 706 00:33:30,820 --> 00:33:33,000 Well, he pled no contest. 707 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:40,400 He was convicted of voluntary manslaughter, but if they find her body one day, which sometimes 708 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:46,180 that happens, could they go back and charge him with anything else or is that double jeopardy? 709 00:33:46,180 --> 00:33:47,900 I would think that's double jeopardy. 710 00:33:47,900 --> 00:33:52,340 Yeah, I think he's already served his time for that crime. 711 00:33:52,340 --> 00:33:54,460 He pled no contest to that. 712 00:33:54,460 --> 00:33:57,580 So I think if they find her, they just find her. 713 00:33:57,580 --> 00:34:00,300 They just give her some peace. 714 00:34:00,300 --> 00:34:01,300 Yeah. 715 00:34:01,300 --> 00:34:03,620 And how tragic, how tragic. 716 00:34:03,620 --> 00:34:10,100 I suppose I'm glad that she got a little bit of justice, if you want to call it that. 717 00:34:10,100 --> 00:34:15,380 Because more than I would say all of the cases we've covered have gotten. 718 00:34:15,380 --> 00:34:21,140 At least there was some, yeah, at least there was some sort of punishment for how people 719 00:34:21,140 --> 00:34:24,340 feel about whether you feel it was enough, reserved his time or whatever. 720 00:34:24,340 --> 00:34:26,260 No, at least there was something. 721 00:34:26,260 --> 00:34:27,260 Absolutely. 722 00:34:27,260 --> 00:34:33,220 I think as a family member, you just want some sort of justice. 723 00:34:33,220 --> 00:34:38,860 I don't think that any amount of time probably ever feels like enough. 724 00:34:38,860 --> 00:34:39,860 No. 725 00:34:39,860 --> 00:34:41,460 You know, you won't ever get her back. 726 00:34:41,460 --> 00:34:42,460 Right. 727 00:34:42,460 --> 00:34:43,460 So that's the only thing. 728 00:34:43,460 --> 00:34:44,460 Right. 729 00:34:44,460 --> 00:34:45,460 There's nothing that can bring her back. 730 00:34:45,460 --> 00:34:47,740 So I don't know if we're going to really ever get true justice. 731 00:34:47,740 --> 00:34:48,740 That is true. 732 00:34:48,740 --> 00:34:54,900 Well, you guys, that's the story of Dawn Sanchez and how NASA helped to solve her case. 733 00:34:54,900 --> 00:35:00,220 I thought that was so cool that they agreed to bring in that equipment. 734 00:35:00,220 --> 00:35:01,220 I mean, that's amazing. 735 00:35:01,220 --> 00:35:03,100 That's really cool. 736 00:35:03,100 --> 00:35:08,660 If anybody has any information on Dawn's remains or where she might be located, please contact 737 00:35:08,660 --> 00:35:15,140 the Los Altos Police Department at 650-947-2770. 738 00:35:15,140 --> 00:35:16,140 And there you go. 739 00:35:16,140 --> 00:35:17,140 Any last thoughts? 740 00:35:17,140 --> 00:35:24,860 Los Altos is a lot further away than I thought it was. 741 00:35:24,860 --> 00:35:25,860 Well all right. 742 00:35:25,860 --> 00:35:32,780 Be sure to follow Jenny and Dee Dee on Instagram at Murder On My Street, on Twitter at Murder 743 00:35:32,780 --> 00:35:34,660 On My ST. 744 00:35:34,660 --> 00:35:36,660 That's right. 745 00:35:36,660 --> 00:35:38,340 Yes. 746 00:35:38,340 --> 00:35:41,740 And I know you all, I stalk people before these interviews. 747 00:35:41,740 --> 00:35:46,700 I come up with a few little things that I can put in this script for you. 748 00:35:46,700 --> 00:35:52,100 I will add these links to their socials in the show notes and be sure to check them out. 749 00:35:52,100 --> 00:35:56,740 Also be sure to check me out at Dying to be Found podcast where I get together with my 750 00:35:56,740 --> 00:36:01,100 family members and right here on Dying to be Found, the dash. 751 00:36:01,100 --> 00:36:03,120 Until next time, talk to you soon. 752 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:04,620 Thanks for having us, Deb. 753 00:36:04,620 --> 00:36:06,020 Thank you. 754 00:36:06,020 --> 00:36:07,140 Absolutely. 755 00:36:07,140 --> 00:36:09,620 I'm so thrilled that you guys agreed to this. 756 00:36:09,620 --> 00:36:11,940 That was fun. 757 00:36:11,940 --> 00:36:14,220 Thanks for listening to Dying to be Found. 758 00:36:14,220 --> 00:36:19,260 Before we go, we would love for you to leave a review on your favorite podcast platform. 759 00:36:19,260 --> 00:36:24,940 Be sure to follow us on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, and Pinterest at Dying to be Found. 760 00:36:24,940 --> 00:36:30,820 You can access our website, email, social media, and storyline request form by clicking 761 00:36:30,820 --> 00:36:33,580 on our Linktree account found in our show notes. 762 00:36:33,580 --> 00:36:39,100 If you like our episodes, consider buying us a coffee at BuyMeACoffee.com slash Dying 763 00:36:39,100 --> 00:36:42,340 to be Found spelled just like you see it on our logo. 764 00:36:42,340 --> 00:36:45,980 Feel free to message us on Instagram and let us know how we're doing. 765 00:36:45,980 --> 00:36:50,980 With that, be sure to check us out every Thursday wherever you get your podcasts. 766 00:36:50,980 --> 00:37:07,540 We will talk to you all next week.