1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:12,920 I'm Helen and I'm Liz and we're sisters, scientists and lifelong ex-files fans. 2 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:14,960 And this is We Want to Believe. 3 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:16,840 Alright, how's it going? 4 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:17,840 Good! 5 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:19,840 I have a lot to share. 6 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:20,840 A lot to say. 7 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:22,840 Oh, I'm very excited. 8 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:23,840 Awesome. 9 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:28,200 Before we begin, I wanted to run something by you that occurred to me the other night 10 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:31,200 that I thought, this is a good topic for our podcast. 11 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:33,640 I don't know if that's true or not. 12 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:38,520 Alright, it's late at night, I'm laying in bed and I have another story that is going 13 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:40,800 to go in that same direction later. 14 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:42,520 But I started thinking about... 15 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:46,840 Is it about nightmarers again with Dwight Schrute having a scolex? 16 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:47,840 No. 17 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:48,840 Oh, okay. 18 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:50,560 No, thank God he hasn't showed up again. 19 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:53,560 I have avoided counting. 20 00:00:53,560 --> 00:01:01,320 And then I did it one night but I skipped the 40s and 50s in case he was in there, which 21 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:04,080 sounds strange. 22 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:07,080 But I didn't want to run into him. 23 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:08,080 Yeah. 24 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:09,080 Yeah. 25 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:10,080 Okay. 26 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:11,080 So what actually happened? 27 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:12,080 So I just had this thought. 28 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:18,240 You know how humans are mostly liquid or like there's a lot of liquid in us? 29 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:24,120 Do you think that effectively I am a sentient liquid? 30 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:25,120 No. 31 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:26,120 Oh. 32 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:27,120 No? 33 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:35,800 I mean, like am I kind of a liquid that's alive? 34 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:38,440 Like are we living liquids in bags? 35 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:42,320 But we're not entirely liquid though. 36 00:01:42,320 --> 00:01:47,240 I mean a solid 30% of us is not liquid. 37 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:52,680 A solid 30%. 38 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,240 So I don't think that qualifies. 39 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:59,000 Like if a jellyfish is not a liquid, I feel like we sure aren't. 40 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:00,000 Okay. 41 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:01,160 But hold on though. 42 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:03,920 Jellyfish, are they mostly just in liquid? 43 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:05,920 Oh, I don't know. 44 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:07,960 Oh, I'm sure they do. 45 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:11,360 I mean all living things do. 46 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,400 But I don't know. 47 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:16,400 I don't know if it's more or less than we do. 48 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:23,280 They just seem much more amorphous and letting in the shape of the container. 49 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:24,280 Yeah. 50 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:25,280 Yeah. 51 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:30,760 I mean I just felt like I'm closer to a sentient liquid than I ever realized before. 52 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:35,440 And so I just like I got up to pee and I was just like I'm a liquid and I'm thinking things 53 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:40,040 and it was sort of blowing my mind and I was like I'll save it for the podcast. 54 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:47,280 This reminds me on when my anatomy students, when I had them doing the digestive system 55 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:53,360 a few weeks ago, I had them do this activity that I found from the I just want to give 56 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:54,520 credit where credit is due. 57 00:02:54,520 --> 00:03:01,280 The human anatomy and physiology society, haps and they're like mostly for professionals 58 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:02,760 who are teaching. 59 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:11,720 And they had some activity where you consider if you swallow gum is the gum is the gum still 60 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:17,720 outside of your body because we're essentially one long tube that goes from our mouth to 61 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:18,720 our rectum. 62 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:25,680 So like are we could you make a case for it being yeah, you're making a real uncomfortable 63 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:26,680 face. 64 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:27,680 They got so mad. 65 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:28,680 They were all so mad. 66 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:29,680 They got so mad. 67 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:38,960 They were like, yeah, it was like how dare you make us think of these things or like 68 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,240 how do you imply the gum is outside of us. 69 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:44,200 Yes, yeah, the latter. 70 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:50,760 They were like, we talked about at the start of the semester we talked about embryology 71 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:55,120 and we're talking about like stem cells and uses for stem cells and stuff like that. 72 00:03:55,120 --> 00:04:00,880 And so there was like a bit of like what do you do with old IVF embryo discussion. 73 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:02,880 And that was like way less controversial. 74 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:07,880 That was like this was like way, way more strained. 75 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,880 So here's how I was thinking of it. 76 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:12,360 You know tube slides. 77 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:14,760 Yes, like the park or whatever. 78 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:15,920 All right. 79 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:19,560 If you go inside a tube slide, you're not still outside. 80 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:21,800 You're inside the tube slide. 81 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:26,320 Are we not just like a big tube slide for gum? 82 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:32,560 I mean, yeah, you could make that argument. 83 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:40,520 And as I told them, the point of this is to consider the ways in which our respiratory 84 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:44,640 and digestive systems are constantly interacting with the environment. 85 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:50,400 Not that I actually wanted to convince them that gum is outside the body. 86 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:57,160 You know, it didn't even occur to me to ask why you brought this up to them. 87 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:00,960 And I feel like Gatsby would really like that interpretation. 88 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:03,360 I didn't do anything wrong. 89 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:04,960 The socks were on the outside. 90 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:09,480 The socks are still on the outside as I attempt to digest them. 91 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:14,320 I can't remember if in our last episode we talked about how my dog had emergency surgery. 92 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:15,960 We did not. 93 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,760 Gatsby, the big dummy. 94 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:24,120 He had a very, very bad poodle. 95 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:28,160 He ate a sock, which he's been known to do. 96 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:33,280 And then he'll come out one end or the other. 97 00:05:33,280 --> 00:05:37,760 And this sock did not want to leave and was stuck. 98 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:40,560 I actually, same week. 99 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:42,280 This must have just been last week. 100 00:05:42,280 --> 00:05:44,400 I was teaching the digestive system. 101 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:50,160 So I drew a picture of Gatsby on the board and was like, let's talk about where this 102 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,320 got stuck in the dog. 103 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:53,320 Oh, God. 104 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,560 And he's doing well now, though. 105 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:58,560 He is, yes. 106 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:02,960 He's got a little bit of an infection at his site of the surgery. 107 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:09,480 So it was so stuck he had to have emergency surgery to cut it out of his stomach. 108 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:18,440 So he still has a little bit of an infection from licking the wound, but he is doing good 109 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:21,560 enough that he keeps trying to eat dumb stuff. 110 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:22,560 Okay. 111 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,760 I guess that's a good sign in a way. 112 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:26,760 Yeah. 113 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:27,760 Yeah. 114 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:28,760 Real bad guy. 115 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:30,760 Real, unfortunately cute. 116 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:31,760 Yeah. 117 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:33,760 He's the cutest dog ever. 118 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:34,760 Yeah. 119 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:36,920 Like this is it, I think. 120 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:37,920 Yeah. 121 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:40,560 I don't know whether the dog can be cuter. 122 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:42,760 I have not witnessed one. 123 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:43,760 No. 124 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:47,600 And our episode starts with a dog. 125 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:54,040 But I do want to note before we get to the dog in the episode, we have a listener story 126 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:55,040 this week. 127 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:56,040 Oh, wonderful. 128 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,040 And the listener is me. 129 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:03,840 So I will leave it at that. 130 00:07:03,840 --> 00:07:08,040 So we start the interior of a house at night. 131 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,960 It is Pulaski, Virginia in 1985. 132 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:16,280 So I had a moment of going, oh, many, many decades ago and then realized, no, about nine 133 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,440 years from when this episode is airing. 134 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:21,360 So not that long ago. 135 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,840 And there's like a border collie in a house. 136 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,000 I don't know the point of the border collie. 137 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:27,720 I got all worried about him. 138 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,760 And then he wasn't ever in the show again and he was fine. 139 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:35,560 But there was like a TV on and there was a house that's kind of like under renovation. 140 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:39,200 So there's some plastic sheeting up and there's a man sleeping in bed. 141 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:44,800 And all of a sudden the TV goes staticky and the dog jumps on the bed and looks kind of 142 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:46,440 worried. 143 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:48,760 And I was very worried about this dog. 144 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:50,880 Again, he was fine. 145 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:51,880 So I don't know. 146 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:53,800 But he's fine. 147 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:58,080 All of a sudden some shadowy figure appears behind the plastic sheeting. 148 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:04,840 The man wakes up and he sees there's multiple aliens looking at him through there and he 149 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,120 starts screaming not again. 150 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,120 And he's screaming and screaming. 151 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:15,360 And it was at this point that my Bluetooth headphones stopped working and the sound of 152 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:20,360 Dwayne Berry screaming filled my office and my door was open. 153 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:24,760 So I was just watching it in my office because we were still there. 154 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:28,320 So all of a sudden Dwayne Berry screaming is like broadcast. 155 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:29,880 Oh no. 156 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:30,880 Yeah. 157 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:36,120 And you see a flying saucer above the house with like a beam shining down on the house. 158 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:42,080 We get this beam song and we show we're at like a low security prison and we see that 159 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:44,080 same guy from the cold open. 160 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:45,080 That is Dwayne Berry. 161 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:48,120 The man who the episode is named after. 162 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:49,120 Middle-aged guy. 163 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:51,880 I looked him up to see if he'd been in anything else. 164 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:58,600 And I think this will give you a picture of him if you can't picture him listeners. 165 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:02,720 He has played Charles Manson and he has played Ed Gaine. 166 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:04,600 So he's kidding. 167 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:05,600 Yep. 168 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:06,920 He's clean shaven. 169 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:12,520 He doesn't have like a Manson beard but you know he's good at playing creepy people. 170 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:13,520 Oh God. 171 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:14,520 Oh yeah. 172 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:21,520 Gaine was in prison in Madison for the latter part of his life because he was at Mendota 173 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:25,240 the high security psychiatric center. 174 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:26,240 Whoa. 175 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:27,240 Whoa. 176 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:28,240 Yeah. 177 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:29,240 Real creepy. 178 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:30,240 Yeah. 179 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:31,240 Real quick. 180 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:36,200 I do remember that opening because I have seen this one. 181 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:39,960 It's been a while but I have seen it several times. 182 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:40,960 Real creepy. 183 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:42,360 I like that was one that stuck with me. 184 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:43,880 I remember that very well. 185 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:47,440 Isn't this episode left an impression on me? 186 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:48,440 Really? 187 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:50,760 It is a really scary episode. 188 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:51,760 Oh really? 189 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:52,760 Yeah. 190 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:58,000 Like I feel like I honestly like watching it I feel like now we're at the point where 191 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:02,840 there's a reason our podcast exists as if it didn't have a reason for existence before 192 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:05,880 then but like I'm like now we're like getting into it. 193 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:09,360 But also and I mean I kind of felt that way listening to you last week. 194 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:15,240 It's like cry check is here because we see cry check again in a few minutes. 195 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:21,840 Yeah though I'll talk about some of the later scenes and my reaction to them. 196 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:22,840 Okay. 197 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,240 It was a scary episode. 198 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:26,240 Wow. 199 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:27,240 Yeah. 200 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:30,760 So Dwayne is at this correctional facility. 201 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:31,760 Right. 202 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:36,480 He's in like plastic type handcuffs and like like zip ties and he's meeting with a doctor 203 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:37,840 and he's like I don't want to take my meds. 204 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:42,200 I don't like how they make me feel and he's like and the doctor's like well we don't want 205 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:43,200 you to hurt anyone. 206 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:45,400 So I'm like I'm not going to hurt anyone. 207 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:46,960 Dwayne and Dwayne is like I'm not crazy. 208 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:51,080 They're coming for me again and he does a lot of talking in the third person like they're 209 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:53,200 not taking Dwayne Berry again. 210 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:55,720 Oh I don't know. 211 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:56,720 Yeah. 212 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:57,720 No. 213 00:10:57,720 --> 00:10:59,120 I mean the first one is feeling bad. 214 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:03,040 I mean like a lot of psychiatric drugs a lot of drugs in general have like rough side 215 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:07,880 effects and I'm just feeling kind of bad for him but also well look at there. 216 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:10,400 I don't feel too bad for him. 217 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:11,400 Yeah. 218 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:12,400 I don't know. 219 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,120 I think that's an interesting question for discussion. 220 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:15,120 Okay. 221 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,560 I don't know. 222 00:11:17,560 --> 00:11:25,320 So the doctor turns his back to get a shot to give it to him and in the meantime Dwayne 223 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:30,680 grabs the like fancy calligraphy pen with like the little stabby pointy end. 224 00:11:30,680 --> 00:11:31,680 Oh uh-huh. 225 00:11:31,680 --> 00:11:32,680 Apparently. 226 00:11:32,680 --> 00:11:35,520 Why does the doctor have one of those? 227 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:36,520 Uh, saddened. 228 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:37,520 I don't know. 229 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:38,520 Just a fancy guy. 230 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:39,520 I don't know. 231 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:47,800 Maybe this is a question for, I have some friends whose parents are also physicians. 232 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:53,400 So maybe this is a question for physicians that practiced you know a couple decades ago. 233 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:54,400 Yeah. 234 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:55,400 You're a potter style. 235 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:56,400 Yeah. 236 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:57,400 Yeah. 237 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:58,400 Exactly. 238 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:01,600 Like loaded in cartridge in it or whatever. 239 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:03,240 So he runs up to the hall. 240 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:06,800 He stabs the security guard in the back with it and then in the ensuing chaos takes the 241 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:13,560 security guard's gun, grabs the doctorate gun point and abducts him. 242 00:12:13,560 --> 00:12:17,040 And then we see cry check. 243 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:19,160 Walking into a pool. 244 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:20,160 You might recall this scene. 245 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:24,000 Oh I do because David DeCovney is in a Speedo, right? 246 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:25,480 It's when we laughed. 247 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:26,480 Yep. 248 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:27,480 Yeah. 249 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:28,480 And I do recall this scene. 250 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:31,800 And Ellen, there is no need for this scene in the plot. 251 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:39,360 This could have taken place in a hallway, in a park like anywhere and for some reason. 252 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:41,680 But I feel like fair play to him. 253 00:12:41,680 --> 00:12:44,120 He looks very, very good. 254 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:46,320 He looks even better than I remembered. 255 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,520 I was like, you know. 256 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:52,440 You can take a picture right now as you're talking. 257 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:53,440 It's worth it. 258 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:54,440 Yeah. 259 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:58,920 I was just like imagining David DeCovney being like, we need to find a reason to get 260 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:04,080 Mulder in a Speedo because I've really been like working out or whatever. 261 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:05,080 I don't know. 262 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:06,080 There's no reason for it. 263 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:07,560 Cry check's in a suit. 264 00:13:07,560 --> 00:13:10,560 Mulder is like swimming laps and he comes out of the pool and he's talking to Crycheck 265 00:13:10,560 --> 00:13:13,040 and he's just staying there in a bright red Speedo. 266 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:14,040 Yeah. 267 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:15,040 Wow. 268 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:16,040 Yeah. 269 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:17,040 All right. 270 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:18,040 The man looks good. 271 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:19,040 Yeah. 272 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:20,040 He does. 273 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:21,040 Yeah. 274 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:22,040 You know, it's funny. 275 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:23,040 So have you seen the show, The Chair? 276 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,240 No, but I thought it's really good. 277 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:27,400 Oh, it's really good. 278 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:31,480 My friend Amy, a dentist who I've mentioned on the show before. 279 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:34,080 Well, I was talking about dentists more later. 280 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:35,080 Oh, no. 281 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:38,080 I've had a lot of dental work done this year. 282 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:39,080 I don't like it. 283 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,120 You're not going to like this. 284 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:42,120 Okay. 285 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:50,840 But Amy texted me and said, this was a few years ago now and recommended I watch it because 286 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:55,800 she said that David DeCovney still made her think of me, which I think really is the highest 287 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:56,800 compliment. 288 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:58,520 Wait, is he on the chair? 289 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:00,120 Yes, he is. 290 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:01,120 Yeah. 291 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:02,120 He plays himself. 292 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:03,120 Really? 293 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:04,120 Yeah. 294 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:05,920 And it's also, it's about academia. 295 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:09,440 So it's pretty entertaining. 296 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,040 But he is, hold on. 297 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:15,920 I want to say there's a scene where he's swimming needlessly. 298 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:19,680 I'm pretty sure he's like in a pool. 299 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:23,520 I know that he's in a new movie that's coming out this Christmas with Meg Ryan and it's 300 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:28,520 like a romantic comedy and they're like exes who are at the airport and they get snowed 301 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:30,520 in and whatever. 302 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:31,520 Oh my gosh. 303 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:32,520 Yeah. 304 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:36,040 But he was, I loved him in Remember Me or Return to Me. 305 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:37,040 Return to Me. 306 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:38,040 Oh, God. 307 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:39,040 Yeah. 308 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:40,040 Yeah. 309 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:41,040 Oh my God. 310 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:42,040 Yes. 311 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:43,040 He's in a red speedo. 312 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:44,040 Huh. 313 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:45,040 And yeah. 314 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:46,040 No way. 315 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:47,040 Isn't it? 316 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:48,040 Yeah. 317 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:49,040 That's awesome. 318 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:50,040 I thought, yes. 319 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:51,040 I thought I remembered that talking to Sandra Oh. 320 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:52,040 Huh. 321 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:57,040 I don't know if he doesn't look like when he was 30 but he is still a good looking man. 322 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:58,040 Yeah. 323 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:03,520 I mean, there's like all that like weird stuff about his sex addiction and how like. 324 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:04,520 Oh yeah. 325 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:05,520 Yeah. 326 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:07,520 I don't know any details though. 327 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:08,520 Me either. 328 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:11,520 I don't know that I want to. 329 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:12,520 Yeah. 330 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:17,600 But I mean like he was in Red Shoe Diaries before he did ex files and I've never seen 331 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:18,600 that. 332 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:20,040 I'm familiar with the premise but. 333 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:21,040 Yeah. 334 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:26,520 I mean, what I most of remember is he wasn't in any of the like totaling stories. 335 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:30,280 He was just like he would get the letters for some reason and he'd be like walking his 336 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:34,760 dog named Jake, which you pretended to have a dog named Jake once. 337 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:35,760 I did. 338 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:36,760 Yeah. 339 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:37,760 Yeah. 340 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:39,320 And I will say like. 341 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:40,320 Yeah. 342 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:41,320 You do say yeah. 343 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:49,160 My, my policy as far as that is like if everything is above board and consensual and adult, I 344 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:50,360 don't, I don't need to know. 345 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:52,480 I am just going to pretend that he's faultless. 346 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:53,480 Yeah. 347 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:54,480 As long as. 348 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:55,480 Yeah. 349 00:15:55,480 --> 00:16:00,640 I feel like it's not good if he cheated on Taillione or whatever, but it's also not something 350 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:06,840 where I feel like it's not akin to a lot of the other terrible things people can do. 351 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:07,840 Right. 352 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:08,840 Yeah. 353 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:09,840 Agreed. 354 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:10,840 Yeah. 355 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:11,840 Okay. 356 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:12,840 All right. 357 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:14,880 So, so, so Cretchett gets Mulder out of the pool and tells you about the hot six situation 358 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:16,600 is like they want to talk to you. 359 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:17,600 Okay. 360 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:19,480 They want your help with this. 361 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:24,520 And so my Mulder and Cretchett go to this office building that is right near a travel 362 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:31,280 agency because they find out from the people who are like, I don't know, the hostage experts, 363 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:32,280 the hostage people. 364 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:34,160 I don't know what you call those people. 365 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:35,160 Negotiators. 366 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:36,160 There we go. 367 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:39,880 I guess, but they want Mulder to be the official negotiator because. 368 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:40,880 Oh, okay. 369 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:45,080 Blanberry is talking about aliens and he says he's a former Abdupti. 370 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:46,080 Okay. 371 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:50,080 Man, I have to write the word Abdupti in my notes so much and every single time it was 372 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:55,240 a struggle that D and then that D. Every time I was like, I don't know if I can do this 373 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:57,920 and I was going real fast. 374 00:16:57,920 --> 00:16:59,440 But okay. 375 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:01,360 So this is interesting to me. 376 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:05,880 Dwayne wants to go back to the first place where he was abducted, but he can't remember 377 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:06,880 where. 378 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:11,800 So he's gone to a travel agency and that's where he has his hostages. 379 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:14,440 This is how you get involved with the X5. 380 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:16,440 Yes. 381 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:17,440 Yeah. 382 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:22,000 I was just thinking, man, people say that the travel industry was different in the 90s 383 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,000 and so it was. 384 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:25,000 Yeah. 385 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:26,000 Oh man. 386 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:30,320 So he's got his hostages there and there's this woman who, I never got her name. 387 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:32,040 I'm going to call her the woman in charge. 388 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:35,040 She's like the head negotiator type expert person. 389 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:40,000 And she's like, look, you just need to like keep him calm, keep him on the phone. 390 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:41,000 We need some time. 391 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:44,600 And Mulder's like, no, I want to know more about his abductions and she's like, he's 392 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:45,600 a psycho. 393 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:47,240 Keep him on the phone. 394 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:54,000 And it, well, I want to talk a little bit about negotiators in fiction and stuff, but 395 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,120 we'll get there in a sec. 396 00:17:56,120 --> 00:17:59,600 Because the first thing I need to share is that there is a man who's a hostage who looks 397 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:01,600 just like Tobias Fume, okay? 398 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:03,840 In a suit. 399 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:07,520 I was just like, that's David Cross, but specifically Tobias. 400 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:08,920 I mean, he was in a suit. 401 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,920 He wasn't in denim put-offs, but otherwise I'm like, that's the best. 402 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:12,920 Well, we don't know. 403 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:16,600 I mean, of course he's a never-nude who was probably wearing them under the suit. 404 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:17,600 Underneath. 405 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:18,600 Yes. 406 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:19,600 Yeah. 407 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:23,560 And there was, there was one moment where he said a line kind of dramatically and I 408 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:27,000 imagined the director going, would you like to do that again? 409 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:31,920 And him being like, no, like with Tobias additions to the fire sale. 410 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:32,920 The fire sale. 411 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:33,920 It's a fire sale. 412 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:38,920 So, evacuate all the schoolchildren. 413 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,680 Anyway, arrested development reference. 414 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:42,680 Yeah. 415 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:43,680 You don't know arrested development. 416 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:45,680 Go watch it now. 417 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:46,680 Stop listening to us. 418 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:47,680 Go watch arrested development. 419 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:48,680 Then you can listen again. 420 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:49,680 All right. 421 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:50,680 So, Mulder's got a script. 422 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:58,160 He's not very good at delivering his lines, believably, in my opinion. 423 00:18:58,160 --> 00:18:59,760 Kind of like Tobias, I don't know. 424 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:03,160 But he's like, you know, I'm your friend. 425 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:09,680 I am really trying to like talk to him calmly and Dwayne is real angry. 426 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:13,080 And there's this whiteboard with the steps for negotiating. 427 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:15,040 There's some sort of mnemonic device. 428 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:16,320 I don't remember any of them. 429 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:17,320 It doesn't matter. 430 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:21,720 But the point is Dwayne also knows them and he's like, I know the steps and he lays them 431 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:22,720 right out. 432 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:26,800 And so Dwayne hands up and Mulder's like, is he FBI? 433 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:30,400 And the woman in charge is like a former FBI. 434 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,400 And Mulder's like, yeah, you didn't think to tell me? 435 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:35,400 Like that's kind of important, right? 436 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:36,400 All right. 437 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:37,560 So she's like, it's no big deal. 438 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:38,800 I don't need to tell you that. 439 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:40,800 Just say your lines. 440 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:45,200 And Mulder gets really mad and try check offers to help. 441 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:47,960 And the woman's like, you got your notepad and try checks. 442 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:48,960 Like, yeah. 443 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:51,960 And she's like, all right, large coffee, cream, sugar. 444 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:52,960 Oh my God. 445 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:57,840 And it's like, I just like seeing people be mean to cry check. 446 00:19:57,840 --> 00:19:59,840 It's just never not awesome. 447 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:00,840 Yeah. 448 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:06,320 But think about seeing hostage negotiators in movies and TV. 449 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:07,320 Okay. 450 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:08,320 Yeah. 451 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:13,280 The only examples I have are ones where they are totally incompetent. 452 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:17,720 I don't have that many examples, but like, okay, diehard. 453 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:18,720 I don't know. 454 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:19,720 Have you seen diehard? 455 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:21,840 I have seen it, but only once or twice. 456 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:23,360 I haven't seen it much. 457 00:20:23,360 --> 00:20:26,640 So I'm not, I'm not super familiar with that part of it. 458 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,040 We watch it at Christmas time while we wrap gifts. 459 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:30,040 So that's awesome. 460 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:31,040 Yeah. 461 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:32,040 It's great. 462 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:39,920 But like the one of the whole deals is like, there's just the one cop who believes John 463 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:43,280 McClain and everybody else is like, he could be with the bad guys. 464 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:44,280 Don't trust them. 465 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:50,280 We're going to like, storm the building and people are going to get killed. 466 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:55,280 And then my other examples are both from Brooklyn Nine-Nine, which is a comedy TV show. 467 00:20:55,280 --> 00:21:03,960 So maybe it's less good in which, in one scene, a hostage negotiator defines the process 468 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:09,040 of negotiation as two liars lying to each other until one of them stands close enough 469 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:13,320 to a window to get shot by a sniper or something like that. 470 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:17,640 And I feel like that is the exact approach that these people take in the X-Files. 471 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:18,640 Ah, okay. 472 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:24,960 So can you think of any other hostage negotiators on TV or movies? 473 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:33,080 Well, the first one, the only one that comes to mind that is not X-Files related is Mindhunter. 474 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:34,080 Okay. 475 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:35,920 I've heard of that. 476 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:40,880 It's rare for me to be too creeped out by something true crime related. 477 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:50,160 Like that is a line that's usually pretty hard to cross, but I couldn't keep watching 478 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:51,160 it. 479 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,000 Is it true crime? 480 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:54,000 It is. 481 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,720 I'm pretty sure it's Jonathan Groff, isn't it? 482 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,360 Which like, it's hard not to just love him. 483 00:22:00,360 --> 00:22:02,680 Isn't he the snowman from Frozen? 484 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,440 Jonathan Groff is not the... 485 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,160 You're thinking of Josh Gad. 486 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:12,360 Jonathan Groff is Kristoff and Sven from Frozen. 487 00:22:12,360 --> 00:22:13,360 So the reindeer. 488 00:22:13,360 --> 00:22:14,360 Hold on. 489 00:22:14,360 --> 00:22:17,960 Wait, one person does the voice of both the man and the reindeer? 490 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,280 Because the man does the voice for the reindeer. 491 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,000 Like he like speaks for him. 492 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,680 Like you know how like when you're talking to your dogs and you're like, you know, but 493 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,000 I want to eat the sock or whatever. 494 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:31,160 I thought it was like he made reindeer noises. 495 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,000 No, no. 496 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:37,200 And he was on Glee and he was King George. 497 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:38,200 Okay. 498 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,800 So I thought Hamilton, the same people. 499 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:46,680 I thought the guy on Glee was King George and was the snowman. 500 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:47,680 Right. 501 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:48,680 Oh, and the snowman. 502 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:49,680 Oh, no, no, no. 503 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:50,680 No, that's... 504 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:51,680 Yeah. 505 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:55,040 So Josh Gad also plays Bear Claw on New Girl. 506 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:56,040 That's Bear Claw. 507 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:57,040 Yeah, I do. 508 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:58,040 Yeah, I do. 509 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,040 Oh, I have no idea. 510 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:01,040 Okay. 511 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:04,920 Yeah, I've just been making those the same people in my head. 512 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:05,920 But good to know. 513 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:06,920 Okay. 514 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:07,920 So those are very different vibes. 515 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:08,920 He's the guy from Glee. 516 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:09,920 Okay. 517 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:10,920 I can picture him. 518 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:11,920 Yeah. 519 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:16,480 And I'm pretty sure in the first or second episode there's hostage negotiations. 520 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,000 That's where all this was going. 521 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:19,000 Okay. 522 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:20,000 Yeah. 523 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,960 So, mindhunter though, it's bad and scary. 524 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,120 I mean, it's good and scary. 525 00:23:26,120 --> 00:23:31,680 It's very well done, but I couldn't keep watching it. 526 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:35,240 And so, there's a hostage negotiator. 527 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:36,320 Yeah, yep. 528 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,520 Are they incompetent? 529 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:39,520 Yes. 530 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:40,520 Okay. 531 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:41,520 Yeah. 532 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:45,960 I'm going to pay attention to this and see if it's actually a trope or if I just happen 533 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:46,960 to see that. 534 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:53,400 Because then this episode kind of turned into like a standard hostage sort of tense drama 535 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,440 with some real disturbing extra bonus notes. 536 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,160 So, that's something I remember. 537 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:00,160 Yeah. 538 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:01,160 Yeah. 539 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,920 So, Mulder calls Scully because again, they're clearly minimizing use of Dana, Scully, I 540 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:09,320 don't know why I called her by her full name, of Jillian Anderson while she's pregnant. 541 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,960 And so, she's like, I'm watching it on TV. 542 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:16,480 And so, Mulder's like, he's FBI and he gives Scully Dwayne Berry's name and she's like, 543 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,680 I'm going to do some research. 544 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:24,640 Then both the travel agency and this office building next to it lose power and Dwayne 545 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:29,960 starts shooting and he shoots Tobias. 546 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,360 And so, Dwayne's like, yeah, we're going to need a doctor. 547 00:24:32,360 --> 00:24:37,000 And so, they're like, okay, we're going to send in two MTs, one real one and one that 548 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:43,000 is Mulder with an earpiece, which is risky. 549 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:47,880 The woman in charge is like, excuse for another costume change for David D'Gothney. 550 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,360 We don't see him change in this case. 551 00:24:51,360 --> 00:24:53,600 No, it's clearly one of those things. 552 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:57,320 It's the same impulse that makes Mulder go like running into the woods when something 553 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:01,880 creepy goes there or like, you know, he's like, oh, something very dangerous. 554 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,080 Okay, there I go. 555 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,360 And she's like, don't join in his delusion. 556 00:25:06,360 --> 00:25:11,120 And it's like, we know exactly what's going to happen there. 557 00:25:11,120 --> 00:25:13,920 And so Tobias has been shot, but he's not dead. 558 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:19,440 And we see that there's snipers outside ready to go. 559 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:24,000 And Mulder is like, was that them who just turned off all the lights? 560 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,520 Was that them immediately joining into the like UFO stuff? 561 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,000 He's like, are they here? 562 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:29,360 Are they here, Dwayne? 563 00:25:29,360 --> 00:25:32,960 And Mulder's like, I believe you and you can hear the like woman in charge yelling in 564 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,960 his little earpiece, which I always feel like in real life, wouldn't you be able to hear 565 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:37,960 that? 566 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:38,960 Like, well, I don't know. 567 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:44,320 I don't know if this technology works. 568 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:50,800 But him and Dwayne kind of slowly start bonding and Mulder tells Dwayne all about Samantha. 569 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:56,160 And Dwayne starts describing how they come for him and the abduction stuff and they do 570 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,000 the tests and all this stuff. 571 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,680 And he's like, do they take you to a ship? 572 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:06,800 And then it shows a scene back from that scene in 1985 where Dwayne's laying in bed. 573 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,640 The dog is not there. 574 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,040 And there's all these aliens surrounding the bed. 575 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,640 And it is very, very light as a feather, stiff as a board. 576 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:20,560 Because Dwayne starts floating into the air just like, I think we always wanted to happen 577 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,880 with light as a feather, stiff as a board. 578 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:24,360 The aliens speak for yourself. 579 00:26:24,360 --> 00:26:27,280 But yeah, yeah. 580 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:32,120 I mean, I did not play those games as a child. 581 00:26:32,120 --> 00:26:33,120 You didn't? 582 00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:34,120 No. 583 00:26:34,120 --> 00:26:35,120 No. 584 00:26:35,120 --> 00:26:36,120 No? 585 00:26:36,120 --> 00:26:37,120 No. 586 00:26:37,120 --> 00:26:38,120 Too scared. 587 00:26:38,120 --> 00:26:42,960 I don't know if I could rank the most afraid I've ever been. 588 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:48,960 But top, I don't know, definitely top 10, maybe top five would be playing with a Ouija 589 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,440 board when I was in eighth grader at Erin Walsh's house. 590 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:52,440 Katie Laos house. 591 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:53,440 Katie Laos house. 592 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:54,440 Katie Laos house. 593 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,640 Well, no, I remember you doing it at Erin Walsh's house too, right? 594 00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,720 Or was it, or was her house haunted? 595 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:05,680 Because I remember being there at night and playing with her sister, I think so, and being 596 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:06,680 really freaked out. 597 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,840 And remember, we did think her house was haunted. 598 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:11,400 I don't remember why. 599 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,680 For legitimate reasons or probably not legitimate ones now. 600 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:15,680 I doubt it. 601 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:22,560 We were watching, what's that, Freddie movie that came out, New Nightmare, which we really 602 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:23,560 liked it. 603 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:24,560 I don't know. 604 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,280 There was a Freddie movie that came out in the mid 90s and I don't know. 605 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:31,800 We watched it a lot and we were watching it and her parents were upstairs in bed. 606 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,680 We were the only two awake and we heard these real loud crashes in her garage and we were 607 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:36,680 terrified. 608 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:42,040 And we ran upstairs and her parents were like, no, you're fine. 609 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:43,040 It's nothing. 610 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:44,040 Go away. 611 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:49,600 And like, I understand it, but also, it was scary. 612 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:53,400 But yeah, it was a Katie, Katie Laos where me and her and Erin played with this Ouija 613 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,800 board of her sisters, of Katie's sister, she had an older sister. 614 00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,080 And then we slept in her basement. 615 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,520 Her basement had no windows, so it was like your eyes never adjusted. 616 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,000 It was just pitch black. 617 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:06,000 It was so scary. 618 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:10,880 We thought we might have summoned the spirit of Jeffrey Dahmer. 619 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,600 Later Erin admitted that she had done it. 620 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:14,600 I'm 99% sure. 621 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:15,600 Oh, then she was moving. 622 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:16,600 Yeah. 623 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:17,600 Yeah. 624 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:18,600 Yeah. 625 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:19,600 Yeah. 626 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:20,960 I will not. 627 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:21,960 I did not. 628 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,680 I Ouija boards. 629 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,440 I will not fuck with. 630 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:26,440 I, nope. 631 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:27,440 Fair enough. 632 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:28,440 Yeah. 633 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:29,440 No. 634 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:30,440 Fair enough. 635 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:31,440 Nope. 636 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:32,440 Yeah. 637 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:33,440 Not interested. 638 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:34,440 Not now, not ever. 639 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,000 I'm not scared of scary. 640 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:41,200 The Parker Brothers logo on them makes them a little less scary. 641 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:45,360 But lightest and further stiff as a board seemed less scary for some reason. 642 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,360 That felt more reasonable. 643 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:49,600 You know what story I want to tell? 644 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:55,960 Because I actually, I just wrote this into a podcast that was like soliciting spooky 645 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,360 stories and stuff. 646 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:04,600 Do you remember when you go and your friends were playing Bloody Mary? 647 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,120 Do you know what story I'm referencing? 648 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:07,120 Is this with mom? 649 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:08,120 Oh yeah. 650 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:09,120 Yeah. 651 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,000 So, uh, well, do you want to tell it? 652 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,280 Do you remember the story? 653 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:15,280 Um, okay. 654 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,280 Me and my friend were playing Bloody Mary. 655 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:24,600 So in the version we grew up with, you had to say that I am 47 times in the world. 656 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,000 I only heard three. 657 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:31,280 Well, that's the normal version, but we were taught it was, it was somewhere in the 40s. 658 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,120 That's white true with the scallops lips. 659 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:35,120 Oh no. 660 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:36,840 I mean something. 661 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:37,840 Okay. 662 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:38,840 Yeah. 663 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:39,840 Um, okay. 664 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:41,920 I'm not stupid or crazy about that. 665 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:47,560 Anyway, so we were in there for a while saying, I believe in Bloody Mary to the mirror and 666 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,440 we were too afraid to have the bathroom door all the way shut. 667 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,680 So we left it like a crack open. 668 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:53,680 Yeah. 669 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,120 So we saw a figure in the mirror. 670 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:57,120 Yeah. 671 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:58,120 Do you want to jump in here? 672 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:04,360 Um, what I recall was that you and your friends were having a sleepover and I was jealous 673 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:10,200 and, um, our mom took me up to go to bed. 674 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:15,000 But then she got the idea because you guys were in there with the door cracked open, um, 675 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:21,960 to take my pale face dark haired spooky toddler self and hold me up in the mirror. 676 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,680 So that you suddenly saw my face appear. 677 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,960 Oh, it's scary. 678 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,960 I love that. 679 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:30,960 Yeah. 680 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,240 I mean, was it actually, like, did it actually freak you guys out? 681 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:35,240 Yes. 682 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:41,960 But then like seconds later, we realized it wasn't like mom hid it from us or something. 683 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:42,960 Yeah. 684 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:43,960 Yeah. 685 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,040 It was terrifying for an instant and then it was funny. 686 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:47,040 Yeah. 687 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:48,040 Yeah. 688 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,760 Um, I mean, I played basically no part in this. 689 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,160 And I was just the, you looked scary. 690 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:55,560 That's scary. 691 00:30:55,560 --> 00:31:01,760 Um, but I, I like that. 692 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,400 Anyway, so, um, so that's what appears to be happening. 693 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:06,400 Light as a feather. 694 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:07,400 Okay. 695 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:08,400 He's rising into the way. 696 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:09,400 He's alien. 697 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:10,400 He's alien. 698 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:11,400 He's standing right at his bed. 699 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,760 Um, and Dwayne is saying how like they're talking to me, but they don't make any noise. 700 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:19,200 They use a type of telepathy and Mulder's like abductees call it mind scan. 701 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,920 And I just felt like that was really not useful. 702 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,320 Um, and so at this point, he's like bonded with Mulder. 703 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:26,320 He believes him. 704 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:31,960 Um, and then Mulder's like, so they take you aboard the ship to perform the tests. 705 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:37,560 Helen, and then leading the witness or no. 706 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:42,800 And then they show some, some flashbacks or whatever. 707 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:48,720 And my first thought, um, sort of autopilot was, Oh, thank God, I was assigned to watch 708 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,720 this one and not you because you're little. 709 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:56,720 Oh, it's like, Oh, this is too scary for Helen. 710 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,720 She told me in her mid thirties. 711 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:00,720 Exactly. 712 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,320 Uh, but the thing is, Oh no, really? 713 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,320 It was dental base. 714 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:14,200 Oh, oh, cause he's got like, he's on like a creepy place. 715 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:15,200 I don't know. 716 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:21,320 His mouth is held open with metal things. 717 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,280 Yeah, I can picture that. 718 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,640 And then they're bringing in a laser and I'm writing in all caps. 719 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,440 I am not a fan. 720 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:32,400 And it was really scary. 721 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,200 Like that scene was fucking terrifying. 722 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:36,200 Like, Oh man. 723 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:40,600 They like, I don't know if like, you know, they got a bigger budget and they're a little 724 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,240 more into a horror image. 725 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:43,240 I don't know. 726 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:44,240 It was just terrifying. 727 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:45,240 Wow. 728 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,240 I was just like, Helen, I'm so glad you're not watching this. 729 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:48,240 Oh my God. 730 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,960 Especially with all the dental work you've had done lately. 731 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:56,360 This was like, although better to have had the dental work and then watch this than the 732 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:57,360 opposite. 733 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:03,640 I was about to say, at least it seems like, yeah, yeah, at least I may have a break from 734 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,120 it for a while. 735 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:06,120 Yeah. 736 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:07,120 Yeah. 737 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:08,120 Yeah. 738 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:16,080 So they drill tools in his teeth to hide trackers, he says. 739 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:22,000 And so then Scully gets on the phone with cry check because Mulder is gone and Scully 740 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:27,440 is not happy that they let Mulder go into the hostage place, into the travel agency. 741 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:31,280 And she's like, Dwayne Berry is not who Mulder thinks he is. 742 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:38,040 And so then they, the flashback, okay, Mulder's talking murder Dwayne and Dwayne confirms, yeah, 743 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:42,560 he's seen kids up there before they're doing tests on the kids and, you know, are they 744 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:43,560 hurting them? 745 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:44,560 Oh yeah. 746 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:45,560 Oh God. 747 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:46,560 Yeah. 748 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:47,560 Yeah. 749 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,040 You know, I wanted to be like, come on, Dwayne, that's his sister. 750 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,880 But it was, it was so scary. 751 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,160 And he's like, oh, it's like living with a gun to your head. 752 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,320 You don't know when you're going to be taken. 753 00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:58,320 Yeah. 754 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,120 It's very scary. 755 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:04,600 And at the same time, we see a hole being drilled in the wall of the travel agency and 756 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:09,960 they very carefully lower a little camera through it so that they can see what is happening 757 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:10,960 in the room. 758 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:11,960 Okay. 759 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:17,600 And so then we see Scully shows up in person and she's like, I just flew down from Washington, 760 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,080 which I cannot sort out temporally speaking. 761 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,080 How long has Mulder been talking to Dwayne? 762 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:24,080 Do you mean temporally? 763 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:25,080 Oh, yeah. 764 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:26,080 Oh, sorry, sorry. 765 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:27,080 I thought you meant spatially. 766 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:28,080 I thought you meant spatially. 767 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,080 Especially on, especially on temporally. 768 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,280 Where is this supposed to be? 769 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:33,280 Virginia? 770 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:34,280 So I'm like, oh, yeah. 771 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:35,280 I mean, that's super fly. 772 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:36,280 I'm like, I don't know. 773 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:41,280 I guess the second process did take way less time and probably she's got special government 774 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:42,280 stuff. 775 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,280 So she's probably getting on the plane. 776 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,760 I let my head like get there two hours early for domestic flights. 777 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,960 You know, she's probably not doing that. 778 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:50,960 Yeah. 779 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:52,600 But she flies there. 780 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,480 This is like of the like, you know, this meeting could have been an email. 781 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,560 This is a, this in-person visit for Scully could have been a talking through the wire 782 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:00,560 to crotch a thing. 783 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:05,840 Because she's like, hey, you know, he's not who he says he is. 784 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:07,760 I'm like, you just had that on the phone. 785 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,200 You didn't have to show up in person. 786 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:14,800 So oh, it also included Crytek telling Scully to calm down and her going, don't tell me 787 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:15,800 to calm down. 788 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:16,800 And that was good. 789 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:17,800 That is good. 790 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:18,800 So, okay. 791 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:24,520 So she's like, he has this rare state of psychosis and we're going to learn a little 792 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:25,520 bit now. 793 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,480 It's a learning time. 794 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:31,000 So she's like, he was shot in the line of duty in the early 80s. 795 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,800 He'd been, you know, normal, good agent, well liked before that. 796 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:39,640 And a bullet pierced his bilateral frontal lobes. 797 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:40,960 Okay. 798 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:49,840 And so she mentions how there's this guy Gage in history who'd had a last name. 799 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:50,840 Oh yeah, Phineas Gage. 800 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:51,840 Phineas Gage. 801 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:52,840 You know about Phineas Gage. 802 00:35:52,840 --> 00:36:02,560 And well familiar with frontal lobe injuries and the fact that a decent amount of people 803 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:11,320 that end up being criminals and doing bad things have been, have had frontal lobe injuries 804 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:12,320 early in their lives. 805 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:20,640 Now, I can't tell you how statistically significant that is, but there have been, like I know, 806 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,360 I'm pretty sure Gacy had a head injury. 807 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,000 There's like, there's all sorts of reports. 808 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:32,520 But you keep, yeah, what I'm curious about though, in that is like, I've had a head injury. 809 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,280 I've had multiple head injuries. 810 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:39,800 But nobody's going to ask that and use it to justify my behavior because I'm not doing 811 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:40,800 anything crazy. 812 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:45,080 Is it possible that like, under 50% of the population has had head injuries? 813 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:46,080 All right. 814 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:47,080 Let me finish about Gage. 815 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,080 No, let me say this quick on that. 816 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:50,080 On that note. 817 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:51,080 Yeah. 818 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:57,760 I mean, it's similar to how like when you listen to true crime podcasts, mostly, you 819 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,640 hear about like a lot of people that had like really messed up childhoods that went 820 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,640 on to do really messed up things. 821 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,560 And it's like, well, there's going to be those people. 822 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:12,080 But then there's of course the people that the many, many, many more people that were 823 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:16,440 abused and went on to be perfectly normal people. 824 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:17,440 Yeah. 825 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:22,480 You know, you're going to get some overlap between the people with head injuries and 826 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:28,720 the people that had, you know, severe personality changes. 827 00:37:28,720 --> 00:37:35,360 But that doesn't mean that because you have a head injury, you're going to have a personality 828 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:36,360 change. 829 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:42,720 Or if you're a murderer, you don't necessarily, you know, that's what I mean you had. 830 00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:43,720 Yeah. 831 00:37:43,720 --> 00:37:44,720 Yeah. 832 00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:47,160 So she mentions Gage and she's like, he was bizarre. 833 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:48,160 He became bizarre and violent. 834 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:49,160 He was a liar. 835 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:50,160 He was delusional. 836 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:51,160 Yeah. 837 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:55,760 And her point is like same deal with Wayne Berry. 838 00:37:55,760 --> 00:38:00,160 And so he is psychotic after a frontal lobe injury. 839 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:01,680 And that's Kelly's point. 840 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:06,600 I kind of felt like, I don't know, dude took some hostages already. 841 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:10,600 We figure he's, he was already in a correctional facility. 842 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,120 This didn't seem like that big of a reveal to me. 843 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,440 But I looked at Phineas Gage because I remembered learning about him. 844 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,560 Like class, you know, decades ago. 845 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:24,600 And I will say, I want to say this to Wikipedia's credit because it has gotten a lot better 846 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:25,600 since it originally started. 847 00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:32,080 It was quite a good jumping off point, you know, for finding other resources and stuff. 848 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:42,280 Because if you read the page about Gage, who was, he was a dude in the 1800s, 1823 to 1860. 849 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:47,280 And they were doing blasting and this railroad stuff. 850 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,280 Yeah, railroad stuff. 851 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:50,280 Yeah. 852 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:51,960 Went into his head. 853 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:56,880 I recommend looking at the Wikipedia page listeners because there are these like rotating 854 00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,080 3D images of his skull with the rod through it. 855 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,960 And it's just kind of funny in a way. 856 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:04,960 That sounds terrible. 857 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:09,720 I guess that Gage kept the rod or he like gave it away for a while and got back and 858 00:39:09,720 --> 00:39:11,800 would like show it to people. 859 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,080 I mean, fair play, right? 860 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:15,080 For sure. 861 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:16,080 Yeah. 862 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,840 I mean, you know, I've kept all sorts of creepy stuff. 863 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:20,840 So yeah. 864 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:21,840 Oh yeah. 865 00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:22,840 Yeah. 866 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:23,840 I mean, I gave it to you. 867 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:28,480 Yeah, I haven't, but I would if a good opportunity arose. 868 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:29,480 Yeah. 869 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:30,480 Yeah. 870 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:31,800 If like a big rod went through your head. 871 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:32,800 Yeah. 872 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:33,800 Keep that. 873 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:34,800 Yeah. 874 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:35,800 Yeah. 875 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:37,320 So, so here's the thing though. 876 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:38,800 He struggled with his recovery. 877 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:42,360 It sounds like he was not a great person to be around while recovering. 878 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:47,240 I mean, recovering from a thing going through his head in the 1800s, it's not going to be 879 00:39:47,240 --> 00:39:50,280 an answer to recovery. 880 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:55,320 But people who directly knew him while he was alive are not the ones who really said 881 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,080 the extreme stuff about his personality changing. 882 00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:02,480 It really seems like that was somewhat blown out of proportion that there's no interesting 883 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,480 that he was psychotic. 884 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:05,480 Okay. 885 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:06,480 Okay. 886 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:11,800 So like, would I be more of a jerk if I had to recover from a brutal head injury in the 887 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:12,800 1800s? 888 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:13,800 Yeah. 889 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:14,800 Sure. 890 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,200 I'm more of a jerk when it's warm out. 891 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:18,200 Yeah. 892 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:19,200 Yeah. 893 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:20,200 Yeah. 894 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:21,200 Yeah. 895 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:29,840 So it kind of reminded me of how we talked about, oh, the guy who saw the little elf that 896 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,760 Mulder uses as a code name. 897 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,800 Oh, something hail, right? 898 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:34,800 Or hail. 899 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:35,800 Yeah. 900 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:41,240 And again, it seems like in popular culture, this has kind of gotten blown out of proportion 901 00:40:41,240 --> 00:40:42,240 or whatever. 902 00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:43,240 Oh, interesting. 903 00:40:43,240 --> 00:40:44,240 Okay. 904 00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:47,120 That was the impression I was getting doing some research today. 905 00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:48,120 Okay. 906 00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:54,480 But going back to the episode, I felt like, well, oh, is it a big stretch? 907 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,480 Like, doing very psychotic? 908 00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:57,480 Right. 909 00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:58,480 I don't know. 910 00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:03,480 Well, and I will also say though, there is frontal lobe syndrome though, I think as 911 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:11,480 it's called is a thing where frontal lobe injuries do cause some behavioral changes, 912 00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,080 particularly like aggression and stuff like that. 913 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:18,280 I guess you know that with head injuries and football, that what do you call it? 914 00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:19,280 Yeah. 915 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,480 Like the thing, PDI stuff. 916 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:22,480 Yeah. 917 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:23,480 Yeah. 918 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:24,480 Yeah. 919 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:25,480 Yeah. 920 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:26,480 So, okay. 921 00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:27,480 So, yeah. 922 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:33,440 I mean, I guess I just didn't feel like, well, for whatever reason, we know he's dangerous. 923 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:34,440 He's got a gun. 924 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:35,440 Right. 925 00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,440 He was already in a correctional facility for violence. 926 00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:39,440 He shot Tobias. 927 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:40,440 Yeah. 928 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,920 So, you know, didn't seem like a big reveal. 929 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:48,400 What I did think was important for the plot is that this, that Dwayne mentions, oh, the 930 00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,480 government knows they work together. 931 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:54,240 There's a secret corporation where they're collaborating with the aliens. 932 00:41:54,240 --> 00:41:59,000 And I think this is one of the first times in the X files that that is explicitly laid 933 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:00,000 out. 934 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,000 Interesting. 935 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:02,000 Yeah. 936 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:08,120 And he says, and this is going to be important to you, Helen, not at the moment, but for 937 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:09,120 next week. 938 00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:10,120 Okay. 939 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:13,120 He's like, I need to go back to where it first started. 940 00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:14,120 A mountain. 941 00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:15,120 Up, up. 942 00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,120 Ascending to the stars. 943 00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:18,120 Oh, yeah. 944 00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:19,120 Yes. 945 00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:20,120 Yeah. 946 00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,120 So, listeners, remember that line. 947 00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,120 Ascending to the stars. 948 00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:25,560 Ascending to the stars. 949 00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:31,600 And so, Dwayne also tells him that they put these tracking devices in my gums and my sinuses 950 00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,640 and in my navel. 951 00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:37,640 And yeah, indeed. 952 00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,640 And so, Mulder gets Dwayne to let the women go. 953 00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,480 And Scully's like, well, if you got to get them, let them to get everybody go. 954 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:45,480 This is a countdown. 955 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,600 They're coming in with guns soon. 956 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:48,600 Okay. 957 00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:53,120 And so, Mulder's like, hey, when you let the women go, you left the door unlocked. 958 00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:57,200 Can you, can you go over there and lock it? 959 00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,640 And so, he wanders over to go lock the door. 960 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,040 And then he sees the red dot on his chest. 961 00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:04,040 Oh. 962 00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,040 And he gets shot. 963 00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:07,040 Oh, wow. 964 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,040 And so, I didn't remember that he got shot. 965 00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:10,040 Like that's how this... 966 00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:11,040 Don't be either. 967 00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:12,040 Wrapped up. 968 00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:13,040 Well, sort of wrapped up. 969 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:14,040 Yeah. 970 00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,520 So, he's taken it away in the ambulance. 971 00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,040 Mulder and Scully are together outside. 972 00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,520 It felt like the end of the episode. 973 00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:25,400 And Scully's like, assuring Mulder, look, you did the right thing. 974 00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,440 And Mulder clearly felt conflicted about it because a few minutes earlier, it seemed 975 00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,800 like he tried to keep them away from the window. 976 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:32,320 So, it was unclear. 977 00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:33,320 Okay. 978 00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:38,440 And then another day, he's called to the hospital where Dwayne is stable, but fell out of it. 979 00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,800 And the hostage lady in charge woman is there. 980 00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,640 And she's like, she basically calls Mulder in. 981 00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:49,520 Again, this felt like this meeting could have been a phone call. 982 00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:54,760 She's like, oh, so I just wanted to let you know that we did X-rays. 983 00:43:54,760 --> 00:44:00,920 And the X-rays showed metal in his gums and his sinus cavity and his navel, which is just 984 00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,360 where Dwayne said that this truckers would be. 985 00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:04,360 Yeah. 986 00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:05,360 I mean, I don't know. 987 00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,480 I might want to talk to that person in person. 988 00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:08,980 Okay, fair enough. 989 00:44:08,980 --> 00:44:09,980 Fair enough. 990 00:44:09,980 --> 00:44:14,520 And actually, now that I say that, I guess I took one of them out and I gave it to Mulder 991 00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,880 in a little jar. 992 00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,040 And so she's like, I would not want that thing. 993 00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:22,440 Like where are you going to leave that? 994 00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,800 Like you want the aliens finding you at work or at your house? 995 00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,400 Like where are you going to put the little tracker? 996 00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,960 If you're Mulder, of course you want that thing. 997 00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,920 He makes very poor choices with respect to aliens. 998 00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:35,480 Very different choices than you and I. 999 00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:40,440 Because what if we established one of us would do, most likely you, because you do archaeology, 1000 00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,680 what would you do if we found an alien? 1001 00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:46,360 Yes, we actually, me and you and our friend Amanda discussed this, didn't we? 1002 00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,880 And what if we decided? 1003 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:54,440 I would rebury it and do nothing until no one and pretend nothing ever happened. 1004 00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:55,440 Right? 1005 00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:56,440 Exactly. 1006 00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:57,440 Yup. 1007 00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:58,440 Yup. 1008 00:44:58,440 --> 00:44:59,440 Yeah, so we clearly have... 1009 00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:03,640 For all we know, listen there's hell in this scene, dozens of aliens. 1010 00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:05,640 It's just not telling us. 1011 00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:10,320 Yeah, whenever people always ask like, what's the most interesting thing you found on a 1012 00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:11,320 dig? 1013 00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:16,520 Like, oh, you know, old coins, half decomposed alien body. 1014 00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:17,520 Yeah. 1015 00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:21,400 Like, the most interesting thing that I'm allowed to tell you. 1016 00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:22,400 Yeah. 1017 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:23,400 Yeah. 1018 00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:27,160 So yeah, Mulder, some priorities. 1019 00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:33,040 So he brings it to Scully and is like, look, it's a metal from inside Wing Merry. 1020 00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,640 Brings it to Scully? 1021 00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:36,760 I didn't remember that. 1022 00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:37,760 And... 1023 00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:38,760 Okay, keep going. 1024 00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:42,160 Mulder's like, I think he's telling the truth and Scully's like, I'm going to bring it to 1025 00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:43,440 symbolistic people. 1026 00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,920 I think that it's shrapnel because he was a bat. 1027 00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:46,920 Okay. 1028 00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:47,920 So he was shot. 1029 00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,440 You know, we know he was shot at some point. 1030 00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:51,440 That's how he got that injury. 1031 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:52,600 He wasn't working on the railroad. 1032 00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:53,600 That was Gage. 1033 00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:54,600 Right. 1034 00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:55,600 So she got it. 1035 00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:56,600 Yeah. 1036 00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:57,600 Yeah. 1037 00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:02,040 So she brings it to, I don't know, a lab with equipment in one of those, let's just get 1038 00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:03,600 some equipment there, sort of ways. 1039 00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:09,960 And they put it under a microscope and they zoom in and they can see it is a barcode that 1040 00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:14,000 is only 10 microns wide. 1041 00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:19,360 Whereas if you don't know what a micron is, it is one one thousandth of a millimeter. 1042 00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:20,640 I know we don't do metric. 1043 00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:24,400 If you don't know what a millimeter is, it's real tiny, real small. 1044 00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:25,400 Yeah. 1045 00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:26,400 Real small. 1046 00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:27,400 Yeah. 1047 00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:28,400 Yeah. 1048 00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:37,160 I would say the width of a fingernail is about a centimeter or maybe like a little more 1049 00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:42,720 and then cut that by 10 and that's a millimeter and then cut that by 1000. 1050 00:46:42,720 --> 00:46:43,720 Yeah. 1051 00:46:43,720 --> 00:46:46,680 So very teeny tiny barcode. 1052 00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:48,720 Definitely not something they were making in the 90s. 1053 00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:54,800 It kind of reminded me of the projects that our students do with electron microscopes. 1054 00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:55,800 Oh. 1055 00:46:55,800 --> 00:47:02,240 Where they'll like make like a teeny tiny like 50 microns wide UW-Pletzel logo or whatever. 1056 00:47:02,240 --> 00:47:05,240 So like, you know, nowadays feasible. 1057 00:47:05,240 --> 00:47:06,240 Yeah. 1058 00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:11,680 But not then and it certainly shouldn't have been inside Wayne Berry's jaw or nasal cavity 1059 00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,080 or whatever. 1060 00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,200 So Scully goes to the grocery store. 1061 00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:22,400 If you're interested, she buys a whole bunch of food and writes a paper check for $11 and 1062 00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:23,400 the 14 cents. 1063 00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,520 So that was interesting and neat. 1064 00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:27,520 The pressing. 1065 00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:31,440 Yeah, that's probably the word. 1066 00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:35,920 And she's like, she looks at the scanner and the cashier has to step away. 1067 00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:40,200 So she just goes for it and she scans the little thing on the scanner to grocery store. 1068 00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:41,840 Do you remember that? 1069 00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:42,840 That's right. 1070 00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:43,840 Yeah. 1071 00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:49,360 So like the machine goes crazy and it's showing some crazy long number sequence and Scully 1072 00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,600 is like, oh, I don't know what happened. 1073 00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:57,320 So then we see Dwayne waking up suddenly in the hospital and we get that flinky creepy 1074 00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:58,820 music that they do. 1075 00:47:58,820 --> 00:48:04,640 I think for the first time in squeeze that like flinky violin music. 1076 00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:05,640 Yeah. 1077 00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:06,640 Yeah. 1078 00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:07,840 Like tempted to imitate but. 1079 00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:08,840 I'm familiar. 1080 00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:09,840 No. 1081 00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:10,840 Yeah. 1082 00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:16,680 So he looks through the curtains in the hospital and he sees aliens looking at him. 1083 00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:22,380 And so he gets up, he grabs the fire extinguisher, he knocks out the guard, he runs out of there 1084 00:48:22,380 --> 00:48:25,160 and then Scully calls Mulder. 1085 00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:26,160 She's in her house. 1086 00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:30,960 She's leaving Mulder answering machine message and she's like clearly afraid sounding. 1087 00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:32,840 She's like, what the hell is this thing? 1088 00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:38,520 It's like almost like somebody was using it to catalog him. 1089 00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:43,040 And then we see Dwayne Berry looking through her window and he puts in and the last thing 1090 00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:46,960 you hear is Scully yelling from Mulder to help her because she's still on the phone 1091 00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:47,960 with them. 1092 00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,040 So Mulder's going to get that answering machine message. 1093 00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:52,040 Oh man. 1094 00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:55,000 And that is where we leave off. 1095 00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:56,000 Oh, geez. 1096 00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:57,000 Yeah. 1097 00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:01,760 Oh, I'm so glad I never watched these when they aired. 1098 00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,760 I would have been so pissed after. 1099 00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:05,760 Oh my God. 1100 00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:06,760 Oh God. 1101 00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:07,760 Yeah. 1102 00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:13,920 I mean, we had to wait sort of somewhat in that, you know, we had to buy the DVDs online 1103 00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:17,480 and we didn't have all the seasons and sometimes we'd just watch them on TV and have to wait 1104 00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,280 until the next night, but it was never waiting a full week. 1105 00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:21,280 Yeah. 1106 00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,320 I thought you meant you were glad you didn't watch it when it first aired because you were 1107 00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,920 six and it would have been really scary. 1108 00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:29,600 I mean that too. 1109 00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:30,600 Yeah. 1110 00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:31,600 Yeah. 1111 00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:32,600 Oh gosh. 1112 00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:33,840 Hugo just turned six. 1113 00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:34,840 Oh no. 1114 00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:35,840 It'd be so traumatized. 1115 00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:37,840 It'd be so traumatized. 1116 00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:39,840 Oh my God. 1117 00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:40,840 Oh. 1118 00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:41,840 Yeah. 1119 00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:43,840 Even William was nine. 1120 00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:51,480 He like, he talks a big game, but then we were, where were we? 1121 00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:57,800 I think we were in Walmart or Target or something getting stuff for Hugo's birthday party and 1122 00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:04,240 there was a bunch of Halloween stuff and William goes, I like the candy, but I don't like Halloween. 1123 00:50:04,240 --> 00:50:05,960 And I was like, why? 1124 00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:06,960 And he's like, it's so scary. 1125 00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:07,960 And I was like, oh. 1126 00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:08,960 Oh gosh. 1127 00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:09,960 Yeah. 1128 00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:10,960 I love to complain. 1129 00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:12,960 Oh, I could watch that. 1130 00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:14,960 No, that wouldn't be scary for me. 1131 00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:15,960 Yeah. 1132 00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:16,960 No. 1133 00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:20,360 You can't watch the Jason movies or whatever I was talking about. 1134 00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:21,360 Yeah. 1135 00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:22,360 Yeah. 1136 00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:23,360 Yeah. 1137 00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,160 I can see this absolutely terrifying him. 1138 00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:26,160 Yeah. 1139 00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:27,160 Yeah. 1140 00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:28,160 Yeah. 1141 00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,160 So that's when we're right. 1142 00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:31,160 Yeah. 1143 00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:32,160 I think I'm, I don't know. 1144 00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:35,600 I think we'll see if I end up watching it before Ascension. 1145 00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:36,600 Yeah. 1146 00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:38,960 I mean, I feel pretty caught up by this. 1147 00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:39,960 So I might just watch Ascension. 1148 00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:40,960 I think that's fair. 1149 00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:41,960 Yeah. 1150 00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:42,960 Yeah. 1151 00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:48,840 And I mean, like, you can just tell from the name, Ascension, not going to be good given 1152 00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:49,840 the topic. 1153 00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:50,840 No. 1154 00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:52,840 This is not a case where we want to ascend. 1155 00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:53,840 No. 1156 00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:54,840 No. 1157 00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:55,840 I really do. 1158 00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:57,320 I mean, airplanes, but. 1159 00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:03,320 You have a story in the show Taskmaster and. 1160 00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:04,320 Oh, right. 1161 00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,320 It's really, really funny. 1162 00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,280 I have a login I could give you. 1163 00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:12,000 Just you, not all our listeners. 1164 00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:17,880 And because you can also watch some on YouTube, but one of the comics was on there, because 1165 00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:19,680 it's a funny game show. 1166 00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,880 And one of them was on there and he was in the Guinness Book of World Records for doing 1167 00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:28,840 the highest comedy performance, highest standup comedy, because he once did a standup comedy 1168 00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:32,520 act on a plane in order to get into the Guinness Book of World Records. 1169 00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:33,520 So wow. 1170 00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:34,520 Oh, that's funny. 1171 00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:35,520 What is your story? 1172 00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,520 I do have a story though. 1173 00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:39,520 Okay. 1174 00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:42,520 So I watched this episode yesterday. 1175 00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:43,520 Right. 1176 00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:48,800 And this is going to be like a story within a story because I'll tell you what happened 1177 00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:53,040 and then I'll have to tell you probably you might remember it, but I'll tell everyone 1178 00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:57,560 a second story about why this scared me so much, even though it's kind of ridiculous. 1179 00:51:57,560 --> 00:51:58,560 So okay. 1180 00:51:58,560 --> 00:51:59,560 Okay. 1181 00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:00,560 I went to sleep. 1182 00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:01,560 Yep. 1183 00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:05,960 As per usual, no particular thoughts about whether or not I'm a sentient liquid. 1184 00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:07,560 And then I'm having a dream. 1185 00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:12,200 I don't even remember the dream, but I know I was dreaming and in my dream there was a 1186 00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:13,920 beep beep beep beep beep. 1187 00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:14,920 Okay. 1188 00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:15,920 I'm like that. 1189 00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:16,920 And that was it. 1190 00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:23,840 And then I like suddenly was lucid dreaming and I realized, oh, I just heard beeps. 1191 00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:24,840 Was that real life? 1192 00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:30,640 And I like woke myself up and I was like, did I hear beeping? 1193 00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:31,640 Was there beeping? 1194 00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,920 And so I looked at my cell phone to see if there was like, I don't know, like an Amber 1195 00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:35,920 alert or something. 1196 00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:40,440 I'm like, you know, there's no signs of beeping on my phone. 1197 00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:45,640 And that's when I remembered our father's story about beeping in the night. 1198 00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:46,640 The back lights. 1199 00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:48,200 No, no, not the back lights. 1200 00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:49,880 It was one of your kids. 1201 00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,360 He, I don't know this. 1202 00:52:52,360 --> 00:53:00,200 Well, I mean, it doesn't end up sounding especially scary, but he'd be asleep and he'd hear this 1203 00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:07,040 beeping and he thought to himself in a very blasé way while half asleep that he was being 1204 00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:08,560 abducted by aliens. 1205 00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:13,920 And that was the sound that they used to erase his memory of having been abducted. 1206 00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,440 Oh, God. 1207 00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:17,440 That's creepy. 1208 00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:22,440 So he just would be half asleep and be like, oh, that's them doing the erasing again when 1209 00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:26,040 he would hear that like, yeah. 1210 00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,880 And that's like all he remembered, but that's what he would think. 1211 00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:32,440 And then he'd wake up, go about his day later and not really think about it. 1212 00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,360 And then he'd hear it again the next night and he'd think that's what it was. 1213 00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:36,360 Oh, my God. 1214 00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:40,560 And so eventually it turned out to be like either a clock radio or a watch alarm somewhere 1215 00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:46,560 else in the house that was set for a particular time in the middle of the night. 1216 00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:47,560 Oh, God. 1217 00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:49,240 At least in theory. 1218 00:53:49,240 --> 00:53:55,120 So last night I hear a beeping sound possibly in real life, possibly in my dreams. 1219 00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:59,840 And I look at the clock and it was like 245 and I was like, oh, what if that was them 1220 00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:00,840 erasing my brain? 1221 00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,760 What if they looked at my teeth? 1222 00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:07,360 And it was very, very scary. 1223 00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,520 And I was like, at least it's content for the podcast. 1224 00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:14,280 So that's my listener story. 1225 00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:16,640 You don't know what it was. 1226 00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:17,640 Nope. 1227 00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:18,640 Nope. 1228 00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:20,720 Adam doesn't remember if he slipped through it. 1229 00:54:20,720 --> 00:54:22,640 His phone didn't do anything weird. 1230 00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:27,040 I can't think of anything in my house that would make that particular beeping noise because 1231 00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:31,800 we have plenty of things that might beep, but it wasn't our smoke detector or anything. 1232 00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:35,440 It wasn't like we're bed-dreaming on something. 1233 00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:38,080 All of our listeners have heard my smoke detector. 1234 00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:42,080 It kept going off in one episode and I couldn't turn it on. 1235 00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:45,400 No, it was nothing batteries dying. 1236 00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,640 And it also started very close to my head. 1237 00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:52,680 So I thought it was my cell phone, but it was not. 1238 00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:57,080 I have a similar, though very, very different story. 1239 00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:58,080 All right. 1240 00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:02,080 Or I should say similar story, very different ending. 1241 00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:08,400 Is that I woke up from a terrifying noise the other night. 1242 00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,120 I fall asleep listening. 1243 00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:15,400 So I found these two podcasts and I can't find them anymore. 1244 00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:25,120 I tried recently on my friend Cynthia's phone, but somehow I got access to the official book 1245 00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:30,320 recordings of Harry Potter, all the Harry Potters and All the Lord of the Rings. 1246 00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:34,120 So it's like the audio books, like the good. 1247 00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:35,120 Did you buy them? 1248 00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:36,120 No, I didn't. 1249 00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:39,720 They were because they were made, they were a podcast. 1250 00:55:39,720 --> 00:55:42,160 Like someone uploaded them as a podcast. 1251 00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:43,160 Oh. 1252 00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:49,280 And now the title to them reads on my phone, this RSS has been deleted. 1253 00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:53,440 Like both of them say like so clearly they were found out, but I'm, I'm they're still 1254 00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:55,240 on my phone. 1255 00:55:55,240 --> 00:55:56,240 Okay. 1256 00:55:56,240 --> 00:55:58,680 And so I was able to come find you. 1257 00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:00,960 You're hearing these tables. 1258 00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:03,200 I'm not the one who did the illegal uploading. 1259 00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:06,880 I'm just benefiting. 1260 00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:10,760 And so I fall asleep listening to either Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings pretty much every 1261 00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:11,760 night. 1262 00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:16,400 And see in last week's podcast, you were telling me about some podcasts that you listen to. 1263 00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:17,400 Oh yeah. 1264 00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,520 This podcast about or boring stories for bedtime or something. 1265 00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:21,520 Yes. 1266 00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:22,520 Boring books for bedtime. 1267 00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:23,520 Yeah. 1268 00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:26,560 But anyway, you mostly do Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings. 1269 00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:27,560 Okay. 1270 00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:34,040 And I woke up to this like terrifying growling like angry noise. 1271 00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:41,000 And it freaked me out so bad, but it was the voice of the Ents and Lord of the Rings. 1272 00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:42,000 Oh. 1273 00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:43,000 Talking to Pippin and Mary. 1274 00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:44,000 Oh, how nice. 1275 00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:47,000 I don't know why they, I don't know. 1276 00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:48,000 Gatsby. 1277 00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:51,000 No, no, it was an Ent. 1278 00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:52,000 Oh. 1279 00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:56,160 But it was real scary, real like way louder. 1280 00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:57,760 It's talking scary. 1281 00:56:57,760 --> 00:56:58,760 I don't know. 1282 00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:04,240 Well, I mean, when you're asleep and it's right in your ear, like, and it's a big difference, 1283 00:57:04,240 --> 00:57:07,880 you know, you think I'm not going to try to do an Ent voice. 1284 00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:12,280 But if you, if you're sure, are you sure you shouldn't do an Ent voice? 1285 00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:14,360 I can't even, I don't even know where to start. 1286 00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:16,400 I would try if I could. 1287 00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:18,040 I don't even know what they say. 1288 00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:19,960 I'm trying again. 1289 00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,440 You are quite small. 1290 00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:23,440 I don't know. 1291 00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:24,880 Whatever it is that, that's nice. 1292 00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:26,360 Gbeard says, thank you. 1293 00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:27,360 Yeah. 1294 00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:28,360 Yeah. 1295 00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:32,080 So like, there was significant volume to it, which was part of the problem. 1296 00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:33,080 Yeah, that is startling. 1297 00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:37,760 Oh, and they are going into the fact that occasionally we're secretly a Lord of the Rings podcast. 1298 00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,880 So, that's right. 1299 00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:41,880 Yeah. 1300 00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:42,880 Okay. 1301 00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:43,880 Cool. 1302 00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:44,880 Yeah. 1303 00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:47,520 So that was my, you know, you know what I want to say quick too. 1304 00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:52,920 I don't want to just drop the thing about our dad hearing bagpipes and then not, not 1305 00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:55,320 finish that. 1306 00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:56,320 Was it the bagpipes? 1307 00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:57,320 No, it was the bagpipes. 1308 00:57:57,320 --> 00:57:58,320 Different incident. 1309 00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:00,480 Moving right along. 1310 00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:01,480 Yeah. 1311 00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:11,600 It was a side effect of COVID that like he didn't have any taste or olfactory issues, 1312 00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:16,720 but he heard a ringing in his ears that sounded like bagpipe music was playing. 1313 00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:18,360 In the middle of the night. 1314 00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:20,720 He'd get up at the point for the piper. 1315 00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:23,920 But he sometimes sounded like the church organ too. 1316 00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:27,920 Like, and sometimes it's like the Phantom of the Opera. 1317 00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:28,920 Clearly. 1318 00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:31,720 I mean, in that he played an organ. 1319 00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:34,040 The organ wasn't a phantom though. 1320 00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:38,440 I mean, my understanding is that the organ is real. 1321 00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:42,240 I mean, actually my understanding is that the phantom is real. 1322 00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:43,240 Yeah. 1323 00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:45,760 He's just a man who hides and wears a mask, right? 1324 00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:46,760 Right. 1325 00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:47,760 Yes. 1326 00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:48,760 Okay. 1327 00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:49,760 Yeah. 1328 00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:50,760 I think that's enough. 1329 00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:51,760 Yeah. 1330 00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:52,760 That's probably enough for today. 1331 00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:53,760 I don't know. 1332 00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:54,760 Yeah. 1333 00:58:54,760 --> 00:59:06,760 I have not seen phantoms, but I guess an organ is scarier than bagpipes. 1334 00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:07,760 Is it? 1335 00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:08,760 Yeah. 1336 00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:09,760 Yeah. 1337 00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:10,760 I don't know. 1338 00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:11,760 Yeah. 1339 00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:14,720 I would say so. 1340 00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:19,360 I feel very, very strongly that that's the case. 1341 00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:23,840 I feel like they're equally scary when you hear them in the middle of the night out of 1342 00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:25,000 nowhere. 1343 00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:30,120 I disagree because bagpipes could mean anything. 1344 00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:32,240 It could mean a celebration. 1345 00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:33,240 No. 1346 00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:34,240 No. 1347 00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:37,360 Bagpipes could mean anything. 1348 00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:39,360 That's just not the statement. 1349 00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:40,360 Okay. 1350 00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:43,920 Bagpipes could mean a variety of things. 1351 00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:49,160 Like, you know, like the last time I heard bagpipes was when I was in Ireland for my 1352 00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:52,080 brother-in-law's and sister-in-law's wedding. 1353 00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:56,640 So like, those were very nice bagpipes. 1354 00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:57,640 Yeah. 1355 00:59:57,640 --> 00:59:59,920 I guess the most, I've heard bagpipes recently. 1356 00:59:59,920 --> 01:00:05,160 I've been irritated because in Edinburgh they have bagpipe street performers and they 1357 01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:09,920 just play like the same songs, like same one or two songs over and over and it was like 1358 01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:10,920 super crowded. 1359 01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,640 Now it's just like, oh, bagpipes are too loud. 1360 01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:18,920 But I guess I would argue that any mystery music you hear in the night, it doesn't have 1361 01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:22,040 any source. 1362 01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:23,960 Therefore it couldn't mean anything. 1363 01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:27,760 It could specifically mean one thing, which is I don't know, ghost? 1364 01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:28,760 Ghost instrument? 1365 01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:29,760 No. 1366 01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:30,760 I don't know. 1367 01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:33,760 I mean, someone walking past your house with bagpipes. 1368 01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:40,440 That's a really good point because no one is walking by with a church organ. 1369 01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:41,440 All right. 1370 01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:42,440 Okay. 1371 01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:43,440 I will figure that. 1372 01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:44,440 Bagpipes are way more affordable. 1373 01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:45,440 Okay. 1374 01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:46,440 Yeah. 1375 01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:47,440 Yeah. 1376 01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:53,160 I feel like we need to be an actual corporeal hyper than a phantom. 1377 01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:54,160 Yeah. 1378 01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:56,160 Are you thinking about how to pronounce corporeal? 1379 01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:58,160 No, no, I knew that. 1380 01:00:58,160 --> 01:00:59,160 Oh, okay. 1381 01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:05,960 I was just thinking about corporeal instruments again and about the, because I was saying 1382 01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:09,360 how in the phantom of the opera, I was pretty sure that the organ was real. 1383 01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:11,840 Oh, yes, it is. 1384 01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:15,040 But yeah, apparently a symptom of COVID. 1385 01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:16,040 Wow. 1386 01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:17,040 Yeah. 1387 01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:25,560 Well, send us your story and great review, subscribe, and next week, Ascension. 1388 01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:26,560 Yeah. 1389 01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:31,720 Yeah, you should subscribe because I will feel happy. 1390 01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:33,680 I don't know. 1391 01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:34,680 That kind of trailed off. 1392 01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:36,680 I've been a lot less to be sad. 1393 01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:38,560 No, no, don't. 1394 01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:45,600 So yeah, subscribe and then, yeah, great and review because I also feel happy. 1395 01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:46,600 Yep. 1396 01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:54,080 Let us know if you have opinions on which instruments are scariest or anything else. 1397 01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:55,080 All right. 1398 01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:56,080 Bye. 1399 01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:57,080 All right. 1400 01:01:57,080 --> 01:01:58,080 Bye. 1401 01:01:58,080 --> 01:01:59,080 Bye. 1402 01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:00,080 Bye. 1403 01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:01,080 Bye. 1404 01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:02,080 Bye. 1405 01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:03,080 Bye. 1406 01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:04,080 Bye. 1407 01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:05,080 Bye. 1408 01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:06,080 Bye. 1409 01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:07,080 Bye. 1410 01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:08,080 Bye. 1411 01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:09,080 Bye. 1412 01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:10,080 Bye. 1413 01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:11,080 Bye. 1414 01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:12,080 Bye. 1415 01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:13,080 Bye. 1416 01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:14,080 Bye. 1417 01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:15,080 Bye. 1418 01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:16,080 Bye.