1 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:43,900 Well, hello everyone and welcome to episode 10 of season three of the Poggle podcast. 2 00:00:43,900 --> 00:00:47,520 My name is Wayne Pearson and with me today is Siobhan Julian. 3 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:48,520 Hello Siobhan. 4 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:50,520 Hello Wayne. 5 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:52,720 What's in store for our listeners today? 6 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:58,240 So as we are wrapping up this series, we're, this whole series, we've really been focused 7 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:02,280 on facilitation of Poggle, trying to talk about different strategies and techniques 8 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,880 that will help our listeners improve their practice. 9 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:10,000 And we're veering a little bit away from that today, but not too much. 10 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:16,000 We thought we'd cap this off by talking about how you can get involved in the Poggle project, 11 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,640 because Poggle is not just this random group of people. 12 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:24,440 Wayne and I didn't just randomly decide to film these episodes and put them on the air. 13 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:27,600 There's an actual organization behind this. 14 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:32,240 And I think everyone that's here today will say that because they've been involved in 15 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:36,760 the Poggle project, their Poggle practice has improved, like the facilitation of it. 16 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:37,760 They learn things. 17 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:41,520 We learn things from our Poggle colleagues and that makes us better teachers. 18 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:45,240 That makes us more confident when we're facilitating these activities. 19 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:51,040 So we wanted to share with our lovely listeners some ways that they can get involved with 20 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:55,000 the Poggle project if they are looking to do so. 21 00:01:55,000 --> 00:02:00,080 So with us today are Joyce Easter and Tim Herzog to talk about ways to get involved 22 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,040 with the Poggle project. 23 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,240 Joyce has been on the podcast before. 24 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:09,040 She is a professor of chemistry and biochemistry at Virginia Wesleyan University in Virginia 25 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:10,280 Beach. 26 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:15,640 And Tim is a professor of chemistry at Weber State University in Ogden, Utah. 27 00:02:15,640 --> 00:02:18,680 Welcome both of you today to the Poggle podcast. 28 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:19,680 Thank you. 29 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:20,680 Thanks. 30 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,160 We are so happy to have you here. 31 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:28,200 So again, we're talking today about ways to get involved with the project. 32 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:31,800 And the first thing we want to go over is just what are some of these opportunities? 33 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:35,080 What are some of these inroads? 34 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:40,400 So Wayne, what are some of these opportunities that our listeners can get involved in the 35 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:41,400 project? 36 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:42,400 Okay. 37 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:46,880 Well, we're going to dig into the specifics, but I've always seen it as the participation 38 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:49,400 is a two-way street with the project. 39 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:53,760 There are offerings that the project provides to practitioners and that's certainly a way 40 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:54,760 to be engaged. 41 00:02:54,760 --> 00:03:01,040 These could be E-Series or workshops, NCAP, podcasts, if I can say that. 42 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:04,880 But there are also opportunities for folks to work for the project. 43 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:10,560 So there are working groups, there's activity writing, there are a variety of ways that 44 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,160 you can help the project go forward. 45 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,560 And we'll talk a lot about the specific items. 46 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:16,560 Yep. 47 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:19,320 So the specific item really is sort of what level you're interested in getting involved 48 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:23,680 at, whether it's just learning more or if you're interested in actively helping the 49 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:24,680 project out. 50 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:29,200 Once we know that, then it's like, okay, how did we get involved? 51 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:33,000 Because again, we're not just random people who were summoned here. 52 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,920 There is something that drew us here. 53 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,000 So I'll start with Tim. 54 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:42,480 What prompted you to get involved with the Pogo Project? 55 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:49,200 The summer before I started my full-time teaching job, I was at a regional meeting and there 56 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:52,360 was a workshop there that I didn't know what it meant. 57 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:57,000 It said the word Pogo in it, but it talked about active learning and the description. 58 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:58,640 And I said, oh, I'm going to go try that. 59 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:03,760 And so I started, I met Andres Stramanis, who led that meeting. 60 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:07,560 And immediately afterwards, we went out to lunch and I said, all right, how can I do 61 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:13,200 this in my class, because that's the way I want my classes to be. 62 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:16,960 And from there, I went to a couple of summer workshops. 63 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:22,600 I was lucky enough to be on the first facilitator training workshop and became a workshop facilitator 64 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,240 and started going to Pogo National Meeting. 65 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:31,520 And it really just built a community of my professional and personal colleagues and friends 66 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:33,080 through working with Pogo. 67 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:35,040 And it's really been super important to me. 68 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:36,040 I love that. 69 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:37,040 Thank you. 70 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,720 And Joyce, so what caused you to want to be involved in this? 71 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:45,240 So for me, it's kind of a long meandering journey. 72 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:49,880 When I decided to become an educator, I made a commitment to be part of the solution and 73 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:54,140 not part of the problems that exist in the education system. 74 00:04:54,140 --> 00:04:57,700 So early in my career, I attended several workshops and conferences that focused on 75 00:04:57,700 --> 00:05:00,780 evidence-based strategies to improve student learning. 76 00:05:00,780 --> 00:05:06,200 So I was exposed to Pogo before it was actually Pogo when it was guided in green learning. 77 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:10,320 And so I attended some workshops where I learned about it. 78 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:15,080 I started using it in some of my classes in place of a few lectures. 79 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:19,960 And then I started attending the Pogo workshops a few years later when it became Pogo. 80 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,560 And one of those workshops was a workshop that was for advanced writing. 81 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:28,640 It wasn't called that at the time, but as things evolved. 82 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:33,520 But at that workshop, I collaborated with five other biochemists and we all wrote activities. 83 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:40,920 So we paired up and we left with three activities that we had written through that collaboration. 84 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:43,280 And they were the first three classes for the fall semester. 85 00:05:43,280 --> 00:05:46,080 So I was able to get really engaged in that. 86 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:49,400 And then I wrote activities for the rest of the semester for my class because it worked 87 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:51,400 so well in my class. 88 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:55,720 So that was my first real experience with productive networking and working with a team 89 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:59,640 of colleagues across the country. 90 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:05,880 And then I periodically searched out other opportunities to hone my skills and become 91 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:07,880 better and expand my network. 92 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:12,080 And a few years later, I decided to participate in the Pogo national meeting. 93 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,720 And that's where I got really involved. 94 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:20,680 And then a few months after that, I went to my facilitator training workshop as well. 95 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:25,000 I guess what I realized was that I could improve my own classroom facilitation through some 96 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:28,360 of those activities. 97 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:31,760 But I could also have an impact beyond my students in my department, which again was 98 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:34,720 kind of my goal going into being an educator. 99 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:39,520 So at my first PNM, I was part of a working group that developed the national conference 100 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:41,440 that we now have. 101 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:43,640 And I've been involved in that sense. 102 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:50,000 So since 2015, when that first was an idea in our heads to now serving as the chair. 103 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:54,200 So I would say that that has been the biggest impact in terms of my involvement in the project. 104 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:55,560 I love that. 105 00:06:55,560 --> 00:07:00,960 So we are actually one of the things we'll be talking about today is that national conference, 106 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,480 but we're not going to start there. 107 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:08,120 We're going to start with a little more low key low entry point ways to get involved in 108 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:09,120 the project. 109 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:12,060 And the first one, we have a Facebook page. 110 00:07:12,060 --> 00:07:15,200 So there's a Facebook page for Pogo practitioners. 111 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:18,960 And Tim, what sorts of conversation happens there? 112 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:21,560 And what are the benefits to being a member of that group? 113 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:27,720 Yeah, so the Facebook page actually grew out of one of our working groups in the project. 114 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:34,300 And you know, there's a very wide array of conversations that happen in the from really 115 00:07:34,300 --> 00:07:37,920 personal stuff like, hey, I had a really bad day in my classroom today. 116 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,920 And everybody says, I get it, me too. 117 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:46,040 I know what that's like, you know, and just the community where you can just say, how 118 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,600 you're feeling and how's it going. 119 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:52,700 People talk about their challenges with implementing Pogo in their classroom and they get lots 120 00:07:52,700 --> 00:07:54,040 of great ideas. 121 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:57,640 I've posed questions to the group like, this is what I'm trying to do. 122 00:07:57,640 --> 00:07:58,640 What do you got? 123 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:01,760 And people would come up and give you ideas. 124 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:05,000 And it's a place that we talk about events that are coming up. 125 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:08,000 It's a place where we share all kinds of things. 126 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:12,640 I think, you know, like a lot of online communities, it was a really important thing during the 127 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:19,880 pandemic where people were able to connect with like-minded people and talk about, okay, 128 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:23,440 I teach Pogo, how can I teach Pogo now? 129 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:25,440 What does that look like now? 130 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:32,240 And so I think it's there kind of as a place where we all face challenges together. 131 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:36,520 It's a place where people kind of, you know, get interested in the project and they join 132 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:40,040 the project and Marcy says, welcome this new member. 133 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:43,340 And we all say welcome, nice to meet you and try to get people in, right? 134 00:08:43,340 --> 00:08:47,600 So it's just one of these places, you know, it's like a lot of Facebook groups, but it's 135 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:51,960 probably the least snarky Facebook group that I've been involved in, right? 136 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,160 It's a really positive, it's a positive place. 137 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:57,560 So if there are folks out there who kind of want to learn what the Pogo community is like, 138 00:08:57,560 --> 00:09:01,360 I think it's a great, easy, like you said, low entry way to get in. 139 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:02,360 Yeah, definitely. 140 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:05,360 I think everyone here can speak to that. 141 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:10,480 We are not, we're not terribly snarky there when people are having real conversations. 142 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:14,440 We can certainly joke and laugh and tease one another, but you know, we understand that 143 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:18,200 everyone is worthy of support. 144 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:24,680 So if I can just interject a comment, we are slightly over 800 members now of the Facebook 145 00:09:24,680 --> 00:09:25,680 page. 146 00:09:25,680 --> 00:09:28,440 So I think this is about three years old in that timeframe. 147 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:35,280 So we have grown considerably and the conversations there are just terrific. 148 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:38,680 I also want to say it's a positive place to be too, because it's not just people sharing 149 00:09:38,680 --> 00:09:44,320 challenges or problems that they had, or you know, I had a bad class, things didn't go 150 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:48,880 the way they, you know, I planned, but there's a lot of positive like reinforcement of like, 151 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:51,840 you know, celebrating successes as well. 152 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:57,480 Yeah, I think it's a great place to really just share, you know, the ups and the downs, 153 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:03,960 you know, of this particular type of pedagogy and to get feedback and support about it. 154 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:09,400 I think a lot of POGO practitioners can feel like they're on an island by themselves and 155 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,880 the Facebook page is a way to prove that no, you're not. 156 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:17,920 There's a lot of other people out there who are going through that same thing too. 157 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:22,440 But we have other online options beyond just our Facebook page. 158 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:28,400 And one of them is the E series and Wayne is one of the people in charge of the E series. 159 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:32,120 So I'm going to hand it off to Wayne to talk about what that is, what it covers and how 160 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:34,040 do you sign up for it? 161 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:35,040 Yes. 162 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:38,040 Well, I am very fortunate to be the host of the E series. 163 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:44,640 I think we started around 2017, 2018 with the E series in that timeframe. 164 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:54,000 And it was an opportunity to bring discussions on very focused topics to a group of people 165 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:57,560 and to have it in a POGO type of setting. 166 00:10:57,560 --> 00:11:02,800 So we do it online, but we try to do it as much of a POGO session as possible so that 167 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,000 you'll deal with a particular subject. 168 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:08,320 You'll go into breakout groups, you'll talk about that, you'll come back and report that. 169 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:10,920 So it's a very POGO experience. 170 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:16,480 This season, we have actually been very closely tied to the podcast in that almost everything 171 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:18,880 we've done has involved facilitation. 172 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:22,920 I think we had three in the spring, three in the fall. 173 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:31,600 In the spring, we had tips for increasing diversity in the classroom, for accepting 174 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:37,600 diversity, for we've also had writing for inquiry, how to improve your writing as a 175 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:39,920 facilitator if you choose to do that. 176 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:45,020 And I think our first January E series was just a mini POGO, an introduction to POGO. 177 00:11:45,020 --> 00:11:48,120 So we've been very facilitator oriented. 178 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:52,540 The E series is populated through registration. 179 00:11:52,540 --> 00:11:56,920 We typically advertise our E series on the webpage, www.pogle.org. 180 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:04,360 In fact, all of this information you can find some way or another on our website. 181 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:09,620 But that is generally the way to sign up for an E series. 182 00:12:09,620 --> 00:12:14,640 You would register through the site at pogle.org. 183 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:19,040 And we typically have anywhere from 10 to 25 people. 184 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:24,320 It's a great way to meet other practitioners too, by the way, is to attend an E series. 185 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:25,320 All right. 186 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:26,320 Thank you so much, Wayne. 187 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:31,960 I know for me personally, I haven't attended an E series yet, but you make it sound pretty 188 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,880 good and I think I might be signing up for one next year. 189 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:40,600 Well, so Siobhan, tell us what kind of E series you want and then we'll make sure we get you 190 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:41,600 in. 191 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:42,600 Okay. 192 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,140 I mean, I know you said you were focusing a lot on facilitation this year, but that's 193 00:12:45,140 --> 00:12:50,280 always a big one, especially for high school teachers, especially when we're servicing 194 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:57,880 populations that don't always want to be there doing the activity. 195 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:01,000 Another way to get involved in the project is something that's been in the works for 196 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:05,720 a long time called the Poggle Activity Clearinghouse or the PAC. 197 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:13,880 And this is, I think, a really exciting project in terms of creating or distributing or reading 198 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:20,440 or editing or getting feedback on Poggle activities, like the writing of activities. 199 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:25,640 And Joyce is going to talk to you now about how do we get involved in the PAC? 200 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:26,640 What is it? 201 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:32,680 How do you have access to these activities that aren't the formal published Poggle activities? 202 00:13:32,680 --> 00:13:38,760 So the Poggle Activity Clearinghouse was developed from a Poggle National Meeting Working Group, 203 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:40,520 another example of that. 204 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:47,280 It took many years for that working group to get to the point where we are today. 205 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:50,640 It was an idea and a group of people that said we need to be able to do this, but they 206 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,680 had to develop the technology that would work for it. 207 00:13:53,680 --> 00:13:57,060 So really, there's two main purposes for the PAC. 208 00:13:57,060 --> 00:14:02,200 One is to provide the structure to support authors through the entire process of creating 209 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:08,040 Poggle content from idea generation all the way through peer review and classroom testing 210 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:11,080 and even as far as Poggle approval. 211 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:16,400 And then the second one is not really for the authors themselves, but for the practitioners, 212 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:21,400 to provide instructors access to peer reviewed materials that meet the high standards of 213 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:23,480 the Poggle project. 214 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:31,400 So whether you're an author or not, you can actually get valuable benefits for yourself 215 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:34,480 through being participating in the PAC. 216 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:44,440 So as an author, you could gain a place for you to get ideas, to collaborate with somebody, 217 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:49,360 to have your activities reviewed or even have your activities classroom tested. 218 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:55,200 As a practitioner, you can gain access to those activities or collaborate with somebody 219 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:59,640 who else who's an author, even if you've never authored something before, right? 220 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:03,840 So what happens is whether you're an author or a practitioner, you can become a member 221 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:09,520 of the PAC by completing the collaborative peer review training session. 222 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:12,000 This is offered three or four times a year. 223 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,520 It's in a synchronous virtual format. 224 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:18,480 You have some homework and then you meet together with a group of people virtually and you go 225 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:20,120 through the training. 226 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:23,920 And then once you've completed that training, you have access to the content that has been 227 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:27,760 published in any issue, archived or the current issues. 228 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:32,520 And then you can serve as a peer reviewer and you can submit your own material for review 229 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:34,920 or classroom testing at that point. 230 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:39,280 Personally, I've participated in several of the collaborative peer feedback sessions for 231 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:40,280 authors. 232 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:44,040 So I've gotten multiple activities that have been peer reviewed in a small group with two 233 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:46,520 or three other authors. 234 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:49,520 So we like peer review each other's and then we have a nice little session where we talk 235 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:51,560 about it and you get really valuable feedback. 236 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:58,120 A little bit different than getting just written feedback to be able to talk to the reviewers. 237 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:01,480 So I've received quality feedback from that experience. 238 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:06,180 I've also served as a reviewer, both like I said, in those peer review feedback groups, 239 00:16:06,180 --> 00:16:10,480 but also in a more traditional review session as well, where you get the materials, you 240 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:14,240 review it on your own and then you provide written feedback. 241 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:19,900 I think it's helped me to improve my activities, of course, because you're getting feedback. 242 00:16:19,900 --> 00:16:24,280 But even if you're not offering your own activities, you can benefit from it because they provide 243 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:31,440 you an opportunity to participate in the creation of these high quality content, but also, you 244 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:36,320 know, allow you to be a peer reviewer and provide that feedback. 245 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:40,920 And if you're a reviewer, a class tester, you're learning more about the Poggle pedagogy, 246 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:43,960 the learning cycle, the process skills. 247 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:48,860 So it actually makes you a better facilitator, I think, in the classroom because you're working 248 00:16:48,860 --> 00:16:51,820 through this rubric, is this activity doing this? 249 00:16:51,820 --> 00:16:55,200 Is it inclusive? 250 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:59,880 Do the prompts actually have you work on the process skill that you intend to have them 251 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:00,880 work on? 252 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:01,880 All these things. 253 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:05,640 So it can help you improve as a facilitator as well as an author. 254 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:10,880 So I think it's a really great system that they've developed and I highly recommend it 255 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:14,880 to people whether they're authors or just want to be a reviewer. 256 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:21,640 Yeah, it's a really impressive system that is now in place. 257 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:25,940 And again, if you want to be a reviewer, you've got to go through the training. 258 00:17:25,940 --> 00:17:32,520 But it's like, as Joyce said, it's not a huge thing to become one of the reviewers. 259 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:37,800 And I think just on the most basic level, being able to see Poggle activities in all 260 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:42,880 levels of development is really helpful in understanding, you know, really from the inside 261 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:47,480 out what's going on with the activities, which then helps us understand how to make it work 262 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:50,320 in our classroom. 263 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:55,320 And again, information for all of these you can find on the Poggle website will be including 264 00:17:55,320 --> 00:18:01,400 with this podcast when it goes out. 265 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:10,360 A perhaps less heavy, less serious way that you can get involved with the Poggle podcast 266 00:18:10,360 --> 00:18:16,120 is something new that we've been doing recently, which is the Poggle happy hour. 267 00:18:16,120 --> 00:18:22,920 So instead of getting all serious about reviewing activities, you can, you know, grab a beverage 268 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:28,240 of your choosing and sit and vibe out with us and talk about Poggle. 269 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:31,800 So Wayne, you've been leading some of the Poggle happy hours. 270 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:32,800 How do you sign up? 271 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:33,800 What do we chat about? 272 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:37,240 Yeah, I think I get all the fun jobs. 273 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:41,080 This is an absolutely brand new thing that we're doing that grew out of the networks 274 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:44,240 group in conjunction with the Poggle podcast. 275 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:50,320 We meet, or we have met every first Thursday of the month, and we are planning another 276 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:53,160 one for May coming up. 277 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:58,120 And it's just a very low key kind of event where you come together and you can talk about 278 00:18:58,120 --> 00:18:59,480 whatever you want to talk about. 279 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:04,540 We can set up breakout rooms if you want to talk about something that is Poggle. 280 00:19:04,540 --> 00:19:10,880 If you have a question and you want to talk to some people face to face remotely, then 281 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:11,880 you can do that. 282 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:16,600 Or you can just hang out and have a good time because we don't talk as much as other educators 283 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:17,600 might. 284 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,240 We don't talk as much as lecturers do in the classroom. 285 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:23,160 But when we get together, we sure do like to talk to each other. 286 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:25,800 So it's a real fun time. 287 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,720 So you can sign up a couple of ways. 288 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:33,340 There are emails that go out to a wide swath of the database. 289 00:19:33,340 --> 00:19:37,720 So you probably have been notified at one time or another about the happy hour. 290 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:40,760 But we also advertise on the Facebook page. 291 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:45,720 And I usually tell people if the only reason you are on Facebook is to be on the Poggle 292 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:49,360 practitioners Facebook page, that's enough of a reason. 293 00:19:49,360 --> 00:19:51,600 You could ignore everything else if you want. 294 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,080 But you will get lots of valuable information. 295 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:58,760 And one of those things is a link to sign up for the happy hour. 296 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:02,480 But we're very happy with the way it's been received. 297 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,120 And it's just a very relaxed, fun time. 298 00:20:05,120 --> 00:20:06,120 Yeah. 299 00:20:06,120 --> 00:20:10,040 And Poggle people love to hang out with other Poggle people. 300 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:14,240 But I do want to stress that we also want to hang out with new Poggle people. 301 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:21,440 So if you haven't attended one of these things before, we are so ecstatic to welcome you 302 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:23,340 in. 303 00:20:23,340 --> 00:20:27,460 It is truly a very, very welcoming and open group of people. 304 00:20:27,460 --> 00:20:31,280 We love to hang out with each other, but we would also love to hang out with new people 305 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:37,240 as well and bond over shared interests. 306 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:42,680 All of these things that we've been talking about so far have been online. 307 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:46,320 Poggle practitioners, for the most part, are fairly spread out across the country and across 308 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:47,320 the world. 309 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:52,040 However, we do have a few opportunities to get involved in the project that are face-to-face, 310 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,480 that are actually in person. 311 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:59,280 And the first of which is that national conference that Joyce mentioned at the beginning, the 312 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,120 National Conference to Advance Poggle Practice. 313 00:21:02,120 --> 00:21:04,520 So Joyce, tell us a little bit more about that conference. 314 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:10,240 Yeah, the Poggle Project offers a wide variety of both now virtual and in-person workshops. 315 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:15,000 But for those of you that want something beyond the workshops, you might be interested in 316 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:16,000 NCAP. 317 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:20,200 The National Conference to Advance Poggle Practice was created to serve the population 318 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,640 of already existing Poggle practitioners. 319 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:30,720 As I mentioned earlier, it was created at a Poggle National Meeting from a working group. 320 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:36,560 And since 2017, the conference has been held biannually, typically in the end of June of 321 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:38,420 odd-numbered years. 322 00:21:38,420 --> 00:21:43,840 So the conference provides opportunities for sharing ideas, challenges, and successes that 323 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:48,440 participants have had using Poggle in their classrooms and labs. 324 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:54,760 The format of the conference includes a variety of session types, so all of which are participant-centered. 325 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:59,240 But they range from discussions and conversations to workshops and poster sessions. 326 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:04,480 And then we always bring in a few plenary speakers as well. 327 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:10,200 The conference itself promotes an engaging environment, and within that environment, 328 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:13,720 practitioners can gain insight into effective teaching and facilitation. 329 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:18,320 They can share and find new activities and approaches for the classroom and the laboratory. 330 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,960 They can develop support networks, which we mentioned earlier as being a very important 331 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:25,660 part, and also establish collaborations. 332 00:22:25,660 --> 00:22:31,000 As a participant, I always leave with new ideas for my Poggle activities. 333 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:36,760 I get new strategies for implementation, and I meet new colleagues that are now part of 334 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:37,760 my network. 335 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:42,280 And I have even started collaborative projects from those meetings. 336 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:51,040 So I think it's really important to kind of expand your toolkit of what you have available 337 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:52,280 to you. 338 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:56,680 So I think those who want to develop skills as a practitioner and broaden their participation 339 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:00,520 and their contributions in the Poggle community should definitely consider applying to the 340 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:01,520 NCAP 2025. 341 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:07,440 It's probably a little too late for this year, but we will be sending out notifications in 342 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:12,440 another year for 2025 NCAP. 343 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,560 NCAP was definitely one of my ways into the project. 344 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:20,280 And from after my first time, I immediately went back to my home district. 345 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:25,200 I went back to other local chemistry teachers that I was in a network with, and I almost 346 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:29,240 ran a session saying, here, this is what I learned at NCAP. 347 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,280 And I want to share it with you. 348 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,240 But I also had a lot of fun there, too. 349 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,120 It's a very fun conference. 350 00:23:37,120 --> 00:23:42,800 And something, thank you, Joyce, and something that we've been hearing an awful lot about 351 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:49,720 in this podcast so far that's been mentioned, I think at least five times, are the working 352 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:50,720 groups. 353 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:52,440 We say, oh, this came out of a working group. 354 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,960 This came out of a working group. 355 00:23:54,960 --> 00:24:01,040 So Tim, what are these working groups, and they work together both virtually and in person. 356 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:04,880 So I'm going to have you talk a little bit about both of them, please. 357 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:05,880 Sure. 358 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:12,000 One of the great things about the POGO project is that it has a strategic plan, and it actually 359 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:16,760 works very intentionally toward achieving the goals in that strategic plan. 360 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,560 And the goals of the strategic plan are related to growing the project, reaching out to new 361 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:27,800 people, creating opportunities, working on equity and inclusivity of the project, learning 362 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,360 about what's going on, and then how can we sustain the project. 363 00:24:31,360 --> 00:24:35,120 So the working groups are all really carefully aligned to those. 364 00:24:35,120 --> 00:24:39,720 And the working groups are basically groups of people who are interested in furthering 365 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,040 the project to get together. 366 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:46,840 It kind of is spearheaded around PNM, but the work happens all throughout the year. 367 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:51,840 The working groups are made up of one team leader, Joseph and Joyce and I both have been 368 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:59,240 and are currently team leaders of different groups in the project, and a member from the 369 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:03,600 steering committee, so some kind of central leadership involved in helping guide us and 370 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:08,120 keep us together and looking for connectivity, and then a lot of people who are interested 371 00:25:08,120 --> 00:25:09,120 in working. 372 00:25:09,120 --> 00:25:16,360 And so at PNM, both in person and virtually, we work together on creating our plans, on 373 00:25:16,360 --> 00:25:22,520 figuring out what we want to do, on solving problems, creating opportunities, developing 374 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:28,600 new ideas, pushing the project in ways that it has been before. 375 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:33,320 And those working groups are an incredible way for somebody who's just getting involved 376 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:37,720 with the project to step in and really make a difference. 377 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:41,660 And I think one of the best things about the working groups is you never really build community 378 00:25:41,660 --> 00:25:46,060 as much as you do when you work together with people on a common purpose. 379 00:25:46,060 --> 00:25:49,520 And I believe that the working groups do that better than anything else in the project, 380 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:55,520 that we really, everybody's bought into this idea because the idea was generated and developed 381 00:25:55,520 --> 00:26:00,320 together, the plan is generated and developed together in a collaborative way, and that 382 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:04,800 team gets together and figures out what are we trying to do, and then by solving those 383 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:11,620 problems or working together and generating all kinds of amazing things, we really build 384 00:26:11,620 --> 00:26:16,040 that strong community and you build connections, the connections of people that I've met on 385 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,160 the working groups I've been on are friends of mine for life. 386 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,880 And many of them are in this room with me right now. 387 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:27,720 And obviously all of the people in this room are friends of mine for life because we've 388 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,800 had a chance to work together in different working groups. 389 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:37,600 And I just think that's such a powerful part of the POGO project structure and how work 390 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,040 gets done. 391 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:47,440 Yeah, I remember the first time I heard about PNM was actually at NCAP and someone explained 392 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:48,440 it to me. 393 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:49,760 They said, well, NCAP is a conference. 394 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:55,240 You go to sessions and you learn things and you have some fun and you work together. 395 00:26:55,240 --> 00:27:00,600 I said, but PNM is a working meeting and really the focal point is around those working groups 396 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,660 on doing the work for the project. 397 00:27:03,660 --> 00:27:06,400 But the working groups don't just meet at PNM, right Tim? 398 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:07,400 Yeah, that's right. 399 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:11,520 The working groups work throughout the year. 400 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:17,920 Virtually the we schedule meetings, the working groups that I'm on right now meets once a 401 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,400 month in a virtual setting. 402 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:25,440 And sometimes it's complex to figure out how to do that when you've got people who are 403 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:31,000 teaching high school in California and people who live on the East Coast working together. 404 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,560 But we find a way and are incredibly productive. 405 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:40,200 And I think one of the great things about those working groups is that they really are 406 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,200 really focused and get things done. 407 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:46,520 And I know many times we've been on teams that don't get things done and it's really 408 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:47,520 frustrating. 409 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,920 But I think the working groups, the POGO projects, have really do a great job in that. 410 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:57,680 And so if you want to get involved for people who are listening, if you want to get involved 411 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:02,280 in the work of the project, you can look at the POGO website and see what the working 412 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:03,560 groups are. 413 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:09,360 Several of them say the word continuing group, new members welcome. 414 00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:14,400 And so if you have interest in getting involved, you can just reach out to the project. 415 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:18,760 I think it's POGO at POGO.org is the email address for the project, right? 416 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:24,440 And you can just send an email and say, this is my, this is who I am and I'd like to get 417 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:28,560 involved and, and that opportunity is there. 418 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:34,520 And just to piggyback off of that, Tim really does mean it when he says that new people 419 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,480 come in and have ideas and help us move forward. 420 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:42,520 It's not just the same people getting together and working, it's new, new voices are added. 421 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,520 Sometimes groups are switched up. 422 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:49,720 And the first time I was in a working group, the very first thing, like the very first 423 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:54,460 thing that was made abundantly clear to me was you have purpose here. 424 00:28:54,460 --> 00:28:56,240 We want to hear your voice. 425 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,600 You know, just because you're new doesn't mean you're going to get shunted to the side. 426 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:03,880 You know, you're going to sit shoulder to shoulder and be treated as an equal with people 427 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:05,520 who've been doing this for a long time. 428 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,320 And that's very, very true about the POGO project in general. 429 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:13,000 You know, just cause you haven't been involved before, does not mean that we don't want you 430 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:14,000 there. 431 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:15,320 We very much do. 432 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,520 So that does sound like something you're interested in. 433 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:23,920 We are happy to have you consider some of our working groups. 434 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:32,840 And wrapping this up now, what has not working with POGO, not working with POGO activities 435 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:40,560 in the classroom, but just what is working with the POGO project as a professional community 436 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:48,640 meant to you and why should our listeners want to get more involved with the POGO project? 437 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,720 So Joyce, I'll start with you. 438 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,520 I would say one of the greatest rewards of my involvement with the POGO project is the 439 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,920 inspiration and the support that I gain from participating in this really transformative 440 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,000 community. 441 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:05,640 For me, it's the interactions with the members of the community, as well as the sharing of 442 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,440 our experiences, our expertise, our insights, right? 443 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:09,720 All of those things. 444 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:15,680 But it also, it allows me to also serve the organization, serve the community members 445 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,000 and our students. 446 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,100 That's why I stay involved, right? 447 00:30:19,100 --> 00:30:24,440 With all the demands of my time, I still find time to do my service towards the POGO community 448 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,880 because I think it is so important. 449 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,140 As I mentioned at the beginning, I wanted to have a positive impact on the educational 450 00:30:30,140 --> 00:30:35,720 system and my involvement with the project allows me multiple avenues to do so while 451 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,040 still allowing me to grow as an educator myself. 452 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:45,040 So I'm learning while I'm serving, which I think is an incredible double use of my time. 453 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:46,040 Love that. 454 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:47,040 Thank you so much, Joyce. 455 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:52,520 So Tim, what has your time being involved in the POGO project meant and why should our 456 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,760 listeners want to get more involved? 457 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,480 Well, my answers have a lot in common with Joyce's. 458 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:03,640 I think the first and like kind of the driving force for me in POGO was what it's meant to 459 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:10,960 my students in my classroom and the connections I see them build because of the way that I'm 460 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:15,720 able to teach because of the things I've learned through POGO and the way that they build community 461 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:22,180 and the way they learn and develop all the process skills and everything that helps them 462 00:31:22,180 --> 00:31:25,120 in all their classes and in all their work going forward. 463 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,680 And that's really been important. 464 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,940 The project part of it has been super important too. 465 00:31:30,940 --> 00:31:36,060 Like Joyce said, the ability to feel like I'm making a difference, you know, like getting 466 00:31:36,060 --> 00:31:40,640 involved in workshop kind of things where you get a chance to have that kind of exponential 467 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:47,280 effect where you help an educator educate more people, right, or educate educators, 468 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:54,320 right, this kind of cumulative effect that builds up from people who learn this amazing 469 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:55,320 tool. 470 00:31:55,320 --> 00:32:01,000 And then finally, I think the personal connections for me and the project are really, really 471 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:02,000 meaningful to me. 472 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,280 I mean, there's all this incredible professional development I've been a part in and it's 473 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:09,280 really helped my career in all kinds of ways. 474 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:13,240 But I think for me, it's just these connections that I've formed with and the friendships 475 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:18,920 that I've built and the people that I know I can go to and I trust and, you know, when 476 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:23,240 I need help or support or, you know, like Joyce said earlier, to celebrate accomplishments 477 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:28,840 together and all of that together has just been a really incredibly meaningful professional 478 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:33,500 experience for me. 479 00:32:33,500 --> 00:32:41,160 And if I just might add my experience because I love talking about it so much, but so yeah, 480 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:47,320 for me, my first thing being involved with the project was in NCAP 2017 and then it just 481 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,360 kind of was one event after the other. 482 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:57,600 It was training workshop the next year and then it was NCAP 2019 and then it was PNM 483 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:04,360 and then it was running, being asked to run workshops and it's sort of like I kept on 484 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:09,280 getting more, the more involved with the project, the more I fell in love with it. 485 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:13,320 And then the more the project, you know, kept on looking to me and saying, Hey, we're, we're 486 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:14,320 about this thing. 487 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:15,320 Would you help us with this? 488 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:16,320 Hey, we've got this podcast. 489 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:17,320 Would you like to host? 490 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,120 And I was like, yes. 491 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:20,800 But it's just been so rewarding. 492 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,240 I think for me on a professional level as high school teachers, we don't always get 493 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,960 to be involved in professional organizations. 494 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:32,720 That's not usually the focal point. 495 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:37,660 Our schools often say it's nice if you are, but it's not a requirement. 496 00:33:37,660 --> 00:33:40,480 But the POGAL project has really, I really do. 497 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:49,240 Like you've mentioned, I feel like I've had an impact on, on a very large scale and to 498 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:54,040 advance pedagogy, to work on something that's so cool, but also just to work with some of 499 00:33:54,040 --> 00:34:01,520 the nicest people in the entire world who are so smart and so kind and so supportive. 500 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:06,360 Thank you so much, Tim and Joyce for being here today. 501 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,520 We really appreciate the perspectives that you brought. 502 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,920 So just thank you so much for being here. 503 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:12,920 Appreciate it. 504 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:14,480 Thanks for having me. 505 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:20,040 For our listeners, you might not know this about me, but I'm actually an introvert and 506 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,360 you might not know that about me because I don't think I come off that way here. 507 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:27,080 And the reason I don't come off that way here is because the POGAL people are so lovely 508 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:32,880 and so kind and so supportive that they have beaten all sense of introvertedness out of 509 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:38,560 my head that they have really made it, made it so clear that I am accepted and that I 510 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:39,560 should be here. 511 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:43,960 And so if you're thinking, yeah, well, you guys seem kind of tight, kind of like a click. 512 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:45,280 No, trust me. 513 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,880 We welcome your involvement. 514 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:49,400 We are always looking for new voices. 515 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:53,120 The POGAL projects understands the point of having new people. 516 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:58,660 We understand that you are going to bring your own unique perspective when you talk 517 00:34:58,660 --> 00:35:02,960 to us about POGAL and you have an ability to make a change here. 518 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:10,320 So go on the Facebook page, sign up for an e-series, think about joining one of the working 519 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:19,680 groups because we want to hear what you have to say wherever you are in your POGAL journey. 520 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:25,960 I hope that this season has inspired you to try out some new techniques, some new strategies 521 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:27,040 in your classroom. 522 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:34,480 And I hope that you continue to carry on POGALing and keep on listening to the podcast. 523 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,880 Thanks. 524 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,920 Is it time for you to get off of your POGAL Island? 525 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,720 Of course it is. 526 00:35:41,720 --> 00:35:45,520 Visit the POGAL website, www.pogle.org. 527 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:50,000 There you will find all of the contact information, the emails, the phone numbers that will allow 528 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,720 you to reach out to the project. 529 00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:58,080 As Siobhan has noted, this is the end of our regular season for season three of the podcast. 530 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,200 But there is a postseason just around the corner. 531 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:06,000 We are planning to have a couple of special episodes in May to celebrate our POGAL award 532 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,000 winners. 533 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,400 So you will want to stay tuned for that. 534 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:14,560 For Siobhan, Tim and Joyce and everyone at the POGAL podcast, thanks for listening and 535 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:15,920 we will see you in May.