Here is episode 2 of the POGLE podcast. 8 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:40,760 POGLE stands for Process-Oriented Guided Inquiry Learning, 9 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:42,760 a student-centered approach that guides students 10 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:45,400 in constructing their own understanding of content 11 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:47,160 and helps them develop important skills 12 00:00:47,160 --> 00:00:49,880 such as teamwork, communication, 13 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:52,920 critical thinking, and problem-solving. 14 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:55,800 This podcast celebrates the 2022 15 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:58,480 POGLE Early Achievement Award winners, 16 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:00,520 or Peach Awards. 17 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:02,600 Today, co-host Wayne Pearson, 18 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:04,360 who is a retired chemistry professor 19 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:06,080 from the U.S. Naval Academy, 20 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:09,160 will introduce the project's Peach Awards. 21 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:11,760 Siobhan Julian from Webster Schroeder High School 22 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,440 in Webster, New York, is our high school winner, 23 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:17,600 and our post-secondary award winner is Andy Aspas 24 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:20,040 from Anoka-Ramsey Community College 25 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:22,440 in Cambridge, Minnesota. 26 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:24,360 Wayne, Andy, and Shaban, 27 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:26,280 thank you very much for being here today, 28 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:38,600 and Wayne, I will now pass the baton over to you. 29 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:40,800 So welcome, everyone, to our celebration 30 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:44,400 of the 2022 Peach Awards. 31 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:46,720 What are the Peach Awards, you might ask? 32 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:51,000 Well, in 2015, the POGLE Project Steering Committee 33 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:52,720 and the Board of Directors established 34 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,400 the POGLE Early Achievement Award, 35 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:57,480 fondly known as the Peach Award, 36 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,600 to recognize significant and enthusiastic contributions 37 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,600 of new practitioners to the POGLE Project. 38 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:04,880 The award is given annually 39 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,280 to one post-secondary-level recipient 40 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:09,960 and one high school-level recipient. 41 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:11,120 To be considered for the award, 42 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,400 a practitioner must have advanced the goals 43 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:16,640 of the POGLE Project, as defined by its strategic plan, 44 00:02:16,640 --> 00:02:19,240 demonstrated an exceptional level of enthusiasm 45 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:22,760 for student-centered learning, and POGLE in particular, 46 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,360 demonstrated some project leadership, 47 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:28,000 and actively participated in disseminating 48 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:29,960 the POGLE pedagogy. 49 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:33,760 It is my pleasure to introduce the 2022 awardees. 50 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:35,720 Shaban Julian, a chemistry teacher 51 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,320 at Webster Schrader High School in Webster, New York, 52 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:40,160 is our high school awardee. 53 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,760 Shaban is noted for her classroom use of POGLE 54 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,520 and her outreach to teachers in her school district. 55 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:47,160 She has contributed to the project 56 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:48,760 as a workshop facilitator 57 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:52,160 and as member of the networking working group 58 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:53,720 to further the outreach to current 59 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,200 and new POGLE practitioners. 60 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:59,640 Our post-secondary awardee is Andy Osbos, 61 00:02:59,640 --> 00:03:02,880 a chemistry instructor from Anoka Ramsey Community College 62 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:04,800 in Cambridge, Minnesota. 63 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:08,000 Andy has always been interested in different pedagogies, 64 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,320 but after a three-day fundamentals workshop, 65 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:13,480 he became a dedicated POGLE practitioner in the classroom 66 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:15,640 and an active member of the project. 67 00:03:15,640 --> 00:03:17,360 He serves as chair 68 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,040 of the Strategic Collaborations Working Group 69 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:24,400 and is also a facilitator for POGLE's virtual workshops. 70 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:26,320 And I'll say I've had the privilege of working 71 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:29,080 with both of our recipients and working groups 72 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:30,800 and workshops in the POGLE meetings. 73 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:32,840 I can say from firsthand knowledge 74 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:36,280 that these are great people and they work really hard. 75 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,640 Congratulations on the awards and welcome to the podcast. 76 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:41,280 Thank you. 77 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:43,920 Thanks so much, Wayne. 78 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:46,000 Okay, so I don't think it can be overstated 79 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,720 how significant the Peach Award is in the POGLE community. 80 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,720 You have both been recognized not only for your application 81 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:53,720 of POGLE methods in your classrooms, 82 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,760 but also how much you've contributed to the POGLE project. 83 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,880 How does it feel to receive this recognition? 84 00:03:59,880 --> 00:04:01,440 Siobhan, let's start with you. 85 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,040 Absolutely bonkers. 86 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:10,040 Everything that I've done in respect with the POGLE project, 87 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:12,560 I have been over the moon about. 88 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:17,560 My first POGLE project event was actually NCAP 2017. 89 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,880 And when I found out I got into that work, to that conference, 90 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:23,440 I was like running around my school, shouting. 91 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:27,200 I was like, oh my God, I'm going to NCAP. 92 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,480 And then it was the facilitator training the next year. 93 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:31,320 And I was like, oh my God, 94 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:32,640 they're never gonna pick me, like no. 95 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:34,480 And they're like, oh my God, oh my God, 96 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:36,400 they're gonna pick me. 97 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:40,360 And then same thing with POGLE national meeting in 2019. 98 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:42,240 He's like, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God. 99 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,160 So like every single thing that I've done 100 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,960 with the POGLE project, I've just been like, 101 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,560 I can't believe you picked me for this. 102 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:51,120 I am so excited for this. 103 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,320 I am so incredibly excited to do this. 104 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:56,720 So needless to say, when y'all give me an award, 105 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:58,840 I just, my brain fell out of my head. 106 00:04:58,840 --> 00:05:01,440 I was just, I, you know, dead completely. 107 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:03,880 I am, it is so incredibly, I'm so honored. 108 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:05,760 This is so crazy. 109 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:08,920 And yeah, it's insane. 110 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:10,720 So that's what I felt. 111 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:12,720 That's what I feel about this recognition. 112 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:15,960 Okay, that's absolutely fantastic. 113 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:17,920 I guess we can see that the enthusiasm part 114 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:19,520 is really, really there, Siobhan. 115 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,400 It's, Andy, how about you? 116 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:27,400 Well, yeah, it was hugely unexpected, I guess, 117 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:31,000 you know, because everything that I've been, you know, 118 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,760 working for in the POGLE project has just come 119 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:38,760 out of my appreciation for everything that the project does. 120 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:43,960 And, you know, it was just real natural for me 121 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:47,480 to want to be involved in some of the working groups 122 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,600 and to want to get the word out to others about POGLE. 123 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:52,800 And I guess it never really occurred to me 124 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,920 that that would be, that that would be award worthy. 125 00:05:55,920 --> 00:06:00,920 So I'm really tickled that I get this award, 126 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:04,440 but more than anything, it's just been an honor 127 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:09,040 for me to be working with the project as much as I have. 128 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:09,880 Absolutely. 129 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:11,960 Well, well-deserved award for both of you. 130 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:14,560 We all have a backstory that resulted 131 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:16,800 in us choosing teaching as a profession. 132 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:18,120 It's somewhere along the line. 133 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,560 We made a decision that we wanted to teach. 134 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,320 What, this is kind of a three-part question actually. 135 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:24,720 And I'll start with you, Andy, 136 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:26,720 what led you to become a teacher? 137 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:30,200 How did you become interested in teaching using POGLE? 138 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:33,400 And then why did you decide to work with the project? 139 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,840 Well, you know, how I became a teacher, 140 00:06:37,840 --> 00:06:40,360 I had a lot of experience with teaching. 141 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:42,040 And so why I became a teacher, 142 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:45,760 that wasn't a decision that I made really early on 143 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:48,560 in my life or even in grad school. 144 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,360 I was just really interested in chemistry 145 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:53,440 and organic chemistry, but over time, 146 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:57,080 it really became clear to me that I really enjoyed 147 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:59,520 interacting with students directly, 148 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:03,320 much more than me in the lab doing my own research. 149 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:06,840 Didn't help that I wasn't the best researcher anyway, 150 00:07:06,840 --> 00:07:10,760 but I really spent a lot of my time thinking 151 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:13,320 about what I was gonna be doing with students 152 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:17,440 and maybe not quite as much time worrying 153 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,000 about what my own research projects were. 154 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:23,400 So it became pretty clear to me early on 155 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:27,200 that I wanted to do something academic. 156 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:31,040 I was really fortunate at getting an opportunity 157 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:35,080 of joining the State Community College System 158 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:39,200 here in Minnesota where teaching, 159 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,840 the scholarship of teaching and learning 160 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:45,280 and the science and art of teaching is really highly valued. 161 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:50,280 And I really appreciate being in that kind of environment. 162 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,840 As for Pogal, I was also really fortunate 163 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:58,120 to be part of a department that had a couple 164 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:03,120 of real early adopters to the project and the pedagogy. 165 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:06,840 Back in the early 2000s, if you can believe that, 166 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:10,360 one of my colleagues went to one of the very first 167 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:13,320 BCCE presentations where people were really starting 168 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:14,760 to get the word out about Pogal. 169 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,760 And I came into the department not long after that. 170 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:21,360 So it was a real sort of natural part 171 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:22,680 of our department already. 172 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:27,040 And I incorporated that into at least one of my classes 173 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,000 already because that was just kind of the thing to do. 174 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:35,000 And over the years, I slowly started incorporating more 175 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:41,080 but it was still at a fairly casual level 176 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:44,480 with a lot of other kind of practices and pedagogies 177 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,840 and doing a lot of different things. 178 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:52,840 Wasn't until far more recently that after I decided 179 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:56,760 to shift away from a lot of my other types 180 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:00,040 of responsibilities that I really wanted to focus 181 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:01,640 on my own professional development. 182 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:05,560 And that's what brought me into really learning 183 00:09:05,560 --> 00:09:09,000 how to make the most out of Pogal in my classroom. 184 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:14,000 It's really shown me that someone can get their feet wet 185 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:19,240 with Pogal and fairly casually introduce some 186 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:22,400 of the techniques in, but to really get the most out of it. 187 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:26,240 One of the trainings that the project offers, 188 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:31,240 they are so valuable in helping you manage your classroom 189 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:34,640 properly and help your students get the most out of it. 190 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:39,640 So that three-day fundamentals workshop that I went to 191 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,440 was absolutely transformative for me in seeing 192 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:48,760 how much the pedagogy is beyond just the worksheets. 193 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:50,080 Unfortunately, there's a lot of people 194 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:51,720 that still treat these as worksheets 195 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:54,640 and it's so much more than that. 196 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:59,640 It's just as important the technique that you do 197 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,480 in facilitating and the way that the process skills 198 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,360 are emphasized and everything like that. 199 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:11,360 So from there, it fits so well with my personality 200 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:17,200 in teaching and I think it's become so important recently 201 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:21,600 as the light has been shown on a lot 202 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,300 of sort of questionable teaching practices 203 00:10:24,300 --> 00:10:26,400 as people are moving to Zoom and things like that, 204 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:29,080 that for us to have a really good, 205 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:35,240 really good well-proven method for allowing students 206 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:37,560 to really engage with each other, 207 00:10:37,560 --> 00:10:39,360 learn the content really deeply 208 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:41,760 and practice these process skills. 209 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:46,640 It's become so important to my own personal teaching 210 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,220 and it's become a little bit of a mission of mine 211 00:10:49,220 --> 00:10:54,080 to help other people get exposed to that as well. 212 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:57,120 And I think we have somewhat parallel stories. 213 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:00,600 I recognized early on in graduate school 214 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:02,720 that I was a much better teaching assistant 215 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,280 than I was a synthetic inorganic chemist. 216 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:08,480 And so that shaped me in that direction. 217 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,200 So I think a number of us have gone down that road. 218 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,360 When did you start working with the project? 219 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:19,880 It was not long after the Three Day Fundamentals workshop. 220 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,960 I was so impressed with how that workshop 221 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:26,280 was ran that I wanted to get involved. 222 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,440 So that's when I took the first opportunity 223 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:33,280 to sign up to go to the facilitation training. 224 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:37,520 And I'm very fortunate to be part of the first group 225 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:40,920 that started doing virtual fundamentals over Zoom. 226 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:45,240 And for us to have, you know, to not only show 227 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:50,120 that it can be acceptable, I guess, 228 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:51,480 to do something over Zoom, 229 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:55,360 but to actually have a really good high quality experience 230 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:58,600 where people and students collaborate with each other 231 00:11:58,600 --> 00:11:59,800 and really learn from each other, 232 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:01,400 that can happen over Zoom. 233 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,160 So I was really happy to be part of that. 234 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:05,720 Yeah. All right. 235 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:06,720 Fantastic. 236 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:08,240 Siobhan, how about you? 237 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:10,000 What's your story? 238 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:11,440 Well, I think it's really interesting 239 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:14,040 that the two of you have already mentioned 240 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:16,680 going to college and grad school 241 00:12:16,680 --> 00:12:19,360 and realizing that you like the teaching 242 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:20,840 way more than the research 243 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:24,240 because I'm gonna now add a third plot line of that 244 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:25,960 to that story. 245 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:29,280 Yeah, because I fell in love with chemistry 246 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,720 when I was an undergrad and I went on to PhD program 247 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,200 in biochemistry and I was there for five years 248 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:39,680 and it basically was five years of me slowly realizing 249 00:12:39,680 --> 00:12:41,520 this is not what I like. 250 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:43,520 I do not enjoy this research. 251 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:45,840 I'm not very good at it. 252 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:48,680 And I think, like, I started thinking like, 253 00:12:48,680 --> 00:12:49,800 what do I enjoy? 254 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:50,640 What do I like? 255 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:51,480 And I kept on thinking, 256 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:53,840 I always loved whenever I was a TA, 257 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:55,680 that was my favorite portion of it. 258 00:12:55,680 --> 00:12:59,880 So I also knew though that like the PhD 259 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:00,920 was not going to happen. 260 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:02,600 My research was just going so poorly. 261 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,960 So I left the program and I knew that I wanted 262 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:07,240 to be a high school chemistry teacher 263 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:08,680 and that's how I wound up there. 264 00:13:08,680 --> 00:13:11,840 So again, didn't really start that until my late twenties, 265 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:15,600 but as soon as I started that, 266 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:17,040 I knew it was the right thing for me. 267 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:19,600 It was like, oh yeah, this is what I'm supposed to do. 268 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,640 And when I started teaching, 269 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:26,880 I also knew from the education courses I had taken 270 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:30,560 that I wanted to incorporate inquiry into my classroom. 271 00:13:30,560 --> 00:13:35,360 I didn't want to be just like regular lecturer, 272 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:36,320 cookbook labs. 273 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:38,160 I didn't want that. 274 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:41,760 But at that time, if you wanted to do inquiry, 275 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:44,120 it would be, you did it in terms of labs. 276 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:45,400 Like you did open-ended labs, 277 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:47,120 students design their own labs. 278 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:50,120 That was where you pulled in the inquiry portion 279 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:50,960 into your classroom. 280 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,560 And so that's what I was doing for about the first three, 281 00:13:53,560 --> 00:13:54,520 four, five years. 282 00:13:56,680 --> 00:13:59,280 Very vividly remember, went to a conference, 283 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:03,000 the Science Teachers Association of New York State, 284 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,000 their annual conference. 285 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,840 And I went to a workshop and this person was talking 286 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:10,880 about literacy in high school chemistry. 287 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:13,760 So not even related to Pogel, but talking about literacy. 288 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:15,720 And one person asked the presenter, 289 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:17,760 well, how do you have time for all this stuff 290 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:19,640 and still lecture? 291 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,480 It said, I don't lecture anymore. 292 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:23,760 I do Pogel. 293 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:25,800 And I went, what? 294 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:27,640 I went like, ding. 295 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:29,920 Like, what is this Pogel of which you speak? 296 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:33,360 You know, what do you mean you don't lecture? 297 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:35,960 What is this magical thing you use that you don't lecture? 298 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:38,640 And I had to know more. 299 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:42,200 And I went back home after that weekend 300 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:43,320 and immediately went online. 301 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:45,880 I found a Pogel-like activity. 302 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:47,560 It was not an official published one. 303 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:49,240 It was just one that someone had written 304 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:51,960 for high school chemistry, put online, put on their website. 305 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:53,960 And it was on the same stuff that I was doing that week. 306 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:55,560 Literally the same topic. 307 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:59,480 I apparently threw caution to the wind like a mad woman, 308 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:03,080 printed it, handed it to my students, went, 309 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:04,560 we'll see, like, kind of like, 310 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:07,840 I don't know what I'm doing, but like, let's give it a try. 311 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,960 And it was the fact that when they finished that, 312 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:15,480 they had learned and were answering correctly questions 313 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:17,800 about what I was going to lecture on that day. 314 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:19,160 And that's what sold me. 315 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:20,760 Like, 100% of like, wait, 316 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,160 how are you correctly identifying these? 317 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:27,280 And the words never left my mouth and you still learned? 318 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:31,520 And like, done, sold, sold, all in. 319 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:36,040 You know, I didn't become involved in the project 320 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:39,240 until a few years later, mostly because, 321 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:42,440 so I never actually went to the three day 322 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:46,760 fundamentals workshop because I couldn't afford it. 323 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:48,480 It was too far away. 324 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:50,480 Like, I would have to travel too far. 325 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,520 And as a high school teacher, that's really tough. 326 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,320 So instead I sat my little booty 327 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:59,120 in front of the Poggle.org website 328 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:02,560 and I dug and I dug and I dug, 329 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:05,560 but I found absolutely everything I could. 330 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:07,800 I was like, oh, rolls? 331 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:09,320 Did I have rolls? 332 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:10,400 Okay, what are these rolls? 333 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:12,080 Oh, look, there's a list of possible rolls. 334 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:13,880 Okay, so let's try that. 335 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:15,480 Oh, hey, that seemed to work pretty well. 336 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:16,520 Okay. 337 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:19,080 You know, and I found like, I read the research goals. 338 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:21,560 I read about the different ways of reporting out. 339 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,840 I basically tried to research as much as I possibly could 340 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:26,280 because I knew that I couldn't, 341 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:30,160 it wasn't within my means to go to a introductory workshop. 342 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:35,040 So my first involvement with the project was NCAP 2017. 343 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:36,480 And like, thank God for that 344 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,160 because I started to feel like I was, 345 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:43,960 am I still introductory if I've been doing it 346 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,080 for like four years solid? 347 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,800 And I was like, I don't know. 348 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:52,320 And then NCAP came along and I was, oh yeah. 349 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:56,520 Conference where all I do is talk with other Poggle people 350 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:58,080 about Poggle? 351 00:16:58,080 --> 00:16:59,960 Yeah. 352 00:16:59,960 --> 00:17:04,000 And I think just to echo back to what Andy said at the 353 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:08,160 beginning, everything that I've done with the project 354 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:12,280 has been me in my mind giving back 355 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:15,840 because Poggle has just utterly transformed my classroom. 356 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:19,040 It's utterly transformed how I view my profession 357 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:21,080 and my professional development. 358 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:23,080 And I'm really just trying, 359 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:25,560 I'm trying desperately to say thank you. 360 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:26,480 You know, I really am. 361 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:29,440 I'm really just trying, all of this is just to say thank you 362 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,160 to the project so much for everything that you've given me. 363 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:34,400 So everything I've done in the project 364 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:36,480 has been with that in mind. 365 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:38,200 Oh, fantastic. 366 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,480 I think it's always a good feeling when you leave 367 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:41,600 the Poggle Island. 368 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:44,800 I was the only practitioner in my institution 369 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:47,320 and then I realized there are all these other people 370 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:50,280 and they really look at things the way I do. 371 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:52,360 And it's really a great, great feeling when that happens. 372 00:17:52,360 --> 00:17:55,680 It was incredible for me to go from being the only person 373 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:58,200 around in my entire school who like knew what it was 374 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:00,440 to having these phenomenal conversations. 375 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:02,760 It was unbelievable, it was crazy. 376 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:03,600 That's great. 377 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:06,360 Okay, so this particular award, 378 00:18:06,360 --> 00:18:08,280 the Peach Award is for early achievement 379 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:10,240 as a new Poggle practitioner. 380 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:12,720 The implication, I think even the expectation 381 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:15,440 is that your achievements don't end here. 382 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:17,520 One of the great things about working with the project 383 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,160 is that you can work in any number of areas. 384 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:23,000 It could be social networking or the writing of activities, 385 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,080 developing assessment tools, 386 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,960 advocating for teaching equity and so on, 387 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:29,560 a lot of different areas. 388 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:30,880 When you look into the future, 389 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,560 what are your interests in helping to move the project 390 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:34,920 forward, Siobhan? 391 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:39,200 So this is definitely something that I think about 392 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:40,440 fairly a decent amount. 393 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:43,480 I made the decision in my professional life 394 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:45,720 a couple of years ago when I was feeling overwhelmed 395 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:47,320 by a lot of other things. 396 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:49,080 What Poggle is what I love, 397 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:50,520 Poggle is what I wanna focus on. 398 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:52,680 I kinda wanna cut out some of the other things 399 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:53,880 that were just stressing me out. 400 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:57,240 And in the immediate future, 401 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:01,280 so I somehow got roped into a second working group. 402 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:03,480 So I am now actually currently involved 403 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:04,800 in two working groups, 404 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:06,320 which was never really on the, 405 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:08,240 on in the point in the context of me, 406 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:09,640 but then I was like, all right, 407 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:11,440 I guess I'm part of the high school activities 408 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:14,240 working group, working group now, cool. 409 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:19,040 And then I was also really, really excited. 410 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:24,320 I'm sitting on the steering committee for the 2023 NCAP, 411 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:26,480 which I've never done before. 412 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:30,080 And, but really jazzed about that because like I said, 413 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:33,000 NCAP 2017 was my first experience with the project. 414 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,880 So I'm really excited to be working on to help plan, 415 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:40,440 that same conference for future people, 416 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:42,840 people coming into the Poggle project. 417 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:48,080 My sort of long-term like pipe dream, 418 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:50,760 I am just, I feel really, really strongly 419 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:53,200 and really, really passionately about disseminating 420 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:56,800 Poggle pedagogy beyond STEM, beyond even high school. 421 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,800 Like I love what Mary Sullivan is doing 422 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:02,720 with writing her art Poggle. 423 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,840 I like, that's the stuff that I just, 424 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:09,360 I really wanna do, I wanna help as much as possible 425 00:20:09,360 --> 00:20:12,280 to get, you know, that those things out there. 426 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:14,800 Like, yeah, I would love to sit down 427 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:17,200 with a seventh grade social studies teacher and be like, 428 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,840 okay, what do you cover and how can we make a Poggle? 429 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:24,840 Because I think this pedagogy works beyond just, 430 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:27,920 you know, college chemistry and high school chemistry. 431 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:28,920 You know, it works. 432 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:32,080 And right now we are, you know, 433 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:35,000 there's so much published stuff within that realm, 434 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:38,880 but there's such possibility for so much more. 435 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:43,160 And that's, you know, that's what I see. 436 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:47,440 And I wanna try to make it happen with the Poggle project. 437 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,040 I don't necessarily know how, 438 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,320 but I wanna try to make it happen. 439 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:52,160 Fantastic. 440 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:56,720 I think there's room for maybe Poggle activities in opera. 441 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:58,360 Do you think so? There we go. 442 00:20:58,360 --> 00:21:00,280 Well, like when I actually, 443 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,920 when I, cause I've done some like really, 444 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:08,200 some informal like trying to show what Poggle is 445 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:09,680 to the people in my district. 446 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:11,520 I actually wrote a Poggle about opera. 447 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:12,480 That's how I did it. 448 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,480 I was like, I'm gonna write a Poggle about opera 449 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,480 and I'm gonna use that to show you what Poggle is 450 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:19,800 and also to teach you what a coloratura is 451 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:21,000 cause I don't think you know. 452 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,760 So, and it's nice because I got, 453 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:25,600 like I had Spanish teachers there going, 454 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,920 oh yeah, no, I can see how I could use this in Spanish, 455 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:29,240 in high school Spanish. 456 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:34,240 And like English teachers and they're like, this is great. 457 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:35,680 Where can I get a book of activities? 458 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:37,280 And I was like, oh. 459 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:42,600 So yeah, I think about that. 460 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:43,640 I think about that a lot. 461 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:47,200 And I wanna try to be able to say here, here's the book. 462 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:48,240 Yeah, there you go. 463 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:49,160 Absolutely. 464 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,480 Andy, where do you see yourself going within the project? 465 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:55,760 Well, I've been really fortunate 466 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,160 to be part of the strategic collaborations work group 467 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:02,960 already and we've got a lot of real interesting things 468 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:03,800 coming up. 469 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:08,000 We've been able to establish a partnership 470 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:11,000 with the learning assistant alliance, 471 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:14,840 a similar sort of group to ours in its structure, 472 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:19,840 but they develop methods for undergraduate students 473 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,800 to be embedded within large classes, 474 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,840 but these students are trained 475 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,800 on facilitating active learning. 476 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,200 So it was a real natural fit with the Poggle project 477 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:37,840 for us to be part of the training that they get 478 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,000 and an option for curriculum for that. 479 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,520 So we're looking at expanding that kind of partnership 480 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,800 and we've got lots of other options and ideas 481 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,440 on the future for other similar organizations 482 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:52,200 and similar ways that we can help get Poggle out there. 483 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,680 Part of our professional development days 484 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:02,040 for our school twice a year all the time. 485 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:07,040 And I keep thinking how Poggle is the answer 486 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,120 to a lot of these questions that are being asked. 487 00:23:10,120 --> 00:23:13,600 There's so much talk about the achievement gap and equity. 488 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:17,400 There's so much talk about actively engaging students 489 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,680 and Poggle can be the answer to so much of that. 490 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,720 So I've started to get involved at the state level 491 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:27,120 with professional development and with academic technology 492 00:23:27,120 --> 00:23:31,320 and being able to hopefully introduce some of the Poggle 493 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:36,320 project into things like that is really interesting to me. 494 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,160 I've always been really, really interested 495 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:42,520 in academic technology and I've done a lot of stuff lately 496 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,560 with OneNote and Microsoft Teams and things like that 497 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:50,560 that kind of push the boundaries a little bit 498 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:55,560 on how Poggle has been implemented kind of in the past. 499 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,280 And I think it's great to be kind of thinking 500 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,880 about creative ways to use the technology 501 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,600 to allow students to interact with each other 502 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,440 outside of the classroom as well as inside of the classroom 503 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:07,960 or remotely too. 504 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:12,960 So personally I'm looking forward to doing some authoring. 505 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,840 I've been part of the, I've gotten into the PAC, 506 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:20,640 the Collaborative Feedback Training. 507 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:25,640 That's been a great exercise that's helped me learn 508 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:30,880 a little bit more about writing and the revision process 509 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:35,600 and just that attitude about how something 510 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,560 doesn't have to be perfect. 511 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:41,080 You try it out and it's probably mostly gonna fail, 512 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:42,640 but there might be a couple of good things 513 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,880 and you work and you emphasize those 514 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,080 and you change up the rest of it 515 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,640 and that's how the stuff gets going. 516 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:55,640 So I'm really excited personally to be able 517 00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:00,000 to implement new things and hopefully help get the word out 518 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,520 more, you know, this is, it's such the answer 519 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:06,960 to so many of the issues that we're encountering now 520 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,800 that I think it's so natural for us to be part 521 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,760 of more educators professional lives. 522 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,200 Absolutely, well, you both recognize that you're gonna be 523 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,440 a big part of moving the project forward in later years 524 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,880 that Poggle's not stagnant, it's gonna change, 525 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:24,720 it's gonna adapt to the times. 526 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:28,480 It is gonna use the technology, move into different areas 527 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,600 and I think we're in incredible capable hands. 528 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,680 That's terrific. 529 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:35,720 I do wanna congratulate you guys again 530 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,840 and thank both of you for sharing your time with us 531 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:40,760 on the Poggle podcast. 532 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,840 To let people know we are gonna have official presentations 533 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:47,000 of these awards at our summer PNM meetings 534 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,920 and if you come to that PNM meeting, 535 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,840 make sure that you sign up for Siobhan's trivia nights 536 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,000 cause they are absolutely fantastic. 537 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:55,840 Yes! 538 00:25:55,840 --> 00:26:00,000 Absolutely and again, I'll say it again, congratulations 539 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,880 and thanks for being with us today. 540 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,560 Thank you so much, Wayne. 541 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,360 Thanks a bunch, Wayne. 542 00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:08,240 Thanks to all of you for listening to today's conversation 543 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:09,880 on the Poggle podcast. 544 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:11,840 For additional details on how you can engage 545 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,360 with the Poggle project or its working groups, 546 00:26:14,360 --> 00:26:16,880 contact associate director Marcy Dubroff 547 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,080 at marcy.dubroff at poggle.org. 548 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:25,840 That's marcy.dubroff at poggle.org. 549 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:29,880 The Poggle project is a 501c3 nonprofit organization. 550 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:31,360 If you would like to make a donation 551 00:26:31,360 --> 00:26:33,640 so we can keep providing podcasts, 552 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,640 low cost workshops and classroom materials, 553 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:41,640 please visit www.pogle.org backslash donate. 554 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:43,760 Intro and outro music of our podcast 555 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:47,040 is produced by Poggle practitioner, Wayne Pearson. 556 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:48,440 Please join us next time 557 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,920 when we interview the 2022 winner 558 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,560 of the project's first impact award. 559 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:55,720 Until then, enjoy your week. 560 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,520 Intro music of our podcast 561 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,520 is produced by Poggle practitioner, Wayne Pearson. 562 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,520 Please join us next time 563 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,520 when we interview the 2022 winner 564 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,520 of the project's first impact award. 565 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,520 Until then, enjoy your week. 566 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,520 Intro music of our podcast 567 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,520 is produced by Poggle practitioner, Wayne Pearson. 568 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,520 Please join us next time 569 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,520 when we interview the 2022 winner 570 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,520 of the project's first impact award.