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Welcome to season two of the Poggle Podcast. I'm Matt Tarca, producer of the

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Poggle Podcast for the Poggle Project. Poggle stands for process-oriented guided

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inquiry learning, a student-centered approach that guides students in

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constructing their own understanding of content and helps them develop important

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skills such as teamwork, communication, critical thinking, and problem-solving.

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The Poggle Podcast is an ongoing conversation from the Poggle Project

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that celebrates innovative educators both in and out of the classroom. For our

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seventh episode this season, we will focus on the fifth goal of Poggle's

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strategic plan, which is networking and strategic collaboration. Today, co-host

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Alex Grouchow, who is a professor of chemistry at Rider University and chair

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of the Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry, interviews Dr. Joanne Roke,

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assistant professor of chemistry at the University of Puerto Rico at CAIE. We

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also have Dr. Joyce Easter, dean of the Batten Honors College of Virginia

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Wesleyan University and professor of chemistry and chair of Poggle's National

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Conference to Advance Poggle Practice, or NCAP, in 2023. She is also the chair of

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Poggle's strategic plan working group titled Embracing Equity, Targeted

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Recruitment. Joanne and Joyce, thank you for being here today to discuss the

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importance of the strategic goal, and Alex, I will pass the baton over to you.

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This season, we will explore the inner workings of the Poggle Project. The

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project, it turns out, is not just about creating materials and disseminating

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them to the broader educational community. There are many other

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activities that people in the organization undertake to promote the

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mission of the project. We'll talk with educators around the country who work to

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steer and shape various aspects of the project. Through different episodes, the

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season listeners will learn about the many opportunities to participate in the

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workings of the project. In this episode, I will be talking with Joanne Roke and

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Joyce Easter. Joyce teaches at Virginia Wesleyan University and Joanne is at

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University of Puerto Rico, Cajet. Both Joanne and Joyce lead working groups for

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the Poggle Project that are related to developing strategic collaborations.

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Welcome to you both.

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Thank you, Alex. It's good to be here.

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Thank you as well. It's good to be here too.

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So in earlier episodes, we discussed how the working groups of the project stem

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from the strategic plan. Joyce, can you describe for our listeners, what is

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meant by strategic collaboration and what is it that this working group is

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seeking to accomplish?

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Yes, thank you, Alex. Strategic collaborations are relationships between

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the Poggle Project and other organizations that are productive for

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both organizations. This working group was established three years ago to

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contribute to goal five of the strategic plan, which focuses on the

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sustainability and growth of the project. Our working group seeks to identify and

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establish relationships with organizations that further the Poggle

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Project mission while being mutually beneficial to both organizations. In the

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first year, the focus was on identifying organizations that offer the most

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productive opportunities for dissemination of Poggle pedagogy, as well

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as developing strategic approaches to providing presentations or workshops at

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conferences of various professional organizations. But this has now expanded

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to include other collaborations beyond dissemination of Poggle pedagogy.

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Okay, so what are the key characteristics of these organizations that we're

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looking to collaborate with and what's our goal in developing them?

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Yeah, ideally, we want to develop collaborations with other organizations

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that have a mission that is aligned with and complements the Poggle Project

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mission. The Poggle Project is involved in a number of initiatives, which means

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we have potential collaborators in a number of areas, including teaching

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materials, professional development, professional network, and dissemination.

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For example, last year, we established a relationship with the Learning

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Assistant Alliance, which is an organization with which we share some

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members. Due to this collaboration, we have presented workshops at their

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International Learning Assistant Conference, and they have presented at

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the National Conference to Advance Poggle Practition. We hope to expand

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this collaboration further in the coming year.

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Joanne, I want to turn it over to you. Your group is also working on

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developing strategic collaborations, but it has a specific purpose to the

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project. So can you tell us a little bit about what kind of collaborations

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your team is trying to develop?

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Yes, thank you, Alex. So my group, it's targeted recruitment. So what we're

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trying to accomplish is to recruit faculty who work specifically at

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minority serving institutions, for example, or even faculty who are

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considered to be minority faculty members, because we want to expand the

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diversity of the project. So our group focuses on recruiting faculty from

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those groups.

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Okay, so and you're Hispanic, and so you you've become a strong supporter

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of the Poggle Project. Can you tell our listeners about how you got

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introduced to Poggle and you know how that relates to your background?

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I started working at Westminster College in Utah. And that's how I got

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introduced to the project. And what they do, it's they, their department

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uses a lot of Poggle in their classrooms. So they taught me how to use

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it, they introduced me to it. And I had that support system in place at my

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department. So it was a very atypical way of being introduced to the project.

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I know that other people do not experience it that way. So I really

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loved it. And that's why I kept trying to find ways in which I could continue

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collaborating with the project. And I ended up attending the PMMs last year.

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collaborations your team is working on? Given how you were I mean, you were

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introduced by your department. You know, what's what's important about the

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kind of strategic collaborations that you're talking about?

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the project. And I know not everybody has that support system in place. I

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mean, everybody in my department uses it. So whenever I had to then push

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back, I could talk to my colleagues and ask them like, how do we deal with

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these? What should I do? How can I change? So it was pretty, I wouldn't

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say the easiest thing to do, but it was more manageable that way. So I feel

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like with my group, trying to find people who look like me, for example,

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will help us create a support system for those faculty members who don't

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have as much support as I used to when I started using Poggle. So I think

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it's really important our work in expanding and finding other people who

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will feel comfortable using Poggle in their classrooms and know that they

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have someone to rely on like I did when I started using it. So really,

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this is about developing a support network for what kind of groups are

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we talking about here? Can you tell us the kind of groups that your team

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is working to collaborate with? I mean, not necessarily specific, but what

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kind of what do we want to get out of this? Yeah, of course. So we're trying

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to reach out to professional associations or groups whose aim is to

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increase diversity. For example, societies in science, for example,

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that are for faculty who are from minority backgrounds and for groups

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that are trying to bring in more diversity to their group, for example.

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a stronger collaboration with them. So right now, but that's a kind of group

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that we're trying to collaborate with those that, again, are meant to

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increase diversity in college. We're focusing on college right now with the

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purpose of expanding in the future, but we're trying to, you know, start with

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one step at a time and then expand to other groups. And this is really to

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help support faculty in underrepresented, not necessarily just at

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underrepresented, you know, institutions that serve underrepresented minorities,

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but basically all faculty in this area with the hope, I guess, of also

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working with students as well. Yes. So we're trying to address both. We're

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trying to recruit faculty members from minority serving institutions

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whose purpose is to serve underrepresented students. We have HBCUs,

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HSIs, which is where I'm working right now, one of them. And we're trying to

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recruit faculty of color as well who not necessarily work at those kinds of

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institutions because the final goal is to support our students as well, right?

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we can support our students, our minority students. So that's one of the main

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goals of my group. OK, Joanne. So you've used a number of little acronyms there

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to describe some of your organizations. Can you tell our listeners what you

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mean by HSI and HBCU, et cetera? Yes. So I was talking about MSIs, which are

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minority serving institutions, and those include HSIs, which are Hispanic

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serving institutions and HBCUs, which are historically Black colleges and

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universities. And the idea of those colleges in particular is that their

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number of underrepresented students will be quite high. So compared to a

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predominantly white institution, they're going to have way more students of

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color. So that's why that's one of our targets, because we want to make sure

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that we are also supporting students from those populations. OK, all right.

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That makes sense. Thank you. So, Joyce, I want to turn it back to you. In order

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to develop these collaborations with organizations, people within the Pogal

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Project need to reach out. How is this done? How do we get connected? I think

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you alluded to this a little bit at the beginning. So I think that this really

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depends on the organization that we are trying to establish a partnership with.

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With an organization with which we don't already know someone in their

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leadership or in their membership, one of our working group members has reached

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out to the leadership in that target organization to start the conversation.

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organization or members of a leadership team in the organization, and they make

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the initial contact. Ultimately, members of our working group and the national

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office meet with the representatives from that organization to discuss the

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potential ways in which we can collaborate. Depending on what that

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collaboration entails, we may then need assistance from other members of the

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Pogal community. So as the collaboration develops, we reach out to members with

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the expertise that we need to further the joint project between the

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organizations. Okay. As we have talked with other working group leaders from

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the Pogal podcast, we've learned that many of the working groups meet during

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the PNM, and they organize and develop their plans, but there's always work

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that's going on throughout the year. Can you tell us a little bit about what

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happens throughout the rest of the year? Yes. Our main focus after the target

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organization has been identified is to communicate with that organization.

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we have to then take the next steps that are necessary to carry out each of the

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initiatives that we might have with those organizations. So it could be

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planning and facilitating a workshop. It could be providing content for an

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organization's newsletter. It could be any number of tasks that help to further

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and develop the relationship with that organization. There's also a fair share

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of research involved throughout the year as we research a particular

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organization or potential ways in which we can collaborate. So different things

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have to be done throughout the year in order to further develop those

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relationships. Okay. Joanne, do you have anything to add to this? Yes. So our

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strategy is very similar to what Joyce described, but we also meet every month.

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Our group meets every month to kind of discuss what we have accomplished, how we

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can move forward, what associations we've identified. And we also meet with leaders

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from other groups if necessary. Last year, I met with Joyce to talk about ways that

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we can collaborate with them and not only just start doing rain-bed-to-the-wheel.

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We have people who know what they're doing and have done it before. So we

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try to create a set of guidelines that we can use throughout the year on our own

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so that we can reach out to those associations and keep in touch with them. And after

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several exchanges with a particular group who showed a lot of interest in collaborating

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with us, we were able to offer a one-hour fundamentals workshop for them. So we were

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able to accomplish that in a few months. So we were pretty excited about that.

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So I want to talk a little bit more about connections to other working groups. I mean,

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clearly, as you said, these two groups have a lot of similarity because they're both about

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strategic collaborations, but there's got to be some other synergies with other activities

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in the POGLE project. Can you talk a little bit about other teams that you've been working with

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in more detail? Yeah, this also really depends on the specific collaboration that we're involved in

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and the direction that that particular collaboration is taking. But we have collaborated

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with workshop facilitators. It's probably the most common one that we have in our particular group.

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Advance POGLE Practice. We also participated with or are planning to collaborate with the E-Series

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organizers in a collaborative session with our organization and other organization and also

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some potential crossover with the POGLE activity clearinghouse as we think about collaborative

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activities that might involve the materials, creating more teaching materials. So that might

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be a further synergy that might happen with us as well. Right. And Joanne, do you have anything to

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add there? So we, like I mentioned earlier, we talked with Joyce and her group. And we also

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work closely with the mentoring group, the addressing equity, particularly the mentoring

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group, because they're developing their mentoring program, which is something that really interests

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us because it's not only about recruitment. We also want to make sure that whoever we recruit has

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a support system, which is what that particular group is trying to accomplish. So more than

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reaching out to everybody, we're focusing on working closely with the mentoring program right now.

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Okay, excellent. So if someone's new to the POGLE community and they don't have a chance to

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get to a PNM, but they're interested in helping the project build these connections,

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how can they help out? I would say if there's somebody who has a connection with an organization

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that they think is a potential strategic partner, and you're interested in particularly in

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initiating a conversation between POGLE and that organization, we would welcome your information

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so that we could establish potentially, or at least look into that potential collaboration.

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Also, if you're somebody new to the project and you're interested in helping with any of our

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ongoing collaborations, we'd be happy to welcome you to the team as well.

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Joanne, I would imagine that as you have particularly underrepresented people joining in

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the project, having them act as mentors to even new people, is that something that you guys are

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looking to also build? Yes, yes. Of course, we are looking, and not my group in particular,

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because that would be the mentoring group. But yeah, if you're interested in mentoring anyone,

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if you want to join the POGLE group and you feel unsure, you can always reach out to us

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because we have resources for you. And I want to echo what Joyce mentioned. If you know

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specific groups who are trying to increase diversity, they don't necessarily have to be

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for diverse people. It can be one of their goals. And you think that we can collaborate with them.

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I'd really appreciate if you reach out to us, if you want to help in any way, if you know someone

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who's trying to get into POGLE, but they don't have a support system, let them know that we're

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here for them because that's our focus. Not only bring them in, but support them and make sure that

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they feel welcome and that they can do these. I don't want to say on their own because they're

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going to have this. So they have someone to rely on. Right. And I mean, that's one of the things

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about working with the POGLE project. Nobody actually works alone on any one of these tasks.

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It's always a group effort. And I think, you know, if people are interested, you can find out

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information about it at the website www.pogle.org because each of the working groups is sort of

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outlined there. And, you know, there's information about how to contact Joanne or Joyce if you wanted

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to get involved. I really want to thank the both of you for taking the time to discuss and share

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your experiences with the PNM and with your working groups to our larger audience. So please tune in to

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more podcasts this season for more details on all the activities of the POGLE project and how you

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can become involved with this community of practitioners. Thanks to all of you for listening

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to today's conversation on the POGLE podcast. For additional details on how you can engage with the

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POGLE project or its working groups, contact associate director Marcy Dubroff at marcy.dubroff

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at pogle.org. That's marcy.dubroff at pogle.org. The POGLE project is a 501c3 nonprofit organization.

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If you would like to make a donation so we can keep providing podcasts, low-cost workshops,

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and classroom materials, please visit www.pogle.org backslash donate. Intro and outro music of our

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podcast is produced by POGLE practitioner Wayne Pearson. Please join us next time when we interview

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the 2022 winners of POGLE's Early Achievement Award, also known as the Peach Award, as well

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as the project's first Impact Award. Until then, enjoy your week!