Welcome to the newest episode of fantasy football with gumbo.
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Hey, it's Dugo over here.
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As you know, these last couple of weeks, me and dugo have been talking about the NFL
combine and how these fantasy prospects fared during that time.
This week we're going to start digging a little bit deeper into some of these rookies, into
their draft profiles, and into what can you expect from them moving forward.
This week we've got a jam-packed episode.
We're going to be talking about guys like Devon A. Chain, Zach Sharp-Binet, Jordan Addison,
and Quinton Johnston.
We're actually going to be ranking other guys like Sean Tucker, Kendre Miller, and Teng
Bixby.
So, if you haven't done it already, make sure you follow below.
Dougal, how you feeling, man?
Yo, I'm feeling really good.
I really like these kids more and more as I keep watching their film.
There's definitely some guys that are falling lower on my board, I'll say.
But there's definitely some kids that are definitely solidifying themselves.
Kendre Miller, for example, I'm falling more and more in love with that kid.
When you look at the body type, it's pretty much exactly what you want.
I mean, 220, so he's built for impact, he's fast.
I mean, he has that breakaway speed that you want.
I mean, it's interesting, man.
And the biggest thing that kind of like, the thing that comes into my head, I mean, I know
it's probably not true, but I mean, Zach Evans was at TCU up until this year.
So in my opinion, I feel like he damn near scared him away.
So-
Wow.
You say he bullied him out of TCU?
I think so, a little bit, dog.
A little bit.
I think that he knew that, hey, there's this Kendre Miller guy that's coming up the ranks
a little bit and he's going to have the starting spot.
So he went elsewhere.
And I mean, when you look at him, dog, he can catch balls, he can run through the sticks.
I mean, he can run outside as well.
Whatever you want from him, you can do it for you.
Like, I don't know, bro.
I'm really, really impressed by him.
I'm begging him, yeah.
Do you have, what are your thoughts on Kendre Miller?
Just off-ramp.
Yo, I fuck with Kendre.
I think he's a dog.
He's a guy that I think has a bright future and we'll kind of do more of a deep dive into
what we think his future can be moving forward later into the episode.
But Dugo, I want to talk about free agency this week, man.
We got some more moves.
Hey, dude, we had a lot of activity this week.
We had Darren Waller get traded from the Las Vegas Raiders to the New York football Giants.
Wow.
So, I mean, the Giants made a couple other acquisitions as well as far as wide receivers,
which I think is pretty lit.
But if you ask me, I think that Daniel Jones' number one weapon is probably going to be
Darren Waller.
Wall dog.
I mean, dude, when you look at his body type, I mean, he's an alpha receiver in a tight-end
body.
I mean, he can go up and get any ball that you want.
He can go through the middle.
He can do whatever.
His only tick is that he gets injured pretty much every fucking season.
So for reference, last year, Darren Waller only played nine out of 17 games.
And the year before that, I think he also has hit up a little bit as well, wasn't he?
He played 11 out of 17 games the year before.
So you're talking about this guy missing a total of somewhere around like 14 games in
the last season.
Damn near.
That's a lot, bro.
It is.
And I mean, that could mean that, you know, his injury spell might be over and hopefully
he can come back.
You know, maybe the new training team is able to get him better rehabbed and, you know,
make sure that all the, you know, whatever's going on with him is, you know, chilling.
So that'd be cool.
But I mean, don't hold your breath.
But I mean, at the same time, though, if you have Darren Waller in like a dynasty league
or something, I think that you should be looking for a higher upside.
Yeah, you should.
If you want to trade him, I'd be looking for maybe a higher cap than what he was on the
Las Vegas Raiders.
Dude, let me ask you this.
What's around the realm of rookie pick that you'd be willing to give up for a guy like
Darren Waller?
I mean, if it was me, I'd probably be staying somewhere around like that mid second range.
So like maybe a two five, two six for Darren Waller.
Around that.
Yeah.
I mean, depending on like, let's say like it's a like a lower, like let's say like
it's like a mid third or something like that.
And then like they give you like another prospect.
Like that could be worth it.
But I mean, you also have to be thinking about your dynasty leagues is who are you going
to be cutting?
Is the person that you're going to fire in that trade for a lesser pick going to be someone
you're going to cut anyways?
Yeah.
So just yeah.
What I would do is something around like a mid second for me is probably a third.
You think so?
Because in the second, I think this year you can go out and get guys who have high upside,
especially even that running back.
So we're talking like a Sean Tucker.
Yeah.
But I mean, you can't you can't you can't put a running back in your tight on slot.
No, no.
I'm talking about for the overall realm of your team.
You can go get a nice running back.
Right.
But a 30 year old tight end.
Give me I want to keep my second round pick.
No doubt.
I mean, but if you're just a tight end away, I mean, that could be someone that I think
could be someone who puts you over the edge if you're looking for a tight end.
I really do.
A situational, right?
Situational.
What do I think he's going to be in New York?
I think obviously he's probably still going to be a top 10 tight end because the tight
end class is so just top heavy.
So there's not as much death.
If I'm choosing between guys like Darren Waller and maybe younger tight ends coming up the
ranks like a Greg Dolchich.
Give me Greg Dolchich.
You think so?
If I'm in the dynasty league.
I mean, that's fair.
I mean, it's a longer hold play.
But I mean, it all is dependent on what your team is at now.
Like if you are a team that's building 100 percent, probably go with Dolchich.
But if like I said, if you are on like the cusp of a championship and you're tight on
last year was some piece of shit and you need someone to get you around eight to 10 points
a game at least, then I think Darren Waller could be someone.
That's all I'm saying.
Speaking of tight ends, actually Mike Gesicki was another tight end who landed on a new
team.
Yeah, dude, he went to the Patriots.
He went to the Patriots with other guys like Juju and James Robinson.
And there's also Hunter Henry there as well.
Exactly.
That offense is looking completely different.
And so with that new acquisition to the Patriots, you know, their offense is going to shift
a little bit that may affect some of the guys you have on the Patriots roster as far as
fantasy.
And when it comes to Mike Dosecki, I mean, do you still have him as a top 10 tight end?
Not really.
I mean, when I look at the rest of the league, I just feel like right now there's more people
who could fill in.
Do I think he could be a top 20?
Yeah.
But I mean, when you think about it, I mean, Mike Dosecki, like I said, has Hunter Henry
on that team already.
The passing scheme is sus to say the least as far as right now.
I mean, Bill O'Brien is coming in to take over.
And so that'll be cool.
But as of right now, I don't really trust Hunter Henry or Mike Dosecki to get me a top
10 tight end slot.
Like I'm looking at both of those as maybe like top 20s.
Juju landed in New England.
And you know, last year he had kind of a resurgence here.
I mean, it wasn't bad.
He led the wide receiver group in a lot of statistical categories in Kansas City.
Can you recite those for us quick?
Just those stat numbers.
I don't know them off.
So last year he had 101 targets with Patrick Mahomes and he caught 78 of them.
Okay.
He ended the regular season with 933 yards, but only three touchdowns.
Now even with just those three touchdowns, he finished the season as wide receiver 27.
So in the season as basically a wide receiver too, if you play and, you know, like bigger
leagues, high end wide receiver three ish.
Right.
But regardless, he's only 26 years old and he lands in an offense that's depleted of
weapons.
Right.
Do you think Juju can crack that top 25 barrier in New England with maybe less weapons and
no longer the presence of like a Travis Kelsey?
You know, possibly.
I mean, I wouldn't put it past him.
I mean, I'm not trying to say that Juju is any, is close to like a Randy Moss type player
or anything.
No.
I mean, if there's something that Bill Belichick knows how to do is how to utilize good players.
And I mean, as much as we can all shit on Juju, I mean, I think at one point in his
career he was a top 10 wide receiver.
And so, I mean, when you look at it that way, I mean, shit.
I mean, could he possibly be something in New England if Bill O'Brien is running the
offensive handbook and making sure that everything goes to a tee?
I mean, possibly.
I don't want to put it past him.
See like, and that's the thing for Juju, if we're talking dynasty trades, he's a guy I
would trade a second round pick for.
Okay.
He's a guy I would feel more comfortable giving up a two, five, two, six, four.
And having the upside of a 26 year old wide receiver who could be the wide receiver one,
you know, in an offense.
And so Juju is a guy that I like a lot.
I do think he's going to crack that top 25 barrier, but he's not going to crack it by
much.
It's just interesting just because it was just on another one year deal again.
So three year deal.
Three years, three or three, 33 million.
I thought I had rather one.
So that's cool to hear that they gave him a three.
He got a big deal.
He got big money.
I think he's going to crack that top 25 simply because I think he's going to see around a
hundred targets assuming health.
And I don't think it's going to be too hard to outproduce those 78 catches.
And you know, even if he has another year where he only catches a handful of touchdowns
last year, he did the same thing and ended as, you know, wide receiver 27.
Yeah.
I mean, if I were, if I was a fantasy on right now, I would assume, I mean, so you said he
got like 102 targets last year with the chiefs.
Yes.
I would assume that you would see probably around like 115.
I mean, if you look at the amount of targets and the amount of weapons that are on the
Patriots compared to the chiefs, I mean, I wouldn't put a pass on the scene.
Actually 13 or so targets.
So that's 101.
So let me clarify.
It's 101 targets on 78 catches.
However, he did miss one game.
Right.
So assuming a full season, I think you should hit around those numbers.
And depending on, you know, where the statistics and where all that shit regresses for wide
receivers, I think he's pretty solid.
And I think he's a reliable guy to maybe be a low end wide receiver too.
Yeah.
I mean, when Bill Belichick brings him in there, like obviously he's bringing them in there
to be the one.
I mean, you don't sign someone on a 10 plus no contract.
You don't get about money like that.
Yeah.
Especially the Patriots.
So obviously he sees something at them.
I think that they're going to utilize him to his ability.
And I think he's definitely going to crack the top 25.
Do you think James Robinson has a significant impact on Ramon Dre Stevenson?
Not really.
I mean, I think it's going to be a good compliment, but I think that at the end of the day, Ramon
Dre is still going to be the one on that team.
And so depending on, you know, like it's going to be interesting going into camp because,
I mean, we never really get much out of the Patriots anyways, as far as information.
Yep.
I think that Ramon Dre still is going to be one of those guys that can draft relatively
high.
I think that last year he's cracked the top 10 for running back.
So obviously going into this next season, he's going to be able to get that draft capital
up there.
But nonetheless, I think that I don't think that James Robinson is really going to be
taking much work from him.
I think that at the end of the day, Ramon Dre has shown Bill, or he's shown Bill Belichick
and he's going to show Bill O'Brien that he can be the workhorse on that team.
And at the end of the day, yeah, Ramon Dre is going to be the one on that team.
I don't see James Robinson taking shit away.
I can honestly see him being like one of those guys that they cut towards the end of training
camp or whatever.
See, the Patriots, and that's actually interesting.
You think James Robinson might get cut?
I mean, he could definitely be one of those guys that like they just bring in and they
want to like feel him out.
But like even like when he went to the Jets last year, like he didn't really get much
work.
Because I know they signed him to I think it's like a one or I think it's a two year
deal, two year deal.
So I think he does stay in the offense this year.
And I could see him being used as like a goal line back to take those hits off of Ramon
Dre.
But one thing I do like about the offense is the fact they are revamp in their wide
receiver room.
So they're bringing in guys like Juju, who has shown you what he can do.
They're bringing in guys like Mike Kaseki, who has shown you what he can do with those
additional pass catching weapons.
Really they'd be able to they would be able to move up the field easier and they would
naturally land in the red zone more often.
And if Ramon Dre can capitalize on those touches, I know last year he only had five rushing
touchdowns.
Right.
If he can capitalize on those touches, I don't think it's I don't think it's too far
patched to think that he can exceed his amount of touchdowns last year.
Still eclipse maybe 900 to 1000 yards and potentially still be a top 10 running back.
That offense was that offense was atrocious last year.
It wasn't a good offense at all.
Terrible.
So I mean, the fact that they're going to have someone who's actually capable of calling
plays, actually setting up an offensive scheme and doing that whole side of the job that
Bill Beljec doesn't have to have an extra eye on.
I think that they're going to be in a really good place.
I really do.
So at the end of the day, Ramon Dre is the only one.
He was a what top 10 in both standard and PPR, I think.
Yeah, or at least close to it.
I think he's going to stay there in that position because if they're able to utilize him and
a really crappy offense, I mean, I can only imagine what they're going to do with an offense
that is actually not like at least proficient.
Let's say at least proficient.
All right.
And a former running back from the Northeast is Devin Singletary, who just signed today
on a one year deal to the Texans.
Dugal, let me ask you this.
We know that Damian Pierce had a hell of a year last year on the Texans.
He was their leading rusher.
Do you think that Devin Singletary is going to impact Damian Pierce next year with the
leadership of D'Amico-Ryans and that San Francisco coordinator group?
I mean, I think he's definitely going to take some work away from him.
I don't know if he's necessarily going to take away his room key and, hey, take a back
seat to me.
Get the fuck out.
I mean, Damian still will be the one on that team, I really do.
But I think that Devin Singletary is definitely going to be a good compliment to him.
I think he'll probably be more of like the third down back.
But honestly, if I'm psyched about anything about this acquisition, I'm psyched for James
Cook because, I mean, he doesn't have his handcuff anymore.
James Cook should be the one on that team on the Buffalo Bills.
So I'm super excited about that just because honestly, I have all three of these cats on
one of my dynasty leagues.
And so the weight kind of gets shifted a little bit.
But I really like the upside for James Cook.
Does that Damian Harris signing in Buffalo affect anything with James Cook for you?
Not a bunch.
Like, I think that James Cook, I think they want him to be the one on that team.
Like when I'm looking at some of like the interviews and stuff that Bill or what's his
name, Billy Bean, the GM for the Bills.
He said that he wants James Cook to have a much elevated role this year.
So I mean, I think that he's going to definitely be out there a lot.
Or Brandon Bean.
Billy Bean is, you know, that was the GM for the athletics, the Oakland athletics at one
point.
Well, Brandon Bean and some of his enemies, he was like, yo, that James Cook guy, hey,
we drafted him last year in the second round.
Yeah, we're going to give him more work.
We're going to have him probably as a wide receiver this year a little bit more.
We're going to have him in the backfield running between the tackles.
And then if you look at the D'Amico Ryan's, what he's saying about Damian Pierce and what
he's saying about Devin Singletary, he's like, yo, we got two really good running backs here.
Let's utilize them to a complimentary roles.
And let's stop the yard and run the ball and run the ball and let's get some points.
Speaking of behind the lines and speaking of the Texans, Bobby Slawick is the newest
the nudist.
Bobby Slawick is the newest offensive coordinator for the Houston Texans.
He comes from San Francisco.
He was the passing game coordinator with San Francisco for the last few years.
So obviously he has an established relationship with D'Amico Ryan's.
And this guy is going to be the one leading the Texans offense.
So you look at the San Francisco offense and you look at the fact that that's where D'Amico
Ryan's also comes from.
I think it would probably be safe to assume that this is probably going to be somewhat
of a zone offense, zone read offense.
And I believe that Devin Singletary, who might be a tad bit faster than Damian Pierce, could
have some utilization within that offense and his own blocking scheme.
And so I think both can be useful.
But one guy I'm really excited for that a lot of people have been shooting on is Dalton
Schultz, the newest head end for the Texans.
Were you just shooting on him right before we recorded the show, Jehiel?
Hey, it wasn't on microphone, so it never happened.
Dalton Schultz, I think, can go ahead and be somewhat of like the George Kittle in this
offense because that is the offense that these guys are familiar with.
And I think that when you go and you bring in a high caliber tight end like Dalton Schultz,
obviously it's only a one year deal.
It's a, you know, take it and see.
But when you think about the fact that they're also going to be bringing in a rookie quarterback
and quarterbacks who are new to a system typically enjoy utilizing their tight ends, I think
Dalton Schultz is going to see a ton of utility within this offense.
And though it's not the sexiest landing place, it's not the chargers like maybe, you know,
a lot of us Dalton Schultz dynasty owners were hoping for.
It's still a location in which he's going to be utilized by a guy who comes from a system
that heavily utilized the tight end.
Yeah, I mean, if you look at it at the end of the day, the receiving weapons they currently
have on the team aren't that great.
I mean, they have Robert Woods as one of the top wider receivers.
So I mean, if I'm a quarterback and I have the option of throwing to Robert Woods or
Dalton Schultz, I'm probably tossing the ball to the Schultz.
And they also traded Brandon, Brandon Cooks this today to the Cowboys Cowboys that actually
happened on Sunday.
So make sure you get those facts straight.
Oh, this release is on Wednesday.
So they don't know that.
But moving forward, Brandon Cooks, he's in Dallas.
Do you do you care about that?
I mean, I got to say that I care about it a little bit.
I think he's going to definitely be a good two there.
I think that he's going to compliment him pretty well.
I feel like everyone's kind of forgetting about Michael Gallup, though.
You know, I think that he's still there.
So that's like a really good wide receiver core.
I think that those three, especially, I mean, Jalen Tolbert does actually sound like he's
improving over the year.
So I'm excited to see where he's at at the start of this next season.
Yeah, the Cowboys seem sicko.
I don't know exactly where I have Cooks as far as like a wide receiver, as far as like
putting them out there.
I would have to see what their plan is just because it is a new OC and everything like
that.
So I don't have a ranking on him yet, but I do like the landing spot.
I have a sleeper.
We're going to discuss sleeper picks later this week.
You know, guys, we think that can give you high upside.
That will cause you, you know, relatively nothing.
And he's a guy that I think you guys are going to enjoy my analysis on.
So stay tuned in for that.
But moving forward, as far as free agency goes, we covered a lot of the big moves that
happened in the past week.
One player we didn't really give too much attention to that we just want to do a quick
bit on now is DJ Moore.
DJ Moore, he's somebody who has always performed maybe with not the most highest caliber of
quarterback, but he's someone who now lands in an offense with Justin Fields.
He has complementary options like Darnell Mooney and Colt Comet.
DJ Moore for me, if I'm just ranking him off of his new landing spot and what I, you know,
just expect from the guy, I think that he can probably supersede what he did last year.
He finished the season as wide receiver 24.
Man, give me DJ Moore as somewhere around a top 20 receiver.
I think he falls anywhere between maybe wide receiver 12 to wide receiver 20.
Let's call it at wide receiver 16.
I think that he's going to take a step forward playing with the best quarterback he's probably
played with in his career.
Where do you have DJ Moore ranked next year?
Shoot, man.
I mean, this is interesting.
There's already two other guys on that team.
So it's interesting to see where the target share is going to go.
It's also interesting because they do have running backs that they really like on that
team as well, I feel like.
So it's just interesting to see where all this, you know, snap share is going to go,
where all the target share is going to go as well.
I think you're probably, I think your assumption is right though.
I think that he probably will be around, you know, probably that top 20 wide receiver range.
I definitely just don't have an exact number right now this early into the season.
I think the big thing is you want to see what happens in the draft and you want to see the
players that they bring into the system.
Right.
So if they could get him or if they could get Justin Fields some help up front on the
line, I think that that would definitely help out everyone.
The running backs, Justin Fields and the wide receivers in tight ends.
So let's see what they do.
But yeah, if they can keep making some good moves, man, I think that that Bears team is
looking more and more like they could actually do something.
And it's not out of the realm of possibilities that they can even bring in a fucking wide
receiver.
Like who knows?
Yeah, they could get JSN.
We'll speak or I guess we'll wait and we'll see.
But speaking of, you know, young wide receivers, I want to talk about a couple of guys that
we have probably spent a little bit of time on these last couple of episodes, but I just
want to do a 1v1.
Jordan Addison and Quentin Johnston are two rookie receivers that have received a shit
ton of hype.
Both are kind of, you know, battling behind JSN as that consensus wide receiver too.
If you had to pick between the two, who would you take?
So it's getting hard.
It's getting more difficult to, you know, tear these two apart as far as where I'm ranking
them.
I feel like Jordan Addison is creeping up to my number two or at least being tied for
my number two.
I mean, at least a little bit more and more as the days come.
I just like his tape.
When I go back to what he's doing at Pitt, it does just look silky smooth.
And I mean, at the end of the day, he did still run a 4-4.
I know it's a 4-4-9, but it's still 4-4.
And I felt like when I first saw that, I felt like I over exaggerated.
But I mean, at the same time, I mean, you got to give props to Quentin Johnston.
I mean, he does have great size.
It's just when I'm looking at his tape, I mean, when we're watching it the other day,
like you pointed out and I mean, I've noticed it, but it does seem like he really goes up
and high points the ball.
Like it looks like he just...
As much as you'd like to see for someone.
Right.
Like he's naturally big.
He's naturally big.
I mean, he's going to be up above everyone to begin with.
But I mean, if you get one lanky safety in the NFL and you get someone who's just loosely
jumping up to get the ball, it's just interesting because that's just not the way...
He can go up and hop.
If we saw the count, man, he can do it.
That's just not the way he plays, though.
He's very similar to Drake London for me.
And if you all listened last season, if you are a long time listener to fantasy football
with Gumbo, you know that neither of us were really big on Drake London last year because
he was more so a jump ball receiver.
I mean, I'm not saying that's all he was limited to doing, but that was his specialty.
That was his, you know what I'm saying, the superpower that you relied on.
With Quinton Johnston and comparing him to Jordan Addison, Addison to me is the most
natural receiver.
Right?
Like he's a Blitnikov winner.
When he played with Pitt, he went over to USC and was just as if not more productive.
And he seemed like the most bulletproof prospect.
Like, y'all, he is my wide receiver one.
The only reason I'm putting him behind JSN for this conversation sake is because JSN
is the consensus fantasy communities wide receiver one.
But when I look at Jordan Addison, dog, he's a natural receiver.
I mean, he catches the ball well, he runs great routes, he's smooth off the line of
scrimmage and he does everything you expect to see from a receiver.
He does it all at damn near an elite level.
I know his 40 was a 449, so people were kind of freaking out about that.
But can you think about the fact that they were disappointed that he ran a 449?
He's one of those game speed guys.
He's going to be faster in the game than he is going to be in like a straight line, you
know, like a straight line dash.
And so he's a guy that I like a lot.
I think he has a ton of agility out of cuts.
He has great upside.
And he's my wide receiver one.
For this conversation's sake, I would take him above Quentin Johnston.
And I think that the NFL draft is going to reflect that as well.
Right now, him and JSN are kind of fighting for that spot as wide receiver one as far
as the NFL draft goes.
But speaking of rankings and speaking of young players, let's talk about these running back
ranks because these guys are also kind of in close competition.
So obviously, we have Bijan as the consensus RB1 within the fantasy community.
And Jameer Gibbs seems to occupy that RB2 spot.
But RB3 has been, you know, a place of a ton of debate.
There's tons of opinions on these players who could fill that RB3 role.
And two players I want to highlight today are going to be Devin A. Chain and Zach Charvenet.
So A. Chain, he's the agility guy.
He's the quick guy.
He's the guy who can go and get you 50 yard touchdown any moment of the game.
Meanwhile, Zach Charvenet is more of the, let's say, DeMarco Murray type of back.
Bruiserback.
He's a bruiserback.
He can run between the tackles.
He can run outside tackles.
He can catch the ball.
He does everything at a pretty good level.
Dugo, when it comes to these running backs, I mean, who do you prefer more between these
two of Devin A. Chain and Zach Charvenet?
Give me A. Chain, dog.
I just think that when you look at the two of them, I feel like A. Chain is the guy who
has something that you don't see in the NFL very often.
I mean, I can look at an NFL roster or I could go out and look at a free agency or whatever.
And there's a decent amount of running backs that are six foot, 210, could run a six or
a four six.
Like there's a lot of motherfuckers out there that can do stuff like that.
Like he is athletic.
Don't get me wrong, Zach Charvenet is athletic and I have been warming up to him more and
more.
But Devin A. Chain for sure would be the guy who I think is just more dynamic.
I think that he can do a little bit more.
He can be your start or he can be your part returner.
He can be your kick returner.
There's just so much more that I think that Devin A. Chain can do for a team.
I guess when you have to turn around and look at it yourself, I mean, I know that you like
Zach Charvenet.
I know that you like his profile, but I mean, does Devin A. Chain's agility take it over
the top for you or who do you got?
So I mean, if you guys have listened to episode 48 in which we kind of broke down some of
these running backs and tight ends, I told you that I thought Devin A. Chain had really
strong potential of being my RB3.
That episode dropped two weeks ago and over the last two weeks, I mean, some things have
changed.
I think I'm going to go with Zach Charvenet as my RB3 and I'm going to tell you why.
Zach Charvenet as a prospect catches the ball extremely well.
Zach Charvenet as a prospect runs the ball very well.
As much as Devin A. Chain is a great speedy explosive receiver, I cannot get over the
fact that Bro's only 5'9 and he weighs about 185, 190 pounds soaking wet.
I don't see any NFL coach, any NFL coordinator or any NFL offense centering their entire
offense around this guy.
I think that he can be a complimentary weapon.
I think that he can be an elite third down back, but I always think that he's going to
be someone's lightning to their thunder.
I think that very similarly to another smaller 5'9, 5'10 receiver like Aaron Jones, the organization
that he ends up with is going to continuously try to go and get a big bruiser back who they
can plug in at goal line, who they can plug in at third and one, third and two.
Well, I mean, I understand what you're saying, but I mean, if you watched any of his film
at Texas A&M, I mean, he was that guy though.
He would be that guy for Texas A&M against SEC teams.
So I mean, I feel like Devin A. Chain can do that.
And I mean, he's shown him more and more times that he can turn through some tackles.
So I don't see why this would be different.
I think that when you're, I feel like right now we're going through kind of a switch here
with the NFL.
Like we have these linebackers that are about like six foot can run four fours now.
Like it's pretty crazy.
But he's five nine.
Like he's three inches shorter than six feet.
I understand what you're saying, but I mean, he's also a lot quicker than those guys.
And I mean, there's just some things like I feel like this guy must squat like 400 pounds
because you think so.
Yo, this guy just runs through tackles.
Like it's it's crazy to me.
Like when I watch him play like Devin A. Chain, like it's crazy.
I watched his LSU game one night.
I know I've said this before, but that was the game to me that really defined this guy
as something special.
I mean, that was a shit ass Texas A&M team this year.
And he was at something special who beat an LSU team.
So my thing with Devin A. Chain is that if you compare him to other receivers around
his size, he's a running back, bro.
Or I'm sorry, if you compare Devin A. Chain to running backs relatively close to his size,
you're talking about guys like Aaron Jones, Austin Eckler and Alvin Kamara.
OK, those are three really great guys around his size.
Those are three really great guys who obviously have that elite upside.
But the common theme within their NFL career is that their respective teams always try
to pair them with another back.
No, I'm not saying Devin A. Chain won't be better than that other back.
But when I'm comparing him to a Zach Charbonneau, who's 6'1", 220, he's always going to be
kind of like the main guy.
Like he's always going to be trusted with those extra touches throughout a game.
I think that if a guy like Charbonneau is going to go ahead and see four to six extra
touches a game compared to A. Chain, he's going to have more opportunities to convert
those into touchdowns, which is where you kind of get that points boost and fantasy.
I mean, that's all speculation.
I mean, we don't even know where these guys are going to land yet.
And you already talked about how many snaps they're going to see per game.
I mean, I'm basically a little bit over the time.
I think that's a little bit over the top because I think that right now, I mean, Devin Charbonneau
could go somewhere and he could see fucking 15 more.
Devin Charbonneau or I'm sorry, Devin A. Chain could see like 15 more snaps and 15 more touches
more than Charbonneau sees in a game.
I mean, and then what are we talking about then?
You know, like it all depends on if one of them is a starter this year, because that's
obviously how we're going to rate these guys.
I mean, is that Charbonneau is a starter this year and Devin A. Chain isn't?
I mean, then I'm going to be a little pissed and that's OK.
But I mean, if it's the other way around, I mean, obviously I'm going to favor the other.
But I mean, as far as their profiles right now, just because like I said, I think that
Devin A. Chain gives you something special that you don't see.
I think that's why he's my guy.
Yeah.
And I take Zach because I think that he has the opportunity just to score more touchdowns.
He's going to get those goal line touches, whatever.
But that's a conversation that we'll continue to have throughout this offseason.
And if you guys listen, you know, we don't agree on shit.
So we'll see how this breaks down and we'll probably have to revisit this topic in the
future.
But to end this episode, we still want to talk about those guys who we ramped up or
who we hyped up, at least in the first minute of this podcast.
And those guys include Kendra Miller and they also include Sean Tucker and Tank Bixby.
Oh, we're going to go ahead and play a new game called Start Taxi and Cut, in which we
essentially rank three players.
And those will be our three players once again, and Kendra Miller, Sean Tucker and Tank Bixby.
So the theme of this game is to list the player that you would start.
You list the player that you would taxi.
So basically hold and looks the player who you would cut, essentially sell.
And of Kendra Miller, of Sean Tucker and of Tank Bixby, my personal buy is probably going
to be Kendra Miller.
I will spell it out for us.
Who you certain, who you taxing, who you talking about?
I'm going to start Kendra Miller because I think that he's 5'11".
He's over 200 pounds.
I know I keep referring to height and weight and I keep emphasizing how important that
is, but the reason that's important to me in this conversation is because I think that
he's the most likely to step into an RB1 role.
I think Kendra Miller is explosive.
He has great contact balance.
He scored 17 touchdowns on TCU, same offense that went to the national championship, even
though they lost to Georgia.
And I think that he's a guy who has been exceptional since he's been in the NCAA.
And I think that he probably sees no later than day two capital.
My taxi would be, I'm going to take a swing right here and I'm going to say Tank Bixby.
My taxi is going to be Tank Bixby simply because Auburn was a fucking terrible team last year
and that offense was shit.
Tank Bixby was lining up in Wildcat when the team was down 21 because they literally didn't
trust their quarterback to get them explosive plays.
And Tank Bixby is a guy who, you know, he's a track star in high school.
He was a five star recruit coming into the NCAA and he was more so a byproduct of a bad
team as opposed to just not being good at football.
I think Tank is going to be a dog.
I think that he's somebody that you can go and get in the second round and I think that
he'd be a steal.
I know Sean Tucker is a popular running back amongst a lot of people in the dynasty community
and I understand why.
He's explosive.
He catches passes well.
He played on Syracuse.
But when I look at his game tape and I actually watch a full game of Sean Tucker, I'm not
impressed with his consistency.
There's a lot of pass drops.
There's a lot of blown pass coverages or I'm sorry, there's a lot of blown pass blocking
assignments with him only being 5'9".
He just gets ran over by these elite or dank DNs and the outside linebackers.
And I kind of worry for him in terms of can he be a like a true Austin Eckler type in
which he's on the field the majority of the plays.
Like can they trust this guy to be consistent?
So to recap my start of these three would be I would start Kendre Miller.
I would taxi Tank Bixby and I would probably cut Sean Tucker.
Dugo, I know that was long but tell me what you think about these guys.
Yeah, no, I'll keep this short.
I mean I actually have the same order.
I would say the only thing that I would change up for me are not even change up but just
to add on.
For Tank Bixby, he's one of those guys that played in the SEC for three years.
So I just think that there's a lot of stuff that is just great about that.
He had two years back to back where he had double digit touchdowns so it just shows consistency.
He just missed 1000 yards this year by 30.
So I think that it's just something about this kid that he's consistent.
He is one of the bright spots on that team and was one of the bright spots on that team
and I think he's going to be one of those big exclamation points for a team down the
road.
It might take him a year to get up to the NFL speed.
I mean he did run a 4.5 which isn't terrible but it's just going to take him a little bit
to get adjusted I think.
At the end of the day though, 100%, I think that Kendre Miller, I mean he's just, there's
so much that you can like about that kid.
Same thing about Tank Bixby, not to shit on Sean Tucker or anything but at the end of
the day I just think that if you want a running back that can go out and pass catch and I
mean like he could probably run through the holes but I just, I would give the other two
more of a running ability rather, he probably has pass catching.
I'll give that to Sean Tucker but.
The other two have just higher initial upside.
And when I look at Sean Tucker, I mean he's over 200 pounds which is good but I ideally
see him as like a high octane third down running back on a good team.
I don't know if this is the type of guy who's going to see a ton of touches.
Obviously we can be wrong.
We don't know shit.
We're not drafting these players and putting them in positions to succeed.
But regardless, yeah Kendre Miller's probably the one.
Tank Bixby maybe the two even though I know Tank Bixby has been getting some heat on fantasy
Twitter.
And Sean Tucker, everyone's favorite sleeper.
We probably have as the third of those three.
And I have Sean Tucker pretty solidly outside of my top five as far as running backs go.
Right.
Alright and last but not least we want to go ahead and talk about rookie sleepers.
Guys that we think can make an impact that aren't getting as much noise.
So me and Dugo will both kind of give you guys a guy that we think you should look more
into.
And Dugo, let's start with you.
Yeah, so I guess someone that I think you should look a little bit more into.
I think so one of our friends actually suggested this guy to us and I did a little analysis
on him.
Looked into him a little bit more.
I had my speculations on him.
And that guy is A.T. Perry.
So he's a wide receiver out of Wake Forest.
Ultimately, I mean my first judgment on him was I didn't love the ACC as far as football
competition to start with.
But at the end of the day you just got to look at it from what it is and he does play
good football.
One thing I will say is a huge knock on him at least for me looking at him as a dynasty
player of any sort.
Right now he's just about 23 and a half years old.
And so by the start of the season he's going to be 24.
So at least to me that's just a little sus if I'm trying to draft him with any sort of
high capital.
But honestly at the end of the day the guy kind of just gives me Jalen Tovert vibes where
like he's pretty good.
Like he's pretty athletic.
He catches some really good balls.
Not the greatest team in the world so you know he's probably trying to elevate them
a little bit more than what's expected.
But as far as am I drafting this guy in like the third round or something?
Probably not.
I'm probably waiting until fourth or fifth in the rookie draft to draft this guy.
The anti-spot is going to be huge.
I mean he has a good profile.
He's like 6'2", 200 pounds or so.
So I mean he has a good frame.
Ran a 4-4.
I mean he has a lot of check marks.
My biggest thing is he's just pretty old as far as you know like was he just a take.
I don't want this to sound sus or anything but was he just taking advantage of the kids
out there on the field?
Oh shit.
You know being like a 24 year old out there you know when there's 18, 19 year olds.
I mean he's played what like 5 years more of football so.
I don't know man.
It just kind of sounds a little weird.
So at the end of the day I mean I like the guy.
I think he could be something alright.
Yo dude at the end of the day that's just kind of the way I look at it.
So what about you?
You got a secret for us?
I got Deuce Vaughn running back from Kansas State.
Deuce Vaughn had a pretty crazy year in 2022.
He ran for 1500 plus yards.
Had 9 touchdowns on the ground.
He had 3 touchdowns through the air.
And in his last 2 games in college he played against Alabama and TCU.
Who TCU I remind you was in the national championship.
What did he do in those games?
Well against Alabama he ran for 133 yards with a touchdown.
And against TCU he did it again.
He ran for 130 yards with a touchdown.
The guy was productive.
I know a lot of people hate him because of his size.
He's 5'6".
He's 176 which is why he kind of fell into the sleeper category.
Because folks ain't dressing 5'6 running backs bro.
But at the same time if he's available to you in your 5th round why not?
Take a shot on a running back bro.
Yeah no doubt.
If a team takes a shot on this guy to me he just absolutely spells out Darren Sprouls.
He looks like him a little bit.
He cuts like him.
He runs like him.
He catches like him.
There's a lot to like about him.
So I'm excited to see what happens with that guy man.
I really am.
If Deuce is available in the late 4th round or 5th round of your fantasy drafts why not?
Yeah take a stab at him.
I mean obviously it depends on who else is available.
But I mean yeah Deuce Bond definitely was one of those cats that I could look at drafting
with one of my last 5th round picks.
Hey love it.
Thank you guys for tuning in to another episode of Fantasy Football with Gumbo.
My name is John.
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