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You are now tuned into the greatest fantasy football podcast of all time.
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My name is Ja.
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Hey, it's Dugo over here.
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What's going on, folks?
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This is Fantasy Football with Gumbo.
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We are here with another episode for your head tops.
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We have now entered, you know, the 2023 off season.
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Shit's going crazy.
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We have free agency news all over the board today with it being the first day of free
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agency.
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Me and Dugo promised that we would go ahead and talk about some of these wide receivers
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and quarterbacks coming into the league as far as rookies and as far as how they can
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impact your fantasy teams.
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Okay, let's go.
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So today me and Dugo want to go ahead and discuss those quarterbacks and wide receivers
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that we did not get a chance to cover maybe as much last week.
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And we want to fill you guys with some new information, our personal opinions on a lot
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of these guys.
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And we want to lead you guys to another championship, another trophy under your belts.
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Yeah, kind of like how we did the deep dive on running backs and tight ends this week
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like Joss said, we're going to be focusing in on those possible dynasty leading quarterbacks,
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wide receivers, especially the sleeper wide receivers that, you know, me and Ja are coming
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across here because there's a lot of talk about how this class doesn't necessarily have
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the athletes that the previous years have.
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But they was Hayden.
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Yo, if you just look into it a little bit, there might not be the, you know, like the
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quality, like the top tier quality.
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But there's a lot of guys in this class that I think, you know, rival what last year's
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class might be.
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It might not be as deep overall, but nonetheless, I think that there are definitely some good
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wide receivers in this class.
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So I guess starting out, do you want to start with the quarterbacks?
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Well, they're getting the quarterbacks.
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So I feel like there's not as many prospects as you got in the wide receiver class.
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So let's go ahead and knock out these quarterbacks and let's talk about, I guess, you know, some
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of these guys like CJ Stroud, Bryce Young, Will Levis and Anthony Richardson.
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Dugo, I might have asked you this in a previous episode, but who is your current QB1 in this
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class?
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Just wondering.
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Yeah, man, I think I got to stick with CJ Stroud, man.
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I mean, CJ Stroud definitely gives me all the warm fuzzy feelings that you want to have
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when it comes to, you know, having a dynasty quarterback on your hands.
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Great size, great arm, great passer.
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I guess what is it about Bryce Young that makes it to where you don't have him as your
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one?
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Is it just the size and the physical stuff?
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It's a lot of the size issue for me just because, I mean, when it translates to the NFL, I mean,
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sure.
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I mean, he's 5'11", like 200 pounds.
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And I mean, a lot of the people that were at the combine who are like the experts, they're
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saying that he looked a little heavier than he usually played.
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So he's probably going to be like 190 when he gets back to like his, you know, like NFL
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shape or, you know, his shape.
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They're basically just implying that he put on weight for the combine.
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Exactly.
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So like that doesn't seem great to me.
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He also didn't throw out the combine, which I mean, that's whatever we've seen him win
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a Heisman and all this stuff.
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So you know, props to him for doing all that stuff.
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But the fact that CJ Stroud, I mean, he was a finalist for the Heisman two years in a
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row and he still went out there and threw it.
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He put on an absolute clinic.
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And I think that because of that, that's why his stock has blown up because, I mean, he
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went out there and he showed that he wasn't afraid to go throw the ball because that's
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what he's going to be doing for the next 18, 20 years.
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Audience, me and Dugo typically don't agree on a lot.
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You know that if you've listened to some previous episodes of Fantasy Football with
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Gumbo, I guess in terms of these quarterbacks coming into the draft class,
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CJ Stroud is also my QB one for fantasy and in real life.
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He has the size.
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He has the weight.
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He has the ability to, you know, throw the ball, whether it be deep, intermediate or
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short.
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He just kind of seems like the most bulletproof prospect.
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We know that Bryce Young is another guy who some people call the Steph Curry of this draft
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class, potentially the Steph Curry of the NFL.
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I think that when you're just talking about what's guaranteed, CJ Stroud feels guaranteed.
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When you talk about upside, guys like Bryce Young and Anthony Richardson might have that
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upside.
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When Bryce Young and Anthony Richardson, who would you place at QB too?
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Well, I mean, it depends on which upside you're looking for.
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I think at the end of the day, I would probably, in my humble opinion, I'm probably going Anthony
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Richardson.
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I mean, it's a size thing again when it comes to that.
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And also just the freakish ability to run a 4-4 at that size.
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I mean, if he falls into the right offense, I mean, there's no limit to what he can do.
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When he said that he thought he was a mix between, I think he said Michael Vick and
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Cam Newton, there's obviously shades of both ends of that.
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Imagine a 6-4 athlete that weighs 232 pounds who can run a 4-4.
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And he's the guy who touches the ball every play.
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That's Anthony Richardson.
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So I mean, just with all that said, and plus when he was throwing at the combine, he was
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honestly, he looked pretty good.
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He didn't look as good as Stroud, if I'm going to be completely honest.
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There was some of his stuff that, I mean, if you're listening to Daniel Jeremiah during
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that, he was talking about his footwork wasn't as pristine.
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He was talking about some of his throws weren't as great, but his deep balls were good.
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He knew how to throw the ball down there.
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Some of the times he might have screwed up by throwing a little too high there, saying,
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but nonetheless, I think that this guy has all the capabilities to be a dynasty quarterback
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going forward.
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And I think best case scenario, if people are saying that he might fall to the Seahawks
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possibly if he sits for a year behind Gino, I think that that would be possibly best case
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scenario because I think there is stuff that Anthony Richardson doesn't need to work on,
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but I think that his upside, it rivals what I think CJ Xtraw could be.
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And I think CJ stroud could be a multiple MVP winner, Super Bowl quarterback, all that stuff.
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I just call highly regard on holding CJ Xtraw wherever he goes.
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See and here's my thing is I'm going to disagree with you there and I'm going to put Bryce
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Young as my QB2 simply because I know that he's probably going to get that draft capital
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on which he's going to get opportunity after opportunity to succeed even if it doesn't
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work with the first team per se.
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Yeah, you're totally not wrong with that.
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I think that when you look at the prospect for what it is right now, I think that Bryce
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Young should be my QB2.
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But I'm looking at down the future what I think could happen.
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I just think when we're looking at a quarterback that is six foot, just under 200 pounds, I
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mean it just sounds like especially if you go to a place like the Texans for example
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where they don't have the best offensive line, that could just lead to a mess.
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I mean we've seen what happened in Miami with Tua and he's I mean kind of the same size.
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So I don't know, I just don't want to see history repeat itself.
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Yeah, like and here's the thing, like you would assume that somebody like Bryce Young
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would be a halfway decent rusher, right?
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No, he is and that's the thing, he is a decent rusher.
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He's good with his pocket presence.
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Like he has all the tools that he could possibly survive, but it's just the sheer fact that
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if you're doing that for 50 times a game, you're going to get hit.
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You're going to get hit a couple times.
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I like Anthony Richardson, but I'm going to put Bryce Young as my QB2.
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Especially damn near, he probably should be my QB1 if we're talking about just fantasy,
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only because he has more rushing upside than CJ Stroud does.
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I mean I don't know if I can say he has more rushing upside because I think that CJ Stroud
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also has the presence and the ability to run.
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I mean CJ Stroud is most well, like he didn't run a 40 or anything, but I think if he were
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to go run it, he'd probably be around that 4-6.
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See and when I look at Bryce Young, obviously he was projected to be the number one pick
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for a while and we'll get off a quarterback soon guys, but when I look at Bryce Young,
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it just seems as if he's the better quarterback at this moment in time compared to Anthony
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Richardson who's the better athlete.
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So I think that Bryce Young is going to be able to fill that role and be a starter somewhere
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for the next few years.
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And if that is the case and if he is a halfway decent rusher and he goes somewhere that has
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a couple weapons in store, even if he ends up in a Houston Texans uniform, he still has
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Brandon Cooks as of right now.
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He still has John meetchie coming back next year.
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He still has nico Collins who's a developing wide receiver.
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They agreed in terms of Robert Woods as well.
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They can also draft another guy in the second, third, fourth round.
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This isn't a top heavy draft class with wide receivers, but there's a lot of depth in there
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and you have the potential to hit on somebody who could be serviceable.
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I like Anthony Richardson as my QB3 and Will levis who's number four.
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I don't think I'm going to really fuck with Will like that.
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So for me, my top four right now would probably be, it would definitely be CJ Stroud.
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It would be a toss up between AR15 and Bryce Young and then Will Levis.
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A lot of people like to say that you have to give him his props because he almost has
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like the Josh Allen comp, but I don't really see much of that at all.
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When you look at him, he's coming out of school about three years later than what Josh Allen
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did.
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Josh Allen right now was like 26 years old.
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This guy's 23.
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So all those mistakes that Josh Allen made in his first couple of years to make sure
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that he understood what he was doing, I think that's what really helped him.
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And the fact that, I mean, he's playing on the SEC, which is good defenses.
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You got to give the SEC props, but I mean, it's not NFL.
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So the fact that he was a second year graduate transfer in Kentucky, I mean, it doesn't
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make me feel any better about his situation.
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Yeah.
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He likes that athleticism at the first.
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Well, he doesn't necessarily like that athleticism.
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I mean, when we're watching tape, you can see that he has the ability to kind of rush
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the ball.
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He can break some tackles, run through some guys, it seems like.
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But I mean, it's just the fact that he's going to be going into the draft probably around
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like 24 years old, or at least like, he'll be at least starting like his first NFL season
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around 24, which I mean, to me, I don't know.
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Like if I'm a fantasy player, when you think about how many contracts that he would be
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able to fulfill and if you have to think about how talented is he actually, to me, it just,
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it's almost a no go.
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I don't know.
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Like I'd give him possibly like a toss up for him and like, you know, maybe like the
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end of the third, start of the fourth round and like a rookie draft.
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Yeah.
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I don't hold Will Lovis to a high regard at all.
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Yeah, he's probably bottom of the ranks for me in terms of the top four of this quarterback
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class.
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Does he go in the top 10?
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Yeah, definitely.
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He has potential.
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But is he someone that I'm looking to draft and maybe in Super Flex, I'm taking him around
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the one six, one seven, just because he's a quarterback that might get to start somewhere
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for years.
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Bro.
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So like, this is the thing with the NFL is like everyone's so quarterback, like they're
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so, I'm sorry.
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They're so reliant on the quarterback and they want to make, like everyone wants to
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be the person who gets on the quarterback who makes this guy who was basically nothing
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or like he comes from a fucking college like Kentucky.
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And they want to be the person who's like, I drafted this guy and I took a chance on
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him.
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Like they want to be able to like, because quarterback is such a prevalent position,
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they want to be able to like be able to throw their balls on the table and say, Hey bitch,
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I took a chance on this guy.
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They all want to be Brandon Bean and draft Josh Allen.
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They do.
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And so I just feel like that's what people are doing.
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They've been doing this for since the start of the time.
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I mean, we saw the same shit with Pax and Lynch and I mean, you don't, not all these
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guys hit hardly any of these motherfuckers.
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And I just think that we'll love this.
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I mean, out of these three, he has the most likely in my opinion, to absolutely flop.
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Yeah.
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And they like even guys like Ozzy Newsome with the Ravens, he was a part of draft Lamar,
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you know, at the end of the first round and look at what Lamar is.
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He's an MVP quarterback when you do that as a GM, that's how you solidify a job for the
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rest of your life.
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So I commend them on taking the risk or taking the taking the shot.
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But when it comes to those quarterbacks, once again, just to reiterate, I got CJ Stroud
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as my one, I think so just do that.
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Oh, I thought you were taking Bryce one.
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No, no, I'm sticking with CJ Stroud as my QB one.
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I got Bryce Young.
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No, no, I got Bryce Young as my QB two, Anthony Richardson as my QB three, and Will Levis
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as my QB four for fantasy.
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What about you?
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Yeah, I guess just to close this out, I have CJ Stroud as my one.
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I would say it's a toss up between AR 15 and Bryce Young for the two spot.
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And then Will Levis, I mean, is my four just because of the draft capital he's going to
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be getting.
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So he's going to have an opportunity to start.
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And you know what, while we're on the topic of quarterbacks, today is the first day of
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free agency.
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We are recording this on March 13th.
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Some big moves that happened in terms of technically, it's the free agency tampering period and
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you can sign those contracts and put it on until Wednesday, you can put it on wax Wednesday.
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But when we talk about guys who have, you know, preemptively agreed to contracts as
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of Monday, you have someone like a Jimmy G who has now signed with the Raiders in the
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three year deal.
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Jimmy G is now going to be replacing Derek Carr as the quarterback for the Las Vegas
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Raiders.
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Some of the fantasy relevant players on the Raiders are guys like Devontae Adams, Hunter
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Infro and Josh Jacobs.
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Dugo, let me ask you first, what do you think of the Jimmy G signing and how does it affect
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a guy like Devontae Adams?
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Yeah, honestly, I mean, I knew he was going to be in the race for that, but I didn't think
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it was going to happen this soon.
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And I honestly, I assume that the Raiders were going to go all in and possibly trade
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up to get one of the top quarterbacks.
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So to me, this is kind of surprising.
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It seems like it's honestly more of like a lateral move.
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I don't see much more upside from Derek Carr to Jimmy G. Maybe he reduces the amount of
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mistakes.
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So that could possibly be something.
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But I mean, just like off of the first rip, if you guys are paying attention to Devontae
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Adams Instagram story, didn't seem like he was too happy from what I took from what those
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reaction was.
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So I don't know, man.
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I don't think that people are going to possibly be there.
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I think that Davante Adams might request a trade.
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I don't think that this is the guy that they wanted to get.
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So man, I think that that's kind of a toilet fire right now.
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Davante Adams even going to be a Raider next year.
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Yeah.
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So I'm a little confused right now with that whole team and its chemistry.
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We don't like to see that that happen the first day.
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So I mean, it is obviously the first day and it's only tampering, so it might not even
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go through.
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But the fact that your star wide receiver doesn't love his new quarterback, that's not
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a great look.
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So for reference in regards to what we're talking about, Devontae Adams after the signing
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of Jimmy Garoppolo and after, you know, the reported signings of Aaron Rogers to the Jets,
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Davante went on his Instagram and he posted one of those black background, white text
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pictures, you know, where it's dark.
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You go in there, you type something and he was hot.
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He was mad.
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He said, if we haven't talked in the last three weeks, don't hit me about this shit.
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Thanks.
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Well, so that's some disrespectful shit.
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Let's pull the curtain back a little bit because those allegations about Rogers going to the
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Jets that is.
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It's not true.
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Those are allegations as of as of March 13th at around 7 p.m. Central Time.
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Yeah, nothing been qualified on that yet.
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So let's not let's not be doing that.
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Yeah.
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But my man was hot.
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He went to Instagram about it.
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And then he sent me to Instagram about it and you're willing to be public.
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I don't know how that's going to sit with the organization and the incoming quarterback.
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So that's probably him shaking the tree, trying to get his way out.
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We'll see if it happens.
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But assuming that Devontae does stay in Las Vegas and Jimmy G obviously, you know, fulfills
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that contract.
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Do you have Devontae Adams as a top 10 receiver next year?
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I don't know.
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I mean, like, it's kind of tough to say just because, I mean, when has Jimmy G ever been
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able to solidify a wide receiver to be top 10?
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All of his offenses have seemed to be pretty run heavy.
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Debo Samuel.
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Was he a top 10 though?
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Yeah, Deebo two years ago.
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Deebo two years ago finished the season as the wide receiver three.
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Wow.
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But he had that rushing upside, which isn't like most receivers.
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So I mean, that's where that's what I was getting at was that was very much run heavy.
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In 2021, he scored eight rushing touchdowns and had 365 rushing yards, which most receivers
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don't have access to.
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Yeah, that's an extra.
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But as a receiver, he did have over 1400 yards.
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Okay, that's interesting.
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So I mean, possibly, man, I guess so.
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I guess you can't count him out.
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I mean, it is Davante Adams.
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And if it's quarterback with an arm that can at least throw the ball, you know, I think
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Davante Adams will ride with it.
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He's going to be a little pissed.
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Like I said, we don't know if he's going to be on the team, depending on what his attitude
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is.
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If there's anyone I love this for is Hunter Renfro.
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Oh, yeah.
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Someone who plays close to the line of scrimmage.
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He's going to get those intermediate passes.
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I think that this is going to be a great boost to his value.
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And when it comes to Josh Jacobs, he stays approximately where he is just because he
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had such a crazy year last year, guys.
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I mean, my man ended the year as one of the best running backs in fantasy.
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That was a one year sample size out of potentially maybe four to five.
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And I got Josh Jacobs probably around like RB tennis going into next year.
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But I think that this doesn't really do much of anything to his value.
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And then outside of Jimmy Garoppolo, we also had Derek Hargo to the Saints.
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Who's going to affect incoming, you know, incoming superstars like Chris Olave.
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You know, simply put, a good trade is a good trade is a good trade.
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Dugo Chris Olave had a pretty great year last year.
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I mean, he's a guy that we've been talking about since last season.
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We both are pretty high on coming into the draft.
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Do you think that Chris Olave can survive going through a QB transition and going from
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Andy Dalton to Derek Carr?
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Oh, yeah.
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I mean, I think honestly, I think this is an upgrade for him.
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Like, I think that Derek Carr is a good quarterback.
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I mean, I've been high on this guy since he came out of Fresno State.
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Okay.
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I think that he has all the ability that I think he just needs a change of scenery.
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I do too.
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And I think that he has all the ability to be a top 12 quarterback going forward.
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I mean, when you give him the weapons like Michael Thomas, if he can stay healthy, and
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if you give him a guy like Chris Olave and Jawan Johnson.
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And I mean, you know, like those are decent targets.
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And I mean, you can always go get guys.
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And what, who's your guy who you really like the fastest?
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Rashid Shaheed?
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Yeah.
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I mean, like when you give them guys like that, like it's starting to look like a decent
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core is starting to look like some guys you can build around.
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I love Rashid Shaheed for the Saints, y'all.
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He's a wide receiver.
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He kind of came onto the scene last year.
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I believe he was also a rookie.
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But one thing, one thing about Mickey Loomis and the Saints is that they draft really well
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and they typically are pretty good about drafting offensive talent.
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You have Michael Thomas on the roster under contract.
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Bro hasn't really played all that much in the last three seasons.
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So you don't know what you're getting out of that.
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But when you're talking about a new incoming, you know, crop of wide receivers, Chris Olave
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is a great one and Rashid Shaheed, somebody who's going kind of under value, it can make
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a really great three or, you know, a pretty good two.
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And so Rashid Shahid is somebody that I'm trading for because you saw what Derek Carr
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was able to do with Mack Hollins this year, who played somewhat of a similar role.
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You saw what he was able to do, you know, just throughout his career with guys like
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Amari Cooper and also his wide receiver twos.
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Wide receiver twos for the Raiders were relatively efficient for fantasy purposes over the last
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five or six years.
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Yeah, like you can go down the line, Michael Crabtree, all those guys like they all were
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fairly efficient with Derek Carr under under center.
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Yeah, I mean, like regardless of the regime that Derek Carr had with him, I mean, he always
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threw the ball around like 35, 40 times a game.
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Like, you know, he's going to get his throws out.
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Like he may not win you those big games, but Bro's going to toss the ball around and he'll
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complete 60, 65 percent of his passes.
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So if you have a receiver there, you know, it's the slight work, it's easy work and he
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has the potential to make an impact.
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But we want to go ahead and talk about receivers.
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We are now 20 minutes in, Dugo.
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I want to go ahead and kick it off with receivers.
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We're talking about who we both have as our wide receiver one and then we can move on
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from there.
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All right, sounds good.
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So I mean, my wide receiver one hasn't changed from last week when you asked me this.
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I got Jayson all the way.
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How about you, man?
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Who do you have as your one?
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Is this still Jasson or?
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My brain tells me that it should be JSN.
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OK.
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But my heart tells me Jordan Addison.
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Interesting.
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Can you tell me why?
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So my brain tells me Jaxson because of how he performed at the combine.
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OK.
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jaxson, you know, went into the combine and did basically everything but the 40.
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But he tested out pretty well.
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He tested in at six foot, 196 pounds.
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Jaxson had a vertical, I believe, of around 35 inches.
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And when he came in after doing the measurements, his BMI was around 26.6, which is that number
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that you kind of want to see your receivers around in terms of BMI.
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What is BMI exactly?
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So BMI is body mass index.
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BMI is essentially just a measurement that is compiled of your weight and your height.
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So it's one of the measurements, I guess, that's become like a lot more popular in the
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fantasy football community as of like the last few years.
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We've kind of seen that typically the elite receivers will measure somewhere around 26
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to 27 in terms of body mass index.
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But after testing all those things, JSN came in and he was somebody who was really
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impressive in terms of just pure metrics.
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I went out and I did a I guess I did like a wide receiver metric table.
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Like is compiled of height, weight, a receiver's 40 time if they ran it.
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We incorporated pass catching percentages in terms of how often they caught the ball
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when targeted.
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We added in vertical measurements and then we compiled their BMI's as well.
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And we compiled a formula to kind of rank, I guess, where all those things would stand
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in comparison to the class.
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You what?
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JSN came in top five, but not one or two or three.
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My list is compiled of Rashid Rice, Cedric Tillman, Xavier Hutchinson, Quentin Johnston
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and Jackson Smith Njigba.
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Jackson Smith Njigba came in fifth.
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He had pretty decent measurements, but he's a guy who played for a big name organization.
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He has shown the ability to be fairly consistent when he's on the field, but his primary concern
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is injury.
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Are you concerned about the injury aspects for Jasson going into the NFL?
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No, not really.
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I think that this year was more of like a lapse year, I feel like for JSN.
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I felt like he kind of proved what he needed to his sophomore year when, you know, he's
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obviously out on the field with Garrett Wilson, Chris Olave, but I felt like he really proved
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what he needed to that year.
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He probably went out in the draft and then he had just that lingering angle issue, which
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I mean, if you're a wide receiver with that high of value and you're thinking, I mean,
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like I could play on this, but like I could also re aggravate it and that is just more
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of an issue going into the combine and stuff.
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I felt like it was kind of a safe issue or I think it was kind of a safe thing for him
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to just be able to go out there and just do his thing and be able to just show that, hey,
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you're when I was a beast, I'm that guy.
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And I think that when we talk about what he would have ran as a 40, I think that his play
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speed is so much faster than what he would have ran at just a straight speed.
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I mean, his agility drills were out of this world when it comes to the rest of the people
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in his class.
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I think that he definitely did prove that he should be the one.
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I mean, when you ask what else can you really ask for a guy, like I said, who's going to
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be mainly a slot guy, but also plays at a faster speed when he is out on the field.
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I mean, other than that, like who would you say is after your one who's like your top
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five that you'd say right now?
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Do you have any like dark horses or anything like that?
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So the combine was really interesting because a lot of guys tested extremely well.
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I compiled like a metric table that, you know, composed of a bunch of different measurements
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from the combine and guys like Rashid Rice and Cedric Tillman were in my top five.
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Oh dude, I really like those guys.
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I mean, there's a lot of things that you can like about them, but I mean, just the size
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itself, I mean, they truly look like NFL wide receivers.
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00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:23,800
I feel like they are going to be people that are going to be, you know, like the possession
461
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:25,960
receivers probably from this class.
462
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:30,720
I mean, but I think that, I mean, when you look at Cedric Hillman, I mean, that guy damn
463
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,360
near looks like he could be like a DK MedCaf.
464
00:26:33,360 --> 00:26:34,360
He's huge.
465
00:26:34,360 --> 00:26:35,360
He is really big.
466
00:26:35,360 --> 00:26:40,160
I mean, he didn't run the fastest, he ran a four or five, but I mean, he's still like
467
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:41,160
that guy.
468
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:42,160
He's six three.
469
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:43,160
He's huge.
470
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,960
He can run any route that you want in the route tree.
471
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,840
I think that that guy is going to be a steal for a team.
472
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:54,960
So Cedric Tillman weighed in at a six three, two 13, and he had a 37 inch vertical, which
473
00:26:54,960 --> 00:27:00,200
ranks amongst one of the best in the wide receiver class.
474
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:05,280
So when you talk about BMI, not that you guys probably give a fuck about it, but it's
475
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,440
really good for Cedric Tillman.
476
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,880
And I have him or she writes Xavier Hutchinson, Quentin Johnston and Jason and some of my
477
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,520
top guys in terms of just combine metrics.
478
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,840
But when I look at Jason, he's solid.
479
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,440
He's my wide receiver, too.
480
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:23,080
I'm still sticking by my guns and I'm putting Jordan Addison as my wide receiver one, no
481
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,480
matter the combine performance.
482
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,840
If you watch the combine, he measured in at five 11, 173.
483
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:34,160
Jordan Addison, he ran almost a four or five with a four point four nine.
484
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,800
And his vertical is only 34 inches, which ranked, you know, more so in the middle of
485
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,440
the class.
486
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:47,680
Look, his metrics and numbers didn't come in as expected, but those have been his metrics
487
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,240
and numbers for the majority of the past three years in college.
488
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,520
This guy's a bullet in a cough winner.
489
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:59,600
He won the award in the NCAA as the best wide receiver in the nation while he was in Pittsburgh.
490
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,940
He is a guy who has been extremely productive.
491
00:28:02,940 --> 00:28:07,360
And when I'm looking at these guys who have been extremely productive, these combine measurements
492
00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:12,580
don't really mean all that much to me because these guys have been this fast or this slow.
493
00:28:12,580 --> 00:28:17,400
These guys have been this short or this thin for the majority of the past few years and
494
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,140
they still put up numbers.
495
00:28:19,140 --> 00:28:25,640
So at that point, like, I don't know what boost do you give them for just heart?
496
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,600
I love Jordan Addison as a prospect.
497
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,920
He reminds me of a Calvin Ridley type.
498
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,560
He damn near reminds me of Garret Wilson from last year, just in terms of size and kind
499
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:38,000
of being somewhat undersized, but still having the ability to outperform, you know, what
500
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,080
you would expect from him.
501
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,080
And I got Jordan Addison as my one.
502
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:46,480
I'm looking at my board and I have JSN and as my two.
503
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,600
Quinton Johnson is a really interesting prospect.
504
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:53,320
He's been climbing up my charts, but I'm going to put Zay Flowers as my three.
505
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,700
Zay Flowers is another guy who was undersized.
506
00:28:55,700 --> 00:28:59,640
But in the last three years, we've seen the trend in the NFL of these incoming receivers
507
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,800
coming in undersized and still performing.
508
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,400
Look at Devontae Smith.
509
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,100
Look at Brandon Ayuk.
510
00:29:06,100 --> 00:29:07,720
Look at Garrett Wilson.
511
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:09,600
Look at Chris Olave.
512
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:13,960
These guys aren't your prototypical 6'3", 2'15 receivers, but they're still doing their
513
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:14,960
job.
514
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:20,480
Dugo, if I'm being honest, I got Zay Flowers as my three.
515
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:25,240
I guess Quinton Johnston would be my four and I got Xavier Hutchinson as my five.
516
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:26,680
Somebody that I think is really going to impress.
517
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:32,720
I honestly, in my opinion, I have Flowers falling down my list further and further as
518
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:33,720
it goes.
519
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:34,720
Is it because of the combine?
520
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:35,720
It's somewhat of the combine.
521
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:36,720
I mean, just some of his measurements.
522
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:41,640
I mean, you put measurements at a higher guard and I think one of the biggest things for
523
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:48,040
wide receivers, I mean, granted, he can get separation just on his own because of his
524
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,320
legs and his skills.
525
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:55,800
But I think that overall, I mean, he has some of the shortest arms that were ever measured
526
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,960
at the NFL combine for a wide receiver.
527
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:04,080
That alone just gives me some sort of uneasy feeling just because, I mean, when you're
528
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:09,120
working in the slot and when you're working against these DBs that are a lot bigger than
529
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:13,120
you typically when you're, what, like 5'10"?
530
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:17,160
I mean, is this going to be one of those things where I feel like it's going to be a disadvantage
531
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:23,400
to take a risk on a guy who's already playing in these short, compact positions to say,
532
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:28,520
hey, you're going to also lose an extra 5' on your arms compared to this other guy that
533
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:29,520
we could get?
534
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:30,520
Yeah.
535
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:37,080
So I just feel like there's some sort of room for error when it comes to Zay Flowers.
536
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,200
I don't think I have him in my top five as of right now.
537
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,400
Who's your top five after JSN, I guess?
538
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,560
So after JSN, my number two is Quentin Johnson.
539
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,920
I just think that the prototypical size just takes him over the top for me.
540
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:51,800
Jalen Hyatt is my number three.
541
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,400
He was the Blitenokoff winner from this year.
542
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,640
Jordan Anderson right now is my four.
543
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,640
I mean, I just, I like his production.
544
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,840
He also, like Jahaia said, won the Bilitenokoff.
545
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:06,160
I think if he just gets into the right position, I think that he could get back to his ways
546
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:07,880
like he was at Pitt.
547
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,040
I think that going to use a C kind of hurt his stack.
548
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,760
I think that it wasn't necessarily the right fit.
549
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,200
And plus it was already a loaded wide receiver room there.
550
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:22,280
And number five I have right now, Josh Downs.
551
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:27,560
He's a slot receiver from University of North Carolina.
552
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,360
I just think that he's going to be one of those guys that we're going to be talking
553
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,040
about for the next eight years.
554
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,280
Can we talk about Kaishan Boudi?
555
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:41,080
Bro, we definitely can, but I just don't really think there's much to talk about.
556
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,880
And if there is, it's not anything really positive to say.
557
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,800
Is he a top five receiver from this draft class in your opinion?
558
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:47,800
No.
559
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:48,800
I agree.
560
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:53,400
I'm sick of going on Sleeper and doing these mock drafts for these rookies and seeing him
561
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:54,600
still going in the first.
562
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:58,800
Dude, he's projected to go borderline like 110-21.
563
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,840
Right, yeah, around that first round.
564
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:02,840
Yeah.
565
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,600
He just didn't run great.
566
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:09,520
He hasn't looked up to his hype that he had in high school when he was coming into college.
567
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:17,120
And when he looked at what he did at the combine, he didn't help himself at all.
568
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:18,120
He wasn't explosive.
569
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:19,600
Like I said, he ran pretty slow.
570
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,360
I think he ran like a 4-5 damn near.
571
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:26,400
I mean, it's not terrible, but I mean, when you're trying to get those prototypical wide
572
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:32,840
receivers, I mean, it just wasn't one of those guys that you're like, oh yeah, I want him.
573
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:37,040
You know, looking at this draft class, we talked about our top five and those are guys
574
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:38,560
that we're all going to be targeting.
575
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:39,560
Right.
576
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:43,860
But let's say you have a few picks in the third round or the fourth round.
577
00:32:43,860 --> 00:32:46,800
Maybe you accumulated some depth during this draft process.
578
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:47,800
Yeah.
579
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,840
Who's the wide receiver that you think is going to fall maybe to the third or the fourth
580
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:55,560
or the fifth round that could actually put up real NFL numbers and be, I guess, like
581
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:56,880
somewhat of a sleeper this year?
582
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,120
So I mean, I have a couple of guys like that.
583
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:03,080
Like we're saying at the beginning of the program, there's a lot of people that I think
584
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,000
are just absolutely slept on.
585
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:10,520
I guess there's two people that come to mind or three people, but two people that I would
586
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,680
like to talk about if you have anyone else afterwards.
587
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,360
Yeah, go for it.
588
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,800
I think Trey Palmer, he's one of my dark horses.
589
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:18,800
He's six.
590
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:20,240
Don't know a shit about Trey Palmer.
591
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,240
Bro, this guy's honestly pretty fucking decent.
592
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,800
I mean, he went to LSU.
593
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,480
He was a five star, I think, recruit there or something like that.
594
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:30,900
Just didn't pan out.
595
00:33:30,900 --> 00:33:36,920
He went to Nebraska for this year, I believe, and then he only put up 71 catches for 143
596
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:41,520
yards or 1043 yards and nine touchdowns.
597
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:48,360
I mean, when I'm watching this guy, maybe he doesn't fit the size exactly, but he gives
598
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:49,960
me like Gabe Davis vibes.
599
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:50,960
Really?
600
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:51,960
That's your Gabe Davis comp.
601
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,160
I thought it'd be someone like a, maybe like a Cedric Tillman.
602
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,640
Doesn't he's taller, six three.
603
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,640
Maybe, but I just think that when I'm thinking about Cedric Tillman, I mean, I feel like
604
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,200
Cedric Tillman could be like a one.
605
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:09,360
I think that Trey Palmer, I think that he could just be an extremely good compliment
606
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,800
to an X out there.
607
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:17,400
But I mean, he ran the fastest 44 wide receiver in this combine.
608
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:21,400
I mean, he seems like a really good wide receiver.
609
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,560
It seems like he might be doing something out there.
610
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,800
I think he's also like six one, just about 200 pounds.
611
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,080
So I mean, he has some size against him as well.
612
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,680
So I like him a lot.
613
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:34,880
You're a big Marvin Mims fan too, right?
614
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:35,880
Yeah, yeah, dude.
615
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:37,480
I really like Marvin Mims as well.
616
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,640
I mean, there's some things that I don't love.
617
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:44,440
Like when I'm watching his tape, it seems like he always running fly routes or screens.
618
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:45,800
Yeah, that's not great.
619
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:50,960
And when you're watching all the reports, when you're reading all these analysis.
620
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:51,960
Don't love seeing that.
621
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,560
You see that there's some drop issues that are known.
622
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,160
And so that's not great either.
623
00:34:56,160 --> 00:35:04,400
But in this past year, he put up 40 or 54 catches, had 1083 yards and six touchdowns.
624
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:09,360
And I mean, he has so much separation when you're watching this film.
625
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:10,360
He has such a great dude.
626
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:14,840
He ran a four three eight in the combine, which is like one of the faster wide receiver
627
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,920
times at least in terms of the 40 yard dash.
628
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:18,880
He was a combine freak this year.
629
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:20,560
He absolutely was, man.
630
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:24,240
I really, really liked Marvin Mims.
631
00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:28,280
I think that he's definitely going to be one of those guys that go, I think he's probably
632
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:33,160
going to get drafted in like the third or fourth round in both the NFL draft and in
633
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,280
our rookie drafts.
634
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:39,400
And then lastly, one of my dark horses is Jonathan Mingo.
635
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:43,760
Oh, that's the one.
636
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,200
Yo, that's the one, ladies and gentlemen.
637
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,320
So this guy, he's from Ole Miss.
638
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,560
So another one was Ole Miss prospects.
639
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,760
You know, you can go down the list with those.
640
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:57,040
You know, you got the DK, Muddcast, AJ Brown that goes on.
641
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:58,680
But he looks fast on film, man.
642
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:04,760
And he has, you know, some of the greatest catches I think I've seen on film for a while.
643
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,280
One of the things that, you know, people are knocking for is his injury concerns.
644
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:12,760
He hasn't played a shit ton of games, but I think that he has everything that could
645
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,280
translate well to the NFL.
646
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:21,920
And when you're just looking at his body itself, the 6'1", 220 frame with an Ole Miss jersey,
647
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:27,560
I mean, it's hard to not or it's hard not to think that that guy might be AJ Brown.
648
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:31,120
So check me out every week we come in here and we give you guys some sort of fantasy
649
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:32,120
advice.
650
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:33,640
We go ahead and we talk about players that are performed.
651
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,160
We talk about the latest breaking news.
652
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,320
We talk about players who could be sleepers.
653
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:44,400
But when I look at Jonathan Mingo, he's someone that I'll admit, Duko kind of put me on to.
654
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,840
So in pre-production, we're looking at film.
655
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:47,960
We're like watching shit.
656
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,800
We're trying to get like a good analysis for you guys before we come on the mic.
657
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:56,220
And Jonathan Mingo looks like AJ Brown 2.0.
658
00:36:56,220 --> 00:36:59,920
I don't know how he's not getting more hype right now in the drive process because this
659
00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:01,540
film is amazing.
660
00:37:01,540 --> 00:37:04,120
This dude is bigger than most of the DB's.
661
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:09,160
He's 6'2", 220 and ran a 4 fucking 4.
662
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:13,080
You ran a 4'4 40 at that height and weight.
663
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:14,840
Yeah, that's some good size.
664
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:15,840
That is incredible.
665
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:16,840
That's not normal.
666
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,720
Like, I don't get like super excited, but that's not normal.
667
00:37:20,720 --> 00:37:25,760
And Jonathan Mingo played in Ole Miss, which is in the SEC, meaning he's playing NFL DB's.
668
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:31,160
Yeah, this guy's putting up plays against the Alabama's, the Georgia's, you know, this
669
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,440
can go on and on.
670
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:34,800
He makes fluid catches.
671
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,040
He has elite size.
672
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:37,840
He has elite speed.
673
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:44,520
He is not getting as much hype as he deserves and he could very easily, very fucking easily
674
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,720
be one of the top five wide receivers from this drive class.
675
00:37:47,720 --> 00:37:52,640
And if you haven't watched a Jonathan Mingo highlight tape, if you haven't heard of Jonathan
676
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:57,120
Mingo at any point in the college process, no matter what your devotion process is to
677
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:01,320
college scouting and NCAA, you are missing out.
678
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:02,320
This guy is spectacular.
679
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:07,840
Yeah, honestly, like if we didn't have like the expert analysis and stuff like that, and
680
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:12,240
if everything was just like based off of your own opinion, like I would have to put Jonathan
681
00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:16,120
Mingo in my top five and he would probably be drafted in the first round.
682
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,040
Bro, if it's me, he's in my top three.
683
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,680
I might have Jonathan Mingo in the same class that I have JSN and Jordan Addison in.
684
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:23,760
That's crazy.
685
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,000
That's how far I'm willing to go with it.
686
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:27,000
This dude is incredible.
687
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,880
If you have not watched tape, you need to go watch tape.
688
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,920
Guys, it's worth it.
689
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:33,440
I don't have enough words for it.
690
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:34,440
It's amazing.
691
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:43,880
But those are some of the wide receivers that we've been paying attention to that we obviously
692
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:47,240
have personal investments within.
693
00:38:47,240 --> 00:38:49,520
So thank you guys for tapping in with us.
694
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,160
This is fantasy football with gumbo.
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My name is John.
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Hey, it's do go.
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Appreciate y'all.
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Top it in with your head pups.
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We will be here every week.
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We will be dropping by Wednesday.
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The schedule is still a little bit fluid, but make sure you guys go down below and hit
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follow like our show.
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And anytime that we drop, you will be one of the first to know with notification through
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whatever your streaming platform is.
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If you guys have any questions for us, don't be afraid to hit us up on Twitter.
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You guys should already have the handle.
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But if you don't follow us at gumbo or just like a fancy football gumbo, we'll pop up
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in a bunch of places.
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But we love you guys.
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We'll talk to you next week.
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And until then, happy fishing.